Nier sold over 9M copies on a small budget, it's the most acclaimed Square Enix game of the century
>>726136909Rebirth won GOTY and sold millions.Nier lost.
>>726136909>Nier>acclaimedlmaono one would have even given a shit if not for the android asslow brow garbage for weeb incels
>>726137172Cry
>>726136995> Square Enix noted that FF7R sales did not meet their internal targets, leading some to label it a commercial failure
>>726136909Stellar Blade 2 will carry the torch forward then
>>726136909where is it implied that ff7r part 3 or other unrelated games were the reason those projects were cancelled?
>>726136909Square is so fucking retarded
>Yoko Taro, man who is literally known for probably having black mail on SE to let him do whatever he wants>UM THEY'RE CANCELLING MY PROJECTS GUYS I'M DEFINITELY DOING SOMETHINGjust say you aren't really in the mood to do shit and creativity comes when it comes
>>726136909>cancel Nier 3>release more pixel slop gamesSquare Enix has their priorities straight
>>726136909>could've easily made a faithful remake of FF7>went pants on head retarded and made a sequel masquerading as a remake>split it up into 3 different games>could've kept a simple manga artstyle from the OG concept art, but went for the Advent Children hyper realism
>>726137772Legit just make the same game (one game), same combat system, same plot with the ps3 tech demo visuals & original KH Voice actors and it would have done 20M easily.
Didnt they also have him make an entire fucking card game, and a Nier gacha? He makes the first really succesful game they've had in ages, and they send him to the mobile mines. They are absolutely allergic to making good business decisions, very few japanese companies deserve total failure and bankruptcy as much as Squeenix
>>726137291You got xim
>>726136909>Square cancelled Automata sequel in favour of continuing the failed FF7 remake serieswhere does it say anything like that?
>>726136995didn't Baldur's Gate win that yearor was it last year with the new Atlus game
Square Enix also killed off Sleeping Dogs and Deus Ex, a company run by complete and utter morons.
>>726138057>an entire fucking card gameHe actually made 3 and nobody played themhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1113570/Voice_of_Cards_The_Isle_Dragon_Roars/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1748660/Voice_of_Cards_The_Forsaken_Maiden/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1890740/Voice_of_Cards_The_Beasts_of_Burden/They apparently don't do much with the card gimmick outside of aesthetics
>>726136909Where's the source tendiecuck
>>726136995>Rebirth won GOTY and sold millions.Rebirth fans actually just openly lying now...
>>726137772A FF7 remake was their literal "Golden Goose Free Money" game. How did these incompetent subhuman niggers fuck even that up?
>>726136909Square deserves every bad thing happening to it
>>726136909Thats not what it is sayingnot like it matters anyway since automata combat is garbage
>>726136909The Remakes have better gameplay and characters than Nier though.
>>726137446>>726138195final fantasy has cultists in their fanbase that will project their problems into everything SE does, even if it's games from a director who historically outsources all of his stuff to non-SE developers
>>726139418Horrible taste.
>>726139484Heh good one
>>726136909>I've actually been working on some stuff, it's just that it never ended up seeing the light of day. I got paid for it, so I personally have no issues with thatReally? That sounds like the most soul crushing shit that could happen to a working man.
The remake of the original probably under-performed, combined with no Platinum when people probably will expected Automata-style gameplay. Internally they probably don't have a team for it.
>>726138543Square Enix has been pretty retarded for like 20 years and any success they have they seem to stumble into.
has anyone played the Voice of Card games or whatever? are they worth it?
>>726138057>Bravely Default>Mana>Now Nierits keeps happening, SE will abort anything that may cast shadow on FF.
>>726139732sounds like youre the one projecting
>>726136909Good.
Do the managers at Square Enix play video games ? I'm guessing they're in their 40s at least so surely they must have kids that do.Why then would they keep funding the FF IP when everyone knows for a fact the youngest in the fanbase are in their 30s now ? Don't they understand adults drop out of the hobby or get tired replaying the same games over again ?
>I got paid though so it's fineAbsolute baller
>>726141997i'm not the one seeing final fantasy somewhere it isn't
>>726137772Why would any thinking conscious being ask for a remaster instead of something new? It's so bizarre to read these posts unironically asking for AI upscales.
>>726136909And this is a good example of the difference between an independent game and a AAA game. If a game would get cancelled because some company stopped giving the developers money, it's not indie.
>>726143776This, remaking existing games is fucking stupid.
>>726137446It's not, OP making shit up as usual.
>>726136909Why doesnt Yoko taro just buy the Nier Licence and character. Then just goes and makes his own with the same team?Every creator should do this of the company wont do shit with the IP
>>726136909>Nier sold over 9M copies on a small budgetIt was also an anomaly as evidenced by Replicant getting a remake and selling like 1/5th of Tomato's total sales. It definitely should be followed up on but treating it like a tentpole franchise is pretty nuts. At least Bamco understand Digimon's place in their company as a smaller game that just needs a bit of a higher budget to succeed and Sega understands that despite Yakuza being a solid face for their brand it's not something you invest ridiculous sums of money into because selling 1 million copies of any Yakuza game is very rare.
>>726144587As if SE is going to sell that to anyone.
>>726137772Nah if they actually wanted to make a sequel they could have and it would have been more interesting than what we actually got. What remake and Rebirth are right now is the exact same fucking story without a single slight difference but a bunch of shit that changes nothing in the grand scheme of things added in to ruin the flow of the story and it's pacing.
>>726138447I played the first one and I think a third of the second and yeah, the card stuff is purely a justification for a turbo low budget aesthetic and mechanically they're just very simple and frankly quite boring RPGs.
>>726141317The first one is okay, the second one less so and I didn't get to the third. First one has a demo with a unique prologue that is a pretty good encapsulation of the series.
>>726136909>made a bunch of card games>put important nier story beats into a gacha gameThey wouldn't cancel another Nier, he was probably just trying to make more mobile games or card games.
>>726145518>They wouldn't cancel another Nierwouldn't be so sure, they seem to have ditched a lot or otherwise restarted a whole bunch of games with the new direction they want to take
>>726136909Okay, now how much did the Nier remake sell?
What would be the next step in the story of Nier if Yoko Taro were to make a sequel?
>>726136909If this is true then FUCK FINAL FANTASY. FUCK NAOKI YOSHIDAFUCK NOMURAFUCK THAT OTHER GAY CUNT WHO WORKS ON FINAL FANTASY.
>>726137430Do not bring this gacha slop anywhere close to the masterpiece that's N:A, nigger.
>>726136909that last line goes against the kind of games he used to make intentionally makethat doesnt make any senseits like SE is cockblocking him
Praise Nomura
Oh man that fucking sucks.Fuck square enix. I didn't even like Nier A that much, but it easily destroys everything Square made in the last decade or so.
>>726136909>squeenix saved nier from whatever the fuck happened to ff7good
>>726136909Well that settles it: Square retardation lead to Platinum not making the game they should've made instead of Babylon's fall.
>>726146723This. Nier is something so cool and unique and if they really cancelled a sequel then fuck Square Enix forever. They made Forspoken, FF16, FF7remake and Rebirth, they made an Among Us clone game called Killer Inn that is going to instantly flop. They made a Splatoon clone game called Foamstars that instantly flopped, they made a bunch of shit but they cancelled a sequel to one of the most popular I.P.s they have? What the fuck is wrong with them? I'm so fucking pissed off I'm not even able to express my emotions right now.
>>726136995>Work on FF7R>Almost filed for bankruptcy.Just a coincidence, I bet.
>>726138452It won the Famitsu game of the year
>>726147802They also killed the studio behind the Trails of Mana game. Killed the studio before the game even came out.
>>726138221He's not talking about the Geoff Awards. Geoff gave 2024 to Astrobot, Famitsu gave it to FFVII Rebirth
>>726147957Isn't that only for japanese games? Sounds like a complete nothing burger
I got news for you morons, most projects never see the light of day.
>>726138447Voice of Cards is genuine so fucking ass. I pirated it and still felt scammed. It also pulls the typical "ERMM WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS" plot twist way too many times
>>726138543FF7 was never as big as they thought it was. The fanbase was just VERY loud.
