>>726932176
The other things make you a better cog in the machine, bindeo games are isolated entertainment where youre not being sapped of wealth or generating wealth for revenue else

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Video games are more addictive than most other forms of entertainment and they're also just huge time sinks, a bad combination. I used to draw a lot when I was a kid but stopped because I discovered video games were more "rewarding". Now as an adult I have more to show from my 5 years of drawing than my 20 years of gaming.

>>726932176
painting is a productive hobby, even if what you are making is shit
learning a language is a productive hobby that can enable you to do interesting things
there is inherent value in creating things & showing the potential for doing something interesting (even if that is something as silly as watching a foreign film without subtitles)
playing video games is "killing time" in the purest sense for most people

>>726932176
Playing an instrument and painting an painting is more analogous to developing a video game than playing one.

>>726932176
being good at a video game rarely translates to other useful, enriching, or productive skills

video game players don't have any social value. the reader can contribute knowledge, the musician can provide entertainment, the soccer player provides impressive physical feats and a chance to return to primitive tribal dynamics through fandom etc. that's really all there is to it. you can make your gaming more valuable by streaming it to others, building an audience so you can create value for advertisers and so on.

>>726932353
So other hobbies are usually pro-social, while video games are isolating?

>>726932827
>>726932528
There has to be some social perception at play. Reading books and playing video games are solo activities but one has more cultural respect. You could say they're both inherently just consuming media, but society has decided one medium is more worthwhile than the other

>>726932176
videogames are painstakingly designed by committee to be comforting entertainment. most other hobbies and pursuits are primordial, there's no focus group thad made drawing rewarding for casual players, it exists untouched.

It's just [new thing]
There's letters from around the invention of the printing press where people were talkiing about how people who read novels were filling their brains up with useless nonsense
In another 50 years no one will give a fuck

>>726933009
Reading books has the underlying idea that youre somehow bettering yourself in an economic viability sense, even though most reading is slop akin to vidya. Even slop books have a sort of "oh hes reading he must be intelligent" sense to it to people.

>>726932176
Very few videogame skills are translatable to anything practical, which is nearly impossible for for most other hobbies.
Yes, there is some benefit. Some games actually teach you to think simply by stressing your problem solving engine, or react in social situations by putting you into positions you would never get into in real life. They might simulate some part of real world which may translate, like simracing or programming, but if you're playing exclusively action games/RPGs/similar, and especially if you're just doing mindless grind and following the meta with no internal analysis - you're, in terms of productivity, wasting time. You can't really waste time by painting because you're training your coordination and practicing, or by playing football, because you're improving your physical form, but you can totally waste time by farming mobs in an MMO.

>>726933009
you're definitely right, it also greatly depends on the kinds of books/video games. the social perception of somebody who reads stuff like the classics or philosophy or history books is different than somebody who reads airport novels or vampire porn. video games are a newer phenomenon so most people don't really know the difference between stuff like call of duty and 2k vs. games with narrative and characters, and people (rightly so) think most video game players play stuff that falls into the "balls and guns" category
reading a good and well written book will increase your vocabulary, expose you to new ideas and perspectives, and genuinely challenge you. a good video game can do the same things too too but we've gotta be real and admit that most people who play video games are just playing to see flashing lights and get easy hits of dopamine after work

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>>726932176
Think it like this.

Not a single video game would exist if all the people that created them had "playing games" as their only hobby and interest.

No musicians, no artists, no writers, no coders, no electronic engineers, no nothing, just people that compulsively play and do nothing but play on their free time, it creates nothing, it is just consumption.

It's like expecting sports fans that sit in front of their tv every single free waking instant they have, to become word famous sportsmen.

It's like expecting people that only watch movies and series and cartoons in their free time to become cinematographers and animators.

It's like expecting people that use all their time to read books, comics and manga to become great writers and illustrators.

It's not going to happen, hobbies that are about consuming eat up the time for hobbies that create and produce.

>>726933131
This, it's a new media so the old media is compelled to shit on it.
Also people have been adopting the silly idea that HOBBIES need to be "productive".

>>726933602
>It's like expecting people that only watch movies and series and cartoons in their free time to become cinematographers and animators.
prove this
ask any producer and they're going to point out two dozen of other producers they were inspired by

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>>726933009
reading booksis only respected by boomers and retarded millenials that got psyoped into thinking a book is inherently intellectual merely by being a book and not because of its contents.

People that know what everyone is reading know most books are gay and retarded.

>>726933748
Ok sam, thanks for sharing

>>726933602
cameras wouldn't exist if all the people that created them had "watching movies" as their only hobby and interest
what a retarded post

>>726933602
Musicians don't create instruments, football stars don't build stadiums, all hobbies are reliant on external professions, all hobbies are ultimately consumptive.

>>726933715
0 reading comprehension, "being inspired" to create consumable content by a consumption hobby implies they necessarily had to stop consuming and allocated most of their free time to producing, their hobbies necessarily had to change to produce what they got inspired by.

You really think you are going to create anything by merely bing bing wahooing most of your life away?

most popular vidya is slop

>>726933748
Books are a good way of learning about how kikes are fucking with the mechanisms of the world. But as a form of entertainment, vidya easily clears it.

>>726933948
To be inspired, you first need to consume.
There is no one without the other.

>>726933009
Reading books expands your vocabulary and exposes you to new ideas, assuming you're not just reading the most bottom of the barrel fiction. A video game isn't really going to provide you anything above a 12 year old understanding of the world

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>>726932528
Pretty much this.
Games are not a hobby, they're a form of entertainment. Overindulge and you basically have no actual skills outside of them.

What can you do with 2000 hours of your favorite game?
What would you be able to make with 2000 hours of woodworking?
What would you have been able to draw with 2000 hours of painting?
Who would you have been able to interact with, with 2000 hours of linguistic skills in a foreign language?
What would you have been able to design with 2000 hours of 3d modeling?

