Explain why you're not buying a steam controller.
>>726698047Physically impossible
for less than the cost of a steam controller, I can use my dualshock 4 which I will enjoy more
>>726698047I don't like how the buttons are so close to the outside of the controller. Not paying $120 either.
1. It will be $150+2. I hate valve and their DRM copyright digital licenses3. I already have a steam controller. Its called using a mouse and keyboard, and using a controller thats plugged in sitting on my desk in controller specific games
>>726698047I am above.
>>726698047because I am brown and they don't sell them in my shithole
But I AM getting one. I'm gonna dock my Deck with a small monitor and use the new controller and retire the old one.>>726698085Genuinely the only good Sony controller.
>Valve Haptic PadsI fell for this meme once, not again
>>726698047I want to try one, but the more I think about it the less I'd use those trackpads. It's just a waste of space.
>>726698170>>726698174>$120>$150What brings you to this stupid conclusion? The first version was $30.
>>726698047I already have a controller
>>726698256the trackpads, gyro, hd rumble, and so on
>>726698256If you think the new controller will be anywhere close to $30 you're crazy.
>>726698047I'm going to laugh my ass off if this is less than the Pro Controller 2
>>726698047I'm gonna wait and see to see how good it is, and if it is very good I will either buy one or wait 'til Sony and/or Microsoft make a better version of it
>>726698047I can't yet.
>>726698174It won't be $150+It has lots of features but it's not positioned as a "Pro" or "Elite" controller, and they're using some more basic materials to help keep costs down.I expect $80 to $90
because it's not out yet
>>726698047I'm not gonna buy it if it's over 100$.I've got 8bitdo Ultimate 2 and it got full nice package of features and steam input full support for less than half of that price.
Can I get a version without the trackpads?
>>726698047I'll have to try one for myself, so I'll definitely have to buy at least one. But I can explain to you why I'm not buying a 2nd one if it sucks.
>>726698278>>726698329All of that was on the first controller.
>>726698047I will unless they don't sell it in my thirdie shithole. In which case I'll just keep buying chink ones.
>>726698047But I am buying it. It seems like the definitive controller for PC.
>>726698329It's going to be $80 tops.
>>726698047How am I even supposed to use the trackpads, low symmetrical thumbsticks (aka snoygger thumbsticks) are already hell to use, why would I want to strain my thumbs even further?
>>726698047How much are they selling it for
>>726698445If you want it for PC you are going to want the teackpads.>t. Steam Controller/Deck custom controller community configs maker
>>726698278The most expensive part there is the hd rumble which iirc is only like 8 cents per module.
>>726698445why wouldn't you want the track pads
>>726698047Won't ship to my shithole. Might grab one next time I'm in a human country.
>>726698727They make the controller look a bit too bulky for my tastes
My current controller is fine, if they're $50 or less I might get one though.
>>726698174So you played Elden Ring on a keyboard and mouse?
>>726698614Sticks are thankfully not as low as GayStation sticks and are further apart.
>>726698047I'll get one if it's 100 dollars or less. I'll get more than one if it's 60 dollars or less.
>>726698047because i have a old xboner and joystick and wheel and vr controllersthat steam controller is jack of all trades but master of none, would like one but probably overpriced in my madmaxland or just cant get it period
>>726698047It's not out yet
I already have the original steam controller and it fucking sucks. No desire to play with a track pad on a controller at all.
>>726698047because i'm not a controllerbab
>>726698047Fucking look at it and tell me it'll actually be comfortable.
>>726698047We have Steam Controller 2 at homehttps://github.com/Lucaber/deckjoy
>>726698047A Dualshock 4 does the job just fines and feels great in the hands
>>726698047I have the original controller but never use it. Its' use case is to be used as a replacement for a m&k in places where a m&k would be awkward like on a sofa. I don't have a pc in the Living room though.
>>726698047Because I wanted one 3 years ago when I got my Steam Deck, but at this point it's ancient sheikah technology that isn't worth connecting to my TV anymore because it can barely do 800p 30fps for PS4 era games.I will not be getting a Steam Cube since Valve has pretty much confirmed an 800-1000 euro price tag, which is ridiculous for a PC that'll age rapidly compared to a traditional console (just like the Deck proved).Kill all capitalists. Parasites the lot of them.
>>726698047Those trackpads I would never use are taking up a ton of space.>>726698661No, I'm really not. I would rather not play something at all than use trackpads.
>>726700781You participate in capitalist systems.
It looks exactly like the Deck and the Deck is not particularly comfortable.I have a Series S controller which I like already.
>>726698047I will be buying one actually
I'm not the target demographic
>>726701943WAOW!!! PRETTY LADIES GAMING!!! UMMM BASED??
>>726701047faggot
>>726698047Because I already have one
>>726698047I already have the original and this just looks worse if I don't need the d-pad and extra stick>>726698256It was $50
If I'm playing games that aren't on Steam, will the controller still work or will I have to add them to Steam?
>>726698047but I am once it releases
>>726702449There are programs to make it work outside of Steamhttps://github.com/Alia5/GlosSIhttps://github.com/kozec/sc-controller
>>726702449>>726702780These are for the original sc btw but I'm assuming the new one will be supported by them or by another program eventually, if the new one doesn't already work outside of Steam by default.
>>726698085>no touchpads>no back buttonsNo thanks.
because they haven't even opened up pre-orders yet dipshit
>>726700997Why would you never use the best part of the controller? It'd make more sense to remove the analog sticks.
Dun need one
>>726698047No good game is played with a controller
>>726700781Capitalism is le bad because *checks notes* it improves technology incredibly fast?
