Wait for tomorrow (unless?) editionHOLD THE LINEprevious thread >>726243843>Inb4 is not happeningREAD YOU IDIOThttps://miro.com/app/board/uXjVINqBTwM=/READ!!!
>>726257232
8 minutes till 4pm, if we still don't have a banner,i have no fucking clue kek
>>726257232Blue shift mod for Black Mesa already exists
SO...>HL3 drops>It has ai assets/gameplayI actually wouldn't be surprised.If the Borealis is some kind of inter-dimensional portal then something non-euclidean better be in store.
>>726257232For real guys here's the logohttps://files.catbox.moe/ou9ys3.jpg
So what happens if Half Life 3 is real but its gay and reddit like Metroid Prime 4?
>>726257507The meltdown would rival Cyberpunk 2077
tomorrow for sure guys!!!!!
>>726257476Honestly if anyone can pull something like that off it's probably valveAnd if they do pull something like that off it would be a huge game changer for the entire industry
>>726257507HL2 was already gay and reddit tier
>>726257507If there's even a single joke in the trailer /v/ will act like it's WW3
>>726257694like loot-boxes and cinematic gameplay?
>2 minutes left>STILL no banner
>>726257507Mass /v/ suicide (probably a net positive)
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.I am done fucking listening to this place and the bullshit lies.Half Life 3 is NOT getting announced and I am DONE listening to fake news around here.We are DONE being friends /v/.
>>726257815No that would just be normal shit.
>>726257476There's no indication whatsoever that Valve is relying on AI sloppa
>>726257857I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING LEAKS ON THIS MOTHERFUCKING WEBSITE!
You faggots should spam these two very important videos in case some other faggots haven't seeing it yethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZ3HzvFEtohttps://youtu.be/YCjNT9qGjh4
NOTHING*CLAP*EVER*CLAPHAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*CLAP*
>huffs intense hopium
>>726257507If they brought back Wolpaw, run. He wrote Portal 2 and Alyx.If it's Laidlaw (doubt), it's smooth sailing.
you niggers are so fucking goddamn retarded KEK!
>>726258051Wolpaw also co-wrote the Episodes
>TOMMOROW AFTERNOONTOMMOROW AFTERNOON >TOMMOROW AFTERNOONTOMMOROW AFTERNOON >TOMMOROW AFTERNOONTOMMOROW AFTERNOON >TOMMOROW AFTERNOONTOMMOROW AFTERNOON
>>726257797>>726258156It's confirmed today
What do I have? What can I have, if not my hope?
>>726258117Yes, but his Joss Whedon tier quips were reigned in by better people.
>>726258247confirm dese nuts haha lmaooo
THE HOPING WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
Why do people even follow that doughboy retard Tyler?
Tomorrow.
I love the way Half-Life: Alyx looks.
the only non retarded opinion is: trailer probably before the end of the year
all the >nothing ever happensniggers trying to make fun of the threads clearly are new to the whole "HL3 tomorrow!"-thing.It isn't the destination. It's the journey. And over the last couple days I got more than a handful of hearthy chuckles over the memes and screencap-worthy retardation on a board I long gave up on otherwise. Worth.
>>726257232i have zero interest in this besides shitposting. hl2 fucking blowz.
>>726258405What the fuck did you expect? /v/ is full of retarded zoomers/indians who have no idea about board culture
>>726258405SO. MUCH. THIS.TAKE ALL MY UPBOATS
>>726257232How do you think the logo will look like guys
>>7262586144chan doesn't have upvotes newfag
>>726258359Wtf is his damn problem?
HOPE STATUS?
>>726258716>upvoteshe said upboats you retard, he is throwing borealises at him
>>726258658i will send BBC crews out to rape every chuddie once the announcement drops
>>726258680https://files.catbox.moe/86q4lh.jpgSOMETHING LIKE THIS
>>726258789DONE
>>726257232copium*
>>726258789ill never lose it
>>726258789holding the line, waiting for tomorrow unless something happens
Modern internet and gamers don't deserve a good hl3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpw2ebhTSKsLet's fucking go, rev up that old ass forum Gordon Freeman PFP senpai, we going to citadel
>>726258789NOT LOST
The crow strikes the can Dominos on the chessboard8 degrees nautical 3
>>726258913>36 million viewsgoddamn
>>726258976what
>both had an update an hour ago, down to the second>"this update affected 2k items" on bothI'm still convinced one of these entries is HL3, I just am confused why there's two entries at all and why they are connected seemingly.https://steamdb.info/app/1063600/history/https://steamdb.info/app/1275750/history/
>>726259075My theory is that one is HLX/HL3 proper and the other one is Source 2 SDK
>>726259075one is vr maybe?
>>726259075It's the store page for the Frame and Machine
If HL3 is finally out, I want the game to reference the mental illness surrounding it.
>>726257483she literally looks like my mom
>>726259075>>"this update affected 2k items"That usually means it was an automated change from maintenance or what not to update store tags and metadata.
>>726259075Because Project TF is also coming out according to the leaks. I don't know if it's TF3 or a remake of 2 in the new source engine.
>>726259202>valve pokes fun at the community for the hl3 schizophrenia by having a mini cult making you run quests in the arctic because they "swore they saw the borealis but can't tell you when/how/what it looked like" etc.
The shit hits the fart Bowl in disarray 10 flushes Pee
>>726259075wait a fucking second it happened earlier on the Nov 12 twice.
>>726259075Changenumbers don't mean anything by themselves and ones that affect thousands of others even less so.
What do they eat?
>>726259232tf3 aint happening, it'd clash against deadlock which is a confirmed product they're shipping/releasing
>>726258789Unchallenged.It's releasing tomorrow.
>>726259274>picrel is what im about to do to all the faggot doomer spammers telling us we're retarded for waiting on game thats already finished developmentSPIRIT GUN
>>726259202you can be sure there'll be some "kept you waiting huh?" moment
Doctor Freeman, I presume?
NOTHING EVER HAPPENSNOTHING WILL HAPPENNOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED!
>>726258680My dad works at Steam and showed me the logo. Basically, it'll be an orangle circle with a rounded triangle in the top right corner. There's the greek letter lambda inside the circle and the number 3 inside the triangle.
>>726259075Could be HL3 and TF3, both updating their source 2 - thus similar size and timing.Or L4D3, Portal 3, etc. You get the point.
