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>>726049141
it's always
>we don't want to build it but we don't want our enemy to have it first so we build it before they do.
Humans do this too and it's probably gonna lead to our extinction whether it's AI, some bio engineered virus, synthetic life or self replicated nano bots or whatever. That is if microplastics and forever chemicals don't kill us first of course.

>>726049141
isn't it just a beacon for the moons and whatever signal it sends just so happens to mess up everything around it

Because it's funny.

>>726049141
The fallacy of this argument is applying human thinking to an alien race. They don't necessarily have to think in the same way that humans do. Even then, if there is alien life out there then that implies theres countless worlds with life on them, and any planet with life is just a drop in the ocean.

>>726049141
In Dead Space 2 humans also build one from Isaacs mind. I don't exactly remember but I think it was because it produces unlimited energy or some shit.

>>726050896
beacon corrupts humans and turns them into necromorphs
once enough necromorphs are created the marker does some magic shit and transforms all the dead matter into a sentient moon

>>726049141
A dev said that the implication was that it was a bioweapon gone wrong that they were using against something else we were supposed to find out about in DS4

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>>726049141
>>726050997
picrel

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If you knew your race was doomed wouldn't you leave genetic booby traps for your predecessors?

>>726050997
>hurr but wat if da aeliens are, liek, niggerman lobecraptians?
Every fucking species of animal goes by a predictable framework that focuses on survival, reproduction and risk aversion. There is absolutely 0 fucking reason whatsoever to assume any kind of living organism that defies basic reproductive and survival principles would exist.

>>726049141
>Why? Why go through all that effort to destroy potential resources?
Actually, the third game explains this very simply. Markers exist to generate controllable biomass. Once enough biomass (e.g. dead bodies) is collected, it can be used as a construction material for the actual live-form of the creature. A moon-sized being formed entirely out of necrotic tissue.
Which is STILL ABSOLUTELY STUPID when you stop and think about it. But that should not really surprise you.

Most horror concepts are fundamentally illogical.
Everything about Dead Space is stupid when you stop and think about it. The idea of humanity being on the verge of self destruction due to lack of resources while technology that allows to literally TEAR APART AND HARVEST ENTIRE FUCKING PLANETS already shows there was no consideration of scale.
If you have the tech to rip planet into pieces and process every piece into materials, you are already holding infinite energy and infinite power in your hands.
Similarly, it is hilarious to think you could even harvest enough organic tissue to create something even remotely close to a moon. It's showing COMPLETE disregard for the notion of scale.

BUT - it's a horror game, not a hard sci-fi. It's purpose is to attack base emotions, not exercise in speculation and testing your education or reason. Trying to break the scenario into hard sci-fi is just missing the point. It was never supposed to really make sense, it was supposed to bypass your reason and attack directly on your emotions, namely anxiety, disgust etc...

I still think the story and world of DS got worse with each subsequent game, and the story was at best when it was simply "something that we should have not uncovered was uncovered" deal.
Revealing that the Ishimura marker was made by people was the dumbest part of DS1, and the story went just downhill from there.

>>726051035
they brainwash humans into protecting and producing more of them through a combination of wavelength shit and the pretence of infinite energy (which they can somehow create)

>>726051713
>Every fucking species of animal (on earth) goes by a predictable framework
The line of thinking that everything in the universe must evolve exactly the same is, again, a fallacy. To imply so would also imply you are either are omniscient to know how all life in the universe evolves, or you are just talking out of your ass.
In addition if your argument was used, the markers are used to fuck planets and create new brother moons so it is just a method of reproduction.

>>726049141
>We do a little bit of trolling around here

>>726051732
the idea that these things were formed entirely out of dead organic matter was my main gripe with them
even a hypothetical sphere 500 kilometers in diameter would weigh thousands to tens of thousands of times more than *all* the biomass on earth, let alone dead matter

as for the resource shortage shit iirc it was something to do with humanity just going apeshit with the markers and trying to completely rely on them for power

>>726051035
>I don't exactly remember but I think it was because it produces unlimited energy or some shit.
Yeah, markers appear at first glance to be generators of seemingly infinite energy. Which is why humans, who are absolutely desperate for resources and energy for SOME reason, build them hoping they would solve the resource crisis.
In reality, they are basically trojan horses, supposed to attract living creatures, even brainwash them into spreading them further, while in reality, they are preparing for a giant harvest of blood and flesh. Also it's revealed that markers don't REALLY produce energy, they merely distribute it, implying there is some kind of real source - presumably some undiscovered homeworld of the alien creatures, but it's never further explained.

But yeah. It all boils down to "convince sentient races to pick up and even reproduce markers, then when they are common enough, suddenly make everyone go mental, turn them into corpses, harvest the corpses to create new bodies for your own race, rinse, repeat." Stupid, but effective story.

Haven't played Dead Space but isn't that what illnesses do ? They exist to make life miserable.

>>726051713
>There is absolutely 0 fucking reason whatsoever to assume any kind of living organism that defies basic reproductive and survival principles would exist.

Are the Markers not just a part of the aforementioned reproductive and survival instincts for the Moons?

>>726052067
Why the fuck would a living organism deviate from this framework? Provide properly structured reasoning beyond ""duuuude, sci-fi is... like... magiccz but... in spesss :D"

>>726049141
The markers aren't really designed to make people insane or provide energy or whatever. They're blocks of yeast to accelerate fermentation.

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>When they try to start a convergence event on Earth but it's in India

>>726052265
>the idea that these things were formed entirely out of dead organic matter was my main gripe with them
I think I've seen enough shlocky horror sci-fi at this point that this does not even phase me at this point.
I guess I got my frustration over the sheer stupidity of that idea back over Prey in like 2003 or whenever that piece of shit was released.

>even a hypothetical sphere 500 kilometers in diameter would weigh thousands to tens of thousands of times more than *all* the biomass on earth, let alone dead matter
I remember someone calculating the size of an object you would get if you got every single human on the planet turned into paste. I think the result (assuming the whole thing would have density equal to the average density of human body), to be a sphere around like 800 meters in diameter or so?

Funnily enough, you'd get about 1000x times as much biomass if you just collected nematodes. Even more if you just collected bacteria. You could completely ignore anything big enough to be visible by plain eye and you'd get like 89% of all mass of all non-plant organisms on this planet.

The idea of collecting human bodies to do... "do something with biomass" is inherently hilarious. But again, the crux of DS story is that humanity is at the verge of extinction. Due to resource supplies. When planet cracking is considered a common and crude job.
Makes ZERO fucking sense, but does not prevent me from enjoying the game for the b-grade schlocky shit it is.

If I want to be terrified by intellectually relevant concepts, I'd play Pathologic, or Soma or something. DS is a dumb console franchise, literally born out of fucking Resident Evil so... yeah, who gives a shit. "Stupid" is literally the base of it's DNA.

>>726049141
>Why? Why go through all that effort to destroy potential resources?
Because the end result is creating a Moon via Convergence that becomes part of the hivemind helping to gather more resources.

>>726051713
What if the aliens consider being apart of the Necromorph hive mind a superior form of survival and existence? And they could be objectively correct for all we know

>>726049141
>Why?
Because cosmic horror is a human fantasy, your conscious says omg wouldn't it be so fucked up if this was real but your subconscious thinks lol wouldn't it be cool if this was real

>>726053363
rule of cool sells
resident evil has motherfuckers dodging bullets and turning into building-sized masses of flesh and tentacles in a matter of seconds and look where that got it

>>726053363
Average human body surface area = 20 square feet, times 8 billion = 5700 square miles, which is around the size of Slovenia or Connecticut. And that's if every human was laid out in a flat plane, so if you tried balling that up into a non-hollow sphere, it would be no bigger than a city

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>>726049141
What about a game where theres a marker that would drive everyone so horny they would rip their clothes off and hump and mate constantly until everyone dies from dehydration effectively killing off the entire species. would that have been better than spooky horror hallucinations?

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>>726053714
>your conscious says omg wouldn't it be so fucked up if this was real but your subconscious thinks lol wouldn't it be cool if this was real

ENTER

>>726053717
>rule of cool sells
More importantly, there isn't anything wrong with rule of cool, especially in horror games.
With that said, Resident Evil is a franchise that was meant to be serious (at one point), but due to AWFUL production quality became a joke - and then figured "might as well lean into that reputation". It has became quite explicitly a horror-comedy since at least Res4, probably earlier.
There is a lot of creative liberty in being stupid. I love resident evils tone (not so much gameplay, both new and old), I actually prefer it to the "trying to still play it straight" shit that DS did.
But I don't dislike DS either. Or - at least I don't dislike the story/tone of it.

It's cool to see genuine psychological horror of something like SH2, or existential dread of Soma or IPL games, but those titles are incredibly rare: 99% of attempts to make genuinely meaningful horror ends up being AWFUL.
Embracing the silliness is preferable to trying to be smart and failing. And people will fail at trying to be smart more often than not.
Hell, even Soma which I do keep brining up as an example of smart horror, isn't really succesful, because it kinda fails to be scary most of the time. Yeah, there are some genuinely fear-provoking clever ideas in it but... it's rarely actually provoking fear responses.
IPL games aren't even pretending to be horror games, and as for SH... everybody knows SH2 is the most clever title in the franchise.
99% of people will also tell you that both SH1 and 3 were scarier.

So yeah, if it's basic anxiety you aim for (which is a fine goal for any horror), being dumb is often the right way to go.

>>726054518
Literally the plot of Crossed, except it's a magical virus instead of an alien signal

>>726054369
>Average human body surface area = 20 square feet, times 8 billion = 5700 square miles, which is around the size of Slovenia or Connecticut.
Except it's not surface area, it's mass that matters here. Mass and density.

What you are calculating is how much surface would extending the skin of every human being onto a flat surface would get you.
What they calculated - inspired by DS explicitly, was if you collected the actual mass of all human beings, and make a sphere, presuming equal density through out the object.
Which already is stretching, because even at that size, the sheer mass of the object would begin to compress it, meaning a real "moon" created out of human biomass would be a LOT smaller than that even.

>>726049141
I wonder what alien race came to the conclusion that all life must be absorbed to become giant moons of flesh. From what we can infer to the true marker creators they were very religious and worshiped death as holy and path to transcendence. The moons themselves refer to themselves as a "God" in plural sense.

>>726054664
Damn, always when I think of something sexually degenerate someone else independently already thought of it first. I guess we're all already convergent in some way already.

