>2007>come home after school >fly up to the Bangs to chill with people and give newbies advice>those newbies later join you as they grow older and level up tooWikis ruined the sense of unique community MMOs used to have, no longer do newbies attempt to engage with people for information, because it's all on a soulless wiki. No longer do the vets help newbies because they can help themselves because info is easily accessible. I miss it, I really do.
cool but that can never come back so who cares? you can't undo modern internet culture
>>726054735no Asian countries ruined mmos
internet to the masses ruined mmos
>>726054950Giving internet access to turd world countries like india and africa (I do not care if africa is different countries they are all the same in essence) ruined MMOs and everytrhing else.
>>726054735I kinda miss this game, whats the current situation with it?
Its just the natural evolution of the world wide web. It was always going to happen, just be happy you got to experience this games for at least a moment in their best form
>>726054735You're not in school anymore, even if wikis didn't exist you wouldn't bother doing the same lameass shit you did back when you were a kid.It's time to let go, we won't ever be young again.
most people were mute solo players even back thenby 2007 the magic was already gone outside of weird obscure non-english mmos like yogurting
>>726054819Yes you can.
>>726055196No. No you can't.
>>726055079>>726054950In hindsight, the China firewall was a blessing in disguise
>>726055101Freemium pay to win slop with abyssmal "gameplay". I would rather eat a jews turd than play this shit again.
>>726054735>Flyff Jesus Christ OP
boo boo I can't groom kids in online games anymoretime to get a real hobby, fatass
>>726055408>can'tYou haven't heard of Roblox have you?
>>726055503but you have to play roblox... eewww
>flyff>ragnarok>gunbound>grand chaseI want to go back to 2004
>>726055290Sure you can.
>>726054735there were guides telling you where to grind at what levels and what to spend your stat points on depending on what class you wanted to be and which skills to spam to level them up in flyff too buddy, I remember those days
Play aion 2 in 2 days when it launches so you can feel the uncharted territory high with a slew of eager players
>>726054735get your own opinion, stop stealing mine.
>>726054735Social media killed MMOs. 90% of early MMO players did so because it was a place to talk to people and hang out. Once it became easier to do so elsewhere, they left in droves.
>>726054950>>726055079We tried to warn you dog.
Not a problem in PvP MMOs like Eve, Albion or Tibia.
>>726054735NO!!!go FUCK yourself>interact with community>team up with people, they wanna add me on steam>”sure why not, cant hurt”invariably they turn out to be:>clingy, pming me lame shit about their boring fucking life like i’m their day 1 preschool friend, even though i spoke to them for 20 minutes altogether while we played, or pinging me the moment i come online, or dragging me into some queer argument they’re having in a group chat or forum, back in the day>or constantly invite me the moment i go online to play the game i met them on, even though i was maybe only trying it out for a minute or only play it once in the blue moon when i feel like it and then they pm you when you boot up a singleplayer game>or, and i say this without a shred of embellishment, a literal fucking 30+yo trooner with a fagflag pfp that wants me to hop on voice to find out if im a little kid. yes i’ve had this happen THREE times in different MMOs - idk why people would think im a kid i’m a grown ass man and my pfp or behaviour would not suggest anything elseput the fucking fries in the bag, help me beat this dungeon/raid, show me how to beat the objective, or help me win the pvp match, whatever hamfisted human interaction i have to put up with to progress, just do it AND FUCK OFF! if i wanted to talk idle shit with complete and utter fucking retards with negative IQ and a dogshit boring ass life i have to pretend to give a fuck about, i’d fucking install tinder.
Nowadays all the socialisation in MMO is centered around gooning. Play WoW? Better hop to Goldshire. Play XIV? Gotta mod your character and hit up the clubs and join a syncshell before they even consider talking to you. It's just not the same anymore.
I don't really care about the wiki stuff, whatever. a database is convenient. but discord being forced as an integral part of various games, let alone their "communities", is sickening. modders are especially guilty of this now.
>>726057763Found the permanently "offline" dude that tends to sadpost about how lonely MMOs and games are.
>>726057956except i dont though
>>726054735In Ragnarok Online, guides and wikis are largely useless unless you already know the game extensively. With thousands of private server's information still floating around, trying to find a guide to the game that actually applies to the version you're playing is impossible by chance. You need to already be knowledgeable to actually help yourself.And yet, RO is one of the top classic MMOs still. The main issue is precisely that newbies have a hard time getting into it because of what I described.The damage wasn't done by wikis. People at large just don't wanna play games of this flavor anything. High commitment, that is.
>>726054735This is not just isolated to mmos. I remember being mad as a kid that other kids didn't figure things out themselves but simply did what the teachers and textbooks told them to do, it was like you're surrounded by NPCs with cheats
>>726057763just delete or/and block them?to weak to do that, big boy?
>>726054735>>726054950>>726056375All correct. WoW is also generally to blame by being a shitty game that everyone rushed to copy and paste so they could try to gain some casual MMO market share, a race to the bottom that helped kill the genre forever.
>>726054735Counterpoint: MMOs are dogshit anyway
>>726054735>>726055101>>726055386>>726055847I really hate how FlyFF universe turned out. I just want to experience it one more time without the pay2win stuff.
>>726058634well yeah but if it’s a smaller community/game/server i need to put up with it so i can keep playing. i just dont like most people is what i was saying
>>726055886Most people didn't use guides and most of the guides you'd find were really just some random kid's opinions mixed with the word of mouth consensus. There wasn't nearly the same amount of easily available widely known and fully optimized data that exists in current games.
>>726059552I remember kid me being EXTREMELY conflicted about turning into the class that dual wielded swords (blade?) or the one that had a two handed greatswordI also wanted a flying surfboard so fucking much
>>726059693>I also wanted a flying surfboard so fucking muchyou unlock those at level 20 since forever
>>726058342why are you lying? retardohttps://ratemyserver.net/
>>726054735I used to meet new people every time I played Runescape back in the day. Got trolled and lead into the wild by a player I trusted who ended up killing and looting me. Met a guy who paid me a daily wage of gold to bring him piles of bones everyday. Its all very fond memories for me. Now when I boot up Runescape it really feels like everyone is either botting or just playing a singleplayer game. Like all of my favorite old places to farm like the cows or frogs behind lumbridge are just full of bots running back and forth instead of people just talking or trying to be funny in chat. The only time I feel like I'm ever interacting with real players is when some dude does drops at the Grand Exchange.
I miss that period in time when MMOs were the genre devs were chasing and every single property you can think of was getting MMOsI used to unironically play the Kung Fu Panda and Family Guy MMOs all the time.
>>726060831The MMO goldrush was a beautiful era. So many MMOs popping up frequently, exploring them with everyone for the first time since information was scarce.. nowadays everything is solved because most people datamine everything before it even launches so everyone knows what to expect and the sense of wonder and discovery is dead. I used to feel like Christopher Columbus discovering new places for the first time, nowadays I just see them and realize some dude talking about the game used them as background for his video.
>group on /vm/ playing random MMOs togetherThat sounds coo-->huge emphasis on weekly movie night one week with a minigame night the opposite week:lI miss playing f2p MMOs or betas for new releases 15 years ago with randoms off /v/ without any faggotry involved.
>>726061534never join anything that involves 4chan userbase
MMOs now have to compete with gachas and social medias together to be able to be something of note but they can't since the general idea of it would have to mean that the single player content is worth a damn or be abled to speedrun it for most of the classes/builds/etc. also most people online won't give a damn about helping you unless you're part of a clique and newcomers have it the worst in finding a "non-autismo group"
>>7260616242010+ and on I agree. Seeing the degradation of the website in real time is traumatic.