With all the thousands upon thousands of hours sunk into gaming, what is there to actually show for it? What can you do with it? As a side bonus, could you even make money off of it?

>>726934005
tell me about pathologic

>>726934004
Wrong. The vast majority of retro devs were inspired by real world experiences and travel.

>>726934107
So... consumptive hobbies?

>>726933902
People that create instruments were not driven by a desire to become musicians, péople that build stadiums were not driven by a desire to become football stars.

The musician and the football star are not consuming, they are producing, you could argue semantics and make a distinction between a craft and a hobby, but it is ultimately the same thing, the hobbies of the musician and the football star are most if not all conducive to producing, not consuming.

books and movies don't deliberately waste your time by having you repeat the same thing over and over again

>>726934056
A really good possibly record breaking playthrough
A nice chair
A mediocre portrait
People that don't live in my country
Porn
>could you make money off of it
The eternal grift of "Hobbies aren't hobbies until you turn them into a profession"

>>726934135
Going to a different place is not consumption. You are either jewish or profoundly brainwashed by them.

>>726934164
tell me about how much practice you need to be able to draw a perfect circle by hand

>>726934135
>consumptive
Also, this word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>726932176
Its because video games have always been the "nerd" activity. Back then people barely needed computers and the ones that did were often the cliched stereotypes of geeks, dorks and nerds. Its okay for kids to do it as kids are just kids but an adult that games in the mind of society is comparable to Comic Book, the kind of star wars/star treck super gross fat nerds.
No matter what games you play people of the world view you immediately as that stereotype if you play games as an adult. Maybe some dude bro games like CoD or Fifa can get you a pass but anything not super normie friendly makes you a geeky dorky nerd.


Its more then just about games, its the idea of what people think of people that play games. As you said people with other hobbies are barely viewed as being losers as much. They're considered strange at most but often not judged as harshly. You can think of autists that do model trains or collect stamps and they are looked in a better light. Its because society views gamers = gross nerds. Think if it like being a furry. Some people are so utterly terrified of being associated with that crowd that they either instinctively hate it or pull some mental hurdles to avoid the label. Simply because they've been conditioned to view those people as so filthy and gross that they cannot allow themself to be in it. Imagine that on a 1000 times scale. Nerds in school get bullied whilst the jocks get the girl. Nerds are gross and have acne and need glasses. This is all associated with any computer hobby and gaming falls into that too.

People are trying to justify it with all this "um games have no productive value!" but so many other hobbies also have that but aren't looked down upon. Hell there are some games you can actually make money on if you're insane enough (think RMT shit and trading) but no that's still nerd shit to normies. And honestly this is a good thing. Keeping normalfags out is what makes gaming so great.

>>726932176
Games are only valuable for YOURSELF

Painting or languages is also valuable for others, for society if you will

There is still a stigma against spending your time on something only you will enjoy, that benefits nobody else, the stigma comes from back during the boomer era when there was a social contract and society gave you as an indivudual quite a lot of opportunities and freebies, so being a selfish or a "low life" was very niggerish

Nowadays none of that exists, you get nothing from society, there is a bias against the indivudual, you are expected to work hard and expect nothing in return, being a valuable member of society is the ultimate cuckold because someone else is getting the fruits of your labor

>>726934158
Okay? You are still consuming the work of others, constantly. Look at the fucking plinkcuck buy a new guitar, he thinks he's going to get famous and know anything other than a little party trick. What does a football star produce? Entertainment? So does anybody interacting with their consumptive hobby when it's televised. They are consuming, then their consumption is televised or otherwise distributed for money by people whose professions are distribution.

>>726934135
You don't "consume" a real world experience nigga, the guy that created zelda wanted to emulate the freedom of open spaces he felt as a child, he didn't"consume" his childhood, he made programing and designing his hobby and then many years later he came up with the concept to make a game.

It sounds like you just want to believe that one day you will magically put the controller down and through automatic supernatural inspiration will come up with an excellent videogame just because you like to play.

Learn stuff that helps you produce shit, you've been "getting inspiration" for decades already.

>>726934262
In a wider sense, I am completely correct. In specific, you know what I meant.
>>726934204
>let me just CONSUME a plane ticket and CONSUME a hotel room stay to CONSUME local food and culture
Tourists are consumers. You are a consumer.

>>726934158
so you think gaming is a productive hobby as long as the person is aspiring to be a famous streamer or esports player?

>>726934361
>It sounds like you just want to believe that one day you will magically put the controller down and through automatic supernatural inspiration will come up with an excellent videogame just because you like to play.
holy projection

>>726934376
>In a wider sense, I am completely correct. In specific, you know what I meant.
So, pilpul. Opinions discarded.

>>726934361
>you don't consume a real world experience
God you actually bought into the travel agency's spiel.
>one day you will
I have no desires to eventually make a game. My goal was never to create a game. Your idea that the ideal of any person with a hobby is to eventually turn that hobby into a profession demonstrates profound brainrot.

>>726932176
99% of the stigma around gaming will die when everyone who's over 40 does, people are just retarded. Everyone said the same "hurr durr rots ur brain" shit about cinema and fiction novels when they were new media as well.

>>726934436
>spiel
You're actually jewish.

>>726934503
Go look at the people advertising those foreign trips to you, it'll blow your mind.

>>726934056
>what is there to actually show for it?
2000 hours of fun, i only "show" something for myself and i deem having thousands of hours of enjoyment a good thing
>What can you do with 2000 hours of your favorite game?
being good at it, which has the prospect of further enjoyment as skilled players can have more fun, and for some games like shooters the skills carry on to other games

>>726934529
You can travel without doing some pomp and show bullshit with a kike. Thank you for confirming that you're jewish, though.

