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>>726365068
Yeah. Like 3/4 of them.

>>726365068
Baldurs gate was never good, people like it because of bg3. Play divinity instead

Old shit. Why play Fallout, when you have Fallout 4.

>>726365068
nope, they're all terrible
now come on; let's go play some fortnite.

>>726365068
I'd assume all of them, based on the title

>>726365068
>zoomer here
you are 37 years old

>>726365068
Pikmin 1 is better than 2, but yeah.

>>726365068
>Red Alert 2
>Contra Hard Corps
>Deus Ex
>Metal Slug
>Hitman Blood Money
>Tomb Raider
Yeah.

>>726365068
Unless you're done playing every game that came out this year, why are you even looking at games that came out decades ago?

>>726366286
Patrician taste.

>>726365068
The reason we old bastards talk about these games still is because they're good. You don't hear people talking about Unirally or Cool Spot or Rocky Rodent is because they're *not.*

Time has made much, much less visible the shitty games from the past. If you hear something mentioned time and time again and it's over ~15 years old, the overwhelming odds are that it's based on merit. Or because there's yet another fucking remake/reboot coming, yuck.

>>726365068
Play Timesplitters

>>726365068
They all are. You won't like them all but you'll be able to go down rabbit holes following the ones you do.

>>726366428
Please be bait

>>726365068
Katamari damacy and bayonetta are pretty good, the rest isn't worth your time (played 80% of the games in that image).

>>726368213
Video games are part of an ongoing cultural conversation. Unless you're trying to write a book on video game history, why would you play a game that came out 20 years ago?

>no JRPGs
Shit list

>>726368990
>Unless you're trying to write a book on video game history, why would you play a game that came out 20 years ago?
To have fun.
>Video games are part of an ongoing cultural conversation.
You realize 80% of the public don't play games, right? The vast majority of your fellow wage slaves and family won't know or care about what happens in the latest COD or even GTA6.

>>726368839
Retard with shit taste

>>726368990
Lol, casual

>>726368990
Yeah bro, don't watch any movies or listen to any music that didn't come out this year either. Gotta make sure you can discuss the latest goyslop with the other cattle in the wagecage

Blood Money
Resident Evil 4
Vampires: the Masquarade
Half-life 2
Symphony of the Night

If you are zoomer who never played any of them those probably hold up the best in almost 2026, also Ninja Gaiden, but it's very hard

Yeah just bear in mind that any list with half pc games and half console games isn't going to vibe with a given unc. You may find that you are a pc unc or a console unc in your mind.

>>726365068
Not a perfect rec list, but that's surprisingly solid. Castlevania 3 isn't the one I'd suggest. Super or SOTN, or maybe one of the GBA ones.

>>726369097
SOTN and Demon's Souls are right there.

>>726369150
>>726369329
Everyone I know under 40 plays at least 3-5 games a year. All of my friends play around 20+ games a year.
Video games are not niche. Every non-work conversation I had this month was about one of E33, Dispatch, Hades 2, Silksong, or VTMB2. I'd be a complete pariah if I didn't play every single one of those games.
Could you imagine your social life surviving at your workplace next year if don't pick up GTAVI when it comes out?

>>726369660
>Hades
>VTMB2
Stop baiting, no one is discussing these games. There's only a small handful of relevant releases a year.

>>726369660
>GTAVI
Wouldn't touch this garbage even if the pope was playing it.

>>726369776
That's why I said "this month". They're FoTM releases no one's going to be talking about in 2026.

>>726369848
You're missing the point. Video games are the most popular form of entertainment right now. No one's going to hate on you if you don't catch the latest season of Stranger Things. You're going to be completely OOTL if you avoid GTAVI.

>>726365068
Morrowind has le epic Dagoth Ur

>>726365068
Forced meme

>>726365068
no you should play "stick your dick in a toaster" instead

>>726370076
>did you hear about phil? word is xhe didn't watch the latest keeping up with kardashian's and now is completely OOTL.
nigger who gives a fuck?

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>>726365068
Genuinely Good but not Great:
>Monkey Ball
>DKC2
>Cave Story
>Metal Slug
>Half Life 2
>Zelda
Mediocre
>Super Metroid
>Castlevania
>Katamari
>Max Payne
>Star Fox
>SnP
>DeS
>Hard Corps
>SMB3
>Banjo
>NGB
>Red Alert
>RE (remake only)
>Deus Ex
>Time splitters
Awful
>VTMB
>Hitman
>Ico
>Pikmin
>Morrowind
>Silent Hill
>RE4
>BG1
>Splinter Cell
>Fallout
>Ultima
>JA2
>Tomb Raider

>>726370708
>tranime image
>is a terminally retarded neet incel with shit taste
Every fucking time. Thanks for writing all that out, but your opinion and your existence are worth less than dirt.

>>726369640
Oh, you

>>726370860
Unlike you I actually grew up with these games. Get better taste and stop trying to live in a past you didn't even experience.

>>726365068
About half are worth playing and half you can ignore. I'd say Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Metroid are good. Cave Story is good as well. Give Hitman: Blood Money a try and see if you like it. The Pikmin games are pretty great but I really wouldn't recommend Pikmin 2.

A lot are lacking and probably not worth your time, either having a better game later in the series or just being noteworthy for the system it came out on. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is nice but kind of boring to play thru, especially compared to Super Metroid. I wouldn't recommend Castlevania 3, but if you're really curious about how old-school CV plays, it is one of the better ones. 3D Collectathons are pretty much dead and I'd probably recommend Mario Galaxy or something more recent over Banjo-Kazooie. I didn't find the Donkey Kong Country games to be that great, and there's certainly better platformers you could play instead. Star Fox 64 isn't really worth playing unless you're really curious, and want to know what those corridor shooters are like. Metal Slug is a fun quarter-muncher with nice pixelart but I wouldn't recommend it over somewhat similar games. Resident Evil is not too great and I wouldn't put the first game at the top of any list. I think the more recent titles are probably better than RE4, but haven't played them to be sure. I'd recommend the first Devil May Cry or some other Platinum titles over Bayonetta.

Super Monkey Ball is kind of strange, really odd controls. I didn't like it, but it's definitely a different sort of game.

>>726370708
Genuinely Kys

HOLY SHIT A NEW UNCSLOP GAME GOT LEAKED:

https://youtu.be/Ao3iC_L1kzQ?si=YQk6R4HsPIcQKPO2

>>726370935
>pushing 40, still posting on 4chan, still posting shitty bait for a tiny shred of attention
Pack it up unc, you are cooked my guy. Your life is a fucking failure.

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>>726371097
You ever notice that nu/v/ is really shit at games? Like I fired up Celeste today on a whim and breezed through the c-sides in like an hour even though I haven't touched the game in years. I used to think they were really hard. Its a really weird feeling. They say you get worse at games when you get old but the opposite is true.


Like I have a feeling the sort of people who would be upset by that list are really shit at games and just looking for some casual games from the past to cherry pick. You can tell when someone only plays a crappy casual genre like rpgs or really overblows the difficulty of old games.

>>726371050
Charisma isn't following the herd.
Just speak passionately about the things you like and others will listen.

>>726371651
you ever notice that you are a gay pedophile that should kill himself?

>>726371006
Absolute subhuman with disgusting taste who has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.

Banjo plays nothing at all like Galaxy and is still the best collectathon of all time

RE4 is still the undisputed best RE game (and best action game in general)

Star Fox 64 and Sin & Punishment are still the best railshooters of all time and hold up extremely well, just classic pick-up and play, highly replayable, high skill ceiling, just classic arcadey fun

Metal Slug is still the best run and gun by far and spouting out "muh quarter muncher!" just makes you look like a retard. And what "somewhat similar games" are you even talking about you fucking inbred? Not a single one you've even cleared, so just shut the fuck up, just spouting generic platitudes

Bayonetta (1) is basically DMC but improved in nearly every way and with way more charm, style, and personality to boot

DKC (and Crash) still have some of the most fun and creative hazard-focused levels. Challenging, replayable, oozing charm and attitude.

>>726370708
you can't just put Pikmin in shit you retard

>>726365068
Do you know how to use a can opener?

@726371651
@726370708
Oh it's the same terminally online NEET tranny faggot who shits his diaper about RPGs because they don't have arcade gameplay and who dicksucks shmups despite only having baby's first shitclear after 2000 hours in the genre

Maybe someday he will finally kill himself.

No one bother responding to him. Finally stopped avatarfagging as people ignored him, but he's such an autistic retard he still sticks out like a sore thumb

>>726371943
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/shitclear/
Do you make every bad thread on /v/

Imagine wanting to act and talk like a nigger, even ironically.

