>>726056981
stella montis in particular is just full of people running around shooting at everyone they meet, they don't even loot, it's basically a cod lobby

>>726056981
there are way too many players in the map, and if someone extracts or gets kille others can join in late, unlike hunt where you could potentially count how many bodies you see to know how many live players remain. This turns the game into a pvp slopfest where you can't even stay alone for more than a minute, especially on smaller maps, and if you kill someone you immediatly attract the other 10 near you so you die regardless, you don't even have time to build some tension, it's just shoot shoot shoot.

>>726058257
Has this game already descended into PvP sweats being sweats?

how is this different from tarkov where you just go naked with a pistol

>>726056981
if you want to farm just spam buried city and loot hospital, space travel, library.

>>726056981
Git gudder

The new map is dog shit. It's just a CoD TDM map.

>>726059991
yes, just a week ago I met most 1 person per lobby that shot on sight, now everybody does it, you're essentially forced to do it too because the moment a "friendly" player gets behind you get blasted, you barely have the time to loot anything because maps are filled with people actively chasing pvp and even if you drop them you gain nothing because their backpacks are empty like OP said. I think I'll take a break until they at least drop the number of players per lobby, or the cod kids get tired.

>>726060451
when everybody does it, you can't do zero to her runs because nobody runs more than a lvl1 stitcher, and you don't really need more than that to drop other players so it's not like looting better gear matters, that means the game in a span of two weeks already devolved into a more convoluted cod where everyone spawns with "scav" loadouts, runds around the map to kill other players, then don't even bother to loor or extract but just exists the lobby and starts another one.

>>726060793
Damn. I've always hated PvE games that have a PvP aspect because it eventually turns into a PvP-only game, and if I wanted to deal with assholes and retards that waste my time I'd be at work.

>>726060519
I need to do the quest and the flow controllers don't spawn onther maps afaik, but the new map is just gunfights every minute you can barely traverse it.

>>726061463
yeah ARC will do the same thing unless they tone down the PvP a lot. PvE players will just stop playing eventually

>>726061463
it was inevitable, the devs should have avoided false advertising this game with cool player interactions and the possiblity of teaming up with others when it was true for only one week, now it's just like every other pvp game but with worse shooting and mechanics.

I don't understand why people play this game and then seethe about pvp. It's an extraction shooter, pvp is the only thing that makes it interesting. Just play something else

>>726061954
because the pvp sucks in this game and actually hurts your enjoyment, when I want to fight other players in and extraction shooter I play hunt showdown, If I want mindless shooting I play battlefield, this game was meant to be different but fails miserably and does worse than other games.

>>726061954
the premise and environments piqued my interest and I've always liked games where you have to work together to make it to the end.

>>726062137
so you listed two games you actually enjoy playing. does somebody have a gun to your head forcing to play this one or something

>>726061954
some pvp is fine, in a game like this it's meant to spice things up, but right now every player you meet is a gunfight, and you meet way too many of them in really tight spaces, sometimes players even spawn on top of eachother and you die 30 seconds after joining, it's not fun, pvp in arc should be rare and enjoyable, but you get it so much fighting the robots became a rarity, what's the difference from fortnite at this point.

>>726062229
ever hear of menu-fatigue?

>>726062229
arc managed to scratch a different itch, but it lasted only a week now it's a worse version of other games and it left me itching even more than before.

>>726062425
I guess it's unfortunate that everybody else on earth isn't playing a multiplayer video game in the exact way you want but framing that as the correct way to play seems a bit unrealistic

>>726062673
it's the way the game was advertised to be and what the devs promised to offer

>>726059991
I've been playing on Xbox and most players are friendly. It must just be PC players that are cringe

>>726062673
people wouldn't play like that if players didn't literally spawn on top of eachother in a small map filled until the servers explode, the devs overtuned the pvp way too fucking much, it was fine bofre the new map dropped, now the cancer spread to the other maps too.