>>726934056
>What can you do with 2000 hours of your favorite game?
Have fun.
>What would you be able to make with 2000 hours of woodworking?
Make something that could be made 10 times faster, cheaper and better by a machine.
>What would you have been able to draw with 2000 hours of painting?
Draw something that could maybe sell for 5-10 bucks.
>Who would you have been able to interact with, with 2000 hours of linguistic skills in a foreign language?
Some 3rd world brownoid. I can already interact with anyone that matters using english.
>What would you have been able to design with 2000 hours of 3d modeling?
Some part you could print and sell for like 50 bucks max to the 3 people who care.
>what is there to actually show for it?
You had fun. It doesn't need to be actively useful.
>As a side bonus, could you even make money off of it?
Well, technically yes, but do you need to? Vidya is a hobby you do after work to relax. If I'm doing something for money, like drawing, it stops being a hobby and becomes a second job.

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>>726933748
>anti-book
>can barely form a coherent fucking sentence

>>726934315
>There is still a stigma against spending your time on something only you will enjoy, that benefits nobody else
Seams like a reasonable stigma.
Controversial take, but you probably should not WANT to waste your life in front of a screen by yourself
It's probably healthier to develop relationships, methinks

>>726934391
Gaming is a productive hobby if it leads to you creating stuff, if it doesn't it is not, it's literally in the word, PRODUCTIVE => PRODUCT, being a famous streame or e-sports player is more like a job so it's good if it puts food in your table, but you aren´t really producing anything are you? unless you count being the funny/interesting parasocial best friend of internet kids as some kind of performative art.

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>>726934607
>cuh just learned about browns

>>726934628
i would consider it exactly as productive as playing sports or music for other peoples' entertainment

>>726934628
Please draw a distinction between selling the product of your hobby and it being a job.
>but you aren't producing anything are you
No more than the football player or the musician?

>>726934689
>sports exist only for entertainment
Do you imply such?

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Go look at the average League of Legends or CSGO player and earnestly tell me there isn't some truth to the statement that video games are bad for you and a waste of time

>That's not every video game!
But it is a lot of them, and they're usually the extremely popular ones.

>>726934740
you're having a really hard time with this lol

>>726934614
You can do both, but it's STILL stigmatized anyway.

>>726934740
Yes? Obviously? The fuck is Chess going to avail anybody? What is Football or Rugby going to help? You want to become strong? Work out.

>>726934436
>>726934436
>Snob retard deriding the craftsmanship of the shit he consumes on the same breath he praises the product of said efforts

I don't know if you're a kike but you do sound imbecilic to the max, plus I hate travelling and I don't even want to know how you got the opposite idea, childhood experiences are not "travelling".

>>726934759
>there's only one person on this anonymous board
Yep, that logic and your previous statements check out

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>>726934542
>I spent my life catching the pokey-bige on Nintendo, but I enjoyed it!
I sincerely hope you are under the age of 25. You still have time to shift your perspective

>>726934798
uh oh the not that guy allegations are coming out. i know you're itching to write "concession accepted"

>>726934783
To push the boundaries of what's humanly possible? To better learn what our bodies are capable of? To inspire others and lead by example?

>>726934614
>It's probably healthier to develop relationships
if you are socially challenged like me, developing relationships is way harder than the normal person, i have to put twice the effort and bring me a lot of suffering

i refuse to participate on anything that is specifically harder for me, if someone doing the same effort can achieve way more than me then its not worth doing

>>726934859
You can do that with video games. You can do that with video games or lifting or anything, really. You can do that with ANYTHING.

>>726934859
lol you fucking retard

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>>726934783
>The fuck is Chess going to avail anybody?
The greatest counter-semitic thinker of all time?

>>726934889
Yes, if you treat it as a sport.
What's your point?

>>726934607
>You are Anti book if you point at my minotaur masturbation story and call it gay and retarded


We all know modern book enthusiasts are just porn enthusiasts that simply hide the porn with letters.

Lil bro really thinks the greeks were wrestling to entertain the audience

>>726934925
You don't need chess to do that.
>>726934928
What's YOUR point? Plenty of people play competitive video games, that's the very definition of treating it as a sport.

>>726934940
>his only conception of books is 50 Shades of Black
ok tranny

>>726934925
I visited his grave this summer.

>>726935008
My point is that there's value in sport beyond entertainment. That's it. That what Iiwas replying to.

>>726935002
>nooo the olympics really really matter, truly
It's entertainment, nothing more. The very best in their fields gather to compete for the mild amusement of tens of millions of flabby onlookers and a few country-themed cheers.

>>726935008
Chess is literally nothing but pattern recognition, so yes, it's extremely important to noticing and naming the jew. You're stupid and probably jewish.

>>726934738
>A guy saying retarded shit while he records himself playing for money is literally the same as people that train their bodies and minds to extreme lenghts for demanding physical and intellectual performance.

By that logic Dsp = Dream theater+Cr7

>>726935067
Video games are also nothing but pattern recognition, but where will you find the next one?

>>726934803
>i spent my life working myself to the bone, i only have this green stuff to show for it, no one will even remember me in a few years but at least my invisible social points are higher and the box my corpse was shoved in is pretty
Died a slave award
>"b-but muh wife and kids"
dating is impossible for me so that argument goes to the trash

Cuh really thinks little Johny goes to baseball practice after school every day so he can wake up at 6am on a Saturday and put on a good showing for all of the parents at the ballpark

>>726935083
>extreme lengths
Football stars are not the pinnacle of physique. Musicians are not mathematicians. They are inferiors that provide entertainment much like the common streamer.

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>have job
>pay my own bills and save my own money
>spend time with friends and family
>somehow I'm expected to spend my FREE TIME being productive
Why?
Who's forcing this?

>>726935095
>but where will you find the next one?
wat

>>726935140
Little Johnny goes to the baseball green to prak in highschool and get a business degree, never playing baseball again. Dreams are called dreams because you wake up from them, and most people can't remember them after the first hour of their waking lives.

>>726935024
The fact that you can even reference such books existing is proof that books aren't inherentlynor mostly good, it's like pretending all movies are just great contributions to humanity while completely ignoring what most people actually consume, porn and garbage.