>>726061624I tried it in XIV and it's just legit gooning
>Discord ruined mmospeople had guild vents and IRCs for ages though>Wikisdatamining probably did but I'm pretty sure people were datamining back in the day too we were all just too retarded to go find the forums they would post on which is way easier now that everything is consolidated to like 3 shitty websites anymore
>>726054735most people who give advice like that, are not the people who should give advice
>>726054735Man I loved this game. I remember wanting to be an acrobat but had no idea how to do it. Asking around for help and one guy told me I had to go to the high level island to talk to someone to get the class.Shit was cool. Also the music fucking rocked
>>726059810I was a kid, i didn't knew how to play it i just kept fucking around and seeing cute shit lmao>>726062384I wanted to play XIV but having to pay to play it sounded retarded
>>726063430>https://youtu.be/S1mkQeG-bVU?si=-b7JjvBINI95bIA4This theme was so fucking good. Perfect for leveling
>>726060116rms is worthless if you don't already know how to use it and play the game.
>>726064792and i thought zoom zooms were bad
>>726054735The only way to avoid this shit is to either play on roleplay servers or when the game is still brand new.Expansions counts as brand new. People come and go, but retarded elitists stay.
>All the timestamped Asian nudes I used to get in Maplestory for giving NX/Gacha itemsMan, those were the days...
People mad about wikias and catalogued, publicly accessible knowledge are just assmad that:>they don't get to play oh so wise sages surrounded by IQ 70 oogaboogas>people don't have to go through a gauntlet of humiliation rituals to appease gatekeepers until they drip-feed some info>the playing field is more even in PvP when it's easier to make informed choices
>>726054735While wikis and discords contributed to the problem, they weren't the cause. The cause was (You), the players, constantly asking for convenience and more solo friendly games. Now MMOs are design to be as solo friendly and convenient as possible. No more looking for a party to run a dungeon with, now you just queue up for matchmaking and get teleported into the instance. No more bartering/haggling/trading, now you just toss your garbage up on the auction house and fuck off until someone buys it. No more asking wizards for portals to cities, now you just open up the map and teleport there instantly. Fuck, shit's gotten so bad that now we have solo dungeons in MMOs, what a fucking worthless genre.
I loved the yo-yo weapons so much.
Any decent pservers of flyff or is it over for good?
>>726066267I think Gala bought back the rights and hosts their own version again. Flyff Universe? I also saw a version where you could play through a browser, meaning you could play on a phone as well.
>>726065012Think about it. If you google up RO guides, you get 100 pages of old forums with builds that have nothing to do with the server you're going to play.If you don't know the game, looking up items on rms is also not very good because 95% of the database are event and cash shop items that have no data on how to obtain them. You have to just know those things.
>>726066717goddamn its been a while since i saw this macro
>>726066717who the fuck has problems with rate my server anon? are you older than 12? what the fuck
>>726054735Is it possible to make wikifags absolute hate trying to make wiki shit for your game?
>>726066908I'm the guy who runs Ragna/v/, and I've run many servers before that point.I'm telling you, ratemyserver is extremely useful but you need a baseline of knowledge about RO before you can use it effectively. If you are entirely new to RO, you can't really know how to use it as a tool. I've been told that many times.The most common mistake new players make is, when they are searching for places to level up, they sort monsters by level. Pre-Renewal RO gives zero shits about this metric, specially early game. A monster being the same level as you isn't a good measure of whether you can kill it easily. In general, monsters of the same level as you can kick your ass in RO. The game is a whole lot more about things like cast sensing, movement speed, elements and required HIT/FLEE to survive, depending on your class.Another very common question I get from people who are entirely new to the game is>I saw [ITEM] on the database/guide but it doesn't say how to get itand when I look up said item, it's a cash shop/event/battlegrounds piece of equipment. New players have no basis to understand that some items just aren't obtainable outside of official servers and/or customization.
not even going to bother with your anecdotal knew it was you since the start of the thread ffs
>>726054735These old shitty mmos rarely much in the wikis, if they even have one to begin with
>>726054735I used to play Flyff like 20 years ago.How is it now?
>>726054735I lowkey miss flyff
>>726068773It should go on /v/ mmoventure
>>726054735>wiki and discord runined mmometa, tryhard, cheaters, pay2winfour riders of fun-apocalypse
>>726068923those niggas already played ithttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/681234614
>>726068525doubled down on the pay2win last I heard and the game was already pay2win.
>>726069816Jesus, as if it wasn't bad already. I heard they tried to go back to v7 which was one of the people's faves
>>726054735https://youtu.be/jeN6anFp5zUAHHHH FUCK I LOVE THIS GAME'S MUSIC
>>726055863nope
I just want a good pvp MMO that isn't top-down moba garbage, vanilla WoW is getting old.
>>726073775>pvp MMOgarbage
>>726074075buckbrokeneve and albion are the only good mmos rn
>>726073775I unironically liked Tarisland pvp even though it's a mobile mmo (I played on pc)It was fast paced and the maps were small enough so there'd be fighting going on all the time
>>726054950I think you vastly underestimate how many people used the Internet back then
>>726055359the CCP's firewall didn't stop gold bots at all throughout the 2000's
>>726074262I watched the first pvp video that came up on youtube and it made me wanna vom
>>726074496link the video
>>726074560https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u01PAAwuHo>no skill or strategy>just spam AoEs and hope the numbers kill them before they kill you
>>726074726I don't think low mmr matches in any game are interesting or fun to watch to be completely honest with you
>Play DAoC in 2002 - 2004>Can play whatever I want, build whatever I want, spec however I want and never once was denied a group spot or guild as long as I tried to do well>Play DAoC private servers now>Oh you're not *Insert class & Spec here*, sorry, no invite to our mindless PvE content here that a monkey could do anyway>Oh you are? Well here's the discord link on your pre-approved class for best Spec + Build Template, also we all use voice chat you better be on it if you want to be in the groupIt's dead Jim, the mmo dream is dead. Every mmo just becomes this now.
>>726054950This extends to everything. Normalfags are a separate, possibly ancestral species, like homo erectus, but they’re so saturated and have such a grip on the flow of information, goods, etc. in the simulation that none of us have felt comfortable declaring it. They invented the word “normal” as part of an effort to identify us, but the fact that they monger the perception of what is average and what is exceptional means that we, who really should just have to identify ourselves as worthy men and women, have to call ourselves “weird” and them “normal” to help progress past them, and even then, it doesn’t always really work, especially in the age of fake nerds. Add to that the terrifying vacuum of connection left by disconnecting from them with no obvious like-minded connection in sight and they can maintain their stranglehold for decades, possibly centuries. It fucking sucks.
>>726054950I played mmos in early 2000s and it felt like people then were way more chill and relaxed. Who knew normalfags were the min/maxing turbofaggots the entire time
>>726074979Are you kidding? 1v3s are peak content in WoW
>>726075804if the players are good at the game it's fun to watch any kind of matchif they run around not knowing their buttons then what are you even watching it for?
>>726075752If you can excel at life enough to be considered normal then doing it in a video game isn't a problem at all. It's the neets that are struggling at everything and want to take it easy.
>>726076098But it felt like most people playing early mmos (I'm talking 2000 - before WoW were adults with jobs
>>726075408It's not just MMOs. Every game is now filled with meta faggots
bros is there any aspect of the future that will be good? The only hope I have is somehow the AI dead internet ends up becoming more entertaining than the average normalfag but looking at what we have now I think its just going to be worse.
>they want forced shitty player interactions from old shit ass mmosLol no, kys faggots
>>726076064Take a look at that tarisland video again, the dude is pressing every button he has as soon as they're off cooldown, the abilities barely make a dent in their healthbars, they are all sitting at 10% health not dying and the last dude takes so long to die that he has to speed up the video 10x. It's shit.