>>726698047I know the gap in the middle is not important since my fingers never go in there, but I still feel bothered by the lack of it.
>>726703970It looks comfier if you look at the back
My Xbox one controller just werks and I'd rather spend the money on a wheel and pedals
>>726698614It's not designed for crippled negros
>>726698047Because I already have a mouse, keyboard and 20 dollars knock off DS4. I'm not paying 80+ dollars for something that tries to be all three while looking as comfortable to hold as an oddly shaped rock.
>>726704808I only know one semi-interesting upcoming racing game and using wheel with it is kinda retardedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mm2ljVET8AAnd I doubt you are playing ETS, or you would buy wheel long ago. Your post is retarded.
>>726698047>already have a controller>already have a pc>already have a vr headseti don't get the hype, this is the industry doing cartwheels into its grave. unless they release a half-life game with the headset i wont touch it
>>726698047Because everything Steam / Valve makes it complete shit. Only low IQ fools buy their garbage.
>>726705003>consolepleb calling others retardedEnjoy your shitty playstation racing games
I will buy it if it's under 100eurobucks but I don't need it since I already have pic related.That said the steam controller dpad worries me. Looks kinda shit but maybe I'm wrong.
>>726704757People actually think this is going to be meme priced over $100 when it is so spartan that the shell is just two plain plastic halves with visible screw holes. (like god intended)
>>726705307>the dpad worries meHe says while posting that abomination
>>726705109https://store.steampowered.com/app/2814990/Screamer/It's multiplat, retard. I don't own a console.
>>726705380Nothing wrong with dpad on the G7 pro but you probably never tried it.
>>726705419Then why link the PS5 version retard?
>>726698047I probably am. Depends on the price.
>>726698047>Explain why you're not buying a steam controller.Because I don't have any info about important stuff like battery life and d-pad quality. If it's good I'll consider it, but considering it's a touch pad gimmick controller I'm expecting it to be expensive while also cheaping out on things that actually make a control good like button quality.
>>726705497It's a trailer, what's the fucking difference which channel it's from?
>>726698047Want to see what the D Pad is like first.
>>726705645>battery life35 hours
>>726705798That's pretty good.
>>726698047>Explain why you are buying a steam controller.Best battery life, best gyro (with capacitive touch), 2nd best rumble next to Dual Sense, Macbook level trackpads, low latency, comfy charger, all parts replaceable, perfect for modern games & pc games & emulation (wii, switch, gyro)
>>726705891+ magnetic anti stick drift sticks
>>726705891>comfy chargerNo, it's shit. I wonder how soon chinese will make a dock station for it.
>>726698047not available in my 3rd ass country
>>726705970how is it shit
>>726706029Lmao do you live in Iran or something?
>>726698047Left stick
>>726705307I like the design and the form factor, but xbox fell behind in terms of features.
>>726698047It looks okay but I already have a good controller that's gonna last me my whole life.
>>726702897>no useless gimmicksoh no!
>>726706061close, the south cone
>>726698047I only just bought a fantech controller recently.
>>726705970It's not shit, but I gotchu... I also prefer a docking station. But I need a dual dock, hopefully there will be something. Maby something modular, where you have to place your charger into a fucking cheapo 3d printed piece of shit, or something actual high quality.>I trust the valve drone community, I mean look at fcking deck mods and steam machine shit even pre relase...
>>726698085>dual shock 4 broke>can't get a real replacement hereI hate the new ps controllers
>>726698047I want to try before I buy
>>726706107I too love using sticks to play FPS/TPS and to slowly move the cursor on a TV screen, and also or curling up my index finger like a claw to play Souls games.
>>726698047i'm not trans
>>726706054It's not a dock station. You've never used one? You put pad down and it's charging, you pick it up and it's immediately connecting.
>>726698047I am buying that actually, it's the only price of hardware Valve has that I'm interested in now
>>726706375He said steam controller not Dualsense.
>>726698047I am going to buy one doe.
>>726698047I'm too low IQ
lack of two stage triggers is hurting
>>726706286>he doesn't move his hand from the usual way to hold a controller to the claw depending on which is most effective in the current situationNGMI
>>726707431I mean, I did that before I used a controller with back buttons.
Hoping for a dual stage trigger mod for this.
>>726698047I mostly just use my controller for retro console games and fighting games. The Steam Controller offers me basically nothing. If anything, it's a downgrade, going back to the Xbone style of d-pad cap instead of the XSX
>>726698047A cheap third-party xbox controller is good enough.>but the trackpads!If a game needs trackpads then it's better with keyboard/mouse anyway.
>>726698047because if the 'eck is any indication, since I live in new zealand, those faggot niggers at valve won't let me buy it from them, directly.
I am. Hilariously Microsoft drivers suck ass for Bluetooth Xbox controllers so I'm hoping to finally enjoy my pc games from the couch with this.
>>726702780>>726702825There's a new one.https://github.com/Alia5/SISR
>>726698278All of this is cheap shit, you are buying into the excuses of the degenerate console industry that needs to make up for their lack of software to sell by deferring costs onto their chinkshit controller hardware as well. Handheld controllers are cheap by design.>>726706419Just 3D print one or carve it out of wood. I would do so myself, but I can only print benchies and carve vengeful Buddhas.
I'll buy one if it's under 100 bucks because I still have that much credit on Steam from the fucking TF2 unusual bug when I sold all my old crates. There's nothing to fucking buy on the storefront, the games are shit.
>>726698047>>726704757im sure it feels fine to hold but the pictures are so unflattering. the face buttons and stick look too high up and the back buttons look way too low
Will it have the dualsense HD rumble in games that support it?
