Tell me Superman, if you are so super, how come you don't have a good game?
>Because nobody wants a game with you as the main villain, Lex. You're just not on a "videogame boss" level.
>>726096415why do I just default to reading this in George Newbern's voice
>>726095321You don't like rings?
Gamers hate the idea of Superman whether its his ideals or powers or personality. They will excuse playing as Dante, Asura, Goku, Bayonetta who inarguably have more bizarre abilities but not Superman.
>>726096680I seriously don't even think Superman would be that hard to make a game around. Just nerf him a bit and he could have a decent game
No one wants to play as Supercuck
>>726095321How's something unlimited doing?
Why doesn't he just kill Lex?
>>726097526>Just nerf him a bit and he could have a decent gameOr keep him OP and make the mobs powerful enough to pester him
>>726096680It's not that Superman has weird powers. You can just make a Superman game with the powers you consider most relevant and if you get pressed on it, either say your variant's just a little different and doesn't have them, or say he doesn't find them particularly useful.The problem is that there's basically no overlap between versions of Superman that feel sufficiently powerful and authentic to the average person's conception of Superman and a version you'd actually want to play in a video game. A lot of good Superman stories are about his morals being tested, his identity being at risk of disclosure, or an entity who meets or exceeds his level of power. The best ones exploit the fact that even Superman can only do so much at once. Convoluted plans, large scale attacks of enemies that aren't in Superman's class, but that are certainly in a class above the rest of the Justice League. One of the most well liked portrayals of Superman is built around the idea that he lives like a man in a "world made of cardboard." You could go with that for a game, make the point to use Superman's powers effectively without causing too much devastation. But the problem with that is that even one or two unnecessary deaths would be totally unacceptable for Superman. Even significant property damage would be a yellow flag for him. He'd be totally out of character to tolerate even a gameplay appropriate amount of leeway for the player. The alternative would be to have Superman fight only near peers, away from Earth. You could have him trapped on Apokolips or something. But then you miss out on the day to day aspect of Superman. You can't intervene against crime.Certainly, you could contrive a story where Superman gets boom-tubed against his will between Earth and a planet of powerful, universally immoral aliens so you could do both, but that would obviously feel contrived, as I said.
>>726096415>Is it that I have hair?Superman asking the right questions.
>>726095321Because playing with god mode on is fun for 5 minutes and then you get bored
>>726100356see: Injustice
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>>726095321Superman is lame. Always has been always will be.
>>726095321Because Superman is a boring superhero. He's too perfect. His only flaw is that he is not human and must learn how to moderate himself. How do you make limiting yourself fun when you've never allowed yourself to experience YOURSELF.
>>726095321BTFO
>>726104356>too perfectIs that how you see it? A guy trying to save everyone, regularly having to face the idea that he can't, and trying to do his best with citizens, villains, friends, family, despite all the tension thrown on his shoulders where one small misstep could shatter it all? Folks like you see the demigod boy scout Superman, and don't actually see the endless self-expectations of Clark Kent. Frankly, a "proper Superman game" would work better in things like Telltale formats than it ever would a powerdickery action game.
>>726095321Lex Luthor is black here.
>>726096415love Bruce Timm ladies
>>726104484His skin tone is the same color as Supermans
>>726104356>>726101862reddit opinion
>>726104479>tries to please everyone>gets damn well close>can only not please those who do not want to be pleasedYes. He genuinely is boring as shit. The only way he does wrong is by doing TOO right. The burden he forces upon himself is one of self-righteousness. The one thing I will admit that Superman's writers do well is he does not condescend, but maaaaaan is he a passive aggressive little shit who really does expect more from people who are already giving everything.
>>726104898>but maaaaaan is he a passive aggressive little shit who really does expect more from people who are already giving everything.That also depends on the writers. Some have him going out of his way to help beyond simply saving the day, like preventing suicides, assisting elderly, helping children have a good day, etc and trying to trust in police and allies to not require him to micromanage every little thing. Others kind of Captain America him as an icon for others to strive to be and he focuses solely on the superhero work, essentially becoming more of a symbol than a person. It's just one of those things that you're gonna constantly see variance on, good or bad.
We already have good superman gameplay, it was in Lego Batman 2.
>>726104484This version is based on an Italian
I didn't like that Lex in the latest movie was absurdly comically evil to normal humansMy favorite Lex portrayals are when he's a visionary pushing humanity to be better because he truly believes that he's the rest of humanity could be almost as awesome as he is (but not quite as good obviously), and that he autistically hates metahumans who he sees as constantly holding them backHaving him out his ex girlfriends in the torture dimension is just a bit silly
I've said for years that they should just make Asura's Wrath but Superman, completely over the top spectacle and action, not challenging to play but just Superman fucking up bad guys on a cosmic scale.