>>726054369
>>726054934

To clarify further about this:

Sphere volume

Radius r = 250 km
Convert to meters: r = 2.50e5 m

Sphere volume formula:
V = (4/3) * pi * r^3

Compute r^3:
r^3 = (2.50e5 m)^3 = 1.5625e16 m^3

Multiply by (4/3) * pi:
V = 4.18879 * 1.5625e16 = 6.545e16 cubic meters

Sphere mass

Assume biomass density = 1000 kg per cubic meter (same as water)

Mass of sphere:
M_sphere = density * volume
M_sphere = 1000 * 6.545e16
M_sphere = 6.545e19 kg

Earth total biomass (reference values)

Total carbon biomass of Earth:
M_carbon = 5.5e14 kg

Approximate dry biomass (carbon ~50 percent of dry mass):
M_dry = 1.1e15 kg

Approximate wet biomass (estimate range):
M_wet_low = 3e15 kg
M_wet_high = 6e15 kg

Comparison ratios

Sphere mass divided by total carbon mass:
6.545e19 / 5.5e14 = about 1.2e5 (about 120,000 times)

Sphere mass divided by dry biomass:
6.545e19 / 1.1e15 = about 6.0e4 (about 60,000 times)

Sphere mass divided by wet biomass range:
6.545e19 / 3e15 = about 2.2e4 (about 22,000 times)
6.545e19 / 6e15 = about 1.1e4 (about 11,000 times)

>>726055413
Thanks, Chatgpt.

>>726055461
You're welcome! If you need the math in any other format, just let me know.

>>726055380
It's getting a movie too. Just wrapped up filming a couple months ago. From the same guy who made The Boys

>>726049141
It's just a Von Neumann machine with extra steps
>Design a space probe to explore the stars for you
>Design it to be exceedingly simple so it can gather resources and self-replicate, exponentially increasing the pace it can explore
>Use organic chemistry because it's easier and simpler to design a very simple organic machine that replicates via chemistry than a mechanical one that replicates via construction
>Your simple organic machine replicates itself trillions of times, sometimes producing errors that make new copies different
>With no natural predators, selection simply favours copies whose mistakes make them more efficient resource gatherers and replicators
>Including those that predate other probes, or actively sabotage them to eliminate competition
>Intelligent life, when encountered, will also present competition, but will generally control much greater resources than a probe would
>Creating an evolutionary pressure selecting for the capacity to prey on intelligent life
The whole beacon system was just an evolutionary survival strategy for a subset of berserk VN probes that evolved to specialize in preying on intelligent life and using biological matter as it's building blocks. It has no deeper plan or intention, it's simply a life cycle developed over trillions of years of natural selection.

>>726049141
>So some advanced alien

that's all you need to know. Alien. As in not human, or understandable to humans.

>>726051713
We don't actually know how sapient species evolve after they star colonizing space because we only know of one sapient species (us) and we haven't even colonized space, so this line of thinking is pure nonsense no matter how you look at it.

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>>726050997
Can you imagine how fucked in the head a spacefaring civilization would have to be create a doomsday device as inhumane as a Marker? Its not a quick or instant death once its found and its strongly implied that the people turned into Necromorphs are still alive. Even when reduced into puddles of sludge or merged into larger beings like the Brute or Executor. At least a nuke vaporizes all life it comes into contact with, ballistic weapons can hit vital organs and kill instantly or within minutes but Markers are on another level of cruelty.

Dead Space should have ended with 1

>>726055774
>It has no deeper plan or intention, it's simply a life cycle developed over trillions of years of natural selection.
I'm not sure where you are getting that, because they sure as fuck don't say any of that in any of the games.
Maybe this is explained in the books or comics or whatever secondary media there might be, but in the games, they actually give the creature a voice. It can ACTUALLY talk. It's 100% sentient and planning ahead. It's not a von Neumann probe, it's a slightly MORE anthropomorphic lovecraftian style horror. Cosmic entity whose intentions and and history are unfanthomable to humans, but one that can actually "lower" itself to comprehend, communicate with, and deliberately manipulate lower life forms (e.g. humans and that other sentient life from the frozen planet).

>>726056142
I mean, I always assumed it was a mistake. Like it was originally just an experiment in gene splicing or an attempt at laying the framework of a collective consciousness, but it fucked up and became this cosmic nightmare entity. But yeah I guess it's just as scary if the Marker is working 100% as intended and the fuckers who built it are just that evil, like the Qu from All Tomorrows

>>726056142
The only way to make some even remote sense of DS story is to embrace an underlying implication that there is quite literally something ACTUALLY METAPHYSICALLY UNIQUE about sapient and sentient lifeforms, and that these creatures - for whatever reason, can't replicate that metaphysically unique quality on their own, thus they have to harvest it.

Basically, it only makes sense if you assume that in DS universe, human soul is an actual fact, it is actually anchored to human body, and these creatures need to consume souls to survive, while being unable to replicate them artificially.

Which isn't a bad concept, but it is contradicting the attempts at also being a largely straight sci-fi at the same time. If they leaned more into actual supernatural forces, it would be better.
Trying to marry this materialist sci-fi future where resources are scarce, with the quite literally necromantic nature of the threat NEVER quite worked, it's the story's biggest problem as far as I'm concerned.

>>726056538
How evil are the Qu?

>>726056947
How evil are the Qu?
they make the combine look nice

>>726056142
https://youtu.be/RmySwqKhu-Y?si=5kwBU9-M9j7E9TOj&t=414

>>726056947
Genetically transformed an entire species into shapeless blobs in constant pain and can't die. If you're familiar with I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, basically that but on a species-wide scale. And they did it purely out of spite, as a punishment for defying them. At least the Markers/Brethren Moon genuinely believe assimilation is the best option for their victims

>>726049141
>Why?
The Markers were probably manufactured as a response to some greater unknown threat that their race was facing. A threat so grave that it required a barbaric solution to a monstrous problem.

>>726056026
Why would landing on mars suddenly reprogam your DNA entirely into a state where your instincts seek to go against your reproduction and survival? What scientifically plausible explanation would you have for such a nonsensical shift in basic psychobiological behaviour.

markers were the "what if a sentient race develops so big that could destroy the universe? ok we get it so let's bury this fucking device trillions of miles underground and the ONLY way for it to activate would be if SOMEONE FINDS IT, BUT the only way a sentient race would find such a device would be if they had planet destroying capability technology (like there is in DS1)
so the Maker is a population control device but in a galactic size
now who created the markers? that was supposed to be explained on Dead Space 7: The Last Aether

>>726057743
The Marker signal/Necromorph phenomenon IS reproduction and survival, in a very twisted and morbid way

>>726057930
i like that the original game had earthgov not knowing a single fucking thing
they just made the red marker and dipped out once they realized they had no way to actually control what it did

>>726057930
That's the opposite of how it works. The Marker signal subliminally evolves species to become more intelligent so they could eventually make more Markers. If it wasn't for the Marker, humanity (and presumably every other species in the universe except for the Marker's original creator) would've just been apes with sticks and stones forever

>>726057743
Intelligent species don't necessarily act on instinct. Human beings do all kinds of retarded shit that goes against reproduction and survival. And we aren't even on Mars or anything.

>>726056142
Convergence is actually a good thing though. Altman was right.

>>726058183
that's exactly how it works though the game is space odyssey for tourist you just didn't get it

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So some advanced biological process in the past created billions of gallons of this stuff. It drives people insane so that they eventually kill each other off to get more of it. It poisons you and warps the environment around it into a disgusting abomination that kills even more people and animals and infects the world they live on.

Why? Why go through all that effort?

>>726051713
And if this species needs the moons to gestate? Needs the biomass?
Maybe they were space israelis and pulled a biological Samson Option on the universe before they were exterminated.
Maybe they shared the Russian mindset of A World Without Russians Will Be A World Without Anybody.

We have had numerous cases of threatened mutually assured destruction and you're questioning the concept?

>>726058391
But you essentially said the Marker is a fail-safe for civilizations that get too big for their britches, like the Reapers from Mass Effect. But it's the opposite. The Markers want civilizations to be as overpopulated and technologically powerful as possible, because that means more food for it

>>726058598
lol
>>726058253
Altman never said that though

>>726058253
Altman wasn't a Unitologist, he fought against Unitology and then they threw him into a pit to fight a Brute with a spoon.

>>726058628
no you're putting words in my mouth now
one game has nothing to do with the other and not even the same thing i said

>>726058598
>destroys own planet and dooms own species
I officially can't suspend my disbelief anymore. These "humanity" guys are cartoonishly evil, their actions make zero sense

I hate aliens so much its unreal, I'd love to just capture one and do unholy things to it while it screeches helplessly, I'm not taking chances.

>>726058787
>markers were the "what if a sentient race develops so big that could destroy the universe? ok we get it so let's bury this fucking device trillions of miles underground and the ONLY way for it to activate would be if SOMEONE FINDS IT, BUT the only way a sentient race would find such a device would be if they had planet destroying capability technology (like there is in DS1)
>so the Maker is a population control device but in a galactic size

>>726058598
It's because it grants infinite energy. I know it's a stupid asspull but the whole society in the story would collapse without the infinite energy so they need it.

>>726058950
reapers kill ADVANCE live so less races can develop anon
just stop

>>726049141
because its not for the sake of territory expansion or economy. its procreation. a perversion of the cycle of life on a global and galactic scale.

>>726057254
>At least the Markers/Brethren Moon genuinely believe assimilation is the best option for their victims
They very clearly don't.
I don't get where the whole "Brethern Moons are a mistake, neuman probe or failed experiment stuff comes from. DS3 isn't ambigous about nature of the Bretheren Moon, especially not the fucking stupid DLC.

They are absolutely intelligent, planning, sentient, and both aware and uncaring about suffering. They just consume because they can.
I feel like a lot of people here are talking about the Many. Or the Tuurngait. The Many was absolutely a failed experiment, and it absolutely was 100% convinced that it's doing the best thing for humanity, it genuinely believed that humans are broken and that the hivemind is the only morally correct way to exist. Tuurgait was not an experiment, but the gist of its motivation was the same.

The DS aliens - I completely forgot they are called Bretheren Moon - are absolutely nothing like that. They are 100% evil, and 100% sentient of being evil, and absolutely don't care. They are just hungry and we are food for them.