>>726063006
Is it not cross-platform?

>>726056981
tha game has serious balance issues, there is zero reason not to use free loadouts or even just spawn in without an augument and only a grey weapon, everyone realized it too, just spawn in stella montis with a sticher and kill as many people you can, eventually you get something you want, put it in your prison pocket and then log out, rinse and repeat.

What are we critiquing here? Free loadouts? The player base? Extraction shooters as a whole?

>>726056981
the game was fun when people interacted, now that evreyone shoots on sight it's ruined for me, such a shame

>>726063046
I think youre mixing up the fact that 1, casuals are already leaving which only the more serious players remain. 2. the players with an even temperament have been betrayed and burned multiple times and now have become shoot on sight. and D. with people getting a grasp on looting and keys and the general flow of the game they realize the true value is in the pvp

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>spawn
>literally right in front of someone before the screen even finishes fading from black

>>726064282
>casuals are already leaving which only the more serious players rema
The game just hit a new all time peak of players. Nobody is leaving.

>>726059991
It seems heavily region dependent. The problem too is not how "sweaty" the PvP is. If anything it's the opposite. Freekit players lose nothing by just running in and lighting up the first person they see and then restarting if they end up dying

>>726064938
The game rules. Im glad its doing well.

Yeah i just RDM everyone and even pretend to be friendly before killing people just to make them quit and kill this slop game

>>726064865
multiple cases of that, sometimes I die before the game even fully loads, I have no idea how the devs thought having so many players in the same map was a good idea

>>726066697
they also need to fucking remove spawning 15 minutes in, what's the fucking point? The majority of people already extracted and everything has been looted.

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So what's the cope now that it hit a new all time peak over two weeks after release? Two more months? Or are we switching to the 'gamers are sheep' goalpost?

>whole lobby of solos teams up on Stella Montis
>they want to kill the Bastion
>this is my moment
>entire squad is raining down lead from above
>I jump down on top of the Bastion
>plant a Deadline mine
>run away
>BOOM
>the entire squad is looking around saying who was that crazy bastard
Felt more badass than any PVP victory.

>>726063551
>playing with filthy cheaters, chinks, russiand and other thirdy subhumans
nah bro, I'm good

>>726058257
this is my biggest gripe, the maps are WAY too player dense, particularly solos
no map should have more than 10 max players, and i'm torn on the mid raid additions. part of me hates them, part of me likes them (could also just be bias since i just spawned into stella montis with 18 min left right next to the seed vault and got to loot in peace for like 7 minutes before someone stumbled upon me but thankfully they were chill)
they need to cut the number of solo players down to like 1/4 what they are now
otherwise 9/10 game with a few menu/ui tweaks they could make
unfortunately i doubt they'll go this route given the huge success and positive reception the game's getting

>>726056981
Turn off crossplay if you can't handle having to fight other players.

>>726064865
time for a faster SSD
but curious what everyone's quickest spawn has been?
Raids are supposed to be 30 minutes but even on a fresh raid with a gen 5 pcie ssd i spawn in with 29:30 - 29:40 on the clock

>>726069361
>playing on console
>claims PC players are chinks, russians, and thirdy subhumans

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Post hauls

>>726069878
the game having success doesn't mean they don't have to fix anything, if there's enough feedback they might think about reducing the numbers of players per map, it would also help fixing the horrible server desync problems.

>>726058257
>>726069878
Its really ez. Buff shields. Lower TTK across the board for all guns. Nerf greys and greens in their damage. Freekits can only spawn 10 mins into a raid.
EZ.

>>726070256
the rusted gear is the only valuable in there

>>726070747
that and reducing players and the game is perfect, also no late spawn if you have a proper loadout.

What's the in-lore reason for cabinets and shelves restocking themselves indefinitely? How is it that in lore places like dam battlegrounds still has loot in it?