>>726095321american comics syndicate is ultra fake and omega gay, which is why only the top guys really get to show up in other mediathis is not a condemnation of the industry for keeping the little guy down, but for how inevitably incoherent it gets: neither the bat nor the spider are characters as much as their are franchises
>>726096415Tbh having a super-powered alien flying around carrying out extra-judicial vigilante justice would be quite a cause for concern. I'm with Lex on this one.
>>726095321It would take a real man with good virtue, genuine love for life and understanding of what makes Superman do what he does for a good Superman game to be made.No man like that exists in the industry and if they do, they are not in position to push for it.
>>726105889yeach, let's agitate a docile alien without any working plan to stop it or dispose of it in case of it getting agitatedpretty dumb for someone considered smartit's like poking a bear witha stick because your plan says there's 0.0001% chance that bear will get confused and run away from your idiocy
>>726105889You make plans in the event that alien goes bonkers, you don't actively be hostile to it. Batman holds onto some kryptonite but he's not about to shoot supes with it for no reason.
>>726106316Irrational, illogical beasts can't be reasoned with. They only know fear and not-fear.
>>726104525Reminder that Batman vs. Harley Quinn has a Hooters styled restaurant that has a heroine and villainess theme. Never mind that those villainesses have killed thousands of people between them, they still have in-universe coomer fanboys.
>>726095321Superman is one of the lamest superheros. He has no soul beyond muh sense of justice. Too much of a boy scout to be interesting in any redeemable way. His movies are always trash so a game wouldn't be different.
Why does Superman look like a man anyway if he's an ayy lmao
All of the excuses people come up with for why he can't have a game never prevent him from getting movies where he is always nerfed. He literally jobs to some nanomachine bitch in the Gunn movie. It's as simple as “nano machine aliens/mercs are fucking up the city” and you fly around beating ass and clearing ubisoft towers. The skill tree could be because he gets fucked up at the beginning of the game and grows stronger as he gets more sun and recovers.
>>726106689At least he isn't mr.>Killing the psycho villains that have killed countless people? No! I don't want that. I only want to save the villains and put them in prisons they will escape. Even after I die I want my sidekicks to stop better people from killing them for ten years at least.
>>726106492I mean, spiders fuck spider females too...
>>726106492>bro she put bombs inside of gameboys and killed a bunch of kids>Counterpoint: Clussy
>tfw no Superman post apocalypse co-op building game
>>726104484He's obviously Cuban.
>>726106492The DCAU basically operates on "No one's dying unless their death is a plot point" rules. All those villains are just causing mischief and destroying property as far as most people are concerned. Inconvenient, but not necessarily irredeemable or off limits to make light of.
>>726095321its not a difficult concept for devs, just have Lex fire a kryptonite bullet that gets lodged inside superman and make him lose his strength. Then slowly he recovers while still battling minions and goons, sure they may take few punches now, but end game you can just one shot them until its time to fight bosses and Lex.
>>726104484>>726105253>>726107120He's based on Blofeld's actor, Aristotelis Savalas, who was Greek.
I am so glad normies don't read Hulk comics. Hulk is batshit insane power wise and he still got good vidya. Ultimate Destruction was KINO.
>>726096415>superman has hair>gets cloned from itLex is right to go bald.
>>726107110>The virgin "balanced meal" vs the Chad "pile of cookies for dinner"
>>726095321No one wants to play as the worlds most boring Jewish self insert power fantasy cuck
>>726107221They have done the same in grittier comics. Pic related is from Secret Six 2008 #16.
I would just make an Infamous-like game but with Superman who can die from bullets and shit and tell the fat comic book nerds to go fuck themselves.
>>726107332>Ultimate Destruction>the first and only good one was 2 decades agoI don't see that as a win anon
>>726107638>Superman who can die from bulletsI mean you can do this by making the guns shoot magic or kryptonite bullets, SUperman isn't THAT fucking strong and can be outsmarted by half of his verse
>>726107907Just make it regular bullets but have no hitstun. I mean technically Spiderman should be able to not get hit since he senses all danger.
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>>726107006>uhm she literally operated on Lois Lane and helped joker blow up metropolis!>y-yeah but we forgive her she's a bit sad about it, I'll even make her my new sidekick - BatmanThis is straight out from the Injustice comics, the same comic that forever ruined HQ as a character
Just make a Superman game like the animated series, he was quite a jobber therehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEL0duWzfA
>>726106316Batman is a bad example because he planned contingencies that would kill every member of the Justice League when taken to their logical extreme, and they almost all died because of it.
>>726108119Quinzel was fucked as a character way before Injustice.