>>726076705yes he's playing a no damage full sustain tank build to 1v3 in retard tier arenasyou can see they're low gold rank at the end of the videoif they played at a higher tier he would have been taken out quickly but the people he was playing against are ass so it's basically an adult punting babies and he still almost lost
>>726076345>Dead Internet>Everyone plays games to follow guides and min/max as soon as possible>Scratch that, most people just watch streamers>Everything costs more and more as wages stay the same>Rapid loss of personal privacy >Rapid loss of ability to gain wealth and housing>People growing more and more divided and tribal>Already difficult to get decent jobs, now the onset of AI to cull a lot of jobs and careers>Governments stuck in the 90s>Every country becoming a melting pot of bullshitI dunno man, seems like we're in for a ride
>>726057763>team up with people, they wanna add me on steam>add on steamBro we weren't adding people on steam in 2006 to play MMOs, we just added them as friends in game. No one had troon flags either because it just didn't exist.Don't try to fit in in something you never participated at all then say it was shit.
>>726054950That just ruined the internet in general.
>>726077464Damn, I just realized it felt like there was a clear separation of someone being on the mmo and someone doing stuff in real life.With shit like Steam and Discord it feels like it's all mashed together.Yeah, some people did have like AIM and MSN but it wasn't common at all for people in MMOs to add each other on it, most of the talking happened in the mmos...Reminds me of real life and cell phones now. You can't really separate your life from people anymore...
>>726077738yeah its like that nowadays
>>726077231>internet needs an ID>you are forced to play as your actual gender
>>726060589>Like all of my favorite old places to farm like the cows or frogs behind lumbridge are just full of bots running back and forth instead of people just talking or trying to be funny in chat.its because you progress out of those areas extremely quickly with your adult brain. even the wow streamers who are trying to play osrs without guides realized afk training at crabs is superior to killing cows within a few days of starting playing for the first time
>>726076946I checked out some other videos and it wasn't much better. Everyone seems to have a very limited toolkit so there aren't many fun things you can do on your own to style on people, much like a moba the skill ceiling is about coordinating cooldowns with a group of players. 1vX is just rock paper scissors between classes, it's not what I'm looking for.
>>726077738>You can't really separate your life from people anymore...The fuck is this supposed to mean, of course you can
>>726078678Not really, at least not with any family/jobs/girlfriends I've ever had. You can do a day of peace or two sometimes, sure. But people these days have expectations they didn't have back then with the advent of cell phones
>>726059227>WoW is also generally to blameFinally someone wise.I agree with you and the rest of the anons you've answered to, but what you've said about WoW is something I've always said, myself. Despite being a popular MMO and whatnot, that shitty game brought a lot of bad consequences not only to MMOs, but also to other games as well. I also blame it for indirectly killing both Warcraft AND Starcraft, thus also crippling Strategy games as well.
>>726078359Well that's gay, I like girls clothes more in MMOs.
>>726056013did it have an open or closed beta or release earlier in another country?
>>726078643>1vX is just rock paper scissors between classesThat's every pvp game everThe fun comes from big engagements where everyone's skills come together
>>726079084I assume you mean every MMO pvp game ever cause most other pvp games aren't that. Like fighting games for example, tournaments wouldn't be all that fun to watch if matches were decided at the character select screen.Early iterations of WoW weren't that rock-paper-scissory, sure if you can play your class perfectly with ninja reflexes then maybe so but most people can't do that. There is a lot of room for skill expression and smart plays you can do on your own to beat any class, like utilizing your environment, LoS and elevation. Often times it just boils down to RNG though, like resists, crits and parries, they can help even things out a bit but it can also make it unfair, like a bad read on a 50/50 mixup in a fighting game.
>>726054819Everything can be undone.
>>726075752because normalfags are shitters who need a crutch.
>>726054735>needing a wiki for Fly For Fun>the game so vanilla it defined treadmill progression>kill monster at your level>level up>kill next level monster>repeat until lvl 120
>>726080193WoW is boring, just like Lineage 2 and most other MMOs that follow the same formula. Every character ends up falling into a set cookie cut. That class will always have the exact same optimal equipment, the exact same skills, you can't distribute the attributes well, etc.The best MMOs are the ones that allow the player to fully customize their build. Unfortunately, only a few managed to do it right, like Ragnarok Online.
>>726080959kiss your self
>>726054735Why is everyone obsessed with power leveling and burning through content rather than enjoy the journey?Why play somebody's journey and no make your own?For recognition? Cranother. Nobody gives a fuck that you soloed Dickus, god of prostate massages 107 times with every class. Go be a main character IRL and stick to being a tertiary character in your mmos.Your life will improve alot.
>>726080959That's assuming the only determining factor between winning and loosing are stats, it really isn't. When two players with matching gear shows up there is an element of skill involved, that's what distinguishes WoW from most other MMOs.
>>726054735>eSports >Min/max>Streaming >Social networks >Achievements race>Dps meters>Cheats/Mod community >F2P model with p2w elements>Gated content>Mobile gaming Even if someone made the perfect MMORPG it wouldn't least, today everyone hates each other, everyone only thinks about being time efficient, multiplayer games are filled with sweats that play games like their life depends on it, which also created a massive demand for p2w mechanics, cheats and mods that further deteriorates the game experience for everyone. The sad truth is that the most successful genres today are gacha slop which have a slight resemblance of what MMORPG was, but it is a fully solo game filled with micro transactions and p2w. Back then you walked on a major city in a MMO and wondered where a player got that cool skin for their gear, today you just open the cash shop to see how much it is. There's no saving for this genre and it's not the publisher's fault, people's mindset is completely different, I'm just glad that I was able to experience MMORPGs in their glory days.
>>726081201Everyone is out-FOMOing each other, and streamers/content creators know that rushing to the end gets them the biggest views, feeding into the FOMOVicious cycle
>>726080887I remember the game getting way too grindy once you reach level 60 with this approach, you pretty much had to do raids and clan stuff or whatever
>>726054735I used to play this game. I deleveled once after losing a fight and rage quit permanently
>>726081786I played it back when it didn't have many raids. Literally just 1 worthwhile raid that you could only do once per guild. Raids weren't even a main focus in classic Flyff. That's how vanilla the game was.
>>726081201Because the games in question are 20+ years old and the players have already played through them billions of times. Journeys are fresh produce and these ones expired long ago.
>>726080193>I assume you mean every MMO pvp gameAs the word "classes" was used I thought this was obvious but I guess I overestimated the intelligence of your average /v/ posterFighting games do have matchups that are 9:1, and people will actively switch off their characters if they have a bad matchup (most of the time people don't even play characters that have those kinds of matchups though). I thought you'd know this too since you used it as an example but I guess not.In games like modern wow there's very little balance when it comes to burst, healing, and CC so you either get stunlocked for an entire fight or you get bursted down before you can even move or you get incredibly long matches because healing is too strong. Depends on the patch really. In that case it's also rock paper scissors depending on the balance with very little room for skill expression.
>>726054735India and China ruined Mmos
>>726080887That's the point though. Lack of well documented information meant that each player's journey was a little different and more unique to themselves as they made connections since people weren't aware of data mining yet. How many normies knew about the Dekane mine? Or the secret room? Or that you could spawn hundreds of monsters to level quickly? Most went to Darkon 3.
>>726054950wow normies*
>>726082570MMOs were ruined by normalfags in first world countries before the floodgates even opened, anon.
>>726082901Normalfags like yourself.
>>726082901Who do you think the "wow normies" were?
>>726082412Let me clarify, I'm not saying they aren't rock-paper-scissory, I'm saying there is a discrepancy between games for how much like rock-paper-scissors they are. Obviously it varies between games, fighting games are actively trying to have a minimal amount of it otherwise the games wouldn't be fun to watch. The discrepancy between Street Fighter and WoW is quite big, but so is the discrepancy between WoW and Tarisland. The more like RPS a game is the more I take issue with it.
>>726054950improved
>>726057763>be me>get invited to join guild>join>"Sooooooo do you like touhou? :3">LeaveJesus christ, these people are forcing me to question my hobbies
>>726056431Damn, now i want to play tibia again.
>>726083015
Should I try Toram? Honestly seems like the only modern thing that captures the old Flyff spirit
>>726081201>cranother.Cringe*
>>726057763Ever think you could've gotten laid with some prime pussies if you are less of a douche?