>>726365068
Not CV3 but CV1 definitely
Castlevania is the best NES game. It holds up. CV3 is unfair bullshit that's only remembered well because muh music and muh swappable characters.
Same with Pikmin 2, which is actual pure dogshit, whereas Pikmin 1 is an amazing tightly designed experience.

>>726365068
>game from 2009
>unc core
Is this from the perspective of a 12 year old?

>>726370708
You deserve to be lynched

>>726372258
Zelda, SMB1, CV3, Contra, and Super C are all better than CV1

Pikmin 2 caves are fantastic, the journal entries are a funny and creative touch, and combat and bosses are a massive improvement from 1, it feels almost like q dungeon crawler. Pikmin 1 is a bit basic, too easy, and has buggy Pikmin pathfinding and bugs like the crushing glitch.

>>726371680
That's how you end up without a job. Video games are safe edgy.

>>726372258
>CV3 is unfair bullshit that's only remembered well because muh music and muh swappable characters.
Most Castlevania games are about tone and music. Not really about gameplay. Even then CV3 did improve on CV1 in gameplay. CV1 is still a good game. All the Castlevania games up to Circle of the Moon are (except Adventure 1).

>>726372258
>Pikmin 2, which is actual pure dogshit
Did caves really filter people this hard? Pikmin fans back in the day were in hog heaven with Pikmin 2, it was everything we could have asked for in a sequel. Bigger world, much longer, more challenge, more Pikmin types, better Pikmin controls and manipulation, better combat, better bosses, the extremely fun and atmospheric caves that generated different every time requiring you to actually carefully explore rather than brute force memorize.

It's like Portal 1 to Portal 2, or Zelda 1 to ALTTP.

>>726371651
>fired up celeste
Like I said, kill yourself.

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>>726365068
Thats it

>>726372665
i would say its among the greatest games ever made, definitely in my top 50. and i have played a lot of games.

>>726365630
This is the most retarded statement I've ever read.

>>726368990
>Video games are part of an ongoing cultural conversation.
That conversation has devolved into random grunts and fart noises.

>>726372024
I'm not OP, I'm calling out that tranny who constantly floods threads with his drivel. And no, shitclear is not a term I made up, it's very common among the shmup/arcade crowd

>>726369660
>I'd be a complete pariah if I didn't play every single one of those games.
Hahahaha, what an absolute bitch you are.
>noooo people won't like me if I don't play all the same modern games they do I MUST fit in I MUSTN'T have tastes of my own! And YOU'RE wrong for doing it differently!
Like I'll agree there's a social element to gaming but you are just pathetic.

>>726372967
post a video of you putting a gun in your mouth. no one wants you to live, and we would all get extreme joy watching you die.

>>726370076
>They're FoTM releases
This is all you play. Flavor of the month is your entire personality.

>>726373157
Individuality is verboten in the corporate hivemind.

>zoomer
>using the word unc
It’s funny watching zoomers age out of relevance in real time and they don’t even realize it yet

>>726373042
Its pretty clearly you dude

>>726368990
>why would you ever read an older book like ulysses when you could read a recently released book from chuck tingle?
>why would you ever watch an older film like metropolis when you could watch a recently released movie like the snow white remake?
>why would you ever listen stravinsky when you could listen to some recently released excision song?
i am not limiting my consumption of art to just what has been released this instant. even with the argument that works of art are part of "an ongoing cultural conversation", ongoing conversations will always reference and harken back to earlier parts of the conversation. if i do not have a wider understanding of the full conversation, how am i supposed to properly participate in that conversation? by consuming older art, i can observe how we have evolved since that art came out and how the ongoing conversation has developed.

>>726373324
>It’s funny watching zoomers age out of relevance in real time and they don’t even realize it yet
And gravitating to "Unc" media because the things their generation got are shit, but they're too afraid to admit it so they hide behind a layer of irony

>>726373261
The amount of people that are as afraid of individuality as this faggot, and as irredeemably retarded and devoid of spark as this faggot, depresses me.

>>726373613
Literary fiction is static as a genre. Games are constantly evolving.

>>726374135
>Games are constantly evolving.
The last big evolution in games was in the mid 2000s. Games are actually stagnating into movie/cinematic slop or going back to their roots with pixel/indie games.

>>726374135
>Games are constantly evolving.
No. They're not. They've been stagnant for at least a decade now. The game you are playing at least.
The decent games on your list are the ones that are closely mimicking games from 20 years ago and giving them a new coat of paint.

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>>726374135
do you just enjoy spewing random nonsense for fun or did you seriously think that you made a salient point with that retarded comment?

>>726374282
>TWEWY poster is a retard
It keeps happening

>>726374012
You're free to be a rebel within the constraints set by society. You can argue that certain constraints need to be tightened or relaxed, but you have to explain what it is you want changed and why. Then people try out your ideas in the free market and if they don't work they discard them. Politics, philosophy, and economics go around in a neverending loop.
If you're no longer participating in that loop, you're no longer participating in society.

>>726365068
>unc-core
>no medal of honor
>no gears of war
>no far cry
>no ace combat
>no dead space

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>>726373613
NTA but you're conflating interactive experiences with games. Like there's no video game equivalent of the western canon, you won't benefit from starting with the greeks. A game is either good or it isn't. And a lot of new games tend to be better than old ones. I wouldn't listen to anyone who only plays old games, because they're probably a newfag that is still "catching up" needlessly. Its worthless to me to talk to someone who is playing something I played 20 years ago. The zoomer playing a game I haven't played is infinitely more valuable, from my standpoint. I simply don't care about the stupid things you guys have to say about old games.

>>726374267
>>726374273
>>726374282
We can have an endless discussion on where games are headed and why and where it should be headed instead. We can't have the same conversations about literary fiction. It's a dead genre where the best you can do is enjoy the best from the past - the Western Canon or whatever you want to call it. Video games are just getting started. Most of what will eventually be seen as the best games in history haven't even appeared yet. What's the video game version of the Iliad?

>>726365068
They're good games, yes.
I did read the thread but I can imagine the sperging over these "never being good" already

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>>726374702
>And a lot of new games tend to be better than old ones.
Objectively untrue.

>>726365068
Your undeveloped, permanently deformed zoomer brain would never be able to comprehend these games anyway. Go play your live service slops and grind your dailys

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>>726374750
you are among the biggest pseud's /v/ has ever seen, holy fucking shit. kill yourself.

>>726374838
Whats the point of posting something you credit fed for 2 minutes and then moved onto the next rom? Its obvious what people like you are all about. Threads like these have ZERO value to actual *real* "boomers". Discuss new games, the same old discussions that get recycled every day and get worse and worse each time over the course of 2 decades is not interesting.

>>726374972
>the twewy tard is posting KH now
You have never made a single intelligent post.

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>>726375009
>Whats the point of posting something you credit fed for 2 minutes and then moved onto the next rom?
I have a higher score than you'll ever have at this game, troon.

>>726375068
That's not a good score at all lol

>>726375098
Post yours. Default settings by the way, not easy mode like some faggots do.

>>726372259
i was born in 1996, I'm 29 and even i get called an UNC. They think im ancient because I grew up playing super mario sunshine and fucking pikmin 2, and harvest moon a wonderful life.

>>726375123
>play a game you don't want to play
No? If you want to compete over score play a new game.

>>726375206
Of course you get called unc, you aren't young, anyone over 24+ is a boomer. You should have 3+ kids by now. Fucking manchildren.

>>726375235
You're not even a real gamer if you don't want to play Crazy Taxi.

>>726375326
I'm 40 years old, I hated that trash even as a kid.

>>726365068
Yes. Vastly different genres. And games/gameplay that you will never find in a modern game today. A good example is contra being annoying. Red Alert II being too based.
And games unapologitecally appealing to people you refer to as coomers today by titles like Bayoneta.
Ultima is an experience in itself, but you must love games approaching true RPG's with a high degree on freedom in them to play it.
Some of the series/titles in your picture are overrated, yes.
Demon Souls, Resident Evil, Mario sequels, etc, are all notorious for being garbage shite games that any true gamer tm must avoid at all cost.

>>726375349
Genuinely you have zero taste if you can't see how Crazy Taxi has one of the highest skill ceilings in gaming history.

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>>726375050
yeah, i'm not trusting a massive pseud's ability to deduce what constitutes as "an intelligent post".

>>726375648
>the awful squareshit continues

>>726365068
>unc unc unc
Did "boomer" go out of fashion already?

>>726374750
Video games are "literary fiction", dumbass. Especially these days when so many of them want to be visual novels/movie games. Books being shit isn't because there's no way for someone to do anything original. But because publishers are icing out talent.

