Elden Ring lore is too cool to me, but I'm too dumb to understand the references in-game, this book could be a godsend.
Is this legal?
I didn't ask?
>>726335042>zanzibart .... forgive my faggot ass brother >he....he didn't know any better
for the longest time I thought Vaati was a jeet
>>726335349Does he sound like a jeet to you retard
>>726335042Oh god. This will be a mess of wrong information
>>726335042400 pages of lies
How the fuck did this guy ever get so big?I checked his Dark Souls 1 videos ages ago and nearly died of cringe, absolutely bottom of the barrel lore videos.
>>726335128Yeah, unofficial books and analysis books have existed for ages.There's entire industries for it since it's an aspect of journalism/scholarly writing.
>>726335042AI Sloppa book
>>726335498Yeah. A 2nd generation one
>>726335128Fair use, so yes.
>>726335042Wiol this be a real book or one of those shitty youtuber books made for normies?I did enjoy reading The Paleblood Hunt.
>>726335128Yes. Just be careful not to use/publish any copyrighted material (ie. stick to your own illustrations).
>>726335913You must be confusing him with someone else
>>726335561>>726335569??? Is there any proof that his videos are lies? Everyone seems to love and respect them.
I dont think hes bad or the problem i think the people that give him money are the retards.
>>726335042>the world is female>women are smarter and stronger than menWoke slop.Smartest wizard? A woman.Strongest warrior? A woman.Best politician? A woman.Main protagonist? A woman.
>>726335709>>726335952>>726335998I don't think that's legal at all, if it's copyrighted then you need the rights owner to give you permission to create anything that's related to that IP, if he didn’t get that permission then he's treading in murky waters.
>>726335913I dunno, every time I click on a video of his he sounds like he's one of those british brown faggots
>>726336598I'm brown and I'm pretty sure I'm smarter than you, nazi fuck.
>>726335042>But…. Of course, Old Knight Myrghuld was dubious of the kings seemingly benevolent plan as we see here is this 100x100 pixel repeating texture square on the walls of the ancient temple. In fact, if we look into the depths of The Great Jail, we will find an answer to all of our queries. Because who else do we know was referred to as “great?” Thats right, it was Myrghuld all along who was enforcing the wicked corruption of the king, and the effects of his malevolent acts would lead…. to generations…. of darkness….
>>726336103Vax status? The whole conceit is founded upon the original lie: there is no such thing as fromsoft lore. Miyazaki's games are a blatant example of the emperor having no clothes. HE HIMSELF EXPLICITLY SAYS THIS. Loretubers invented meaning where there wasn't any. The only Fromsoft titles with a semblance of credibility are bloodborne, because the nature of the world actually compliments the substanceless style, and sekiro because they stopped being retarded and wrote a straightforward setting and story. Everything else is a nightmarish hodgepodge of ad hoc rationalizations for what is essentially "rule of cool" design philosophy. Which is what makes the games so good in the first place, they don't give a single fuck about the lore. They design cool things that they think look cool in the settings they have created and don't agonize about making a lick of sense.
>>726335042>pick popular game with deliberate vague bullshit lore (remember Sekiro and Armored Core don't do this and tell actual stories, it is a deliberate choice for From to do that)>tell what the game already tells you to generate a baseline of trust from the reader>then pull some bullshit off of your ass and link it here and there to the trustworthy parts. Piss easy since vague shit lends itself to this>sell it to brainlet idiots who love the illusion of depth, saying that being vague is the best part of it, but paradoxically watching lore videos and buying a book from someone to give them a "canon" to adhere to, instead of "filling the gaps" themselvesDeparting these mouthtbreathing retards from their money is a net positive for the world, so I hope he sells a lot of this crap.
>>726336253The Elden Ring world is in ruins because of a woman moment.
>>726335042A game with 13 lines of dialogue, mind you. Fromfag autists are something else. Pure delusional fanficiton.
>>726336754>>>/vt/ranny
>>726336312Nah, you don't. These are not infringing on the IP, they are equivalent to review or critique. Lorebooks are a bit of a more recent thing so there's not really a term I'd use for them, but I do have several similar books that are just literary analysis on various media. For a specific franchise one, I do own an English language book of writings on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and to my understanding, that publisher has done several for other franchises, that's their whole thing.I also have more general things that obviously talk about media in detail, like The Moe Manifesto or Japan's Database Animals. This is all legal.
>>726336804Vtuber website.
>>726335128Fan art and fanfic are legal but afaik selling them is a grey area, since you're latching onto an existing franchise.If I make an art book of Mario, the character, but mostly draw my own art of him, I'm still using someone else's IP so Nintendo would likely sue me for this, same goes for fan games. However FS doesn't care so I doubt they'll bother to.
>>726335042HOLY FUCKING SHITIS THAT A XITTER POSTFUUUUJUUUUUUUUCKREPOST THAT SHIT KEEP REPOSTING FOREVER WHOOOOOO XITTER
>>726335349He's not?>>726335498Absolutely and his name is vaati. I 100% did. Half the British channels I watched had the dude show his face and he was indian.
>>726335128Even if it's not you gotta keep in mind that fromsoft has paid for this guy's japan visits and had private meetings with him, possibly even using him for advertising.
>people buy the elden ring book and believe his shit for years>elden ring 2 comes out and proves it was all wrongit's gonna be like Gwyn's son all over again
>>726338354Tell me more about that Gwyn's son thing.
>>726336103>redditors love this guy!Isnt that red flag number 1?
>>726335042Vatti's interpretation is tainted because one of the members of his inner lore circle is a BPD tumblr chick who is the reason why he called Miquela a "They" until the DLC hard confirmed him to be a boy.The entire project of Vatti's channel was compromised from that point onwards. with "I'm mad at my dad so all systems of power are bad" tier garbage.