>>726059696
I don't get why you think them being intelligent and cruel means they can't have been a failed experiment. You're acting like the Brethren Moon are simply an alien species with a weird biology and reproduction method. They aren't. An alien species made the first Marker, the Marker made the first Brethren Moon, and then they self-replicated from there. It's impossible for them to have been a species that naturally evolved into existence. They were created, and it's hard to imagine why the fuck anyone would ever intentionally create and design the Markers the way they are unless they were deliberately trying to destroy all life in the universe, so clearly something went horribly wrong and they took on a life of their own

>>726060162
We already know from Dead Space 4's general structure that someone created the Markers so the Moons are intentional.
https://www.eurogamer.net/visceral-had-some-cool-ideas-for-dead-space-4
The entire plan was that they'd figure out a way to stop the Marker signal or the Moons or both which would lead to either their creators or a bigger bad in general that the Moons were keeping in check to come out of the woodwork.

>>726060162
>I don't get why you think them being intelligent and cruel means they can't have been a failed experiment.
Because there is absolutely no fucking even remote hint or lead to that.
I trust conclusions based on evidence. There is no evidence, not even shread of it, not even the tiniest hidden implication about that.

>>726060162
>You're acting like the Brethren Moon are simply an alien species with a weird biology and reproduction method.
There is more to it. See >>726056932 for more detail.
Bretheren Moon are architects of sentient life. They absolutely design, seed, feed, manipulate it with a long term plan, goal and technology. Their origin is FUNDAMENTALLY AND EXPLICITLY UNKNOWN, that is the whole big twist of DS3 - the entire idea of learning the origin and birth conditions of the markers turns out to be a mirage, all you find is evidence that this has been happening in cycles for millions of years, that humans are just on in line of countless sentient and sapient races becoming victims of it.
The Marker being both an obvious allusion to the 2001 monolith and stated several times to directly influence human history further proves that they have been breeding us since we were little more than monkeys, so we know they are ancient and observing and again - very consciously shaping and directing us, for milions of years.

And that is it.
None of this implies anything about failed experiments, in fact it very clearly suggests their origin being INSANELY old.

The only basis for them being some kind of benign experiment gone wrong, and all the other speculations about their origin, is headcanon.

"You can't prove it's wrong!" is not an argument. Yes, I can't prove that it's not the case. But you absolutely cannot prove that it is. There is literally not a single line anywhere in the game that would suggest that.

Popper solved our dillema long time ago. And he favors very much my line of reasoning.
And who are you to argue with motherfucking Popper.

>>726061117
Nigger, do you completely lack common sense? A Brethren Moon is the result of an entire species succumbing to the influence of a Marker, meaning the Marker came first. And the Marker is a fucking MACHINE, so obviously it was created. The metal and circuitry didn't just fucking form naturally like a mountain

>>726058598
>that creepypasta/conspiracy theory about how oil is actually a sentience manipulating mankind

>>726051713
doesn't matter, anon. The Brethren moon's reproductive strategy is to mass-infect planets and make more, like a virus. It doesn't have to be logical, it just has to work. that's all that matters.

>>726061378
>The metal and circuitry didn't just fucking form naturally like a mountain
The fuck you are talking about? Of course Markers are a piece of technology. That is not in any way even remotely contradicting what I'm saying, you moron.
Do you have an ACTUAL fucking point somewhere? Because you haven't actually presented it yet.

>>726049141
Dark Forest.

>>726062506
Who made the first Marker, you fucking retard? Are you trolling?

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Wasn't there a psychology experiment that tried to showcase that sick people go out of their way and infect other people when they know theyre gonna die from it?

>>726063274
I think it was called covid or something

>>726062787
>Who made the first Marker, you fucking retard?
The bretheren moons did. Or whatever they are part of.
I'm still waiting for you to make anything that would even remotely resemble your argument, child. So far you are just screeching random angry shit because I did not validate your head canon.

Give me a line. A single fucking line, or scene, or ANYTHING, that would at any point of the three games even remotely suggest that the Bretheren Moon was not the intented goal of the process. That it was just a non-intelligent probe, or that there was someone explicitly wanting to achieve something else than another cycle of reproduction of the Bretheren Moon.
Again. The fucking thing talks to you, by the way. The moon, the giant nonsensical sphere of necrotic flesh is explicitly sentient, intelligent, and versed in advanced technology.

We don't know if there are other steps in the process. We don't know if the moon was always a pile of flesh, or if it goes through more human-like form more physically suited to tinker with circuitry, or if there is an unseen puppet master even further behind the whole thing. Or if there is a third party also being involved somewhere.

But that is the point. We don't know. We CAN'T know. Any conclusions other than - there is a cycle - Markers being created, distributed purposefully on planets where sentient life is evolving (or even before that, and actually CAUSING that sentience), eventually compelling that life to clump up around them, go mad, Convergence, Bretheren Moon is born, rinse, repeat. We also know that Bretheren Moon themselves are conscious, aware of this process, and see themselves as architects of it.
And we know that this has been going on for long enough to make you wonder if it isn't coming from an entirely different universe, as the timeframe they suggest implies these things are about as old as our universe is.

Also, we get that one line saying "Markers don't generate energy, they are mere relays."

>>726063791
>The bretheren moons did. Or whatever they are part of.
The Brethren Moon is the culmination of an entire species of biomass. How did the first Brethren Moon form?

>>726064559
>How did the first Brethren Moon form?
That is unknown, and more importantly, unknowable from what is present in these games. Which is the damn point here. We do not know, and we cannot know, how did the first bretheren moon come into being. We do know know anything about any other stages of it's life cycle. Much less about the history of the entire phenomenon.
We do not know, we cannot know, and any conclusions or speculations YOU present, is pure headcanon.

I'm not explaining what the story behind the game is. I'm explaining why you should not do that yourself, because your theory, which you also happen to be insanely confident and insanely insecure about at the same time, is stupid and baseless.

Precisely because neither you, nor me, have access to any form of foundation to build such theories on. ON PURPOSE. That is the fucking, clear, deliberate goal of the storyteller, to DENY us answers. It's just as much a legitimate message, than an actual explanation would be.

You not being able to accept that silence is just as valid of a message as an explanation would be, and trying to create your entirely own, entirely baseless headcanons is dumb, a waste of time, and more importantly, just quite literally missing the whole point of the fucking story, you damn retard.

I get that you are autistic and ambiguity is not something you cope well with, but get a fucking grip.

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>>726063791
>or even before that, and actually CAUSING that sentience
I haven't seen people discuss enough the horror of the fact that their claim over us is legitimate. They are in fact our god. They created us, in the same way and for the same reason that a farmer would till a field, deposit seeds in it, then wait in the shadows holding a scythe.

People keep talking about them like they're some outsider or aberration but the horrific truth at the heart of the Dead Space franchise is that the very concept of "life" as we know it exists as a coincidental side effect in the Necromorph digestion cycle. The retards who worship them do in fact have a philosophically justified reason to do so.
Our only defense is the whole free will thing, "I don't care that I exist to be your dinner, I don't wanna be your dinner, fuck you"

I'm trying to think of anything else that does this. Evangelion maybe, where the creatures are of us and above us and part of our destiny from the moment life on earth started, and nobody wants to hear it because they're CUNTS, even if it's objectively true fuck 'em

>>726065427
Right, but it's pretty fucking obvious though. The devs don't need to spell it out, because it's already obvious. There is no "silence", the question has already been answered. The Brethren Moons come from the Markers, the Markers are created by other species. Markers and Brethren Moons can't make themselves. There's no other explanation. You're clearly the autistic one, getting this heated and typing out all this Redditspaced shit

>>726066438
the evangelion thing rings true
nice headcanon i like it

>>726066438
>I'm trying to think of anything else that does this
Uh... literally every cosmic horror story ever or any "god is evil' demiurge story ever, you media-illiterate dipshit? In Lovecraft's universe, humans were created to be a slave race by Elder Things. There's a whole SCP about how human sentience itself is the influence of a cosmic parasite, and the only way to stop it is to erase sentience from your mind. Hell, even fucking Assassin's Creed has the theme of "we, as a species, objectively have no right to exist". You don't get more normie than that

>>726054592
Warhammer is stupid, not cool

>>726066438
>I haven't seen people discuss enough the horror of the fact that their claim over us is legitimate.
Well, I think that is mostly because that aspect of the story is one of the few things that are subtle, almost entirely subtext, and not explicitly stated or confirmed.
The reason why people assume they may have given us sentience is - as far as I remember - 100% based on the analogy between Markers and Monoliths from 2001.
There is no other evidence for that, at least none that I remember.
And I don't think that many DS fans even know what 2001 is. If you haven't seen the movie, which was considered hyper-art-house even back in the 60's when it was made, or even worse yet read the god damn novel, then well... you probably won't know about this possible angle at the story.

It also does not really make sense, in light of the whole "Moons need to feed on souls/sentience (not just flesh), but they need to harvest it from different species" is directly in contradiction of the notion that they could have given us sentience - because if they could do that, they would not need the cycle. They could just infinitely spawn sentience / imbue it into any random scrap of organic matter, slurp it up and be done with it. The idea that they need to guide life from distance, even use the sentient life to make more markers - because remember, markers are trojan horses, tempting sentient lifeforms with promises of free energy into building more of them and propagating them..., well it's all a giant mess of nonsense and contradiction.

But then again, I still believe this idea, the more supernatural angle, malevolent gods rather than speculative species, is the best angle the games have. It's a cliché but at least it makes the glarring plot holes less glaring.

Speaking of which, the whole "markers don't generate energy, they are just a relays!" thing is such a fucking giant can of worms and stupid in and off itself.

>>726049141
My theory is that the original aliens that built it did it to achieve immortality by basically printing their DNA unto new hosts or something (which is Necromorphs looks so alien instead of just looking like a regular zombies), and it fucked up, and the moons are basically the result of glitchy alien programming or something

>>726062787
>>726064559
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_or_the_egg

>>726066480
>The devs don't need to spell it out, because it's already obvious
No, it's not.
Provide evidence. Provide actual basis for your speculation. I've asked you about ten times already do that. You fail. Every time.

No, it's not obvious, in fact is the exact opposite of what the game says. You are just a delusional retard making up shit because again, you can't deal with the idea that there ISN'T an answer. Because you ARE AUTISTIC. That is not me throwing insults at you, that is a fucking serious, serious warning to you, that you have a problem with your brain.

>>726053284
India is already a convergence event.

>>726066438
>I haven't seen people discuss enough the horror of the fact that their claim over us is legitimate. They are in fact our god

You actual nigger. How retarded could you possibly be?
You have zero proof whatsoever that the Negromorphs purposely created man as a food source. Just because the African buffalo is the most-hunted food source by lions does not mean that lions purposefully created and guided their evolution for millions of years, idiot.

