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Play the fucking piano, Verso.

Not so fast you lying cunt

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Hey, Verso here.
I fucked my sisters. ALL of them.
>Clea
>Palicia
>Alicia
>Maelle
Problem?
A couple hundred years on the piano is a small price to pay for premium sistersex.

BUMP THE THREAD, DEAR BROTHER

Your suffering will never end Verso

Yeah yeah the piano won't play itself, chump

>>726771532
PARRY IT

>>726771532
Shut up and play that piano you suicidal god damned snake

>>726771532
>NOOO, MAELLE YOU CANT JUST LIVE A REGULAR 80 YEAR OLD LIFE HERE WITH YOUR LOVED ONES AND THEN LEAVE
>IGNORE THE FACT THAT A WHOLE LIFETIME HERE IS LIKE A WEEK OUTSIDE
>LETS NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE VALUEABLE SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE YOU COULD LEARN HERE
>ITS BASICALLY FREE COLLEGE, YOU THINK YOUR DAD CAN PAY THAT WITH THE HOUSE DESTROYED AND ALLL?
>ANYWAYS, GO ABORT SCIEL UNBORN CHILD AGAIN

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Favourite piano piece?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg9cE-ceso

Man I just finished the game, cant believe I missed 6 months of shitposting. Beautiful, I am still really sad.

The real victims were the people living in the canvas. Verso is right, everyone is a hypocrite.

>>726779109
Don't worry the shitposting is about to get even more annoying in a couple weeks.

>>726779260
A life to shitpost...The cycle doesnt end.

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>>726779109
Oh, you missed out alright bud. I'm feeling charitable so I'll drop some of my folder.
Also, you'll have a chance to relive some of that magic when King of /v/ starts.

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>>726779109

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>>726771532
No. Maelle for Smash Bros 6!

>>726779386
Good to know I wasnt the only one thinking SMT and demiurge references.

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>>726779109
Fuck off Hiroshimoot with your anti-spam measures.

Do you think the last update will give us a NEUTRAL ending where women just fuck off from the canvas forever so people inside can just live their lives.

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>>726779109
Another one.

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Go take a nap
AND THEN GET BACK TO PAGE 1

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>>726779109
>oh, hi, Alicia! Almost forgot about you. I'm know hanging out with this hotter and not horribly mutilated version of you. She can laugh and breath without pain and we crack funny jokes all the time. You'd want to do it too, admit it!
>I am planning on sacrificing you, my real sister, to save her, by the way. But it's a spoiler, 'kay?
>you know I killed our dad, right? Hope you didn't get too lonely without him. He was the last member of our family who spent time with you, after all
>I also got rid of every single person in this world, so now no one will think you are an ugly freak, so you won't ever need your mask. Great news, right?
>oh, remember when you tried to plead to me to try to save this world and achieve peaceful resolution? yeeeeaaaaahh I decided it's not gonna work out, because... I just did okay? trust me, it will better, when I just kill everyone who trusted me and then myself
>the letter you wanted me to give to Maelle? I wiped my ass with it. Here, check out the shit stains
>...
>...
>...
>FUCK YOU MAELLE WHY DID YOU GIVE HER AN EASY WAY OUT? I WANTED TO BREAK HER HEART EVEN MORE!

If Geoff is smart he will recreate the piano scene live at TGA.

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>>726779109
Maelle-sama?!! You've come back to the painting?!! After I tried for ONE-HUNDRED YEARS to try and save our mother from KILLING HERSELF in a FICTITIOUS REALITY that she TRAPPED herself because she couldn't HANDLE the fact I BURNED TO DEATH saving your life?!? Huh?!? You're decided to keep the TROLLEY going FULL STEAM AHEAD?!? Instead of MERCIFULLY letting this ABOMINATION die where a bunch of power-tripping RETARDS played GOD with human lives in PETTY FAMILY DRAMA, you're going to TRAP and BETRAY the last vestige of both me and your REAL LIFE BROTHER, who DIED saved you from an AGONIZING DEATH out of his LOVE, in a DEMIURGICAL HELLSCAPE?!?! And to add INSULT to INJURY you're going to make me watch Alicia, Clea and Renoir DIE HORRIBLY, and you're not EVEN GOING TO BRING THEM BACK??! You want TWO brothers and my personal happiness would GET IN THE WAY OF THAT?!?! And to add insult to injury you're not even going to bring Julie, whom I loved and am haunted in my nightmares by for harming, BACK?!!? You're going to let her stay DEAD?!?!?! You don't care about my feelings in ANY CAPACITY, despite EVERYTHING BOTH Versos have done for YOU?!?! Well what can I say but YABBBA DABBA DOOOOO! WHERE'S THAT PIANO?!!?

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>>726779109
I’m going to kill your friends. Then your family. I’ll make you watch your brother die—just in case it might inconvenience me someday. After that, I’ll lecture my father on the meaning of family… before I kill him too. I’ll lie to you about everything—your actions, their purpose—because explaining the truth is hard, and I’d rather you unknowingly destroy your hometown, loved ones, and comrades.

Remember my sister? She wants peace. She believes we can talk things through. She wrote me a letter full of hope—one I’ll never share. I’ll convince her not to kill herself, all while making her life so miserable that staying becomes the crueler option. I’ve had 100 years to accept these fake memories of a man I never was, and even though you all support me as my own person… I’ll still kill everyone in Lumiere for the sake of the woman who created me.

You’ve forgiven me—again—for everything. So I’ll hesitate briefly. But Alicia once lied to Renoir after getting 16 years of chaos injected into her brain, so naturally, I must now kill you all. Clearly, there were no alternatives.

Now: suicide. It's morally grey, and totally for her. I mean, you saw what happened with Aline. The Dessendre tried nothing, and it didn’t magically work out. So that’s proof, right?
It has to be, otherwise I would have to think back on the time I gaslit and killed my girlfriend over a minor misunderstanding I did not even try to explain.

We’ll never know who’s right. Just endless fog, ambiguity... and a piano.

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>>726779109

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>>726780043
And a Verso version.

Maelle is so fucking pathetic that once she knows the truth she dyes her hair white, like she is making an OC in this make believe world.

>>726779453
Does this scene only play once when you meet Sciel?

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>>726771532
not like this

If the whole "Verso's soul is tortured forever" aspect wasn't shoehorned in, then Maelle's ending would be objectively correct over Verso

If this was any other JRPG you faggots would cheer for the teenage girl to end God's life so they can enjoy their infinite together in a world without God.

But no, put one sad old married french couple and its suddenly correct to genocide the universe.

>>726781010
Maellle shut the fuck up and go get a job, we dont want to clean your shit while you are high on chroma.

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>>726781184
NOOOOOOO PAPA NOOOOOOO VERSO PLEASE JUST ONE MORE HIGH PLEASE ILL PUT DOWN THE METH PIPE SOON I SWEAE PLEASEEEEEEEEE

>>726781125
If it was any other JRPG Verso and Maelle's relationship would contain incest

>>726779715
holy fuck

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>>726781376
Name a single JRPG with incest other than Black Souls 2

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>>726780109
You mean a correct version?
All this Maelleposting is just ironic, right? Sometimes I worry just given the state of discourse about this game. Nobody could seriously be dumb enough to side with her though?

Does Verso ending plays different if you didnt romance Sciel? That last touch felt very personal. Almost understanding.

Obviously Lune is an asocial, immature fuck so fuck her.

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>>726781492
All of them

>>726781640
Did I misunderstand that part? Maybe I looked away, but it seemed like she was going for the touch, but pulled back at the last moment.

>>726771532
why does this game look like shit in every screenshot I see?

>>726781695
She did but she did try at first. Just wondering since Sciel was the one comforting Veso while her nonMom was having a covid attack. I know you can romance Lune so I was wondering if the cutscenes could change a tad.

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>>726771767
But enough about Alicia!

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>>726781607
Maelle is the correct (read: less bad) choice if you view the people of Lumiere as real people. E33 then turns into a gnostic story where the dysfunctional family of greek gods plays with mortal lives due to their petty drama.