>>726698085I would buy the shit out of an OEM ds4 with usb-c.I have a dualsense but the battery drains in less than 55 minutes playing wireless, and my DS4 broke about 2 years ago.
>>726698047i have an 8bitdo ultimate 2.4gtho i likely will buy a steam machine and new steam controller eventually
>>726698047They refuse to sell to non-contiguous states or protectorates, and I don't want to overspend on a goddamn controller.>>726702897But it DOES have ONE touchpad. Are you blind? Furthermore, you can just use DS4Windows (which was forked, https://github.com/schmaldeo/DS4Windows , https://github.com/CircumSpector/DS4Windows) to set macros, as no game will recognize the extra buttons.
>>726698047One - not a Steam droneTwo - touch pads on controllers have ALWAYS looked lame and gayThree - the GameSAAR controller I got last year at Black Friday makes everything else I look around obsolete for a really slim price
>>726698047I don't have hands that big, it looks uncomfortable to hold. Even in the trailers with people holding it, it didn't look right.A friend of mine is interested so I'll feel it hands on and make my mind up then, but I'm strongly leaning towards avoiding it.My favourite controller is the PS3 one. I used a PS5 one currently.
>>726698085Don't worry anon, I got your reference to buying beef and cheese.
It looks worse than the OG xbox controller or the gamecube one. Rather use the cheapest madcats controller straight from a garage sale.
>>726709328They should've made it so the pads can be popped out and replaced with sticks. That would've meant the controller could be physically smaller and less awkward to hold. Those sticks can't be comfortable for prolonged use.
>>726698047The only game I have that is even worth using a controller for is FFX and my current playthru is on hiatus cuz the Trials puzzles are just very fucking annoying and not very fun
>>726698047I will buy it, but I don't know when.
>>726707431Why would I do that instead of holding the controller normally?
>>726698170>>726698278The closest controller to this in terms of features that we know the manufacturing cost of is the DS4, which was around 20 bucks. Even if we assume they're using much better parts, I don't see the cost of manufacturing being above 50, maybe 60 bucks, and that's already 3x the DS4, it's likely lower. Valve could comfortably sell this for 80 bucks, even lower and still make good profit off it, not that they need it since Steam prints in a day more than this controller will sell in its lifetime.
>>726698047I have a steam deck and I think those track pads are utter dogshit.
>>726698223Not a meme. Just the next step in controller evolution on par with dual sticks.
>>726706219I bought a dual sense to try but I really do think the DS4 is better. I can't quite explain why. It just feels slightly more comfortable I guess. I wish the dual sense L2/R2 in "stiff" mode or whatever you want to call it was how L2/R2 were all the time though. I fucking hate useless squishy triggers and just want proper buttons.
>>726698445Yes. That's called literally any controller ever made.
>>726698047Because it's not available yet
>>726698047I am though.
>>726700228The Deck is extremely comfortable and this is basically the same shape with some slight tweaks. Valve clearly cares about ergonomics.
>>726702112Clearly capitalism isn't so bad if you don't want to live under the alternatives.
>>726711437I would not be interested in this controller if I hadn't used the deck, it looks ugly but the deck layout fits my big fatfuck hands perfectly
>>726704808>just werksCall me when you can aim without relying on an aimbot.
>>726707779>If a game needs trackpads then it's better with keyboard/mouse anywayWhat if the game also needs 360° movement?
>>726711619>using a controller for shooters
>>726709295>looked lame and gayI'm not sure if you know this, but you're supposed to look at the game, not the controller.
>>726698047i'll probably get it if/when the triggers on my xbone controller break again like they did during lies of p
>>7266980478bitdo does it better
>>726711619You can, with gyro. Even non potentiometer sticks are tolerable. Though, Xshit got nothing of this, it's by far the worst possible controller, only like 10 bucks noname chinese shit is worse.>>726711796Unless it's competitive, you will be fine
>>726698085>dualshock 4>terribad battery>terribad connection point>terribad materials and stick wear>terribad durability>literally 0 of the functions of a steam controllerkek
>>726711796Wasn't talking about shooters. The majority of games have some kind of aiming, and are thus better played with gyro and trackpads or mouse. Also, playing shooters on controller sucks precisely BECAUSE gyro and trackpads are often not supported. With gyro, and especially trackpads, the difference between mouse and controller is largely irrelevant for anyone except esports pros, and (YOU) are not that skilled.
>>726711934>You can, with gyroYes. That's what I was talking about. Xbox controllers, which that anon said he uses, don't have gyro.
>>726711901Since when does 8shitpoo have trackpads?
>>726698047Because I'm not a tranny?What kind of fucking question is this
>>726712082why the fuck would you need trackpads on a controller use a mkb at that point
>>726698047my hands are too big for a controller
>>726712123Neither am I, which is why I'm buying the SS-team KKKontroller
I already have a controller in the form of Gamesir G7
>>726712082If steam controller will be successful, Ultimate 3 will have trackpads. Unlike gamesaar and flydigi, which removes fucking dinput from their controllers, 8bitdo bets on steam, they even got a page about steam compatibility on their site. I'm like 100% sure they will try to steal trackpad design.
>>726712163>use a mkb at that pointWhy would I do that when I can have trackpads? The idea that mkb is inherently better is only caused by the fact that controllers haven't evolved for 20 years. With trackpads, back buttons and gyro, controllers are equal to kbm, and at that point it's purely up to preference which one you want to use.