Is it true Gabe Newell joked about killing the leaker of half life 2 once upon a time?
>>726259583We did kill him.
>>726259203You are Adopted.
>>726259583>>726259625>joked
>>726259350I agree with you that TF2's market is the same as deadlock.But on the other hand, the dataleaks show that project TF really is the name of the thing. So if could be something else like a Team Fortress themed game that isn't a hero shooter or maybe something else they're shortening to TF.
>>726258789Hope? AliveThe Plan? TrustedI don't even care if it's a mediocre game, i need to see it ending. A generational ending, once Gaben dies Steam will never EVER be the same, Half Life 3 will be Valve swansong.
its out
>>726259583The leaker's suicide was a tragedy and it had nothing to do with Valve Corporation or Gabe Newell.
>>726259075>>726259274EVERY TIME THE "this update affect [x] items" THE UPDATES MATCH UPNOV 18NOV 12 TWICENOV 4OCT 29OCT 28OCT 23OCT 21I jumped back to Jan 2021 to see if I could find a very early match up, on Jan 12 2021 both IDs had an update pushed "changing 1k items" at the exact same time again.
I just want an ending
>>726257232Would 4chan bang if she was my momhttps://files.catbox.moe/z7fn2j.jpg
2 hours
>>726257232Lmao we're making general threads for this now?
>>726259843Yea I don't I'm going to click this, bro.
>>726259075Deadlock has an experimental build and experimental server under different Steam IDs. Here's a comparison.https://steamdb.info/app/1422450/https://steamdb.info/app/3488080/info/https://steamdb.info/app/3488100/info/So the other one could be anything from HL3 Server, an experimental build for playtesters, or even HL3DM.Also interesting to note that if you look in Deadlock's packages, "Valve Friends and Family Complimentary" was a CD key package generated 12 months ago, less than two weeks before CD key packages were generated for the app IDs you listed.https://steamdb.info/app/1422450/subs/
>>726259483READ YOU CANTANKEROUS NIGGERhttps://miro.com/app/board/uXjVINqBTwM=/
do any of you even like the games? i've tried to play them many times.first time i played HL1 i made it to the alien planet and quit. the second time i quit in the train level.HL2 i've quit around the car level. the environments are ugly. the aliens aren't compelling enemies. i don't like the characters or the quirky reddit humorsurely nobody ACTUALLY likes this slop?
>>726259958>CLICK MY SCAM LINK SAAAAAAAAAARLMAOOOO
>>726259332the big pink cookie
>>726259829Too many coincidences
>>726259958HOLY SHIT MY NIGGA THIS IS LAGGY AS FUCK
>>726260013a little e-worm never killed anyone
>>726260010>he didn't play them as they were releasednewfag retard ESL jeet you dont play games, leave this thread immediately
>>726260038Holy shit what a classichttps://youtu.be/aEi3U77b6yE?si=HTTtY_KAKpGZgzUW
>>726260010HL2 is literally older than reddit.
>>726260013>pajeet doesn't know what miro is
>>726259936Neon Prime must have a different steamID as we know it's original Friends and Family playtest resulted in the art style change.
>new Kirby Air Ride, Metroid Prime, and Half Life all within a year of one anotherWhat fucking decade did I wake up in?
>>726260096ZAMN MY URBAN TEENAGER its almost like its a BIG FUCKING COMPILATION with a BUNCH OF SHIT ON IT
>>726260143>>726260117Sir please stop talking to children.
>>726259958>A bunch of queers said some gay shitWow, so convincing
>>726260203 The end of the millenial era
>>726259936>HL3DMwould be kino but surely they're not trying that again... right?
>>726260206I NOTICED NIGGA THIS IS AWESOME GG
There is supposedly no black friday sale, so maybe that day...
>>726260206>Tyler McVickerLOLLLLL don't tell me you actually believe this shit
>>726260203>implying nintendo slop nobody cares about is on the same level as HLlol!
>>726259156I'm inclined to believe this also
is this post ends in a 5 it will be reveled tonight
Good Morning Alyx
>>726260341Holy reading comprehension
>>726260378if your post ends in an 8 you will kill yourself
>>726260336i do NOT believe MCNIGGER and luckily i can just SKIM OVER his part of the COMPILATION
NOTHINGEVERHAPPENSYOURETARDEDNIGGERS
>>726260408G-man never said that
Put down the copium pipe anon.It's time to face the TRVKE.
>>726260336not affiliated to this shit he is just mentioned for completion (and because he is fucking inescapable holy shit)
>>726260378re-rollan
>>726260490This 3 says otherwise.
I WONNA FUCK TYLER MCFAGGOT IN HER ARSEHOLE
You guys created too many threads, and now the kids know about Half-Life threads here
>>7262603783 and it's tomorrow
>>7262605525+5+2=12/4=3FUCKING HL3 IS HAPPENING
>>726260583What kids? The twitter, tiktok, youtube, bluesky, and reddit tards obsessed with 4chan "leaks"?
9 and it's cancelled and steam machine flops
>>726260672LETS GOOOOOMy odd numerals confirm!
>>726260713THREE NIGGA
>>726260490EVERYTHING ALWAYSHAPPENSYOUBEAUTIFULCOONS
>>726260469>>726260523Why do you guys even care about half life 3 actually releasing anyway? It was a dead joke 13 years ago
>>726260713Holy shit Gabe is ITT (in tthis thread) right now!
these threads were more fun when we didn't make it obvious this was some form of general
>>726260583Half Life 2 is anti-zoomer , they won't like it anyways.
>>726260864someone took a rough sample of how old anons posting in these threads (hoping for HL3) were last night and we had a fair few zoomers. I myself am 21 and I can't wait for HL3
>>726260862>we
>>7262608468+4+6=18/6=3
trips and all HL fans kill themselves.
>>726260778MIKUSEXXO
>>726260985since you failed to even get dubs, you have to fulfil the suicide pact you signed with your tranny discord.right now.
>>726261076
>>726257232This game is so overhyped that no matter how good it is it will fail to live up.
>>726260297Even if they did make HL3DM, it'd be shit if it wasn't strictly community server-based with absolutely no matchmaking, abilities, item economy, or microtransactions. So something modern Valve would never do when it comes to new multiplayer games.
>>726260514Maybe it references something unrelated to half life but it reminds me of it.