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>>726375704
>mfw the gay pedophile thinks i give a shit what he considers intelligent

>>726374750
>What's the video game version of the Iliad?
There isn't one. Just like there isn't a book equivalent of Back to the Future or Castle in the Sky. Books and visual media are completely different mediums and the good ones make use of the unique things each medium does.

>>726365068
Damn actually this is a pretty decent line up for bait.
At least I think its bait.

>>726365068
Pretty good selection.
I would probably add No one lives forever, Planescape Torment, and Thief The Dark Project (+Black Parade fab campaign).
Maybe also some pointn click, like Monkey Island 3 and DOTT.

>>726375810
Social media cut out the demand for books.

>>726374750
>What's the video game version of the Iliad?
what parameters are you interested in?
Counter-Strike, Diablo, Doom, Minecraft, GTA, and so on, are examples of videogames literally everybody has heard of. Your grandma knows what Minecraft is.
There are current equivalents of all of the books.

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>>726375904
don't bother even trying to reason with that idiot. he quite literally has a tenuous grasp on reality. he's a near-40 manchild and gay pedophile who feigns superiority over other NEETs on this board almost 24/7 because he believes he knows some "objective truth" about game design that makes his taste the only one worth anything. he will frequently post long diatribes about how everyone else is retarded and use such a tangled mess of faulty logic and false assumptions that it is basically a gordian knot. unraveling his nonsense isn't worth it because, faggot that he is, he will only either assert that you are a dumbass in response to any amount of pointing out his flawed premises OR ignore you completely as any further engagement would further expose what an absolute ignoramus he is.

>>726375763
nah, unc is just discord trannies trying to force a meme because they know it's awful. boomer is still legitimate

>>726375904
There's a canon for movies. You could easily make a must-watch list for movies and TV shows. It's very, very hard to do that for games because the best games haven't even been released yet. Even the best game this year is going to seem mid in the grand scheme of things.
99% of quality productions in older forms of media are already out there. 99% of quality productions in the newest form of media - video games - aren't on the market yet.

>>726376372
>It's very, very hard to do that for games because the best games haven't even been released yet.
Every game released after 2006 is made for fecaloids.

>>726376430
How does that make sense? Why are you even on this board if you think that's the case? Do you exclusively play retro games?

>>726365068
not really, they're all superseded by newer games
why play half life 2 when you can play alyx?
why play morrowind when you can play skyrim?
why play demons souls when you can play nightreign?
same for baldur's gate, baldur's gate 3 is the best in the franchise
every time its literally the same game but better
story changes maybe, but you can look that up on youtube recap videos in like 2 hours instead of wasting your time not having fun on outdated games

>>726365068
Some of the best games made, easily.

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>>726376476
>Do you exclusively play retro games?
Yeah. ROMhacks of those games too.

>>726375904
>Back to the Future
>Castle in the Sky
seriously, niggers. This trash is what you consider to be the goated movies? Fucking hell you 80iq retards and your incredible takes.
>Books and visual media are completely different mediums
the goal is to tell a story. story must be good. it must be told in a good way. that's it. nothing else matters. in videogames the gameplay matters first and foremost however.
But there are absolutely parallels between goats. If you can't draw one, well, you're an 80iq retard as we have previously established.
> he's a near-40 manchild and gay pedophile who feigns superiority over other NEETs on this board almost 24/7 because he believes he knows some "objective truth" about game design that makes his taste
nta. yet, if you don't even like videogames, what the fuck are you doing on this board? Why are you spouting your braindead diarrhea? Nobody gives a shit, you cum guzzling nigger. commit sudoku nao.

>>726369097
Outside of some stuff like smt, this genre is garbage.

>>726376528
What video games do you think people will still be playing in 2125?

>>726376634
Nobody can accurately predict and not a single person should care.

>>726369097
>no JRPGs
there is no such thing in existence.
>Shit list
shit is inside of your skull, retarded biotrash.

>>726376672
People will still be reading the Iliad in 2125. It has lasting relevance. Which games in particular do you think have that kind of staying power?

>>726376761
minecraft. now kill yourself, imbecile.
t. nta

>>726365068
It's "encore", you dyslexic dimwit!
And yeah, it's "encore", because you want tou always want more.

>>726374467
>If you're no longer participating in that loop, you're no longer participating in society.
The society that you envisage isn't worth participating in.

>>726374750
>We can't have the same conversations about literary fiction. It's a dead genre
So why would you ever read a book when you can just play the latest slop that came out this year? You wouldn't be participating in the conversation, after all.

>>726374750
>We can have an endless discussion on where games are headed and why and where it should be headed instead.
YOU can't, because you are too afraid of the judgement of your peers to play anything but the most recent games regardless of quality. You are completely unequipped to have any meaningful conversation, even if you and your braindead contemporaries fool yourself into thinking that's what you're doing.
You dodged the argument put forward by >>726373613 but he is completely correct.
You don't know what games do right or wrong. You can't compare modern techniques and styles to older techniques and styles.
All you know is empty consumption.

>>726376207
Media and politicians wanting to control people more is what led to the "death" of books. And they didn't actually die. They just weren't as big of a deal as they were in the Victorian/Edwardian period. Books were already declining before the internet and social media took hold.

>>726376954
Most people don't read books after high school. People read books in high school because they're forced to and the smarter kids read more books which is why these books are still relevant. If we stop forcing kids to read literary fictions, it will die out completely.
I used to be really, really into the classics when I was younger but so few people cared as I got older that I had to put more time into the things people cared about to be able to hold a conversation.

>>726374702
>I don't like discussing games I've played, only games I haven't played
Then you're not contributing anything. You're just a spectator in that conversation. You talk about "valuable contribution" but you are simply a parasite.

>>726377179
Newer games incorporate and improve on techniques from older games. That's what makes it an evolving genre.
Name one aspect of gameplay present in older games that's completely absent from games that came out in the last decade.

>>726376528
There is a whole board for retro. It's appropriately full of underage third worlders, too, so you'll feel right at home.

>>726365068
>looking at game box art and wondering if it will be worth playing...
literal boomer ahh moment. why not try one and see for yourself?

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>>726377313
>Then you're not contributing anything.
This may come as a shock to you, but you can play and discuss new games. I already discussed all the old games.... 20 years ago. There is nothing left to be discussed. What do I get out of boring stuff like this >>726376528 lol

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>>726377385
>Name one aspect of gameplay present in older games that's completely absent from games that came out in the last decade.
Fun

>>726377491
>indie platformer blatantly ripping off a classic #9871
Riveting stuff.

>>726377495
Is that fun though? Or are you entirely basing your evaluation of games entirely off presentation and superficial features. You haven't thought about what makes a game good or bad at all. You have nothing interesting to say.

>>726377385
>evolving genre
retard alert.
>>726377491
jesus christ, is the BGM a flatter version of stickerbrush symphony as well?

>>726375009
>Discuss new games, the same old discussions that get recycled every day and get worse and worse each time over the course of 2 decades is not interesting.
You're an idiot for failing to realize that neither new games nor old games exist in a vacuum. Old games are often discussed in the context of new games or new awareness, and new games benefit from being discussed in the context of older games.
If discussing games has social value, then hearing the perspectives of people playing an older game for the first time has value. Hearing the evolving perspective of someone playing for the fifth time has value. Even normies agree that discussing classic media has value, but you are trying to assert, with your incredibly weak arguments, that somehow does not apply to video games.
This is because your argument is not sincere. You are simply trying to appear intellectually superior.
You are not intellectually anything. You are a pseud.

>>726375235
>deflects by saying anon isn't actually engaging with the game
>gets challenged, tells him to play a different game
kek, what a bitch

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>>726377539
Windswept is an excellent platformer made by an australian speedrunner that is profoundly aware of what makes level design tick in old snes platformers, and the result is a version of those games that is fun and challenging for actual adults. Because you can't explain to someone why its fun to play DKC in a complicated way, this game shows what was really appealing underneath all those games that normalfags *couldn't* see, and adds new and interesting spins to it. Normalfags play DKC and just see a basic barebones platformer that looks pretty, they don't get it. This game is about what they can't see.

There is no such thing as pure originality. All great works are built on the backs of their predecessors.

>>726377704
Doesn't work that way, kid.

>>726377734
Oh and here's someone >>726377640 proving
>Normalfags play DKC and just see a basic barebones platformer that looks pretty
Pretty much immediately.

People who praise retro games don't actually play them for real.

>>726377734
It's just another indie ripoff of a better game.

>>726377839
This game is way better than DKC. I'll absolutely die on that hill. And not just marginally, its A LOT better.