>>726338546Vaati pushed the theory that Solaire was Gwyn's son back in the day
>>726335042idk why he used some Zelda literal who femboy to name himself?
>>726338878Dude, it's a channel about the lore of a fucking Japanese video-game, not politics. Grow the fuck up.
>>726338946That theory was extremely popular during that time and it made sense, mocking him for that because DS3 showed that Gwyn's son was someone is nitpicking.
>>726335042Vaati is a fucking moron who thought the Elden Beast was a space parasite.
>>726337673Garbage post
>>726336173same>>726338946never mind he sounds retarded, kek
>>726339148What is it then?
>>726338946Which he stole from /v/ mind you.
>>726339047All I'm saying is that his entire interpretation of the lore is going to be biased by the same women who tried to defend the Hornsent even after Marika's origins were revealed.
>>726339220Archangel Michael.
>>726335349>>726335498He is an Aussie if I recall.Pic real is likely out of date since he hasn't show himself that often since the DS2 days.
>>726339141That is like saying don't blame tea leaves diviners for making up bullshit for gullible idiotsThese are the kind of games the devs do an emergency meeting to switch around the layout, cancel or repurpose bosses if someone says>wait, don't you think this shit is too coherent? Miyazaki wants this to be obscure nonsense so he can't relive his youth of not knowing English and making bullshit up, and then ripping off Berserker yet again?
>>726339380That's exactly how I pictured him.
>>726335128It's all fanfiction anyways, so who cares?
>>726336312I mean it counts as a critical work. It's just less academic because it's about a video game.
>>726335042Literally fucking who?
I really hate this FromSoft/TeamIco's idea of storytelling. I mean, I would like it a lot if it was done just for minor plot points or side characters, leaving things murky for different interpretations and all that, but making the ENTIRE story like that is just underwhelming.
>>726339887Have you been living under a rock or are you just not a Souls fan?
>>726339785because normie golems will eat it and up and Vaati's dumb ideas will be "canon" in their eyes.Vaati's understanding of Elden Ring has ALWAYS been dogshit.
>>726339960The main story of every from game is pretty clear though, only the background lore is up in the air.
>>726340180The problem is that they strip the story so bad that there's nothing left to care to know about. It's all collectathon slop spread across the world. It's fucking nothing.
>>726335042He finished writing a book cant say the same for GRRM.
>>726335042Holy autism
>>726340180All we know for sure about the story from the games is that you must either kill yourself to save the world or become the new Demon Lord and rule everything, that's literally the end of every Souls game.
>>726340465Fatass would run out of breath if he even wrote one sentence.
>>726335128Based Nintendo gamer leaping to From's defense because he's looking forward to Duskbloods
>>726340465GRRM's writing the masterwork of our generation, Vaati is writing some fanfic about a videogame's lore.
>>726340180Anon, what is an Elden Ring? It's the title of the game, surely it is well explained in the game. Surely you can sum up what it is in 2 sentences, maybe 3 sentences max. Surely there is no ambiguity here, I mean, it's the title of the game, right?
>e-celebs now releasing actual bibles for their sycophant followers
>>726340784It's the Lands Between.
>>726340784It's Marika's rune.
>>726341021>>726340979Nope and nope. Try again.
>>726336103Conjecture isn't truth
>>726340784It's the world's kernel
>>726341150Nope. Try again.
>>726335042>400 pages of headcanonLol stupid ass soulniggers
>>726341070>>726341281>I don't know the answer to what I ask, but because it's you, I will never accept your answerYou're the most annoying kind of kid. You weren't bullied nearly enough.
>>726340784Become Elden Lord.That's it you dumbfuck.
I wish George was more directly involved in the game like he is with those shitty TV shows he does. Imagine a FromSoft game with a story entirely written by Martin, forget game of the year, it would be the game of the century.
>>726341281The world's dark ring.
>>726341561I doubt you could even imagine it those answers are legitimately wrong The Elden Ring predates Marika but does not predate the world
>>726340784The elden ring is a culmination of different powers that are stored in and represented by the Great Runes. Having all these runes/powers at the same time is being in possession of the elden ring. These runes control aspects of reality so whoever controls the elden ring has supreme sovereignty over the Lands Between.When Queen Marika's son, Godwyn, was murdered, she felt so much grief that she "shattered" the elden ring. Her children, seeing opportunity, each grabbed a piece (one of the runes) and then went to war to get the others from the rest.However, people can't die in the Lands Between so the war was just this eternal, brutal conflict that eventually tore the kingdom apart, with each demigod just holding on to a rune and unable to get the others because their armies cannot kill each other.
>>726341561He is right, you are not explaining because you can't.Well, you can if you make up follow up bullshit about the nature of such kernel, not because the game is clearly specific about it at any point.
>>726341281I will shit in your shoes
>>726341587Nope>>726341681Not an answer. You can't define with more arbitrary jargon.
>>726340784Source code of reality, written by a god. It's also a cosmic space worm. It's not that fucking ambigious. At literal fucking value word for word form the game, Enia says "The Rune of Deah was plucked form the Elden Ring on its creation". That Rune that shits out of Malekath lets the tree die.What else could it fucking be but a golden thing that controls reality if you can take death from it and suddenly a tree can't die?Fucking moron.
>>726341792Oh your a sctizo overthinker
>>726342079I thought Marika was the god? I thought the space worm was the Elden Beast?
So the elden ring is like the reality stones? This is some Marvel shit lmao
>>726342206Marika is a god, but she's not God.
>>726342285By God do you mean the Greater Will or the Elden Beast? Are they even any different?
>>726335042More like writing out pointless lore. You can't really explain, there's no fucking story behind most of it. Nonsensical slop.
