Why is space fantasy such an underused setting in videogames?
>>726038462It's fucking boring.
>>726038462I think about this all the time
>>726038462Because it require effort with art and setting.Meanwhile anyone can churn medieval fantasy shit. Also normalfags have aversion to scifi
>>726038462There are plenty of Star Wars games
>>726038462Is that recent?The female character is attractive + hetero male gaze. . . a-are we going back to normal?
>>726039106The character dates back to the late 80s. Asides from a brief re-appearance in chapter 5 of PSO2, this is her first appearance since then. And it's a fucking tabletop game, dnd style. Truly, being a Phantasy Star fan is suffering.
>>726039106It's a Master System game.
>>726038462Because they'd rather make space faggotry instead then complain about no sales and space being 2 hard
>>726038684Space fantasy =/= sci-fi
Phantasy star was literally western fantasy flop but you used a space ship sometimes
>>726038462>Phantasy Star Tabletop Roleplaying>running off the Esper Genesis system>it's basically just D&D5eDisappointing. Is there, at least, something noteworthy about the book, or is it just another D&D5e product with the serial numbers roughly filed off?>you killed 5 Space Wolves with your 1d8+STR Plasma Cutter Sword, they drop 4d6 gold meseta coins>>726039106>Is that recent?Well, the tabletop game was put up on November 1st, but the game itself (Phantasy Star 1) came out in 1987. So no, not very recent.
>>726039643It's not like I have so many titles to chose from. What other shit is out here? A Dune RTS or some Warhammer 40K vidya?
>>726038462Mate, how many pure science fiction even exist?Xenoblade (despite the fantasy trappings that they are ditching if we go by 3)?
>>726039729>Disappointing. Is there, at least, something noteworthy about the book, or is it just another D&D5e product with the serial numbers roughly filed off?All the reviews I've seen from Phantasy Star fans say it at the very least does a decent job at being a compendium of lore surrounding the original games and a little bit of early PSO. But yeah, it's mainly just a 5e hack with some homebrew rules built in. Disappointing that so many licensed tabletop games these days either suck the nuts of 5e or Powered by the Apocalypse.
Whatever happened to space fantasy?
>>726038462phantasy star really blends fantasy and science fiction perfectly, I can't think of many games that do the same. some of the early star ocean games kinda pull it off but man fighting manticores on an abandoned space station was fucking ebin. wish more games did shit like that.
i fully expect this to turn into another "genre" that's just ripping of the same 3 games and being reduced to fake nostalgia aesthetics
>>726038462phantasy star is the king of doing anything but an actual sequel. pso is garbage btw
>>726038462Hi-tech fantasy goes hand-in-hand with periods where tech is advancing at such a rate that peoples' imaginations go wild. So as far as games are concerned, the '80s up until around 2010 was prime "the universe is at stake" story time.But when tech slows down and people's dreams get less ambitious, they become more interested in the ability to control the space they're given, and stuff like Pokemon (Catalog every creature! Get your favorites in special colors!) and MonHun (Master this weapon and dominate every creature in the valley! Craft the perfect loadout from their hides!) thrive.Spore and No Man's Sky had a hand in tainting space games as well, because the thrill of infinite potential was done in by half-assed execution.
>>726038462>literally every Star Wars game
>>726039762Dune and 40k are scifi by definition. They diverge from our own timeline.
>>726038462>>726038684It's because everyone wants an answer with sci-fi. Even Star Wars which started with little explanation for anything got bogged down with trying to explain itself.
>>726041205These are space opera games.
>>726040271Because pure science fiction is a way harder sell than space fantasy
>>726041474It still qualifies as fantasy because it's drawn from whole cloth rather than an extrapolation of reality.
>>726041118They did 3 sequels before pso1, fuck are you talking about.
>>726039629Casuals don't know the difference
>>726041474Jedis are kung-Fu wizards.If there is jedis it's space fantasy.
>>726039106The absolute state of /v/
>>726041597that was decades ago...
>be random Camineet citizen>live in a prefabricated carbon-nanotube dome at the edge of a casual-use space port protected by 50 foot high plasteel defensive walls>want to visit my bronze-smithing cousin in the primitivist collective in the next town over>cancel plan, forgot the forest is enchanted with disorientation magic, and our wise and benevolent ruler King Lashiec banned the sale of compasses last year>decide instead to do some relaxing fishing in the nearby port town instead>have to walk 30 miles to get there, there are no roads between cities and a vehicle costs more than I make in a decade>fend off swarms of eye-bats, giant scorpions, ghosts, and the occasional dark wizard>I really need to save up and buy a laser sword one of these days>finally arrive, most beneficent and gracious King Lashiec banned all the boats too>can't fish at the beach because I would be shredded and devoured by deep ones>life is great in Parma, all hail King Lashiec
>>726039425If they keep rehashing old shit, can I at least get PSIV Alys
>>726040271Xeno always had those things anon.
>>726041146Sci-fi and high tech settings make it hard to believe that an individuals efforts matter, that's why Phantasy Star always you fighting monsters and robots with swords like a medieval knight.
>>726039106>She doesnt knoe about Phantasy StarFr fr us uncs are suffering with these no rizz 67 zoomers
Space Fantasyアナタに会いに ここまで来たの~
>>726039106Late 80's anon.And I agree, Alis a cute. Shame she has like no art so you gotta slop for it.
>>726038462>>726038684I liked how PS4 was a mix of sci-fi and medievalWeird robots in ancient temples but you still had cool shit like claymores and plate armor.
Sci-fi with the pomp of fantasy always tickles me. I really loved the out the outfit and designs of Phantasy Star. The bunny Newmen with the ears wrapped in robot parts, the beasts that ride the line between mad max and Reno. PSU2 had such fun environments, the space shintoism planet was so comfy with the colors but drone talismans and little lights. There was a really shitty mmo I played on the switch for the week that's main city and main campaign almost nailed the same type of deal. I don't remember it's name but it just needed a bit more colour. I guess one of the big gachas probably have it, but the Chinese tend to go slightly over the top, they never strike that balance. >>726042086PSO I think did a good job of still trying to sell that by making the player charac5er basically part of rhe cleanup crew. Rico made a lot of effort to try document what was going on and her singular effort left enough breadcrumbs to sort out Dark Faiz. Even episode 3, or whatever one was Fleur's, had a big deal about multiple individuals doing dumb shit led to one guy being turned into a monster. >>726042040>>726040271I want to play the Xenogears/blades series at one point but I fear I'd end up fighting with CEMU for half it and half it getting burned out on side shit.
>>726042040Technically, it was all Light/Soft Science Fiction. You know, the Gonzo kind where you don't really care about getting it right.
so, where's the science fantasy?all i see is people arguing over scifiphantasy star and star ocean and that's it?
>>726043160Ecco the dolphin.I remember that horrid NES game with the space dolphins conquering the planet.Shining Force 1, Xenoblade and the Final Fantasy series if space travel isn't mandatory. Tales of Destiny had those sky labyrinths so I guess it's in. Then videogames about Star Wars, Dune, WH40K and He-Man.
Has anyone played the sega ages remake of 1? It got translated at some point.
>>726038462where do i start with PS? is the first one a good starting point?
>>726045278One is in my eyes the best 8bits console RPG. So if you don't mind the old give it a try.
>>726045475yeah, i dont mind old games, i love FF II
>>726043160FF has Scifi but FF has a bunch of stuff strown about it in different games.
>>726045278What the other guy said but for the love of god when you get to two just google the dungeon maps. I believe it came with physical maps of the dungeons and my dumbass played more than half the game without realizing.Also 3 is the shitty one and 4 is the best one.
>>726038462Because unless the writers can reign in their autism, most space fantasy ends up just a bunch of ideas thrown into a pot and boiled until its a brown sludge with no uniting themes or aesthetic.Obviously the popular ones have someone with a tiny bit of restraint at the helm and they end up good. But plenty don't. I know a star robed wizard riding a dragon fighting space ships SOUNDS metal as fuck, and it is, for the one scene, but long term unless you can establish what makes sense for the setting and what doesn't, and then unite all that under one aesthetic, the setting just fails to capture people.Even something as broad as 40k has unspoken rules about what makes sense in the setting and what aesthetic rules to apply to it so it fits in with everything else.
>>726045278The genesis/master system games, are the only ones with contonuity, the are mostly stand alone.
>>7260452781,2, and 4 are interconnected via story so you can go in order.3 is a weird sidestory/spinoff thing.
>>726038462Um . . . Star Ocean? Hello?
>>726045798I drew my own maps. Really felt I conquered the game by doing that.