>>726781738
enlighten us oh god of graphics

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>>726781849
>Dude, it's actually a gnostic story. You can't take away Steve's crack pipe, what about the people he hallucinates???
Maelleniggers I swear

Is this game antinatalistic?

What would had Gustave wanted or done? This game has a lot of motifs but the "For those who come after" kinda disappeared after Act 1

>>726782021
gustave would have wanted what was best for maelle but verso the liar let him die so nobody knows

>>726782102
He got late okay.

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>>726781849
>view the people of Lumiere as real people.
maybe before they all gommaged and were then restored (with dubious quality, except for the people she knew very best) by alicia. after that fact? not a chance amigo
maybe once you have some developed some maturity and emotional intelligence you will be able to look past your imaginary friends too

>>726782102
oh, ok, so he would have wanted Verso's ending then. glad we're in agreement

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>>726781963
>Speaking to the Washington Post, Broche insists that the story and particularly its two divisive endings should be left up to interpretation. But one thing he's adamant about is that Sandfall Interactive intended for players to connect with both the world and its beloved characters as if they're real and human – despite being created with brush strokes.
>"If you don't, it means we failed as writers, so yes, I hope you do," Broche explains.
Just because they're created does not make them any less real.

>>726782021
I think Gustave may have pushed for Verso's ending. He'd love nothing more than to spend more happy times with his sisterdaughter, but he also wants her to be healthy and strong, and if he knew that extended stay within a Canvas is basically suicide, he'd want her to leave.

Whats so bad about becoming a musician that makes your entire family mad. "He who covers the truth with lies" Bro just wanted to play piano.

>>726782119
saar
>>726782136
I don't agree with idiots that like that terrible movie

>>726771532
Ten thousand years in the piano mines, that ivory won't tickle itself Verso

>>726782143
>Maelle I love you and if you love me too you would leave and never come back
ITS THAT EASY.

Renoir treated everyone with respect so paintings are sentient, its not up to debate.

>>726781237
ALICIA GO TO THE BATHROOM NOW, YOU ARE SHIT-TING YOURSELF, I CAN SMELL IT

>>726782142
I did connect with them, it made the (correct) choice to sacrifice them so the Dessendre family can heal a lot more difficult, but it was still the correct choice.
Saying "you should be able to connect with them as if they're real" is not confirmation that they are, retard-kun. I connect with Lune the same way I connect with Balthier, or Mark Watney, or Travis Coates. Yet I don't feel crushing guilt every time I turn off my computer after playing FF12 because Balthier suddenly ceases to exist or something like that, that's absurd.

>>726782143
>and if he knew that extended stay within a Canvas is basically suicide, he'd want her to leave.
He'd probably never find out, unfortunately. Not until it was too late. Alicia would obviously never tell him this, and Verso is too cagey, he'd probably try and tell Gustave in some outlandishly manipulative way.

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>>726782180
sorry, should i post a frog next time dumb tourist?

>>726782487
you should go back to gaia or whatever shithole you came from

>>726771532
>Verso wants to end the family madness
>Maelle doesn’t want it because "muh trauma"
>he has to live knowing he isn’t real and is being used as substitute

my boy is right and he needs to rest

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>>726782414
>I did connect with them, it made the (correct) choice to sacrifice them so the Dessendre family can heal
This is cuckoldry. You sacrifice actually good people who fought for their right to exist to save some family of utter irresponsible retards half of which want to wither and die anyway.

Play nice or I will burn this canvas.

>>726778750

Chopin is the undisputed master.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_iI1J0bALE

>>726782597
If he isn't real, then his "suffering" also isn't real. Not any more than Lune's or Gustave's.

Alicia I cant take you seriously with that chuuni ass hair, please dye it back. Your paintsona is cringe.

>>726782021
I think Gustave would have pushed for a more hopeful version Maelle ending -- one with a time limit. Revive everyone, give everyone the remaining years they had taken from the Gommage, and in 50-60 years have Maelle/Alicia leave and be their world's living legacy. Basically what Maelle promised in the first place, but Gustave would be there to keep her from going off the deep end.

>>726782652
If Lune's and Gustave's suffering isn't real, then Renoir and Verso aren't in the wrong.
Of course, they AREN'T in the wrong, but not for the reason you're claiming

>>726782605
>No, she doesn't need to heal with her family and move past the unspeakable tragedy they have collectively endured... her painting boyfriend will keep her happy :-)
yeah sure and i'm the cuckold
The only irresponsible retard is Aline. She is the villain in this story and you are either braindead or immature to think otherwise. Everything that happened happened because of her unhealthy coping mechanism.

>>726782653
Frankly her post-Reacher haircut is Maelle's best 'do. Don't be hating.

>>726782136
If a godlike figure suddenly appeared and told you sorry senpai you're all fake, would you instantly go and off yourself?

Trust, true ending where Gustave survives.

>>726782896
He didn't survive, thoughbeitfully. He died. Renoir killed him. Even if Renoir didn't, the gommage would have after Aline was banished. The specimen in Alicia's ending is just her recreation of Gustave, entirely a facsimile just as painted Verso is a facsimile of the dead Verso.
There's no ending where Gustave survives just like there's no ending where Verso didn't die in the fire.

>>726782881
No, retard. Where did I say that I would? I would fight in whatever way that I could, not that there'd be any meaningful way to do it. And if he could prove his claim I would accept it and carry on. And if he wiped me from existence because I wasn't real, then I wouldn't continue to exist to be bothered by it. What is your point?

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come to page 10..

The people of Lumiere are:
>capable of independent thought
>capable of feeling emotions
>capable of rebelling against their creators
They are real and sentient.

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>>726781849
Counterpoint:

>>726781010
Pretty sure that part was taking inspiration from the short story 'The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas' in which a utopia is powered by the unimaginable suffering of a single person, and the titled people who walk away reject that reality. So its not really shoehorned in, it's just something you can accept or can't to justify Lumiere's existence.

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>>726782653
We need an edit of this

>>726781010
>If not for this incredibly important fact that you have to look past to make Maelle's ending morally justifiable, Maelle's ending would be the good one!
Wow that really makes me think.
If the whole "the people of Lumiere are real" aspect wasn't shoehorned in, you'd be crazy not to side with Verso! Am I right, fellow moral philosopher?

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Gustave is a suicidal cuckold. Tried to shoot himself, rushed Renoir when he knew it was a pointless suicidal move. The fake brother figure is swept under the rug immediately to be replaced by the true brother figure, Verso, who then proceeds to rizz his little sister without effort. Gustave is KWAB of the year, he serves ZERO purpose besides dying like a dog.

>>726782834
>The only irresponsible retard is Aline.
Wrong.
Renoire doesn't want to take any responsibility for painted world either and just wants to fuck everyone over for the his own family.
Alicia doesn't want to find any good solution for Lumiere and just wants to enjoy life and everyone else can get fucked once she dies.
They created a living world because of their own shitty problems and want to kill everyone to deal with their own shitty problems. They shouldn't have created Lumiere, but once created they should take responsibility. They don't deserve godlike powers of creation. None of them deserve to be healed.
>are either braindead or immature to think otherwise
Right back at you.

Act 2 maelle feels way more mature and adult than act 3. Its like Maelle died and suddenly Alicia is larping as her.

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>>726771532
You're supposed to be dead! You are not REAL!

>>726783406
Act 3 Maelle is season 8 Daenerys. Becomes insufferable, totally unrecognizable.

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>>726781010
>Verso's soul is tortured forever
This is retarded headcanon. He is conflicted at worst.
And seeing how destroying canvases isn't a standard procedure once painter dies, it's obviously not a big deal to them that there are pieces of artist souls painting forever after death.

>>726783449
wtf he's 26 years old? i thought he died as a shota

>>726783143
ohhh wife
you buy too much sheet music
now we are homeress

>>726783376
Shut the fuck up Clea.