>>726260984Its so fucking confirmed bros, can we even get more confirmed than this?Im literally swimming in confirmations, all data points to it...Announcement on 11.19! 11+19=30! And it will be 10 times better than expected, no need to divide by 10!
>>726260864Is just late zoomers who are cringe anyways, the ones born before 2005 did enjoy the half-life franchise around 2015-2016 and have also been waiting since
>>726260948>I myself am 21 and I can't wait for HL3Doesn't matter cause it's not real, you were not there for hf and hf2 , that's just your mutt low iq brain
>>726258789
look at all these valvefags falling for it again lmao
>>726260010Go take English lessons you retarded ESL faggot. Reading what you say is like deciphering Google translate.
>>726258405>bros I'm having fun!!!You're losing your mind and its all because you're being taken for a fool by the likes of people like Tyler McVicker
>>726261139>tying ribbons around candlesthat's retarded, wouldn't the ribbons catch on fire when the flame reaches them?
>>726261172ah well, somebody will make a mod
>>726261408>implying that anyone worth their salt around here actually respects tyler mcnigger
>>726261405i am a native english speaker from Tennessee
>>726261323>>726261468It's actually real this time
>>726261513Tennessee oblast*
>>726258359Still the best looking VR game and still mogs many flat-screen games by pure art direction.
>>726261432
Am I the only one who thought HL2DM was really stupid? It just never clicked for me as a multiplayer mode. The maps were just HL2 maps, and the only gimmick was you had gravity guns and could whack people with a toilet which is only funny for five seconds.I think HL3DM could work, but there needs to be more thought into it so it's something that stands on its own and isn't just "oh yeah, I guess Source can do multiplayer games too".
>unironic uncs ITT
>>726261592
>>726261278HLX is confirmed to be real bozo. Ultimately trying to predict the exact date of the announcement is more of a meme than anything else, but the the game itself is real. Catch up.
>>726261682https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zFOdQYmTrk
>>726261682>source: tyler mcnigger
>>726261664gravity gun dm with extra steps, altho pushing car wrecks into people was fun. never played more then one match at a time though.
>>726261323>>726261468>tranime subhuman upset that /v/ is talking about something other than his discord groomer gacha slopHLX is confirmed to be real you mong
>Unironic IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT posting
>>726261770No it's Source 2 dumbass
>>726261791
5 and gabe's yacht sinks
>>726261767The real HL3 experience
>>726261767>>726261770no, source is actual, real life data from actual real life files which we've been getting for the last six years. You know what happened six years ago? Valve announced a fucking half life game, a game whose plot ends with gordon freeman being handed a crowbar. HLX is happening whether you choose to believe it or not. Tyler being a faggot doesn't change that.
>>726261680>>726261767>>726261323>>726261882you peanut brained buffoons if you would please consult the fucking graphs:https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVINqBTwM=/
>>726261895NOOOOOOO
>>726261664I just played it for puzzle maps desu
>>726261278>half-fife and half-fife 2
>>726261901>ATTENTION HL3 HOPEFAGS
>>726257232THAT'S DOES IT /V/.IT HALF LIFE 3 ISN'T ANNOUNCED IN THE NEXT HOUR, I WILL SAY THE N WORD!
>>726261278>have fun 2
>>726261882consult this posthttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/725012720/#725023542
This shit is so fucking cool. Maybe HL3 will finally be the game to blow my balls off with how impressive the AI is like FEAR did.
>>726262042Don't get too excited, HL2's AI looks really exciting on paper too but it got wasted by the level design
>>726261664Being the sandbox to fuck around with gravity was basically THE pull for HL2DM.Don't forget, HL2 physics were _insane_ in player's eyes for the year they came out. Sure, not all gameplay aged well (there's a reson playing HL2 is considered ass without MMoD these days), but physics still hold up aight.HL3DM? Hell if I know if it will work. We got a lot of 'maybe's from datamined strings, but I ain't sure how all the dynamic fire systems and gravity-polarity shid is gon come together for a good pvp experience.
Chell status?
>>726262159>but it got wasted by the level designqrd? I didn't know about this
>>726262246Still my wife
>>726262162>MMoD>look it up>just different animations and a fuckton of headbobI'm starting to understand why everyone hates zoomers
>>726262246sex
>>726262246I'm Half life over portal but fuck me chel over alyx any daysomething about her really activates those almonds
>>726261664HL2DM happened because one of the devs experimented with the idea, Gabe saw him and told him to make one officially. It was not a planned deal; it's an eleventh-hour kind of thing rolled out post-launch.
>>726262246imagine the smell
>>726262246Re-educated into a combine fuckpet
>>726261947>consult the fucking graphs
>>726260010This is why whites cannot die out.All art will be jeet marvel shit.
>>726262159Idk about that, HL2's AI isn't too impressive even compared to HL1, they're basically the same with a half-hearted squad system.From the strings it seems like they're way more detailed in behavior and animation like in Alyx.Which itself was cool but limited due to encounter design being built around comfort in VR.
>>726262246Masturbating with the companion cube's corners
>>726262162HL3DM could definitely still work if Valve actually makes the gunplay more fun this time.
>>726262331Alyx is a tomboy, it activates those almonds.But Chel is a Damsel in Distress, a tried-and-true model for almond activation. Anyways, sexo with Chel.
https://files.catbox.moe/snqzja.gifHere's info that it will be announced tomorrow
>>726257232If they don't announce HL3, i will be joining shockerYEEEEEEEEE
>consult the fucking graphs
>>726262159At least they are aware of the issue. The Episodes made them more fun to fight.
>>726262470someone check this link, I'm scared
>>726262246Fat fat fatty no parents.
Google cooked with gemini3... My Final Prediction for the Next 14 DaysThe convergence of the confirmed hardware (Steam Frame) + "crowbar3" leak + Anniversary timing creates a perfect storm. Scenario A (Most Likely): We get a "teaser tweet" in the next 2 weeks (possibly even tomorrow, Nov 19, for the HL1 Anniversary). This tweet will likely be an image (e.g., a hand holding a crowbar, a lambda logo, or the "Project White Sands" logo) with a date for a full reveal in 2026. Scenario B (The Game Awards): Valve stays silent for 2 more weeks and drops the full trailer at The Game Awards on December 11. (Note: Insiders currently say this is less likely than a random tweet).Confidence Score: 8/10 for a "Teaser Tweet" soon. The "crowbar3" file is too specific to be an accident.
so, where is it hopekeks?