>>726085460>muh dickrope yourself normalnigger tourist
>>726077464yeah nah i agree that time was better. i did ofcourse mean the time when steam was The Platform you install on PC
>>726084168you're so lame, anondon't you want to make friends?
>>726085460??? im not incel if that’s what you mean but i do hate women
>>726058342I WAS a RO vet. Played the game since first international beta. I was so addicted to it but I quit the fucking game when I realized people were botting extensively on top of RMT getting out of hand. Current day RO is a joke that only exists to drain you off p2w money. I'm not going back.
>>726085341/vm/ has a guild but they're prison gay fags tho it's to be expected from a current day mmo general>>>/vm/2057002
>>726054735even back during ragnarok online days there were wiki forums and guides
>>726085660Nobody plays official servers anymore, although they are still churning out content and even new classes. Picture related.
>>726085660Sad but true. It's a shame to see RO fall from grace so much. Like, I understand private servers needing the money to keep the servers running and all, but it's so lame seeing everything locked behind a paywall, or to see someone just spending real money to steamroll everything and everyone. At least it isn't so bad if you stick to PVE stuff... sometimes.
>>726085871One question, who's the artist(s) responsible for RO's sprites? I've been trying to figure it out for a while now, but I've never found a conclusive answer. I love the sprite work on RO.
>>726085719Cool, I'm kinda faggy myself so I'll probably get on if I give it a try
>>726085871>Druiddo they shapeshift?
>>726066785It's called meme not macro you dumb zoomer poser.
>>726085510>>726085654You're mad precisely because you know he told the truth.
>>726085341This looks good, might give it a try
>>726086271no ur mad
>>726085882Even in PVE there are a lot of stuff that you can't even do if your items are not optimised via p2w or RMT. The refinement system in particular is really bullshit and good luck getting +20 item without using cash shop. They're also putting bosses in dungeons that you can only enter by paying real money. Real stupid.
>>726085973I have no idea, I don't think it's really attributed to anybody.>>726086085Actually, yes. Bird and Wolf.
I did play Flyff when I was a kid. The game kinda sucked but I liked the aesthetic and the music was great, still listen to it now. Wish more games did whatever weird jazz/synthpop fusion that it did.https://youtu.be/Abs-pIeGj1c?list=PLYdKcCw-qLU6Osb5ktTpZxuWVM9AFRxLeNever played Ragnarok ever. I really wanna try it because of the aesthetic, but everything I hear about it points to it just being a complete grindfest and nothing else. Mashing monsters to see number go up doesn't really do it for me anymore. Is that really all there is to the game?I liked Mabinogi a lot, if that helps. Lots of cool systems, just pissed me off that the catch-up quests skip literally 90% of the game.
>>726055386>when the gay guy remembers his favorite MMO
>>726082758>Dekane mineTo this day I still find it amazing they released an unfinished dungeon and just left it that way for years. Teased a boss at the end and just scrapped it.
who /flyffworld/ here?
>>726080959Imagine if Archeage really did what it was supposed to, with the whole free-form multiclass system, instead of the Titanic that it was
>>726055386Now post the gay gif
>flyfflotta good memories with this oneI was a support whore ringmaster, just followed psykeepers to the high lvl zone and we reflect farmedthen I decided I didn't wanna play ringmaster anymore and I became a ranger when they came out and I had a hard time leveling but my ranger was a girl and she was cute and I made friends with one of the GMs and they literally powerleveled me by spawning a bunch of mobs and instakilling them I probably said some gay shit like "thanks baby <3" or something I was such a little faggot back in the day no this was not a private server it was the official one too lmao
>>726054735>Make an mmo>no dailies/weeklies >no raids>no bosses>no gacha shit>no check in events>very few events if any>very few quests>gameplay is just kill monsters, level up, then move on to the next monster>gears stop at level 50>levels stop at level 100-150>can pick up and put down the game whenever you want>don't listen to fans and if they dare complain just add more monstersMaybe Flyff was trying to teach us this was all we really needed.
My name is Giorgio Moroder and i approve this of thread, you know back in '79 i drove from Discothek to Discothek.
>>726088478Yea like being bored to death
>>726054735this is why i always asked players for info, rather than looking it up. felt fun to just interact with ppl.the worst offender was wow, since everyon not only said look it up, they got pissed u even asked. guilds kicked me out all the time for asking questions w/o googling first.but no other MMO was that extreme. i did get replies to look it up often in others, but not aggressively, and never kicked from any guild equivalent.the only mmo where a guild kicked me for trying to have small talk, was also in wow. (twice) since they said its reserved for serious discussion. and no one talked ever. i only joined to talk to people lol.
>>726088407Are GMs allowed to do that? I know they sometimes ran invasion events with hundreds of monsters attacking Flaris or the other main cities, but I figured they were only doing it from their work place. Would be funny if an actual GM was gooning on an obscure korean p2w MMO and because of that, your story has a chance of being true, kek.
>>726089352GM do what they want like hackers do
>>726054735>Flying newbies around in Mabinogi on my flying ice cream truck and the Valentine's handholding flightI miss it
>>726089352GMs in general were a lot more lax back in the day and as long as they weren't massively fucking up the economy they had some leeway in what they could do. Of course these days the moment something unique happens you'll get faggots crying on the forums,
>>726061624>Do something /v/ related>Nine_Ten is there trying to grift everyoneBiggest sign if something is /v/eddit or /v/
>>726089352GMs actually regularly interacted with their players. How this became such a lost concept I'll never know.>for no reason at all GMs spawns a bunch of raid bosses in towns and other safe zonesFly For Fun was the most fun solely because GMs used to fuck around like this a lot. Even better because when you died, you left a coffin containing your lost exp. Imagining logging in 1 day and seeing a massive amount of coffins in towns.
>>726054735Yo I was speaking to this dude I met while killing mobs or whatever on my level 20 OR 30 something character. We were discussing classes or something and he was like yo actually this is my alt and I have a level 70+ Slayer or Templar forgot the class. and he gave me his pw and acc name to test it out for a couple minutes roflmaoI wrote down the details and told the guy to never share his details again or he might lose his account to a scammer. I kept the note in my desk and logged on to it like twice years later but never actually played on it.
>>726054735do people even use wikis anymore or do they just ask ai?
>>726054735calm down unc
>>726054735Oh my fuck I still remember my times of Flyff>the blue golem monsters everyone fought over and atomized in a mere second because they were valuable fuel for flight>the naked catgirl caves that then lead to the absolute fuck you ruins box of megadeath hostile plants unless you were near end game levels>despite being a much lower level mage my Rock Crash combo would nuke higher level mages with upgraded sets with the shoulder glow effects who tried using the high level base spell because no elemental damage so no particular defenses against it but the rocks killed them by the 2nd and the rest just pummeled their corpses>tfw finally get the expensive blue hoverboard and you fly around the city to land on the airships then go travel between islands>Acrobat's fucking Junk Arrow damage gambling>Billposter buffs that turn you into a total crack beast
https://youtu.be/8uSfdsJ1S0USIGH.... better times
>>726091051>those first few soundsIt always had such a comfy, dreamy kind of vibe
>>726091051F
>>726091051now thats soulful machinema
>>726054735Random goth girl I liked introduced me to Flyff back in 9th grade. One of 3 gals I somehow got interested in me at the time, she was the artsy anime one. I failed to meet up with her in game at all but ironically she had a guy character because she said the girl outfits were too skimpy.I didn't realize how good I had it.Ended up playing the game mostly with sibling as we ran with double mages and double archers spamming junk arrow. I swear the girl characters have stat or luck bonuses because I watched duels just get obliterated despite being higher level with good gear
>>726054735>DiscordsThey just used IRC instead fuckwit
>>726076098>If you can excel at life enough to be considered normal thenNormalfags don't 'excel' at anything, they're just too braindead to realise their own slavery.