>>726068007
>They could just infinitely spawn sentience / imbue it into any random scrap of organic matter, slurp it up and be done with it.
That's what they do lol

>>726067106
I'll be honest with you I know a lot of vague Lovecraft stuff but I figured most of his abominations were well removed from us, "Humans were expressly created to be Elder Things bitch niggas" is news to me, I thought that was Shoggoths

>>726049141
The markers drive people crazy and turn them into necromorphs but also send signals to the bruh moons who then send signals to the other bro moons who all congregate and eat the shit out of a planet when it's ready. I'm not entirely clear on what makes the first breh moon appear and I literally just finished replaying DS3 four hours ago. It's got a few issues but it plays well and doesn't deserve the hate.

>>726068031
Could just be they're so old they degraded

Reminds me of Crymachina, a budget action game not really worth playing. The main characters are replicated humans in a setting where they're all dead, but near the end of the game it's revealed the system got fried by solar flares and data on humanity got corrupted. It turns out actual human beings are huge four armed monstrosities. My favorite part is a short line where the last remaining human asked what the main characters thought all the statues of humans in the facility were and they're respond with "I thought it was just modern art"

>>726068381
I never heard that either. Humans being specifically created for a purpose sort of goes against the whole "humans are insignificant" theme of his work

>>726068239
All Markers shown were created by someone else. All Brethren Moons shown were created by someone else. Until EA officially specifies otherwise, that's the way it is. No amount of your autistic seething will change that

>>726049141
>Why? Why go through all that effort to destroy potential resources?
Because it makes Lord Moloch laugh.

>>726068381
>That's what they do lol
Technically, but then they go about it in the most dumb, inefficient way possible. To a point where they almost actually got wiped out by their own food. Remember, the fucking fish people actually found a way to stop the convergence?
Pretty fucking stupid to let your food reach a tech level where it can consciously conspire to kill you. I mean my kitchen is a mess and has probably some rapidly evolving new life forms in the back of the fridge, but even I toss out the take out leftovers BEFORE it starts making a shiv.

>>726068332
>You have zero proof whatsoever that the Negromorphs purposely created man as a food source.
As people have explained, there are two justifications for that speculation. One explicit, one implicit.
Explicit: The "Original" marker on earth, the one that was later discovered by the Unitology founder, was millions of years old. Predating human sapience by a LONG shot. Meaning either they knew sentient life would evolve on this planet in particular, or they caused it.
Both would be equally valid (and thus, useless) conclusions, except there is the other, implict evidence.

Which is that the Marker is literally just an evil version of the Monolith. The thing that gives sapience to Humans in 2001: Space Odyssey. And while that isn't a direct confirmation, it obvious enough to lend credence to that theory.

It is by no means something that can be considered determined, but is enough to consider it a valid interpretation.
It's actually pretty damn fucking obvious that they didn't have a master plan for the story, and were figuring and rewriting the story on the go, so I'm fairly certain that the notion that the Markers gave us sentience was explicitly planned at SOME point, but may have been abandoned later as they were just... kinda improvizing.

You can see that they literally haven't figured out what the Bretheren Moons are by the time 3 was FINISHED.

>>726068381
>"Humans were expressly created to be Elder Things bitch niggas" is news to me, I thought that was Shoggoths
Shoggoths and humans are indeed siblings. It was revealed in At the Mountains of Madness. Humans were created to be pets, while Shoggoths were created to be workers

>>726056142
All of that is just the side effects of the Marker seizing control of the biomass necessary for the Brethren Moons to reproduce. "People" are not alive to the Moons, they're spare parts. Little bits and pieces, meat. To them, Convergence is elevating that meat to life.

>>726051283
I miss this kind of art in Warhammer, fucking amazing

>>726069084
>All Markers shown were created by someone else.
False. All markers show were made by HUMANS explicitly, safe for one. Whose origin is absolutely 100% unknown.

>All Brethren Moons shown were created by someone else.
False. We do not know what the Bretheren moon is, what they are actually capable of, what or if there are any other steps within the Cycle itself, and even less so about what may have predated the cycle.

Everything you said is objectively false. Good job!
Please, promise me you'll get a psych eval, maybe even a neurological check up. For your own sake. Trust me - what ever is wrong with you, it is better to know than to not know.

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>>726069383
i gotchu

>>726069383
I'm lazy so I prefer digital art as far as creating it goes

But yeah the move to making everything digital lost something

in halo, there's the flood, which is a parasitic species that destroys everything it touches and then there's the halo rings, which are weapons designed to activate a blast that flow outwards throughout space to wipe out all the existing flood
is it possible that the markers/necromorphs were designed as some kind of a weapon?

>>726049141
>>726051713
The only resource they need from you is your meat.
Why would they need human tech for anything? They're planet sized meatballs that can manufacture perpetual energy pylons whenever they find a new smart race to use as reproductive material.

>>726069501
I've never met someone so confidently wrong before. Play the games, you fucking retard

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>>726069376
>. "People" are not alive to the Moons, they're spare parts.
Except for that part where they have a conversation with Isaac. You forgot that part. The part that explicitly confirms not only are they aware of humans being conscious - the straight up can speak our language.
Which when you think about it, when you realize they use the markers as trojan horses, they exploit human fabrication technology to proliferate themselves, is actually really fucking obvious, even if you declare the shitty DLC non-canon.

They absolutely know we are alive, they know exactly what is driving us, they are 100% conscious and very keenly planning on us being very much alive, in the same way they are or at least in a way they can emphatize.

They don't care though. Which is fair enough explanation.

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>>726069684
>I've never met someone so confidently wrong before.
talking to yourself is yet another fucking symptom, child.
Talk to a doctor. You are incredibly unwell.

>>726053363
Prey's sphere wasn't all biomatter though, it's a mix of organic and technological parts that have been snatched from different planets and assimilated, which makes more sense

>>726051732
Planet cracking is slow and the issue that humans had wasn't access to steel or aluminum or argon gas, it was access to nature, to food that wasn't reprocessed a thousand times, to livable space.
Terraforming was still something that humans could barely do in the Dead Space setting. And it worked on 2000s logic that humanity would keep exponentially growing in population density.
Therefore everyone was crammed into Kowloon tier hive cities in the few habitable places or ships orbiting around the solar system, where the quality of life was increasingly dire.

>>726070064
Yeah I'm sure the Markers on Tau Volantis were made by humans. You fucking retard

>3 ends with brethren moons consuming earth
what the fuck were they planning on doing for the 4th game?

>>726070514
nothing
ea canned the series

>>726070514
A Hellstar Remina-esque apocalypse. And/or a boss fight where you kill a Brethren Moon with a planet cracker

>>726069184
>. Remember, the fucking fish people actually found a way to stop the convergence?
They managed to stop one moon at the cost of their entire race.
But farmers get gored by their bulls every day.

>>726070514
it continues with the Hellraiser series as the Moons have a lot of sights to see

>>726058598
>>726058880
That's just the backstory of the Gears of War world

>>726049141
>ermmmm why are the weird lovecraft aliens not operating with fricking logic o algo
that was never a question that was asked when the game about shooting alien abominations was developed. any retarded "lore" you've read post hoc is just bored redditors who love "world building"

>>726070105
>Prey's sphere wasn't all biomatter though
Yeah, but that does not change the fact that harvesting humans for what was quite literally like 1 liter of blood and feces is an INSANELY IDIOTIC motivation for an evil alien race attack.
It was extremely clearly stated that the stuff they suck out of people directly flows into the veins, which fed into all of the sphere. The sphere had technical framework but it was obvious that whatever is controlling it and makes for the constitutive element, was the organic part of it.

And even that was less stupid than DS, because Prey also EXPLICITLY had supernatural forces in it, explicitly acknowledged existence of human soul as a physical force in that universe, and one that the master controler thing was aware off.

>>726070147
>Planet cracking is slow and the issue that humans had wasn't access to steel or aluminum or argon gas, it was access to nature, to food that wasn't reprocessed a thousand times, to livable space.
I'm genuinely struggling to parse that sentence.

>>726070658
>They managed to stop one moon at the cost of their entire race.
They were literally MINUTES away from stopping the convergence. And if you can stop it once, that means you know what it is, and you can replicate that as many times as you need.

They didn't sacrifice themselves to stop one bretheren moon. They just died minutes before completing a process that would stop it without killing them. Isaac and the other trottl use the mcguffing and get away absolutely unscalled.

The entire fucking point is to have a definitive answer to the Marker problem. Because that is what people wanted from the franchise, and by that point they already knew they are dead and no other game will be made. Until the mandatory horror rugpull that nobody takes seriously.

>>726070514
>what the fuck were they planning on doing for the 4th game?
Nothing. They were 100% aware that they won't be making another one at that point.

>>726049141
This is the brethren moons reproductive cycle, basically.

>>726071321
>I'm genuinely struggling to parse that sentence.
Humanity was at a breaking point because there were too many of them, and the solution would not come from ripping open a random lifeless planet for iron ore.

>>726058253
Fuck you and fuck your marker.

>>726071876
>Humanity was at a breaking point because there were too many of them,
I know that, I played the game. I just don't understand that particular sentence, at all, much less find it somehow justifying the incredible and obvious stupidity of the idea that civilization that can planet crack has ANY fucking problems with resources or energy.

By the way, I absolutely don't hate the fact that this aspect of the story is stupid. I think the overal tone DS sets up is fine, and I think the imagery of planet cracking is really cool.

It's just that it is and always be just that: Rule of cool, fancy and cool images with absolutely no logic behind them. And that is fine for a schlock game like DS. Doubly fine for a sci-fi horror which is going to be dumb pretty much by definition.

The point is that DS story and world were absolutely never meant to be probed or thought about beyond "cool setpieces and nice mood".
I think planet cracking is an incredibly cool image.
I think framing it as a drudgery equivalent to 19th century coal mining is neat.
I think setting up humanity to be desperate, to set up the whole "deal with the devil" twist, framing human downfall as partially our own fault - mix of desperation and greed being the reason why people started experimenting with Markers despite the OBVIOUS red flags, makes up for a solid dramatic device, better than us being completely clueless or without agency.

It all makes for a solid setup and iconography. You just aren't supposed to probe it beyond that surface level.