>>726148065>Famitsulol
>>726148721Wrong. FF7 is literally THE most popular JRPG ever and anyone claiming otherwise is coping. The issue is that this isn't FF7.
>>726136909Whether it's an Automata sequel or not it's retarded to cancel his projects to be honest>>726147802Why were they even charging for Foamstars?
>>726138336>>726136909>killing off Nier and piss Deus ExGood
>>726137772>could've easily made a faithful remake of all of OG FF7 in one release>easilyOK retard
>>726149430>Why were they even charging for Foamstars?It's Square Enix, they're retarded.
>>726137772advent children hyperrealism is fine. the issue is there's nothing hyperrealistic about albino femboy cloud. and tifas sports bra nerf looks retarded. the issue isn't hyperrealism, it's bad hyperrealism.
>>726136909Seems like they know the expectations around him and that they can't fuck it up. His next game needs to be acclaimed as a masterpiece, weird semi-broken arcade stuff like Drakengard 3 would not be received well by the people who became fans with Automata.
>>726149342>THE most popular JRPG ever>JRPGSo you're agreeing with that Anon? The number of people who would pay $70.00 for a JRPG is vastly less than the number of people who are paying for stupid shit like GTA, Fortnite etc.The revenue the game industry is making now and the number of players certain games have is not reflective of how many players a JRPG is going to have even if it's >THE most popular JRPG ever
>>726146319cope, even yoko taro thinks it's a better game
>>726137172So do you have any actual criticism for the game?
>>726136909Barry thread
>>726149978>thread full of people calling the combat shit>for a game where 99% of your time is spent pressing xYeah, it's shit
>>726149342FF7 is irrelevant
>>726148721>>726149342ff7 is the biggest JRPG ever but it's a millennial/Gen X game and the only niggas who care about it anymore are niggas in their 30s/40s. the retards at SE released like 2 dogshit mainline Final Fantasys in 15 years or so and still expect people to give a shit about the franchise. blame SE for tanking their franchise like retards. I've never seen a franchise mishandled as bad as FF. Literally a top 5 selling franchise on the PS2 and the retards decide to do nothing with it for 15 years but release spinoffs and gay compilation crapBack in the day though, people were sperging over Cloud vs Sephiroth shit for like a decade after the game released. It was that big. Cloud was almost number 1 in the character battle on gamefaqs too iirc.
>>726149878>>726150290Ok yeah in that case I'd agree. SE are absolutely retarded for thinking a JRPG will do AAA slop numbers. People who buy those games aren't video game fans so FF7 a game that is renowned amongst enthusiasts will obviously be more niche.
>>726136909>failedJust like your abortion, bingbing.
>>726136909>I got paid for it, so I personally have no issuesI love how zero shits this man is.
>>726136909Wrong. Both user and critic scores are far lower than Rebirth's.
>>726150290>ff7 is the biggest JRPG ever>Has no relevancy, no impact & was panned even on releaseLOL
>>726136909The pic says nothing about ff7
>>726136909They cancelled a Nier sequel to make more slop? Fucking why? I hope Square Enix dies. They couldn't even make a FF7 remake correctly. Inshallah they'll go out of business soon enough.
>>726148721True. Gaming market has changed way too much since ps1 days. What was huge then isn't as much now. Nearly 30 years to reach 15 million sales. Many fans have moved on, a good portion never cared for expansions or remakes. They fumbled it further by stretching it over 12 years.
>>726138543DEI consultants and Nomura going mad with power.
I fucking hate Square Enix
>>726138543>How did these incompetent subhuman niggers fuck even that up?Ironically, because VII has poisoned SE. VII was massively popular, mind you not because it was good but because it was the first major Playstation RPG to hit it big. Because of this success, Square attempted to saddle a few spin-offs to the title in order to make quick money; These games being Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus. They even dipped into becoming a movie company using VII to make Advent Children, hoping that VII's pooularity would let it happen.They were partly correct; those titles were all mostly mediocre, but due to being related to VII they got far more attention than they should have.Executives thus started to believe that turning individual FFs into multimedia projects should be the direction to go. An attempt made for X on this by way of X-2 and the books, but X had already come out before the push so they couldn't establish the legs to stand on for it, plus the books weren't well recieved and X-2 was divisive as hell.They tried again with XII, this time trying to make spin-off sequels with Revenant Wings and Fortress. RW came out but was a handheld RTS, gimping it significantly. Fortress ended up failing before development even truly began, collapsing in early concepy stages.Then came Fabula Nova Crytallis, which outside of Japan was more or less a colossal failure. XIII was divisive and poorly received, XIII-2 was recieved better but XIII had already soured people to the setting, and Lightning Returns was a complete shitshow that only managed to have semi-decent gameplay and an abhorrently awful story to be remembered by. Type-0 was a spin-off that ironically did many things well EXCEPT the FNC incorporation, which was stupid as fuck and detracted from the grounded story already being told. Then of course Versus XIII, which was meant to be the crowning achievement of FNC, went througy development hell and was eventually pulled out to make XV.1/2
>>726137291>>726136909I love whenever people talk about the "low sales" of the 7 remake games they never mention Square being fucking stupid and making it a Sony exclusive for one whole fucking year which destroyed any chance of the game being successful
>>726136909to be fair automata is very much an outlier Taro's output sales wise. his stuff has always been pretty niche, and putting forward another AAA budget into a niche game they're unsure of is probably a tough ask at SE considering their AAA budgets into not so niche IPs aren't paying out the way they'd likely want them to. Probably a big reason why their A and AA output has increased
>>726151295XV, despite controversies, was actually somewhat successful at launch. Kingsglaive wasn't a blockbuster but it still got attention, and the game itself sold well. It was only when SE tried to branch out with it that the popularity turned out to be temporary, hence the cancelled DLCs.Despite these continued failures SE is STILL obsessed with making a new multi-media hit out of FF, thus they've turned back to FF7 to make a new Compilation. Only problem is that the original Compilation came about somewhat organically by expanding the already complete FF7. FF7R is doing the opposite; it's trying to expand itself as it's being developed to make room for these extra projects, which in turn becomes self-sabotage as it drives people away with asinine changes.The irony in all of this is that the two most profitable games SE produced for FF were XI and XIV due to the structure of MMOs as live service subscription games, yet both games are for the most part neglected by SE as the money XI made and XIV makes are pumped towards fruitless endeavors with the multi-media projects.
>>726151375That part
>>726138543they made the first part of the remake 40+ hours long when it covered not even 10% of the original game
>>726136909>They chose... Poorly
>>726136909FFVIIR isn't mentioned anywhere here.This is just that downsizing of SE that everyone was cheering on like a year ago.
>>726136909hey I finally found a use for this image,thanks Square
>>726137772nobody actually thinks this looks better than the barrett we got, right? say what you will about the sunglasses but damn do they work for him
Reincarnation was so fucking cringe that I'm completely fine with never seeing anything Drakenier ever again.
>>726137772Now they can start pre-production of a re-remake.
>>726136909Good.FF7R is the only good game Square has made since the PS2 days.
>>726153124bait
>>726144587Because it's more beneficial to publishers to hoard and vault titles than sell them to competitors who might make more money with it than they did with selling it.
>>726136909Reincarnation was the Automata sequel, whether you're willing to accept that or not
im fine with no automata sequel, i'd rather yoko taro strike out on his own
>>726140808He's Japanese, he's used to his bosses kicking him when he's down
>>726146164It's impossible to say, Reincarnation established a bunch of different time periods/alternate dimensions with room for entire games but it also pushed the timeline so far forward that the universe ended, big banged and looped all the way back around twice so you could do anything inside or after all that as well.Personally I think I'd want something smaller scale set during the red eye war because the reincarnation stories and designs for that era were pretty cool.
>>726153124Correct.
>>726147802I unironically think it's corporate chinese sabotage. Or maybe western sabotage..
>>726151375Automata was a Sony exclusive too.