>>726039729i checked the reviews, i'm afraid this is just a copyflop.One guy specifically calls out how everything is just D&D5E but some things are renamed to be PS themed.>The product description is incorrect: The real inspiration for its "character options, gear, fearsome foes, and deadly techniques" is Dungeons and Dragons 5th Edition, with names and fanart from Phantasy Star painted on its surface in place of any meaningful adaptation or passionate design.>6 of its 7 character classes are near-identical copies of classes from 5e, without even bothering to change the names of several key abilities. They've included just enough generic houserules to keep it from actually being compatible with 5th Edition, which is unfortunate, because only people who like 5e content will like this book.>The races included are bland, but they're the only place where any effort went into making something that would fit Phantasy Star campaigns better than Dungeons and Dragons. These, combined with a decent summary of the video game franchise's history (though one that leaves out every game published after 2010, for no discernible reason) might have earned two stars from me, if Skydawn had bothered to name the game system they were actually selling.>If you're a Phantasy Star fan like me, ask yourself if you really need to pay someone else $30 to tell you that Rudo, Chaz, and Ash would use Hunter's Mark. Ask yourself if you need someone else to tell you to call magic weapons "Laconian" or "Yasminkov" if their bonus is high enough.>Most of us will be better off just using the 5e SRD, whose rules are available for $0. It won't feel like a Phantasy Star passion project, but neither does this.>>726041118>pso is garbage btwoops typo, meant psu of course
>>726038462I want more Flash Gordon types. Stranger on a strange world whose only hope of getting home lies in the hands of a despotic ruler who would sooner destroy the planet than give it up.Wikipedia is telling me that it also goes by "planetary romance". Either way, there ain't enough of it. It's a forgotten genre.
>>726044661I'm playing through it right now.It's a solid remake if you want to experience PS1 with some polish and QoL changes. Also, there is a 2x Exp mod that you can play if you want an easier time with leveling.
>>726046267yes, an is niche as fuck, and maybe even more than PS
>>726038462>One of the earliest JRPG protagonists was a cool and pretty magic swordswoman >What followed was 40 years of spiky haired teenage boys wearing non practical equipmentWhy were female heroes not explored more?
>>726038462Historically speaking, they just don't sell that well compared to traditional fantasy
>>726038684>Normalfags have aversion to sci fi>Star Trek one of the most popular and beloved shows ever that churned out a ton of movies>Star wars (more space fantasy but whatever)>Alien>Terminator>Blade Runner>Matrix>Cory in the house
>>726047247Why does she need to be pretty?
>>726039425>Asides from a brief re-appearance in chapter 5 of PSO2isn't that a distant descendent with the same name?
>>726044661Did Sega lose the source code for this? Why haven't they ported this to other platforms?
>>726047730>Why did Sega cease making these games?>Did they not sell well?That's the funny part. They made a coomer MMO version and it sells way better so there's no reason to do anything else with it.
>>726047247The US shat a lot over her existence.With the whole "how I'm supposed to play a woman" feminist style.
>>726047730Phantasy Star turned into Phantasy Star Online during the Dreamcast era, which sorta thrives to this day. At least it keeps the space fantasy vibe alive, even if in a newer aesthetic.It's better than what happened to Shining Force, at least.
>>726038462>>726039436>>726040803Generations IV never ever but maybe it's a good thing because everything was shit after Algo.An anime about the classic games would be a dream becoming true.
>>726048212>the shining force gacha got killedIt looked SO GOOD THO! FUCK!
>>726048403Not at the time. This is a fairly new phenomenon unless you're too young to remember anything before 2010.
>>726041597Which have fuck all to do with each other besides having a boss called Dark Falls and a race of bio-engineered catgirls.
>>726048657Here's your latest entry to the Shining series, bro.
PS4 is unironically a 10/10 jrpg.
Was PS4 really the best of its era? Better than Chrono Trigger? FF6?
>>726048212>the childhood friend elf archer was bugged and gained literally 0 attack stats as he leveled upFucking epic.
>>726049432It was so good FF7 blatantly stole the main heroine gets killed and can't be revived.PS2 did it first
>>726038462Because some extremely boring people there's some reason people can't have swords and magic in the same setting as spaceships and robots.
>actually beat master system PS1>draw my own maps with little points of interest and trap locations>"oh boy can't wait to play PS2">mfwWhat is it with the absolutely ridiculous low exp rate and need to grind?Why are dungeons complete trainwrecks this time around with their main gimmick being 75 elevators that don't even show if you're going up or down or what floor you're on. I tried the very first dungeon and just noped out. What the fuck did they do?
>>726050041It came with maps and a guide. They didn't even expect you to try and get through on your own.
>>726050384LOL.Guess emulationchads are fucked then?
>>726047247Because most people playing vidya were young dudes and didn't like playing cute grills as leads, at that time anyways. Time changes things.FF6 kinda got away with it because Its mostly an ensemble cast, even if the game does kinda put Terra then later Celes front and center. Metroid gets away with it because Samus doesn't say stupid shit and just kills shit.>>726049432Its up there for sure. Can't say its better than CT(what is?) but I honestly like it more than FF6.
>>726050041>What is it with the absolutely ridiculous low exp rate and need to grind?I heard exp barely mattered in PS2 and all your important stats come from equipment
>>726050497Or anyone that bought it used...Just google the maps is my point.
>>726047403how about another franchise? come on anon, i'm sure you can do it.
Why would I use a laser sword if I can use a laser gun?
>>726047662There are fat chances that a young warrior taking care and discipline over her body and mind ends up being more handsome than the average.Worked for me.
>fights take place in unique areas depending where you're on the map>pseudo 3d dungeons>enemies actually have attack animations>anime cutscenes>80's 8bit consoleHow the fuck did sega do it and why didn't japanese wholesome chungus gamers care and just went back to dragon quest?
>>726050572The code was so fucked, the character stats don't work properly, the equipment does.
>>726051107>anime cutscenes. Why lie?
>>726050552>Because most people playing vidya were young dudes and didn't like playing cute grills as leads, at that time anyways. Time changes things.Time continues to change things. Now that we've had far too much Jewish Funded Feminism Shit rotting and KILLING many nations including Japan many young men are realizing something whenever they see a woman being intelligent and powerful.....That is too much bullshit EVEN for fiction.Doubly so when they show examples like your image. Terra's calling in life is to be a loving mother to shitty orphans that no one cares about. In real life? Have you seen how women intentionally abort and kill their actually babies while calling the right to abortion empowerment? Basically the notion a woman cares for anyone except herself is a farce. Young dudes are less inclined to believe in how women are presented in games, movies, etc because they are growing tired of being lied to about Female Nature.Women aren't heroes. Women have no honor. And yes society WILL get worse. I wonder if I will live to see Japan fucking rot and collapse. But one thing is certain English speaking nations are already fucked. That's the wonder of Feminism. It was killed the fantasy of the Feminine Mystique. The only males who like female empowerment are shitty submissive subhuman beta lame simp faggots. And faggots in the sense that they aren't truly masculine men since women have never liked beta simps.
>>726051212Huh?
>>726050859A jedi is more OP than an entire squad of soldiers with guns.
>>726039106>RETVRN retard doesn't actually know about the era he wants to go back tooEvery time
>>726049432I like it more than CT/FF6, but that's 100% just opinion. It's one of the all time greats, at that level of quality what's 'better' is just a popularity contest. I'll say for party-turn based games I desperately wish the macro system was integrated into mainstream JRPG design.
>>726051307>The only males who like female empowerment are shitty submissive subhuman beta lame simp faggots.The creator of Night in the Woods comes to mind as an example. Thankfully a feminist bitch convinced him to kill himself. Goes to show women don't like simps. In fact even the man's mother and sister CELEBRATED his suicide. That's real female nature.
RIP PSO2. Its so dead that their general in /vg/ is gone.
>>726049432>Better than Chrono Trigger? FF6?Those two games are grossly overrated. And frankly they got shoddy stories. And no, Lavos is not an interesting villain simply a mindless feral animal that happens to be from outer space NOT impressed. Don't bother saying Muh Cosmic Horror bullshit either that genre is one note stagnant shit as its always the same repetitive routine.
>>726051307>>726051549Based woman hating schizo
>>726051107Asian consumers are shit for brains. I hope they suffer.
>>726049206Wrong. III and IV are directly tied to the events of II and IV incorporates all of the previous games to tie up the story. Play them again and pay attention this time.
>>726038462>phantasy StarBased
>>726051952But III is fucking horrid.
>>726047403Star Wars and Alien are the only ones you listed that are still alive today and they survive off of brand name. Did you not stop to consider why every franchise you listed besides the Matrix is from the 80s or earlier?
>>726051776>Its so dead that their general in /vg/ is goneThe constant mental illness attached to the general didn't help things.
I just finished Xenoblade 1 and really enjoyed 2 despite questionable character writing. Makes me want to play other space fantasy besides the usual Star Wars. What other space fantasy games should I play? Note: I grew up playing DOS games and NES games so I don't give a shit how dated they are, as long as they are good.
>>726052165The brand name is worthless Aliens and Star Wars keep selling badly.