>>726342352Yeah I mean the GW, who's not the Elden Beast. The Elden beast and the ER are one and the same. The GW sent the ER to create the world.
>>726342472So the Elden Beast has the power of all the runes? How the fuck did our character manage to defeat it then? Also, is the Greater Will still alive? Does it ever appear in the game?
>>726342079>Source code of reality, written by a god. It's also a cosmic space worm.>It's not that fucking ambigiousThe irony is hilarious hereIt's even funnier that it is actually the synthesis of your interpretation and >>726341825 with neither of you possessing the whole truth without the other. The Elden Ring does not control reality, it only warps the environment around it. There are areas and factions outside of its sphere of influence.But back to the original question. Is it the space worm? Is it the power that the space worm wields? I mean, after all>It's not that fucking ambigious
>>726341960Have some deepest lore bro
>>726340784The Elden Ring is the Macguffin plot device that allows the wielder to rewrite the laws of reality and nature. It makes you God. Pretty simple.
>>726342614NTA but we are jacked on rune power and likely have a weapon made to kill a god thanks to Hewig when fighting the Elden Beast.As for The Greater Will, it has no actual involvement in the game. It sent down Metyr and then sent down the Elden Beast, then as some point Metyr broke and her and the gingers have been bullshitting everyone by pretending they are taking its orders ever since.
>>726342614>So the Elden beast has the power of all runesNot at the time you fight it. It's wounded. When Marika fractured the Elden Ring only a fragment of the rune remained within her that comes out as the Elden beast, since you possess any number of Great Runes that were separated from it.>Is the GW still aliveNobody knows, Ymir claims it doesn't give a fuck and its "Metatron" equivalent, Metyr, hasn't been able to contact it for a very long time.>>726342696>It only controls whats around itI should be more clear, it dictates the world that its on, not outer space. That much we know.Also I didn't disagree with that other anon, where do we conflict? the only thing I disagree with is you can't say with certainty that Godwyn's death is why Marika broke the Ring. Marika's behavior is the most intentional ambiguous thing in the game.
>>726342696I follow the understanding that the world was basically in a primordial ooze state before GW did its work and that all "natural" life created from/on the planet comes from that interference, but yeah their are other powers out there.
>>726335042How much of it will be headcanon?
>>726335042>but I'm too dumb to understand the references in-gameIt was Zanzibart, dude.
>>726339141Nah it was always retarded
>>726342285https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2j0Sr_6wU4
>>726342696>>726342079>>726343132>no you see, the chicken bones indicate Marika wasn't actually a tranny! It is more in a holy Trinity sense but, like, Duality!>actually, the tea leaves indicate the remnants of the rune of Death remained in Godrick's junk!>well Uranus ascent hints at the Greater Will space parasite theory!You guys will argue about any sort of made up bullshit, as long as it is pointless, arbitrary and unimportant.
>>726340784You need above 100 IQ and experience playing at least one fantasy RPG prior to understand it.
>>726343754At least they're having a good faith discussion about video-games and not shitflinging over politics
>>726343879Yeah, I'll give you that at least.
>>726335349then you must be new, we've known what he looked like since dark souls 2
still crazy to me that this guy made a living reading wikipedia articles.bet this book is padded to hell with ai generated shit.
>>726343132>>726342079>>726341825Whenever people talk about Elden Ring lore they just throw out a million different jargon terms. It's very confusing, you can't even explain simple lore things without mentioning 15 other things that also need to be explained
wasn't the actual lore written by george rr martin one page?
>>726344074Wikipedia doesn't dive into Elden Ring lore at all. Hell, not even the Elden Ring wikis dive into Elden Ring lore. It's all so subjective that they don't even bother and only exist as a gameplay guide. He made a living reading item descriptions, and potentially stealing his lore ideas from /v/
>>726344074Not even wiki articles, all his DS1 and 2 info was stolen from other lore youtubers that actually did the work and 4chan threads.>>726344136That's only an issue of you didn't bother reading items descriptions while playing the game which at that point is out you.
>>726335128japs are especially jewy with copyright I think he'll face some trouble
>>726335042this was going to happen sooner or later, though I much preferred if tarnished archeologist took a stab at it. the lore is too in depth and derveres multiple books going over it properly instead of basic wiki entries and shitty fanboy speculations.
>>726344145Yeah he wrote up all the core concepts and general character ideas/histories and then let the From team warp them to fit what they were making.
>>726344145>one pagetry one piece of toilet paper
>>726344074this is literally most e tubers out there. very few will go the extra mile to read and research properly since it requires actual effort and time.
>>726343754Anon, I'm not the lore schizos that see a flower on an armor piece and start implying its a long lost kingdom the game never once mentioned that was responsible for the entire plot.There ARE faggots on this board that do this, but everything I've stated so far is backed by item descriptions. I'm not making any guesses here.Like for example, when I say the Elden Beast is a fraction of the rune.OBVIOUSLY we know the Great Runes are part of the Elden Ring, the game says it. Obviously you collect them form the Demigods, the game says it, you use them as a mechanic.When you read the Elden Beasts remembrance, you know it's the Elden Ring.Ergo, logically, when I see Radagon has the Elden Ring his his chest yet I have all the Great Runes, I can come to the conclusion that the EB is incomplete.I'm not going to roll over and go "LMAO MIYAZACKI FORGOT, ELDEN SLOP, HE DOESN'T EVEN WRITE THE GAME LMAO" because I need the game to explain every detail to figure out what is going on.
>>726344136That's what people do when they talk about things they don't understand.>>726344145Imo you'd need around 20 pages for each faction, and a bit more for the fantasy races.If GRRM came up with things like the land octopuses, golden centipede etc the whole book could be 100 pages long.