>>726108252Batman probably had another plan that only stunned them all to help with their brainwashing, but no villains seem to care about stealing that plan
>>726095321Super speed is lame in vidya because humans can't experience it ourselves so the only way of portraying it making everything else slow which makes for boring gameplay
>>726107631That was a shitty Gail Simone comic, where it was done very purposefully as a ham-fisted statement about the sexualized mainline designs of those characters.Back in the "Oh God, these female heroes and villains look like STRIPPERS, isn't that just ridiculous everybody? I'm sure you can see how we need to tone it down, it's impossible to take seriously" era of feminist critique. Even though they had to exaggerate most of these characters to the point of being barely recognizable to make the point.
>>726108382*Of female characters in comics in general, I should clarify.
>>726108382Gail Simone's "feminist critique" could get quite suggestive.
>>726108565This is pretty much exactly what William Moulton Marston wanted for Wonder Woman.
>>726108565Seeing strong powerful women reduced and humiliated is one of the hottest thing ever.
>>726101862Perfectly captures the essence of Superman's character which most people who aren't Superman fans understand about him
If Jesus is so great, why aren't there more games where you play as Jesus?
>>726108565>>726108812>Wonder Woman>supposed to be an uplifting role model for young girls>constantly humiliated and ryona punching bagWhat did they mean by this?
>>726102064Some versions of the Super Boy literally are the reason that Lex is bald
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>>726108565>>726108710kino
>>726108973Basically>men writing women
>>726109140Who is You?
>>726108964If the Beatles are bigger than Jesus, why are there even fewer game you can play as them?
>>726096597THEN THERE'S NO TIME TO WASTW
>>726095321>I already dismantled your "Delete All Video Games About This Guy in the Multiverse" machine, Luthor. >And in doing so you exposed yourself to the machine, didn't you, Superman?>Yes. But now you wont be able to make all video games only about (You)
>>726095321I could see it working as a game focused on moral dilemmas and shit, preferably with an option to git gud and just save everyone in at least some of the cases if you are good enough
>>726109373If Beatles had been around during the NES/SNES/Megadrive era, I'm sure there would've been some random platformer or two starring them.
>>726107989>Spiderman should be able to not get hit since he senses all danger.Thing is Spiderman can sense danger but he has a speed limit thus can get hitSuperman doesn't and on top of that he has tons of durability
>>726109216https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHTrRs3c6Y
>>726109769And then there's Flash, who you'd expect never to get hit, but does because reasons. Superhuman speed is one of those abilities that basically needs some strings attached, otherwise it quickly becomes a godlike power.
>>726110097The Flash thing can be easily solved by giving him a limit on how much speedforce he can use, like a batterySuperman just had no limits on his speed, sometimes he is as quick as Flash others he can get blindsided by normal humans
>>726100356Because Superman is dumb enough to believe the bullshit about "if you kill him, you'll be just as bad as him!". He literally brainwashes himself into being a dictator in the timelines where he kills Lex.It's retarded.
>>726112118It is legacy of Comic Code self-regulations that DC fully submitted to in order to have maximized mainstream circulation. Pre-code superhero comics could get surprisingly edgy. I don't think pre-code Superman ever straight up killed anyone, but he was allowed to be more violent towards regular street mooks, and there were ambiguous situations where it was plausible that his foes might have died off-panel as result of Superman's actions. Batman straight up used to kill criminals and use guns. With comics code DC steered the stories more into direction where superheroes would just arrest the villains and them getting taken away by cops alive and well was clearly shown, and usually just used their powers to contain or trap them and kept direct harming of even evil characters in minimum. It can feel off reading some silver age superhero stuff because of how sanitized just fistfighting seem like. They overcorrected making comics lamer by cranking up the absurdity of the plot lines and character's behaviors.
>>726096597>turned out the game was meant to be open world>in an alternate timeline Superman 64 would've been Hulk: Ultimate Destruction of its universe.
>>726112118>>726112839Honestly, I feel like every time this conversation comes up, everyone thinks of the act of killing like it's doing the dishes or washing your car. It's a serious action that takes a toll on the person committing the murder too. It will change you. And I think while to it's extremes it doesn't feel right for super heroes to leave an obvious madman to commit more atrocities, I think it's reasonable to not be some out of control bushwhacker who slaughters people left and right when they go out of line. You may say that there are obvious cases, but imagine killing Mr. Freeze and then learning about his backstory of trying to save his wife. It might be someone rolve with, but it would still leave people with a bad aftertaste. Batman and Superman wanting to insolate their emotional welfare is reasonable, if not, outright necessary for longevity. Superman might be overly conscious that he's lording over a species weaker than him and Batman might have a phobia of turning into what he hates the most. It's not that Batman is above it, it's that he doesn't want to be a part of it.