>>726057763>why do groomers think I'm young and groomable?>"put the fucking fries in the bag"
>>726088803i like these creative bumps far more than just 'bump' or '.' or tagging the op, if you ask me this kinda stuff should become the norm. img not rel
>>726090334Who?
>>726076098Yup people that excel at videogames mostly are "normalfags" and "carebears" and "forum posters" AKA "I suck at videogames and complain about how unfair they are and this is a huge part of my identity" are losers in game and in life winners usually are winners in the virtual and real life realm lololol
>>726055847>grand chaseThere's Classic and I think it's f2p friendly
I miss Flyff :(
>decide to play wow classic>discord server for your realm>discord server for your faction>discord server for your class>discord server for your guild>discord server for your dungeon/raid>discord server for your professionye
>>726093929I didn't like the game that much but I LOVED making money on it every evening I would browse all the vendors in Flaris? for underpriced items and then resell them for huge profits. waking up to check my sales and remaining inventory was magical the only time I felt happier waking up was probably next to my tight teenage girlfriend giving me a blowjob or something.The combat wasn't amazing and grinding to endgame PVP took too long for me but the world and soundtrack did have a special magic them. I played an elementalist and cheesed people in the arena or any other place one could have a duel by doing the dmg spell>cc>dmg>cc>dmg rotation or whatever. I could beat dudes like 7 levels higher than me.
>>726094536Honestly the Markets in the city were pure SOUL, it felt like browsing an actual bazar for secret wares. I remember longingly staring at all the cash shop items such as bikes, mounts and wishing I had enough money to get them. When I tried it again years later, it was sadly not a thing anymore since inflation caused priced of items to be like 300m+ and everyone was trading in Penya or w/e it was called.
parker you cunt reach out to me somehow faggotyou'll know who this ishttps://youtu.be/ksfWmJsQg4A
>>726054735MMOs were always shit
>>726095686iirc it's a bit hazy, I might have bought some gloves for my F2P level 30 something character. I wanted to get the tuxedo and sunglasses and probably could have afforded them but it would have affected my buying power too much rofl These games really do teach you a lot of financial life lessons.
>>726057763>>interact with community>>team up with people, they wanna add me on steamway to out yourself as someone who wasn't there
>>726058342RO was ruined by its own community. Official servers are the worst. Private servers are all awful.
I miss the mindless grindare there any private servers that don't have malware?
>>726076336I wish I had infinite money so I could make a bunch of MMORPGs experimenting with weird ideas that try to tackle the problems of players taking the fun out of the games.
>>726098848Yup back in the day we only added Steam friends on Steam games and we used Xfire instead of Discordt. a proud late millennial
>>726081217except most of the time WoW boils down to class matchups, cooldowns or even the amount of consumables used (in classic) if one of the players isn't massively higher in skill
>>726085341>>726086467Don't fall for it. It looks nice. When you start playing you almost get fooled that it might be a decent game. It is not. It is mobile trash through and through. Such a fucking waste of that developer making mobile trash when they clearly have the ability to make a proper game.
>>726099643not just mobile trashauto play mobile trash lol
>>726099574I only played during TBC but I became a top 3V3 arena player on WowScape PVT server IYKYKI played double frost mage/resto druid If you think that WoW arenas is about stat checking you are completely retarded! the first E-sports match I saw was probably TBC arenas world championship way back in the day. Tab Target PVP is not fucking runescape bruh like imagine having 20+ abilities and actives on your items and 5 other players in the game to keep track of and having to time cooldowns and interrupt/silence/fear people at the right time.
>>726054819culture is not done and undone, is a flexible fluid thing that changes through customs and common usage, just like languagejust as easily as it became this, it can become anything else
>>726099574Oh and I never lost to anyone in a duel ever except if they were a high elo hunter.
>>726054735>>726054950>newfags don't remember Gaia MMOs were always shit>>726054819The indifferent neglect of man can destroy anything, entropy always wins in this reality. You just need a bit of passion in order to rebuild from the ashes.
>>726099804last MMO I played for a bit was Archeage in the late 2010's seemed pretty samey to how it used to be back in the old days. Also played Mortal Online for a bit a few years before that all these people complaining about MMOS while it is true the genre is at a low right now are probably people that never played anything but RO/WOW/RS/LINEAGE 2/ or whatever lame normalfag RP/PVE noob Americans were playing back then.
>>726054735capitalism is what really ruined mmos and online gamesyou can avoid wikis and discord but not the old fucks who wants to put prices on every digital shit because retards bought horse armor
>>726061624this. I’ve joined four 4chan based discords and I hate all three of them. Two of them I left already, the other two I’m still a part of but basically don’t ever interact with them anymore except for one dude I talk to regularly
>>726075408>in EQ a group was 6 players>Then DAoC increased it to 8>WoW comes a long and lowers it to 5>Now every MMO is either 4-5 players in a group>Some even lowered it to 3
>>726099774>If you think that WoW arenas is about stat checkingI never said that
>>726100496I wish there were more games that managed a freeform party size and a variety of locations and viable strategies so that you could play without a full partyRO was interesting that you could always find something a party could do
>>726075408lol mate do you remember Guild Wars guild requirements??? I do agree that pre approving for easy PVE content is lame, I solved this back in the day by NEVER EVER joining big/acclaimed/well known guilds. Even back then all you had to do to avoid this issue is find normal people to group and play with. MMO's have always been inhabited by insane/authoritarian people you just have to avoid them.
>>726100908Ok fair enough. I do miss tab tab target c
>>726100908ombat and thought Blizzard using it for the WoW Battle Royale was really cool.
>>726075408i spent so many afternoons at that exact pygmy goblin camp
>>726056431https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3n_NsvGZSg
>>726101438people used addons back then but I chose not to because official tournaments forbade them. (never entered one) but if I did I would have an advantage over guys who practiced with addons turned on. Anyways, I can imagine WoW PVP going down the drain from 2 decades of visual cheats lol
>>726061624>terraria with /v/ was fun>minecraft with /v/ was fun>factorio with /v/ was.. a bit concerning>PEAK with /v/ was fun>noita with /v/ was fun>the /vm/ MMO ventures are alright, threads are semi-unusable because of schizos>ragna/v/ with /v/ and /vg/ was fun ingame, too many schizos in the threads though>DOMO with /v/ (okay this one was old) was fine>that roblox game with the shitty spooky mascots with /v/ was relatively pretty fun>/poeg/ in /vg/ is pretty shit thread wise but the people in the ingame chat channel are greatI could list out countless other games but I'd be here all day, either I've somehow been blessed by jesus himself to avoid every shitty spergy pitfall or you guys yourselves are insufferable.Considering how often threads are shit up by actual looneybin escapees while the ingame community is fine, I'm going with that option.
>>726102620how many posts do you have in the panty and stoking general on /a/?
>>726054735mesos pls F4
>>7261027130, why the fuck would I go to /a/ in 2025
where my flyff niggas at?new update hitting end of the month
>>726102783nigger don't fucking lie you're in the trannycord playing ragna roflmao
>>726103024What's the update? The last one I remember was them remaking the mine at the bang area and making it drop end game gear
Your old internet is dead The fun you were experiencing never came backAnd the sad part is you can't get off internetIt becomes your life
>>726103361Nice Japanese poem loserI am about to play some BF:2142 on a private server while listening to Bring Me The Horizon with fellow millennials.
>>726103039looneybin escapee exhibit 1
>>726102620>post random screencap from August 30, 2024>mentally ill escapee makes up retarded headcanon of me being some /a/ groomcord boogeymanThis is just further proof that you SHOULD play random shit with /v/irgins, you can just tell that this retarded semen siphoner would not set foot in a multiplayer lobby of sven co-op or helldivers 2.