>>726068381
The elder things seeded life on Earth, they didn't do it intentionally, they reproduce through spores, and the life they brought terraformed the planet. They didn't directly make humanity, unlike the shoggoths.

>>726072668
Earth isn't infinite. Sooner or later the humanity will run out of raw resources either way and then we'll either have to turn to stars or shift to another plane of existence

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>>726073810
I don't know if you're aware, but 'resources' don't just "run out". The material still exists, energy produced by the sun will not only last but increase for billions of years.

>>726058183
Nah.
If that were the case, it wouldn't also assist people.

>>726049141
Trying to explain cosmic horror is lie trying to explain the 6 7 joke
missing the point entirely. It's why Harbinger in ME2 and ME3's ending is shit on a conceptual level

>>726049141
It's lovecraftian horror science fiction. Unspeakable, unfathomable madness can answer all your questions.

>>726074832
yeah because we've got 2 million years to wait for the corpses in the ground to fossilize

>>726075195
Oh, you're brown and retarded.

>>726073810
>Earth isn't infinite.
Yeah, but space is. Humanity casually travels at FTL speeds, has enough to consider generating tidal forces strong enough to TEAR PLANETS INTO PIECES not only unremarkable, but downright dull and cure process and has the industrial capacities to process moon-sized chunks of planets routinely.

That is far beyond post-scarcity territory. That is downright divine transcendental territory. And I can fucking assure you that if you figured out planet cracking, either terraforming, or just building artifical habitats is an absolute breeze, there is literally absolutely nothing that humans have to worry about. You absolutely don't fucking need Earth at that point. You don't need humans packed into slum like cities, you consider a city-sized, planet cracker ships like Ishimura awful outdated technology, you can build housing, provide food and energy for BILLIONS of people using less than 1% of the matter and energy you can extract from one cold rock planet crack.

In fact, trust me when I say: it is infinitely easier to terraform mars or any similar planet into fully habitable utopia for 10+ billion people, than it would be for us to crack it open and literally harvest every single rock.

And that is while I'm giving just a free pass to the whole FTL tech. There is no way to get around FTL travel without breaking all laws of physics and without us figuring 100% post-scarcity society first, but you know, FTL is always, always just MAGIC.

>>726075480
I know you are, but what am I?

>>726058914
did you get anal probed or something?

>>726069608
there is a cut audio log that heavily implies that the markers/necros were created as a tool of war against another rival species, and that the bretheren moon are using humanity to weaponize them against them, so its not too far ofd the forerunner vs flood conflict plotline

>>726062787
maybe it was made by some ancient alien race as a weapon and it spread out of control

like covid

>>726075718
>there is a cut audio log that heavily implies that the markers/necros were created as a tool of war against another rival species
I'm not sure which game would that cut line be from, but EVERYTHING about DS3 is absolutely and clearly contradicting that idea. Either that line comes from DS1 or 2, in which case it can't actually directly reference Bretheren Moons since those weren't invented yet, or it's from DS3, when the Moons were invented as a plot device, but in that case it must be a relict from a pre-alpha script of the game because again, everything about DS3 down to the most basic premise directly contradicts that direction.

Also, I'm not the biggest expert on Halo, but I'm pretty sure the flood was not supposed to be a weapon.

>>726049874
Why are you conveniently ignoring the fact nobody has used a nuke since WWII? That nobody besides an Iraqi dictator has used chemical or biological weapons since WWI? Humans are very good at identifying shit that should absolutely not be fucking used and locking it up.

>>726076536
>That nobody besides an Iraqi dictator has used chemical or biological weapons since WWI?
Are you serious? Do you actually, genuinely fucking believe that?
Wow. I admire that level of naivité. Just don't EVER look into what japs did during second sinojapanese war, or what Agent Orange was. Keep that sweet, beautiful child like trust in humanity.

That said, you aren't wrong about nukes at least. In fact you aren't completely conceptually wrong, just... very blissfully unaware of a lot of 20th century less exposed conflicts, or less exposed sides of famous conflicts.

>>726076487
https://youtu.be/RmySwqKhu-Y?si=_mMhPt6gmG1JKleO&t=414 at 6:54, so yeah its from 2, whilst the moons are never mentioned in name, its implied that a greater force was behind the markers to fuck with whoever created humanity, whilst on the topic of halo the flood we're created or we're an offshoot of the precursors who were in conflict with the forerunners, i cant recall if the flood we're created specifically as a weapon by them or just a mutation that came after the war.

>>726078016
>whilst the moons are never mentioned in name, its implied that a greater force was behind the markers
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. First of all, the fact that there is greater force behind markers does not need to be implied at all, that shit is obvious since D1. The Markers are tool, obviously SOMEONE made them, and obviously their function is to turn creatures around them into weapons, so that is not exactly revelatory. However the idea of a third party being present - markers not being just a vague tool of destruction, but a gun aimed at someone, out of motive as petty as REVENGE, that is all entirely new, and very clearly one of many aborted plotlines they have been exploring.
It's likely that in the most early drafts of DS3, before DS2 was even finalized, the fish people of the frozen planet were supposed to be actually more developed enemies of the civilization behind markers (you know, the guys that the markers were supposed to "take revenge on", but were eventually shifted into being just one of its many victims when the idea of the Bretheren Moon was proposed instead.
Because I don't remember exactly where I found that, but I do remember an absolutely clear and unambiguous statement by one of the devs that Bretheren Moon was introduced as an idea during DS3 development. It was not something planned during either 1 or 2, it came out as an idea for an escalation device when they realized they will have to wrap up the story with 3.
For the record, at the same time, they were still floating around the idea that the frozen planet WOULD ACTUALLY be the Markers point of origin, which is why we still have the left-over abortine shit of a plotline about "relays" and why it is so stupid.

DS really never had master plan or real story road map beyond the one they were currently working on.

>>726072668
Resources like arable land, potable water, distribution of land or foodstuffs, access to nature, access to anything that makes life worth living, and resources like iron, gold, silicon, etc., that you get from ripping up an asteroid or random icy rock, are different.
Sci-fi gravity magic doesn't make it so you can terraform a planet in any timeline under thousands of years.

>>726079234
Orbital habitats would solve all those issues.

>>726078016
>whilst on the topic of halo the flood we're created or we're an offshoot of the precursors who were in conflict with the forerunners
Jesus Christ I forgot how stupid Halo's lore is.
But checking with Halopedia, we are both KINDA right. The flood are direct remnant of the Precursors, apparently their goal was to escape the Forerunners wrath by turning themself into nano-dust that would allow them to literally dissolve into powder, which would eventually, once the time is right, reconstitute their bodies back to original form. However, there was a defect in the process and somehow, instead of reconstituting the precursors, it started replicating itself and spreading, becoming a form of sentient virus of sorts.

So I was right that Flood was never intended to be a weapon, but you were right that the Flood is a product of the Precursor / Forerunner war - even if they weren't meant to be a weapon. Or to exist, period. For some reason I was convinced that the Flood was actually just a failed experiment of the Forerunners themselves, basically a pet/slave labor combo, that became uncontrollable and turn against its creator, very Shoggoth-style thing, but I have no idea why I thought that. Probably because I just blacked out on the whole "two fucking different races called "the previous ones" stupidity.

>>726050997
Our guy Eliezer Schlomo Yudkowski (the author of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality) wrote a short story about that.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/n5TqCuizyJDfAPjkr/the-baby-eating-aliens-1-8

>>726068381
https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/mm.aspx
Here, give Mountains of Madness a read. It's way different than the rancid "muh tentacles I'm losing my mind" crap modern writers throw around.

>>726079234
>Resources like arable land,
Absolutely not an issue when you have mass-scale hydroponics, which they do, infinite supply of nitrogen, carbon and fine dust to actually make soil yourself, but you don't even need that, hydroponics solved that issue.
>potable water,
Absolutely not a problem when you have INFINITE supply of hydrogen and oxygen, asteroid fields and comments literally consisting of nothing but ice, and enough energy to tear apart planets. A joke of a "problem".
>distribution of land or foodstuffs,
That is actually gibberish AGAIN
>access to nature,
I'm pretty sure with infinite energy and infinite supply of any material you need, you can get over the need for a grassy meadow and create other forms of recreation. Or artifical grotto's to your hearts content.
>anything that makes life worth living
Literally more gibberish
>and resources like iron, gold, silicon,
Ok, so... what exactly do you think planets are made of? Seriously. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

>Sci-fi gravity magic doesn't make it so you can terraform a planet
Yes, it makes the task of terraforming a planet a JOKE compared to that.

And you don't even need planets. You have INFINITE ENERGY, INFINITE MATTER, you can fucking build a dyson sphere if you want.

I don't think you understand the words you are using.

>>726069560
Necrons were so cool it is unreal

>>726079652
>But checking with Halopedia, we are both KINDA right
It's a retcon by 343

>>726080595
>It's a retcon by 343
Nope, it's from Halo: Silencium, which is the final part of the Forerunner saga, released in 2013. Which was written by... GREG FUCKING BEAR?! What the FUCK?! WHY?!

Jesus.
Anyway, that trilogy long predates 343's involvement.

>>726080907
>Silentium
Non-canon.

>>726049141
Some aliens just want to watch the universe burn

>>726081186
>detect asteroid coming towards your planet
>throw a few hundred markers back
makes sense to me

>>726081083
I somehow doubt that, especially considering you didn't know it wasn't a 343 era invention, and especially especially considering... fucking shit I can't get over that.

You do not exactly hire Greg Bear to then write his work off as non-canon. His salary probably costed more than Halo 2's entire marketing, even if they literally ghostwrited all of that shit and paid just for having his name on the cover.

>>726081248
Yeah, I will cope until I die over it because that precursor flesh dust crap is the dumbest addition to the halo lore since the forerunners aren't human retcon.

>>726081384
>precursor flesh dust
I couldn't fucking believe this when I heard it
>forerunners aren't human retcon
You have to marvel at just how much they had to bullshit things to every try to justify this and they still did a shitty job

>>726081384
>Yeah, I will cope until I die over it
I totally get that, but I'm sorry, I'm still in shock. It's like finding out some rando ass-creed side-story comic that you'd see in gas station bargain bin was actually penned and illustrated by Hayao Miyazaki. It's just... surreal.

>>726081637
I never really gave any serious attention to Halo world-building, but judging from what you are saying, there was a LOT of retconning involved in Halo, even before 343's cluster fuck.
So I wonder. Is it possible that at one point of the lore, presumably before... ugh, Greg wrote the trilogy, there was another, now canceled source claiming that Flood was a product of Forerunners experiments?