>>726262042>>726262159Also don't get excited because it's a shooting game and at the very best 'good' 'AI' just means the enemies will shoot you in a slightly smarter way.Wake me up when actual AI is incorporated into gameplay and interaction.
>>726259160>play HLX on PC and you play as gordon>play HLX on VR and you play as alyx>you can either help or hinder each other, which changes whether you end up siding with the vorts or Gmankinooo
>>726262308Fair's fair, tastes differ. But imo those animations, sounds, and yes even headbob cum together to make shooting feel actually impactful and closer to the today's fps standards.HL1 shooting aged better than HL2 shooting, shrimple as.
>>726262547Do not click, it installed nerve gas on my computer.
>>726262547It's just porn, the type you find by searching for "porn" in google images, he has been posting this shit for like 5 threads straight
>>726262470fucks sake what's her name I always forget>>726262547pornstar with big bazongas
>>726262547It's cuckold porn.
>>726262261HL2's Soldier AI was designed for tight, closed off spaces sort of like FEAR's AI, and so didn't get to shine well in open areas like the Coast or in areas of City 17 where they can't move around muchThere are also two specialty AI behaviors controlled by scripts and entites called Assaults and Standoffs which were barely used in the final gamehttps://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Assaulthttps://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Standoffs
>>726262643Aight, I'm clicking it then.
>>726262607>HL1 shooting aged better than HL2 shootingcan't disagree there
>>726262308You can disable the headbob, and the new animations, sounds and particles make HL2's gunplay feel so much better. It also makes Combine soldiers smarter.
We will NOT be playing this boomer ahh game
>>726262368It was really obvious from looking at how the soldiers behave in HLA that they were lobotomized by the devs. They react real fucking slow if you throw grenades on them for instance.
>>726262645Damn, I never knew that. Has anyone ever gone to the effort of deliberately designing a map so that the combine soldier AI could shine through? Basically I'm curious to see what this would actually look like. That marphitimus blackimus dude for instance goes to phenomenal lengths to explore the intricacies of HL1 NPC AI for instance.
>>726262162Even during that time, I would say the physics weren't enough of a draw for what it was. It's something you toy around with once, and that's the end of it.Now if you're talking gameplay modes using physics, that's a different story, but the vanilla "throw toilet at other team" sales pitch for HL2DM was bad.
>>726262818Of course you won't, little buddy. You can't play a game that does not exist
>>726262162>Being the sandbox to fuck around with gravity was basically THE pull for HL2DM.Only to be mogged by Gmod about two months later.
>>726262818Thank god, hands off zoonigger, not for your eyes or hands
>>726257507I’ll ride the shitposting wave with glee
>>726262839It also fucked up their animations a lil, they're noticably slowed down compared to their actual mocapped animations which can look awkward.Here's hoping HL3 really makes that animation tech shine, cause holy shit it's good if you actually check the animgraphs.
>>726262974
>>726262853>Even during that time, I would say the physics weren't enough of a draw for what it was.I think they didn't capture the feeling well enough. G-Mod did it better and became a cultural titan on the internet, even crossing generations with Skibidi Toilet.
>>726262246She farts in her sleep
>>726262982Assuming Animgraph2 isn't just a networking update, animations should be even better in HLX
>Gordon talks nowwho would be his voice actor?
>>726257507I think someone will bomb Valve's office if it happens, unironically.
>>726263065A tranny
>>726257507Millennials will collectively disappear like the dwemer.
>>726263052Animgraph2 is more for convenience, it organizes things better (instead of skeletons being in the model files they're their own seperate file, each animation is it's own file, etc).They'll improve shit for sure but i imagine its not because of Animgraph2, that just makes their workflow more modern.
>>726262843I'll try and get you some examples, harder to find them now that search engines are so shit
>>726262939I genuinely believe that the reason HL2 aged so poorly is that Gmod completely bastardized it, it took its art and gameplay out of its context, it basically became the "default boring option" in the collective mind
>>726257687Woh cool jammies
I hope it is real so that I can see all my doomposts in anon's collage after "the announcement". Please screenshot this post as well. Good luck!
>>726263065The AI recreated voice of George Floyd
>>726262042For me, I want a more robust squad system. HL2 squad is ass.
>>726262616No really, here's the logo.https://files.catbox.moe/ss629u.jpg
>>726263065Ben Shapiro
>>726262843There's Inhuman mod but it's still ways off.
>>726263264He will be back y'know.
Really hope they don't keep softening the series' art direction. It has gone downhill since HL2.
TWO MORE WEEKS
>>726263228Can you at least give me the name of the lady with the big bazongas in this one >>726262470
>>726263065gabe himself
it's not today
>>726263338Ava Addams
>>726263298Look at this thing and tell me it doesn't look as disneyedfied as possible.
>>726261076>>726261139>>726260778
It's not happening
>>726263135no worries if you can't find any, I'm actively looking right now too>search engines are so shitfucking tell me about it, I thought it was just me. I don't wanna be a boomer and blame it all on AI slop taking over the internet but I feel like google has somehow gotten WORSE at finding shit now.
>>726263382In what possible way does this look "disneyedfied"
>>726263382yeah they should go back to scanning real corpses for texture
It's real, bros. I can feel it. It's different this time.
>>726263373cheers mate >>726263382lmao what kind of disney are you watching
>>726263507bacause my autism said le so!
>>726263338>lady
>>726263548This has the same energy as the few days before MVM released
>>726263540honestly one of the basedest moments in gaming history
>>726257232I have been using hopium, anons. It seems so real but I know it isn't. I'm cutting my dose in half to just steam OS
>>726263485You have to use quotes around key words, otherwise google will just ignore half of your search
>>726263382Oh no, it looks like a real alien creature instead of burnt toast laid over polygon soup, gaming is ruined.
>>726263371It was yesterday. But everyone missed the announcement so they figured no one was interested and cancelled the game.
I like how 99% of people just memory-holed hunt down the freeman
>It is definitely TOMORROW, just believe!
>>726263382it looks like it got hit with the PBR laser
>>726263798I didn't.