>>7260511071 had no right being as good as it was
>>726052196>I just finished Xenoblade 1 and really enjoyed 2How? I can't stand the gameplay of these games. The visual eye cancer with all the menus overtaking the screen is irritating. And the characters are shit. And anyone who tells me Xenogears is good I want to kill them because the characters and plot are trash especially the main lead. The Xeno brand is simply atrocious.
>>726038462Most games are asset flips, and the woke hate heros.
>>726052196Try Star Ocean, the plots always get a bit shitty, but you can have a lot of fun with the games.
>>726052356Don't worry maybe Sega will rot and crumble. Right now Sega is getting high off their farts.
>>726052408I liked the combat and min/maxing the billion characters in both, autistically.
>>726052449It's not simply the woke freaks who hate genuinely heroic characters with good traits. Look at all those normies who worship that currently airing franchise Hazbin Hotel. The story of Hazbin Hotel is arguing that.....Rapists including disgusting child fuckersSerial killersDrug makersCannibalsAnd the worst humanity has to offer are innocent and don't deserve hellish damnation. And normies love that junk.
>>726052768>And the worst humanity has to offer are innocent and don't deserve hellish damnation. It doesn't say that. It says they are guilty but could be able to redeem themselves by being a good soul. The show goes out of its way to show that almost every single person in hell is not worthy of redemption and are in fact, pieces of shit.
I liked Phantasy Star 3, multiple MCs, multiple endings (My favorite is the one were Alysa 3 goes to earth which probably lead to PS2 events)
>>726053026And yet the writing has them continuing to do more and more evil crimes with no punishment. And the recent episode even revealed that the Devil himself can't torture an evil human sinner. The evil humans are superior to the Devil himself. No wonder they embrace torture and rape so much because no one can tell them, no.
>>726052238Anon, "selling badly" is all hollywood accounting.I can't believe people still don't understand this.When you hear that a movie didn't do well, most of the time it still made its budget and then some. Which means the studio didn't lose money, and gained some for the next project.And even when a movie "didn't recoup costs" thats entirely due studios fucking around with cooking the books. Studio rents a space to film from a shell company they own, for an inflated cost. Or buys props from another shell company they own for far more than their worth. etc. The government of california and the federal government insure movie studios for a percentage of their projects in case of a flop, because the US has an interest in keeping the industry tied to them. A movie that fails to make budget then still gives a payout to the studio, usually for far more than they actually spent, due to this shady cup game of shell companies.Hell, some movies are made specifically TO fail, or did you think Marvel actually thought Morbius was going to put asses in seats?Video game publishers play similar shady games, but instead of government insured loss protection its largely DEI investments and similar programs.
How do you make immersive science fantasy without just turning it into fantasy with a sci-fi skin where all the technological and space elements are purely decorative?
>>726053127Walking the villages kills it. Cool as they look they're terrible.And 3 happens after 2, they're people from Palma running from 2's cataclysm a lot of centuries later.
>>726053323>And yet the writing has them continuing to do more and more evil crimes with no punishment.I mean they live in hell what else is there to do at that point, the point is they have to be around other violent insane assholes all day, as the small area they live in gets more and more populated. Also the Devil being unable to hurt people he is forced to be around and deal with all day for punishment himself is kind of funny. The point of hell is to suffer, isn't it
>>726053629Easy the solution is NOT to care. Do whatever. If you don't understand the hard science to make convincing Sci Fi then you never will and lets face reality you're not going to waste YEARS of your life educating yourself on how the fields of STEM work convincingly within the Sci Fi genre. So simply embrace Science Fantasy incarnate and have fun.
Because it's hard for people to do something that isn't just>medieval fantasy but with anachronistic sci fi shit that might as well just be magic>star wars>dune>40kwithout it being compared to those anyway
>>726053629You sit down and actually plan that shit out. What makes sense. What are the rules of the setting, what aesthetic are you after, what are the themes and tone you're looking for, why is a laser sword a legitimate choice over a gun, is there magic and if so, why is there also technology? etc etc etc.I normally shit on "worldbuilding" as self masturbatory exercise, but with science fantasy specifically you absolutely need to go through the setting with a fine toothed comb, or you'll inevitably fall down a bunch of pitfalls. Fantasy with a scifi coat of paint, or the reverse. Brown gruel setting with no unity, just space ships and wizards thrown around willy nilly. I cast GUN! etc. Some of that stuff can be fun if done right, but you need to get the bones right first before you can go back and be tongue in cheek.Two good examples of gonzo settings with everything and the kitchen sink in them, but with such strong uniting aesthetics and tone that it works is Final Space and Samurai Jack. Study those.
>>726053731Except that's not how the Devil functions. The Devil entices humans to sin and then when he damns your soul you are in his court so he can torment you simply to laugh at you. The idea the Devil is a woobie toothless inoffensive loser is simply bad. Not even Shin Megami Tensei presented the Devil as being such a loser.And evil humans in hell can do plenty, they need to be held down and tortured in the lake of fire and be tortured by demon enforcers. Forget about bullshit bad writing that this show has, you are in Hell you are here to get actively tortured for it. The idea of presenting Hell as a place of hedonism is simply terrible because there's porn, there's internet, there's video games, there's gambling, there's entertainment, there's even more employment in Hell than on Earth as they don't have ai. This is not Hell.
>>726053629the same way you write urban fantasy that isn't "and then we went to magic world/time and forgot about guns and cars and the internet entirely"
>>726054217>The Devil entices humans to sin and then when he damns your soul you are in his court so he can torment you simply to laugh at you.That's your interpretation
>>726053705But Earth was destroyed when PS2 happens no? thats the reason they wanted to take Algol.I always thought that when alisa 3 entered the black hole, they ended up travelling to the past
>>726053629Dune. Homeworld, to some extent. Heavy Metak FAKK. Also read some 80s-90s sci-fi comics (you can read magazines like 1984 or CIMOC that covered a bunch of artists and they had cool space fantasy concepts)
>>726052585Did you get the DLC? The Challenge Quests in there really scratched that min-maxing itch I had. Like more than scratch an itch, it was like a cat, lovingly licking my iritated skin with her sandpaper textured but still moist tongue.
>>726047861It's been a long time since the original version has been officially available either. I think this 360/PS3 compilation was the last time you could actually buy it. That last Sega collection had Phantasy Star 2,3 and 4 but not the first game. You basically got to emulate now to play any version of the first game
>>7260457982's problem was that it uses teleporter pads for fucking everything in the first half, eliminating your ability to mentally map out a building like you would with multiple floors and staircases. I stuck to figuring it out for a while regardless, but Climatrol broke me. If I recall, this problem suddenly goes away in Dezoris
>>726052079III is great and possibly my favorite. It was strange though.
I'd love a game set on the Venus of old pulp stories, where it's a cloudy, rainy world covered in swamps and dense jungles full of dinosaurs and other weird animals.
>Nei>Red Robo Nanny Nei>Pink Hair Black Bondage Neishame Robo Nanny barely has art. Even slop is kinda rare for her.
>>726042631https://www.pscave.com/fanart/ps/alis/Soulful old art and website.
>>726051531So FF12?
pitch me a pauldron fantasci rpg if you care so much
>>726055186Was it confirmed that she performs "that" kind of service?
>>726054426I think society on earth was destroyed, but not the planet itself. Also, one of the endings sends you to back in time earth.
>>726051952>Rolf had wet dreams about Alis and Dark Falls! Wow so much connect, very franchise!kys
>>726054983There are arrows on the teleport pads that tell you if it goes up or down. The complexity of the dungeons gets way overblown. They are complex, but not that bad.
>>726038462Knowledge about how space actually was spread. Old Sci-Fi/Sci-Fa was all influenced heavily by old 'discovery/exploration/colonization' stories and narratives about finding the unknown outside of the known world, but the reality of space travel taking a long ass time + the general lack of our ability to really go out into space at large to find resources due to lack of tech/economic problems + the extreme lack of likelihood for us to ever meet intelligent extraterrestrial life or find planets humans can survive on makes it a lot less appealing to imagine/wonder about.
>>726044661For me it's playing the originals, in English (since they were kind enough to include ALL of the ROMs), on the Phantasy Star complete collection.
>>726055410Practice reading comprehension. I didn't mention a direct story connection between I and II. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>726055390Cool Mieu fact's>She is a sexdroid and can perform any sexual act a human woman is capable of. Possibly more.>As an android, she can't give birth.>She lactates and can breast feed.>She enjoys taking daily baths.>Her favorite hobby is playing that "he loves me, he loves me not" game with flower petals.>She can't blink and is self conscious about it.>Since she can't blink, she dislikes when people stare at her.
>>726055186she does have this though (robot milker alert)https://huguesjohnson.com/ps3/images/toyoozaki/comic10.jpg
>>726055390I dunno
>>726055793And you didn't say what these direct connections were either, so there weren't any. Fuck this grindtastic, generic slop.