>>726109140>The You Tes Ament>Thetyou Testament
>>726109202Gail Simone is a lardass woman.
>>726100356because Lex isn't really that evil outside of his hate boner for Superman and the usual scummy corpo stuff
>>726113252Yeah but there's a line between "I killed a person and feel guilty" and "I killed a person, guess I better become a tyrannical despot".No excuse for that shit writing. Not unless they were under pressure to not portray society's problems being easily solved with a few well placed deaths.
>>726113432Well, at the end of the day it is superhero story and they need to keep bringing villains back. If superheroes killed supervillains they would just start escaping Hell instead of escaping prison.
>>726105449The movie suffers from James Gunn.>lex about to give his defeated monologue>nooooooope, the doggo interrupts it>lol, so randum
>>726108565Damn this is hot
>>726113432It's more of an inhibition kind of thingIt's like doing drugs or any other bad habit a person can develop, same goes for killingIf Superman gets used to the idea of killing anyone he deems a threat then it will naturally snowball into him becoming a dictatorI will go as far as to say it's a realistic fate seeing how most dictators in story start as genuine come-up heroes who sooner or later get too comfortable applying extreme measures to everything since they have the power to do so
>>726113571I get that. But it is interesting how they always portray the heroes as the evilest of evils in any AU where they simply kill the problem. There's never a glimpse into a utopian AU where Superman mindbroke Lex with his facehugger dick, it's always super evil Tyrantman who dared to kill a rich person.
>>726109216Broly.https://youtu.be/QBBLxrvOmqw?si=clyZmWHOQ1y7dOjo&t=1043
people saying he has too many powers or is too strong are retarded, the industry is littered with characters that would be insanely OP if they could use half the powers they have in a cutscene during the actual gameplay.The real reason nobody wants to make a superman game is because they think he's a boring boyscout. I really hope the recent james gunn movie has done enough to convince them that being a good person is actually not a bad thing and that we don't need to constantly rehash "but what if superman was le heckin evil????" you have no idea how happy I was when I found out the superman ripoff in Dispatch was just an autistic weirdo instead of some shitty twist villain
>>726115728>boring boyscoutThing is Spiderman is also a goody twoshoes boyscout and has consistenly gotten good games made for his IP
>>726105449you have a point, but I really liked his enthusiasm
>>726108973It's a fat woman seething in envy. They hate role models rather than be inspired by them. It's peak lifelong misery.
>>726095321>>726096680The main issue with superman is that you can't go wild with his powers.I remember a Hulk game where you could just go on a rampage, destroying the whole city and that shit was hype to my teen self.Superman personality wouldn't let something like that fly, all that power and no abuse of it works for a story but it doesn't make a fun game.
>>726116175meant to post that one
>>726108973Bitches fucking love ryona.
>>726115948Spiderman is a quippy reddit character though. He's sfw deadpool.
>>726105889>yea let's trust our governments with nuke and child porn blackmailing material
>>726095321Because the Justice League in general are just over powered characters. Too over powered to ever work prominently as protagonists of any video game.
>>726105449>he's a visionary pushing humanity to be better because he truly believes that he's the rest of humanity could be almost as awesome as he is (but not quite as good obviously)That's literally Superman. The whole point of Lex is that he can never be as good as Superman and he's extremely jealous about it, and the Gunn movie was all about exploring that character trait but stretching it to the extremes to emphasize that critical chracter flaw. I don't necessarily think that was a bad thing, thanks to Snyderslop polluting the popular consciousness about the Superman mythos, Gunn really needed to portray extreme versions of each character.Maybe the next Gunn Superman movie will have a more nuanced Lex, since they'll have to work together if imdb is to be believed. But redeeming Lex is gonna be difficult due to all the petty shit he did, even ignoring the whole murdering some random falafel vendor in cold blood in front of Superman's eyes.
>>726109202Lies. You will never hate someone so unreasonably and so unquestionably than another woman spiting another woman for absolutely zero reason whatsoever.All it takes for a female is to be told that Wonder Woman is better than them and they will want to see that bitch burn.
>>726106492I have never gone to a Hooters and I don't think I ever will honestly. Why go to Hooters when you can just, idk, go to a strip club or actually just fuck a hooker if you're that desperate already?
>>726116865More like Deadpool is NSFW Spiderman desu
>>726095321I would rather get an absolute bamham game.
>>726112925Superman Returns was open world and It's probably the best Superman game. It had the right ideas anyway for how a Superman game should work and flying around the city was fun
>>726105449Yeah
>>726117194You're hating more right now, retard.