>>726783483
This is true.
Verso's soul is gooning while watching the people of the canvas do their thing. Having sex, undressing, etc.

>>726783547
Lol this nigga gurl's name is really clay-uh. no wonder she's pissed kek

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>>726783497
No, the tortured remnant of his soul is portrayed as an abused child. Presumably this was done to make it obvious how bad Maelle's ending is from a moral perspective, unfortunately people somehow still miss out on it.
But Verso was a man when he died. I mean, he's repeatedly stated to be Alicia's older brother, Anon-kun.

>>726783376
>Renoire doesn't want to take any responsibility for painted world either
Only because it's destroying his wife and tearing his family apart, can you really blame him for this? He does admit to feeling guilt that the canvas' inhabitants have to die so his family can be saved.
>Alicia doesn't want to find any good solution for Lumiere and just wants to enjoy life and everyone else can get fucked once she dies.
Yes, this is one of many reasons why Maelle's ending is the bad one. Or at least, the worse one.
>They created a living world because of their own shitty problems
No, Verso created a living world because that's what Painters do. Aline is the one who made trouble in that world because of HER shitty problems, nobody else's. THEY didn't create Lumiere. SHE did.

>This family has been struck by tragedy and isn't healing in a way that's healthy so... so... so they DESERVE TO SUFFER!!!
you must be a great comfort to your friends in times of grief. just kidding, nobody as insipid as you could have friends

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>>726771532
STOP comforting the tortured soul of that dead child and call me Maelle RIGHT now, Verso, my flesh-and-blood brother alongside whom I grew up with and was raised and who is alive in this, the real world.

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>>726778358
>>NOOO, MAELLE YOU CANT JUST LIVE A REGULAR 80 YEAR OLD LIFE HERE WITH YOUR LOVED ONES AND THEN LEAVE
Correct, she'll die in the canvas unless dragged out. Fortunately she has a good father who knows what's best, and learns to heal in the canon ending.

>>726783857
She's not the villain, she's a victim. Aline is the villain, though she too is a victim. Alicia only becomes the villain if you choose her ending.

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>>726779109
It's a daunting task to catch someone up on all the great stuff made in these threads, especially now that they're nothing but brown people finding new ways to seethe about this game being good. But I'll make some contributions.

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>>726781607
Chill out buddy, after all these months people are set in their ways.

why didn't the older sister just go to the canvas and kill everyone?

>>726784029
Yeah, but I didn't finish the game until a few days ago, and the internet revolves around me.
I have a distinct feeling this is going to end up like the A vs. B portal debate. Should we be so lucky

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Alicia's wrong. She's cute outside the painting

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I can't wait for King of /v/, it always spawns great material.

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>>726781978
No, the game doesn't really take any moral stances. It provides a lot of thought-provoking scenarios and leaves them up to you to interpret.

>>726784068
Uhh, bwo... Gotta do the endgame content sometime...

>>726784068
she was busy masturbating and changing the shit piles from renoir aline and alicia outside the canvas. Oh yeh, and busy "fighting" the writers a lil bit

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>>726782021
Genuinely we don't know. He was all in on sacrificing for Lumiere, but he also risked EVERYTHING to save Maelle. The beauty is his death is the mystery of his potential.

>>726784079
I think she's more distressed about being half-blind and mute rather than half-crispy bacon.

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>>726782142
>Just because they're created does not make them any less real.
I've always felt they were real and that it was obvious, but also that they're doomed in both endings and were meant to be tragic figures (the lumierens).

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>>726784071
Except A vs B has a correct answer, and it's B. Here, the devs made everything intentionally vague to get people talking. Look it up in the interviews, even their dev team is split 50/50 between Verso and Maelle.

I paint the Gustave ending

>>726784182
>Except A vs B has a correct answer, and it's B
Yeah, so does Verso and Maelle. The answer is Verso. What's your point?
>b-but the devs
The devs are engagement baiting. Don't be gullible

>>726784029
>right about everything
>can't even differentiate between his power trip that caused him to stay in a canvas and filial bereavement that caused his wife to
Absolute retard, he deserves to have his family fall apart but with how many morons default to lazy drug addiction comparisons I can see how he's so popular

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>>726782407
nice
>>726782605
nta but both parties are fighting for their existence. I support the lumierens right to fight for their existence but they lose in both endings. Maelle isn't restoring anything. I also support Renoir doing what's necessary to save his family. I'd sacrifice lumiere for my family. Both sides are justified in their struggle, but their victories are mutually exclusive. It's tragic.

>>726784079
>RUB CHROMA INTO YOUR BURN SCARS

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>>726782834
Best costume for maelle is baguette and painted me for the slick military look.

>>726784205
>Yeah, so does Verso and Maelle.
No it doesn't. We don't know how exactly paintings work, and we're getting conflicting information. Clea thinks they're not real, while Renoir and Verso think they are. Plus there's >>726783449, potentially making the Dessendre family fake too.

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>>726784294
We don't know how fictional non-existent portals work either, retard. Yet it's still obvious the answer is B. You'd have to be braindead not to realize this. Just as you'd have to be braindead to side with Maelle.

Why was Clea so insanely rude to Maelle? And did Renoir have to call her a living ghost?

>>726784282
>67
fr fr unc do zooms say lol lmao

>>726784316
what the fuck is that thing on the top?

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>>726779453
I can fix her chroma addiction

>>726784327
Clea is a bit of a bitch, isn't she. She is French, it comes with the territory

Who painted Lumiere and the people in it to begin with?

>>726781607
There's a lot of people here who are grief escaping in real-life and can relate with escapism from facing and dealing eith their problems

Of course retarded Bfags would side with Verso
It must be intentional, nobody could be that perpetually wrong

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>>726783406
Maelle knew a life of hardship and while that's not a great way to be raised, it did make her more capable than Alicia, who grew up with no concerns besides not being good at the family business and fucked everything up by hanging out with the rival gang.

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>>726783769
>No, the tortured remnant of his soul is portrayed as an abused child.
It's a child because he painted the canvas when he was a child. That shard of his soul will never age.

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>>726784376
>There's a lot of people here who are grief escaping in real-life and can relate with escapism from facing and dealing eith their problems
You don't want to know the damage my escapist tendencies have inflicted on my life. All the more reason I know escapism is bad and unhealthy and that Verso and Renoir are in the right.

>>726784327
Clea was always the closest to Verso, Alicia is at least to blame for his death a little bit more than not at all and her grief is otherwise being expressed via anger and aggression
It would be strange for her to not be a bit rude

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>>726784068
She's a dumb cunt larping as a tough gal to hide how broken up she is over verso's death.
>>726784238
He leaves the canvas and Aline reclaims ALL chroma AND is on guard for any future attacks. In other words, she's unassailable and dies in there 100%. So I'm afraid you're simply wrong.

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>>726784384
I'm a Bfag and I side with Maelle.

>>726784491
He was wrong to launch an attack on her at all
If for no other reason than he obviously couldn't win

>>726784507
Oh yeah? Well I'm an aGOD and I side with Verso. What do you have to say to that bRAT?

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>>726784360
The average golden-route poster.

>>726784554
>If for no other reason than he obviously couldn't win
What the FUCK are you talking about dumb Maellenigger? He WAS winning, that's the whole reason the Gommage exists, it was just taking longer than he wanted. Then he DID win because Aline was ultimately expelled.

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>>726784375
Aline, of course. Verso made the canvas, Esquie, the gestrals, the grandis, and most if not all of the terrain and locations. Clea painted (most) nevrons and francois. She also made the flying manor and simon/painted clea (such as she is). Renoir made the axons and the nevrons around them (in old lumiere, the reacher, sirene, and visages), and Aline made Lumiere and the Lumierens.