>>726935149
Comparatively to any internationally known football player of choice, post the person you consider to be "pinnacle of physique"

>>726935170
The next Fischer? Surely, if all that needs to be trained is pattern recognition, an entire legion of fighting game and RTS players will have come to fruit?

>>726932176
if you need a genuine answer to this question you're legitimately autistic

>>726932176
Shut up loser.

>>726935197
>>726935246
bros brain is melting down

>>726935224
Pick an olympiad. Just, literally any of them. Those people morphed their bodies to be the best, footballers morphed their bodies to foul out.

>>726935246
The entire next generation of men are the next Fischer. They either hate kikes from the Hilter perspective, or they hate kikes from the kike perspective (they're "white" and are oppressing browns). Either way I win.

>>726935327
>I win
is that really what you care about in this discussion?

>>726935132
There are men who have their faces carved in mountains, people who's bones have turned to dust yet thousands of people every day pay to admire their works, champions who will live on in stories told to the children of children who aren't even born, pen strokes that will be published for hundreds of years

None of them were gamers

>>726935160
The people who view you as an economic unit instead of a person.

>>726935372
In terms of whose ideology is winning? Yes. U mad?

>>726935283
Naaaw unc, goofy aa.

>>726935381
ben franklin would've been a gamer

>>726935381
So what?

>>726932176
Video games not a hobby, in the same way that watching movies is not a hobby.

>>726935381
Cool, your old dead faggots club was like the .0000001% of all people, and their hobbies didn't really matter in the end other than my entertainment. They existed to be a funny story for me to be told once and then forget on trivia night.

>>726935468
You say that but ever single female dating profile has watching movies under hobbies. Same with browsing social media.

>>726935310
Nigger, you are arguing for the sake of arguing, even if you pick an olympian, fucking gamer grumps are just not their equivalent.

>>726935452
I don't think OP mentioned making a game once.

>>726932176
For one, gaming is not comparable to getting good at painting or taking music lessons, because in those cases you actually develop a skill that can become an extension of yourself, and "making video games" would better fit that category. Playing videogames is in the same category as watching a movie, or listening to music, or enjoying looking at a painting.

I think the stigma against video games is that for all the potential it has to be more than every other medium, it still aims at adolescent and young adult tastes aesthetically and archetypically. Stories in games have yet to have the same spectrum of emotional impact as a novel of film, even though games could provide this if someone really tried, most gamers will never know the difference because they avoid those other mediums where they are most at depth, and pay attention mostly to pop-culture versions of film and novels and that is what most games base their influence off. Games are also stronger and more grounbreaking if they work as great game first, and great stories second, so the genuine accomplishments gaming has provided has been in it's ability to break 4th walls and freedom, but there isn't anything genuinely ground-breaking in their stories. Gamers and game developers could expand their tastes and mediums they enjoy and I think video-games would get at least one step closer to be preferable works of art over mediums that have come before it.

>>726932176
Are you living 30 years in the past? Video game tournaments air on open tv, game awards has more views than oscar, you can earn money by reading wikipedia articles about video games

that idea of video games being a kids hobby is rooted in the past, in fact, consoles are starting to be seen as "old people" hobby now, so, wake up grandpa, clock is ticking

Elitism and forced female social norms on men. Games are as much if not more entertainment value fictional books and movies are, and you should find people to talk with over games same way plenty others talk about shows and books.

>>726932176
Consuming media isn't a hobby.

>>726933009
That's because the dredges of society have correlated reading books with being smart and being smart with being well off

>>726935452
>OP just wants to pretend eating the cake is the same as baking it
I never said that at all

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Video games provide virtual tasks and accomplishments instead of real ones. Thats really the main problem. Go play a live service game and notice how they're basically job simulators. You log in to do dailies and do repetitive grinding to watch numbers go up and your brain loves it, because its hardwired to love work and rewards. Before people built houses in minecraft they just built houses, sometimes for no real good reason. Thats how humans work and video games tend to manipulate that.

Of course, modern society has basically turned the job market into a dystopian hellscape and being a wagie into a miserable experience, but thats another can of worms.

>>726935526
Okay? Magnus Carlsen would make a shit footballer.

>>726935381
absolutely nobody ITT will become one of those men, the chances of becoming a "great man" in history are microscopic if you were born a pleb

you will die a nobody, no one will remember your great efforts in life, they die with you

>>726935160
You are not being forced to, OP just wants to pretend eating the cake is the same as baking it and that he has the potential to be a good baker just because he eats cake.

>>726934056
A hobby is considered to be a regular activity that is done for enjoyment, typically during one's leisure time. Hobbies include collecting themed items and objects, engaging in creative and artistic pursuits, playing sports, or pursuing other amusements or avocations. Participation in hobbies encourages acquiring substantial skills and knowledge in that area. A list of hobbies changes with renewed interests and developing fashions, making it diverse and lengthy. Hobbies tend to follow trends in society. For example, stamp collecting was popular during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries as postal systems were the main means of communication; as of 2024, video games became more popular following technological advances. The advancing production, technology, and labour movements of the nineteenth century provided workers with more leisure time to engage in hobbies. Because of this, the efforts of people investing in hobbies has increased with time.

>>726935484
Post hands, ranjeet

>>726935615
>>726935527

>>726934005
History / map painting games will make you far more knowledgeable about the world than 99% of college graduates tbqh.

>>726935604
Nah, I will. You'll see

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>see man climbing a tree
lmao what a nerd

>see man climbing a mountain
holy shit what a badass

>>726935635
>this nigger is already defending the honor some old dead cunts
You will never be brahmin. You are not the reincarnation of DaVinci.

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>>726933131
This, 100% this.

Video games are productive for self-improvement/maintenance purposes. Hand-eye coordination, problem solving skills, reading, math, and process optimization are all trained by gaming. And sub-genres can hone more niche skills like fighting games honing psychological acuity. The video game hobby also heavily overlaps with tech literacy and programming. Not to mention, like any hobby, video games reduce stress.