Also, i'm not going to buy a new controller, my blue rock candy xbox 360 controller from 2013 still works fine
>>726711993>all that cope and prokjectionLmao
>>726712291They aren't adding any hardware feature that isn't used on Switch hombre
>>726712293It's marketer crap, same reason why people pretend not having gyro is good.
>>726712291That's genuinely great. We need trackpads to become standard so controllers can finally evolve past 2006. The only way for that to happen is with 3rd party controller manufacturers adding them, which will force 1st party manufacturers to add them in their next consoles, which will lead to native game support.
>>726698047I have a Dualsense.
>>726712293its like using the red ball on a thinkpad and calling it a regular mouse in a fps shooter like cmon now
>>726708353>All of this is cheap shit, you are buying into the excuses of the degenerate console industrymany such cases>games HAVE to cost $80 because its more expensive than ever to make games! games used to be like $200 when adjusted with inflation...its actually cheaper than ever to make games thanks to massive corner cutting, saving money on using pre coded mechanics and engines, incredibly cheap physical media, outsourcing, wage raping, and morethat "expense" is now just CEO pocket liners and wasted marketing budgets. All funded by consoletards.
>>726712383Concession accepted. Thanks for making this so easy.
a built in keyboard would be way more useful than the meme pads.
>>726712470Except the thinkpad clit works on the same basis as a joystick, while trackpads and gyro work on the same basis as mouse.
>>726698907>look bulky>lookwho cares how it looks if it FEELS fine you massive faggotard?
>>7267123912 extra buttons and 2 paddles used on switch?
>>726700997its a PC you fucking consoletwat, you can use any controller you want>taking up space>...that you arent using at the same timeokay, you are legitimately retarded
>>726712523You can use the trackpads as a keyboard. They're much more versatile than something that won't be used 99% of the time.
>>726702112a retard drew the comic, and you posted it, making you double retarded>there was no seatbelts until they were invented>life was shit before they improved it>woman willingly uses a slave-made phone despite there being alternatives, and, that item not being essential.its like retards like you simply lost the ability to think, did niggers get their DNA into our water or something?
>>726712608typing with those trackpads sucks shit. I do own a steam deck.I wish that had a physical keyboard too.
>>726698047idk sell me on it
>>726708670>baby hands typed this post
>>726712748A keyboard like the 360 controller had sucks too. At least compared to an actual keyboard. The trackpads can do the same function well enough for the few times you need it, and are useful elsewhere too. A keyboard would be dead space 99% of the time and be marginally better 1% of the time.
>>726712910You could take the keyboard off when you're not using it. The trackpads are just added weight, and they fuck up the rest of the controls.
>>726705037>never improve controllers with even better than HAL sticks and more features, 35+ hour batteries and quality because we already have a shitty DS4>never make small, cheap pre built PCs for consoletards because we already have over priced under developed consoles and high end PCs>never make better, more accessible, more versatile headests that do more than just VR (It does what the Virture does too) because we already have expensive inaccessable VR headsetsthis is why zoomers, lefties, democrats, and console owning retards should not be allowed to vote in society.
i already have an xbox controller. if i didnt and was in a market for a new controller i might buy this.
>>726712972>The trackpads are just added weight, and they fuck up the rest of the controlsIt weighs 300 grams. Also, they're well out of the way. Besides, if you don't care about them, I guess this controller just isn't for you. They're the main selling point. What does this have besides them?
>>7267131323 back buttons and capacitive sensing for gyro?
The difference between a bad and a good controller is negligible at best. 99% of controller marketing is finding a problem to sell you a solution. In reality, controllers peaked with the PS2 / GameCube, everything afterwards is smoke an mirrors.
>>726713197Well fair, I guess, but those are secondary features. The trackpads are the main focus. Like with the Deck, you can use the other controls without ever touching the trackpads.
>>726713253I agree when it comes to typical "elite" controllers, but trackpads, gyro and back buttons are genuinely on the level of twin sticks in terms of how much they add, arguably even better.
>>726713253retarded take by a retarded retard.Also the best controller on the market right now is the switch 2's pro controller but, its not out of the box compatible with the PC, yet.the material is also way better going back to plastic is going to suck.
>>726712910these memepads are dead space in 100% of cases.
>>726698047I am holding out until I can control the video games using my brain chip.
>>726713445You've clearly never used them.
>>726713606I have a steam deck.Games that require mouse aim or mouse controls for UIs feel like utter shit on them and I avoid them on it.Desktop mode setup is best handled with remote control software like anydesk.
>>726698047The d-pad looks like shit, probably awful membrane face buttons, sticks look meh as fuck and like they'd grind around the housing, the rest of the buttons look kinda shitty and I don't really care about track pads.I'd recommend a Flydigi Vader 5 Pro instead.
>>726713757>wrong on all frontssony arent sending their best.
>>726713412fr? did they improve the dpad?thinking about getting one cuz goddamn the new joycon grip doesn't feel good to me
>>726713757if it uses steam deck parts then you are wrong. d-pad and analogs are pretty good on it. buttons are neither excellent nor terrible.
>>726713412The switch 2 controller is inferior to the switch 1 gamepad by miles. The d-pad is so unbelievably shitty it made Silksong a pain in the ass to play.
>>726698047If it's nice i'll get one prolly. I need a new controller and I'd rather get something to support valves "monopoly" than another shitty xbox or playstation controller that will end up with stick drift.
>>726698047I don't use controllers.