>>726365068
Mario bros 3
Link to the past

>>726365068
SOTN and demon's souls.
SOTN doesn't hold as well to the GBA/DS castlevania games, which just are straight upgrades to it, but its still a very good game in its own right and better than many other metroidvanias on the market.
Demon's souls has the most jank of the souls games by far and the obtuse shit, but its still a very good and fun game to play, even if it is a bit obtuse and doesn't handle as well.
absolutely do not play the remake

a lot of the others are only good for their time and not necessarily just good, or are very outdated and if you have played modern games in the same genre will feel like a huge regression.
even then its only 2, maybe 3 more I would say are even worth it anyway

>>726377882
What kind of subhuman prefers the knock-off to the real thing? The glut of 90's mascot platformers inspired by Sonic were more original than this. It's *literally* a complete copycat of a very specific game. Even has the exact same bonus stages, ridiculous.

>>726376372
>video games are an evolving medium so you need to play the most recent ones to have anything worth saying in the "ongoing cultural conversation"
>but you can't define games worth discussing because the good ones aren't out yet
Imagine being so mired in "new = good" that you dismiss the classics we have and instead wait eternally for some hypothetical renaissance that might never come

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>>726378026
>What kind of subhuman prefers the knock-off to the real thing?
https://youtu.be/H7PgWg_i4EY
Oh anon if only you knew the truth

>>726376518
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between bait and genuine retardation, but I fall on the side of bait for this one.
>why play demons souls when you can play nightreign?
kek

>>726377385
>>726377601
>losing all of your shit upon death, but the game is not over
>innovation
>killing children and animals
>based kill in-game enemy communists and nazis and faggots and niggers mechanics
like Red-Alert 2 based. Sexy women and war against communism and brain control.
>good single player campaigns
>2 or 2.5D RTS genre is gone
>opting to kill everybody
>massive amounts of gore in general
that's just off the top of my head.

>>726368990
>Video games are part of an ongoing cultural conversation
Schizoids and autists have the right of it - why should I care about being part of a "cultural conversation?" I just beat Wild Arms and that game's pretty damn good, wouldn't have ever touched it if I were perpetually in need of validation by my peers.

>>726378105
You named exactly one thing related to actual gameplay, a recovery mechanic. Which is a universally hated mechanic in all games.

>>726377734
holy fuck, this guy literally just did a crude copy of DKC2, right down to the aesthetics. this isn't creative at all. i mean, i like DKC2 a lot and this looks competently done, it probably plays fine. but as we are on the discussion of "why would i play old things when i can play new things?" the answer is right here in front of you. you play the old thing and the subsequent things so you get an understanding of what works and what doesn't. it also gives you an idea about which devs are hacks and frauds who just copy the homework of the greats without innovation or iteration so you can avoid them in the future (else you'll just be playing the same great games from 30 years prior with a shittier coat of paint slapped on top). both webms you have shown are ripping off more than just level aesthetics from dkc2. you play the old thing and talk about the old thing exactly to prevent the stagnation of the works within the medium and to understand the continuity of work.

also, saying shit like "there is no vidya canon like there is western canon" vastly misunderstands what "canon" even means. but that is not surprising because you are a pseud who doesn't actually understand a thing, just likes to pretend he is superior because your life is so devoid of meaning or purpose.

>>726376543
>the goal is to tell a story. story must be good. it must be told in a good way. that's it. nothing else matters. in videogames the gameplay matters first and foremost however.
If I take your "nta" at face value (I don't, but whatever) the person you are defending has openly stated that recency and popularity are the only things that matters, nothing else.

>>726378168
Why are you desperately samefagging? Its a much deeper game than any DKC, it built on DKC mechanics. Its like saying every DKC game after the first one is bad. You're just being hysterical.

>>726365068
Max Payne for sure. It just is a great game.

>>726378215
yeah, I'm fucking retarded, because I quoted another post yet didn't link to it.
TL;DR: My post is a mess.

>>726378251
DKC2 built upon the first game in every way. This indie slop is just a 1:1 knock-off of that game.

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>>726378064
>the gay pedo's understanding of reality is completely constructed from random animes references to seminal texts
lmao

>>726376919
Because you worship brainless consumption of new things just because they're new. You have have no idea how to assess value. You have no actual concept of value.

>>726378251
>so desperately samefagging
not only do you not understand what canon means, you don't understand what samefagging is. sad!

>>726377385
>Newer games incorporate and improve on techniques from older games.
You wouldn't know. You simply assume this is the case. You trust this is the case. You have NO way of actually assessing this for yourself.
>Name on aspect
>that's completely absent
>in the last decade
Dishonestly fucking narrow request. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Thanks for proving with such tactics that you have no confidence in your position though.

>>726368990
Based nuanced thinking anon throwing everyone into a tizzy for hours.

>>726377491
>new game
>it's just desperately trying to be an old game, but it's worse
I see why you you're desperate to veto discussion of older games. It's so you can pretend games like this contribute to the gaming landscape and present anything to discuss.

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>>726378392
There isn't more than one person in here as stupid as you are.

This game does not benefit contextually from having played DKC. When you read the western canon, its advisable to start with the greeks, read the bible, etc. because that gives important context as works respond to and build on each other.

This doesn't exist in games of any sort. You don't need to play chaturanga to enjoy chess. In fact, playing that would probably just dampen your enjoyment.

These discussions just suck. People are always trying to make being lazy sound like an intellectual pursuit, but you're really just a shallow fatass.

>>726378774
>This game does not benefit contextually from having played DKC.
Yeah because then you'd know it's just a ripoff of a much better game.

>>726377734
>Because you can't explain to someone why its fun to play DKC
>Normalfags play DKC and just
Sorry, I don't listen to people who want to discuss old games.
Only talk about new games.

>>726378828
Keep spamming the same dumb thing over and over, surely down voting the post will make it irrelevant. You've already lost.

>>726377769
>Doesn't work that way, kid.
Moving the goalposts doesn't work when you get caught doing it, no.

>>726378875
>Keep spamming the same dumb thing over and over
Ironic considering I've seen you shill this ripoff in multiple threads now. Letting autistic people watch anime was a mistake.

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>>726365723

>>726378921
You're having a melty.

>>726378950
Classic case of projection.

>>726378158
>Which is a universally hated mechanic in all games.
It isn't, but how would you know? You don't discuss old games. You don't experienced old games. You only allow yourself to play what came out this year.

>>726378976
I didn't post the same exact reply 4+ times in a panicked rage.

>>726379025
Neither did I. You however did shill the most blatant indie knock-off to ever exist multiple times now.

>>726379003
>It isn't
Do you know what gradius syndrome is? Recovery causes all sorts of problems because games have to be balanced around the player potentially losing everything at any point in time or their run is basically over.

>>726365068
Fellow zoomer here
Definitely try Hitman, Red Alert, Resident evil 4, Morrowind and Vampire The Masquerade

>>726365068
Banjo is pure joy, I love it
t. zoomer who grew up with a hand-me-down N64

>>726377385
>>726378485
>in the last decade
I misspoke, that part isn't dishonestly narrow. That part is dishonestly broad.

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>>726379114
>Do you know what gradius syndrome is?
No? I can't discuss older games.
That mechanic isn't present in newer games so that knowledge isn't valuable.

>>726365068
Silent Hill isn't unc-core, it's more for effeminate 19 year old video essayists. Doesn't mean it isn't good of course.

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>>726379414
So you're an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about and is just gunna pout and samefag because he doesn't understand the games he praises. The simplest solution was to just add a high score value to lives, rather than attach recovery to them, and in games with out score lives have gone the way of the dinosaur. You can make a platformer a lot more challenging, and a lot more interesting, by doing away with lives. Its a matter of precision versus endurance.

I've already discussed all this to death 2 decades ago. Its boring. You have nothing interesting to bring to the table.

>>726379414
this post killed my suspension of disbelief, i can't pretend it's not bait anymore so it's not fun now.

>>726379590
>I've already discussed all this to death 2 decades ago.
This LARP never works when you obviously only showed up in the past few months.

>>726379670
Keep coping.

>>726379798
Why would I be the one coping? You've managed to routinely humiliate yourself in every thread you post in for months now.

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>>726365068
>no doom

>>726379869
This is the end game of all old good new bad newfags. No interesting thoughs, no knowledge, just the same dumb threads every day with tons of tantrums and cry bullying when they don't get their way. Anyone who listens to you is wasting their time and will be worse off for it.

>>726380021
OP's pic is about unc core, not grandpa core

>>726380021
Retro tards don't play community wads so they don't know what doom is about. That would require a genuine interest.

>>726380047
>Anyone who listens to you is wasting their time and will be worse off for it.
I can say with 100% confidence that not a single person has taken anything you say seriously. You expose yourself a pedophile tranny poser to readily.