Compared to the tertiary benefits of other, more respected hobbies, video games should stand alongside or even above a lot of them. A bitch reading 1000 paranormal romance novels picks up limited extra vocabulary, but doesn't touch any of the dex, tech, and problem solving skills that video games train. And the fact that someone wasting thousands of dollars a year on art supplies to make garbage art of no value is seen as more valuable than someone who keeps their mind sharp playing video games is retarded.

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>>726935680
>see kevin costner
lmao what a shabbos goy blackmail puppet

>>726935532
>Wow, 5 million gooks watched a twitch stream where losers give each other awards or something
And I care because...?

>>726935678
If you can prove me wrong feel free to do that, screencap my post and consider it an open invitation to destroy my argument by becoming a great man

>>726935587
>>726935527
He asked why games are seen in a bad light and most people said that it is because playing games doesn't create games, then he proceeded to act as if people that play games are as valuable as people that create games, so yes, he is in a way arguing that sitting on your ass enjoying content puts you in the same league as people that make that content.

>>726932176
All of the things you listed are useful except for gaming??

Learning a language, painting or playing music have obvious benefits. Reading improves your vocabulary, informs you on various topics and gives you something to discuss.

Vidya doesn't give you any social capital except with other autistic losers. You can't discuss video games with normal people.

>>726935768
Wanting to be a streamer is THE most popular future profession for children. Retards playing video games and talking about garbage are THE new upper class.

>>726934607
No nigger. He is saying that books aren't inherently intelectual, not that the medium is bad.

>>726935723
I'm defending the human pursuit of greatness that transcends mortality. Something which an insectoid like you has no comprehension of

>>726935836
True, I once read a book written by a jew about proper writing practices, and it was the single worst grammatical nightmare I've ever beheld.

>>726935910
Hahahaha, you're defending old dead faggots with PR teams.

>>726934107
They also stole shit from dnd, which stole shit from books, which was inspired (or maybe stole) from other books.

>>726935816
>You can't discuss video games with normal people.
It's not the 90s anymore. Video games are mainstream for at least 2 generations.

>>726932176
Legitimately the amount of effort involved.
>I have to spend hours learning how to play with this toy which provides literally nothing of value!
It gave society the ick before ick was a thing. It's the same with adults and cartoons, adult cartoons look like shit because if the animation is too good, you've spent too much effort on what is seen primarily as childrens media and you are therefore a loser.

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>>726932176
I learnt a language playing videogames and developed the hand eye coordination which improved my art and leaned how to produce music starting with Mario Paint. Sorry if you couldn't make a productive use of your time with the hobby.

>>726935952
Which is different from our modern conception of consooming. Stop being a fucking faggot.

>>726935956
Okay. It's still not a good conversation topic like sports or literature. Women don't play vidya at all and are disgusted by it so that's at least 50% of the population out.

>>726932176
Old bitches

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>>726935604
>Joseph likes to make furniture only because he hopes to be the best carpeter to ever live

>>726936024
if joseph enjoys carpentry then he should keep doing it, for his own joy

but if joseph hates it, he should quit, there is nothing to gain from something you dont enjoy doing

>>726935971
I hate to interrupt the autistic shit flinging that this thread has turned into, but I think this is the correct answer

The arts aren't inherently valuable because drawing a pretty picture means you're a superior person, they serve as demonstrations of a life spent mastering a craft.
Sports achievements aren't just about who can catch a ball better than someone else, they assert dominance in a field.

Humans love to idolize strength and greatness and neither of those things can be worn through Vidya

>>726934056
There's a huge talent variable that you are ignoring. The average person who does 2000 hours of woodworking is still going to be a shit woodworker. They aren't going to be able to do complex projects and fuck up simple projects so much that they are a net negative on wasted material. Whereas a talented person is going to become pretty good in about 200 hours or so.

For the average person, 2000 hours in a "productive" hobby is going to be an unproductive, frustrating, wasteful mess of an endeavor. Unironically better off playing 2000 hours of games and becoming better at solving problems / analyzing arbitrary systems.

>>726935310
And when i say morph, i mean replace blood with drugs.

>>726935971
>the ick
You have a female brain. Your opinions are worthless, and you're a tranny or a male feminist.

Why is it now that every facet of life has to be analyzed and viewed from an angle of what intrinsic value it could bring outside of enjoying it? I swear every time I see someone enjoying or doing some enjoying or doing something there's always someone impressed and telling them how they need to turn that hobby into an avenue to make money. When did hustle culture get so ingrained into our society that everything has to be viewed through the lens of whether or not it can provide monetary gain down the line?

>>726935816
Simracing has saved my life by training me to never lock brakes in slippery conditions
I was driving a shitbox without abs on a country road up north late night, and a truck driver from the incoming lane has veered off-course due to heavy load after a turn.
If i would've instinctively slammed the brakes, i would've ended up in a head-on collision with a 3+ ton pickup.
Light tap, smooth turn and a set of decent winter tires are the reason why i am still able to type this out.

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>Its another "/v/ doesnt read and must therefore act as if books and video games are the same mindless consumption" episode

Books have existed for over 5000 years and contain knowledge and thoughts from people and societies from completely different worlds than ours.
Video games have existed for some 50 years under the same jewish banking system and is mostly about pressing buttons at the right moment.

>>726936002
>sports or literature
Old media which video games will eventually become.
>Women
They don't care about a man's hobbies as long as he has something else going for him.

>>726936227
Cool it with the antisemitsm.

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>>726936091
>creating is literally the same as consuming because both can be enjoyable.
>But I do not enjoy creating, I only enjoy consuming, so I will never create anything.

A dissapointing conclusion to reach, even people that do fucking nothing direct their creative efforts towards family making, and you don't sound like you have that either.

>>726936249
Books are the same mindless consumption and the kind of people who believe they're not don't read.
>b-but the entertainment of 100 years ago is high art! my professor said so!
You're one-click from finding the truth for yourself.