>>726151375Between this and making several titles Timmy-exclusive for a year or more when they finally came to PC, SE has sabotaged the majority of their catalog
>>726136909I'm ok with this. Automata was such a special game. It would not be followed up easily. Wouldn't mind an Automata sequel eventually but no need to rush to make a sequel just because Automata sold so well.
>>726136909tifa tits > 2b ass
Stellar Blade won
>>726136909>But a lot of them got cancelled midway.Yeah, I was playing Nier Reincarnation when that happened and they took it out back for Ever Crisis of all things. Lmao.
>>726136909Automata's sequel came out though.It was called Nier ReIncarnation.
>>726155403I miss my wife.
>>726151375Square has acknowledged that was retarded in hindsight. Took forever, but these are the dipshits who snubbed Hitman and were like the last dumbass corp going all in on NFTs.
>>726136909>>726137291>>726138221>>726138452>>726147946>Flawless deep combat >Great characters >Great story >Great art direction >Great OST>Waifus >Good graphics >Lots of content >Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends This is a 10/10 game>>726136995FPBP
>>726156398>hey poor playerWhat?
>>726154753>no need to rush to make a sequelOh you need to worry about anything being rushed at Square Enix.
>>726156398>Flawless deep combat
Protecting 7R from criticism on /v/ is my whole life
>>726136909It was more games like Voice of Cards. They got cancelled because, as mentioned in investor reports, SE considered their trial budget title strategy a complete failure.
>>726140808That's something you have to get used to in any creative industry. Tons of things get cut, rejected, canceled, etc. I think that's easier to deal with than having an idea altered so much by executive meddling that you no longer have any interest in it and then having to work on it anyway, though.
>>726156771Maybe it would have performed better if they hadn't called it "Trial Budget: Title Strategy"
VII Remake and XVI over Taro kino is a massive L
At this point the people screeching about ff7r outnumber the cultists 10 to 1. Just look at any e33 thread, nonstop schizo posting about ff7r cultists
>>726136909And the fault lies in rebirth and not the stupid NFT shit square went all in on?
>>726136995Automata sold 3x with 3x less budget. It's also the better game, anyway.
>>726137772b-but the modern audience...
rebirth was an amazing game. anyone saying otherwise is just a shitposter abd is lying for points from other retards. pokemon is literally shit yet sells way more than any other video game, so dont even bring up sales.
>>726144587Square Enix probably makes more money whoring out 2B to other game developers than they do from any of their modern game releases.
I bet they regret that now. Rebirth is a pile of shit that flopped really badly.
>>726137772People didn't want a "faithful remake" because the original is still perfectly playable.We just didn't want whatever the fuck Remake is.
>>726136909>could've had an Automata sequel AND a faithful FFVII remake>chooses to do neither Those are some biblical levels of retardation.
>>726138543for the same reason ubisoft released an ass creed in japan with a negro for no reason.
I'm sick and tired of 2B
>>726161059This, never even played Nier but always see it crossing over with the most nichest game. 2B makes Fornite jealous.
>>726161393So am I. Not tired of her ass though.
>>726154931true statement but the ethics department made sure Tifa looked like a basic bitch asian girl with somewhat decent sized breast. I'm pretty sure 2B has the same size if not bigger tits. Nintendo trapped real Squaresoft aside from Sakaguchi and made their own Tifa which also mogs nuTifa.
>>726136909Kitase, Nomura, Nojima and Toriyama are washed up parasites that would never let someone with actual talent upstage them after having embarrassed themselves blowing 500mil on "Fate and "Destiny" dogshit.
>>726161248>People didn't want a "faithful remake"That's just cope you use to convince yourself that the misdirect was what you wanted all along anyway.>because the original is still perfectly playable.Not perfectly. Games with low-res pre-rendered environments are some of the most deserving of straightforward remakes, especially when the parent company foolishly threw away all their source assets after release and made it impossible to make a remaster with higher-res pre-rendered environments.
Just play the games Taro would play.
>>726137772>probably the most iconic turn based JRPG ever made>turn it into DMC-lite>a french indie studio who made a turn based rpg is going to win game of the yearsquare enix sustain themselves by self induced CBT
>>726161248speak for yourself.i love the original, i replay it once a year.it looks like dogshit and i would kill for a remaster in the style of resident evil 1 for the gamecube.it would've been cheaper for square to do and people probably would've liked it more than this bloated mess of a trilogy they shat out.
>>726136995Rebirth missed SE's sales target so badly that the next part is releasing day-and-date on PC and fucking Nintendo, and made Square Enix (Sony's biggest simps) finally decide to shut down exclusivity deals from that point onward.Maybe tricking people and preemptively showing contempt for their presumed upset was a stupid fucking idea when you want to also expect them to stick around for two more full-priced installments.>>726162842I think the new CEO/people that came in with him looked at the company with relatively fresh eyes and realized "oh my god this company's been run by retarded fucking chimps for 2 decades now", because they're recently taking uncharacteristically logical steps to improve. But it's probably too little, too late at this point, at least where mainline Final Fantasy is concerned.
>>726139732Crazy how this was proven right.>>726153358>>726155707It's Nier 3 in the same way Chain of Memories is the real sequel to KH1, just not the actual console game followup with real production values. Plus, unlike Reincarnation, CoM still existed as a game three years after comong it.
>>726140808that is just how yoko taro is.i do believe he genuinely doesnt give a fuck 90% of the time.
>>726136909I'll believe this if everyone agrees that Sony shut down Japan Studio to recoup losses from TLOU2 flopping
>he thinks it's a Nier sequel that was cancelled
>>726136909>I got paid so i don't care loljew
>>726136909Is nier 1,2 worth it? Looks like shit. I liked ps3 nier though, janky, slow, but comfy.
>>726156398
>>726136909When has Squeenix made a good decision within the past decade?
>>726163127it is genuinely mind boggling how quickly they went from THE japanese studio to "how the fuck are you guys still alive" within a span of ten years.i just love the insane irony of investing such enormous amounts of money into a mediocre ARPG just for some studio to come out of nowhere and make a turn based RPG for 1/10 the budget and win game of the year.
>>726153124Square hasn't made a good video games since the SNES.
>>726163879automata is just nier with better combat and nicer graphics so yes.
>>726163995Actually there's a lot more than you'd think with how shit they are. >World of Final Fantasy>all the SaGa stuff>all the Mana stuff>they someone let Nomura out of the FF7 dungeon to give us Neo Twewy>Strangers of Paradise >Nier 1.22 and Automata if that was under andecade ago>giving up on mobile games
SQUARE PENIS
>>726164190>it is genuinely mind boggling how quickly they went from THE japanese studio to "how the fuck are you guys still alive" within a span of ten yearsWhat the fuck do you mean 10 years? Spirits Within was 24 years ago. Nobidy knows.
>>726163879Do it for Popolo and Devola
>>726164487FF8 came out in 1999.FF13 came out in 2009.compare the drop in quality in the titles between these two periods.
>People actually believing Mr. Taro's schtick.Hes done this shit his entire career. He knows what he makes isn't actually very popular and fucking weird. It's just how he works.
>>726136909what a fag
>>726164190>it is genuinely mind boggling how quickly they went from THE japanese studio to "how the fuck are you guys still alive" within a span of ten years.They coasted HARD off of the PS1 and PS2 being so massively ahead of their competition. Things started significantly falling apart for them going into the HD generation, when Sony was too strapped for cash to bail them out with a massive exclusivity deal since they were already busy fighting the financial fire that was the PS3's first few years. Of course it doesn't help that SE decided to compound the issue by actively making stupid game design and release choices on top of not having Sony's full backing anymore that generation.
>>726156398Are you just going to ignore game has neither the start of its adventure nor the conclusion of its adventure? These games are such bloated messes. It's makes me real sad.
>>726137772It feels good to be a 6 and 9 chad instead. Being a 7fag seems to be suffering
>>726164669Not like a lot of stuff hasn’t been cancelled in the past yearBut it’s not the Nier game people are instantly dreaming up out of nowhere
>>726138043What's funny is they did this...ON FUCKING MOBILEYOU CAN'T BUY IT NORMALLY
WHAT IS THIS DIDDY BLUD DOING?!?!?!?