I CAN FEEL IT
>>726262843>>726263485The usual examples I knew of I can't find, but this video has some details on Combine Soldier AI and how they should ideally be usedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR5gjP-Kk3s [read the description too]
I kinda hope this is real for the collective meltdown of /v/, especially if it's PC only for a while before getting ported to other consoles.The assblasting will be on par with Bayonetta 2 and Bloodborne not because the game will be bad or good but because EVERYONE and their mothers will be talking about it, tendies in particular I think will shitpost the game to oblivion.
>>726263798>>726263962ENTER
>>726257232I never played dishonored 2 as Emily so im doing that. I dont even recall any of these levels early on.
>>726263382Would, next question.
>>726264037i kneel
>>726264034>tendies in particular I think will shitpost the game to oblivionalready have been, and probably because metroid prime 4 is turning out to be such a shitshow
>>726263290Uh is this real? It's from Alyx, right? Cool, I guessl.
>>726264158The environment is real, Shephard there is not
so am i gonna have to play the shitty VR game to understand HL3?
>>726263382Im not saying it is disneyfied but looking back, making vorts your allies was a mistake. They need like 50 freaky as fuck enemies and 20 mind bending SCP things plus the environment
>>726264214doghorseshit
>>726264023good stuff, I just stumbled across that too. RescoeZ also did some phenomenal half life 2 analysis, although his channel is also overrun with a lot of random shit. either way cheers for the video>>726263669regardless of the size of her tits, or the fact that she's a whore, she's still a lady anon>>726264034it IS real anon ffs. The speculation over the exact date it gets announced is just that ultimately - speculation. but we know for certain HL3, or at least HLX, is real and will eventually come out.
>>726262470I datamined something new it says HL1 Appreciation and HL3 announcementhttps://files.catbox.moe/5k0rks.jpg
>>726263706Bring yourself down slowly. Baby steps. Don't want you to relapse and OD like the motherfuckers itt
>>726264228How do you know it's shitty if you haven't played it
>>726264318Because he can't form his own opinions so he just gets them from other people (or picks the opposite of what the general consensus is)
>>726264318VR is instantly shit.
>>726262246Alyx clears
HI I'M TYLER MCVICKER AND TODAY WE RATE THE SHIT GABE NEWELL DUMPED INTO A PUBLIC TOILET THAT I WAS MONITORING>MUNCH NOM NOMMMMMMMM GABEI CAN TASTE TACO TUESDAY
>>726264318This.It's actually a great game, unironically.
>>726264381>im pooroh ok
>>726264292Yeah! The exact date! Maybe it's in an hour, maybe it's 10 years from now, just because we don't know WHEN doesn't mean it's not REAL
>>726264381It's actually a great addition to immersion and interactability.
I dropped Alyx in Jeff, not because the game was bad but because I had other stuff to do.Should go back to it.
>>726263382>>726263298>Zoomers already zoomerniggingit's so fucking over
8PM PST, trust the plan
>>726264034>>726264121>projecting this badly
>>726264405REMINDERhttps://youtu.be/C42cwlXLorI
>>726264292Do you think HLX is Flat, VR, or both?Although a guy said Valve doesnt have any VR games in development what if he said that AFTER HLX was finished being developed
what are you guys going to do when tomorrow rolls around and it doesn't get announced again?
>>726264582Keep on waiting, duh.
>>726264381
>>726264582Call you a nigger and tell you to consult the runes
>>726264582first time?
>>726264582cope and dilate
>>726264381This is why you can't trust anons here when it comes to Alyx, you can never tell if it's a genuine opinion or just a sour grapes poorfag.
>>726264582December 11, TGA, trust the plan
>>726257232imagine if it just turns out to be deadlock public beta all this time
>>726264579it's not vr. it will be a flat game.
>>726257507imagine this scene coming out today and the collective seethe that would be coming out of /v/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEhZh3a6mH8
>>726264723
>>726264582I'll paraphrase from another anon - you have to be right every day till you die. we only have to be right once.
>>726264579We've known HL3 will be a flat screen game since 2020 when Valve explicitly said if they do HL3 they won't make it a VR game
>>726264741I love flat
>>726264723Retard
>>726264579>>726264741HLX features vehicles, gravity shifting, TAA, object grabbing mechanics similar to HL2, etcThese are not things that would work with VR, not well anyway.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joeparlock/2019/11/18/valves-vr-project-is-allegedly-half-life-alyx-to-be-teased-at-this-years-game-awards/ALYX WAS LEAKED WHICH IS WHY THEY TWEETED IT OUT
>>726264810How's that worked out so far?
Hope. Believe.
>>726264923>Got leakder and journos thought they would talk about it in the TGA>Valve does it in march of the next yearHopium bros... we have a new date...
>>726257476You are several years away from AAA studios incorporating actual advanced AI content in development. At the moment, you just have CoD using ChatGPT generated images.
>>726265054
>we never got Deadlock's first iteration as Citadel where it was a Combine vs Rebels team game
I must confess I still believe.
>>726264923Oh FUGI remember thisLiterally no one at /v/ believed the pastebin lmao
Sorry to say that Half Life 1+2 doesn't exist.
when im not with you i lose my mind
>>726258359>>726261625it's also one of the most optimized games of all time and is the only modern game that I know that doesn't rely on TAA
>>726264923So that's why Geoff isn't doing any interview with Valve this time
>>726264842HOLY SHIT DISCORDTROON #934893483498349384 SAID IT'S LE REAL SO IT'S REAL!!!
>>726257232>READ YOU IDIOT>READ!!!
GIVE ME A SIGN
>>726265283>he doesn't know
>>726265259There's a few others that dont use TAA but they seemingly do it solely because they couldn't figure out how to make shit not ghost.Alyx doesn't use it because TAA doesn't play nice with VR rendering, so they relied on MSAA, which does a good enough job.Fidelity wise there's nothing THAT impressive about Alyx it's mostly just really good art and lighting direction.
>>726261625This, but unironically.HL:Alyx is gorgeous. There's nothing in VR that even compares to it, and flatscreen games really have a hard time comparing.
>>726265335hope
>>726257232In which day did that anon said that would kill himself if Half Life 3/X wasn't going to get announced?
>>726265358nah, they fixed most shimmering in motion when used with MSAA, that's the impressive part, I've never seen any other game do thatwhat other games don't use TAA?
HIT ME GABEN ONE MORE TIME
>>726265283Yoshi is Icefrog dipshit
Alyx's obscenely detailed DOG model gives me hope we'll see more of him in HL3.
