Console pleb here. Why do people prefer nvidia over AMD? Are Radeon GPUs really that bad? I want to build a pc.
>>726102306Radeon had issue with drivers more often then jewidia before Ai push, after the push drivers sucks for both but rtx cards have acceleration for video and 3d rendering and some Ai meme
Nvidia's are just slightly more powerful and more reliable software-wise. AMD is known not as a budget brand but certainly a budget alternative, only one time in GPU history has AMD proven they can outperform Nvidia with a bit of luck.But they're a perfectly viable brand. AMD CPUs for instance are praised more often than Intel's.You can't go wrong with an AMD GPU, it's your choice.Personally I'll always put the extra buck for an Nvidia GPU because I don't want to have to fuck with gamefiles and drivers to make all the indie games work, that weren't made for a Radeon to begin with. For example you'll have absolutely no problem playing CP2077 but you'll find all sorts of gamebreaking bugs trying to play Buckshot Roulette. It's the magic of the Radeon.
>>726102306There are a few reasons>AMD had serious driver issues in the early 2000s and it has taken them a lot of time to fix those, nowadays they're more stable than Nvidia (did they even fix the BSODs etc. on their 5XXX cards?)>Currently Nvidia is pushing hard on Ray Tracing, something that AMD is worse dealing with and only recently released cards that can match Nvidia's performace (9070, 9070 XT)>their best DLSS equivalent is a step behind Nvidias and is currently only supported by the aforementioned two cards. However all forms of "free" frame generation are a fucking scam and everyone peddling that snake oil should be barred from the industry>a bit harder to get into image generation with AI, may or may not be no longer the caseOn the upside, AMD cards are considerably more cost-efficient (especially when paired with an AMD CPU which you absolutely should get, even if you're buying a non-AMD GPU) and, ironically, nowadays more stable than Nvidia's, who screwed the pooch with their 5XXX cards (numerous issues, from unstable drivers, cutting out PhysX, laughably low VRAM to literally burning themselves to death). Bottom line, AMD is perfectly fine for gaming and the only Nvida card worth buying atm is a 4090, which can cost as much as an entire PC with a 7900 XTX/9070 XT
>>726102818>>their best DLSS equivalent is a step behind NvidiasDLSS4 has more issues than FSR4
If you do not care about long term driver support, amd is better.With nvidia you overpay for weaker harder with worse drivers but on the upside, this hardware will be supported for more year by nvidia with drivers and bug fixes.
>>726102597>more reliable software-wisestopped right there. Rest of it is most likely bullshit too
I expect AMD to catch up to upscaling and frame gen very quickly. Ray tracing not so much. Not like anyone other than lazy developers give a shit about ray tracing anyway
>>726102996Frame generation is bugged right now, if you enable it through the catalyst program, your gpu will be at 100% usage even when you're not in a game.aymd can be so silly sometimes.
I think the only decisive difference is NVIDIA has dedicated die surface for ray tracing but AMD does not. Meaning if ray tracing is turned on NVIDIA is better. if turned off AMD is better because NVIDIA's part of the ray tracing die surface is basically wasted and not doing anything. simply put. They are all made by TSMC so dollar per mm square surface isn't going to differ that much. I suggest you wait for ps6 or xbone2 spec announcement to see what side microsoft and sony will pivot to see what they think of this design fracture.
>>726102306AMD used to have shit drivers and lagged behind in exclusive features.But now AMD caught up and they have arguably better drivers now.>>726102818>>a bit harder to get into image generation with AI, may or may not be no longer the caseComfyUI now supports AMD's 2 latest gens natively on Windows.>>726102996FSR4 is as good as DLSS4, in fact it has less motion artifacts in UE5 games in particular (in this case DLSS4 is a downgrade from DLSS3). DLSS should no longer be a selling point, as every GPU manufacturer has their own good upscaling now.
>>726103082Both microsoft and sony will be using amd, it's not even a debate.