>>726138221Metaphor won this year
>>726143776They made "something new" like six times before this and the least awful of them was fucking Crisis CoreAnd they made a remaster of that that did pretty well!
>>726151375/thread
>>726151375Good, this shit deserve to bomb
>>726164401>World of Final Fantasyshit>all the SaGa stuffshit>all the Mana stuffvoutsourced>they someone let Nomura out of the FF7 dungeon to give us Neo TwewyItou's game boy Nomura>Strangers of Paradiseoutsourced>Nier 1.22 and Automata if that was under andecade agoshit>giving up on mobile gameshaven't given up on mobile
>>726151806>>726165136Same, i didn't think SE would fuck 7 remake up so bad.
>>726154669I will never forgive them for how badly they fucked over NEO TWEWY. Not only was it a Timmy exclusive on PC, but the evil cunts made its Steam release the year after a fucking shadowdrop, on the night before Persona 5R's port came out (a port which was announced months in advance and was hotly anticipated).
>>726165957So? I don't want dogshit remasters either way you npc cattle.
FUCKING BASED!!
>>726137172>still asspained 8 years later
This is just them hiding the game behind a Parallel Dimension.The game isn't actually cancelled. There's just a chance that nobody will ever find it.
>>726136909Square Enix officially mind broken from all that dick they sucked
>>726136909Based Phil got his stench of death on Square Enix and Yoko Taro paid the price.
>>726136909New Nier game would likely not have sold anywhere near as well as Automata
>>726138543They waited too long, no one under 30 gives a fuck about Final Fantasy
>>726166509They desperately just want to be Ubisoft with anime character designs and are chasing the XV high that happened because it was made for the Uncharted fan which drove Nomura insane. Imagine 10 million pieces of shit buying the hollowed out version of your game and liking it because it was the opposite of what you wanted, that's Nomura. Kawazu games never get their sunlight because of this too iyk.
>>726151295I mostly agree with you but RW was really just a result of the creative cuts to 12. The meat of the game is just all of the character development for vaan and penelo that was cut from the final cut of FFXII.
They should do another FF7 remake but this time do what the fans wanted, the same old game they liked with updated graphics, some tweaks to the combat and some extra content. Should be a lot cheaper to make now that they can just reuse assets from the shitty remake
>>726166778Are you the same person who said that the only way we can enter this is by bashing our heads into copies of FFXIII?
>>726162842So you didn't play either game.
>>726167258I actually think this will happen. Nomura and company probably want us to wait a whole trilogy because they have a thesis statement they want us to agree with (he tried this with Versus). It's also good cover for making all the levels in photorealistic HD.
>>726167258They should move the fuck away from ff7.That shit isn’t getting them anywhere. It’s done. Make something new, cultivate other IPs.
>>726137172Most based poster in this thread.
>>726137172>>726167541samefag
>>726151375People waited 6 years for Silksong. If people lose interest in a game because they have to wait for it for a year or two then I'd argue they really weren't that interested in it to begin with,
>>726167321yes.i'm also the anon that sued bandai namco over hiding half of elden ring.note that FROM didn't comment, even when faced with millions of followers on twitter.i don't accept an oath of silence. that's why we're here.
>>726169349Yeah wait a year while hearing all about the game and then it finally comes out on something you own and you have already moved onIt's not the same as launching for the first time
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>>726148038wasnt that a contract studio owned by a chinese company or am I thinking of a different game
>>726169734Yeah some games manage to sell well past their launch but for most games they sell 90% in the first couple of months
>>726170124>Yeah some games manage to sell well past their launchbut not FF7 Remake/Rebirth
>>726163127SE is undoubtedly the worst managed Japanese game company right now, which is crazy. It’s also crazy in hindsight how the original FFs were so good and iconic that it’s the only thing keeping them alive so many decades later.I know Gooch was being a retard too with his movie but they really should have kept him and just had him stick to producing major FFs. It basically seemed, from my impression, that the company basically imploded after he left.
>>726170309Prove it
>>726137772So they took a risk instead of playing it safe. They have my respect for that, even if it wasn’t perfect.
>>726149342Technically X sold more and is more popular in Japan at least. Which is weird because they have effectively left that fanbase to die in favor of chasing VII
>>726137772You forgot also making it exclusive to PissStation
>>726162842I’m not an anti-yoshida guy but “we’re abandoning turn based because it’s outdated and gamers don’t want it!” literally months before a super slow heavy turn based game sells Skyrim numbers is just…it’s just perfect. Like a cosmic joke, the universe conspiring to prove someone so perfectly wrong. Events like that are rare!
>>726162984At that point just install 7heaven and put HD backgrounds and other stuff to make it look better. I have no problem with how the game looks because it’s a product of its time and I appreciate it for what it is. But if you can’t stand that, then mods is the way to go. I’ll argue a remaster with HD backgrounds and updated models that look similar to the concept art is a cool idea, it’s not something I desperately need but I understand where people like you are coming from.
>>726136909>I got paid for it, so I personally have no issues with thatBASEDASED
>>726170997>I have no problem with how the game looks because it’s a product of its time and I appreciate it for what it is.So in short. Square Enix should have just made FF17, FF18, and started the development of FF19 already, instead of bothering to remake FF7.
If it was a proper remake instead of a shitty stealth sequel the sales would have justified this decision.
>>726136909Automata was trash. They should've just made a direct sequel to the first game
>>726167392> I actually think this will happen.Not gonna happen. Nomura and co have been working on this shit for more than 10 years if preproduction on 7 remake started some years before the 2015 announcement. I don’t think they’ll spend even more time on another remake unless they outsource it to someone else but it’s very unlikely. At best they’ll work on a seamless trilogy version but I’ll qualify that as really big cope since that will require rebalancing three parts to work as a single game.
>>726171434anyone that isn't a retard knows making anything is about trying and failingbe it music, art, or vidya
>>726171495Exactly. But I have a feeling that both Nomura and Kitase have been planing this since Advent Children since Nomura have expressed this sort off unaccomplished kind of feeling since 7 and how it ended and Kitase has been adamant in explaining that the Remake will have a different kind of ending. So I have the impression that 7 Remake was going to happen in one way or another. We’ll see if we get the same ending or not, god knows what were Nomura and/or Kitase thinking while planning Remake.
>>726150093then you have retards here praising asura wrath with even less gameplay
>>7261369099M sounds like a flop to me.
>>726172979to you anything that doesn't sell make 50000 billion profit is a flop
>bet the farm on the FF7 remake>don't release an FF7 remake>make FF7: Re:make instead>make another FF7 expanded universe in spite of the fact that it failed the first time>try to make another multi-media universe despite the fact that it just failed with FF15>completely exhaust the market with $200+ worth of spinoff and DLC slop>gate story details behind gacha kusoge that will go EoS within a few years like all of Square's other gacha shovelwareThe only way Square gets out of its slump is by making actual games, the one thing it adamantly refuses to do without a thousand strings attached.
I tried really hard to like Rebirth but it's the most transparent design-by-committee, commodified-for-mass-appeal shit. It's the definition of slop and it rightly underperformed. >>726171564This. They should've listened to Nomura. But Kitase is on the board of directors and he isn't.
>>726136909Just Squenix things
>>726136909good, game is overrated nihilistic piece of shit carried by gooner bait designs
>>726146319How is Stellar Blade gacha?
>>726136909The FF7 remake games have better combat than Nier Automata which is kinda sad for Platinum even if they're not exactly comparable gamesFwiw i think Automata is ok as an overall package but another example of the journo glazing effect where stupid people feel compelled to like a game more than it deserves if the metacritic score is highAlso i don't find 2B particularly attractive. Sorry gamers
>>726170504in five years FF7 Remake sold 7 million while BL3 sold 22 million in six
>>726169349People waited for Silksong because it was the same team
>>726136909>>726137172Based, Yoko Taro is a retarded hack and his slops are for faggots and trannies. He should've lost his career decades ago if it wasn't ofr his sugardaddy.