>>726713880Yeah, though its STILL not as good as the very old Nintendo dpads.but its the best controller right now by a mile>the material is nice, doesnt get dirty and sweaty, doesnt freeze in the cold or get hot and sweat inducing>the sticks are high quality and dont fray off like the DS4>while all hands are different, the form factor is super comfy IMO, at least on par with DS4 and better than DS5>the face buttons are high quality and feel just right, no click or mush>back buttons, one on each side, will be good for PC when it works, but still useful on switch too as they can be mapped to any button>triggers are digital, which is a major plus for me, not only does the DS4/5 have that issue of pressing them when you put it down, the digital triggers are more durable and responsive, less travel time and amiguity of activation and all>35+ hour battery>only takes 30~50 mins to charge to full>weight is IMO perfect>actually has a good audio port, like, genuinely good quality sound from it>gyro is definately improved, immediately noticed that>>726713932objectively wrong.
>>726713848>muh shitnyThey have objectively the worst modern controllers besides 8shitdung.>>7267138974 way mushy d-pads are outdated as fuck and have been for decades.
>>726714106clicky d-pads are alright but they are extremely overrated.some are even terrible, like the one on the gamesaar tarantula.
>>726698047But I will buyeding it though.
>>726698047I genuinely love the Series X D-Pad.But Xbox will likely be dead in a decade and DualSense sticks drift almost as much as JoyCons so maybe I'll have to go for a Steam Controller eventually.
>>726709161I own a DS4, its "touchpad" is not remotely equivalent to the Deck's touchpads.
>>726702112This comic is retarded. Usually, people only post the last panel, because they know that the first two panels are indefensibly stupid. You are too retarded to understand that. You should kill yourself. If you dislike how a luxury good is produced then you shouldn't buy that luxury good, you faggot. It's not fucking bread.
>>726698047I already redeemed.
>>726702112The women isn't like the Peasant in this comic. She's more like an offscreen lord who's eating grain produced by the peasant.
>>726706419I have something like pic related so docks aren't for me. Though I wonder if it's because I don't really use controllers often anyways.
call me when it's wired and cheap. I don't buy overpriced, laggy, disposable radiation technology.
>>726698047>>726705307I hope they don't fuck up the d-pad again.The d-pad in the Deck LCD is not great but usable after breaking in. The Deck OLED d-pad was straight up broken though; you could not reliable register diagonals without applying an obscene amount of precise pressure.
>>726698047I have a desktop PC. Steam controller has no point if you have K+M.
>>726698047I already have a controller and it isn't broken.
>>726698047I am, and probably two of them.
>>726698174Most games are better with controller movement and mouse aiming, which is what the Steam Controller provides.
i use this one insteadit's modular and i can use all my fingers
>>726717280you are delusional or lying
>>726719438>can't move, aim and shoot at the same time OH MY GABEN TAKE MY RUPPEES
>>726719805Well, actually you can, that's the entire point of gyro, trackpads and back buttons
>>726704757>all those screw holes what is this cheap shit I bet the plastic feels absolutely awful just like the first Steam controller
>>726708725it has a somewhat more simple HD rumble more like the Switch 2 Pro controller, but it's not full on haptics like the Dualsense
>>726698047I am fucking buying it as soon at will be available in my country.
>>726698047Because I don't use the trackpads on my deck for gayman either. Should I though?
>>726698047I am not currently looking for a new gamepad. The same goes for all the Valve products they showcased. I'm sure they're fine, I just have it all already.And once my gamepad needs a replacement I'm sure these controllers will become unobtainable.
>>726698047if I'm playing a game that would benefit from trackpads, then I'd just use mouse and keyboard and I'd much rather use my dualsense for controller games. Steam controller mostly seems neat for people who have a PC setup in their lounge on the TV, which makes sense given it's mainly intended to pair with Steam Machine
>>726698047Already have a better one
I have a perfectly functional 8BitDo. I can't justify spending money on more plastic crap when my current plastic crap still works fine.
>>726698047i already have good controllers and can use it to play the games i want
>>726704757I didn't realize it had back buttons. This is great because if it becomes the new standard, it'll drastically improve control schemes. Didn't that shitty company have a patent on them?
>>726721471>This is great because if it becomes the new standardXbox, Nintendo and Sony all do it on their "pro" controllers, but they only exist to let you map existing buttons to them, which is kind of neat, but it would be way cooler if they were standardised as actual new inputs
>>726698047Because my PS5 came with a controller that already works with emulators on PC and I play PC games with a mouse and keyboard like you're supposed to.
>>726717280Only third world children think they're hardcore master race for refusing to use controllers when they're better. PC is about options, not abiut using the shitty office keyboard you have.
>>726719583>>726721595He might just be making the same point as this anon: >>726720887
>>726721576I know. That's why I said standard as opposed to pro model. Dragon's Dogma is the easiest example because it uses shortcut keys with the shoulders for special moves. 4 more modifiers on the back would completely change games in terms of number of actions you have available.
>>726706107>no useless gimmicksit's got that seldom utilized crap pad dead center on the controller
>>726698047Xbox duke looking mf. I already have a xbox controller for PC so why would I?
>>726698047I didn't like the steam deck controls and these seem basically copy-pasted from it.
>>726721730>seldom utilizedDpads are good for item/command selection in action games, and are absolutely essential for any 2D games. If you play a 2D games with an analog stick, you're demented.
What for? I already have an Xbox and PS5 controller. The original was also not very good. I have one around and I never got much use for it.
>>726722164>What for? I already have an Xbox and PS5 controller.Poor for aiming-driven games.>The original was also not very good.Ah, I see we're dealing with a retard.>I have one around and I never got much use for it.Case in point.Why did you buy something if you weren't going to use it?
>>726720917>no trackpads>betterKek no. Lmao.