>>726337882>Absolutely and his name is vaati>He doesn't know who Vaati isfake gamer
>>726344136Please point out the jargon.
>>726344352TA is among the most overrated lore youtubers of all time, which is insane given the competition
>>726342472>>726343087>>726343132Do you guys think we'll ever get Elden Ring 2 and there it will be explained what happened to the Greater Will?
>>726344145According to some testimonies, he only gave them back a greasy napkin with a bunch of scribbles and dorito dust
>>726340069I assume you have a better grasp of it's lore?
>>726344741How so?
>>726344775ER 2 is a possibility but finding out about the GW isn't likely, its a literal living cosmological force so far away from the planet itself that its represented by a singularity.In ER God is real but so vast are far away that it has no involvement with the world .
>>726344145No, Miyazaki wrote the story and the lore, then he sent it to Martin, who read it and made corrections and changed things that he thought weren't that good and sent it back to Miyazaki, who made more modifications based on his liking and we got the lore that we have today.
>>726335042>Elden Ring loreit's the same as the other games, anon>ancient power has awokened or been disrupted>go bonk the same copy-pasted monsters (some of them are re-skinned) and kill some bosses>choose your favorite ending after defeating the final bossany important story is told to you in the beginning cutscene(s), and any cool lore about areas/enemies are found in item descriptions.
What do we think of Joseph Anderson's critique of Elden Ring? Was he right in calling it a shattered masterpiece?
>>726344145>>726345012Martin was just a publicity stunt. He only made sure everyone knew he was involved by naming all the characters after himself, wrote a surprisingly detailed excerpt of Dung Eater's habits, and fucked off.
>souls loreSouls games barely have any plot
>>726344775I doubt if there was one Miyazacki would include it.My guess is the GW was invented by G.R.R Martin as a god stand in. Most people agree that George did not conceptualize the 2 fingers as a giant alien hand, it seems way more likely that he was repeating "The High Sparrow" and it was intended to be one or more pope-like figures interpreting God.That's why it's so weird. In Martin's rough it was probably "There is God, the GW, and he is interpreted by a pope like figure, the two fingers, who rule the church, the golden order, which elects the goddess baring the Elden Ring, who is basically an empress, who uses the power of a big sacred tree and the ring to rule.But Miyazacki made the fingers supernatural entities, expanded the role of the Goddess and threw in other supernatural entities.Of course this is all speculation, but knowing Martin this is probably the origin of why the framework is like GW>Elden Ring> All other gods, spirits and shit and the religion is so confusing (People worshiping the Erdtree and Marika, when a higher power exists and actually gave her that job)
>>726335913That's right saar we sound native *wobbles head*
>>726335128Hes literally on Bamcos payroll so no its fine
>>726344917Most of his theories hinge on his past hypotheses being correct, and he spends entire videos talking about how "intentional" some game assets are without considering that they're reused from previous Souls games.- Also shit like pic related showing he gets all of his data from youtubers and reddit, yet he fails to read actual interviews with the creators while his commenters rave about his research process
You know what would be nice? If ER had an actual antagonist. Or at very least another party that wanted all that power for themselves, but did NOT go "mr. murder hobo, we appreciate how you went all over the world to meet us at random places, we'll just assume you will act with our interests in mind, here's ending unlocking item, we'll now die".
>beat Elden Ring>go to NG+>the entire map is already visible with markers of every cave I discovered in NG>no option to start new game cycle without the unlocked map
>>726342696You‘re such a disingenuous retard
>>726345837Why do you want back the tedious, tiresome parts?Go clear the fog of war in diablo 2 over and over if that is your thing.
>>726345837I just make new characters
>>726345946I mean, automap the whole thing again hahah what was I thinking man.
>>726345946Going through the map is the fun part though. Yeah, I get it, the opened map lets you beeline to Altus Plateau, but I prefer not to.
>>726345837>>726346018If you want to play a build you can't play in a normal run until endgame, like int/fai, NG+ is recommended.
>>726345808What fucking boggles my mind is that in the game where you have the most well-defined and active parties vying for power, there's no Covenant system. Like, fuck, I want to fight for Mohg, or the Volcano Manor, or maybe some fucked up Omen Covenant to burn it all down.
>>726344976the greater will is the kabbalistic ein sof.
>>726345336Japanese people can't understand monotheism at all.
>>726345708so who's actually good in your opinion? seems everyone gets something wrong about the lore.
>>726335679redditors
>>726345837Can you fast travel to all those places you already unlocked during your first playthrough on NG+?
>>726345808It's not that type of story.It's not a story at all honestly.
Imagine wasting your time explaining the lore of a video game that the writers just shat out knowing that the average player doesn't give 2 shits about it.
you guys put more thought into these stories than the devs ever dreaded to do, nobody gives a fuck on the writing team give it a rest
>>726335042Man it's 2025 Vaati's videos are so incredibly superficial now (and so are Matthew's btw, that's the real reason the last few videos are schizo rants and then he quit)
>>726346403I forgot, it's been a while.
>>726335679He was one of the first guys to make them, by just gathering whatever stupid shit we and reddit came up with
>>726346549LOOOOOOL at you comparing Vaat to Matthew, fuck off you fucking retarded piece of shit, Matthew's videos have like 100x the depth of Vaati's, you gotta be a fucking moron to even be comparing them, I doubt you even watched a single minutes of Matthew, fucking redditor retard
>>726335679this cringe kino hit different in 2013https://youtu.be/5N7J802QzP4
>>726335042I wish fromsoft would cease-and-desist this faggot already
GUYSRECOMMEND ME A BUILD IN ELDEN RINGI WANT SOMETHING THAT'S MOSTLY MELEE, FAST AND MAKES USE OF BUFF SPELLS OR AILMENT STATUS (LIKE BLEEDING, FREEZE, ETC)GOGOGOGOGO pic related is me btw
>>726346797Rot Priestess. Dex/Faith with Posion/Rot incantations and wielding the scorpion dagger or antspur rapier.