>>726173519lmao no it doesn't
>>726173681this but unironically
>>726136995fpbp
>>726151375>EXCLUSIVES DONT SELL!!!!RetardIt's because Sony and SE doesnt understand and/or outright ignore their audience for who buys Playstation in 2025. Who is it? Normies and or hardcore wannabees that are too lazy to build a PC but want to be in the gaming zeitgeist. Playstation and PS has established itself as the "normie" machine hence all of the movie games that Sony 1st party made or fags that buy BF/COD/latest sports game. Action RPGs are the limit of what normies are willing to handle. Instead of tripling down on what made FF unique and popular during the brand's heyday, SE decided to go after today's normies hence the abominations that are 16 and Remake trilogy.Nintendo is known as the "family" machine but they ironically understand how a large part of their fanbase are incels that spawned from the NES/SNES era. Why else would Square Enix make a bunch of games that evoke 16 bit nostalgia i.e the HD2D games that were exclusive to Switch 1? Octopath 1 has sold more on Switch 1 than Octopath 2 did multiplatform. Why else is Dragon Quest's audience is primarily Nintendo? SE were forced to make a 3DS port for 11 just so a mainline DQ wouldn't have taken a brand hit due to relatively low PS4 sales that were made up with the Switch DQ11S port.
>>726173646i.e. Rebirth wasn't worth waiting for
>>726173541>in five years FF7 Remake sold 7 millionWhat about in it's first year? Also what about Rebirth?
It makes sense. Nier Automata is finished. Not making 7 Remake part 3 would leave it unfinished
>>726173893Remake sold 5 million in 4 months then took 3 years to get 7 million. There's no official sales milestone for Rebirth, people have guesstimated around 2-3 million.
>>726136995>Ubisoftbirth wonNo it didn't. It didn't even sell 2M.It flopped and was outsold by FFXVI 2x over.
>>726136909They can't shove homos, trannies and groids in Nier. FF is for that
>>726137172Reminder that an android ass alone could move 9 million copies. Let that sink in.
>>726136909the gameplay was fine but man yoko taro is such a garbage writer, his shit is genuinely juvenile and people eat it right up. I don't get it
>>726169557You're like that Selphie suicide poster but trying to set up a cult of death. Or that yanderefag guy who started his whole thing doomposting in KH threads because Nomura makes games to please himself and not satisfy his shit shota scaly urges.
>>726176908They both exist because people kept posting the Stellafag writeups to seek attention, now they seek attention to post the people who mock the Stellafag writeups who only post here on occasion.Clearly though Versus discourse won in the end. Even Nomura's been encouraging it. He even said in the Ultimania that he had new ideas for Versus as late as 2020.
>>726177064The writeups really exist to unpack the situation using sales numbers and how Americans view chuuni anon. What's ironic is that Stellafag only wrote two of them and then fucked off into the Akitoshi Kawazu rabbit hole. I think SoP and NEO fill the void of what Nomura can say anyway if we're not focusing on KH3. What's more telling is that several PS1 devs apparently left Square in the last year?
>>726176908>Selphie suicide poster...what?
>>726177524>he didn't learn the secret to living in Balamb Garden
>>726174962>They can't shove homos, trannies and groids in Nier.no the problem is that Taro makes those characters normally while also writing them as cannibalistic pedophiles so none of the jews want to invest in something that isn't actually subversive
>>726170497>SE is undoubtedly the worst managed Japanese game company right nowcapcom is coming back for that title actually
>>726151375nier was also exclusive and still sold better
>>726137172spbp
>>726170715Nojima went out of his way to completely murder X while high off of XIII giving the nomura goon squad all the brain damage that made them give up and go back to VII compilation
>>726177337nomura had relatively little to do with sop and twewyJack's Game is probably closer to what nomura wants to make than really anything he's ever done, but team ninja did all the heavy lifting there
>>726137772EXACTLY! It was such an easy home run, the most guaranteed slam dunk of all time and they fuck it up beyond belief in a way that's so bad and so autistic that I'm baffled that it made it through multiple layers of approval before being greenlit for release. FF7 is their golden goose, the fuck are they doing?? How the fuck do you remake 7 and LOSE money? Are they retarded??? FUCK
>>726137172>low brow garbage for weeb incelsi do not understand how you can play nier and come away thinking it's for weeb incels just because 2b is hot
>>726137772>just give me the game I already playedWhyJust install an HD texture pack on your existing modern port of the original game
>>726165136>Are you just going to ignore game has neither the start of its adventure nor the conclusion of its adventure?Yeah what the fuck were they thinkingOnly a fucking idiot would write a three-part narrative
>>726180315Let's not forget, they also initially outsourced the project to Cyberconnect2. They may make a fine kemono boob mousepad, but FF7R was way out of their scope, and it just showed how cynically SE views FF7. They almost seem to resent that its popularity and fame has endured for as long as it had and that people had an expectation/desire for years to see more done with it than simply being milked for spinoffs and merch. Well congrats, SE, you spiteful assholes: you sure finally put a stop to that expectation.
>>726149579I mean if they adhered strictly to the fixed camera and screen ideas of the original, yeah, even with some new spaces added in. The goddamn phone game is doing some of that. It's their autism in trying to make a whole ass open world with vaster spaces (filled with a lot of treasure items or being paths for side quests rather than much for their own content half the time) combined with aiming to flesh out the world that is a self-inflicted over-scope hell.
>>726171495>So in short. Square Enix should have just made FF17, FF18, and started the development of FF19 already, instead of bothering to remake FF7.Ditch the retarded excess of numbers at this point, but yes.
>>726138543Literally by breaking it into parts. If they just went ham and made a 3 disc adventure that was one flat price for the whole thing, everyone would have bought it immediately and it would have shattered records.Instead, they went this route. The 2nd game was also going to have shit sales, because the available audience for it is smaller. It really only appeals to people that finished the 1st game and didn't get filtered by the rugpull. Everyone else who bought the 1st one and hated it want nothing to do with it, and other people who didn't play remake also don't care.Retribution/Requiem/Return/Retard is going to sell next to goddamn nothing, because it has the same going for it but is just another layer. Now you have to have beaten the first 2 and not get filtered to get this one. It's a shitshow.
>>726136909>Square cancelled Automata sequel in favour of continuing the failed FF7 remake series>Nowhere in OP's screenshot does it state that specifically a Automata game was canceled>Nowhere in OP's screenshot does it state anything about FF7 Remake>No link to article providedIt's sad that so many anons in this thread were retarded enough to fall for this obvious bait.
Where in the paragraph does it say they cancelled Nier for FF and why did nobody call this out
>>726183867Because retards just want an excuse to cry about the Remake trilogy like people would pay top tier price for a skin/model update of the entire world.
>>726183867>thinking Animemata is as big as FF7Fuck off, weeb.
>>726184109Where in my post did I state that "Animemata is as big as FF7"? Did you reply to the wrong post?
>>726149342>Wrong. FF7 is literally THE most popular JRPG ever and anyone claiming otherwise is coping.pointing to june 28th this year>Square Enix has now announced that since its original release, Final Fantasy VII has sold 15.1 million units worldwide. That figure doesn't include remakes or spin-offs of any kind, this number pertains to the original Final Fantasy VII and all the platforms it eventually made its way to.That's sales over the lifetime span of nearly 29 years, with large gaps of nothing going on and simply having legacy backing it up. Meanwhile in less than 9 years, Persona 5 has 10.45 million units sold (between base and Royal) which isn't all that hot compared to what some thought but is quite a bit faster in the success rate, Expedition 33 being a very JRPG-inspired game has sold 5 million within this year alone since April, Pokemon games on average nowadays singlehandedly beat out Final Fantasy VII per release (5.8 mil was Legends ZA's first week, and half of the mainline franchise has sold more than 15mil), and certain Dragon Quest games like III, V, and XI all beat Final Fantasy VII overall.Raw numbers don't look that hot in the face of immediate popularity or bigger numbers nowadays. VII is still impressive, certainly, but it's not the end-all be-all of JRPGs for success. It isn't even the highest-selling Final Fantasy; that "honor" goes to XIV. And if we're actually talking SOCIAL popularity? Literally only older gamers, people who hate the Compilation a lot, and talks around the remake trilogy actually stir much for VII, it doesn't have the memes of X, or the MMO factors - controversial or otherwise - of XIV. It's way more liked than VIII or IX, but that's not saying much. I say this as a fan of VII despite knowing its flaws: stop sucking VII's cock.