>>726265283hes apparently the lead for deadlock, not half life
>>726265127it didn't get very far with the half life assets, and was always going to be an ASSFAGGOTS
>>726265459Atomfall and Kingdom Come 2 were games i saw that dont use TAA (at least not as the main AA method unless you upscale)
Reminder tomorrow is literally a week after the steam hardware revealHOPE
>>726257232i saved this so we can laugh at this retard once HL3 actually gets announced
>>726265530IIRC it was intended for HL3 and actually leaked years ago.
>>726265459Alex Vlachos' talks on VR rendering for the Robot Repair demo for The Lab reveal the tricks Valve used to reduce shimmering for VR. 2015 and 2016 here.https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/publicationsThat Lab demo also determined the technical art direction for Alyx - baked lighting with high poly, high texture fidelity assets.
>>726265664Did you get his 4chan id? Otherwise we have no way to find him later
Dubs and it wont happen
HEY YO BITCH HOL UP I just realized that HL3 should *technically* be free since we boughted 3 episodes back in 2005 not 2 and they only delivered 2.
>>726265741this retard even linked his twitter account. yeah, he's that confident. >>726160957
>>726265771shieeeet *smacks lips* pay yo reparations valve
Whats the possibility they will do something like Orange Box 2?
>>726260490Teto wouldn't say that
>>726265586pixel crawl/shimmering is a massive problem with Atomfall, that is what I meant that Valve addressed with Alyx without resorting to TAAfor kcd 2 SMAA 2TX is a temporal anti aliasing solution, though it may be less noticeable
Who gives a shit about some washed up company’s Reddit game the Epstein files are more important
>>726265890Maybe an orange Steam Machine bundled with HL3.I wouldn't expect more games so soon.
Why the fuck is Valve HQ in the west coast???Literally the fucking last timezone besides pineapple land
>>726257507100% will happen. There is literally no way for HL3 to come out and people be happy about it, too much time as passed and expectations are too high.
>>726265667Alyx's DOG model was completed for Alyx. It's clearly based off the prior, unfinished model done for HL3 but it's wildly different in design in several areas, and the model was untextured in the HLA beta stream Tyler did.Unfortunately the only real online comparison I can find between the models is on Reddit.
>>726265942>implying that the files will not be hidden inside HLX's source code when it releases
>>726265959>too much time as passed and expectations are too high.On the other hand, Triple-A slop has gone downhill for over a decade now. If they deliver something as good as HL:Alyx it will be 11/10 on any review simply because of how starved gamers have been. .
>>726257232>>726160868
>>726265594All the signs are coming together. Trust the plan bros
>>726265740cool, thanks, I'm interested in understanding how they did it but most of it will probably go over my head
>>726265794>random nigga with a brand new twitter accountwhere is the accountability you think that you have
>The failure, my personal failure, was being stumped. I couldn't figure out why doing Episode Three was pushing anything forwardWhy did Episode Three need to break new ground/push things forward? Why couldn't they just make a fun game that concludes the Half-Life story?
"It's going to happen tomorrow," said every fucking retard in /v/ yesterday.
>>726266374Gabe Newell is profoundly autistic
>>726265959People loved Alyx
>>726266231Haha he has to drink his own piss today. Or tomorrow. Or at the TGAs. Or maybe next month. Or in 2026. Or... look the point is we only have to be right once, okay?
>>726266374Because Valve always wanna innovate and Episode 3's scope was getting big enough to justify making a brand new entry instead of just a short episode.The episodic model made sense when Steam wasn't a goliath that prints money but after that they had no reason to pump out short quick entrys to make a buck.
>>726266385Yeah, they were retarded because they said it yesterday.Had they said it today they'd be correct.
>>726266374Valve couldn't ship the Episodes fast enough as was the original plan, instead of an 18month long project for all three Ep1+2 took 3 years too ship. By the point they *could* have made Ep3 instead of L4D Valve would of still been shipping cut content from a 2004 game without any major gameplay iteration or change for 4-5 years, when HL2 itself took 6 years.
>>726266374Dude was huffing his own far. Years ago he specifically mentioned how Episodes aren't made to be revolutionary, they were made for incremental tech upgrades.
>>726266374>>726266460This is the same shit behind why Miyamoto won't make a new F-Zero (a proper one, not that multiplayer-only shit on Switch). "MUH INNOVAYSHUN". Innovation RUINS the game industry because the obsession with it has crippled the ambitions of many developers who have succumbed to said obsession.
>>726266476The fact that they released a game with a brown girlboss as the protagonist and got positive reviews from real gamers says a lot about Valve's abilities.
>>726266374Yeah they regretted it But now its 2011+14 and there are more opportunities to fuck with physics more
>>726266385Thursday Friday has always been more likely when valve does announcements. Anyone who's been following them for long enough will tell you that. Tourists always come in and pretend to know anything about deep topics The sun is leaking
>>726266619Haven't played Alyx but she wasnt a girlboss in Half Life 2 at all. She's actually more motherly, its just that she can take care of herself.
IT UPDATED AGAIN, ONE MINUTE AGO
>it's announced>hype>it comes out>it's picrel all over again
>>726266374>Why did Episode Three need to break new ground/push things forwardTook too long to get started on development, meaning it'd feel less like "episode 3" and more like "half life 3". Thus, it needed to be next-gen.
HL3 ain't real lmao
>>726266716Sorry but Jeff in HLA utterly MOGS most AAA shitAnd that segment was just a basic ass blind mo ster setpiece
>>726266716One of the best games ever made Half Life 2 Episode 1+2 just couldn't compete which is why we had to cancel it.
>>726266702I mean "girlboss" in the sense she's a tech genius, a soldier, and overall great problem solver. I agree that Valve did it well, it's just that these traits are often overblown into the Mary Sue archetypes that ruin so many franchises these days.
>>726266618It's funny how there are these two polar opposites of AAA gaming. On one hand, you have devs releasing games on a yearly basis (FIFA, CoD), and on the other hand, you have these devs who refused to make a game for eons due to muh innovations even though the players themselves aren't demanding it to be.
Imagine if HL3 expands upon the vehicle segments by making the game a sprawling post-apocalyptic open world to explore. Imagine if it's replayable as Skyrim. That's my dream. I know it's not going to be what I envision but it will be a focused, linear tech demo with stunning visuals.