Because I could have SWORN I've read that, in a pretty official looking source that some Halo fan send me many years ago.

I could have sworn that not only it said that the Flood was basically a pet / worker project of the Forerunners, but it even explicitly mentioned Shoggoths being an inspiration to the idea. And I feel like I may be losing my mind here, if all of that is just somehow my own fabrication, I might genuinely have to consider I'm going fucking mental and I can't trust anything in my memory.
I remember that during an extensive debate about merits of Halo, here on /v/, with a wiki link, back like... 2010 or so. It's frankly the only thing I did ever remember CLEARLY about Halo universe. So... is it possible it's a axed old idea, or should I genuinely worry about an early onset dementia?

Dead Space gets sold off to another company, whos capable of reviving it properly?

>>726049141
This is moving forward with the assumption the Markers (and the moons) were created.

>>726082684
I think that's nu-lore where they decided to feed the dust to their pets or something

>>726049141
The Markers are just seeds. it's the reproductive cycle of a creature which operates on horrifying scales.

>>726051713
Go read Blindsight

>>726087009
>I think that's nu-lore where they decided to feed the dust to their pets or something
No, I'm very confident that whole entry had no mention of Precursors in any way shape or form. And going through the wikis today, none of them mention anyone about forerunners toys/pets or anything, they all have the same, Silentio-based story.

So either this was actually a very old lore that was later retconned and burried (which would fit time-line-wise, since that whole discussion definitely took pre-2011, could have been as early as 08 or 09), or it is is entirely a fabrication of my own decaying mind, never happened, that wiki entry never existed and I'm just fucking crazy.

Worryingly, I'm starting to feel that both options are equally as probable, or the latter option is the more likely one.

>>726076536
The fact that no one has used a weapon that has only existed for less than a century, and with no real major wars since its last use, is not exactly indicative of anything

>>726087334
>https://www.halopedia.org/Flood#First_outbreak
>Small dosages were administered to Pheru, popular domestic animals among humans and San'Shyuum, which resulted in more docile behavior
>After the humans had exposed the Pheru to the powder for several centuries, more disturbing changes appeared
It's kind of buried in there

>>726087519
Holy shit that makes me feel even more crazy. Because that is HUMANS, not Forerunners.
Also, re-reading that stuff now, that is some kindergarten writing right there, holy shit.

>>726080314
I agree.
Also...
>Were
Even now, I lament.

>>726053363
Markers do not only turn humans into Necromorphs - it's explicitly all organic life (or at least, the vast majority since trees might be unaffected) that gets converted and harvested to form the Moon during Convergence along with bits of the planet's crust for its outer shell. In one of the novels, we literally see a Necromorph fish.

Your complaints would have merit if it was just dead humans, but it's pretty much the entire biosphere.

>>726056142
>>726056932
In the eyes of the Brethren Moons, all existence exists solely to benefit them and be 'ascended' to a higher status by being made part of them. They quite literally view themselves as God. Not "Gods" as in a pantheon, but as the singular all powerful big G God.

>>726049141
The "advanced alien race" is the Brother Moons.

>>726061378
>And the Marker is a fucking MACHINE, so obviously it was created.
This actually might not be true. We see in DS3 that there are mini-Markers literally all over the planet buried underground and when facing the Moon proper, it uses some of these as weapons, which explode into super slashers. Which seems to imply that the Markers, at least the ones tied to the Moons directly, might have a weird pseudo-organic origin.

>>726088750
>it's explicitly all organic life (or at least, the vast majority since trees might be unaffected)
That is already a BIT of an issue, given that roughly 85% of all biomass on earth by weight is plant/fungi/algae.
So they are turning all biomass except for almost 90% of all biomass that exists.

Animals, for the record - all of them, including humans, elephants, whales, sardines, bugs and worms... less than 3%. Humans only, less than a promile, by the way. 13-abouts is bacteria and procariota in general.

Still pretty fucking stupid. I get it, it is a silly game and nobody SHOULD take it seriously. I don't really hold it against the game, just like the "planet cracking but on verge of extinction due to resource shortage."
But it is amusingly dumb, and it deserves being pointed out whenever anyone ELSE tries to take these games seriously.

>>726089326
Necros also reanimate people or things that were dead. Sure decompsition would set in but the Marker also reanimates literal puddles of flesh into old or new forms.

>>726050997
Can't believe you're the only person in this thread to tap into the very obvious cosmic horror side/inspirations of the story. Everyone else is playing it straight

>>726091698
>Necros also reanimate people or things that were dead.
I don't think the amount of corpses that we have laying around - fresh enough to be reanimated, not cremated or quite literally burried, would make much of a dent in that whole sum.
I am not sure why we are having this discussion. I somehow don't see the markers reainimating fucking humus either, though that is is 100% composed of dead biomass. I feel like in terms of horror, force capable of reanimating the stuff you use to fertilize your potted plant is very effective source of dread that the devs intended you to envision.

It is really very very simple. In terms of construction material for your celestial horror creatures, biomass is literally the absolutely worst possible option you can take.
The idea is stupid. Very obviously very stupid. But also not very obviously not intended to be taken seriously beyond being a horror trope.

Dead tissue makes us uncomfortable, so that is what they used to be the object of the story. Being dumb does not stop if from making us feel uncomfortable and icky, which is about as far as Dead Space really aims to go in terms of horror. Gore, violent horror strings, rotting meat. That is really all there is to it, and it is enough to carry a ResE clone for mainstream console audiences.
Actually... it wasn't, the games weren't really commercially viable, but you know. It's all that it AIMED to achieve.

>>726092282
> I somehow don't see the markers reainimating fucking humus either, though that is is 100% composed of dead biomass
They can reanimate literal dead skin particles. That is what the Corruption is.

>>726076536
>nobody besides an Iraqi dictator has used chemical or biological weapons since WWI
Never heard of Agent Orange?

>>726092343
>They can reanimate literal dead skin particles.
Again. Stop, take a step back, and think about what you are suggesting.
Because an evil force making my bag of Dr. JimmyZ brand fertilizer suddenly wreathe and squirm and try to suffocate me... that is not exactly a good horror material.
That is straight up 90's pop-culture parody movie shit. I don't think that is what Viceral wanted to communicate by the ending of DS3.

In fact, that would also mean literal shit monsters. That is biomass, dead organic tissue mixture, exactly the same stuff markers are supposed to do.

Aliens creating shitmonsters was also very prominent part of the Redneck Rampage game.
You sure you want to keep arguing in that direction?

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>>726093076
NTA but you sound way too fucking irony poisoned for a Monday morning. Its a

>>726094853
>Its a
Holy shit are you OK dude?
I feel like in that in that Holy grail scene.

Also, yeah, while I'm taking the piss half of the time, I am also making a pretty important point here. Which is to make you people understand what fucking fiction is. That it is a device, a tool to provoke a certain response. It is not a simulation of reality, it is a collection of psychological tools to guide the audience towards a particular emotional or rational response.
Trying to analyze the subject beyond the authorial intent is futile, in fact, it means you don't understand what the whole purpose of the thing is. The attempt to rationalize the idea of the Brethren Moon actually using biomass to create itself, or in fact just the marker's effect on biomass beyond "it's supposed to be gross because dead meat is icky" inevitably results in stupid dead ends and missing the forest for the trees scenario.

Exploring the actual logical conclusions of it shows how absurd the idea of rationalizing this, instead of admitting that it's absolutely dumb on an intellectual level, and works on purely iconographic level instead is both funny to me, but gets also this point across.

>>726095248
>in that in that
are you HOLY FUCK
ANON HOLY
ARE YOU
HOLY SHIT ANON JUST LET ME ASK
ARE YOU OKAY ANON HOLY FUCK??

>>726095392
So that is a "no" to my question then. Are you having a psychotic episode? Do you need help? Should we call someone?

>>726049141
>Retards start planet cracking to avert their energy crisis
>Tell them not to do that, get a response back equating to "bruh, there's infinite planets"
>They slap an engine on an asteroid and send it towards your home planet at an appreciable fraction of c
>Spaghetti spills out of your pockets, your race is basically extinct
>Start hiding markers giving off high energy signatures in planets instead that kill their civilization by making them put more effort into trying to replicate the markers that make them retarded
>Race goes extinct, all that is left is your stupid, potentially self-refining booby prize system

>>726095563
ANON ANSWER ME ARE YOU
HOLY FUCK
ARE YOU ANON
FUCK
ANON ANSWER
ARE YOU FUCK
ARE YOU OK?

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>>726053284
>>726068243

>>726095836
You continue to genuinely worry me. You could give me an address so I could call the paramedics. Or maybe send a contact on your parents, so I could let them know you aren't OK and need them right now?

You seem to be going through something pretty nasty there. You probably should - if nothing else - have some real world company now, that would help you to calm down a bit?

>>726070618
>a boss fight where you kill a Brethren Moon with a planet cracker
that would be fucking cool

>>726096021
you're not even replying to the same anon btw

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>>726058253
>Altman was right.

>>726049141
The alien race behind the markers are cosmic predators that feed off zombified worlds or some shit.

What's actually stupid is that the markers nurture an intelligent race (only one per planet somehow though) instead of just making everything go into constant heat and breed like crazy, since their goal is mass necros around the planet.

>>726049141
the marker and the necromorphs are part of a hivemind. The necromorphs are also fundamentally immortal. The race that created them are voluntarily undead. They likely also didn't have a violent reaction to it.
It's a self-replicating system that as it slowly spreads throughout the universe will invariably adopt all sentient and sapient life into its hivemind, preserving them and all they know for all eternity. It's simply this: the creators thought the end, being a superconsciousness that "saves" all of life that it can find and turn perpetually and forever, justifies the means. It even has a brainwashing function so that any sapient species it interacts with will try to self-sabotage in order to become one with the marker (you know, the unitologists.)

>>726055643
ugh... I thought that degenerate filth had already been forgotten.

>>726096480
now debunk everything else about the moons too please

>>726096615
I didn't play the third game, so it isn't canon.

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>>726049141
I don't know what game this is, but I want that thing in my ass.

>>726096480
>the marker and the necromorphs are part of a hivemind.
Are they? I mean they might as well lack any form of consciousness at all. The necromorphs at least. The marker has a way of directly influencing human mind so that suggests if not sentience, then at least some kind of program or decision making process, but I am absolutely not sure if the necromorphs share that, they seem like ENTIRELY mindless zombies, just instinctively killing more things and spreading the problem.