>>726183957square enix sold the rights to lara croft and at the same time invested heavily in nftsthis doesn't mean a person literally got a big monopoly money sack from selling lara croft and then brought that money sack to an nft storeit does mean they prioritized something retarded over something potentially valuablesimilarly, if they cancel multiple yoko taro projects but fund ff16 and dawntrail, their priorities are fucked.
>>726137772Falcom and KT trashed Square on how the remake an old game. See Atelier Marie trashing Pokemon BDSP on how to use chibi graphics on remaster and Sky FC on how to modernize a game and still retain most aspects of the original.
>>726175225It's not like we weren't already aware when stellar blade reminded everyone.
>>726182118It was written as one book broken up into 3 at publisher request
>>726136909I thought that was a platinum game?
>>726136909Good i am happyFF7 remake and rebirth are better games than automata and in fact rebirth is the best jrpg since DQ8
>>726175225And untold billions with figmas and statues.
>>726184230The problem with the argument is what you already admitted - raw numbers don't hold up in an argument about popularity. See example: the time FF7 was originally released, vs the time P5 was. P5 had an automatically larger sales base to start with, strictly on account of the larger amount of video game consumers available at release time.That said, there are some comparable metrics between FF7, P5, and DQ. P5 got an anime. P5 also got a couple spin-off games. Games that are popular enough to keep branching themselves off without relying on the franchise name alone, can be considered to be popular. So at that point the question is, which has clearly appealed to the most people across the broadest range.Whether you like 7 or not, I think it's fair to say it's made a greater popular impact than P5 or any particular DQ has(dq as a whole is fucking crazy in japan, and FF as a whole can't compare, but we're talking about individual entries.)
>>726169734Borderlands isn't a PC exclusive. >but the AI saidsubhuman retard
>>726137772Yeah, i have no idea what the fuck they were thinking with time jannies.
>>726184235oh, its barryfuck off barry
>>726163127>FFVII made SE move away from Nintendo>FFVII brought them back to NintendoHoly KINO
>>726184872Honestly I think of impact as a different idea in regards to what VII managed to do, in that it changed the JRPG landscape to follow its lead, be more cinematic in presentation, and get a LOT more weird and experimental with their stories in the following years. It's like how so many stealth and/or action games just kinda ripped Metal Gear off in a multitude of was, such as Disaster Day of Crisis or Spy Fiction. A lot of modern JRPG elements people associate with things don't even start with VII, such as a varied cast of characters with their own stories and what they bring to a party dynamic, but it's the game that popularized a ragtag bunch of misfits and an internally-troubled protagonist with messy hair and an oversized sword.When it actually comes to talking about VII itself, most people just remember Sephiroth stuff and Aerith dying, which is a long-standing cultural impact, but I never see folks talk about Reeve's small arc and the fake Cait Sith sacrifice, Palmer getting hit by a truck after being an annoying little shit, or so forth.
>>726136909oh no Yoko Taro doesn't get to make another game where you play as a sexbot and *gasp!* YOU HAVE TO DELETE YOUR SAVE TO GET THE TRUE ENDING!!
>>726156398>inferior in literally every regard other than resolution to the original
>>726136909Ass physics is being held back by consoles. I don't want a sequel until consoles make a machine good enough to produce good ass physics at 120 fps
>>726137172SPBP. Retarded coomers lost.
>>726183468Breaking it into parts was stupid. Breaking it into parts and THEN tricking people with the first part and telling them that they're dumb poopooheads if they don't like getting a sequel instead of a remake pushed it from stupid to suicidally stupid.We need to study the strain of brainrot that started to become prominent since the mid-2010s or so, among creators who decided that they needed to use golden opportunities to revisit long-dormant properties as a soapbox to tell the world how miserable they are and how much they fucking despise their longterm fans. Newcomer or veteran to the property, western or eastern, male or female, doesn't matter - this brainrot seems to not distinguish whom it infects.
>>726143312In the 80s and 90s, the managers at 90% of these companies had never played a video game in their lives and yet they successfully oversaw the creation of some of the greatest titles of all time.
>>726184906The crux of the argument is having to wait a year supposedly caused FF7 Rebirth to lose untold sales yet you got games that sell more as time goes on like Nier Automata and BL3. Please explain why this only affects Rebirth and not those games.
>>726185043barry mind broke you
>>726173681Yoko straight up calls his games dumb slop shit that he does sorely to get paid though.
>>726136909That's not what the quote says.It's one thing to start a thread with facetious ragebait, that's a time-honoured tradition. But it's just sad to see an anon stooping to basically writing the headline for a misleading clickbait article you'd see on the trashiest "journalism" website.
>>726142103Why?
>>726151375When Rebirth comes out, PS5 sold as much as PS4 did, and yet it only sold about half as much as the previous entry on launch week. This exclusivity shit is just a cope, an excuse made by Remakefags to justify why people aren't buying this this disgrace to the og game.
>>726148721>FF7 was never as big as they thought it was. The fanbase was just VERY loud.
>>726148721this might be one of the most retarded posts on /v/ - video games
>>726185464 Hard agree. Every time I see those pre-rendered ass cutscenes running at 30fps like it’s 2013 all over again, a part of me dies inside. If I can’t experience real-time cheek ripple physics when 2B backflips over a Goliath, then what the hell are we even doing here? Stop holding the industry back, Sony. I want ray-traced ass dimples.
>>726137772
>>726136909At this point no matter what they do, they die.Square Enix is the Ubisoft of Japan.
Ironically the thing that saved them in the past is now slowly killing their future
>>726188432>At this point no matter what they do, they die.and I'm ok with that, with the disaster that was ff16 I want them to end that series, they're only ruining its legacy more and more with those new retarded entries
>>726138452rebirth fans are some of the most unhinged "people" on this shithole
>>726136909I didnt need to see this.
>>726177337>The writeupsWhat writeups?>Stellafag>Akitoshi KawazuWho?>>726177064>He even said in the Ultimania that he had new ideas for Versus as late as 2020.What the fuck Nomura
>>726136995>Nier sold nine million>Oh yeah? FF7 Rebirth sold less than that! Checkmate!
>>726188968>struggling to reach sales of og game in modern day>counting both installmentsi can't imagine how bad it must feel putting out one of the most relevant games, jerking off to it for 20 years, then finally when the tech is there and you can finally cum the remake episodes come and go like wet farts in the wind
>>726188649Because they don't treat it with the respect that something that saved their asses deserves. The corporate side treats it as something that needs to be cynically exploited, and the creatives treat it as a weapon to turn against fans.
>>726136909>I got paid for it, so I personally have no issues with thatis this a bad or unusual mindset to have? I work in a project-based role and sometimes things get cancelled and I go "phew good riddance" most of the time
>>726136909Why would it have to be one or the other? Nier costs less to make
>>726136909The Rebirth series is actually pretty good.Its not my Midgar but its close enough to make me feel somewhat alive again.
>>726137493Guess he didn't have enough sway to get a sex scene in the Automata anime, since he was tard wrangled and that idea was shot down.
>>726137493I genuinely believe he's blackmailing SE, after making drakengard 3 I was like this man will be banned on every single video game companies ever, and it didn't happen lmao
Hey, have you played Ocarina of Time? Have you played Breath of the Wild? Would you call Breath of the Wild a remake of Ocarina of Time? No, right? But why not?They both have Link, Zelda and Ganon. They both have Gorons, and Zora, and Gerudo and Sheikah. They both have Death Mountain and Kakariko Village. They both have the Master Sword. Hell, they both have the Temple of Time, and the Great Deku Tree!And yet, they are two completely different games, despite the common elements between them.That's what Final Fantasy VII Remake and Rebirth are like. They aren't remakes of Final Fantasy VII. They are completely different games compared to the original, just with some common elements and a vaguely similar story.I think Square-Enix made a huge mistake by marketing Remake/Rebirth as a remake of Final Fantasy VII. I mean, imagine how stupid it would be if Breath of the Wild was called Ocarina of Time Remake. This might go down as one of the biggest marketing blunders in the history of the medium.And in the end, I'd pick Ocarina of Time over Breath of the Wild, and I'd pick the real Final Fantasy VII over Remake or Rebirth.