>>726784617
He was slightly ahead of a stalemate AFTER Clea who was skilled enough as a painter to be able to paint over Aline's creations went out of her way to help him by creating Nevrons
Renoir never stood a chance against Aline and he admits it

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>>726784554
>If for no other reason than he obviously couldn't win
Nah he almost pulled it off, and if his "capable" daughter wasn't such a cunt she would've bitch-slapped the fully-occupied Aline out of the canvas instead of going around trying to recruit people and enslaving her painted self. Aline didn't want to talk and had already chosen suicide by canvas as a way out of grief. Renoir had two options: force her out or let her die. He forced her out, and it worked.

>>726781849
Non omnipotent Gods are not real Gods, they are not on the same level as a nigga who clawed his way out of pure nothingness to create eternity. That incomparable being if he exists is the only one who can save our souls after we die, and likewise he would be the only one who could save the souls of the people of Lumiere, so Maelle really needed to chill out and let Jesus take the wheel

>>726784617
>Then he DID win because Aline was ultimately expelled
By Alicia who would never have needed to enter the painting to help him in the first place if he didn't start a fight he couldn't finish, then he gets to fail to eject her too

>>726783769
>Only because it's destroying his wife and tearing his family apart, can you really blame him for this
Yes, I can, are you retarded? Imagine some guy destroying entire world and killing all your loved once, because his wife had a woman moment.
>Aline is the one who made trouble in that world because of HER shitty problems, nobody else's. THEY didn't create Lumiere. SHE did.
That doesn't matter, they all have the same godlike powers over this canvas and it's their common shared family problems that caused that and they all should have responsibility.
Lumiere isn't a toy they can play around and discard. You assuming otherwise is sociopathic.
When Aline was forced out of the painting Renoire should've exited it too and took their problems into their world. But he took an easy route and killed thousands just for his own selfish gain. It's not even a case of imminent 100% unavoidable death of either his family or Lumiere. People deal with death of a family member all the time in the real world. It's just easier for him to kill everyone to deal with his wife. Because again Dessendre are a bunch of retards who can't talk things out.
Again, you have to be sociopathic to think that their shitty problems that millions of families around the world resolved without hurting others take precedence over lives of thousands of people Lumiere and other sentient races that were still alive during the end.
>>This family has been struck by tragedy and isn't healing in a way that's healthy so... so... so they DESERVE TO SUFFER!!!
They deserve to suffer, because they play around with life and genocided entire city because of their own family drama.
And who are you even quoting? The voices in your head? Keep talking to them then.

>>726784375
Aline did.
Verso (and Clea) plainted the landscape, the Gestrals, Grandis, Esquie, and Francois when they were kids as a playground. Hence why everything outside of Lumiere is fun, wild, colorful and childlike.
Then Aline showed up.
She wanted to recreate her family so she drew Lumiere so they would have a familiar place to live with people that arent ungabunga cartoon characters.
Then her family realised she's in the painting. Clea and Renoir entered to drag her out.
Renoir made the Axons, a surrealist interpretation of his family, as power source to fight Aline since he is weaker than her.
Clea made the Nevrons to destroy the painting, especially Lumiere, Aline's creation, from within so Aline would give up and leave.
Aline won and contained Renoir under the monolith. But she barely won so she's weakened, cant leave his prison, and can only warn her creations of Renoirs slowed but steady attempt to destroy them.
Clea left to fetch Alicia and to actually deal with the real world.
Note time flows much slower in the painting. In the real world, it all probably happened in a few days, but basically a century passed in Lumiere.

https://youtu.be/GhwmZ_U8Ff0 does this cutscene happen in act 1 or 2?

>>726784737
>he almost pulled it off
It was going to take him a century of suckling at the chroma siphon Clea set up for him to be steong enough to do anything, he did not almost pull it off

a game for brainlets by brainlets

>>726783406
>Its like Maelle died and suddenly Alicia is larping as her.
because it is

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>>726784831
>They deserve to suffer, because they play around with life and genocided entire city because of their own family drama.
the life that wouldn't have existed without the painters is now doomed to non-existence (exactly what they would have had if Painters didn't exist)
how awful

>>726785064
Ok cool any one of your parents, grandparents or great grandparents are free to murder you at any time at it's just fine

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>>726783287
The best I can do is an extremely lazy one.
>>726784831
I'd do everything in my power to stop him if I were a lumieren and everything in my power to save my wife if I were Renoir. That's what people do. Aline should've have chosen to kill herself instead of grieving with her family.
>>726784895
Still beat.

>>726784648
Clea made the Nevrons. Thats why the "good" nevrons you meet keep talking about the "mistress" that is missing.
That's because Clea left for handle the real world.
Before leaving she overpainted Aline's Clea to keep drawing Nevrons in her stead, and corrupted Simon to destroy her dad's Axon of her.
It seems like dedaces for the people in the painting, but for Clea its barely the time she left the painting to call Alicia to the study IRL.
Then Clea came back to the painting after Alicia when she realised her sister fucked up and is reincarnated instead of just showing up. Clea showed up just to tell painted Verso everything and to watch over "Maelle", which is when painted Verso started going against painted Renoir's wishes to protect the Paintress/Aline.

>>726785184
Kek

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>>726785064
>the life that wouldn't have existed without the painters
Correct, and at that point that should've taken responsibility.
>is now doomed to non-existence (exactly what they would have had if Painters didn't exist)
>how awful
You are LITERALLY arguing in favor of post natal abortion negro.
Once their family drama resulted in sentient people being born, they HAVE to take care of that life. If they don't they deserve everything bad coming their way.
Nuff said.

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>>726785213
Clea made the original nevrons, but the ones in the continent are mass produced by painted clea. She's the mistress and it's why they refer to being able to see her or catch glimpses of her, because she's still in the canvas, imprisoned in the flying manor. Just a small detail I disagree with you on.

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>>726785181
That isn't what I said. Child bearing is not like what the Painters do. It's not surprising that an unlovable virgin like you doesn't understand this, but then, it's probably good you won't have children. I wish your parents had aborted you.

>>726785298
>Before leaving she overpainted Aline's Clea to keep drawing Nevrons in her stead
We agreed on the same thing anon.

>>726785184
>and everything in my power to save my wife if I were Renoir
I'd do to, but that would include physically removing my wife as far away from canvas as I can and preventing her from going back into it before committing genocide.

>>726785307
That is what you said, I understand that you can't see that so I'm spelling it out for you.

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>>726785283
>Once their family drama resulted in sentient people being born, they HAVE to take care of that life. If they don't they deserve everything bad coming their way.
I dare you to go into a woman's shelter, or an orphanage, or a half-way home and say this. How can you have such an outrageously blind and simplistic worldview. Are you actually, truly, honestly mentally deficient?

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>>726785283
>You are LITERALLY arguing in favor of post natal abortion negro.
nta but this is a situation unlike anything in real life. If you believe nothing awaits you after death (and oblivion is certainly the end result for the painted people if the canvas is erased) then the victim of a murder is the society that grieves the slain. Some might say you can then go around murdering hobos no one cares about, but there's a very simple argument that not punishing and preventing random murders degrades society and makes everyone's life worse. IF, however, IF you could press a button and EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH AND THE EARTH ITSELF disappeared in an instant, and there was no one to mourn its loss and no victim to perceive its own state of being wronged? That's unthinkable, and I'd do everything in my power as an earthling to stop it from happening, but once it happened, the harm is over. Once the canvas is erased, the only victim is Alicia. She's the only person in the world who is hurt by the action ones its taken (besides maybe Aline still missing painted verso, but that was always just a stand in for missing real verso so that bitch probably forgets about the second son she made). It's extremely un-intuitive to consider, but that's how it is.

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>>726785332
I know, I meant the nevrons referring to real Clea as the mistress. I typed the first part before reading the rest of your post because I'm a retard and expected to disagree more, then I didn't delete it.

>>726785283
>heh... 'nuff said. That'll show them. *tips fedora*

>>726785503
>Admitting to one's mistake
Fellow Versochad spotted. How are you mon ami

>>726785358
Are you fucking we me? Are you being dense or disingenuous on purpose? In this case taking care of life means fucking off and just not genociding it. Do shelters usually take care of mass murderers?
If a family kills their born sentient child to fix their own problems, they absolutely deserve to suffer. What the fuck do woman shelters and orphanages have to do with this case? People who kill their one born child are put in jail, not in a shelter. And this Dessendre family killed thousands.
Disingenuous fuck.