Also, the Moon may be an entirely separate entity from that. There really isn't anything solid to go off when it comes to how these things work together. Neither do we know anything about "the race that created them".
Also, they don't adopt other races. They literally turn them into necrotic flesh, then just suck up all that necrotic decaying biomass to form a new Moon. It's also very clearly suggested they have been doing this in cycles. They don't spread - they were already here, always, the first Marker was on earth before mammals even evolved. They seed or monitor life, allowing it time to reach a certain population, then harvest it, then go dormant waiting for a new generation of life to emerge. The closest comparison to them actually seems to be the Reapers from ME.

>>726096928
How do the necromorphs seem mindless? They always seek you out and even use tactics, like flanking, hiding, and distraction. At least that I recall. And if they WERE a hivemind, them getting knocked out wouldn't even be that big of a deal, because they just slink off later or are repurposed after a bit anyway.

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>>726076536
>he never learnt about the Cuban Missile Crisis

>need F R E E energy
>dont make a dyson sphere
>but do have planet crackers

>>726097053
>They always seek you out and even use tactics
They really just swarm you. But this is a point where we are getting into the "what is and isn't diegetic" territory.
Are the necromorphs dumb zombies because they are supposed to be mindless devices to spread death, or is it because the game has very limited resources or would be made less fun if they programed better A.I.?
They may come across as mindless because the game wants you to believe they are, they might come across that way because the game needs to make them easy targets in order to make the combat not frustrating.
The games themselves definitely don't give us enough to actually know.
Maybe the supplementary media do, but those are always questionable in terms of being canon and more importantly... I'm not going to read Dead Space novels or comics or whatever shit.

>>726097515
yeah fair enough

>>726049141
It's literally "sperm" that converts all the local tissue to friendly cells and builds a new organism.

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>>726049874
Just to unveil part of the illuminati's playbook, everyone, the uber rich are going to release a tailored virus once robots are for realzies a thing. It's why they're chokeholding the world AND don't care that pointless swarthoids are reproducing. They want the perfect slave caste. But it's obvious they're going to reduce the global population because it's hard to manage humans of a scale of several billion as opposed to sub 1 billion.

The trick is, they're probably going to lose because they're fucking retarded.

>>726051713
That's Earth fauna, not aliens from fuck-knows-where under the influence of fuck-knows-what.

>>726097053
Necromorphs will play dead in certain areas. Sometimes they will funnel Isacc to a certain location by knocking out a vent and then never appearing to get him riled up. Kyne and Mercer say the Hivemind controls them but i think its more nuanced than that.

>>726096478
True. Thats where it always falls appart for me. They need biological matter.

Guess what you can grow forever with just water, sunlight and CO2.

Ignoring the ridicilous energy requirements such a biological being would have like a Necro Moon.

It would be far more efficent to farm slime mold planets every few decades. Just make an entire flat planet with shallow water and it just overpopulated slime mold and you come with your stupid moon thing suck up all the bio matter and then move along.

This is also why Tyranids fail to me. They could just hop inbetween system farming slime worlds forever until the planets are depleted of all possible building blocks of life.

Stop overthinking, It's a video game. You walk around, you shoot things, you win.

>>726097053
>>726097863
I gotta play through the series again.

>>726049141
My personal interpretation is that the aliens who created the markers wanted to somehow attain eternal life but fucked up spectacularly as the markers grew out of control and we got necromorphs and brother moons. The markers now just want to replicate themselves like a sentient virus. That's what they are, a virus that grew out of control. Do you agree with my interpretation?

>>726097957
Tyranids have the excuse that they are specifically looking for interesting gene sequences to integrate into the hive.

>>726097957
I think the solution to that is really either embracing that it's stupid, or taking the metaphysical angle. It's not just biomass they are after, it's life itself, some kind of property that seems to particularly unique to sentient beings specifically.
Kinda like Zerg introduced the "essence" in SC2, and I'm pretty sure there is some literal magic going on in WH40k and tyrranids too, though... I'm not a WH40k expert.

>>726049141
So if the marker makers are required for the Brother Moon to be fully formed, as DS2 shows, can't the marker makers just fuck off from the planet Convergence is happening into space and indefinitely stall the creation?

>>726098326
The crippling energy shortages that motivate marker usage in the first place means only a tiny fraction of the population could feasibly escape. Earth in dead space is one giant global India.

>>726097105
No nuclear weapons were used.
>>726092448
>>726076785

Not a chemical weapon by design, it was employed as a defoliant.

>>726087452
There was this big war with multiple hot conflicts called the Cold War. Neither side used a nuke/chem/bio weapon despite having them.

>>726098623
>WE NEVER
>EXPECTED
>THIS MANY BODDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-

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>>726098708
Actually, speaking of that image, my copy of dead space remastered has been doing this shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2soxmxnQe4s
Anyone know what's up with the loading taking THIS long? My system specs are fine and are above the minimum requirements for the game, but every time I enter a new area it takes like twenty seconds to load shit, resulting in the video.

>>726098801
is it on your main computer's c drive/ssd or an external?

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>>726098594
Whats with so many sci-fi franchises like Alien, 40k, Dead Space, Cyberpunk even something silly like Ratchet and Clank where the future of advanced civilization is to find more resources to either line the pockets of corporations or fund some war machine?

>>726049141
All video games ever made have shit plots that you can nitpick into oblivion. Who cares, it doesn't matter. Vidya game "critics" are the biggest subhumans alive, their opinions are utter dogshit and they have nothing of value to offer humanity

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>>726098912
SSD.

>>726099118
huh I'm not sure. I had to move mine from an external ssd to my main then that fixed it.

>>726099118
these are cute
they also look about 15 years old

>>726049874
>self replicated nano bots
Actually reading the current level of research on nanotechnology made me realize how unfounded this fear always was, grey goo scenario would never happen because at the scale nanobots operate, getting rid of heat becomes a massive problem. You would need huge housing facilities to house, protect and control the temperature of your delicate nanoswarm, with robust cooling hardware to stop them from cooking themselves into scrap metal.

There is massive potential in nanotech, but the nano swarm that eats people alive in seconds or terraforms the planet in one month will never happen unless God himself changes the laws of physics.

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>>726099567
They are pre-historic images, yes.

>>726099698
LOL that's great

>>726099679
>grey goo scenario would never happen because at the scale nanobots operate, getting rid of heat becomes a massive problem.
That is actually a really good point, dammit. I was about to start arguing that it's not impossible - all organic life just a biochemical version of that already... and then I realized the fucking square cube law and absolutely realized you are 100% right, the grey goo scenario may be, in it's classical form at least, literally contradicting every law of thermodynamics in existence.

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>>726099931

what went wrong with the callisto protocol? why do people hate it?

>>726099698
i miss when this site used to produce OC :(

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>>726100638
Sorry we're too busy posting porn and twitter screencap threads.

Should have been device to resurrect long dead aline race. They know they are doomed. They are first life in galaxy. So they build up marker. When it comes contact with organic material it start to change them to this alien race. They seed galaxy with them.
But becouse life that came after them is so different. Crazy thing is happening. In ds3 issac could be first successful transformation. Then it's about dose he embrace it and force it to humans. Or pit end to it.

>>726100682
how many of these do you have?

>>726049141
they were bored
/thread

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>>726101052
That's all of them, sadly. I wish I had saved more from back in the day.

>>726100321
imo the game tried way too hard to cash in on the whole "from the creators of dead space" fad, which just made the game feel like a shitty unoriginal version of the games, not to mention how you barely ever get to use the guns because theres barely any ammo to go by and the melee feels like shitty TLOU, the game also super dips in quality like halfway in as far as i remember.

These are the kind of threads I come here for, thank you anons.

>>726098935
Those are the two primary mechanisms for human exploration and expansion through our history, that's why.

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Does technological advancement lead to increasing chances of world ending catastrophe? Is there like a critical point after which it's almost impossible for civilization and science to progress without blowing up?
So for example at the stage of traveling around and exploiting our solar system it will be extremely difficult not to majorly guck up fuck up dooming everyone.

>>726100321
>what went wrong with the callisto protocol?
At the risk of sounding clichéd: the answer really is "everything". It's kinda mindboggling how much they fucked up that game. Nothing works about it. Combat - AWFUL. Enemy design: IT'S FUCKING ZOMBIES. It's just fucking zombies. Story? I mean we discussed at length how DS story isn't exactly masterpiece of hard sci-fi, but fuck me calisto is so much worse. Even basic U.I. controls and QA was absolutely fucked.

They got someone who had the "maker of DS" credential, but he also did not have an actual idea for a game, or design competence.

I don't think I've ever seen a game both as uninspired and completely devoid is a single original thought, gimmick, anything, and also this technically incompetent in AAA industry.

Calisto Protocol is only good in how it makes you appreciate DS more. I've always looked down on DS games, but Calisto Protocol made me realize I'm being unfair to them, and that there is a lot more genuine creativity in them than I first realized.

>>726070618
That would be sick

>>726101214
thank you for posting them :D

>>726102750
>They got someone who had the "maker of DS" credential, but he also did not have an actual idea for a game, or design competence.
it's strange how common this is

>>726102750
>Enemy design: IT'S FUCKING ZOMBIES. It's just fucking zombies
This is something I don't get, how could you possibly fail at dead space's spiritual successor so fucking bad? Large part of DS's horror came from the fucked up death scenes, like I let a spitter necromorph kill me out of morbid curiosity and yeah it was fucked up
But callisto? They just beat or stomp you to death and I burst out laughing when I saw one of them go ATATATATATA on player's head, it's just fucking silly.

>>726103974
>it's strange how common this is
I don't think it is.
I mean the whole "from the original creator of X" or "the true spiritual sequel to X" tends to be a mark of death in this industry, because 99% of the time, good games are not product of one person, they are products of entire teams and specific synergies.
Just look at fucking Brian Mitsoda when not being part of Troika.

So usually, the whole "yeah this is the combat, this is a new IP from the maker of this famous and popular thing" is bad.

But it's usually not bad by being DEVOID of any concept. Like - turns out Mitsoda not tempered by the rest of Troika is actually an AWFUL writer, we saw that with the leaked VTMB2 material. But had AN idea, A VISION of some sorts. That vision was bad, but it was a result of creative process of some form.

Calisto Protocol isn't like that. Calisto protocol is a creative black hole. It's not just empty, it sucks the concept of creativity out of other works by it's mere existence. It's a true spiritual successor to DS and it's best ideas are: zombies and two-button melee combat that is one button removed from being a QTE. That is it. That is THE FUCKING GAME.