>>726103746okay blue pot enthusiast btw you answered your own question
>>726079052>it's blizzard's fault that other companies got complacentzoomer faggots, you and the other guy
>>726104859No, but it's Blizzard themselves who decided to WoW worse with every new expansion. It's Blizzard themselves who decided to add retarded shit like matchmaking. It's Blizzard themselves who decided to make a shitty raidtroon game instead of a virtual world.
>>726103024Which server?I was crazy into it in 2008-2010, but I had to spend hundreds of dollars to get my Knight set +10, pierce my armor +5 for the attack boost, and upgrade my accessories too, on top of scrolling my fashion for specific stats I was looking for to get my Master Knight the right build with enough dex to block everything, enough stam to survive a BP ASAL and everything else into STR so I could also solo giants, CW and Meteonyker for money.I was in the top 5 Knights of my server.But I really don't want to put this kind of cash into a MMORPG ever again, when I decided to stop I put enough money into it to buy myself a fucking scooter...
>https://youtu.be/rI8Pv8pUMiY?si=wjNIvpODlbZS5iZe>that time a German player tried to warn the company that there was a severe breach and 65k account credentials had been leaked>that same player then hacked a GM's account because gPotato didn't do anything about it nor warned the affected players>proceeds to log into GM account to use server wide message pop ups to urge the players to change their passwords>spawns a gazillion mobs in cities to do something fun for the players
>>726105809gpotato was such a shit publisher
>>726055863>>726055196Explain how to revert internet culture, if you're so sure.
>>726106640Destroy all smart phones and tablets, make their production illegal. Done.
>>726106640Fire all the trannies in Silicon Valley and burn them at the stake!!!
>>726106640uuuuuh magnetic storm
>>726106640Usage of the internet restricted to those 115 IQ and above at minimumFurthermore, public execution for anyone who can't tell you how they'd feel if they didn't have breakfast this morning
You know what I wonder about? Back then I was a young teenager trying out every new MMO that released for a week or two. And I would ALWAYS connect with people that seemed to have a career, wife and kids and everything yet they had enough time to not only interact with me and the boys, but also competently play these MMOs.Nowadays I'm married with kids myself. And I barely have enough time to even play 1 or 2 SINGLEPLAYER games a year. How the fuck did these people manage to engage with guilds, conduct raids, be active in forums and play multiple MMOs at all times.
>>726055359Not at all, China just invades white internet with millions of their bots while ruining and throwing feces at everything behind their gayass chinknet
>>726054735Here we go again!>wikis and discords ruined MMO!>they didn't even ruin EVE
>>726107908(You).
>>726108092funny how the poopsocks turned into trannies.
>>726108092EVE's only information worth knowing about is all emergent gameplay by users' day to day chichanery, the game is just a different beast and nothing about it is applicable to other MMOs that attempt to have a non-spreadsheet game world.
>>726108092EVE is a sandbox PvP MMO, being a wikifag doesn't make you a smarter player. The wikicope and discord cope is only applicable to themepark MMOs.
>>726108092>>they didn't even ruin EVEEVE was a spreadsheet simulator for autistic fucks from the start though?
>>726081867>I deleveled once after losing a fight and rage quit permanentlyfiltered
>>726103298new lvl cap at 1903rd job change with many new skillsnew continent and dungeons etc.>>726105780BurudengYeah the cash shop thing is insane...yes fp2 is possible but u need to be VERY lucky with your drops
>walk around asking "br? br?">get a "sim">mercilessly kill them and take their loot
>>726108770>The wikicope and discord cope is only applicable to themepark MMOs.Themepark MMOs are completely fine. Well may discords are a little bit of problem.If I want to have "14 yo retard playing his first MMO or video game ever" experience I can get it with my LARP in modern themepark MMOs too. You know, asking retarded questions, talking with everyone I see, pressing wrong buttons, wearing wrong gear.You see such people in EVE online even up to this day.
>>726108092I was about to agree but then I remembered that this only applies to vanilla because of the terrible balancing making most classes have completely useless specs, yet the seethe continues into TBC despite everything being viable. How do you explain that?
Why are people pretending like third worlders are a new thing? MMOs were filled to the brim with SEAniggers and Brazilians back then. If there was a shooting mechanic replace the SEAniggers with Slavs instead.
>>726054735>discordsMaybe, wikis however? No way. The wiki is not the issue, the real time slop machine pumping out guides and metas on youtube is the real problem. Even for older mmos I remember scouring trough the wiki and then trying to find those things in the game. However, with the current state of gaming, you will literally have the whole market/meta change based on some fuck putting out a video. 0 thought behind the eyes of the drones that follow it, but they will go on a crusade to defend it as absolute information. If their streamer buddy said rogue is a bad tank, you will now be forbidden to evade tank in parties even if you know that you can tank better with rogue than 99% of the populace can tank on the "meta" pick. This shit just leads to less and less people signing up for garbage like this. Oh and the games don't respect your time, so why bother grinding garbage in a game like this if you can get a dopamine hit in a faster paced game.
>>726109090I can't imagine playing Flyff as a pure F2P, that just sound so fucking painful.What makes money these days? Sun/moonstones? I assume giant drops are worthless now? Same with Clockwork stuff?Heck, I assume Azria or whatever new version they created for newer levels is still behind the cashshop too?
>>726054735If there's anything that's ruined MMOs, it's the same thing that's ruined multiplayer in general: the audience. People today seem a lot less interested in experimenting and learning the ropes, and instead want/expect a steady drip-feed and a treadmill. When you have people who genuinely don't see the point in playing a game unless there's something to unlock, it should be pretty obvious what's gone wrong. Games aren't made to be fun anymore, they're made to maximize user engagement, user retention and recurrent revenueReject multiplayer, embrace fun
>>726109462>Why are people pretending like third worlders are a new thing?4chan/sharty zoomers are trying to fit.Best MMOs are the ones where you can play with entire world. Like XI, EVE and any eu servers lol.
Everything became corporate, and people became their own CEOs. Even in your hobbies, what really matters is your performance in numbers. Byung-Chul Han provided some great analysis of this phenomenon.
>>726109462>Why are people pretending like third worlders are a new thing?probably because there's HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS more of them than there used to be
>>726110000doesn't look like much changed to me
>>726110000>wawamustats
>>72611000080% of MMO residents were third worlders with ESL babble back then as well, you just ignored them.I would bet that if you would play a MMO nowadays the proportion of third worlders would actually be lower than back then because most younger third worlders will just play smartphone games instead nowadays.
>>726110130>you just ignored themAlso a lot native speakers type like ESL because it is not big deal.
>>726110130The ones speaking Swedish, German and French weren't third worlders anon
>>726110130>80% of MMO residents were third worlders with ESL babble back then as well, you just ignored them.no?back then it used to just be 'that one guild' of brazilians, a handful of small russian groups, and the occasional nomadic chinese gold sellers that were ahead of the curve on RMT bullshit before it all became automation bot programsi remember it quite well, because that was a time where one specific country, a very poopy country, a very arrogant country full of shit-worshipping raperats called india, did not have internet accessyou wouldn't believe how much i miss the brazilians now that they're around
>>726110304LOL
>>726054735>flyffMost of the fun of flyff was the novelty of flying around and some of the eccentric class design choices. Acrobat/Jester being a yo-yo ninja (or a BJ but that's less interesting) and psykeepers being able to build vit and just crucio spell reflect damage was bonkers to me. Grindcore is an awful genre and it trapped a genuinely good set of ideas much like gacha has in modern times.>wikis ruined the gameWikis are made by users, users make guides, users also make errors. The true enemy is optimization and the majority of players pushing for self-sufficiency to an unsociable degree. "It's rude to suck at wow" and all that. Our hunger for knowledge is our undoing, because that's what we do when we play games. We learn, we scribble down our data, share our data, compare notes, that's how a lot of older games were. Then when it's all done it rots away because the community solved it. That's why MMOs can't last, they aren't forever games. They're zombies. They constantly need new content that throws people off or it stagnates. Sometimes that requires making an entirely different game, something that breaks conventions, is unknown, has non-functioning features that have to be tested. In a familiar game, you will have a constant understanding of its framework, what makes it tick, and so there's little to really solve if something new shows up.But moreover the decline started when facebook showed up, because normal (stupid) people who would have balanced out these communities and the expectations of the average player all flocked to facebook for social interaction instead. All that remains is the nerds who want to grind out their lives and that makes the worlds a lot less colorful or inviting to stick around in. These shitty mmos that you just grind forever in don't feel so terrible when you are talking to people to pass the time. It's why they all face the complaints of the grind now, there's nobody talking to fill in the void.