>>726365068
>Banjo
No
>Super Metroid
Only with the Redux mod
>Castlevania 3
Only the Japanese version
>Super Monkey Ball
Yes
>SotN
Yes
>Red Alert 2
Yes
>Cave Story
Yes
>DKC2
Yes
>Half-Life 2
Yes
>Vampire the Masquerade
With mods, yes
>Katamari
Yes
>Hitman
No
>Ico
No
>Pikmin 2
No
>Morrowind
No
>Ninja Gaiden Black
Yes
>Max Payne
Yes
>Star Fox 64
Yes
>Resident Evil 4
Yes
>Sin and Punishment
Yes
>Bayonetta
Yes
>Metal Slug
Yes
>Silent Hill
Yes
>Demon's Souls
Yes
>Baldur's Gate 2
No
>Link to the Past
Yes
>Resident Evil
Yes
>Deus Ex
Yes
>Splinter Cell
No
>Fallout
No
>Super Mario Bros 3
Yes
>Tomb Raider
Yes
>Jagged Alliance 2
No
>Timesplitters
Yes
>Contra Hard Corps
Only the Japanese version
>Ultima
No

>>726380103
there are older games in pic nigga

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>>726365068
if you've played any of these, even ONCE, you are a casual normie that needs to drop the 'gamer' act
deal with it

>>726380197
Face it. He blew you the fuck out.

>>726380525
Saddest attempt at samefagging in history.

>>726378158
it isn't a discussion, repulsive faggot. killing whoever I want to in a playthrough of a videogame is gameplay.
And also, you've challenged true gamer and not wounded posers such as yourself name some. I did. Get owned and gtfo. Back to troon reddit smelly discord or whatever cancerous hole you accidentally came from.

>>726380518
>normie
Way to out yourself you dumb normalnigger

>>726380568
>t. normie trash
its ok to admit you're a huge whoopin' poser. git gud scrub

>>726365068
the PS1 era Tomb Raider games have always been awful. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.

>>726379590
>So you're an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking
How would I know what I'm talking about? Old games don't need to be discussed. Information from Before Now doesn't need to be known because modern games just incorporate old gameplay anyway.
Gradius Syndrome? That sounds like it came from Before Now. Therefore it doesn't interest me at all.
Now excuse me while I go and grind out some more Black Ops 7 achievements.

>>726380553
>you've challenged true gamer and not wounded posers such as yourself name some
>REDEEM THE RETRO YOU BLOODY BITCH BENCHOD

just go the fuck back instead of having a melty, you loser.

>>726379597
It's not bait, I'm just being deliberately obnoxious as I demonstrate he's destroyed his own argument.

now that all intelligence has left the building and this thread has devolved into nothing more than near 40 year olds (at least one gay pedo among them) shitflinging at each other in the most vapid attempts at claiming to be "true gamers™" (as opposed to the retard they are arguing with, who is a "true poser™"), i shall be leaving. have a shitty night, fuckos.

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>>726368990
I, personally, think it's good idea to occasionally play ancient ass games to see how far we've come with game series or genres. It really makes you appreciate the improvements that happened since, when they actually happen, that is.

>>726380825
Moderately retarded take but infinitely less retarded than the anon you're responding to

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>>726365068
>unc-core
>actually a list of top tier games

I kinda feel bad for zoomers sometimes. The little shits have zero self awareness

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>>726365068
You guys like to make fun of zoomers, but they arent the ones ruining the industry.
Milenials are the ones that turned every entertainment media they touched into shit.

>>726380987
I like to make fun of zoomers but I don't blame them for ruining the industry. They probably have a higher proportion of brainrotted slop-eaters than millennials do, but there are so many millennials who are like that that there's no value in pointing fingers.

>>726379590
>completely disappears when his argument gets destroyed
Amazing

>>726377491
>This may come as a shock to you, but you can play and discuss new games.
Sure, but your whole attitude is parasitic.
You have 20 years of games knowledge that you have no interest in discussing. You frame discussion entirely in terms of what is valuable to you. It's fine for someone to feed you information about a game you haven't played, but discussing a game that you've played and they haven't is "worthless" to you.
You are a parasite.

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>>726365068
i'm surprised Bayonetta is on there but not DMC

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The thing that most jaded incel uncs itt refuse to undestand is that when you first approach gaming as a kid it doesn't matter if it's silent hill or fortnite, you will have a lot of fun due to novelty it and from there it's a downhill road since nothing will hit like it.
There's also the fact that once you play for instance gta5 you simply won't come back to play gta sa/vice city or even 4, modern games are full of QoL features and all the shit people take for granted, you don't have to catch up on anything, you live in the present and you may witness the moment when gta6 will drop, you are getting an authetnic experience and you will have something to talk about (instead of learning about that culture from a wikipedia page of youtubers that weren't even alive back then).
You can go ahead and play 5th or 6th gen games if you wanted to check something out of curiosity but you simply had to be there to understand what made it special for people at that time, just like angry fossil uncs having a hard time to understand why some kid playing fortnite with friends after school is having the time of his life.

>>726368990
This. Consume anime, movies, games and manga that's actually relevant to your period of time, anything else is anachronistic, it's like in the current meme of people longing and having nostalgia for some random time when they weren't even alive (synthwave for instance in music) when their only exposure to that thing has been through internet memes and wikipedia articles which are obviously a small subverted part of the real thing.

>>726382454
"QoL" just means engoyification for lesser human cattle.

>>726382454
>There's also the fact that once you play for instance gta5 you simply won't come back to play gta sa/vice city
Both are better.
QoL features mean nothing compared to gameplay and design.
>you live in the present and you may witness the moment when gta6 will drop
This is the saddest thing I have read in a while.
>you simply had to be there to understand what made it special for people at that time
This isn't entirely incorrect, but that doesn't mean there's no value in playing them, in terms of historical knowledge or just because they're good fucking games.
>Consume anime, movies, games and manga that's actually relevant to your period of time, anything else is anachronistic
The things you think are "relevant" are almost all shit though, so now what?
Maybe you'd have an argument if games had actually improved over the years. I know if they had, I'd play modern games much more than I do.
People like me WISH new games were good. I don't like that the industry has become what it has. Even if you have enough genuinely great games to last your lifetime, there is a certain existential sadness that comes from the knowledge that you're almost exclusively embracing the past.
But I can't shut my eyes against reality like you can. I'm not interested in pretending that the products shat out by the modern market are in any way good. They're not. So I play what is good instead.

>>726382454
>The thing that most jaded incel uncs itt refuse to undestand is that when you first approach gaming as a kid it doesn't matter if it's silent hill or fortnite
it does. shite games have always been shite. and you recognized shite as a kid too. simple as.
>you will have a lot of fun due to novelty it and from there it's a downhill road since nothing will hit like it.
no, you don't understant. you have never experienced the evolution of videogames, mostly because you yourself are a retard. So all of the memes are true. It was the exact opposite for people gaming since 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. Gaming kept topping itself with not only new graphics, but risk taking, and innovative gameplay. Don't get it wrong, there was plenty of utter shite too, just liek there is today. But the process of evolution of videogames was and I'd argue even still is there. Also it's mostly graphics nowadays and graphics do not matter. gameplay does first.
>here's also the fact that once you play for instance gta5 you simply won't come back to play gta sa/vice city or even 4
that's just a casual retard normie take. Just one example of many: I've replayed Warcraft II again after finishing Warcraft III because games are fun.
I still play old videogames, they're great.
You simply missed out on the entire evolution and branching out of gamelpay, so you don't even know/understand what you're missing. You think that
>Fortnite
is the ultimate game. simply because you're retarded. Even casual garbage like World of Warcraft has indeed presented a player with vastly different personal varied experience of the game depending on the chosen class in the first two expansions: Hunter played nothing like a mage nothing like a warrior did. Same game. All fluid gameplay.
>You can go ahead and play 5th or 6th gen games
this bullshit doesn't exist. And even if did, what the fuck would you ever know about it? Hm.
TL;DR: You retarded fuckers.

>>726365068
this is actually a super strong list full of classics that cover a wide range of genres

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>>726365068
Yup, most of those are superb!
Lemme break it down for ya:

>Banjo-Kazooie
Yup. Great, definitive Collectathon. In some ways even better than SM64.
>Super Metroid
If you've ever wondered where the term "Metroidvania" comes from, this is the must-play game. Some might not enjoy the exploration, problem-solving heavy gameplay, that requires backtracking and such, but if it's your cup of tea, SM is a must-play.

>Dracula's Curse
Kinda same as above, although many would argue that the NES era Castlevanias are a bit outdated. I'd say that something like SotN on PS1 is a better starting point.

>Monkey ball
Never really cared for it, but if you want a fun little arcade game to spend time with, why not.