>>726721815>I already have a xbox controller for PC so why would I?Because the xbox controller is shit.
>>726722396Yes, not having trackpads does make it better.
>>726698047Oh but I am
>>726722958>less controls in my controller is betterThen why the fuck aren't you using this?
>>726712293>>726712543Trackpads do NOT work on the same basis as a mouse. We've had trackpads for decades, it's well known that they are vastly inferior to gaming, it's a device of last resort that you use when you're on your laptop away from home without a mouse and want to play some casual game that doesn't need fine mouse control.Gyro + trackpad can be a passable approximation to the point that PC games can be made playable, but it's still a massive compromise. Accurate gyro aim requires massive spazzing movements and is still inferior to a mouse.
>>726725535>We've had trackpads for decadesSome chinese noname shit is called drawing tablet just like my wacom. Are they the same? Hardly. Steam deck trackpads allows you to aim, sony touchpad allows you to slap balls on it and nothing more.
>>726698047Already have a controller.As long as it works, there is no potential upgrade that matters.
>>726725535I have a deck and I'd rather use the touch screen than the track pad 99% of the time. I have a switch and my original impetus for getting a deck was trying to play the god awful cultist sim switch port. Despite the system having a touch screen I couldn't use it in game and had to use the dpad to go through menus.
>>726726051Apple is widely praised for making some of the best trackpads around and I've used macbooks (including even the standalone "magic trackpad" or whatever, back when I was in an office) and I can tell you it is not usable for serious gaming.I'm not saying Valve's trackpads aren't going to be high quality, possibly even close to the best that such a device can be. I have a Deck myself, the trackpads are indeed pretty good. They're still trackpads though and are not usable as a mouse replacement except for, at best, point-and-clicking in menus. But even for that they are absolutely TINY which makes for a terrible mouse experience, a macbooks is unironically better for gaming if you want a trackpad as a mouse replacement, at least you can whip your cursor around menus easier with it.
the track pads are a terrible cope solution.better off not playing games that require aim at all than to use garbage like that.just all around ass.tried RoR2 as a shooter game with all the epic flip stick turn setup and everything and lobotomy corp and neither were enjoyable at all so I just stick to generic controller games on my steam deck as god intended.
>>726725535>Trackpads do NOT work on the same basis as a mouseThey literally do, though. Sticks translate real-life position into in-game velocity. On the other hand, trackpads, gyro and mouse all translate real-life movement directly into in-game movement. Sticks+gyro is 90% as good as a mouse, largely because you can't turn 180° quickly. Good enough for playing singleplayer games and online games casually, but not really viable competitively. Flickstick+gyro and trackpad+gyro are 99% as good as a mouse. Unless you're in the worldwide top 10, your skill will become the limiting factor much earlier than the controller will.>it's well known that they are vastly inferior to gamingOn laptops, yes. That's mostly because they're in a shitty position and rarely have buttons. There's nothing wrong with the actual technology, only the implementation. On something designed for gaming with them, like the Steam Controller, they're perfectly viable.>Gyro + trackpad can be a passable approximation to the point that PC games can be made playableFalse.>Accurate gyro aim requires massive spazzing movementsFalse, again. Simply set your sensitivity high enough, and you won't have to move more than a couple degrees.
>>726726460he can't go throught the door, tho.Check and mat
>>726698230Trackpads seem to be in awkward position and rotation is strange. If you have Xbox controller you can test and see how retarded the trackpad angle is. Maybe I'm wrong but not looking that great.
>>726726340>and are not usable as a mouse replacementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxCsH_ZE6gLooks better than sticks
>>726726628its me trying to post on vee after getting hit with a 3day ban
>>726698047I will unless it's $100 or reviews say the d-pad is dogshit, it's the only new Valve hardware product I'm interested in
>>726705891Fuuuck I want it in the clear plastic. Reminds me of OG xbox controllers.
>>726698047The previous one costs over 300 dollars in my shithole country.I shudder to think what this new one will cost.
I've never had a need for trackpads. Pretty much every game I play has controller support and the ones that don't are vastly superior on m+kb. I'll just pick up a Vader 5 instead unless the steam controller is like $40.
>>726727054>Paying for no dinput controllerAre you insane?
>>726698047I'll wait and see how much it is and if it's actually comfortable to hold. My switch pro controller is getting a little old now
>>726727050>device that isn't being produced anymore has a high markupgee I wonder why
>muh trackpadsshill them to me, shills.i dont see the need, at all. im obviously going to use the gamepad on my pc, i have a mouse right there
>>726712293>The idea that mkb is inherently better isthe fact that the mouse is an extension of your hand. You will never push a joystick with the same precision as moving your arm.
>>726698727>>726712546>>726703250>>726712597Imagine someone from 2010 saying the best part of a laptop to play FPS is the trackpad... the things you have to read in this shithole...
>>726727949While the whole arm vs thumb thing plays a part, the real issue with sticks is the way they work. See >>726726587>Sticks translate real-life position into in-game velocity. On the other hand, trackpads, gyro and mouse all translate real-life movement directly into in-game movement.Even if you had a mousepad sized stick you could use your whole arm for, you couldn't aim well with it because the technology is fundamentally inferior for aiming. Your thumb is still very precise, and can be used to aim well with when using a trackpad. You can also use your whole arm with gyro.
>>726728101Laptop trackpads suck for gaming, yes, but not because of any failure of the actual technology. Only because they're not designed for gaming.