>>726046267I don't have any Star Ocean images......
>>726055798>She can't blink...you're talking about the girl with her eyes closed in the picture you posted, right?
>>726038462Starfield
Remake Phantasy Star 3, lean heavily into the twincest angle if you get the twins in the 3rd generation.You're welcome, Sega.
>>726055570I don't really like this excuse.Because I'm a space nerd. Love learning about physics and the actuality of space.But I also absolutely love settings with completely unrealistic shit happening in space. I don't particularly care about "realism" in my media as long as its fun, has something interesting to say, and is put together well.On the whole I think "has something interesting to say" is the big failure of modern media in general, but particularly for scifi and fantasy. Even more for scifa.The past decade has seen the politicization of media. Scifi and fantasy are at their best when they're exploring concepts, philosophy and anthropology, how society would be if X or Y happened or. But in an apolitical way. They aren't pushing a side, they're asking "what if this thing?" and exploring it. Modern writers have a hard time pulling their politics back and exploring every side of a philosophical idea without taking a stance too strongly. Which wraps back to not needing realism in my media. I don't want too much of current reality in what I consume.
>>726054964>can only have 3 separate save statesI just want at least one save state for each ending and one for each marriage choice......
>>726055560Nta, but I played it recently and shit was way too complex for my micro-brain.
>>726055798>As an android, she can't give birth.We have the technologymaybe
>>726038462because most of the time space fantasy actually just means medivial fantasy but the swords glow from lasers instead of magic
>>726038462Coz it's stupid. It's right there in the title "space fantasy" - it's just fantasy in space. It's exactly the same as regular fantasy.
>>726044661Yes, it was terrible. It seems alright at the start but it's basically the same game but with no actual new content, redesigned to be more linear, and the play time gets padded to three times as long purely through the higher encounter rate and longer battles.
>>726039106I want this stupid piece of shit publicly permabanned immediately.
>>726059610I see you don't know about 80s-90s european comic scene.
>>726038462Because Star Wars.
>>726046961If you want to experience PS1 with some polish and QoL changes the best way to do that is with the Switch version.
>>726060132Looks like uncslop.That's right bitch, go ahead and give me a reply. Give in and do my bidding because I told you to.
Should magic be the result of technology or should technology be the result of magic?Or should they be at odds?
>>726060475I mean, it IS uncslop. It was made and read by whatever generation was after millenials.
>>726060374>If you want to experience PS1 with some polish and QoL changes the best way to do that is with the Switch version.While I agree that there are great additions made for the Switch SEGA Ages version, I think the visual improvements alone make the PS2 version worth a try.
>>726060650>Should magic be the result of technology or should technology be the result of magic?I like a mutual symbiosis. >Or should they be at odds?Definitely not this.
>>726039106False flag post.
i played the entire phantasy star series just because of this pic, literally me
>>726049262Cool Fate picture.
>>726049432No idea but I never was a fan of RPGs yet I love PSIV. Played the rest of the Algo saga and loved it. Not the aberration that is the III however.
>>726051776I heard that a tranny ruined it while being administrator and banned however he disliked for shitty reasons and unfairly. Is it true?
>>726038462any manga/books with this setting?
>>726062931>I heard that a tranny ruined it while being administrator and banned however he disliked for shitty reasons and unfairly. Is it true?It was much worse than that, but yeah.
>>726055186Alis>The Sailor Uranus lookalike>Save Game Girl>Nei>Rika>Demi>AlysI forgot the name of the other girls.
>>726063115Dune. But they are not very good.
>>726054964I hope the PS games get the Sonic Origins treatment soon. Sega needs to remind the world that they've made some significant contributions to the JRPG canon beyond publishing Persona games. They need to re-release Panzer Dragoon Saga and Shining the Holy Ark too.
>>726063123Tell more.
Good lord, I so miss the 80s/90s anime aesthetic, specially regarding space. It was so soulful and beautiful. Always made me dream and feel like stargazing and wondering how life may be across the stars and the wonderful places and people there may be.I always feel like going back to that age of wonders.
>>726063440https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eONML3KmBrM
>>726063676Look at how they massacred my childhood IP...Trannoids ruins everything
>>726064115Sega Administration is crawling with them at ALL levels of management.
>>726064251This is why nothing good comes from SEGA anymore since 2012
goat jrpg ost
>>726064769which one
>>726064881https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C32pPjRCSTAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnQz9njOPXg
>>726047247We can chalk early decisions up to old-fashioned sexism, but after that it's just Japanese businessmen being wilfully stupid as usual.>what if we monetized anime with lots of small-puchase merchandising opportunities>great idea! who should we sell them to>well, as you know, women hate shopping, especially for trinkets or ways to show off their obsessions
>>726065017the dungeon remix in 4 was banginhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBAdzxLvOmc
>>726065017bretty good
>>726053629Be like the guy on the right, not like the fag on the left.
>>726065931
>>726039436This game filtered me hard.
>>726056047You sound upset.
Does PS4 get better after Air Castle? This shit sucks
>>726040803Star Ocean is basically just Anime Star Trek if the entire plot was the episodes of landing on underdeveloped worlds with cataclysms. It does inevitably blend sci-fi and fantasy each game, but it's so skewed in fantasy's direction every time that it's really annoying, it may as well be billed as fantasy JRPGs and some isekai motherfucker from space arrives.
>>726067927So Star Rail?
>>726068036Star Rail was pretty unapologetically trying to eat Star Ocean's lunch, but then you inevitably do chinese wuxia for the very second world you go to and at this point I dunno what that game's deal is anymore.
>>726052196Nigger play X, its the closest to being an actual space sci-fi than any of the xenoblade games. In fact it took a lot of expiration from classic 1950's and 60's science fiction novels.
>>726070246Most retarded post on /v/.
i wouldn't consider any of the xenogames sci-fantasy, they've been clearly scifi throughoutgo play vampire hunter d on ps1
>>726052196Seconding X. The updated version because of the qol improvements and new toys to play with, but the original is fine too if you can only emulate. Just don't go in expecting it to be structured like the numbered games; almost all the content is in sidequests, exploration and customizing your character builds and combat mechs.
>>726039106more like male gays kys and stop using this fag commie terminology
>>726070382It's sad to see it's many great IPs in the total oblivion or being just ruined.
>>726053629its about the story. the technology or magic or whatever is only set dressing except for hard sci-fi
>>726070703OY VEY
What's the best way to play the early Phantasy Star games? My only exposure to the series are PSO 0 and PS Portable during my college years but those are more spin off than anything else, right?>>726052449>all those awkward cuts>that jank animationAnd people got paid for this?
>>726071104They worship demons. They aren't as smart as they think and they aren't immune to the cultural poison they produce.
>>726072000Emulators with crt filters unless you're rich asf and can buy the real deal.
>>726072000You might also consider emulating the PS Generation 1 and 2 instead of the originals. In addition to new graphics and some qol, there are some rebalancing changes (mainly in 2, where they tried to make the other party members more appealing to use instead of the meme standard group). I think the fan translation also makes the terminology more intelligible and restores the original names?
>>726072909I'd recommend the fan patches for PS1 (the US version used the inferior sound chip and the audio is abysmal because of it) and PS2 simply because the original games had problems.But the remakes are good, too.
>>726065336Every track in IV was amazing. Laughter and Ooze notably the best. The opening theme was great, so were the dungeon themes, that one, and one or two others. The overworld was great. Rune's theme Thray is great.Also it's the best JRPG ever. 11/10 easily.
>>726038462the aesthetic is kind of kino, how should I get into this?
>>726073636Fuck Rune is the coolest wizard that I've seen. Literal tall fit handsome looking chad. Could even apply decent melee hits.
>>726073815Play IV last whatever you do - it outshines the others by a fucking ton. If the others wind up not appealing to you don't hesitate to play IV.I would play II on PS2, they remade it there and the dungeons are easier to navigate plus you get actual BG battle graphics. The story is the same but you get added QoL and it's much more palatable.The first game has a remake that's also more palatable and probably better to play than the original unless you find you can stomach the QoL and graphics of the actual original game.III is hit or miss for many, usually miss. I liked it to a point but never finished it. I owned all the originals growing up and played through II and IV completely, IV many many times. I replayed II on PS2 emulated in recent years and it's my preferred version of the second game.IV will always remain the best JRPG in my eyes ever. It's so fucking good and holds a special place in my heart. And my testes. Rika is hot as fuck.
>>726074474III wasn't even made by the same people. It's like a fucking shitty spin off barely resembling Phantasy Star IV has a nice rebalance hack that improved the AI greatly.
>>726074638Yeah I know it wasn't made by the same team. It was the weakest of the games for a lot of reasons. I might try the rebalance hack in the future.