>>726070065
I have a suspicion that the timer starts when you do the unskippable walk to your launch pod/tube thing.

i didnt think id ever in my life have to explain PvP to an honest to god retard but well you see OP, if you bring a free loadout the likelihood you have a gun better than what someone who didnt is carrying is low. Now obviously if youre better than them you will win any encounters but the idea of the game is not to die and if someone rolls up on you with a bettter gun youre going to have a tougher time not dying.

If you dont enjoy the loop then thats the game, loot goblin tendencies only carry you so far as completing the next objective, KOS tendencies are their own enjoyment i really hoped youd be able to understand on your own

>>726069085
Next you have to do it on the matriach or queen

>>726070661
reducing player count would also increase the distance between spawns so you don't get pvp within a minute of spawn when nobody has any loot to fight over
>>726070747
i think they need to differentiate the shields more, they all feel mostly worthless but they can't take it too far to the point where gear is a bigger differentiator in fights than mechanical skill
what i'd rather see than weapon balance changes (other than reducing ttk a touch across the board) would be to remove the gear based matchmaking
that's just a bad idea
make basic weapons a bit worse but i don't agree with any skill or loadout based matchmaking system

>>726071274
its an abstraction for gameplay- youre not implied to be visiting the exact same house every single time, in-lore youre simply going up to the surface every time. That you yourself know where that house is explained away by you simply knowing the area due to experience.

>>726056981
>/v/irgin is too autistic to use voice chat
>gets killed like the silent dog he is

>>726069934
This. Console niggers are almost exclusively kill on sight players that don't ever use comms/emotes.

How the fuck do I get good at PVP?
I always get my shield removed in one shot and barely have any time to reposition, run back and heal. There's almost no room for counterplay if you don't get the first shot off or have an advantageous position.
And holy fuck what is the point of putting so many movement options in the game if just getting hit ONCE drains all your stamina and you can't even run/sline/roll away from the fucker that shot you.

>>726071704
>make basic weapons a bit worse
why exactly? basic weapons tied to free kits aren't even that good in PvP and barely passable against ARC

>play during evening hours
>majority of players are friendly
>trying to do quests or gather items or just hunt for ARC
>play during nighttime
>everyone is a PvP tryhard with zero communication
explain this shit to me. what makes my items during the night more desirable than they are during the day. I'm not taking about in-game nights but IRL

>>726075053
The only people that stay up until 1am playing video games are NEETs who play the game 24/7
Friendly normalfags have to go to sleep.

>>726075053
its like that with every game.

>>726056981
There's obviously some kind of matchmaking, if you take free gear you're more likely to run into other people doing the same. If you take better loot then you tend to run into better players with more at stake.

Stella Montis is by design a close range maze of a map, it's the only of the 5 that is all indoors, if you prefer more range to fights, then play the other maps?

PvP is utterly fine, but there's spergs who run free kits because of their gear fear, most of those players will be gone early on once they realise that PvE is average and they refuse to PvP.

>>726074459
You're getting beamed with rifles which are punishing if your 1 shot misses, if you're doing this at long range you're not going to make progress unless you have one yourself. Don't get caught in the open, move between cover with more close combat weapons. You have a lot of utilities, use them, smoke confounds peekers with rifles, running through it with a shotgun will tilt them.

Know when to push players when they're on the backfoot, if you can close the gap and catch them when they're healing thats an easy kill.

You dont have to go at every player you see, you can retreat from a fight, circle around, lay a trap if they follow. You should always have options to reposition if your angle is bad.

Use medium shields which wont crack in 1 hit, too many players are hording old/bad gear and trying to rely on free kits, you should be taking decent loadout reguarly once your benches and quests are done.

>>726071704
>remove the gear based matchmaking
There is no such thing.

>>726078634
Load in with an arc kit, the whole lobby will have hullcrackers and jupiters

>>726078634
there is, the devs are just lying about it

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How come every time i try to do a quest i spawn on the opposite side of the map from it

>>726078819
I've loaded in with good kits and still had rounds with almost entirely free loadouts.
There is no gear based matchmaking, the devs even confirmed this.