>>726771532
I watched both endings though I did pick Verso first and while I think the Verso ending is genocide, I have to say it's better because it's gay bringing characters back to life, especially someone who sacrifices himself like Gustave.

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>>726785542
I always admit to my errors in these threads. Because we're buddies. I'm doing great mon ami, I was delighted to see some of the images I made posted in the meme dump earlier. How about you fellow canon-ending-selector?

>>726785358
You get that orphanages don't house the parents that abandoned their children, right? Why would anyone say that to the orphans?

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>>726785678
Don't worry, anon. Alicia didn't really bother bringing anyone back.

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>>726785626
>Are you fucking we me?
grim

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>>726785626
>Are you fucking we me?
uh oh melty
>If a family kills their born sentient child to fix their own problems, they absolutely deserve to suffer.
They're not Renoir's children, they're the human shields Aline put between him and saving her from herself. I support their right to fight for their existence, but unfortunately they lost, and even in Maelle's ending she doesn't care about bringing them back. The Lumierens were always meant to be a tragic, lost people. The game beats you over the head with this.

It's funny that if Aline didn't make the painted family special and immortal then Verso wouldn't be able to enter the portal and delete the canvas

>>726785734
You don't have to reply if you have nothing of worth to say. I take it you have conceded since you ignored everything in that post and this will be your last (you).
>>726785816
>They're not Renoir's children
He has the same godlike powers over their world and it's his family drama that resulted in their creation. He should take responsibility. He doesn't get to just wave away thousands of living people and murder them, because it's technically his wife that created them and not him.
Even if someone unrelated to Dessendre at all entered canvas and killed it's inhabitants it would be morally heinous.
>they're the human shields Aline put between him and saving her from herself
Except Lumiere acts against Aline until Act 3. And Renoire barely gives any fucks about them.
The only one who perceives them as "human shields" is us. You only call them that because you realize moral implications.

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>>726786095
>You don't have to reply if you have nothing of worth to say.
Don't be a hypocrite, you have littered this entire thread with your nonsensical tripe. If you really felt this way you'd have never started posting at all!
Please, I must insist you decease, not only because you are getting dunked on by a small militia of Versochads at this point, but because I fear I may not have enough smugs for this

>>726785816
>They're not Renoir's children
Doesn't matter. He needs to step up for his wife's kids.

>>726785464
Anon, if there's a family living secluded from everyone in a bumfuck nowhere, you don't get to murder them all just because nobody will mourn them.

>>726786145
>decease
I meant to say cease, but, frankly, that works too

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>>726786095
>my dumb daughter killed my cool son and my dumb wife decided to kill herself and create a civilization while doing so
>this is my fault
Nah you're just getting emotional about it.
>He doesn't get to just wave away thousands of living people and murder them
Apparently he does.

Why did Renoir leave red petals when he left the painting at the ending? Both Aline and Alicia left golden petals

>>726786228
Can't spell "Renoir did nothing wrong" without R-E-D.

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>>726786228
When people are gommaged by someone else, the petals are the color of the gommager. In some circumstances they're kind of passively gommaged or gommage themselves. Renoir's gommage is red. So when he lets himself out, shows Maelle/Alicia how to gommage painted renoir, and gommages lumierens, the petals are red. They're white for Aline, like when Verso is fading away outside the canvas or when people touch the barrier. They're gold for Alicia, like when she gommages Aline. It's a neat little detail.

>>726786225
His fault was not taking care of his bitch wife outside of the canvas and not resolving family drama without murdering thousands of other families who all loved each other and deserved to live.
>Apparently he does.
I take it as admission of the immorality of his actions. Good that we settled that.

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>>726786397
>His fault was not taking care of his bitch wife outside of the canvas
He didn't get the chance retard-sama, she rebuffed any attempt then immersed herself in her escapist false utopia. You DID finish Act 2, right?

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>>726786397
Aline refused to talk and chose to kill herself. She's shown to be fine once she takes a break and confronts her grief, so Renoir was right to save her. I'd do the same for my wife. I get that you're really upset at Renoir for personal reasons but I think you just need to take a break.

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>>726786397
>I take it as admission of the immorality of his actions.
what kind of insane logical leap is that? if you reply to this post, i will take this as admission that you are incorrect and also that nobody loves you

Maelletroons are genuinely mentally ill

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>>726786493
He's not even wrong on that, there's no good actions. The lumierens are asking Aline to die and for Verso's soul to remain imprisoned so they can live. They never asked to be created, but it's not fundamentally different than Renoir asking them to die so he can have his wife back. Renoir's is worse, of course, like the difference between stabbing a hobo and nuking hiroshima. I'm not defending Renoir's actions as objectively morally good, I'm defending them as the actions many, if not most, men would take to protect their families. I think that really bothers a lot of people who had shit fathers that couldn't bother to do a good job raising one kid, let alone spend 70 years trapped in hell fighting to keep their family together.

>>726786484
>She's shown to be fine once she takes a break and confronts her grief
That makes no sense though, that's not how heroin addiction works

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>>726786601
Ohhh. I see. Well then we should just let them continue doing heroin, after all, their own judgment in this matter can be trusted. Very enlightening

>friend begins playing this
>drops it halfway through just because he's an ADHD fuckwit
>keeps trying to go back to it
>I find out he's been playing it on Discord the whole time, skipping dialogue and not really paying attention
Why is everyone so fucking retarded

>>726786601
Sure it is. In this case there's precisely one (1) stash of heroin in the world, and her husband burned it. The physical withdrawals will be hellish but will go away after a relatively short time, and while she may feel its pull she'll never be able to succumb again because there's simply no more heroin.

>>726786435
>He didn't get the chance
He had the chance when Aline was kicked out. He could've exited it too and remove her from canvas in the real world. He took the easier route which included mass genocide.
>You DID finish Act 2
Did you?
>>726786484
>Renoir was right to save her
Nobody argues with that. I am arguing he and all Dessendre are irresposible and morally heinous, because they refuse accept responsibility for sentient life and instead choose an easy way out, because it's more convenient to them.
>>726786493
>what kind of insane logical leap is that?
My point was that his actions are immoral. The answer to that was essentially "might makes right". Which is absolutely an admission that his actions were immoral.

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>>726786657
>He could've exited it too and remove her from canvas in the real world.
Lol, no. Play the fucking game amigo. It's pretty obvious that unless he destroys the canvas she's just going to dive right back in as soon as she gets the chance. And if you don't believe me, look to the final boss fight where she does EXACTLY THAT.

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>>726786657
>He had the chance when Aline was kicked out. He could've exited it too and remove her from canvas in the real world.
esl aside she would've just gone back the first chance she got, which is exactly what she did. She's only okay in Verso's ending because the canvas is gone. Renoir knew his daughter was inside as well, she also had to be removed.
>I am arguing he and all Dessendre are irresposible and morally heinous, because they refuse accept responsibility for sentient life and instead choose an easy way out
That's Aline's responsibility and she is heinous. She involved an unknown number of people in her suicide plot. I can't pass the same judgment on Renoir, who was put in the difficult position of choosing the life of his wife and the security of his family, or the people his wife created in her grief. Especially when if his plan had worked the way he intended, they would've been snuffed out without being aware anything happened.

>>726779620
>I was forced to play the piano for all eternity
Maelle gave him mortality, so he'll die at some point I don't know what he's bitching about

>>726786745
Which could have been prevented by following her out and keeping her away from the canvas until she's stopped being hysterical

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>>726786840
>be an accurate recreation of a man who sacrificed his own life to save alicia from herself
>be forced to watch alicia slowly kill herself for the sole reason of wanting to watch you play piano until she dies
>"hurrr why dunt he liek that?"
brown

>>726781102
lmaooo this is the best one

>>726786843
>follow her out and physically restrain her while your daughter rots, collects all the chroma, and replaces aline
>or just nuke the canvas now and eliminate any risk
He made the right choice for his family. I wish your father had done the same.