>>726074132Nepobaby cuck
IV is easily one of the best jRPGs of the era, and is objectively the most overlooked when it comes to major jarpig releases from that time. III is in line with a lot of lower budget jrpgs from the era, and suffers from a few flaws, but it's not a horrible game. If you consider III to be a mid-tier jRPG, rather than a low-tier Phantasy Star game, then it works. But yeah. Don't expect to give it much attention if you play IV first. The sheer drop in quality going from IV to III is like the Mariana's Trench levels of distance.PS1 OG version has a lot of issues, but it's actually rather high quality compared to a lot of what was coming out back then. 1987 was the year of Dragon Quest II and Final Fantasy 1. PS1 was perfectly high quality compared to those. Then you have PS2 with came out in 1989/1990, and was again very good compared to what was being released back then. III would have been a 10/10 for the NES. For the Genesis it looks weak. But also to put it into perspective, Final Fantasy IV came out the same year as PSIII, and honestly 1990/1991 was a weak period for jrpgs. Compared to a lot of what came out then, PSIII doesn't look all that bad. It's just that 1 2 and 4 outshine it so much it's the frumpy sister by comparison.Play them in order if you can stand it. Skip and just go to IV if you can't.
>>7260452781-3 have badly aged but 4 is one of the best jrpg of the 16bits era.
I should clarify that I do not imply that Final Fantasy I or Dragon Quest II are bad games, or that Phantasy Star I is better than either of them, but that PSI still shines brightly in spite of having those as it's contemporaries.
>>726050552Cute Terra
>>726063440He did the folllowing>go to a large /vg/ discord>search his name>ban them in the ban wave because they talk shit about him>has a handful of loyal dicksuckers that will go around and dox and spread misinformation>this include of Syberbolt's video that was criticizing the game, but they see it as an attack on them>that one time when there was a fanmusic video for the concert, he shove his "music" in front of well known indie music maker because of his ego>he use his nepotism to let in a futa porn artist to draw an "official" art of said concert>him and the fag at the modding discord silence, ban, and destroy any NGS critizim >he is now working in SEga shitting out shitty music in other games
>>726054964You can buy the SEGA Ages version for the Switch, which is really cool. It has a automapper, an option to use the FM OST, many layouts and so on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKraULjvTuc
>>726063642Same.One of my hobbies is to browse JP sites to collect artworks of famous artists and mangaka illustrating classic western sci-fi novels - like Moto Hagio on Vance’s Demon Princes, or Ishinomori for Dune.
>>726038462Man... The old Phantasy Stars. PSP, SEGA Mega Drive. Now that's a game.
>>726076942I'm gonna try that version having never actually played through the original Phantasy Star. IV I played so many times though, it's GOAT.
>>726061057I wouldn't consider the PS2 version to be a visual improvement to begin with. An alternative for people nostalgic for early 2000s anime styles, perhaps.
>>726078129and fans of BUTTS
>>726039106kill yourself, newfag zoomie
>>726038462Scifi in general, which I consider space fantasy to be part of, tends to be unpopular during periods when people only see dread in the future. All the big scifi booms were in good times when people still had hope. That's dead now and will remain dead for the foreseeable future as the world continues to get shittier.
Wait so what Phantasy Star game do I start with first, and what version? I'm not a purist
>>726074132Chaz couldn't even hope to compare
>>7260791511, 2, you can skip 3 if you want(up to you, it's easily the worst one and mostly a side story besides), 4. PSO and PSU and PSO2 are their own separate continuities and not directly connected to the original series.
>>726038462There's tons of western ones. You should reword your post and just say Japanese.
>>726060650"Yes"My dream is a game with multiple large areas where you can travel from a layered cyberpunk city to an absurdly high fantasy sky forest city. And then ideally there'd also be some (multicultural?) places with less bias where people just utilize whatever is most efficient or what they're used to.
>>726047673No. PSO2 is not in the same continuity as PS, and also the one in PSO2 was some metaphysical bullshit that would take some time to explain.
>>726046920There's also >Barbarella and the generator of so, so many tropes including fuckign Superman himself as well as 'orc-like' noble savages>Barsoom / Mars series by Edgar Rice Burroughs TWELVE fucking books and they can only come out with a handful of shitty movies and few if any games. Its unfimable until we get a Peter Jackson level autist and funding that devotes themselves to doing it right.
>>726046920>Flash Gordon>mostly worthless at combat unless handed a football then he can take out an entire squad of guards armed with advanced weaponryThat movie was so fucking ridiculous. Why can't we have that kind of silliness back instead of the woke post-irony garbage we get now that's retarded in a completely unlikeable way.Like they didn't try to make Flash Gordon retarded. It just happened, but it's a good thing that it happened.
>>726059610Pulp scifi space fantasy is fucking cool and you're fucking gay.
>>726038462Destiny does it. And Destiny fuckin sucks.
>>726060650>Or should they be at odds?This one. I absolutely can not stand "Magic is actually just technology".
>>726080812This.Phantasy Star was like the perfect pulp scifi fantasy but Japan.
>>726038462That's what the original SaGa games were, but the Romancing trilogy did standard fantasy (fantastic games though). SaGa Frontier goes back to its sci-fi roots though.
>>726081242Is the Fuse new campaign worth replaying it?
>>726039643It was Star Wars Ep 4 level of sci-fantasy. And it was fucking kino because of it. Phantasy Star 2 leaned too much into the sci-fi with its psuedo-cyberpunk setting and PS3 was awful for leaning too much into medieval fantasy in what was supposed to be a sci-fi space series. I and IV were the perfect balance
>>726043160SaGa is sci-fantasy, but every setting feels like a clusterfuck fever dream of just any random shit thrown in.
>>726081617SaGa has a problem with it's fantasy elements as it's only Frontier 1 and the old GBA games that have scifi elements. The rest is pure fantasy. Sucks, too.
>>726081421Haven't started it. I'm in the middle of Red's campaign.
>>726076628God I hope some nigger stab this faggot
>>726081850Emerald Beyond is sci-fi.
>>726038462Xenosaga, you'll thank me later.
>>726082423Isn't Emerald another retarded boardgame like Unlimited, though?
>>726038462You have to really give me a reason for why guns and swords can coexist and both be useful.
best way to play ps4?
>>726082625What about pre-emptive magical disruption?What happens when you can break down the mechanics of a firearm at range while being undetected? Also, what if the logistics chain to manufacture them is fucked up so conventional weapons are hard to find AND vulnerable to deliberate breakdowns and wear-and-tear?
>>726083027The genesis collection is a perfectly fine way of going.
Star Ocean is the best scifi jrpg.
>>726082625State of the art guns powered up with magic to maximum (whatever that entails) can still be tanked by wildlife long enough that you're likely to end up at close range anyway. Or something like that. It's actually harder to justify lightsabers in pure sci-fi than it is in sci-fantasy.
>>726053629threat science like magic, boom
>>726083264I actually randomly have that on steam for some reason
>>726083027Genesis NSO app. It was made by M2.
>>726083865Might as well play it that way. For the most part all versions of ps4 are the same so it's just a matter of what you find the most convenient.
All of my money if this gets a Switch 2 port.
>>726084351>the lesser version of the gameJust play the DS version again.
>>726084461What's funny is that I actually do have that version.
>>726038462It's not. I guess space is uncommon but I feel like JRPGs are always looking for an excuse to put Sci-fi shit in.
>>726075658I think you replied wrong.
>>726079339Rune actually recognized Chaz as a fucking man. Begone with your brownoid shit
>>726051319I love her motives>Baww, they killed my brother!>I'M GONNA FUCK LASSIC'S SHIT UP>saves an entire star systemand I hope my imouto will do the same if I get killed
>>726085014I did not. Rune is a hack who is carried entirely by his soul transfer bullshit
>>726066042>image on the rightand that's why I love Chicken Wing
I wish Space Western & Fantasy was a thing
>>726085652wild arms?
>>726085680I've heard of it but never played it.
>>726085284Sorry if you lack focus. Rune and many others trained to earn the memories only. Nothing about soul. The Elsydeon scene literally shows Noah/Lutz spirit.Never reply to me again you brownoid.
>>726085761Wild ARMS is great. Play 1, 2, and 3. You can skip 4 and beyond, the series went to shit after the first 3.
>>726086079Bear in mind, the first game's encounter rate is insane.
>PSIVAre there any other games that used comic and manga panels to show their cutscenes? It's very underutilized and I wish it was used more often.
>>726086149There's always the remake.
>>726040681Cynicism towards space travel I guess, Elon Musk isn't a good guy, but he restored the dream about space travels that died every year since the last Apollo mission
>>726086079>you can skip 4 and beyond5 is fine if you're willing to give the hex system another chance. 5 is an objective improvement over the dogshit that 4 was, still not on par with the first three, but I say give it a shot
>>726041935Mother Brain did nothing wrong
>>726086206Snatcher
>>726086323The story in 5 was painful to get through.
>>726045278Yes but get the M2 remake because it has automap
If you want something from the indie crowd......