>>726935626
>Hobbies include collecting themed items and objects
This is the kind of hobbies that overwhelming majority of normalfags engages in. Not any of the creative or physically demanding stuff. It's collecting random garbage that usually has zero value and disposal of which ends up being a major nuisance to their heirs.

>>726935987
No it isn't

>>726936249
And none of the books are worth shit except Mein Kampf, The Culture of Critique, and 2000 Years Together.

>>726936002
>women
>talking about sports
>>>>>talking about literature
what are you gonna ask, what does she think about fucking bulls?

>>726936227
This thread is about inherent moral value, not financial value. You can't monetize reading a book or speaking Italian, but doing either of those things is "better" than playing video games

>>726936213
>You have a female brain.
Time to put on a dress and really milk this for all it's worth

>>726936343
I'm actually surprised that your nihilist communist ass capitalized the first word of your sentence, but you still performatively left out the period. Very sad.

>women hate vidya!
lmao maybe 50 year olds.
Most I come across schlick it to animal crossing, breath of the wild or both.

>>726936324
There's more types of books than just your homosexual vampire erotica.

>>726936385
>inherent moral value
More like social value.

>>726936417
Let's be real, you already are there, eunuch-kun.

>>726934490
>99% of the stigma around gaming will die when everyone who's over 40 does
That's what they've been saying since the 80s

>>726934614
so many people waste their lives in front of screens. you waste your life looking at a screen at work then get even more screentime doomscrolling.

>>726936456
>see they're talking about important things! like women drama and the war!
Again no one whose actually well read falls for this nonsense.

>>726935160
>>726932176
People keep saying its about "muh job" but I think it's more about impact.
Part of the cope of mortality is believing your actions will last beyond your life span.

So people who "create" as a hobby, like painting a picture, feel more productive than spending a lot of time on videogames because the object they created may last, influence or be imitated.

This also factors into other things, like pursuing social power, fame or impact.

So people dismiss videogames because they see a guy spending decades of his life bing bing wahooing and consuming the next bing bing wahoo while they see some other guy get famous for something, or discover something, or own something important.

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>>726936340
Hobbies are...Hobbies, what else could they be. It doesn't matter if it is good or bad, it doesn't make it any less of a hobby. And don't bitch at me for not following your fanfic, go bitch at the bongs in charge of the dictionary.

>>726936494
And look, it did. Now kids want to be video game streamers instead of astronauts.

>>726936494
There are already Twitter grannies who play weeb games. Your culture lost, jews.

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>>726936249
>manuals on how to sacrifice animals and babies to pagan deities and retarded nominalist phylosophy make ALL books a treasure.

Nigga, books are written by people and most people have always been fucking dumb, stop idolizing the thoughts of dead niggas, most of them were as wrong and ridiculous as all of us right now.

Like literally, if it's not plato, the Church fathers or people inspired in some way by them you are most likely reading the intellectual equivalent to the avengers and book tok romantasy porn.

>>726936421
So you are getting your ass whooped by an esl?

>>726936385
>This thread is about inherent moral value, not financial value
I know that but all the excuses given in this thread as to why other hobbies are morally better basically boil down to you can make money or be "successful" if you do the other stuff

>>726936602
Am I?

>>726936597
>My 2000 year old fairy tales are better than your 2000 year old fairy tales!
Enlightened, truly

>>726936249
So reading Twilight is more thought provoking than playing Metal Gear because its a book?

>>726936597
your brown doe

>>726936713
Well, going by what you said. Yes

>>726936727
It is, you would know if you had read it ,':)

Why can't gamers just admit their "hobby" is just a waste of time?

/lit/ fags have less culture, and oc than fucking /co/. Gun to the head. Name 10 projects made by /lit/

>>726936827
>waste of time
As opposed to what other hobby?

>>726936805
Which words were that?

>>726936785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unwjb5a7CoE

>>726932176
It translates to nothing IRL

>>726936597
>Nigga, books are written by people and most people have always been fucking dumb, stop idolizing the thoughts of dead niggas, most of them were as wrong and ridiculous as all of us right now.

Thats why books are good though. Anybody can write a book. They are the closest you can get to experience another person's thoughts. Video games and movies are shit for that since theyre mostly group efforts

>>726936862
Except you aren't cool or admirable like the fictitious Avdol. You're just a retarded opportunistic rapist.

>>726936740
Thats not what the post said, bad faith reply.

>>726936861
>>726935987

>>726936898
>They are the closest you can get to experience another person's thoughts
Waste of time

>>726936827
Hobby are done in your free time by definition, so you can't "waste time" doing them unless you're a braindead grindfag.

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>>726936936
And? + Am I wrong tho?

>>726936740
NTA but no one is claiming that books are better because they are books
I don't know if your perception is accurate because I don't spend much time talking to anybody about anything, but I imagine people read more than smut.

The last three books I've read were Lolita, The Scarlet Letter, and 1984. And yes that was a better use of my time than playing The Binding of Isaac

>>726932176
>why is it that learning something or creating something are fundamentally better uses of your time than consuming something
You answered your own question.

>>726936597
kek sounds like schopenhauer needed to retardmaxx around his family a little bit. this is legitimate advice, NOBODY likes a know-it-all. that's like nowadays if you go around your family gatherings trying to drop red pills on everyone.

>>726937031
>And?
Whites will inevitably get sick of you and violently hunt you down.
>Am I wrong tho?
Yes.

>>726936946
No he's implying that all books are inherently a better use of intellectual time simply because they are books so its exactly what he said. Its a stupid post.

>>726936972
>>726936827
No the real admittance is that, Gamers can't admit videogames are drug-like addicting and lead to you doing them more than you should, causing neglect of other facets in life, like gaining skills or social clout.
That's the ultimate black pill of gaming, it causes you to spend too much time on it, much like drug addicts.