Literally everything would have been solved if instead of trying to fight his stronger wife Renoir just used Painted Verso to talk Aline through her grief and have him convince her to leave, assuring her that she can always come back
Just like when he suggests exactly that to Maelle the only argument against it is that Renoir will destroy the place as soon as they leave
Renoir being a dipshit is why they can't leave even if they eventually want to

versofags are seriously unstable and should be locked up asap

>>726786745
>Lol, no. Play the fucking game amigo. It's pretty obvious that unless he destroys the canvas she's just going to dive right back in
Not if she is removed from canvas. Painters weren't shown to be able dive into canvas from a different room via wi-fi. At best they were shown to remain in it once it's taken away. Take your own advice and play the game.
>as soon as she gets the chance
It's Renoire's responsibility to never give her that chance AND not to mass murder other living families in the process.
>And if you don't believe me, look to the final boss fight where she does EXACTLY THAT.
She is diving back into canvas precisely because Renoire didn't remove her from it in the real world.
>>726786828
Read everything above, you both have the same points and I have the same reply.

Renoire is just as heinous as Aline. He had choice whether to take their drama into real world and go through more challenges to keep Aline from canvas. Or he could take an easy route and murder everyone, but it'll be easier to deal with Aline. His actions are evil, because he absolutely had choice, but he chose an easy route that included genocide.

>>726786952
Why so mad? Is Verso ending now part of your personality and you have to protect it as if you are being personally attacked?

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>>726786965
That happens. When the party confronts Aline Verso says, very gently and with a trembling voice, that it's time for her to go home. She immediately refuses to believe she's his creation and attacks. Verso didn't even know that he was a painted creation until Clea told them everything after the fracture. Aline created this world to pretend Verso was still alive until she died, complete with a replacement Renoir. There's no reason to believe she would've let the real Renoir near painted Verso or that she wouldn't have just repainted him if Renoir did recruit him. This whole mess is because Aline was utterly unwilling to speak, that was made explicit by the game. And retard after retard still wanders into thread after thread and says "why didn't they talk to her?"

>>726786381
Oh that makes sense and also explain why Verso's were red at the beginning of act 3 when Renoir was trying to gommage everything. But now that i think about it, they were also golden for Maelle at the end of act 2 when everyone was gommaged by Renoir so did she self gommage after seeing everyone get gommaged?

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>>726787070
It's not your fault.

>>726785298
>lust for power
dude she just wants to live a normal life, a life without having a face burned, being half blind and mute

>>726786952
His daughter will rot because he won't allow her to ever take a 12 hour break
Obviously she wants to stay as long as possible, it's understandable considering it's her home. It's Renoir that made it an issue of staying until she dies because she'll never be able to return

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>>726786916
>be forced to watch alicia slowly kill herself
I mean, he lost to a girl so he's the one to blame for it

>>726787028
>Not if she is removed from canvas.
Yeah she couldn't possibly just walk back into the room.
>It's Renoire's responsibility to never give her that chance
Spend all his time tard wranling his wife while his daughter kills herself? No thanks, I'd do what he did and save both of my family members.
>Renoire is just as heinous as Aline. He had choice whether to take their drama into real world and go through more challenges to keep Aline from canvas.
For the rest of their lives, all it takes is Aline convincing Renoir ONE time that he doesn't need to physically restrain her. And then she's back in the canvas, rested, in control of all the chroma, and ready to repel an attack. The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is if he physically restrains her for the rest of her their lives. And then Alicia is lost, because he can only be in one place.

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>>726787115
You're right, I don't have an answer for that. Maybe it's Alicia waking up since her mission is complete, only to decide to go back in once she wakes up in the real world with both sets of memories.
>>726787134
Nah, she just wants to pretend Verso's alive, like Aline. When she's first going in, she's motivated by escaping her crispy form, but by the end she's mindbroken and can no longer distinguish reality from fiction.

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>>726787194
She decided to stay as soon as she woke up in the canvas after the giga-gommage, and the first thing she says when Renoir says he still plans to destroy the canvas is "this is my home." She made her decision before their argument, while she fully believed papa would help her rebuild Lumiere.

>>726787080
>That happens
That doesn't happen, the moment you're talking about comes well after she's been attacked and has every reason to suspect deception. She needed to get through her trauma which could have been accomplished if Renoir hadn't instead decided to try to slap her into doing what he commands. She would rather die than be without Verso so of course she would be willing to dig in her heels at Renoir's approach. It's safe to assume that he told her that she would die and that he doesn't want her to, that's something that would have been 100x more effective coming from Verso's mouth before she was backed into a corner.

STOP QUOTING PUH-PA

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>>726787510
this shit was so funny and yet it didn't ruin that overall dramatic scene, how the fuck did they do it?

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Man not even signalis had peoples argue fervently about it for months

>>726787398
I know she wanted to stay, I mentioned that it was her home. The fact that it would be destroyed without her constant presence changes it from her not wanting to leave to her not being able to leave.

I'm gonna say it
women write better stories about people

I hate women btw

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>>726787495
>It's safe to assume that he told her that she would die and that he doesn't want her to, that's something that would have been 100x more effective coming from Verso's mouth before she was backed into a corner.
Why is it safe to assume? Aline was already insane with grief, when she made the decision to KILL HERSELF IN A CANVAS WITH A FAKE FAMILY. Your assumption that she could be reasoned with is entirely unsupported. The only CERTAIN way to save her was to force her out, and any other attempts to mess with the canvas would've just put her on guard and made the forcening less likely to work. The writers did a good job creating a scenario with no good way out.
>>726787545
They cared about what they were making
>>726787587
>changes it from her not wanting to leave to her not being able to leave.
Same difference, she decided to stay forever before she found out it would be destroyed. Whether she died there because she wanted to or felt she had to doesn't matter to a father that would prefer she lived.
>>726787609
the family stuff was written by the guy

Anyways it's bed time, goodnight maellefriends.

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>>726787580
>Man not even signalis had peoples argue fervently about it for months
that's why I always laugh when people say that "it was a mistake to bring the whole (the world was actually a painting simulation) to the plot" because ultimately it's the only thing people talk about since it raises really interesting philosophical questions

>>726787659
>Why is it safe to assume?
The alternative is that Renoir never even tried talking to her before The Fracture and effectively locking her in which is too stupid to entertain.
She was insane with grief, yeah. That's exactly why the subject of her obssession would be the best mouthpiece to get through to her that her family, Verso included, want her to live.

>>726787659
>Anyways it's bed time, goodnight maellefriends.
>tail between legs
grimmer still

>>726787770
not that anon
That's also why it bothers me how people call Lune and Sciel "irrelevant", they're extremely important as being the painted-people reps for the player to know. Sure plot-wise they're not as impactful towards the end as the literal gods of this world, but... yeah of course not and power levels aren't the most important part of a character

>>726787659
>she decided to stay forever
No, she decided not to leave with him there's nothing there to suggest that she was planning to kill herself in there at the time or that she ever would have if there was enough trust between the two

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>>726787909
>That's also why it bothers me how people call Lune and Sciel "irrelevant", they're extremely important as being the painted-people reps for the player to know.
for me they're still irrelevant, they're the worst characters to use as examples of painted people reps, Gustave was the best use case for that, a shame he died so early though

>>726787990
what is that look trying to convey?

>people still pretend alicia cares for lumiere
>had verso gotten gommaged too she would have 100% agreed to leave with her dad
Her ending is absolutely telling of her priorities.

>>726788110
maybe it's a hint that Maelle hates Verso because he let Gustave die, so in a way it was a form of revange to kill her painted sister without letting him give her a proper farewell

>>726788080
Why is Gustave any better for that? If anything he's worse, he's possibly the furthest from really being his own person despite being painted, he's a clear stand in for Verso tying his existence to Maelle. Gustave is the best case for painted people just being sock puppets for a family of gods that ultimately don't matter.