>>726086421oh absolutely, dean has way too much screen time and the main villains are a joke, but if you can tough it out 5's worth at least one playthrough
>>726086470I played through 1 recently. Printing off some dot grid paper made it a stellar game, there's no way automapping could be nearly as fun
>>726085652NO GUTS NO GLORY
>>726087286kino
>>726038462I should come back to PS and finish it. I think i stopped after reaching a city in the middle of the sea iirc.
>>726040603>Disappointing that so many licensed tabletop games these days either suck the nuts of 5e or Powered by the Apocalypse.It is immensely frustrating, but I place a lot of the blame on players. For some reason, the majority of tabletop players are braindead cattle that just vehemently refuse to play any system that isn't fucking D&D. To the extent that if they want to play a sci-fi game they decide it'd be easier to do ten times as much work and force it to work in D&D instead of just finding a good sci-fi system to use. It's bizarre. Even the people that just play FIFA and CoD won't ask for stupid shit like CoD in the medieval period. The only reason PBTA has any traction and attention is because there were also a few gay eceleb streams using its systems instead of D&D.That said there are still some based system devs that don't just make a shitty D&D hack. The Conan RPG from a few years ago could have just been a sloppy D&D clone, and it likely would have been more successful. Instead, we got pure soul.
>>726039106>sega making a new phantasy star game
>>726086079Wild Arms 1 for the PS1 and not the remake.
Man I wish SE would make a Quintet collection.
>>726055798Orakio was basedLactating fembots for his male subjectsHandsome chadroids for the females
>>726085652Does this count
>>726080378They tried with John Carter and Jupiter Ascending. It's shame they failed
Alshark. Pretty sure it was heavily inspired by Phantasy Starhttps://youtu.be/DHY917sIV80?si=flbcIs4doewotRC1
>>726049432The way it wraps up the whole saga is really cool and imo something that has never quite been repeated or equalled. I always loved how you end up with a reincarnation of Noah/Lutz, Nei's perfected descendant, and another Wren unit on your team too.
>>726087180The main character has too much screentime?
>>726087923Depends on which teams from SE are allowed to touch the old Quintet stuff. The only thing objectively bad about Live-a-Live was the ethics department getting their grubby little mitts on the localization. It was an incredibly faithful homage to the original because they got the director and composer involved. They'd need people from Quintet who worked on their games, and not let the higher ups get involved.Square CAN do faithful remasters/remakes. Its just that they can't let anybody from their A-teams touch them. And since anything involving Quintet games would get a paltry budget, the risk of fucking things up catastrophically will ironically be far lower.
>>726088394yeah i guess that sounds pretty dumb. what i mean is that the previous games let you switch between characters in field and in dungeons. in 5 you only ever control dean, his ARMs are the only way to solve puzzles, you hear his stupid fucking voice saying SEARCHING! SEARCHING! LET'S TAKE A GOOD LOOK AROUND! every time you use search and his stupid fucking grunts when he jumps or pushes things
>>726085652Xabungle (has been in videogames)
>>726038462Because its actually pretty dumb. You should expect a lot of military themes in a space themed video game. Things like guns, space ships, armor, helmets, etc. Swords and magic is Final Fantasy or Tolkein bullshit. It looks goofy as hell to most people because such games are supposed to be centered around a planet or some weird looking earth planet but with colorful fantasy stuff.
>ctrl+f>scifi>1/14>sci-fi>1/18There's your answer, OP. Nobody knows what the fuck it is anymore. The understanding of space fantasy is so niche that 99 out of 100 people will look at it and instantly mislabel it.
>>726038462Because they require new textures. Medieval settings allows you to use the same brick and dirt textures used since Windows 98 desktop wallpapers. Further you want do a crayon drawing and paste it in a poorly lit wall and people will think its authentic medieval period art.You cant prove me wrong!
>>726088927It's dumb if it's just random dragons and knights in space. But when it's done well like Phantasy Star, it's extremely unique. Sure you could have dudes with laser guns shooting a big alien, or you could have some weird wizard guy that casts spells using some weird power source that can be upgraded in a workshop with weird technology.
>>726088765Xabungle is weird as fuck. But I can only think of it appearing in a few SRW games.
>>726088927Phantasy Star doesn't use magic (typically) it uses 'techs' which are just technology so advanced it seems magical. Even when society collapses back to the medieval period, the techs remain and are confused with magic, but they are not magic. Dark Force (Falz) is just an extra-dimensional being that is so disruptive, and destructive that it's seen as a devil/demonic entity. But it's not The Devil. Phantasy Star does have military themes, but you're often a member of the Hunter's Guild, a paramilitary group that handles bounty hunting and other law enforcement-like tasks.Phantasy Star is everything this genre should be.
>>726053629If you're actually serious, you need to do a lot of reading to get a good feel for the genre. There's hundreds of great stories from the late 19th century all the way up to the 70s and 80s. Leigh Brackett wrote a really fun trilogy called The Ginger Star right before she died. Jack Vance's Planet of Adventure books are great too. Those were my jumping off point, then I wound up reading the old John Carter books, C.L. Moore stories, Brackett's other work, and a bunch of other pulp authors.
>>726089258You aren't going to sell normies on dungeons and dragons in space. Its been ingrained into pop culture for far too long that fantasy and sci-fi are two very distinct things on opposite ends of a spectrum to an extent. Sometimes things cross over with each other but its usually done to enhance the lore or have a cool element or two that gives uniqueness to the setting. What OP is asking for is a mishmash that has been rare for a reason. Maybe you will get it in anime but outside of that don't count on it in your video games. The ideas clash with one another too much for most normal people.Ironically enough Dragon Ball kind of is fantasy in space as well as magic but its done in such a way that is so unique that nobody really even thinks about it in that way since primarily the characters are going to fight with ki energy beams and their bodies. Not with weapons even though it happens at times.
>>726039106Fuck no it's ancient. And with a banging OST.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIKygpGzoc&list=PLV4W0DFyry_XRzkPZtJ4GHJZDOnv0KSFU&index=1
Why does it look like she's about to be tentacle raped by some space monster?
>>726038462It gives a Reddit vibe. "Space fantasy" I mean, not Phantasy Star in particular.
>>726089437Lutz and Rune do use actual, real magic though. It's still commonplace in PS1's time, but by the time of 4 Chaz and Hahn are shocked to see it when Rune blasts a boulder to pieces.
>>726089786What are you talking about, reddit wants all sci-fi to be grey sludge realism slop like heckin NASApunk
>>726053629Science fiction isn't like Cola that you drink to the sound of a synthesizer. Science fiction is more like old wine put into a new bottle.
>>726089437You’re really stupid. There’s actual magic in the Agol saga
>>726053629No idea. All you can do is shoot it and hope.
>>726088465>The only thing objectively bad about Live-a-Live was the ethics department getting their grubby little mitts on the localization. It was an incredibly faithful homage to the original because they got the director and composer involved.Anon it didn't just have a shit translation, it got censored in Japanese too.
>>726038462Think it really just boils down to how open ended it is with how you could really go about it, kinda requiring someone who is willing to go out of their way to explain it in their fun way.Like again space travel for one to how general commuting works to give the world a sense of potential realism to how it works. But trying to hard to keep it realistic just boggles it down removing half the charm of the fantasy. You could go as crazy as you want or as safe as you want but if your making a product its just a safe bet to stick to something that works ala star wars which just lead to sameness across the board.Still I find scifi to be a really open ended theme if your willing to imagine it. Albiet I personally like the worlds of pso, psu, xenosaga and the like. Being able to walk in the cities really immerses you into it and the day to day living strikes me the most to this day.then again i like the concept of casts a lot and robotic characters are cool in my eyes.
>>726088342Well that OST is definitely Phantasy Star inspired but the art style could come from any number of 80s space anime.>>726088089absolutely fucking not.
>>726038462i've always called it optimistic futurism
>>726038462Space fantasy? I thought this was the game where you're playing a dude whose playing a dude who knows he's in a game
what are the best space jrpgs? i only really know star ocean and xenosaga games
>>726089790Hence the (typically).
>>726090587No, this is about a girl whose brother was killed by the evil demon-possessed king of space.
>>726090132Goddamn people on this website struggle with basic English comprehension these days.
I played the game when I was kid and ever since the music has been trapped in my head for decades.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgG1LNk-Qo8
>>726090587Oh, that's star ocean
>>726090393It was for the PC-98 originally, so that checks out. The gameplay is it's own thing and there's a ton of space travel and hopping around. Pretty uniquehttps://youtu.be/1hTSyHiAHf0?si=mkNnmItDAjsuvgEK
>>726090768And you’re wrong as multiple people have pointed out
>>726041935Good post.
>>726085165Alis Landale is such a fucking gigachad holy FUCK
>>726085583Based Golden Axe enjoyer.I hope that new game isn't shit ;_;
>>726061909That's as good a motivation as any.