>>726110353SAARs are renting free in your head lowercase posting zoombro. They don't even play in your region because of giant latency.
>>726110476don't know what you're implying but it's most likely incredibly retarded
>>726110561>tourists whine about lowercase nowwhat are you fags going to fuss over next
>>726110353>and the occasional nomadic chinese gold sellers that were ahead of the curve on RMT bullshit before it all became automation bot programsI remember when AION released in 2009, all the servers world bosses were camped by fucking chinks and they were selling the gears for a crazy piece, while also selling the gold to buy said gear....
>>726054735Everyone copying wow's terrible unsustainable designed ruined mmo's
>>726110653>tourists whine about lowercase nowNice self-expose newfriend bro. Also slavs didn't play on your servers too. Especially back in old days.
>>726110749>unsustainable design>has been operating for 20 years and still uptrending interest to this day
>>726110653The only reason you'd use lowercase is if you don't want to be taken seriously.
>>726110791>>726110810>midwits high-horsing over their phone's autocorrectgrim
Anyone was in a guild called virus back in 2006-2008?
>>726110883>phoneposter
>>726110883>can't find the shift keyYou're worse than a phone poster
>>726110810>>726110791NTA but if you use uppercase I immediately assume you're a phoneposter
>>726110962i'm not the failed male bickering over legible formatting, gayboy
>>726110807They themselves have said that they cannot keep up with the content cadence they've designed themselves into. The game is also a husk of its former self.
There's this one MMO, which is very similar (graphic and style wise) to Flyff that's somehow still online to this day that I've meant to try called Seal Online.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGMcPYin1XQ&list=PL9D0D55DFC2F2858E&index=11Its OST is very good too, I kinda want to give it a honest shot, I adore the low poly + cellshading style.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXTIW5ZM2CYIt seems to be pretty popular in Indonesia too
>>726111026You are though cause you're purposefully typing "I" in lowercase just to get a rise out of people.
>>726111080yet they're placating every single member of their customer base by adding their first iteration of Player Housingi don't think you understand how hard that's going to cement their next 5-10 years of sustainability, just with that new feature alone (they're 1000% going to pull a Sims and whale people out on furniture packs if they're shameless enough to sell mounts at their current prices)
>>726109331>Themepark MMOs are completely fine.No they aren't, not anymore. They've been bastardise into these PSO/GW1 knockoffs where you're forced to follow a shit story to unlock content/features. And said content is just matchmaking into an instance to brainlessly kill shit or raidlog. Even the questing, that used to define themepark MMOs, is fucking worthless now since they all just rush you to endgame. Most of them could remove their open-worlds and nothing would change.
>>726105294it's funny because WoW classic was considered kiddieshit casual slop by every single MMO player back on its release
>>726054735holy shit a flyff threadi was such a loser in school because of theis stupid gameyet i do not regret playing it...
>>726109897Yup Americans will never know what the actual MMO experience is like jajajajajajajajajja>>726110130>3rd worldersYou mean first world countries that speak multiple languages and don't house 1/5th of the world's prison population lolololololololololol>>726110523>grindcoredon't call it that, it sounds lame.I do agree completely, I quit FlyFF because I didn't want to spend 100's of hours before I got to do endgame PVP. Now I know this is part of the MMORPG experience but it just didn't seem worth it in this particular case.>>726111381This was just people that were salty they couldn't pay for a subscription or disliked a game being popular and not janky and unbalanced. I myself couldn't pay so I played on a pvt server shout out WoWscape I was one of the top arena players on the insta 70 server.
>>726110130>80% of MMO residents were third worlders with ESL babble back then as well, you just ignored them.This was only if you played F2P KMMOs. A subscription fee easily filtered out the majority of third worlders.
>>726111325I'm not talking about actual modern MMO design but more about "wiki did this". You're right about modern mmo obviously.
>>726111484Bro it's a flyff thread. This thread is precisely about those random MMOs of which hundreds a year released at its peak in the early 2000s. It was swamped with third worlders back then.
>>726111381True, but it was still designed like an MMO, rather than a shitty tab-target boss fight simulator.
>>726103024can't play on original servers. don't want a second job for when I come home from work
>>726111381>kiddieshit casual slopThis is just anecdote people like to parrot. "Every single MMO player back on its release" was abandoned. Everyone dropped them to play WoW.
>>726111608Guild Wars wasn't even advertised as an MMO -_- the developers called it uhhh I had to look it up a CORPG competitive online role playing game. Now that sounds like music to my ears!
>>726111608>insulting tab-targetTab-target > action shit
>>726111704look out for the next flyff FWC server next year they are very popularthose event servers run for about 6 months with 3x exp, 3x droprate and also upgrade rate doubledafter the server ends u can transfer to the normal serversits by far the easiest way to grind up an offical flyff char
>>726111381Yea because MMO players at the time didn't actually like playing games, they just wanted to hoard "secrit knowledge" about how the game worked and lord over other players because of it. The only reason they could do this was because the devs at the time were awful and implemented terrible features that were hard to understand, pair that with a complete lack of tutorials and you had the perfect secret club for autists to feel special.WoW opened the genre for the rest of the world and outsold every other MMO 1000:1, it was glorious.
>>726111480>You mean first world countries that speak multiple languages and don't house 1/5th of the world's prison population lololololololololololI would prefer slavs, finns and arabs in my party than german shitters of fucking FROGs. Or brits. In the year 2025 brits still have the shittiest possible connection in EU region for whatever reason.
>>726054950>MASSIVE multiplayer online>the masses ruined itMost intelligent MMO enjoyer.
>>726112518>. In the year 2025 brits still have the shittiest possible connection in EU region for whatever reason.their connection is gated through at least ~8 different intelligence agencies monitoring every little fucking thing they do (not exaggerated) and it ends up choking their national bandwidth to deaththey've basically throttled their entire country in the way comcast used to do (still does?) to individual customersyou'd probably get a laugh over how often the remaining unmurdered populace of whites get arrested for complaining about immigrants slaughtering their neighbors like pigs (also not exaggerated)i'm not sure the redcoats quite deserved this, but at least we get to watch from a distance
>>726112763This is what happens when you invite terrorists into your country and ask them to rule your institutions, Iran 2.0.
>>726054735You forgot Garbage Creator who is officially endorsed by every fucking companies to shit out as many garbage as they can on the internet.
>>726112194I agree, but turning MMOs into a shitty boss fight simulator is retarded and boring.
>>726112518>prefer slavs finns and arabsYo this is one of the craziest statements I have ever read lol Is it because Arabs and eastern euros suck up to Americans and kiss your penis with their lips in the virtual space??? I noticed some countries try to fit in more with anglo internet culture for some reason. French people imo are some of the coolest people I've met online since the early 2000's and Germans are ok I suppose. Anyways, on the old internet and I'm sure it still applies, but probably not as much as back then, Russians were hated by everyone on the euronet for being antisocial shitheads. Everyone else got along mostly.
>>726113407nowadays it's the inverse of this and the brand shows up first and zoomies just copy it anyway, you think tiktok memes are organic? and influencers? kids today just watch 1.5-hour long advertisements
>>726113809>you think tiktok memes are organic? and influencers?>nowadayseverything has been fake and gay since before you were born, anon
>>726113676>French people imo are some of the coolest people I've met online since the early 2000'st. Frog.They got terrible reparation in online games in the last decade. Basically replaced slavs from 00s.