>>726078868
Sure buddy.

>>726057336
This. Fucking hate the map. And it’s ALWAYS nonwhites that will shoot someone for no reason in solo play. And they will ALWAYS immediately die themselves right after. Dumb niggers can’t think ahead,and go guns blazing when there are numerous arcs around. So after they down you,they get downed by the arcs they just alerted with their gunfire.

>>726060776
This. Before the new map I could count on one hand my “bad” experiences in solo play. After the new map? Near every game an actual mouth breathing nigger kills me out of nowhere. The PVP wouldn’t suck such ass if it wasn’t LITERALLY EVERY TIME that the person who shoots 1st wins(unless they’re a retard and miss their shots,which has happened a whopping ONCE of my dozens of hours). And want to know how many times the dumb nigger is immediately killed by the arcs he just alerted by lighting me up? Literally every. Single. Time. It’s odd the devs made PVP when you and others get NOTHING out of it.

>>726057336
>>726079340
for me it's been mostly chill, pops off a bit at the start of the raid but particularly around the medical area you sort of have to be chill because there are so many open rooms that you can see/shoot into
another perfect example of why they need fewer players on each map
stella montis is actually a sick fucking map and would be insanely tense and fun for pve and pvp but there's just way too fucking many players for it to play to its potential

>>726061954
It’s fine if it wasn’t skewed to “the person who got shot 1st will die literally just about every time due to TTK being ludicrously fast even with shit weapons because the person who shot 1st has element of surprise and can shoot the head”. Doesn’t matter what shield you have or what weapon they use. Also due to arcs and other players,every time I’ve been killed(even in the moments you have to still see what’s going on before you’re booted)the guy who killed me is always swarmed by arcs or domed by another player due to the noise he made to kill me.

>>726063612
>>726063935
This. Same. And yep. This is what has happened. I’ve seen people kill me or others and just disappear. Clearly doing what you said. Putting stuff in their safe pockets and dipping. It’s a way to quickly farm. It’s lazy and gay. It’s like the “AFK” farmers Elden mid had. Where they COULD do better and easier farming,but that is the safer way and rage inducing for others.

>>726079882
TTK isn't fastthere's you're playing with nearly a full second of desync

>>726069085
The moments a lobby of dude bros work together and decide to wipe out an entire map are the coolest moments I’ve had in this game. The new map has descended into niggers being niggers.

>>726079816
I think the map is cool too(design wise,and now that I’ve learned it). But it DRASTICALLY increased my bad experiences with other players from being nigh nonexistent to now I’m lucky if I can spawn on that map without being killed a minute in by getting shot in the back.

>>726056981
>256/256 full stash inventory of crafting materials you never use
people really free loadout spam? one escape is at least 10 kits worth of crafting materials and puts you at a significant advantage over free loadouts

>>726080365
Stella exposes all of the flaws with the game, gear balane, spawn issues, freekit issues. There has to be a fix for these things soon.

>>726080572
almost every issue i have with the game can be solved by dramatically reducing player counts (and therefore increasing distance between spawns)
i don't have a huge problem with free loadouts, but to balance them i think they could make it so "free" loadouts cost money so if you don't actually survive and extract and come out of the raid with some loot you end up in the negative

>>726080850
And what happens when someone has no money?

>>726081349
>suddenly the concept of zero to hero has disappeared from existence
i would think that would be incredibly unlikely, there is loot jam packed fucking everywhere
like you can loot a single room and have enough to get out full to use for crafting or selling

>>726056981
PVP is for rats. For parasites who do not build but only destroy. A loathsome creature that when confronted revels in their own ignorance.