>SotN
Already mentioned this, but yeah - if you're into shit like Hollow Knight and such, SotN is the granddaddy of all them.

>Red Alert 2
Kickass game! Awesome vibes and gameplay. I'd play RA1 first though.

>Cave Story
Never played it.

>DKC2
Easily one of the best 2D platformers ever made, and the best DK game. Must play!

>HL2
Still a brilliant gaming masterpiece. But do yourself a favor, and play the original HL1 first. And its Expansion Packs! You'll thank me later.
And afterwards, both HL1 and 2 have shittons of HUGE overhaul mods to try out. Talking about brand new games made with their engines.

>VTMB
Superb CRPG / Immersim experience, with vamps and that Y2K gritty feel.

>Katamari
Again, not really my cup of tea, but a fun little Arcade romp.

>Hitman
If you like sandbox stealthan, then yeah - Hitman games are a must try.

>Ico
Atmosphere and cinematography masterclass, alongside with its soft-sequel, Shadow Of Colossus.

>Pikmin 2
Again, not my stuff really, but mite b fun.

>Morrowind
IMO the definitive Elder Scrolls game. Actual role-playing game, that requires you to pay attention and plan ahead, instead of following "quest markers" and watch numbers go up.

...to be continued in part 2!

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>>726383721
...Part #2:

>Ninja Gaiden
If you're tired of rollan-on-floor Soulsborne slop, this might be the cure for you.

>Max Payne
Awesome to the Max! Great Film Noir thriller x Matrix slomo 3rd person shooter. Also has surprisingly big modding community.

>Starfox 64
Never was really into shoot'em ups, and the 3D ones kinda lack the depth and complexity of 2D games.

>RE4
Still one of the greatest games of all time, with fucktons of replay value. Nowadays, it's kinda seen as one of the OG "black sheep" of the franchise, as it replaced the slow-burn survival horror gameplay with more arcadey action... but it still has enough RE DNA to be entertaining. And it's just sooo much fun! I'd still start by playing the OG RE1-3 first.
>??
What even is that?

>Bayonetta
DMC, but with a hot Goth mommy. Yay or nay?

>Metal Slug
Arcade classic. Fun with friends too. Superb pixel art.

>Silent Hill
The best SH game, and the first real rival of Resident Evil. Amazing atmosphere and OST, truly terrifying, story full of mindfuck, and truckloads of replay value. One of my annual replay games.

>Demon's Souls
Still the greatest Soulsborne game. More tacticle, weight and tactical than the later games, that devolved into run & roll slop.

>BG2
D&D, but on your computer. If that does not tell you anything... you'll be in for a big surprise.

>Zelda: LTTP
IMO the most overrated Zelda game by far. Out of the 2D games, Link's Awakening beats it any day, and the first 3D game, Ocarina Of Time, is still THE greatest video game of all time.

>RE1
Criminally underrated masterpiece. Still perhaps the best RE game if you ask me. Plays like a puzzle-box horror adventure game, rather than a "zombie shooter". And before you ask: no, the 2002 REmake 1 is NOT a replacement of the 1996 OG, but rather the "NG++" remix made for the veteran RE fans.

...tbc in part 3!

Here's the Silent Hill PC Guide pic + Pastebin with all the links to the games and mods:
https://pastebin.com/uf5XhyXz

>>726365068
>Essential Unc-core
>first game is Banjo
stopped reading there. Banjo was never good.

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>>726383792
Finally, part 3:

>Deus Ex
The quintessential Immersim cyberpunk game. Shittons of different ways to play it, insane levels of interaction. It'll probably filter modern console players right off the bat though. Personally, I prefer System Shock 2 over DE.

>SC: Chaos Theory
Arguably the best Splinter Cell game, which are some of the top-tier stealth games. I'd play the OG trilogy in release order.

>Fallout 1
My favorite of the bunch. A proper, gritty, actually kinda spooky and depressing post-apocalyptic CRPG. And I mean a ROLE-playing game, not a "lol miniguns & power armors!" shoot'em up that the franchise devolved into.

>SMB3
My 2nd favorite 2D platformer, right after the DKC2. Very varied world selection, lots of secrets, and tons of play time. Almost pixel perfect controls and movement.

>TR1
Still the best Tomb Raider. Again, newbs might get filtered by the weighty moves and "parkour", but that's exactly what people love about the OG, pre-Uncharted era TR games.

>JA2
THE ultimate /k/ simulator and strategy game. If you don't like guns and tactical gameplay, avoid it.

>TimeSplitters 2
Spiritual successor to the Goldeneye 007 and Perfect Dark on the N64, but with a comical time travel theme. Damn much fun on its own, but then you got the MP modes and MAP CREATOR on top!

>Contra
I only played the NES original. If you like ShootEm Ups, you'll get enjoyment out of these.

>Ultima
The quintessential CRPG series. Hard to say which one would be the fan favorite.

>>726369097
Yeah because JRPGs suck ass.

>>726383721
Bless you for giving him a genuine, high effort response while the rest of us have been shitflinging at each other.
You truly are a valuable person.

>>726383792
It says Sin and Punishment right there on the box

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>>726383912
Thanks bruv!

>>726383948
>Sin and Punishment
Okay, now I see it. I initially only saw the fuck-huge Kanji.
Never played it, sorry.

>>726383721
>>Dracula's Curse
>Kinda same as [Super Metroid]
>NES era Castlevanias are a bit outdated
>I'd say that something like SotN on PS1 is a better starting point
All 3 of these sentences are wrong. No way you actually played the game. Lmao shut the fuck up retard

>>726384039
lol why such an extreme tone?
I indeed have played most of the stuff I mention.

You'd be hard pressed to recommend something like C1 over any of the later entries. Not to say they'd be "bad", but rather that a total noob might have hard time seeing the big appeal.

>>726382960
>Both are better.
That's your personal, subjective opinion
>compared to gameplay and design.
And gta5 by that metric is simply a better game hence why people moved on and stuck with it
>This is the saddest thing
Well then be a sad fag, I don't care, but that's how reality works, you should try to interact with it once in a while
>there's no value in playing them,
And I didn't say that, it's not like some ancient book or painting should be thrown into a fire just because time has passed, what I'm saying is that in a single console generation there are more games being released that you could ever play, nobody is ever going to beat the entire ps1/ps2 library and so on, it's all about the few classics that made it up to this point in terms of relevance and popularity, there's no point in playing catch up if you have amazing modern games (note: taste is subjective, not whatever you came up with in your head, hence why ""shit"" games are selling millions of copies, not to mention the amount of different people with different interests that are playing video games today)
>hings you think are "relevant" are almost all shit
Yep, here we go. I can easily name a couple modern movies/games that came out recently and that I enjoyed but you will dismiss them, because as I said it's mostly subjective and if in the gorillions of pieces of media that come out every month you can't find something that appeals to you then it's only a (You) problem, not a problem of the industry and everyone else.

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>>726382454
>Consume anime, movies, games and manga that's actually relevant to your period of time, anything else is anachronistic
> it's like in the current meme of people longing and having nostalgia for some random time when they weren't even alive
FORGET THE PAST. EAT THE BUGS. OBEY. OBEY. OBEY.
how many times do you have to be told by different philosophers, artists, politicians, teachers, etc. that you lose control of your future when you forget the past? how does a movie like network, dr strangelove, or videodrome stop being relevant? what is "my period of time"? how long are "periods of time", what is the delineation? is it a period of 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? 40 years? is it only this year? have we always been at war with oceania?

>>726382960
>if games had actually improved
They quite literally did but that's a can of worms we won't be opening.
>I'd play modern games
You are shitposting on 4chan instead of doing the very same thing you preach.
>People like me WISH new games were good
Or you are clinging to the past that you know you will never get ever again just to have something to get mad about.
>I don't like that the industry has become what it has.
And that's fine, but don't project your opinions on everyone else.
>But I can't shut my eyes against reality like you can
I'm not blindly consuming the latest AAA trash. I only interact with whatever appeals to me and don't bother with things that don't. I don't gossip about some random game just because I don't like it and didn't even play it just like I'm not influenced by a bunch of irrelevant online retards screaming at the top of their lungs how another $PRODUCT is superior/inferior, I just don't care. I may have simpler taste in things so it might be easier to appeal to me while you are looking for something specific that the industry can't deliver, and that's fine as I said, as long as you don't project your views on every else which is fucking retarded.