That's why it's looked down upon, thats why the stereotypes of fat, out of shape men with no social life start manifesting.

A person who cames, 1-2 hours of their free time is not something someone looks down upon.

>>726937118
Good thing I don't sorround myself with whites.

Anyway no I'm not wrong, go read marquis de sade or whatever gay porn you fancy u librarian son of a bitch.

>>726937220
+10 izzat

>>726937191
>drug-like addicting
lmao weak ass bitch

>>726937220
>Good thing I don't sorround myself with whites.
You're doing it right now by using a White American-born website with a White American majority population. You do this instinctively because you subconsciously realize how worthless and despicable your own brown kind are.

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>>726932176
>board full of video game discussion, populated by people who (ostensibly) love video games with a burning passion
>every time artistry or intellectual stimulation is brought up the thread is filled with self-loathing brainlets saying games are worthless

>>726937191
The retarded thing is that you think these people that play video games a lot would become fathers or artists or doctors or anything else deemed good if they just quit. That's not necessarily true.

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>>726937357
>with a White American majority population.

>>726937461
They're brown or jewish. They are literally mental poison.
>>726937482
Greater turnout than any other website. Also small numbers of whites are more important than brown interlopers. Kike.

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>>726937357
>White American majority population

>>726932176
Videogames can lead to something productive but I guess it all depends on the person, the fact that they combine various disciplines can inspire people to pursue art, music, storytelling, or gamedev itself.

>>726937481
>That's not true
I didn't say that things would be better, but it would help.
Lots of socially mal-adjusted autismos on /v/ that would probably be less autistically retarded if they were forced to socialize and developed better obsessions.

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>>726937567
>dismissive laughter from literal discord trannies
Excuse me if I just don't care.

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>Not a single mention of a very personal and tangible skill of building a PC, that was born from playing video games
Somehow this will not count for you faggots.

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>>726932176
There are only two kinds of hobbies.
The ones that you create something, the ones that you don't.

Reading books, listening to music, playing video games are all the same fucking shit, because there's nothing left after you finished, you disappear into dust and nothing is left, no matter how "superior" you feel, you're just reading earth.

Then there are writing books, programming video games, writing music etc.. that you left something in earth, you write to earth.
There are more value in making a game you fuck a vaporeon than reading 300 snobby books because wrote the game to earth.
The retarded meme you made that people copy and have in their hard drives? more value than the snobby consumption of goods.

Of course the consumption of goods may lead you to produce better goods yourself, but if you don't, it don't matter the least.

Input without output is bad.
Simple as.

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>>726937650
I'm just laughing at your delusions nigger.

>>726932528
>Video games are more addictive than most other forms of entertainment and they're also just huge time sinks, a bad combination.
Your dad and grandpa spent 90% of their free time in front of the tv and it didn't even register in your mind that it shouldn't be that way.

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>>726937357
>>726937557
>>726937650
>white
>american

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>>726937792
your a male feminist bolshevik doe

>>726937784
>You make a fun game
>you're dooming others into being consoomers.
How are you better than the consumer?

>>726937180
>No he's implying that all books are inherently a better use of intellectual time
They are. Reading and writing are actually important for society because it allows people to express themselves better. The less words you know the less you can say

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>>726937843
>jewish
>power

>>726937610
I've done all that shit, I'm just as inept and I hate it just as much as I did before. But I'm probably just a freak anyways. No matter what, you can't force people to care about certain things. It simply doesn't work.

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>>726937858
You're a (random buzzwords I think might trigger you) weak bait mate. I'm going to bed.

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>>726937858
>>726937952

>>726937862
Because you wrote something to earth, you changed it, even if by a smidge. you did output, you marked earth with who you are.
Unless you only do it for your job and nothing else, then it's the output of your boss, not you.

>>726938006
Night, faggot.

>>726937650
I don't use discord, you're just that retarded

>>726938091
>i don't use discord, i just behave exactly like a transsexual who uses discord

>>726933009
It's because there are no "adult" games like there are for other forms of media.

A 10 year old and a 30 year old reading a difficult book or watching an artsy movie will have completely different understandings and experiences while enjoying it. Whereas there is less of a distinction for those two people playing any game.

A "mature" game for most people is just something "dark" or "realistic" looking. Whereas an adult book deals with themes and ideas, and multiple layers of ideas beyond what is there at the surface that require multiple readings to even acknowledge, let alone understand.

>>726937650
>>726938149
>transsexuals who use discord dont think that americans are white
What did he mean by this?

>>726938215
Discord-using kikes have a different definition of "White." Theirs involves a brown squat goblin named Pablo.

>>726937807
My grandpa didnt own a TV until the last 10 years of his life lol, and my grandma didnt leave the small community she was born in until she was 20. My dad was the youngest child and grew up with hip stuff like the Beatles and Spaggetti westerns

>>726938175
>He thinks authors fill their books with meta layers and that isn't just someone over-thinking shit.
No Mrs. Finstein, the curtains are just blue.

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>>726938149
yeah yeah sweet dreams fag

>>726938393
Sauce?

>>726938358
Lol, you're right! Every piece of literature ever written is only as deep as a page is thick. Ulysses is just about a day in the life of three guys.

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>>726938393
>trying to be hard
>posting Sonic the Hedgehog
You're so tough, Pablito! Abuelita loves you!!!

>>726938496
Now you get it, most shit are just ancient may-mays of stories probably gleamed from an actual event, passed down by word of mouth, until some autismo sees some shit in it that isn't there and starts implementing it in his works for a specific meaning, changing the meme until it's not longer recognizable.

It is the essence of ritual, the brain basically organizing its memory folder with random scarcely related shit, like alchemists assigning random metals to the planets because of anthropomorphized "Behaviors" they exhibit that are associated with astrology.

They are the ancient mans version of hiding Loss or Amogus and the only depth there actually is realizing how a few simple lines resemble a meme comic.

>>726938492
@LixesPrototype

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>>726938680

"You must be productive" is a materialistic mindset.