>>726190860>That's what Final Fantasy VII Remake and Rebirth are like. They aren't remakes of Final Fantasy VII. They are completely different games compared to the original, just with some common elements and a vaguely similar story.I think their intent was to "improve" on the story of original ff7, but I'm like no one asked for this, the story was fine as it was
>>726190923And I would be completely fine with Remake/Rebirth being different than the original if they weren't marketed as remakes.If it was something like Final Fantasy VII Alternative, or Final Fantasy Versus VII, or even Final Fantasy XVII, then I wouldn't have an issue with it. But saying it was a "remake", was a huge mistake.
>>726191035>But saying it was a "remake", was a huge mistake.they wanted their cake and eat it too, they wanted to modify the story but at the same time call it a "remake" to get some engagement, because they're not that dumb they know a 1:1 remake is what people actually want
>>726136909>i got paid for it, so i personally have no issues with thatbased>>726189423unusual, i believe specially in japan they live mostly for the company, having achievements and being recognized
>>726184468Hm sounds a lot like the VII remake project splitting one game into three
>>726189621because op is making shit up
>>726136909makes sense. 2b was the only good thing about nier and without her the game is gonna flop.
>>726150587>far lowerim not even a nier fag but you don't know how to use adjectives
I can't wait to see Prime Timeline Cloud Strife in front of thousands of Cetra Portals and every other version of the party characters appearing in the background like KKK Barret, Nigger Tifa, RaccoonDog Red13/Nanaki and Aerith forma di Luchador and say;>AVALANCHE! ASSEMBLE!It's going to be so kino I wish it was shown on cinema so we'd see fans go crazy like Chicken Jokey
Stop bitching about SquareEnix. You all sound like scorned ex lovers who just can't let it go.
>>726136909Good. Finish what they started. They can dig into the Nier well whenever. They already whore out 2B to any company that asks for collabs.
>>726137172>low brow garbage for weeb incelsYeah that's literally all Square-Enix does. FF7R is the same shit.
>>726164331Nicer graphics?
>>726138543they made it too late.
>>726137772>could've kept a simple manga artstyle from the OG concept art, but went for the Advent Children hyper realismI also had mentioned this plenty of times to friends irl and a few times on here. This would have been so much better assuming they tried doing a remake that stayed closer to the original of course. But in hindsight it would be way better if it was never remade to begin with.
>>726153124False that would be Stranger of Paradise.
>>726191140Don’t forget about all of that bullshit trying to redefine what a Remake is.
>>726137172I brought tissues but didn't think I'd need them for tears.
>>726136909Fake news
>>726198402Much better, yet less sales. However, cheaper production, too.The 4k 60fps mod is what you'll love.>>726137772
>>726136909>Square paying Taro to sit in purgatory Are they tard wrangling him with money? Wtf is going in? We could be getting a Drakengard remake right now. FUCKING SQUARE ENIX!
>>726136909Thats wrong though. I was at the Nier Orchestral Gig in London which Taro was at, and that gig is essentially an epilogue to Ending E. Taro confirmed at the end that more Nier is in the works. That was only last year
I hope Square Enix eventually let Yoko Taro collab with a good sexdoll company and release a high quality 2B, A2 and Nier Commander sexdoll and not something creepy like picrel...
>>726167052wrong. it was lying about when they would remake 7 back with the PS3, lying about it being a remake until release, completely changing the entire game design, making a fanfic tier "copy" of the story, selling each disc as separate installment, trying to shove DLC inbetween those installments, lying about hardware limitations to get people to double dip, and cutting content and then stuffing the games full of padding.
>>726167052correct
>>726149915Yoko Taro is a hack who hates his own creation, as shown by the fact he prostitutes 2B to gutter oil mobile slop.Happens to the best of us.
>>726202726>a hack who hates his own creationjust like Square Enix who hates FF, fitting that they hired him.
>>726202726>implying he even gets to make those decisions
>>726202726George Lucas syndrome
>>726136909>Where is my reading comprehension?????Where does it say the Squeenix cancelled a NieR sequel? Yoko Taro only says that his "side projects" are getting cancelled midway through.
>>726136909>>726137172https://vidyagaemawards.com/Nier: Automata was the Least Worst Game of the Year in 2017 according to the /v/gas. Suck it, anon.
>>726137172Holy TRVTHNVKE making 2b simps seethe
>>726140808I think it's likely he actually doesn't give a fuck, but even if he did, saying "My employer paid me through the nose to halfway make something that they ended up liking so little that they decided to throw it away, and that pisses me off" is just burning bridges unneccessarily
>>726148065>>726136995I think it speaks for how unsubstantial these kind of awards are if Rebirth can get so many nominations and awards and still fail. Maybe instead of trying to win an awards from a few hundred journalists they should make a game people actually want to play,
>>726204058>Rebirth can get so many nominations and awards and still failuhm it didn't fail, next one is coming and it'll break the internet
It wasn't a good game anyway, fuccboi android is not something straight men want to play as
>>726136909It sounds more likely that this is due to the restructuring and focus shift to "less games with more quality" (actually we mean just making a bunch of remakes while we panic about what the fuck to do and still not fix our real issues) that happened not so long ago.
>>726204092>uhm>Takashi Kiryu: we released multiple new titles, including major titles such as Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, but profits unfortunately did not meet our expectations.
>>726189143>i can't imagine how bad it must feel putting out one of the most relevant games, jerking off to it for 20 years, then finally when the tech is there and you can finally cum the remake episodes come and go like wet farts in the windMeanwhile Pokemon remakes a game every 4~5 years since 2004 and it sells 10-15million every time, including the remake of the remake (RBY --> FR/LG -->LGPE).
>>726204476SE has been shitting the bed for about 20 years now, but using Pokemon as a reference is absolutely retarded.
>>726204440but 6 gorillion players
>>726204718>SE has been shitting the bed for about 20 years now, but using Pokemon as a reference is absolutely retarded.Why? It shows just how easy it would have been for Square to just remake FF7 and just make the 2D backdrops into small 3D environments and make bank.
>>726136909And where exactly does he say that it was in favor of FF7? Because surely, Square can make more than one game at once.
>>726204810>Why?They have an entire fanbase who think that buying up playing cards will pay for their retirement. You're right about SE being retarded though. They probably would have made significantly more revenue on a smaller budget if they weren't so focused on trying to reinvent the wheel for the sake of doing something different.
>>726204476Why can't they be more like Nintendo? Imagine releasing a FF game with the formula they had back in older FF games, pre-13
>>726205283since the merger they already have a franchise like that with DQ
>>726136995>>726137172Debirthtroon moment
>>726137172play for android assstay for the game
>>726161393good thing we have A2
>>726136909I don't think they're cancelling his Nier shit, it's likely he came up with slop that's not worth releasing. A year ago or so I read a manga written by him (Thou Shalt Not Die I think) and it was extremely boring, cringe and lame, I think it got cancelled even so it's telling.Voice of Cards is just ok, not a real card game by the way, it's got a bunch of recycled tropes (Beasts of Burden is kino)
I hope they go bankrupt and get bought out by the saudis.
>>726209687can the saudis make a more horny Nier game?
>>726209793dunno I just want Square to die
That's not how Square works. They have divisions and Nomura has his own division with his own regular team members and project plans and that does not involve or interfere with anything Yoko Taro has been doing, same as the DQ division, etc. FF7 and KH4 has been set out since before Nier Automata came out.
>>726201038he already tried post d3 but it got rejected, a good thing considering how bad the it was (dod1.3)
Knowing Taro these projects were probably dogshit like the mobile game and not actual nier 3
>>726210125Taro projects go through Saito. It wasn't a nier game that was cancelled anyway.
>>726206854You're brown and you lost
>>726137172Based and true, qier sucks
>>726151295>FFX-2 released before the FF7 spinoffsThe success of FFX led to FFVII getting poisoned.