>>726365068
The list is pretty good, but I'd like to add DMC1 and replace it with Bayonetta- a game which to this days still fits with todays reflexive, sharp-minded esports loving kids

>>726383046
>shite games have always been shite. and you recognized shite as a kid too
No matter how "shit" by whatever random definition the game is, when it's your first exposure to the medium it won't matter
>you have never experienced the evolution of videogames
And? Do I have to experience something that was in place 25 years ago to enjoy games? What retarded logic is that, the fact that we hit a ceiling in terms of gameplay and graphical fidelity was a question of "when" not "if", now that we are at the point where we are devs can focus on other things such as interactivity and all that, not only making games look pretty but also filling them with shit to do.
>but risk taking, and innovative gameplay.
Can't risk much when games cost $300 million+ a pop
>that's just a casual retard normie take
So like, 99% of the relevant gamer userbase? Words like casual and normie have no meaning.
>I've replayed Warcraft II again after finishing Warcraft III because games are fun.
And I never said old games can't be fun or that you can't play them for some reason
>I still play old videogames, they're great.
Good for you.
>You simply missed out on the entire evolution and branching out of gamelpay
But that's what you think, if you witnessed and actually were there during said "evolution" then, again, good for you, that's something worth sharing and talking about from a first hand experience. However it's pointless when you talk to me about it if I wasn't even alive at that time, how could I ever miss on something in that case. What I didn't miss out on is what I have at my disposal right now, the good and the bad. And just like silent hill is still remembered so will be some random AAA game that you called shit in 20 years from now.
>is the ultimate game
You keep saying I'm retarded yet it's like the 2394872394th case of you putting words in my mouth that I never said. You are some old angry dude yelling at the sky about irrelevant topics.

>>726365630
Even BG1 is decently good as a low level dungeon crawling game. Pretty comfy. BG2 on the other hand is a lot better in most aspects, although I didn't like the high level nature of it.

>>726365068
The fuck is unc-core?

>>726365068
yeah just play all of them

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>>726368990
I don't care when a game came out or what games it ripped off or how much the magazines praised it
I play a game and
1. I like it: it's good
2. I don't: it's shit

>>726384575
unc is black slang for uncle that zoomers and gen alpha have adopted. so if you're of those generations, this is a list of classic games your uncle probably enjoyed growing up.

>>726384240
NES Castlevanias are not like Metroid in the slightest, and that right there outs you as having not played them.
Also Castlevania 1 is one of the first games I ever emulated as a child and I got the appeal instantly. The gameplay has slow, high-commitment animations and high punishment for screwing up. This gameplay style is universal and still relevant to this day. Hell, Dark Souls 1 is the exact same way.

So if Castlevania 1 filters you then it's not because of the gameplay, instead it's because of some braindead, zoomoid prejudice against NES games. If you have that prejudice then it's simply your problem that you need to fix about yourself and I refuse to entertain it as a valid opinion.

>>726384436
FORGET THE PAST. EAT THE BUGS. OBEY. OBEY. OBEY.
Again I literally didn't say this but you cling to whatever sentence you wish to attack (without reading the rest) making a retarded argument. And bugs are actually good for you chud.
>how many times do you have to be told by different philosophers, artists, politicians, teachers, etc. that you lose control of your future when you forget the past?
What that has to do with anything? Silent hill is NOT my past, how thick do you have to be to still not get it, you better watch to not lose it yourself because it's irrelevant and meaningless to me. Check out again the attached image, if you were alive when it dropped then, again, good for you, but it's retarded to assume that just because you and I play video games we somehow should share the same experience.
how does a movie like network, dr strangelove, or videodrome stop being relevant?
Just like countless books, plays, movies, songs and games have faded into obscurity over time? A ps1 or ps2 has a library of thousands of games yet it's always the same 5-10 games people remember. Not everything should be carried on forever.
>what is "my period of time"?
Then one you are living in right now, you are the only person responsible of your choices and that includes consuming and interacting with things.
>how long are "periods of time"
Ideally they put your body in the grave (or whatever).

>>726365068
yes

>>726384382
>That's your personal, subjective opinion
And "GTA V is better" isn't?
>And gta5 by that metric is simply a better game hence why people moved on and stuck with it
It has worse gameplay though. People "moved on" and stuck with it because it's more recent.
>there's no point in playing catch up
It's odd that you see it as doing this. Some people are backlog autists about it but it's not inherently a chore. They're good games that are worth playing.
>if you have amazing modern games
These are incredibly rare.
>taste is subjective, not whatever you came up with in your head, hence why ""shit"" games are selling millions of copies
Taste is subjective but there are objective elements that inform it. Your mistake is assuming that people are buying games because they're good, rather than because they're popular and recent. The idiot earlier in the thread, who may or may not be you, didn't even consider quality, just said he was playing the most recent games so he wouldn't be a social pariah.
>I can find some games that I like so therefore there isn't observable stagnation and other problems within the industry
I don't even know what to say to this.

>>726384741
>NES Castlevanias are not like Metroid in the slightest,
And I never claimed that. ESL or just internet brainrot much?

>Also Castlevania 1 is one of the first games I ever emulated as a child
Good for you! I played it on the real hardware back in the day.
It does not change the fact that it's a bit rough and simplistic compared to THE heavy hitter games the GENRE is known for.

It's a bit like putting a newbie play the 1992 Alone In The Dark as their very first survival-horror; yeah, SOME people may "get it" and love it, but I dare to say that most folks would get filtered by it within a minute.

>>726384502
>when it's your first exposure to the medium it won't matter
there is more than one videogame, retard. Always has been hundreds and now thousands, tens of thousands of them.
>And? Do I have to experience something that was in place 25 years ago to enjoy games?
No. Yes, you have to experience the evolution in order to have the appreciation for what the video games have achieved. You can't do that.
>wyh
Because you're playing one of the multiplayer modes from 40 years ago like a drooling retarded religious fanatic you are. You're no in no way better than wasted his life on bullshit WoW or FFXIV cultist. In fact, you might be worse.
>What retarded logic is that, the fact that we hit a ceiling in terms of gameplay and graphical fidelity was a question of "when" not "if"
But games did not. Absolutely did not. Only retards think that. I guess it all fits together rather nicely, because braindead dick sucking shit eating consooomers never create anything.
>devs can focus on other things such as interactivity and all that
turn based moviegames like elden ring or ff or e33 are literally the most braindead type of interactive media for the lowest of the low of the imbeciles.
>filling them with shit to do.
Minecraft is filled with shit to do. It scares the shit out of tards, for some reason. /s.
>Can't risk much when games cost $300 million+ a pop
Industry problem, retard problem. maybe your probem. not a gaming problem. not a medium problem.
>So like, 99% of the relevant gamer userbase?
mobile gamers. mobile are 99% relevant money making userbase. idiot.
>And just like silent hill is still remembered so will be some random AAA game that you called shit in 20 years from now.
won't. silent hill is dogshit.
>You keep saying I'm retarded
because you are.
>You are some old angry dude yelling at the sky about irrelevant topics.
I love ad hom. Especially coming from drooling retards who haven't the slightest.
TL;DR: You're wrong, because it's the other way around.

>>726382454
>you simply had to be there to understand what made it special for people at that time

I played Ocarina of Time for the first time about two years ago and I completely understood the glory of it. Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean everyone is.

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>>726365068
I really hope that, just like with the term goyslop, for the term uncslop to also spreads here and elsewhere. Even though I’m a ’96 zillennial who grew up with old school stuff like pirated NES games and the first two PlayStations (yeah, I grew up poor), with my current stance of preaching and practicing honesty, I’ve finally admitted something, and that's that more than 90% of old games are basically unclop, propped up mostly by rose-tinted nostalgia boomers in their 30s whose gaming skills never evolved. Meanwhile, modern players grew up with FromSoftware titles and esports-level standards, which pushed the skill ceiling way higher than the greasy boomers can even acquire

Embrace modernism... and let us finally reject slow paced barebones boomerism

>>726384927
In this post >>726383721 you said "kinda same as above" in reference to Super Metroid. I don't know what the fuck you were thinking but Castlevania 3 is not a metroidvania by any stretch of the imagination. They're not the same "genre" you retard. Even most Castlevania fans choose to rank classicvanias and metroidvanias separately because they're that different. Recommending SotN over classicvanias as a whole is nonsense, not to mention that SotN is itself a direct callback to Castlevania 3.
>most folks
Holy Redditspeak. You need to go back.

>>726365630
Wut

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>>726382454
I find it kinda sad how the average mainstream-slop cocksucker always think that just because some old classic is not "current" no more, it cannot be discovered and enjoyed by the younger generation.
It's like saying that I should not like David Bowie or the Queen, because I wasn't even born when they were still touring, so I should just listen to TikTok skibiddy toilet and Lava Chicken brainrot tunes.