>>726346285NTA but I like Smough Town mainly because despite being super long winded he not only engages with the game but also watchers other youtubers to gain different perspectives even if that means he changes his mind on things, and when he odes so he is willing to openly admit it.I also means that going back to watch any of his older video's means there is a chance that his view on the lore has shifted but it also shows an open and honest curiosity that keeps him honest and in truth closer to the game itself in terms of interpretations since future interpretations are less likely to be founded on previous faulty reasoning.
>>726346960YOOO I LIKE THAT A LOT AND THAT RAPIER LOOKS FUCKING SICK THX BRO
>>726346162The biggest failing of modern souls games is the deprecation of Multiplayer feature, like Zamor was originally meant to be a covenant before they scrapped the entire system from ER.
>>726347227Multiplayer has never been better, we even have multiplayer-focused Souls games now.
>>726336729Isn't the idea to replicate the experience of reading a Fighting Fantasy or Lone Wolf book where you get snippets of a larger world but nothing too concrete
>>726347484Multiplayer was at tis best in DS1 where you had multiple ways of engaging with it and effects of a players world even if they weren't in human form.
>>726340669>GRRM's writing the masterwork of our generation>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew
>>726340669Yeah, two more weeks and it'll come out.
>>726346797STR/FAI Dragon Chad that uses lightning encants and buffs his weapon with dragon lightning.
>>726348359And? Do you think that’s bad writing just because it's describing a woman having a diarrhea?
>>726346285I don't think anyone is infallible, but my main point is the sheer difference in how people talk about TA vs other creators when he gets stuff wrong just as often. I do like Gingy's videos on Souls games, though
>>726338057source?
>>726338057He's basically in charge of localization, it makes sense although I think the money will run out with FS moving away from souls games.
>>726335042>400 pages of made up shitsoulsfags are something else man
>>726348669It's slop writing (literally and figuratively). Tolkien never felt the need to include garbage like this into his stories. We never got details about Gollum squatting to shit and getting yelled at by Sam. We never heard about the Fellowship sucking each other's dicks to take the edge off. GRRM is a hack and relies on smut and filth in his stories because he is clearly a creep.
I want this but for Elder Scrolls/Skyrim
>>726339337no, it represents the alchemic dragon beast symbolizing the union of marika and radagon, and more importantly, the order itself. YOU are the archangel michael sent down to slay the beast.
>>726335042@grok summarize all of this dudes videos and give me the quick rundown on the lore voiced by my waifu melina
>>726349095Tolkien wanted to create the Grand mythos of the English people, this is just a video game. Why compare the both?
>>726349273Wrong.
>>726349419why?
>>726335042I remembered that, despite all his efforts, Vaati only got a turd from fromsoftware, while the chimp got an official thank you gift from them lol, just for playing their game poorly though at least he’s loud
>>726337882>Absolutely and his name is vaatii hate that i share a board with you people
>>726335042Borderlands, of all games, fucking humiliation Elden Ring and it was fucking hilarious watching this sorry ass series get kicked in the balls by Randy Bitchford
>>726335128If it were Nintendo his channel would have been taken down a decade ago. Fromsoft, he's probably fine. I can't remember so take this with a grain of salt but I thought he's actually been in contact with them before and had a good relationship with From so I doubt he would take this step without checking first. Haven't seen anything of his in a long long time though. It amazes me his channel is still going. How much can he possibly milk these stories?
I liked Vaati's Armored Core video.
>>726349484Because you said some dumb shit that had nothing to do with the cosmological comparison that the Elden Beast is the envoy of the Greater Will.Yeah maybe it does reference some alchemical shit and it does embody the golden order (As the ER is editable and that is its current form), but you the Tarnished are certainly no Michael.
why are western europe reasontards incapable of just revelling in mystery?
>>726346797>RECOMMEND ME A BUILD IN ELDEN RINGDo a Bofuri build.
>>726339236It was one of the most obvious interpretations. The other interpretation was the one that the devs themselves planned for and then cut, that Andre was going to be Gwyn's son.
>>726349095Who gives a shit about Tolkien? We're talking about well written books.
>>726349730this is just going to go off topic since michael could be interpreted more than just an envoy.
>>726340784Representation of the Golden Order, the laws of reality that the Fingers and the Elden Beast are able to impress onto the world, that modify the functions of various things according to the will of their chosen agent. They probably could lead themselves, but prefer to create a God to run the show for them while they pull strings. It doesn't make the rules of reality, but it warps them and lets you rewrite them to some extent - but not without consequence.
>>726349504Who's the "chimp"?
>>726350317How do you know that it was cut?
>>726344145We have no fucking clue what he wrote, but we do know that basically every member of the cast changed at least substantially over the course of development. So whatever he wrote wasn't that focused on characters, wasn't that specific, or wasn't beholden to.
>>726350845i think they got him to write a bunch of generic names and lineages for the intro which literally any person could do, just so that they could flex his name around for the marketing
>>726335042Elden shart's lore is as deep as puddle of piss. Did he write ROLL ROLL ROLL ROLL on 400 pages?
>>726350784>http://soulslore.wikidot.com/data:andre-of-astoraDesign Works interview panel.
>>726350679So a demiurge you cyclically defeat and replace, becoming one yourself. This is the soulsborne games in a nutshell.
>>726350442Jehova Witnesses believe Michael does everything for god, if that makes it make more sense.
>>726346285Just do a completionist playthrough of the game and read stuff you pick up and you'll be better informed than any loretuber because you experienced it yourself. There's nothing they'll know that you won't.