>>726138543They literally were in denial over one simple fact.MidgarCloudSephirothIS FINAL FANTASY 7 AND THOSE RETARDS DECIDED TO IGNORE THAT
>>726136909>release nothing >get paid
>>726212369He's getting money from 2B getting imported into other games. He's like a pimp with his digital prostitute
>>726181548Why not just make a honest sequel
>>726136909>female protagonist game>goodI don't like Rebirth either, but I don't care for your shitty arguments
>>726136909Japanese people are such fucking doormats to their corporate overlords. It's so pathetic how emasculated they are. Makes me sick.
>>726136909Given all his half assed projects I highly doubt the cancellations were related to a Nier sequel
>we lost android ass in favor of Tifa's titsIs this what its called a phyrric victory?
>>726156739Kek. I haven't played Re(tcon) FF7s but from gameplay footage I saw combat system gives me Crisis core vibes. And this game was shit even for psp standarts lol
>>726212883Well you can find 2B's ass in more games than Tifa's tits... like Sovl Calibur 6 or Stellar Blade for example...
>>726149342>FF7 is literally THE most popular JRPG everMaybe 15 years ago. Persona is more popular now. Final Fantasy is a boomer series. Kids these days don't care about the series.
>>726213178SE is more protective of their in house IPs, but stuff like Nier they're happy to whore out.
>>726136909>Quote doesn't say a single thing about Autotomato>Anon just goes ahead and adds it in regardless
>>726212640Yeah man, he should be like this is freakin America heck yeah yall and just leave and try to make his own games that cost 100 million to develop then just distribute it himself but then realize that is impossible and live off welfare so he can stick it to the man by leeching off people with actual jobs because he don't take no guff and he should.be able to do whatever he wants and the only way to make that a reality is to severely limit the range of what you are able to actually do, so like, if he didn't make games and instead just posted on anime sites his whole life nobody could stop him and he would be a strong independent black woman!
>>726167052>no one under 30 gives a fuck about Final FantasyThis is the harsh truth. Square killed one of the biggest video game series in the most pathetic way possible. Kids these day have no idea who Sephiroth is.
>>726139732 nailed it, they could look at a new taito ip game failing and be schizo enough to connect to it to ff7r or ff16
>>726136995And millions of people actively avoided it because they went Ghost Busters 3 on FF7.Why do you think FF7 Remake has like 7-8 million sales and Rebirth isn't anywhere near it?
>>726136909The hell is wrong with Squeenix?!Let this man cook and release the weird ffs!
>>726136909By "various projects" he most likely means mobile trash and small side games. Square wouldn't cancel an actual full scale Nier sequel.
>>726215169they cancelled an FF9 remake 4 years into development
>>726215376they had to, FF7Rebirth needed that money
Did he really pull the "I got paid, so who cares?" card? I miss when Devs actually listened to feedback and not assume, in their ridiculously small bubble of opinions, of what the people buying their shit wants.
>>726215587maybe he got tired of Square Enix not letting him release/finish his projects
>>726140808didn't retro studios work for over a decade having nothing at all greenlighted? Seems like a common occurence in game dev.
>>726138543They somehow managed to fail at releasing an actual remake, only releasing it in title and dooming the remake to never happen.
>>726136909based, fuck assfags.never played remakeshit btw
>>726147946FF7R issue was being a ps timed exclusive, there aren't enough consoles going around to sell the numbers they needed.
>>726215376more likely full reboot
>>726136909That's just a classical squeenix move.Sacrifice anything, even if it's doing ok or has potential, to subsidize Final Fantasy.
EZ bait
>>726215587Would you rather have him lie to you?
>>726210614He also worked on an anime and it ended up being a mirai nikki clone with the shittiest possible 3d animation
>>726210614he wasnt the main director for any of those, last time he was credited with that role was with automata 9 years ago
>>726137430Shift up should hire Taro work on it.
>>726162984So, you just want a texture mod.Install that then. Like I stated, the original game is still perfectly playable.
>guy that is primarily known for making janky games with weird, dark stories struggles to get projects off the groundIs this supposed to be surprising? Do people not realise that Automata was a huge outlier to his career?
>>726215587It's because he's Japanese and can get away with it because Japan Sugoi!IF any western dev said this, /v/ would drag them through broken glass and constantly state "this is exactly what's wrong with the industry!"
Taro is a one trick phony
>>726140808as long he gets the bag, yoko doesn't five a fuckthat is the reason he has been chasing the gacha whales
>>726156739For me the combat was not the worst, even tho I found the OG ATB system more prone to an intense strategic experience, especially for bosses.I kinda like rebirth, espcially due to nostalgia, but for me the worst was the lack of game design in the "open zone" between story beats: the fucking mini chocobos following you everywhere, the flying phenix telegraphing you where its spot is, the overall lake of organic feeling in the game systems. That and how they massacred and dumb down Cid Highwind to fit him in the story somehow.It was technically really nice tho.
>>726205283from FFX onwards SE made FF be THE franchise for graphical evolution. now it has become a money black hole because having high end graphics is ingrained in the minds of people and SE can't back off from it.this has never happened to Dragon Quest, so they just remake the old games in a single game with 3D or 2D graphics just fine and it just sells
>>726136909>I believe that if I'm going to release something weird, I'd be better off not releasing anything at all.He has that backwards
>>726137430i started playing stellar blade cause of nude kara but stayed cause the story is pretty good. wish they would have expanded on the downfall of humans more. supposedly the next game is going to be more story driven.
>>726216201There is but a huge chunk of piss5 owners are fifaniggers. ff7 and all its spin offs are unreal engine slop.
>>726149978Combat compared to their previous game is a massive letdownPretentious plot that will only appeal to youngsters (I guess it's appropriate given gaming is targeted toward kids)Garbage art-styleMusic is the only really good element I praise to this day
>>726161393Have you tried this cutie?
>>726138543Tales of said "ff7? I can do that too." And literally made ff7 but better (tales of the abyss)Square enix was so mindbroken over it they copied Tales games to the point 16 is literally just Arise but somehow worse.And ff7 is trying to do the "future is pre determined" narrative like Abyss now.
>>726219092He also says the reason he wears the mask is because developers are not entertainers and then proceeds to be an entertaining goofball whenever he gets spotlight.
>>726137493From what I understand they keep quietly shafting his actual projects then tossing him on mobile games of his IP where he has continually had the soul forcefully sucked out of his IPs one gacha at a time. His own resentment for the Nier gacha they put him on for years post automata coalesced in hum canonical taking away everything from a player in the end of the game.They keep lightning in a bottle believing unleashing a little bit of it is too strange and unconventional of a plot or setting and that it'd become a market failure despite his titles being known for success at best cult popularity at worst. I'm basically a shill for the fella though because I will buy whatever game they let him off the leash for next.
>>726221871He has also said before that it ruins the magic. Soon as the mask comes off and you get official confirmation "this is a person and not just Hideki Kamiya larping as a Squenix wagie" all the magic is gone. He knows damn well he's an entertainer.
>>726140808He has said before that he’ll do anything for money.
>>726136909>Cancel a bunch of potentially good-to-great sequels to a game that evena decent amount normalfags love to some extent for a dead fundmentally shit series no one but absolute autists have cared about since the late 2000sThe Japanese boomers running this company are fucking retarded. It's like they're allergic to money or making money. I don't think anything Yoko Taro makes will hit quite as hard as Nier Automata, not because he's shit at his job directing and producing the Nier series and more because Nier:A's success was a lucky break, but considering how cheap it is to make the type of games he wants and how they have a solid fanbase along with some fans of Nier:A that might be interested, I'd bet on the success of his game over a series that hasn't had any cultural relevance since the disaster that was FFXIII.>>726215587I'd be pretty pissed too if retarded corporate redtape got in the way of me actually producing my projects and doing my job. Being paid is a positive for all that wasted work though.
forspoken 2 will save square enix
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>>726143312The corporate dream is to have a Pokemon-level IP where you can release literally whatever the fuck and people will buy it in droves. Final Fantasy will probably never reach those "heights" but the possibility has any C-level executive foaming at the mouth to try.