From what I've seen the past few years, more and more GenZ and A kids are homing in towards "older games" now, and being positively surprised by them, because the modern sludge simply sucks ass.
The way everything is so streamlined, controlled and "standardized" also means that people who do not care for your typical AAA e-sports shit / cinematic, disposable movie games / mobile crap not only won't get their fix from the contemporary releases, but may also grow up not even KNOWING of the vast seas of different genres and play styles out there. I've met people half my age that literally can only name drop Minecraft, Fortnite and Roblox... with one or two maybe knowing Mario "from Mario Kart", if they got Switch at home.

>>726384753
>I literally didn't say this
>(without reading the rest)
it's called hyperbole, retard. i read everything, understood the basic gestalt, and paraphrased and exaggerated the point you made. you said that things that aren't "from your time" should be ignored. this is equivalent to saying "forget the past", which is what tyrants want you to do.
>And bugs are actually good for you chud.
not if i have allergies.
>Silent hill is NOT my past,
what do you mean by "my" past? what is with your retarded, solipsistic worldview? silent hill was released in THE past. not MY past, not YOUR past, THE past. and THE past resulted in the present. understanding the trajectory of past and present helps you understand the future. the present has silent hill f, should the rest of silent hill be ignored because it is the past? this argument is retarded.
>Just like countless books, plays, movies, songs and games have faded into obscurity over time?
not an answer to the question. "things get forgotten sometimes" is not answer. the messages contained within network, dr strangelove, and videodrome ARE all relevant still because they were incredible prescient films.
>A ps1 or ps2 has a library of thousands of games yet it's always the same 5-10 games people remember.
there are loads of games that people remember and talk about. there's more than 10 JRPGs alone on PS1 that people love to talk about. but even in the present, there are more games than ever being released. and yet, it is always the same handful of games that everyone always talks about. this is a problem with how we communicate and the algorithmic nature of conversation these days, not with the quality of the games. it seems weird to actively WANT everything forgotten about. unless of course you have a vested interest in only new things being consumed (monetarily or culturally). the people who have that kind of interest are tyrants or are on the side of tyrants.

>>726374750
We do have the video game version of the illiad and it's ironically, franchises that were made in the 80s/90s that are still continuing on today. Hell, your whole dumbass point is about how only new things matter, but then in the same breath you're like "hurr what's the video game equivalent of this hundreds of years old story??"

What a fucking retard

>>726384753
>you are the only person responsible of your choices and that includes consuming and interacting with things.
good, i will interact with and consume older media. thank you very much, now fuck off.

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>>726365068
if you play any live service, MOBA, gacha or profit-driven AAA game stop whatever the fuck you are doing and play these games instead.
and i say this as a zoomer myself. i've seen FOMO trends come and go and almost nothing gets remembered long term because trends die out as streamers (main enjoyment us zoomers tend to have) move on to the next game.

you might not like all of them, but atleast give them a shot and you'll see how innovative and fun these games are. you are just following the slop cattle instead of finding legitimate enjoyment not ruined by big companies making profit of your addictions. the older you get, the more you appreciate how good gaming used to be.
and no pirating does not destroy your PC or phone if you know what you're doing. just look for romsets, i'm not dripfeeding you the rest

>>726385407
time only moves forward. there will be a point in the future where elden ring is seen as an unc game by COVID babies when they grow up.

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>>726385454
>In this post >>726383721(You) you said "kinda same as above" in reference to Super Metroid. I don't know what the fuck you were thinking but Castlevania 3 is not a metroidvania by any stretch of the imagination

Alright wise guy, lemme break it out for you:

>"Same as above"
...refers to the "If you've ever wondered where the term "Metroidvania" comes from" part.

Anyone with half the brains knows that Castlevania and Metroid are not the same, but the weirdass sub-genre known AS "Metroidvania" is essentially a community coined term that mixes bits and pieces OF Metroid and Castlevania.

This is the "Rogue-like / -Lite" thing, all over again.

>Holy Redditspeak!
I recommend thou returneth to your kin, faggot.
I can proudly say that I've never used PIebbit, yet I've been on this sorry site for over 20 years now. If I had wish-granting genie in my hands, I'd throw all of you kids back into 2005, so you would suffer the pre-social media world for a while.

>>726368990
there are games that are 40 years old and more fun than the latest AAA slop

>>726384447
>You are shitposting on 4chan instead of doing the very same thing you preach.
Firstly, I didn't "preach" anything, I said I would play more modern games if they were good. I am not chasing nostalgia. I WANT modern games to be better.
Secondly, it's retarded to infer my behavior from the fact that I'm posting on 4chan right this moment.
>And that's fine, but don't project your opinions on everyone else.
Who am I projecting them onto? Go on, tell me. If you're essentially just telling me not to share my thoughts at all, then by example by shutting the fuck up first.
> I don't gossip about some random game just because I don't like it and didn't even play it just like I'm not influenced by a bunch of irrelevant online retards screaming at the top of their lungs how another $PRODUCT is superior/inferior, I just don't care.
If you think so poorly of discussing games, why are you on /v/ to begin with? Or do you think only positive opinions are valid discussion?

>>726384728
They talk like retarded niggers on purpose and expect people to take them seriously

>>726384753
>but it's retarded to assume that just because you and I play video games we somehow should share the same experience.
You said:
>This. Consume anime, movies, games and manga that's actually relevant to your period of time, anything else is anachronistic
in response to
>Unless you're trying to write a book on video game history, why would you play a game that came out 20 years ago?
And now you're accusing other anons of trying to push everyone towards the same experience.
What a disingenuous rat you are.

>>726386556
Racism isn't cool, man.

>>726365068
Cave Story is kino

>>726386976
>Racism isn't cool, man.
Yes it is.

>>726365068
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>>726387092
Why are boomers like this? Check your calendar and look outside. You're stuck in the 1950s.

>>726386976
Neither is talking like an illiterate subhuman.

>>726378097
>why play demons souls when you can play nightreign?
i literally struggle to play elden ring though, because nightreign's movement is so much better
same for morrowind, you could learn all the old retarded systems; or just look up the story on youtube, while you actually have fun in skyrim
modern games are better for fun, in all ways

>>726365068
Yes but they're not for you, you don't even like video games, otherwise you would've played at least some of them already out of pure interest.

>>726385407
how many 1CCs you have

>>726388051
Anon, relax, the genre you're implying is something I'd remove from the UncSLOP megagenre list

>>726385552
Fair point but their name is just Queen, not the Queen.

>>726377491
Yo, what's the game in your webm?

>>726365068
>RE4
>unc
It's the most zoomer-core game ever made. Every zoomer has it in their top 10. It's like a marker, you can instantly tell someone’s a third world zoomer if they’ve got it in their top 10.

>>726387767
>while you actually have fun in Skyrim
No.

>>726387767
Skyrim's gameplay is terrible. It's fun to explore if you like the nord ruins (I do, the whole setting is kino to me) but holy shit the mechanics of the game are incredibly shallow. And the thu'um being retconned into being dragon magic instead of an innate nord power is gay.

>>726387767
You sound like someone that would like arena shooters instead of stat-based RPGs. Maybe stick with those. To your point:
>modern games are better for fun, in all ways
Play UT99. It's older than most stuff in OP and definitely older than any shooter you've played, but it holds up really fucking well because the movement and gunplay and positioning are top notch.

>>726388991
I had to play on legendary and force myself to play footsie with all the melee enemies to finally play through the game. First ES game I ever finished the main quest of.

>>726388476
Zoomers think RE4 original is too clunky

>>726388705
>>726388991
i've had plenty of fun in skyrim, i played on legendary and used the archwizard robe so i had to be careful and use summons to tank and a variety of spells that made it feel like fantasy bioshock
>>726390276
but i already said what i like. i don't like pvp competitive games because other people sweat it too much.
i want to have fun and relax while i play; nightreign, baldur's gate 3, and other modern games have been great for that. every time i try to play older games, the movements are poor, or they waste too much time to get to stuff. which is why i'm saying, if you want the story you can watch it on youtube, if you want to have enjoy yourself new games are better

>>726368990
>why would you play a game that came out 20 years ago?
to see what you've missed out on.

>>726385601
Wait until you grow up and realize 95% of these games are shit

>>726365068
>bayonetta
huh?

where's thief?

>>726393091
I've had plenty of fun in Skyrim too, but it's still a watered down and shallow game

>>726387279
Sounds like you need to look outside. Racism is more "in" than it has been in decades.
If it'll help untwist your panties, I use "nigger" exclusively to refer to the subhuman waste that deserves it. Regular black people are fine.

>>726365068
ones worth playing:
>SOTN
>Cave Story
>RE4
>Demon's Souls
>LTTP

ones not worth playing:
>the rest of them

>>726370708
the trvke that caused endless seething among /v/

>>726393674
it's still the best elder scrolls, that's my point

>>726395106
No, that's Morrowind

>>726394732
>endless seething
>4 responses