>>726346162If you did that Marika wouldn't have any use for you.
>>726351204Nah, people who think the GW is the Demiurge are brainlets.The lesson in Elden Ring is giving mankind god powers doesn't take the flaws of man out of the equation.
>>726351204The Elden Beast isn't a creator god, its just the underboss to an absentee landlord. It just has mystical space magic that lets it warp the laws of physics but not rewrite them totally. Marika was free to remove death from the world, but couldn't remove the need for things to die.
>>726351501You don't defeat the greater will, do you?
>>726335042Vaati is a fucking clown and you're all going to the circus.This pretentious faggot is insufferable. You have to be a pretentious self acclaimed intellectual retard to watch his stupid shit.Elden ring has no concrete lore. Martin even admitted as such. You're not meant to deduce all of it. You just have to make your own connections as you're playing. The game's lore wasn't made to be 'solved'.
>>726335042Only literal basedpoggers buy this shit.Like how fucking disabled do you have to be?
When there's an entire industry trying to explain your game's story, you told the story poorly
>>726351701Saying Marika is the Demiurge is a stretching it, unless you're a massive Goldmask fag.
>>726335042good for that grifter then, making money off a retards who buy into the nonsensical zanzibart "lore"
>>726350942Godwyn in particular is just a conglomerate of a bunch of GRRM tropes
It's just a guy making youtube videos about the lore of a game. You don't have to be so openly antagonistic and vitriolic towards it.
>>726352196You misunderstand, he has to rely on book sales because Youtube doesn't pay.The average game writer likely earns more.
>>726352753/v/ hates vaati because he just stole all our lore discussion from DaS threads. You could tell as time went on he did this less and less because his interpretations were retarded.Best example was already mentioned, he aped the Solaire concept from us.He also stole the "Pinwheel story" from us, which was conceptualized based on concept art frequently posted in the threads.
>>726339380OH NO HES HOT
>>726352753Yes I do.
>>726352753I do have to be openly antagonistc and vitriolic, and you know that.
>>726336253none of these are true
>>726335042>giving money to a youtubersurely no one is retarded enough to do this, right?
>>726353981That youtuber is the greatest authority on Souls lore currently.
>>726353075Honestly a lot of money is made from just taking shit from 4chan, most people here (me included) are to lazy to attempt to monetize it. I remember when the Pirate software shit happened people were posting info about him from kiwi farms saying just putting it in video format for a 1 hour video would launch a youtube channel, and it did so for a few.Even a fucking 4chan post sold for 90k
>>726353729>muh /v/ guy meme who's always angry about somethingTry smiling or conceptualizing the idea that things you dislike don't affect you as much as you think they do every once in a while.
>>726339380he has that typical low intelligence phenotype
>>726354023just watch (with ublock) his videos then
>>726344268Japs have a whole culture based on selling fanfictions and theories. Only nintendo act jewy
>>726353981He has been doing this since Dark Souls 2
>>726351649>Marika was free to remove death from the world, but couldn't remove the need for things to die.What's the difference?
>>726335042>and then melpherara slid the elden cock ring onto her dick this starting the age of fire
>>726352658Such as?
>>726353075Do you have proof of any of that you're claiming?
>>726354901Its two partsFirst she made it so instead of souls passing onto the other various afterlife systems instead all humans get absorbed and then reborn through the Erdtree.And second she removed the Rune of Death which froze the potential for anything important enough to have a fate from tryly dying.Type 1 over the ages of the never-ending war has dulled the senses of the population and turned the world into a slowly decay stalemate of undying standing armies. It also meant that any spirit with to much rancor towards the world would be rejected and instead become one of Those Who Live in Death.The second one means that the demigods and the like you defeat are technically still alive but so incapacitated as to be ineffective, the biggest ones being Godrick's remaining torso being basically a vegetable stomped on by Gostoc and the Rykard/Serpent fusion technically still being alive and allowing Tanith to devour him and eventually turn her into some new kind of fusion.
>>726355392>Heroic Blond Pretty Boy associated with Gold.>Charismatic Hero able to make friends out of his enemies >Likewise he has a heavy Dragon Association>Tragically killed signaling the end of the pervious ageHe is basically a mixture of Rhaegar and Jamie.
>>726351649can you say this is a critique of life extension, modernity, and the need to "save" people from suffering and death, which only hinders them later, and the overly feminine aspect behind his? marika herself sounds a lot like the dark mother cybele.
>>726335042>Relatively articulate guy with a smooth voice becomes the "lore scholar" of the game with maybe some of the most retconned filled and schizophrenic lore not meant to be solvedI just don't understand the appeal, do normies not know how to read? Most of the stuff is just almost public knowledge from threads or reddit posts
>>726335679Literally dumbass redditors who think this guy is the lord
>>726335349The name is taken from a Zelda antagonist.
>>726335128I will make it legal.
>>726352658>>726355392>>726355929>Godfrey, Godwyn, Godrick, Rennala, Radagon, Radahn, Rykard, Ranni, Renna, Marika, Morgott, Mogh, Malenia, Miquella, and Malikethevery major characters name literally starts with a G, R or an M. its quite blatant.
>>726357263>Stamp your name on your work so blatantly>Make it an amalgam of all your work but with actual magic since that's what you were ask>Still don't explain jack shit or how it worksKind of based, honestly. If only the fat cunt can finish his work
>>726335042didn’t this guy do several paid promos for Bamco before?any chance this is just another bit of low-key marketing from them?
>>726358463Martin's favorite version of Magic is the kind where there is a presumed logic behind it, but the full grasp of that logic is beyond both the characters and audience to have.