>>726257232>>726263978>>726263290>>726263276>>726259936It's so over HLcum bros... We are fools...
>>726258001Thanks I never saw these
>>726266927It's still not the 19th
>>726266716Gearbox didn't care for it, they just wanted to get it over with before going back to their Borderlands mine.
>>726257232336 MORE HOURS
>>726265561wasnt it was gonna be mixedVR with someone in VR playing as the patron
>>726266374Episode Three was always meant to be most ambitious Episode, being the climax of the Episodic trilogy. Just look at how insane its concept art was. And Episode Three's devs were getting Half-Life fatigue from working with Half-Life 2 for so long, saw that other projects like Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead needed attention, and went towards those projects. By the time they were done with Left 4 Dead, they thought, hey, we missed the release window for Episode Three, and HL2, its gameplay and assets were getting pretty dated. So they thought that Episode Three needed a new engine and assets to fully realize its ambitious vision. That's when you could say the original Source-based Episode 3 was definitively canceled. But Source 2 development took a while, was on the backburner while most of the company worked on Alien Swarm, Portal 2, Dota 2 and CS:GO, and then stalled hard in 2013, and that basically killed HL3 as well as L4D3.
>>726266385Nah there were plenty of people saying this was going to be a nothingburger. Many even said if it's going to happen now it's going to be on hl1's anniversary.
>>726267125>336 hours336 - 3 = 3333 times the 3HL 3 CONFIRME
Half Life 3 is going to be open world and have RPG elements.
>>726267229It's going to happen
>>726267230As long as the RPG elements include the laser sight guide.
>>726267230This
>>726259075>Even if they aren't Valve related they are still clearly connectedWHAT DOES IT MEAN?
>>726266971Gabe's gonna announce it in his pajamas for extra comfyness
>>726267230Have you been in a coma since 2015?
>>726267183With the sheer scale and how different the locale is compared to previous episodes and the base game, it's honestly better off as HL3 desu.
the usual suspects already posting porn on the threads, why are they like this?
>>726266716I'm ok with that
>>726267230The RPG elements will probably just boil down to which NPC to save and what guns to modify.
>>726267230It's going to be a survival game with crafting.
>nothing happenedtold you fucking retards, how did this rumor even start anyways, I bet it was some literally who blog that makes the same prediction every year. fuck all of you for being so gullible.>2 MORE WEEKS!!have fun coping for the next decade, Arthur out.
>>726267334It means a mid/large size team which develops Steam-first has been working on two parallel, related games for at least 6 years now.
>>726267157Many things are considered and tried when in the early stages of development.
>>726267472It's going to be a date sim VN with cute HECU girls
>>726267334what the other anon said and both dates when the ID was added to the steamDB correlate to Alyx 1.0 ending, and the Alyx's public release date.
>There's a universe out there where Gabe Newell wasn't an autist who was completely obsessed with breaking new ground and we got Half-Life 2: Episode 3 in 2008 and Half-Life 3 in the early 2010s
>>726266904>what if we took Half-life and made it Far Cry insteadbrain damage
What did episode 1 and 2 even innovate?
Guys I just talked to Gabe and he said HLX will come out only if somebody murders Tyler McNigger in roblox.
>>726267503READ THE FUCKING SIGNS! THEY'RE RIGHT THERE! THEY'RE RIIIGHT THEEEEEEERE
>>726267663NPC AI companion (Alyx), animations and some shader stuff.
>>726267570>HECU girlsI'd take HECU guys VN too, desu. >ASS. IS. HEAVY.
>>726267704Gabe Newell needs me to lead the revolution?
>>726267663They were expressly made because Valve knew dedicating another 4 years to making a full sequel would be a risk.This risk of course vanished when Steam became THE PC market.
Nothing ever happens, bros
>>726267663The Episodic format was the innovation, anon. Though, you can also see Episode One's innovation being Alyx as a viable human companion to you throughout the entire game.
This is caramel levels of copium
>>726267503I jump on the hype because it's fun but I expect next to nothing
>>726257629>[0-9a-f]{3}kym filename detected
>>726267849This is also a thing. The episodic format failed monumentally, which I guess raised alarms in relation to HL2ep3.
>>726266308Ain't gonna matter. Tick tock tick tock
>>726267890What will happen when we get to the maple syrup levels of copium?
>>726267890Honestly these threads are kinda fun. Reminded me of /v/ when it was still hyped about something once upon a time.
>>726257232What the heck is Miro?
>>726268248Google isn't that useless yet, anon
Bloodborne 2 will be announced tomorrow instead. Screenshot this.
>>726268248
>>726268340Can confirm.
>>726268340It's actually portal 3.
>>726268231We're sharing memes, edits, talking about things anons loved from the Half Life games, memories, old youtube video, music, and hopeposting is funny. Even if it's not announced, the threads have been enjoyable
Half Life 3 announcement just flew over my house!
>>726267985the episodic format evolved into the TF2/CS/DOTA update cycle anon.
>>726267503Don't carelol
>>726268441retard, episodes are for single player content not live service games. live service is also not the result of episodic content failing, don't try it.
>>726268576WHEN YOU SEE IT...YOU WILL SHIT BRICKS ....
>>726268441The live service model isn't the successor to the episodic model, it's just the model that won. Valve gave up on the episodic format after ep2 and focused on live service, as you've pointed out. But they aren't on the same lineage, it's a completely different way to operate.
>>726267157man I wish they kept it. seeing valve's take on a natural selection type game would be insane
>>726264292>she
>>726268581>a dev team aiming to ship content within a 6 month period, failing that for SP but gaining the knowledge to meet that quota for MP isn't comparableBrother Valve trying to ship an episode every 6 months is literally what the seasonal content model is today.
>>726257232No HL3 today or tomorrow.
>The Steamie schizo is now just going to spam this image in every threadgreat
>>726268608lmao!
>>726268718could you tell me how they're the same other than "periodic updates to an existing product"?
>>726268289I can't tell if it's something related to AI, or if it's something that already existed that got AI slapped on it...
>>726268576whats with the jumpscare
>>726268726Nice try, Tyler
>>726268248Miro no buraco do teu cu e dou um tiro.