>>726788163
>>had verso gotten gommaged too she would have 100% agreed to leave with her dad
no, because she stays in the painting for multiple reasons
- yes, I agree with you she still can't cope with the fact her brother died
- but she also said that she has nothing to look forward in real life since her real self is a girl with a burned face who can't talk anymore

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>>726788163
that's the great thing about e33's characters, they're not blank slates like in a lot of other games. you the player are made to care about lumiere a lot, but alicia doesn't give a fuck about it. verso gets more hate because his display of not caring about the same things the player does (betraying the party) is a lot more obvious.

>>726788080
Gustave dying also mattered because it gave real weight and consequence to painted people's deaths later on, when you know they're painted. "Oh they're not real so it doesn't matter" cannot apply anymore after you've spent hours mourning someone who (((isn't real))), but at the same time it makes sense that Alicia's literally going to die in there, hence the interesting philosophical conflict.
Also if you don't like Lune and Sciel then whatever but you're wrong

>>726788260
>you the player are made to care about lumiere a lot, but alicia doesn't give a fuck about it.
why? all she wants is to protect lumiere from renoir

>>726788163
Never claimed Alicia cared about Lumiere
She has 0 reason to
Lumiere is Maelle's home and the character is neither fully Alicia nor Maelle by then

>>726788285
>Also if you don't like Lune and Sciel then whatever but you're wrong
Lune is fine, Sciel is a bad person though, when Maelle told her she could relieve her husband, Sciel was supposed to cut the ties with Verso, yet right after knowing that she asked Verso if he wanted to fuck her a last time, that's fucked up

>>726787223
>For the rest of their lives, all it takes is Aline convincing Renoir ONE time that he doesn't need to physically restrain her. And then she's back in the canvas, rested, in control of all the chroma, and ready to repel an attack. The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is if he physically restrains her for the rest of her their lives. And then Alicia is lost, because he can only be in one place.
Families have been successfully dealing with their family member's drug addiction for centuries in real life. And drugs are much more easily available and there are much more of them than one single canvas in the world. Alicia had a point, all Renoire had to do was to hide the canvas somewhere far away from them.
>Yeah she couldn't possibly just walk back into the room.
She wouldn't be able if he restrained her just like real families do all the time to their drug addicted family member.
>Spend all his time tard wranling his wife while his daughter kills herself? No thanks, I'd do what he did and save both of my family members.
Well just as I said there's a hard and moral way and then there's an easy and immoral way. You indirectly admit it's just easier to do what he did which is exactly my point. He took an easy route and murdered thousands in the process.
And regarding Alicia - Renoire was his own worst enemy when dealing with her. She only regained her memories because he gommaged everyone including Maelle. Had he not done that, he could've dealt with Aline and then btfo'd Alicia from canvas, being a much more skilled painter.

>>726788260
To me, the best thing about E33 is how it compresses information. Like, sure, they could make a 30 hour visual novel explaining every single character motivation and every facet of the setting in excruciating detail. But it would not make for a better story.
>It seems that perfection is attained, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away
-Antoine de Saint Exupéry

>>726787932
>Defends Maelle's ending without even watching it
Jesus christ Maellefags are embarrassing

>>726788550
yep, a good story is a story that lets some interpretations and doesn't explain everything, it would be so boring if everything was settled, that doesn't resonate with human nature, we are unique people and we always interpret things differently, and that game lets you do that

>>726781849
>Maelle is the correct (read: less bad) choice if you view the people of Lumiere as real people
Do you take your schizo people as real as well?
When you take your meds they all disappear.
Take your meds Anon

>>726788301
No, she wants to protect her little fantasy world where her brother is alive and she can be healthy from her dad.
She gives zero fucks about lumiere.

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>>726771532
Lying bitch got what he deserved.

>>726788485
>Families have been successfully dealing with their family member's drug addiction for centuries in real life
That really doesn't matter because this isn't a drug addiction, it's literally just wallowing in grief. As soon as she's processed her loss properly she can go back without relapsing like a junkie would

>>726779109
>The real victims were the people living in the canvas.
>Verso is right
So you killed the real victims?

>>726788621
>replies to posts without properly reading them
Yeah checks out

>>726788701
that's a weird thing to say, everyone want their city/country protected because they implicitly want to keep thriving in it, that's why people don't give a fuck when there's a city in africa bombed but they sure give a fuck when there's danger in their beloved New York city (9/11)

>>726788786
except the people in new york city actually live in new york city. alicia does not actually live in lumiere, idiotic moron-kun

>>726788727
poor maelle, Gustave didn't respect his promise (to leave the field if Renoir appeared) and Verso didn't either

>>726788786
Weird? Alicia's whole prerrogative to fight her dad is that
>she wants to protect her home
but she doesn't remotely give a shit about her home, it's verso verso verso I'm healthy verso

>>726788816
>except the people in new york city actually live in new york city. alicia does not actually live in lumiere
are you retarded or something? she lived in lumiere for 16 years, from her birth to the present day, she had 2 lifes

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>>726788485
>Alicia had a point, all Renoire had to do was to hide the canvas somewhere far away from them.
Hell, he could've even told those bitches he destroyed it. But it'd require a tiny bit more effort than wiping away countless other loving families with their own children in a snap of a finger

>>726788869
that was MAELLE, who died in the gommage after aline was banished, just like everyone else. not ALICIA. which is why i said ALICIA.
alicia lived in Lumiere the same way I lived in Shanghai when I dreamt about it the other night, moron.

>>726788915
Aline can pretty much teleport herself magically to the canvas.

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>>726788674
It's what I love about Shakespeare, the freedom of interpretation. I've seen adaptations where Prince Hal is portrayed as a naive idiot under the influence of Falstaff, a wastrel who redeems himself, and as a schemer who intentionally presents himself as a wastrel for political purposes.
Same thing applies to Macbeth, Hamlet etc. True mastery lies in ambiguity, in the story allowing for multiple interpretations. FMF's Good Soldier and Melville's Confidence-Man are particularly great at this.

>>726788816
Maelle did, an identity still contained within her

>>726788930
>that was MAELLE, who died in the gommage after aline was banished
absolutely not, she didn't die she was ejected from the painting, alicia still has the memories of maelle

>>726788915
>>726788485
These are people who have never tried to hide the stash from an addict
You could put that shit on the other side of the world behind six locked doors and they would find it

>>726788964
she was explicitly reborn as one of aline's creations, and thus gommaged with all the rest of aline's creations. you need to separate maelle from alicia (who starts going by the name maelle in act 3, because you know, escapism)

>>726781849
Nope. Verso is better for Lumiere too. They're all dead by that point, so the question isn't save them or kill them, but bring them back or let them rest. That, and Renoir won't let Alicia kill herself. He'll rest for maybe a few canvas decades before deciding it's time for Alicia to leave and kicking her out. It's also doubtful whether Alicia even has the skill to bring them all back properly. And the ending implies that Alicia is just playing god and the people of Lumiere are little more than dolls to her. Basically, they're already dead, might not come back the same, are doomed anyway in a couple decades max, and are possibly treated like toys by their god. At that point letting them stay dead is honestly better.

>>726788930
It's not the same as a dream at all, retard. She experienced it the same way as any other part of her life.

>>726788938
Why do you think that? Alicia's hiding the canvas plan was first accepted by Clea. Nobody ever brought up that she can just enter it from anywhere. Painters were shown to enter canvas only when they are close to it. They can still remain in the canvas if it's removed, but can't just reenter it from far away.

>>726789018
>you need to separate maelle from alicia
Nobody needs to do that because they aren't separate

>>726789018
>you need to separate maelle from alicia
I don't, alicia still has the memories of her 16 years life span in Lumiere, why do you want to pretend she has to forget all of that? it's retarded

>>726789042
Aline was super sick and barely able to move.
The canvas magically appeared in the atelier in the scene renoir shows Aline's state.