>>726112260oh I did not know that. when is the next event supposed to begin? I have some other games I wish to finish
>>726112194Nah action shit is fundamentally better but most MMO-devs can't make fun action games, it's like when Square tried to make Final Fantasy action games after a lifetime of pumping out turn-based slop with barely any gameplay, they were complete amateurs. The same is happening in the MMO sphere.
>>726114701Not like action game devs can make fun action games, and they don't even have to deal with online features like netcode or Aussies playing with 400ms ping.
>>726099736thought this was going to be quoting blue protocol lol (sigh)
>>726115337With titles like Elden Ring taking the world by storm I think you're wrong, it even has an online component. Tab-target always were just a temporary solution until something better comes along, Most of the new MMOs coming out are trying their hand at action combat these days.
>>726114701>fundamentally betterIt's not. Zero RPG mechanics. Shitty mashy wannabe DMC dogshit combat. Latency depended and unplayable in large battles. Plus region locked shit instead of true MMO.If your action combat MMO has no friendly fire and physical collusions + physics it's shit by default. And it will never have friendly fire and physical collisions.
>>726054735devs could design games in a way that makes it beneficial to hoard information so it doesn't get on the wifi, but that takes effort on their part
>>726057763>old MMO friend troons outsad to see
>>726116390>Zero RPG mechanics. Shitty mashy wannabe DMC dogshit combatThese are just game design things, devs have full control over how they're designed and it varies greatly from game to game.Latency in larger battles is a valid concern but I'd say there comes a point where battles have too many players and it just turns into a mindless zerg where the largest group of players win which isn't any fun, I'd argue that it's way more important to make the game function well in smaller scale battles.Friendly fire would just turn it into a stupid grief fest with "accidental" AoEs killing everyone, not even tab-target games have that so I don't see how it should be required for action combat.
>>726115769ER is a 5 player co-op game, and it still sucks balls with its netcode, but normaltards don't know any better. And ok, I don't bother checking new MMOs so there is a possibility that I'm wrong, but New World that was hailed as the best gameplay system ever is barely a step up from Wildstar
>>726111296I like how you're proving me correct.
>>726117831At one point in development New World was a pretty good action combat game but they added a bunch of accessibility features to it that are generally considered poison to action combat like magnetism and a lack of feedback from hitting your target by removing hitstun on normal hits. Amazon had this new server tech that allowed them to employ a much more intricate combat system for a game that holds way more players than your typical action MMO, 4500 players on a server I believe, that's the same or more than WoW. So from a technical standpoint it is possible to make good action MMOs, Amazon just had bad designers.
>>726054735I remember an mmo where you're an actual airship flying around shooting things but whenever I would try to research it to find it's name flyff would always pop up
>>726117443>Friendly fire would just turn it into a stupid grief fest with "accidental" AoEs killing everyone, not even tab-target games have that so I don't see how it should be required for action combat.It kills purpose of action combat. You want action combat without tab target yet you don't want your attacks to affect others...like in tab target game. It's just mashy wannabe DMC.Grief fest? You play bad = your kill your party. You kill your party or people on purpose = you get bad reputation in game like in...real MMO. Actionfags just want actionslop combat for dopamine rush mashing and nothing more.
>>726118347how? that's but one of dozens if not hundreds of easy gimmicks accessible to them at any time - they don't need to mollywhop every collective feature all at once if they can slow-burn it so generationally that you and i will both be long-dead before they're even reaching the half-way point of their marketing potential>erm it's unsustainable because eventually the sun will explode, checkmate retardokay sure you got me, *~*~*~you win~*~*~*
>>726118418Bad designers, bad players, yeah, yeah, heard it all already. Call me when there's a good game, not a good idea.
>>726118885They're moving their sustainability plans more and more away from their original design because they couldn't keep up with the work they created for themselves? Why do you think content keeps getting cut and the patches keep getting delayed?
>>726118793If anyone is mashing it's tab-target players as they're spamming the next step of their rotation while waiting for the GCD to reset, I know because I have been playing them for 10+ years. I want action combat because a proper action game makes every decision you make matter, much like the webm you posted. Whether or not it has friendly fire has nothing to do with it.
>>726054735>>726055196>>726080784>>726099849>>726099804The thing is: You can't change the information age. Is it "technically possible"? Yes, but to get there you need a change that is too big to happen in our life time: You need to kill global communication. You need to shut the internet down, phone networks down etc, while still having computers. That is the ONLY way to meaningfully stop people putting info up on how to get and beat certain sections.
>>726054735Eh, I agree with Discord being shit but I've interacted with a lot of people asking stuff in MMOs, usually questions about how to get X or Y material/item or how to complete a quest.Remember that laziness is king for most people, why open a browser and google shit when you can ask in the in-game chat?
>>726119310>Whether or not it has friendly fire has nothing to do with it.Again it kills the best part of action combat. Your actions affect environment around you physically, there is no tab target. 10 people can't stand in one 1x1 meter square and spam AOE and attacks like in tab target MMO or fucking Elden Ring gankspank session. The positioning matters. The dragon can swing his tail like in Monster Hunter and knockdown everyone around. The caster can miss the dragon and hit his own party member with fireball. This is the action. Without all this action combat in MMO is just a mindless actionslop.
>>726120291I get your point but you're looking at it from a perspective of small scale pvp like Dark and Darker where four people meet in a hallway and your friend steps in front of you, to think that this would be even remotely fun in a game with thousands of players is completely retarded.
>>726120546>to think that this would be even remotely fun in a game with thousands of players is completely retarded.It will be fun. Chivalry 2 and Mordhau have friendly fire for example . People will learn, adapt, die. It's part of the charm. I'm not talking for full loot drop game.
>>726121356Actually after thinking a bit I take that back, there are some scenarios where this could be pretty great. I kept imagining scenarios where 40 players were trying to hit a human-sized boss but keep hitting each other, or 50v50 battles where you're forced to stand in the back line out of fear of hitting friendlies. Griefers killing everyone in the streets when they're just trying to buy cabbages.If the attack hitboxes are small enough like they usually are in a first person game then it probably could work, it would add an extra layer of strategy for example when fighting an enemy in a tight corridor with a 10 man group. You'd have to rotate players in and out so they don't hit each other. It might be fun.
>>726109556lmk if you find out because i also feel like ive hit a wall
>>726121934If you look at something like ESO or even WoW the positioning is already inherited in player genes because of boss mechanics. Also as I remember Warhammer Online had body blocking and GW2 had LOS blocking. Eve Frontier cryptoscam has LOS blocking and friendly fire.
>>726078985>But people these days have expectations they didn't have back then with the advent of cell phonesYeah I feel that. People are definitely more entitled regarding taking your time. I wish I was born in a time when letters were the main method of communication. I don't want to talk with my family every week, but if I refuse to do so it damages the relationship in a way that wouldn't have happened 50 years ago when I would have only seen them once every few months and they would have been glad for that.
>>726080959>That class will always have the exact same optimal equipment, the exact same skills, you can't distribute the attributes well, etc.So? Lineage 2 has 36 classes, is that not enough diversity for you nigga? Take Tanks for example, Humans had 2, Paladin and Dark Avenger, one is heal oriented the other skirmish oriented with a summon. Dark Elf Templar is debuff oriented, Elf Templar is buff oriented, but of course they all tank just fine in raids. Dark Elf and Elf were better in 1 vs 1 PVP while Paladin was better in party PVP and Dark Avenger was incredible at solo leveling. And you can still end up customizing your class with various dyes and equipment, so that you either become PVP focused, PvE focused, tank, heal, support, damage focused, etc. Most games that let you "fully customize your build" always end up having only 1 or 2 gigabuilds that everyone else copies anyway. Forcing class restriction attributes ironically allows for greater diversity.
>>726054735I used tipit for runescape in the 2000s. Sue me.