>>726102306>Are Radeon GPUs really that bad?you already have one in your console you doofus
>>726102306Radeon will have the same general GPU design in 2026 that Nvidia Turing had in 2018. >tensor cores>real discrete RT cores and not band aid to check DX12U complianceNvidia GPUs are also useful for work while Radeon sucks even at gaming.Basically amdrones gaslit everyone for almost a decade that "you don't need this" because Radeon is trash and expensive for what it is.
>>726102306AMD will drop support and focus only on the latest lineup while Nvidia still adds features to old hardware. If you're planning on using the same GPU for a long time Nvidia is the better choice.
>>726102993Anon before me said the same thing in regards to drivers. I've personally experienced this troubleshooting my buddies' graphics. You're just a stupid cuck.
>>726103289>>tensor coresSource? Because they have no need for that.They made ml2code, which compiles machine learning code to compute shaders, and as result, 9070 XT has performance on par with 5070 ti in AI tasks
>>726103370UDOA will have matrix cores aka tensor cores.AMD ROCm is a joke compared to CUDA so their usefulness outside of FSRx is moot.
>>726103172Also people like id broke rank and forced everyone to use ray trace with no way to turn it off. Game developers have a voice too. Maybe not just MS and Sony will dictate this. But I think in general people doesn't seem to care about ray trace? So I guess AMD is the winner. Jensen doesn't seem to care about gamer with their AI processor selling like hotcakes anyways.
The 9070xt vs 5070ti is a very good spot for amd right now, in Canada they are like $400 less and perform the same, better in some games worse in some.However it does use like 50watts more power, and Nvidia is easier to do AI gen/video editing with.
lots of things are nvidia only like karma render in houdini
>>726103843>However it does use like 50watts more power, and Nvidia is easier to do AI gen/video editing with.ComfyUI supports AMD on Windows now
>>726102993We opened an issue tracker for artifacting on RNDA3 GPU's back in... 2023?Game in question was TOTK on any windows based Switch emulator.They still haven't addressed it, despite trying our hardest to force them to.We recommended avoiding RDNA3 when possible.This issue was fixed within months on the Linux MESA drivers (community driven) - so really, the problem is squarely AMD refusing to spend any money and effort once the product is sold.
>>726102306AMD is like a Wish.com GPUIt looks like a GPU, it does a lot of stuff that a GPU can do well, but when it's put next to an actual GPU you can see it's dogshit
>>726102306Both brands are good and there really is no difference in general performance in gaming. Nvidia niggers just tend to be low IQ retards that think 30% less VRAM is not a big deal if there is an Nvidia sticker on the box.
>>726102306Nvidia pays devs to botch their optimizations for AMD users.
>>726107653How's that vram working for the RDOA2 that won't get FSR4 and next on the chopping block are RDOA3 and RDOA4 when UDOA launches.AMDumbs are really subhuman.>support for $1k GPU is being dropped while it's still being sold new>2060 from 2018 got full DLSS4 models except framegenunironically kill yourself
>>726108145They can't do that anymore because most games are console ports that run on amd hardware.
>>726102306Cause DLSS looks better than FSR
>>726102597>Personally I'll always put the extra buck for an Nvidia GPU because I don't want to have to fuck with gamefiles and drivers to make all the indie games work, that weren't made for a Radeon to begin with.Name five times this has happened and with what hardware.
>>726102306In the current market, AMD's graphics cards present a more compelling value proposition for gaming-centric builds. This advantage is particularly pronounced within the GNU/Linux ecosystem, where distributions like CachyOS can leverage AMD's robust open-source drivers for excellent performance out of the box.Conversely, in the domain of AI and machine learning, NVIDIA maintains a significant lead, largely due to the widespread adoption of its CUDA platform. Nevertheless, the landscape is evolving. AMD's ROCm software stack is steadily maturing, and a growing number of tools are being optimized to harness the power of their latest hardware, signaling a more competitive future.
>>726109042It happened trust me.