>>726335128if a fallout pony book can receive a physical publication then yes, this should be fine
>>726354161well yeah he dedicated his life to the CODs of RPGs
>>726348921So he's the one who screwed up the ranni dialogue?
Is this retard still peddling the parasite theory? Seemed pretty clear to me he didn't even actually play the game.
>>726356226Basically, he just stole theories from /v/ and used his Anglo accent to farm YouTube, claiming he made the connections himself
>>726340784It's literally the world tree, that's why is manifests as one every time it's used to rewrite reality.
>>726346285For ER, the only one that has any clue what's going on is scum mage infa, the rest ignore extremely obvious symbolism. Even then he's a retard that just makes shit up.
>>726335042I'd still take Vaati over someone unbelievably pretentious like ratatoskr
>>726336253Main antagonist? WomanMain antagonist before main antagonist? WomanMain antagonist of the DLC? TrannyAnd the strongest Demigod was always said to be Radahn, Malenia was simply called the undefeated, because she had never fought Radahn before.
>>726335679Better than any other lore poster by a mile.
>>726336729Nigga shut the fuck up, you definitely saw something that conflicted with your own sperg head canon and now youre perma mad.
>>726335042Goyslop Japanese [thing] final boss
>>726348669Yes, obviously you stupid nigger. Grrm is fetishist larping as Tolkien-lite.
>>726335042This lorefag has literally made a career out of explaining the history of Souls games. Something he never even created. And his videos total 750 million in views. Which shows that Souls fags actually put value on to this. This is absolute lunacy.
>>726349095>>726361801The thing is that GRRM is trying to capture more or less a reality of the situation than a more traditional romanticized rendition of what you would consider a Tolkien-esque fantasy story. Ultimately, I think it's pretty excessive yeah and perhaps in being as explicitly anti-Tolkien as it is makes the work worse. The real seething should be about how much time it took him to come up with the character sharting herself compared to the time it takes him to actually release a novel without a billion rewrites. I swear, for all of her faults, Rowling at least knew how to be punctual with her shit. I know Harry Potter isn't exactly high art and the books have questionable writing and some handwaving, but it's kind of insane how long George takes for what's essentially an average sized book for him. I'm not sure if it's a case of he lost confidence following the audience's shit reaction to Bran the Broken, but it's very retarded
I don't get why everyone deepthroats Vaati. I honestly think that Hawkshaw's lore videos are much better in every single way even though he may reach a bit
>>726360223Infa is a total schizo, just look at his latest videos. The only things he did of note were noticing that Stormveil's main battlements weren't broken and that Leyndell possibly had more paint in the past.
>>726335128I'm going to blow your fucking mind anon: Once upon a time, there was a huge market for unofficial guidebooks published about specific videogames. These books would spill all the secrets and easter eggs that the authors knew about, as well as strats and tips and item locations and plot details. Game companies couldn't stop them.
>>726346285I don't agree with everything he writes, and he can be a bit of a bitch the rare times he speaks in a stream, but Lokey is a thorough lore guy, and he actually knows Japanese. He has his own site for his write-ups. Last Protagonist is also good and knows a bit of Japanese, though his research isn't as sound, and he doesn't acknowledge the storytelling convention of things that go "it is said" to convey what are meant to be reliable facts. He can be overly doubtful of basic things as a result, even those we can thoroughly confirm in the game for ourselves. SmoughTown is another good guy, he focuses a lot on in-game info in particular and is willing to address when he might be wrong.However, the best thing you can possibly do is just thoroughly play the game for yourself. Talk to the characters, do their quest lines, read the item descriptions, and pay close attention to the environmental storytelling and how the timing of events works out in the history of the setting. That will prepare you. A number of the loretubers happen to jump the gun or otherwise say really bizarre, unfounded things in an attempt to maximize viewers.
>>726362978Vaati had nice voice, early mover advantage, decent editing skills, a greater understanding of the Youtube Algorithm and a semi-professional direction to his videos.If you look at his predecessor/contemporary in regards to Souls Lore in Epicnamebro. Who while having first movers advantage, spoke conversationally instead of as a storyteller, had a higher reliance on raw gameplay footage alongside still screencaps of item descriptions, and had videos ranging from 15-30+ minutes when the gold standard was still short form, under 10 minute content.Vaati got in right before first moves gotOnce Vaati outcompeted ENB, he became both the first mover and was someone with the business sense to keep on top of the online trends. So when more people came into the community with DS2 and 3 he was right there as the largest and most polished channel, in the scene
>>726347227What's your source on Zamor originally being a covenant? The only data-diving info about Zamor relates to the Ancient Hero of Zamor boss/enemy seemingly being one of the enemies first tested for Spirit Ash summons.
>>726365502*Vaati got in right before the first mover advantage was to great to surpass without the first mover fucking up.
>>726354069This is indeed true, but the 4chan spirit of things is always everything should be free and for the genuine spirit of it.>>726355462You had to be there, not like I screen capped or know the archieved links to threads from early 2010's /v/.All I remember is before Vaati ever made the youtube video about Pinwheel being a necromancer who failed to raise his dead family and ended up merging with him, /v/ was talking about it based on the three man silhouette and their respective masks revealed in the concept art.It's obviously not a massive schizo story considering the masks, but for people who straight up played the game without outside knowledge of the concept art showing three bodies resting on each other he is not the easiest boss to make out.
>>726345808Miquella is the antagonist
>>726355462Not that anon, but I was around for the lore threads at the time and Vaati increasingly took stuff from them uncredited (not even saying it was from an anonymous person). The Pinwheel theory in particular, which was discussed for a brief period on /vg/, was the case where Vaati's theft became blatant, because there's basically no proof for the Pinwheel idea at all. That was just a random case of speculation based on an unemphasized painting in Anor Londo, and one that was ultimately just lifted from a real-life painting. There are also several Pinwheels, one just betrayed Nito, stole the Rite of Kindling, and fled to become the boss that's defeated.