>>726698047i remember getting the og steam controller for free when they had that promo and i threw it in the trash less than an hour after receiving it, one of the biggest pieces of shit i ever laid hands oni would like to get hands-on with it first though, no chance i'm getting it without trying it first
>>726702897>no touchpad
>>726702897>>no touchpadsBut it has one, and you can split it into two via Steam Input, its not perfect, but its waaaay better than an xbox controller or switch pro controller (even if the switch has a better gyro)
>>726726587>On laptops, yes. That's mostly because they're in a shitty position and rarely have buttons.The valve trackpads don't have buttons either, the clicks are mediocre as actual buttons>Simply set your sensitivity high enough, and you won't have to move more than a couple degrees.Genuine question, how precise can you be when a couple of degrees is enough to cover most movement? You hold the controller entirely in your hands - it feels like you'd need to be very carefully braced else you'll be naturally disadvantaged in aim.People use high sensitivity on mice but mice rest on the table, so there's almost no effort required for aim stability and you can exert as fine a force as you want to provide for the tiniest movements. Even still most people generally prefer turning the sensitivity down, in fact way down for games where precision matters a lot, just so they have more room for fine control.With a controller you're constantly exerting force to keep it held so it feels to me like it would be near impossible to make tiny adjustments when your sensitivity is this high.I've tried gyro aim btw, but not seriously enough to really practice with it. So maybe I just don't know how to use it properly.
>>726698047I have a DualShock 2. I don't need more.
>>726729297>The valve trackpads don't have buttons eitherObviously not because you shoot with the triggers.>Genuine question, how precise can you be when a couple of degrees is enough to cover most movementJust as precise as on mouse when a couple centimeters is enough to cover most movement. That, and you're not supposed to make big movements with the gyro. The idea is that you use the stick/trackpad to turn and use the gyro for the remaining couple degrees to get right on the target.>it feels to me like it would be near impossible to make tiny adjustments when your sensitivity is this highAnd yet it works and people use it.
>>726698047I probably will eventually. I do think of the 3 things they announced this will be the item that is out of stock early on almost always. For now I’m going to keep alternating between kb+m, xbox controller, and Switch Pro controller depending on the game.
>>726721969not talking about the dpad you autistic sperg
Ugly as shit and unergonomic
>>726698047but I really fucking want one
>>726698047Explain why one should.
i already own like 10 god damn controllers from all the devices i ownif you're buying this solo you're just a fomo retard or a hoarder
>>726698047>Explain why you're not buying a steam controller.Because i'm poor though
>Steam controller was an awful evolutionary dead end that flopped>Steam Controller 2 won't be a massive piece of shit as wellLmao I don't have a good enough basedjak to make fun of this shit
>>726731412steam controller 2 can at least be used as a regular controller.the first one was straight up dysfunctional for the majority of games.
>>726731412Steam Controller didn't flop, Valve pulled it because of patent trolling.
>>726731550Lmao couldn't imagine being a steamie
>>726731123Because it's objectively the best controller out there in terms of both features and comfort.
>>726731706Man steam fags really are the only one more retarded than tendies
>>726731921Uh huh. Show me one controller that's more comfortable and has more features than this.
>>726732030Easy literally any other controllerand those aren't features, those are gimmicks and failure points
>>726698047explain why you needed another yacht, Gabe
>>726732121>Easy literally any other controllerFalse. If the original Steam Controller and the Deck are anything to go by, this will easily be among the most comfortable controllers out there.>and those aren't features, those are gimmicks and failure pointsLmao. Trackpads and gyro are the best thing since twin sticks, and back buttons aren't far behind.
>>726698047It's not out yeti also use a controller for like 2 games out of my whole library, can't justify a 70$ purchase so far, but who knows, maybe
>>726732314>seething this much over a man spending money he earned how he wantsI don't even like Gaben that much, but he's based for making so many "people" seethe.
These threads would be so much more tolerable if Gabe didn't win such fierce loyalty from the third world
>>726732683I don't think Valve even sells hardware there.
>>726727245AHK solves all problems.
>>726732825Steam deck is sold in a surprising number of countries outside EU and NA actually.
>>726732683Obsessively posting threads where you sob about hardware prices is thirdie behavior. I don't know what fantasy world you live in where the third world all have gaming PCs in their hovels. They play mobile games and old consoles. I tried to find a similar graph for India and saw one with a genre breakdown. Their entire "strategy" market consisted of Clash of Clans.
>>726698047But I am. And it'll be the last controller I ever buy.
>>726733024How the fuck AHK gonna solve lack of compatibility with steam input?It's a xinput pad with 100% of functionality relied on a chinese soft.
This $10 chinesium mogs all other controllers>>726733752>mobile numbers bigger than anythingThat's all markets everywhere newfriend
>>726732030is failing hardware a feature?
>>726734002It doesn't mog shit when it doesn't even have trackpads.
>>726734078What failing hardware?
>>726734002>That's all markets everywhereNo shit, retard. The point I was making is that the shithole most associated with PC gaming (Brazil) has a smaller PC market its console market.
>>726732683>valve makes a decision that fucks over skin traders>nonstop anti-valve seethe threads ever sinceNice try pajeet.
>>726734123I only emulate because vidya has been shit for decades. What are you playing that requires trackpads?
>>726727050It sucked ass anyways, if you told me back then that they made a handheld that didn't suck I wouldn't have believed you.
>>726712736>slave-made phone despite there being alternativessuch as?
>>726698047Face buttons aren't in the Nintendo layout
>>726734561nta, any game with a 3D camera or menus that support mouse movement I'd appreciate having a trackpad for over slower rstick camera movement or having to scroll through menu options one by one, respectively. You can also bind a shitton of inputs to a trackpad, so it can serve as extra face buttons or let you take recordings, screenshots, alt tab, Lossless Scaling hotkeys, open emulator settings, etc without putting the controller down.