>>726268839It's absolutely AI
>>726268768Well, at least it's a funny pic. The G stands for girth
yfw gaben names his new yacht Half-Life 3
>>726268812that's literally why they're the same? I genuinely don't see the argument you're making man, Valve aimed to ship content fast for HL and failed but the failing directly lead to TF2 and so forth update cycles.
>>726268839It's just an online whiteboard thingie, this one has all the info about hlx that people has found over the years
I'm never trusting /v/ again if nothing happens tomorrow.
>Remain calm>The Freeman endures>Half-Life 3 lives>The Mongolian Basket Weaving Forum shall endure>There is much to be done
>>726268934Episodic format is similar to DLCs, you buy the base game then buy the next installments. It has nothing to do with the free updates of micro-transaction based monetization.
>>726268768report and move on
>>726269000Bro it's always been within the next few weeks, it was reddit that said the 18th. We're hopepilled because it's any day now.
>>726269000TGATrust the plan
>>726258264reined
>>726269025damn he's got a HOG
>>726265259I'm guessing HL3 would be extremely optimized too in order to run well on the gabecube.If it were to be released that is.
>>726257232didn't readnot happening
>>726257232I'm starting Black Mesa for the first time in its completed form in anticipation. Then, I'll probably play HL2 VR, since it looks like there's mods to replace all the models with their HLA counterparts, and some redone lighting. There's even a mod that inserts Aphex Twin music, which honestly kind of fits.
I can't fucking take it anymore. It needs to be tomorrow. It HAS to be tomorrow.
>>726257232>hl3 and good bubsy game in the same yearI love this.
>>726265259CS2 doesn't eitherDeadlock and HLX unfortunately do
>>726269000Nice digits anon. Very unmoisturised. I'm just happy for the threads, they're fun and I have hope after the Oblivion Demastered drop.
Hope bros, I only hope for one last thing...I hope they will do a remaster edition of the first 2 games...never played them...
>>726268934you initially conflated the failure of singleplayer episodic content to be the origin of the live service model. live services were around looong before episodic single player.monetisation, replayability, and development style also differs wildly. buying an episode once and playing it through doesn't compare to a service that must hold its audience's attention with balance/update cycles. the "live" part is where it differs - services have to be fun consistently, episodes are "fire and forget".retaining audience attention from episode to episode is not the same beast, because the replayability differs wildly between an online live game and a singleplayer experience. sorry for sperging.
>>726269069So the point on contention is the financial aspect? Not the wider point of "dev team got practice making content faster"
>>726269418They did, they gave both Half-Life and Half-Life 2 anniversary updates that polished both and fixed a ton of longstanding bugs
>>726269418You don't need a remaster, HL1 and HL2 are right there. You even have Black Mesa for a fancier HL1
>>726258789Nothing BUT hope
>>726269509>>726269483Is black mesa 1/1 HL1 just remade?
>>726269445>you initially conflated the failure of singleplayer episodic content to be the origin of the live service model. live services were around looong before episodic single player.the only point I made, specific to Valve, was their own Episode model failing is what led to TF2/CS/DOTA updates being as successful as they were, the dev teams knew what was needed.
>>726269465brother "video game companies need to make games consistently or they will lose money" does not mean single player episodes were the birthplace of live service.
>>726268441Pretty certain what Gabe meant was that the episodic releases gave Valve more experience on producing content quickly which proved beneficial for multiplayer game updates.
>>726269565Black Mesa is a from the ground up fanmade remake of Half-Life 1 that takes things in its own direction. It's not official and it does enough things differently from HL1 that I would play through HL1 first and then Black Mesa later.
>>726269565Black Mesa is not 1:1, all of Xen is redesigned and there are some changes in other levels
>>726269657>>726269657>>726269657>>726269657HOLD THE LINE
>>726269701Was Xen really that bad in HL1?
>>726257507Realistically Half-Life has been gay and reddit since HL2, we just didn't have the words for it/didn't mind back then. But in spite of the in theory dreary setting, the characters have always been pretty quirk chungus and it makes no sense considering the state of the world
>>726269745We don't need this to be a general, stop making threads until we know it's actually happening
>my nephew just sent me that dumb HOPE image people keep spammingWhat the fuck? This kid is barely eleven. He told me a friend shared it after seeing some funny tiktok about a HL3 coper.I might have to reconsider my thoughts on the potential reach a Half Life 3 would have.It might not just be an unc game, bros.
>>726269825It will be THE game
>>726269825Memes are the only way you reach younger audiences
>>726269465>So the point on contention is the financial aspect?In part, but it's the larger organizational aspect of it. Everything including dev cycles, marketing, and finance differs in the episodic format. The only similarity between episodes and live service is "new content comes out". At this point I'm not sure where you're seeing the connection, they're completely different.
>>726269598which is exactly what I was trying to reference but apparently I presented it as birthing live service. >>726269576I said evolved into the TF/CS/DOTA update cycle, not live service as a whole mate
>>726269816I'm only supplying the hopium demand anon, you keep replying to them
>>726269934>>726269825the hope syringe is inherently funnyand kids love repetitionpeople WANT to be part of the hype
>>726269751It has a lot of first person platforming sections, other than that the hatred is overrated
>>726269996I'n any case that one is (probably) the last one i'll make today, I'm going to sleep my ass in my hopium bed while hugging my hopium filled custom kleiner dakimakura
>>726269983it might have enabled the dev team to learn required skills for live service, but it has no direct descendancy as a concept caaaarnt
HL3 will not be a videogame. It's going to be a real place that the built in the New Mexico desert, and they're going to recreate a real resonance cascade there. They're turning the Half Life series into nonfiction.
>>726270192>it might have enabled the dev team to learn required skills for live servicewhich is what i was saying?
>>726270241HOLY KINO
>>726268576they don't call him gape for nothing
>>726270241Finally, real innovation
>>726269000Never trust /v/
>>726257407Someone make a webm of Gordon picking it up and throwing it at the Combine's head when it gets announced.
The general is here now>>726269657>>726269657>>726269657
>>726257507I shit in a bag and mail it to Valve.
It's real guys....search "half life 3 wikipedia"
>>726263540Only people born in the 2010s have an issue with this.
>>726270241This means it's gonna be filled with gay retards, women, and other minorities.Fuck!
>>726270397semantics, then. i thought you were saying they were the same concept, not that the devteam skilled up.. which is kind of a moot point.
>>726269129You wish, Geoff.
Guys is half life 2 out yet?