>>726079340
how did you make it a nonwhite thing when Jedediah is on voice comms speaking ebonics begging for his life after shooting first. is this like how the Irish arent white or something, do americans just make shit up about whose white and who is based on if they feel like it cos thats what it sounds like

t.bong

That only really happens to me when I go trios with friends. Solo's pretty chill so far.
They need bigger maps, or less players in a session, I think.

>>726056981
>friendlyniggers
Lol you are a cancer and I will kos you

I chose to continue my playthrough of Dying Light: The Beast instead of playing Arc Raiders yet again.

how do you guys find fun after upgrading all the crafting tables and finishing quests? I got loot but hoard all of it lol

>What even is the point
There is no point, no unlocks, no hidden skills, no strong gear, just kill people and farm salt
https://litter.catbox.moe/1aqqq5lanvmt3wxx.mp4

>>726070256
>all that nothing
Look at the pretty colors :0

>>726056981
you can't trust anyone. people get burned by letting others go just to get shot in the back so they learn to shoot on sight

>>726056981
I think they should nerf free kits desu. Maybe give half the ammo and definitely 0 shield. As it stands there's not really any risk of just going into a match for free and spamming death matches until profit.

>>726061954
In PvPvE games there's always a certainty: the PvE wimps who cry about PvP and demand the game should cater to them because they are wageslaves who lack free time and somehow that's supposed to be my problem

>>726087421
less ammo and no shields won't make a difference if they can just scavenge those, just decrease the number of backpack and quick use slots. One stack of halved ammo and a half shield should be fine, too, i guess

>>726088661
I'd agree with that too, maybe have the weight on the free pack be lower like 20kg or 25kg as well. Really whatever it takes to make free kits an unfeasible option.

>>726084394
>insults people who want to be cooperate, share and work together
>wants to fight, steal, kill people and destroy things
>calls civilized people niggers
>doesn't understand the words he uses
You skin color doesn't matter, you're the definition of a nigger.

>>726086364
>no unlocks
what, you literally unlock the ability to craft better equipment and theres also a skill tree and there is strong gear. do you actually play this game?

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arc raiders players be like YOOOOOO THIS ART STYLE FIRE

>>726091450
That's not Arc Raiders though, that's Fallout 4.

>>726090647
>better equipment
Stitcher is the second best dps weapon in the game and it's a tier 1 lmfao
>skill trees
Put all points into survival, the other tress are fucking worthless
>do you actually play this game?
I camp and kill loot piggies that *oink-oink* for me
https://litter.catbox.moe/jhajykghzoe47kyr.mp4

>>726091450
Y0000000000000000000000000!

>>726056981
When will the cheaters fuck this game over

>>726056981
>be me
>need to find that fucking flow controller for ching chong
>spawn on Stella Montis
>free loadout, no risk
>I watch someone jump on top of the bastion and start swinging their melee at it
>I start shooting the bastion
>person hops off, crouch rolls underneath a part of the bastion, getting it to endlessly spin in circles while 3 of us shoot it
>it dies
>tell them that was amazing to watch
>ask if anyone has a flow controller
>guy has one and gives it to me
>I drop him the 3 bastion cells I just took off the kill + some extra goodies
>we extract together

I fucking love this game, man. The fact that a good chunk of the playerbase is open to teaming leads to crazy dynamics both when you want to team AND when you want to PvP

>be solo on rooftop
>see group of 4 people running around together
>stun all 4 with 1 showstopper
>2 heavy grenades next
>kills 3/4 and I shoot the last one
>knock them all one by one while laughing manically in voip
>don't even loot their corpses

>726086364
>726091514

>lookit me guys i use the funni name and post ragebait are you angry yet please pay attention to me

>>726086364
night ratting is more fun desu, people tend to bring better gear which leads to better salt

>>726092592
They're too busy fucking over Tarkov.

>>726092592
did they ever do anything with the finals?

>>726092592
they cant profit off of this game so there's no point

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>muh KOS
It's a PvP game, you low IQ redditor. Feel free to go to >>546796303 if you want wholesome chungus social interactions.