>>726109385thank you chatgpt
>>726109042Sorry less than five games but at least three in multiplayer that I personally experienced and my bud would tell you of his own.>Buckshot Roulette>Phasmophobia>Payday 2on the equivalent of the 3060 on a friend of mine's PC. We had to tweak some .ini or .cfg files or change a couple of Windows settings specific to the games, so the games would just fucking boot or to solve game-breaking bugs. It was indeed the case that the Radeon was at fault.Don't get all cocky all of a sudden, you can read everywhere online people struggle with AMD cards.People will defend their AMD without any arguments or straight up deny any problems happen and that makes me begin to hate this brand, because at first I'm not judging at all I'm just pointing out the obvious, I don't mind that you like your Radeon. Truly I understand what anons mean by "AMDrones" really some of you faggots are insufferable.
>>726102306Nvidia has over 90% of the market share for gpus. Whatever you want to prefer that's a fact and there's a reason for it and consequences of it. Devs will always cater to nvidia more.
>>726109042Any Spring Engine game will shit itself on the latest drivers. OpenGL games will shit themselves unless you use Zink from the Mesa 3D graphics library, in which case they will have far inferior performance than just running them on a nice Nvidia GPU.
>>726113060Fringe examples of irrelevant games, got it.
>>726102306nVidia literally pays jeets, youtubers and review sites to actively shit on AMD.
>>726102306Pick the one that is better for you don't be a corpo brand slave
>>726113613I see marketing threads for the following products and companies (that I'll never use as a result) on 4chan:>linux>AMD>LSFG>E33>Stellar Blade>Wukong>Abiotic factor>Nintendo>From Software
>>726114578Forget to add>Steam>Steam Machine>Dispatch>Astrobot
>>726111602>straight up deny any problems happenPretty much why I don't buy amd trash.If you have a problem and search for a solution you get:>your PSU is not lubed enough for our sensitive amd trash>your RAM is the problem>your mobo is the problem>did you DDU?>you didn't pray to Tranny Su when installing the drivers>you're nvidiot show receipts that you own amd trash>just install loonix broEven you you prove that you put nvidia card in the same system and you have no problems, they will always deny it and say that you're "holding it wrong".I don't buy amd simply because I don't want to interact with these subhumans in the event that I have to troubleshoot something.Loonix is their only viable excuse but Turing+ gpus are getting MESA drivers in the future so amd can blow me.
>>726102884Incorrect. AMDfags have yet to get a proper frame of reference for upscaling.
>>726114578>marketing for LinuxDo we tell him?
>>726114978I literally switched from 2070S to 9070XT, so I know better than 95% of this thread
>>726115007No, let him pay for Linux.
>>726111602The only issues I've had with my 7900xt is when AMD updates the Windows drivers and it breaks compatibility with Switch emulators, causing weird graphical glitches to happen.With MESA drivers this doesn't apply. In fact 99% of AMD problems seems to be the jeets they've got working on their official drivers, but even then it's always some weird ass fringe cases.Sorry about your medical issues, though. I know being an easily angered tard is a hard thing to live with.
>>726114902I forgot to add GOG as well. Also>Astro BotNobody talks about that flop.
Some game engines from 2010s really hate AMD. Like you'll get worse performance than gtx 960 with your flagship amd card.Modern non ai slop fake frame games are fine for both though because modern engines don't consider AMD fags second class citizens.
>>726115445Yes. It gets annoying when you try to play something old and it runs like utter dogshit for absolutely no good reason. See: New Vegas.
>>726102306Marketing and hivemind. I've exclusively been using AMD for nearly 20 years and only had like 2-3 driver crashes. I built a friend an AMD PC once and he kept it for like 4 months before he replaced it all with Intel and Nvidia "because thats what they told me to get on youtube".
>>726116068My experiences with AMD have been similar. Stable, and long lasting builds that last me years. But like with both AMD+AMD builds I've made so far, the same issue pops up; some incompatibility with some Nvidia gimmick that had some incredibly fringe use case and is now deprecated.I sit here and wonder if by the time AMD finally gets good raytracing support, that nvidia dumps it just to move onto something else.
>>726115445It's often combination of new windows and hardware and old games.That is true even for noVideo, DXVK is your friend even on windows.
>>726117703This is the case for cry engine. That engine can't utilize AMD cards much at all due to a bug caused by Windows 10.
>>726118075I have better luck playing some old games on Linux with wine/proton than on native W10.But for some console ports it's simply better to emulate the console version.