>>726789018
>she was explicitly reborn as one of aline's creations
Which is a figure of speech that Clea used because of how Aline had orchestrated Lumiere to work. What actually happened is that Alicia got painted over by Aline.
>you need to separate maelle from alicia
No you fucking don't. You just want to do that for your own asinine narrative to sound less retarded.

>>726789023
They are human except for the part where they should have dignity, you see.

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>>726789059
>Nobody needs to do that because they aren't separate
Well, Alicia needs to do it, for starters. And she is capable of it, at least to some extent, as the good ending reveals. You also need to do it because if you can't then you are going to grossly misunderstand the story that was presented to you.
>>726789081
Glad to hear it. She is decidedly separate from the painted Maelle much like the painted Verso is different, painted Clea, painted Renoir etc. The nature of the separation is different, but they are decidedly separate.

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>>726788674
>it would be so boring if everything was settled,
how unfortunate then that Verso's ending is so obviously correct. i wish they had made maelle's a little more compelling, perhaps by not showing her decline at the end, but just hinting at it

>>726789117
>much like
Nothing at all like, she's separate to Painted Alicia like that. Alicia and Maelle were two separate lives that have from Act II onwards converged and continue on as one

>>726789117
>but they are decidedly separate.
they are separate in a way that alicia has both the memories of real life alicia and maelle, but that also mean that alicia can be considered as both the citizen of real life paris and lumiere, so she has the right to care for each one of those worlds equally

>Versofags are DBSpics
Kekaroo

>>726789082
I'd take it as an oversight from devs, otherwise several dialogs wouldn't make sense. Nobody ever brings up Aline can just reenter it. Renoire just says "she will always find it". Clea has no objections. And Alicia insists it's a viable solution. I think the family of best painters in their world would recognize that hiding is a stupid plan if Aline could just teleport into it.

>>726784294
They are real and it's still Verso.

>>726789209
>i wish they had made maelle's a little more compelling, perhaps by not showing her decline at the end
it would lose all its value if they didn't show her health decline, some people are ok with escapism even if it ruins their health (alchool, drugs...), so it's a relevant ending because it's a highly realistic one that'll resonate with a lot of addicted people

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>>726789252
That image and its associated filename are a decade older than DBS, than /dbs/, and than you.
>Maellefags are tourists

>>726771532
VersoOoOooOOoOo0o

>>726789242
>so she has the right to care for each one of those worlds equally
But she doesn't. She cares about herself. She wants to stay in Lumiere because she isn't a mute piece of jerky like she is in the real world. That's a horribly cruel thing to say, but it is true. She isn't very subtle about it, either. If she cared so much about the painted folx, surely she wouldn't subject painted Verso (or the real Verso's soul, for that matter) to torment the way she does, right? She obviously loves her brother very dearly, but she is abusing him with her selfishness.

>>726779672
>women being reasonable
Yeah not a chance.

>>726788773
The Canvas is doomed no matter what. Renoir will burn it because either it kills Alicia or he pulls her out realizing she lied and burns it to stop her going back

>>726789387
>she wants to go and stay in that city because it beneficts her
says everyone ever? people often go to large cities because they have more chance getting a good job for example, I don't see how this would be considered controvertial, obviously you love your city because it provides cool shit for you
>She obviously loves her brother very dearly, but she is abusing him with her selfishness.
verso wants to nuke the whole world because he's the one in pain, he's really selfish as well

>>726789387
>making the guy that repeatedly attempted to kill everyone play some piano is basically torture so she doesn't care about anyone

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>That image and its associated filename are a decade older than DBS, than /dbs/, and than you.

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>>726789508
Do not post my KING and your SAVIOR, SHITgetaRAT. Begone from this thread at this juncture

>>726789414
to be fair, renoir also got sucked into the world and didn't want to leave, until aline brought him back to reality, so what renoir is doing is to return the favor

>>726789486
>beneficts
uh oh... sir... please not to be redeeming the maelle ending.... do not redeem...

>Verso gets to page 10
>4chan and every single poster is killed

>>726789550
Not understanding the difference between not wanting to leave because you're intoxicated by the pure act of artistic creation and not wanting to leave because you don't want to go back to having outlived your own child is why Renoir's approach failed so hard

>>726789583
Concession Accepted.

>>726789468
So? Time flows faster in the Canvas. They could keep living for decades before that happens.
If you found out we live in a simulation and your response would be SHUT IT DOWN then I would say just kill yourself. And if you can't then too bad. There's other people here who want to keep living some more.

>>726785946
literally me.

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>>726785946
>Interests: lying, excessive drinking
>exudes a hint of dishonesty
Based

>>726789648
>Renoir's approach failed so hard
what choice does he have though? he doesn't have much time, aline will die if she stays there for too long it's an urgency

>>726789672
>Capital mid-sentence
oh nein...
bitte lösen Sie es nicht ein, Sir.......

>>726789746
He had well over half a century

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>>726785946
>Artisan steampunk goggles

>>726789779
>half a century
which is like 2 days in the real world lol

>>726789759
>No capital at the begining of the sentence
Saar...

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Who would win in a ruining their siblings life contest, Marche or Verso?

>>726789746
>what choice does he have though
Actually address the root of WHY she won't leave. She knows that she'll die, she would rather die in there with a son than live out there without him. There's no making her see that she has to leave, she's not staying too long accidentally. Renoir fucked up and she pulled him out, Aline made an educated choice. He responded as if she's in the same boat he was and she just isn't.

>>726789856
>latin alphabet
大変だなぁ..

>>726789935
So true man. They are all just hypocrites doing the same thing to each other. Finally someone who understands CHADso and his correct viewpoint.

>>726789935
>Aline made an educated choice.
>she would rather die in there
are you fucking serious?

>>726789935
Based Aline, commit suicide so that only Renoir has to raise the remaining kids, who needs mothers anyway?!

>>726789935
>Actually address the root of WHY she won't leave.
She's grieving and needs help, and won't help herself, so Renoir has to do it the only way available to him. You are thick as molasses jesus christ

>>726790014
Yes
You think she plum forgot that staying in paintings can kill you? If living means leaving her constructed family then she would rather die.

>>726788964
>absolutely not, she didn't die
Maelle absolutely did die.
Alicia is a skinwalker.
Her personality is nothing like Maelle's. Maelle is suffocated by Lumiere, she wants to get away from it, she is adventurous and strong enough to get over Gustave's death to do what's right.
Alicia is literally exacty opposite. She has Maelle's memories, but her personality is not Maelle's She just took Maelle's name, because she is delusional.

>>726771532
damn this nigga can't even die on /v/

>>726790094
Aline is literally insane by the time you reach her.

>>726790086
Not that anon.
Not even arguing. I just wanted to add Renior is grieving too. He needs her as well. Also he's probably stressed from a fucking war on the outside with the writers. And he's a dad I donf think anyone has a fucking father anymore this is just how fathers are a lot of times.

>>726790105
>Her personality is nothing like Maelle's.
it's because Alicia has both Alicia's memories and Maelle's memories
>>726790094
>If living means leaving her constructed family then she would rather die.
so she prefers to abandon her husbands and her 2 daughters and kill herself? bruh how can you defend that? she's a terrible mother she has the responsibility stay with them

>>726790172
>by the time you reach her
Cool? The fuck does that have to do with when she decided to shut herself away in the painting?

>>726790105
You just typed something they both did.

Alicia/Maelle wanted to leave their home. Alicia left to the painting to become Maelle and did all that.

>>726790214
I'm not defending it, I'm saying that that's what needs to be addressed if she is to be helped.
Are you all just fucking with me?

I've just started E33, but is the image quality supposed to be this atrocious? I feel like I'm playing it while wearing dirty glasses, and the hair dithering is so bad it's actively distracting. I'm far from a graphics whore normally, but this is so glaring I'm surprised the reviewers didn't deduct a point or two just for the technical issues.