Zombies with weird appendages and the idea that instead of shooting for the head, you shoot for the limbs is may felt like pretty tepid shit back when DS1 was released, but it's a carnival of creativity and originality to compared to Calisto.

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>>726104569
>I mean the whole "from the original creator of X" or "the true spiritual sequel to X" tends to be a mark of death in this industry
that's exactly what i'm saying. i know that games obviously aren't the byproduct of one person but a single capable person leading the team is usually a pre-requisite to accomplish any complex or difficult group-oriented objective

the fact that this doesn't really apply to games tells me that these director/game lead types don't actually have that much creative control as their name suggests, they're really just there to make sure that things are going smoothly and that the majority of excellent aspects in any game comes from the eureka moments that stem from critical thinking that the workers within the team autonomously come up with. i guess it makes sense, a game dev leader is just meant to tell people what to do but there's dozens upon dozens of little features and sub-features whose designs need to be delegated to workers and only the workers with the right amount of specific knowledge in those areas can execute them properly

>>726102521
Not necessarily, but the way our current civilization does things sure. You could have solar sail vessels taking their sweet time exploring the galaxy, can't think a way to fuck up too badly with those
We however prioritize systems with maximum output and gains for minimal input and investment. Think of the global trade routes and how one ship in Suez fucked it up for weeks.

>>726106498
>that's exactly what i'm saying.
As a general rule it's a bad thing. But the reasons why it tends to fail aren't uniform, and I don't think I've seen a project like this failed due to complete lack of any creative idea.
I mean even the worst case of these copy-cat games are a case of "we are doing the exact same thing".
But Calisto didn't get even that far. They didn't even try to copy Dead Space. That is the fascinating thing: they did less than pressing ctrl+v. They looked at Dead Space and said: "how about we don't do any of that, how about dropping everything that even remotely worked in that game but not replacing it either."
I mean that is not 100% fair: they did copy the the gravity gun from Dead Space. Peak originality: a HL2 grav gun.

>the fact that this doesn't really apply to games tells me that these director/game lead types don't actually have that much creative control as their name suggests
That may be true for some cases, but then you have cases like the afortmentioned Mitsoda thing, or Ragnar Tornquist making sequels to TLJ and suddenly you realize: you fucking WISH they had less control.

These proclaimed "authers" tend to come from one of two extremes. One is "I didn't actually have an impact on the original, I'm here for marketing purposes". That leads to games that are just inferior copies. See Outer Wilds.
Or - they actually are very creatively ambitious, in which case it's almost universally "You shouldn't have had control, god I wished you didn't have control": case in point Mitsoda, Tornquist, that kind of shit.

Both are bad but Calisto is still unique in that it isn't even an inferior copycat. Being inferior copy of DS was waaaay too ambitious and risky for Calisto.

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I think it's best the don't explain the origins of the markers and bretheren moons

they're a force of nature, and have existed for eons to the point that any knowledge of their "origin" would be forgotten to time, unless of course they directly tell you themselves but thats hack writing and lame as fuck

they may not be natural creations, but their long continued existence has made them as natural to the galaxy as something like a solar flare, it just happens sometimes

>>726098935
Alien Earth shows us that Earth is relatively okay. Progidy City literally looks like your typical metropolis.

If the series continued I wonder if they'd have fallen into the "explain the fuck out of everything and ruin all mystery" hole too.

>>726049874
Now that you mention it I really like the idea that the Brethren Moons are a self-replicating biologically engineered WMD that was made and deployed because some particularly spiteful alien species was worried someone else might get to be bigger assholes than them so they would be the biggest assholes possible and ruin the universe first.

>>726107290
>I think it's best the don't explain the origins of the markers and bretheren moons
Yeah. I mean I genuinely think they should have done the same for the Markers too. The whole "the marker in DS1 was actually human made" shit was already a bad plot twist that lead to a whole heap of bad story decisions in 2 and 3.

But what I find most interesting is just how many people have these weird, extremely detailed headcannons about the Bretheren Moon, and how convinced they are about them.

I haven't seen this kind of headcanon pushing and fanaticism in a Gen7 AAA franchise. It surprises me because I guess I never realized how many people seem to genuinely care about DS lore and story. I always saw it as a pretty throw-away afair.
And I feel like the idea of ambiguity is really, REALLY uncomfortable to a lot of people today. Like - genuinely anxiety introducing.
Which is so fucking weird to me, especially when it's cosmic horror shit. I'd expect that everyone would be 100% expecting that sort of thing.

>>726050896
No, its infinite free power/the big slab from 2001 a space odyssey. The point is to make a species advance into an advance civilization dense enough so they can be used to make a brethren moon once enough are around. The Marker is the entire reproductive process of the moons.

>>726076536
Oy vey but what about da gas chambas

>>726108896
>The Marker is the entire reproductive process of the moons.
It is also a conduit, apparently. It does not generate any energy, it is a relay that draws that energy from some kind of external source.

Though that part is so fucking fucked, because tracing that energy back leads Isaac and the Tardsquad of DS3 to the frozen planet - making everyone assume that must be the birth place of the Markers. Except that isn't true at all. In fact the frozen planet is absolutely fucking irrelevant to the Bretheren, there is absolutely NO reason why Markers should draw energy from there. The frozen planet is just one of hundred of thousands of civilizations that got consumed by the Bretheren in previous cycles, the only stand-out thin is that they did manage to stop freeze the convergence process - in fact they managed to discover how to stop is ENTIRELY and safely, they just didn't have time to press two addition buttons somehow.

Meaning, the only stand-out thing about this system is the fact that it contains a potentially existence-threatening weapon to the Bretheren, meaning they would ACTIVELY NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO IT.

Yet somehow that is where the power for the Markers came from.

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so what's the point of the brethren moons? to just destroy planets in one go? there's just a bunch of brethren moons zipping around space? what?

>>726076785
>Agent Orange was
an herbicide, the stated intent was to clear out tree cover so people could die the correct way: to bullets and shrapnel. I'm sure there were some who were creaming their pants over poisoning generations but it only got signed off on by enough people because they could lie to themselves and say that no person would get gassed to death, they'd just have their entire natural environment rot around them.

>>726109528
They're an ascended alien race that made the markers in the first place.
They're all over the galaxy, and are why humanity can't find any alien life in the universe.
I assume their end goal is just to spread and reproduce.

>>726109771
>that made the markers in the first place
how?

>>726097957
>This is also why Tyranids fail to me. They could just hop inbetween system farming slime worlds forever until the planets are depleted of all possible building blocks of life.
Putting aside that the tyranids strip literally everything off a planet, even the microbes and minerals, so nothing could ever grow on it again, the point is that the hivemind is simply a supermassive predator. The jaguar isn't there to build civilization and farm tofu no matter how smart it might be, it just wants to crunch your skull and eat your liver. The Hivemind is an animal, one which is deviously intelligent and belligerently hostile, but still one which obeys only the single-minded laws of nature.
If you want more reasonable space bugs that farm planets and only expand when they spawn a new queen you'll have to look elsewhere.

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>>726109858
I dunno man maybe they took a sculpting class or something.
They're giant moons made out of corpses try not to ask too many questions, maybe they can literally just shit them out after pouring their psychic energy into them.

Real answer is they farted them out all over the galaxy eons ago so they get buried in planets, like The Black Marker on Earth that was found in Mexico, which transmit psychically transmitted blueprints on how to build more markers. If they made these ancient markers before or after they ascended into moons or whatever I have no idea.

>>726109503
We try not to think about dead space 3 which is why i tend to dislike all talk about brethren moons since the two are inevitably tied together
Having a gigantic zombie planetoid that uses pillars of enlightenment as bait for turning people into Return of the Living Dead-esq hyper zombies is interesting but the necessary retcons to make the 3rd game happen sabotage the concept in its infancy. Should've just said that the energy gets pulled from whatever noosphere bullshit that allows corpses/dead tissue to be animated.

>>726109503
Perhaps that's just the closest marker, the power is relayed trough it from further away. They would need to decode the frozen planet's marker's signal and that would lead to another fucked planet or whatever.

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i fucking hate EA so much it's unreal

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You can only pick one.
Horizontal? or Vertical?

>>726110598
>Perhaps that's just the closest marker, the power is relayed trough it from further away.
No, because you know, there are thousands of markers all over the human space, tens of thousands of light years apart at times, and this is a triangulation of the signals source. The game did not leave this open to other interpretation.

>>726076536
>since ww2
Holy shit that's like... 3/4 of a century. Like it's a person's entire lifetime dude.

>>726051713
What if the laws of physics aren't universal in the universe? There could be bubbles of spacetime where the universe collapsed to a more stable state, what if the laws of physics within those realms are so different that evolutionary pressures are such that it wouldn't make sense to ours, yet their laws of physics allows them to leak or peer into "our" pocket of space.

This is pure scientific speculation but we do know we live in a metastable universe that can collapse and have Bubbles that expand with the speed of light outwards with different physics within. It could be that the speed of light isn't the speed limit within allowing them to escape those pockets.

I'm just making up bullshit. It's not about what I said it's about you not being too rigid in thinking and extrapolating local assumptions we have of the universe based on observations all made from Earth into the entire universe.

I'm 99% convinced that the new tv show Pluribus is going to end up a spiritual successor to the dead space story.

Including the beacon and convergence event and everything.

>>726109601
>an herbicide,
A defoliant actually, but the "stated purpose" is about as relevant here as the stated purpose of Unit 731 being a water purification facility.

That is only a little bit of an exaggeration. Agent Orange was known to cause severe, life-threatening pulmonary disruptions and cause direct mucus tissue damage when inhaled. Those were immediate-exposure symptoms. Not a "we didn't have time to run long-term impact tests so we could not have known it's also going to cause birth defects for next 50 years" shit.
It was a chemical weapon whose not stated, but very much intended effect was to cripple or even kill enemy personal in the target area.

Also: you know... white phosphorus and napalm, another popular tools of the vietnam war.

>>726049141
What resources you stupid asshole they turn all those dead bodies into fucking MOONS!

>>726097752
The earth can only sustain a certain amount of people since it's landmass and resources are limited. But microplastics are already sorting out the overpopulation by making people infertile. They'll probably just start cloning people.

>>726111268
Horizontal
Hide your legs necros

Markers are just moon eggs and a natrually occuring lifeform