SEGA's always been kinda terrible in making their old games accessible and available for purchase. Sure I could pirate and emulate like everyone else but why not just put your old games on modern systems, officially?
>>726038462I say this as a fan of PSO. Both the original, PSO2, and I have over 1K hours in NGS (It fucking sucks ass)Space fantasy is both difficult to write and difficult to digest.>This specific thing is perfectly accurate to how we understand it would need to work with modern science>Fuck you I cast fireballIt's a clash of genre that does not work. It takes a level of "Fuck it. I don't care how it works" that most people aren't going to give.
playing ps4, how long should I give it before I can decide whether I want to drop it?
>>726041935as endearing as this post is, it points out exactly why phantasy star as an entire series is fucking shit. nothing in the world makes any fuckin sense at all.
That's it, this thread made me want to play the original Phantasy Star 1 again and this time, actually BEAT IT. Last time (and the only time) I played PSI, I got pretty far but kinda dropped it due to IRL and university shit that was going on.But I'm going to beat it this time for sure!!!!!I wonder if I should just stick to the original English localisation? I assume there must be a fan-TL out there, that always happens with these old-ass JP games.
>>726093082I'm this guy:>>726092887You shouldn't play it.If you do, take the teleporter to old PSO2 and play through that story instead. When you complete Episode 6 (Go for the true ending if you can.) drop the game.NGS is a fantastic example of how to squander a great IP. The combat is fantastic and no other game will give you anything like it. I main fighter, and the satisfaction of blocking attacks with Double Saber's weapon action is the only reason I still login.The game has no content. Every month or so, they'll release a limited time event where you farm the same exact map over and over again to get materials that you then use to craft/augment gear in order to be geared for the next limited time event.Story content releases every six months or so, and it's normally like three cutscenes.We haven't had a new map to explore in years.New classes will never release.
>>726093193nigga this is silly rpg logic shit 8bit theater was making fun of before you were born
>>726093325ps4 as in the genesis one you dummy, not pso2ngs
>>726093414My bad. I thought faster than I could read.PS4 isn't bad. My opinion may be worthless since my favorite is PS2, though.
>>726039425At least it means someone is willing to include attractive characters in a modern tabletop game. This is significant after the recent freakshit atrocities in D&D5e, Pathfinder 2e, Starfinder 2e, and every single PbtA game on the planet.
>>726046851Every game published after 2010 is Phantasy Star Online, not Phantasy Star. Sega (and anyone with a brain) considers Phantasy Star and PSO to be separate franchises and probably has licensing limitations in place.
>>726093197Alis should always be portrayed small and cute like this.
>>726093758I mean, there's IDOLA, but it was basically a PSO2 spinoff anyway despite never finishing to try to tie its plot back in somehow.
I like PS2 because the technology in the setting is pretty wild. The friendly cheerful save gril is just backing up your memories so the creepy clone clown can implant them in a new body when you inevitably get wasted by a walking tree or something. At one point your entire party gets splattered and is reconstituted from whatever goo they scraped off the walls of a crashing satellite.
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>>726040681>>726086321More so that it's always the same shit and the only thing that changes the games is making the game systems so complex retards find it tedious or confusing.
>>726093376anon i'm 35. phantasy star's story and world never made any fucking sense when held up to ANY scrutiny at all. i know you really really want to use the counter argument that yeah neither does any other old rpg or whatever but while you could be correct to an extent, phantasy star specifically tried too fucking hard to be complex in ways that didn't fucking matter at all story wise, while barely even being able to deliver it. at least with things like final fantasy, it was a simple story told in the simple primitive manner allowed at the time, and that the story at least somewhat made sense beat to beat. phantasy star at its core from 1-4 feels like a b movie but not in a good way.
>>726065931>>726066042Both are good if done right.
>>726041716Technically they fall under pulp sci-fi psychics in the original and prequel trilogies, so they're space opera.The term space opera originated as a pejorative used by science fiction (They threw a hissy fit if you called it sci-fi) writers for stories where there wasn't any hard sci-fi speculation and the futuristic setting was just a backdrop. This is because crappy radio show westerns were called horse operas, and they were saying they were just horse operas with spaceships instead of horses.
>>726093193King Lashiec is literally being taken over by an evil dark force and going insane with power to try to destroy everybody, which includes closing down transportation and allowing monsters to facilitate their spread. All the inconveniences the player has to deal with are largely Dark Falz / King Lashiec's fault. You're also dealing with the complication that it's an 8-bit game so they can't exactly go on long-winded world explaining diatribes about shit.
>>726091945Notice how I used "(typically)"? That was on purpose. Because the vast, VAST majority of people in the Algo have not, nor will not ever experience magic first hand, let alone use it. Outside of Lutz, it's a fucking plot device and often comes in the form of shit that's hidden from the vast majority of people. Even in III it's still just techs, but people have degraded so far that they can't differentiate it from advanced technology. In IV they don't know about magic, either. Rune using magic doesn't freak them out because they're like "lol magic wow it's back" but because they'd never seen such a thing before and could easily tell it wasn't a technique.
>>726045935This is the biggest flaw with the Starfinder tabletop rpg. The first edition it was clear the lead designers wanted to emulate 80s pulp sci-fi with just a bit of magic thrown in, but they completely failed to establish a style guide for the freelance writers and copied the gear economy directly from Pathfinder 1st edition's magic items which led to ludonarrative dissonance from a level 5 knife costing more than a cop car. By the end of the edition it had turned into gonzo Guardians of the Galaxy wacky bullshit due to freelancers and women writers running amok.
>>726093959Honestly that's all the more reason why I felt that PSII was so fucking bleak and dark below the surface. I think it's honestly the most depressing out of the four original games.>there's no god, no soul, no afterlife, just you and your replicated body until you can't be cloned anymoreIt makes the sacrifices of the heroes in 1 and 2 seem so much more poignant. It makes IV's story sadder, too.>there's no immortality, no life after death, no promise of redemptionEven Alis is all but forgotten. Only Elsydeon remembers her and everyone else that held it. At least The Great Light cares.
>>726080378My favorite example of this is The Adventures of Brisco County Jr., where the show is silly, it knows its silly, but the characters are treating it as real so it works.
>>726094389Yeah the way it's explained in the supplemental material is actually pretty cool and very much in line with the material PS was inspired by. It's really similar to how magic is handled in Vance's early Dying Earth stories.>In the original classic series, the esper Lutz used his experience in the magical arts in order to create a generalized form of magic. This power, unlike magic, could be taught to anyone regardless of genetic affinity. Upon his return to Algol in AW 345, Lutz originated common techniques seen in present times, such as foi and zonde.>By around the AW 2200's, many humans lost the ability to use magic. From then on, magic potential remained mostly restricted to people training in the Esper Mansion on planet Dezolis. To the rest of humanity in the Algol star system, magic essentially ceased to exist despite techniques now widespread among most scholars and hunters. Those who could cast forbidden magic became pejoratively known as magicians or fake magicians.>https://phantasystar.fandom.com/wiki/Techniques
>>726038462Alis' design is really cool.
>>726094924So techniques are basically -like- magic, but isn't magic because anybody (with training and sufficient skill) can use them.
I hate PSO2 so much. Ruined the series. And NGS is bad, too. Fucking assholes made a loot grinder and forgot to add loot. Nobody likes fucking incremental 1% upgrades Sega. Having nothing but "+damage" available is fucking boring you stupid fucks. God damnit.
>>726085119Chaz misses too fuckin much. He goes through this coming of age manhood story but can't hit a big ass space blob?
>>726096120>I hate PSO2 so muchI like early PSO2. Namely Episodes 1 through 3.
Nice thread you guys have here, mind if I join in?
>>726096406You seem like a nice guy, wanna go spelunking with us?
>>726096406That's the most trustworthy mustache I've ever seen, welcome
>>726096406>meet the dude for the first time>forgot what happened the last time i played>think he's gonna be hinted at being chaz's dad but then he diesyeah no that's not what happens.
>>726096256That's fair, honestly. I always found early PSO2 to be kind of empty but like it could build into something great. Unfortunately it never did.
>>726096574I'm so mad that I was already spoiled on who he was before I played the game, but that part is still great regardless.
>>726096406That's an awesome move set you got there, I don't think anyone else has those cool techniques!
nosesniffs at you from his retarded treasure chest
>>726095215Pretty much, as far as I understand it. Like I said it reminds me a lot of the magic in some Vance stories where it more or less breaks down like this.>Spells are static formulas developed a long time ago by real, actual magic-using wizards>Said wizards are extinct in modern times >Spells are heavily implied to be based on mathematics or other scientific principles, but no one really knows exactly how this shit works>100 or so spells in existence, their names and effects are well known and catalogued but the actual formulas for the rarer and more powerful ones are closely guarded secrets >Any random asshole can memorize and use the simpler ones. Handling more complex ones takes years of study and trainingI like to imagine Phantasy Star isn't too different. All the different techs are probably written down and well understood. So when Rune pulls off some shit that wasn't in any of the Techs For Dummies books, it's obvious that something funky is going on.