>>726362205His heart isn't in it anymore; he became too successful and lost his drive. He still works, but it's on his own terms.
>>726365885>His heart isn't in it anymore>The magnum opus he spent two decades of his life on>that he keeps expanding with short stories no one's asked forI could see it though yeah
>>726335042I can just listen to tarnished archaeologist for free
>>726335042WIll the book have a blank page in between every one with text?
>>726346797Use fist or claw, go naked with blue dancer talisman, should be plenty of bleed options you can enchant with other status ailments
>>726351993I just can't stand his voice.For lore or game discussion I think it's always more interesting than listening to one person drone on to hear two people or a panel bounce ideas off each other, like whenever ratatoskr, aesiraesthetics or the troon+russian chick have guests on.
>>726346797Things I've never seen in the arena or invading>Dedicated Frenzied flame build, everyone just uses le sniper beam and 2 Vykes, sometimes Howl. >Dedicated Magma sorcery build. I did this once and felt original because no one else did it>Dedicated Arc/int mage build, Only i've done this.>Any character build that isn't Gold Mask, Blaidd, Godskin Noble, Fire Prelate, Malenia, Godfrey or doodoo man. I do smile whenever I face a Goldmask larper who uses nothing but discs though.>Dedicated necromancer that isn't just some fag with Family Heads, I'm literally the only one wrecking people with putrescence.
>>726362205Grrm is a dumb lazy faggot who threw too much shit on the wall and now have no idea how to tie everything up. And he have no son to finish it for him, so nigga should bite the bullet, spend some time, incognito, on asoiaf forum and stitch together some fan teories into semi coherent story
>>726345808Elden Ring has lots of antagonists, but the Elden Beast serves as the final boss and Miquella is the final boss of the DLC.
>>726335042>need 400 pages to explain a shitty story you could do it with less than 10 words>women throwing a tantrum and fucking up the WORLDyoutubers are so fucking cancerous
>>726372593i can tell you right now that 60% of it is gonna be prepare to cry "dark souls broke me and saved me" bullshit all over it.
>>726335042If this is like his videos, then it will not change the fact that the DLC's story and lore sucks ass.I was excpecting something official, because I cannot believe that this DLC is fucked like that, there must be something else that makes it cool, but I think that it will just stay like that and just planely sucks and be a disapointment, making it non-canon.
>>726335679everyone from 4chan makes it bigwhy haven't YOU started your youtube career talking about inane retarded shit, /v/?
>The fallen leaves tell a story, but i'm not convinced it's a good one. I have completed ER two times, i have watched a reasonable amount of lore videos and i spent considerable amount of time reflecting on the information presented within this game. One thing i haven't found yet is any reason the player is meant to care about all this.>Now FromSoft have become famous for their confusing narratives, but i would like to compare the different openings of these games. [...] In Dark Souls, the life sustaining First Flame is fading and it's resulting in humans losing their sanity. Humanity is facing an existential threat, and you are another poor soul trying to fight this. [...]>In Elden Ring, you are a Tarnished who wakes up in the Lands Between and then sets out to kill every important person here, to try to become the Elden Lord. But this is not your war, so why would i want to get involved in it? And this is not your land, so why would i want to rule it? I mean it doesn't seem like a very nice place. Everyone just tries to kill each other. There is a religious aspect for these events, where you were apperently once banished by the light of Grace and now it is waking you back and tries to guide you. And it's nice that the light of Grace wants me back after banishing me, but why would I want IT back? It BANISHED me. And as far as i can tell, i don't owe it anything. In fact, i don't even know what it is. Maybe we are stuck in the Lands Between, but other people seem to travel between here and other places, like the Badlands and the Lands of Reeds, so wouldn't a more sensible motivation be to look for a way out of this rather dangerous island? Instead we just set out immediately to kill everyone.
>>726347023smoughtown is dogshit, worse than TA, makes up bullshit in every video. he's just milking the "lore" for all its worth
>>726360223>obvious symbolismcompletely unintentional and your infa guy just reads into things like a schizo
>>726373250The entire game is built off the conceit that you want to become Elden Lord, every game has one and so criticizing that motivation is like asking why Simon Belmont cannot just fuck off instead of going to fight Dracula.Which guy did this come from, it gives off massive Joseph Anderson vibes but I'm not sure.
>>726373250>Hurr durr finshing the game grants my char me godlike power but that's not enough motivation because my char was banished once
Lorefags need to be wiped off the face of the planet
>>726373708>godlike powers>sit in a chair and rule over zombies
>>726373684simon belmont has motivation, the player character doesnt. fuck off apologist for dogshit story
A number of times I asked the NPCs "Why are we killing each other again?" and tried to delve into the lore for answers.But the real answer is everyone has to die or meet some terrible end in this game.
>>726373825You sound like the kind of person that gets mad he can't negotiate every fight in a ttrpg when the goal of the campaign as laid out at the start is to kill monsters and loot the dungeon.Embrace the core conceit or don't play the game.
>>726335042I hate vaatividya. The so-called "lore expert" shilled all over demon souls remake when it was fucking with the visual lore left and right
>>726373929>A number of times I asked the NPCs "Why are we killing each other again?"This never happened
>>726335042Just how empty your life should be to be doing this kind of activity?
>>726335042Sounds exactly like something named Vaati would do.
>>726336850ISBN?
>>726346667holy shit
>>726374126>core conceityou can play the game for gameplay and shit on its dogshit story which it has just like most miyazaki slop games
>>726351365>Jehova Witnesses believe Michael does everything for godWho cares though?