>>7267058914 back paddles.i'm hoping they are in comfortable positions and barely need any force to press. i'm not some speed junkie that grabs my controller like my life depends on it.
>>726698085I'm impressed that yours is still holding up. Mine's in sad shape. It has a battery that dies in less than a second unplugged. I have to keep the USB connector wedged into place on the controller, otherwise the slightest movement will disconnect it. I have like a 25% deadzone on the sticks to account for the intense drift/jitter.
>>726698047Because valve is getting desperate for money. I dont need a controller that can and NEEDS to datamine my prints for frustration when the standard is logically idle on the matter.>Lets make a controller thats just a recycled deck apparent greed is greedful I wouldnt want to associate with these shit buttons. xbox makes better controllers
>>726725535>>726726587Don't mind the retard. He's stuck on the word "touchpad" and hasn't actually used the OG steam controller of a steam deck.What he's missing is that trackball mode (enabled by default) with thumb input is basically as precise as a mouse with no hassle.Understand this, the niggerfaggot still thinks about a laptop touchpad you use with your index finger instead of a thumbpad.
>>726734915Can you bind regions of the trackpad to different inputs?
>>726698907You're actually supposed to look at the monitor.
>>726735214You can. You can also bind swipes in different directions as different inputs.
>>726735214Yes. You can do a radial menu in slices or a grid.
>>726735158>a controller that can and NEEDS to datamine my prints for frustration when the standard is logically idle on the matterWhat?>xbox makes better controllersKek. Lmfao.
>>726735257Fuck that's awesome
>>726735162An actual physical trackball is worse than a mouse for gaming 100% of the time, let alone a shitty trackpad emulating a trackballAlso thumb trackballs are the most niggerlicious of trackballs, decent trackballs have fingerballs
>>726733983Steam input works with xinput though?
>>726735162If what you say is true every CS and DoTA pro would've been using steam controller.
>>726735395Now this troon is hung up on the word "trackball". It never ends when dealing with mongoloids, does it...
>>726735401Not with the four back buttons, two extra shoulder buttons, or CZ buttons it doesn'tGranted, dinput on previous Flydigi controllers only exposed about three of those to Steam afaik
>>726735483How did you come to that conclusion?Why would something that's basically as precise as a mouse be something to switch to when you have 15 years of muscle memory on mouse and keyboard for your job? You'd be crippling yourself until you learned all your flicks and shit.
>>726698047This is a message for everybody in this thread, do NOT give valve your money they will monitor you during your leisure time you have no clue what kind of usury these retards can pull with simply the software on your computer im convinced they fried my ram because I outrigged company queues
>>726735546You can bind them with the controller software, Anon.
>>726735897Which you need to leave open at all times if you have any keyboard or mouse binds on those buttons
>>726735296Did you ever go to school to learn reading?I tried the deck, id know
>>726735660Why wouldn't pro fps players use the steam controller if it's just as precise as mkb yet is also more ergonomic? If it were really true you'd see people switching similar to how fighting games are mostly played on hitbox instead of joystick now.
>>726735963I'm sorry what's the problem here?
>>726734915>it can serve as extra face buttons or let you take recordings, screenshots, alt tab, Lossless Scaling hotkeys, open emulator settings, etc without putting the controller down.Already got that on my $10 controller lol
>>726698256This isn't 2015 anymore, controllers are much, much more expensive now. If they price it at the cost of the original Steam Controller I'll eat my hat but I'm doubting it.>>726698385This controller ironically seems a lot more feature rich than those shitty premium controllers Sony and Microsoft put out. If it ends up cheaper than them it could stomp them out.
>>726736196xbox controllers are only $50. granted they have no extra features at all but they're damn good controllers
>>726698047Easy, the transparent version >>726705891 is only for show and won't be for sell.
>>726736129Needing to make a compromise with chink always-on software that doesn't exist from its competition. With the Vader 3 Pro, having the software open would also make it drop inputs intermittently which was occasionally annoying for keyboard binds but made the gyro outright unusable. Dinput gyro just worked without issue.
>>726736357>implying I won't get a 3rd party shell for $8
The biggest issue I have with the steam deck is the d-pad is the worst conceived this generation.I don't know anything about it being good or bad on this new controller. And I'm not gonna risk paying over $100 which is what it will cost on a controller that doesn't have a d-pad worth using. Hell right now I'm using an assortment of fucking mods just to make the d-pad bearable on the Deck and I'll be honest, it's not great. Well also I can't buy one because it's not even out yet. Where the fuck is it?
>>726698047i got no monies
>>726698047I was going to but it took them way too long and bought a Pro Controller, I'm still going to wait impressions and maybe buy it for when I get a Steam Machine.
>>726717260What's sad is that even modding it it's not great.I have a clicky kit -and- a 3D printed d-pad piece to use with xbox elite interchangeable d-pads. Which took a while to install btw. Even with mechanical switches it's messy to get diagonals going. I don't understand. I think there's a software issue somewhere too.
>>726736014What "prints" is the Steam Controller datamining? The only one that needs to go to school here is you, esl-kun. You previous post was basically incomprehensible.
>>726736543What compromise? You leave it running in the background and forget. Do you also seethe that steam makes you keep the launcher open to play games?
>>726735485He's right, faggot. Trackballs are vastly superior to trackpads, neither are anywhere close to a mouse.
>>726698047I don’t play that many controller games. I play forza motorsport and some rally games once or twice a year the rest is all mkb multiplayer slop.