>>726096938That sounds about right for Phantasy Star. Hell in some cases techs are just products you can buy in a store, but you gotta be organic and not retarded to use them properly.
>>726096406Sakaguchi-san, what are you doing here? Aren't you supposed to be working on Chrono Trigger?
>>726097073He's one of the very few Japanese I've seen that can pull off the "thick moustache with no beard" look properly.
If only PSO2 and NGS hadn't happened. Maybe a timeline where Sega would or could sell the Phantasy Star IP to someone could have been possible.
>>726097073He's busy being a grandfather now.
>>726097385>win in videogames>win in lifeBased Gooch.
Sega owns Atlus who only makes JRPGs AND they turned Yakuza into a JRPG, there's no reason they couldn't make Phantasy Star V, the most likely reason it doesn't exist might simply be that nobody at Sega is interested in working on it.
>>726097334PSO2 should have died, SEGA just couldn't let go of their cashcow MMO.
>>726097490lmfao. >okay get this>we copy the entirety of the first edition D&D monster manual>"okay, and?">uh... that's it>*saves the company*>uh... what if we made a sequel to the first one but now you level up by punching yourself>"BRILLIANT!">okay get this>final fantasy one... but you can change jobs all the time>BRILLIANT>okay okay, get this... uh... you're the half-breed orphaned son of a moonman who beats up his brother without knowing until you find out and then fly a giant whale to the moon to rescue your brother and uncle from some dude you just heard about>BRILLIANT>okay... uh... an evil tree wants to open a hole into void space to end existence because he can>BRILLIANT>okay, alright, alright uh... there's no more magic except uh... unless you take summons and boil them down in vats and then inject the goo into people but if they die you can use their corpses to learn magic and also summon them>also the lead character is a half-breed>BRILLIANT
>>726098139You can tell the drinking got worse as time wore on.
>>726047662Heroes are always pretty, even the male ones. Just look at Final Fantasy.
>>726093197>I assume there must be a fan-TL out there, that always happens with these old-ass JP games.Yeah, look for the sms-power translation. It will allow you to turn on the original FM soundtrack. Though I hear the later versions of the patch have some stupid out of place rewrites, so try to look for version 1.2, that one is fine.
>>726052408>filtered
>>726038462I love Xenogears and Phantasy Star have a nice dayahjtx
>>726038462What I hate is that all too often it boils down to scifi but with melee weapons and maybe some magic. I'd much prefer if it was magitech with a more fantasy aesthetic. FF6 is a nice example though they don't have space ships. I don't like it when the aesthetic is too scifi. PSO2 and NGS look like shit.
>>726098664I cannot recommend this hard enough. The US/NA release of PSI uses the Master System's non-FM sound chip and the sound is just abuse to your ears.
>>726086323I was so hyped for 4 and it was such a letdown.>RPG series based on Fantasy Western with an emphasis on really great puzzle dungeons.>Ditch Western feel and make every dungeon completely linear.
>>726087286And now I have the themesong stuck in my head again.
>>726087776Is that the Modiphius one?
The SEGA AGES port of Phantasy Star on the Switch is phantastic it even uses the FM synth OSTTry that
>>726080378Test screens for the Masters of the Universe movie say its good somehow. Scifi barbarians is a fucking untapped well for a setting. If just has fucking everything for no reason because fuck you. Barbarians. Robots. Evil witches. Skeleton demons. Giant fucking robot horse. Cowboys made of lasers. Etc. Look how fucking cool this art is I can't explain it better than the art.
>>726097334Daily reminder Square hired Yuji Naka because of his experience with Phantasy Star online specifically and wanted him to make another RPG for him but he stole all the info on their stocks to do insider trading and made Balan Wonderworld instead.
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>>726088765Gun x Sword was in Super Robot Wars too
>>726099235Goddamn. That sounds awesome. I love it when they toss in the post apocalyptic theme just for good measure, too (Crystalis, and Thundarr the Barbarian).Sometimes sense just gets in the way of a good time. You really just have to throw caution the wind and go where few dare.
>>726099106ye
>>726099720So the story of heman is weird. The toyline came first and the designer of all the original shit like Heman Skeletor and Greyskull etc. came up with his own story and lore that was barely touched on or changed for the comics in the toys. THEN silly ass cartoon was made. The OG lore was actually something like:>Ancient advanced civilization collapses and is split between barbarians and sorceress and tech>Ancient aliens landed rhere>Find a dead giant >Turn him into a castle that connects to different time periods >This is castle greyskull >Deeper you go different time periods you can go to>Raiders from different times would try to steal its technology and weapons but it would drive them insane and mad and kill them >King Randor took control of it>Sacrificed babies to trap monsters in the dungeon >Had a Harem of women including He-man's Mom and Skeletor's mom>Skeletor's real dad threw him in a time portal in the moat of castle greyskull after realizing Randor cucked him>Skeletors cale out as a gigachad sorcerer with a melted face >His mom killed his while village and his dad
>>726038509FPBP
>>726099720There's a 70s/80s book series called the Warlock in Spite of Himself where a space explorer lands on a planet where LARPers recreated Elizabethan England and just so happened to have enough latent psychics in the original colony that "witches" are common. Whole thing turns into fantasy CIA with a big titted redhead witch wife pulling his ass out of the fire constantly. It's great. Best character is a C3-P0 whose brain is transferred into a robotic horse body and has epileptic seizures everytime he encounters magic.
>>726039106Laughed so hard HAHAHAHAHAH retard
>>726038462Is Bionicle space fantasy?
>>726098664>>726093197
>>726102509Thanks fren.
>>726048212>It's better than what happened to Shining Force, at least.It's...for the best.>tfw when being a Camelot/Climax fan is suffering.
>>726072000Like with all games of this vintage, on a real CRT TV if you can (even if it's emulated, or perhaps you want it emulated in particular if you want save states and such).
>>726102509So 2.4 basically just looks like a proper names and text clean-up with a font change at that point, and the earlier ones were more liberally rewritten? Huh.
>>726102656I still have all of my old Shining games. I will never sell or give them away. Even have the old manuals and shit.
>>726063676>mentally ill troon gets a position of power>ruins everythingWhy must this happen so fucking often?
>>726102748The original localisation was already pretty faithful, but it got stuck needing to change names to fit them within 4 characters. SP2.4 is basically as faithful as you could get and it's not that different as a result.SP2.1 is a laughableshitshow where they just filled it out with invented dialogue and called their fanfiction a translation. And 1.02 isn't much better.
>>726103132You are my African American acquaintance that originates from a different biological maternal figure.
>>726063115Planet of Adventure by Vance.Book of the New Sun by Wolfe.Possibly Hyperion by Simmons if you don't go too far in.
>>726047403This. Even light sci-fi shows go into tech explanations. That's like crack for autists, but normies have their eyes glaze over unless they're engineers or scientists.Fantasy goes "magic did it."
>>726063115Dragonball Z and pay attention this time.
>>726103750Honestly the best ways some of my favorite older games handle this stuff is generally just an idea of consistency and basic NPC dialogue. I don't need a traveler's guide series of paragraphs about the mechanics of the world like Legend of Heroes, just some folks that will mention a few basic ideas, and the system not just being filled with "what the fuck". Sure, a game like Witcher having the different tools, schools of magic, potions and so forth makes sense for that series, but if you're playing a retro throwback RPG, it gets really fuckin' annoying if the creator is a bit too self-indulgent to the detriment of the pacing.
>>726038462>Myau from first game needed Alis' help to open a bottle>over a millennium later you can find his descendants on Dezolis>they've learned how to open bottlesI love 4 and all the cute callbacks to the series it makes.
>>726038684Space feels claustrophobic. You are basically forcing people to be inside huge coffinsPeople want to be free
>sci-fi jrpg>look inside>classic fantasy with almost zero sci-fi elementsI'm just so tired. Just make my iron sword a laser sword. That's all I'm asking.
>>726100667It's mecha fantasy kino.Not space, but it IS a surprisingly nice blend between fantasy and sci-fi.
>>726104946Earth is a big coffin. I wanna go into space.
>>726039106Do "gaming is healing" shitters really?
>>726088089Someone tell Sega to port the handheld spinoffs.
>>726096406Cool dark powers senpai. What's your vocation again?
>>726095215Tech=raw power/energySkill=refined manipulation of power/energy
>>726109287Jujutsu Kaisen in space is it?
>>726041146Wasn't MH and Pokemon popularity all due to the advancements in portable electronics? Your hypothesis is kinda weird.
>>726081421I liked it but it's not like the other campaigns, it's more him showing up in othet character's campaigns. Some of them were interesting whereas others were very low effort I felt.
>>726087776Only nogames would think right has soul
>>726086206Comix Zone.