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>>726938864

Video games arent respected because its mainly aimed at kids and young adults. Same with anime, cartoons, superheroes, action figures etc. Most people don't really care If you enjoy some of this stuff occassionally, but it is weird If you're 25+ and its all you enjoy. Arrested development isnt an attractive quality.

>>726939198
Watching sports isn't respected because you're a fat retard watching niggers play sports. Movies aren't respected because you're a dumb goy watching literal propaganda while pretending you're smart.

>>726932176
>What is it about video games that makes them inherently a less valuable hobby that others?
Because, like other "gross" hobbies like playing card games, collecting toys or other trinkets or building model kits, it's expensive, it's mostly done indoors, it's VERY time consuming, doesn't really develop any skill usable in the real world, it's associated with immaturity since it's a hobby you start while being a child and has no social value to people outside of the hobby.

>>726938864
The only reason the rich have to tolerate the existence of the poor is so those poors can serve the rich. If you aren't making the rich even richer, you are worthless and you don't deserve to exist, you only deserve to be slowly tortured to death.

>>726938849
>accuses me of being among the most meme obsessed people on planet earth.
Anon Jews unironically believe they have to use memetic symbols to warn their victims.

>>726939365
Ok slave.

>>726939386
Anon, you are a jew.

>>726932176
Other hobbies tend to have positive impacts on your health or confer skills that might be transferrable to other contexts. Video games don't really do much for either. You're putting your time into something with its own properties, rules and behaviors that don't necessarily reflect reality in any way.

Even hanging out at a bar playing darts or pool like someone who was "misspending their life" back in the day at least built an intuition for the physical behavior of moving objects, and built skill in the control of one's own body.
Video games might be good for your reaction time, but that's just about it. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually hurt your problem solving ability, too. Since there's usually only a few ways to accomplish things, and puzzles in video games tend to have rigid solutions that don't offer you feedback until you do exactly what the developer intended.

>>726938175
Yeah I still have yet to play a game that goes beyond YA.

>>726939531
True, we should all put our efforts into killing communists and the jews that fund/instruct them. Thanks for showing me the light.

>>726939395
The world makes a lot more sense when you see it for what it really is: a playground for rich, powerful, sadistic sociopaths, and nothing more. The rest of us exist merely to lift those few up onto our shoulders. We are only their playthings, and we should embrace our role by willingly offering ourselves up to be tortured. The Suffering Gospel preaches that we are all guilty of the crime of existing, and we must all be punished for it.

>>726939561
There are games like Planescape Torment and Morrowind that do. But they make it entirely optional to engage with the world and story beyond a superficial level. Any content that goes beyond that is just buried in written lore that might as well be supplemental novels.

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>>726939950
You're making it theatric.
If you look at chimp societies we are pretty similar. Chimps have tribes, leaders, friendships, enemies and rivalries.
They all aspire to climb the social ladder which is one reason why adult chimps are so dangerous and will kill life-long human owners for perceived "challenges" to their role in a social-hiarchy.

Being a rich fag is unironically being a higher tier chimp on the social ladder, because you can trade resources for favors and that's what true power is, the ability to 'buy" anyone, which is like the ability to "scare" anyone but with less of a backlash.

That's why depopulation theorists are moron, money is meaningless without people clamoring to do things for it.

I've tried sports, literature, relationships, history, military : they aren't better or worse than games.
Reading Proust was a life changing experience for me, it made me realize what went behind the scenes of everything in society and how utterly vapid the standards of highly regarded people are.
Just do whatever, the only thing that can save you in this world is religion, everything else is just irrelevant.

>>726940164
Exactly, this is why once you've driven people to a corner they can just go and kill you.
We should get more Luigis in the coming years and that's a good thing

>>726940164
I'm struggling to think of a more jewish post in recent memory.

>>726940175
For me it was HItler and Kevin McDonald.

>>726940285
Explain the Jewish part, its a fundamental truth of the human condition translatable across all cultures.
Jews are just extra bad because they have extreme tribalism which lets them form parasitic cabals within foreign states.
That makes more of an adversary in the social hierarchy, it doesn't somehow sustain it.

>>726934056
>game
a lot, I learned a lot of skills
I only have 1 game with 2000 hours in it, dota, and I definitely learned a lot of team skills from it and literally could not give a fuck how upset people seem to get at trivial shit in work places and in my other hobbies. its strange to think how much dealing with vitriol there made me much better at dealing with it in other areas of my life.

>woodworking
didn't take me 2000 hours, will get there, but I am sitting at the desk I built with my own 2 hands from wood I cut with my own hands.
a good portion of the furniture in my house I built, and again, I don't think I have put 2000 hours into it.

>painting
nothing because painting is a useless skill?
I don't think you understand how few people actually paint, as in paint on a canvas, and how few people actually can engage with or care about that.
my artistic skills are good enough for my games to sell, so its good enough.

>linguistic skills
I already speak 3 languages, I don't care to learn another, why would I bother wasting time to learn a language I won't use?
I live and was born in an English speaking country, I learnt English, I learnt the language of the country my parents are from, and I learnt a third language conversationally from a friend and consume media in it regularly. I don't need a 4th.

>3d modeling
I have spent 2000 hours doing it and its the most awful skill to ever learn, I hated it the entire time, I refused jobs people offered me based on skills when they asked who did the models for my projects. I will never do it for anything that isn't a personal project that I genuinely care about because it is the worst most awful thing in the world.

>what is there to show for it
the reason I had an interest in computers and technology, a career, many skills, met many people, and did many things, solely due to an interest in video games.
don't blame games for your failures, they are your own.

>>726940414
It makes them an unsustainable part of the social hierarchy. Very interesting choice of words on your part.

>>726940513
Are they not "the adversary"?

>>726940575
Yeah, I just automatically assumed friendly fire.

>>726935736
the long term effects of playing video games regularly aren't really seen yet.
everyone knows that old fella who just sits there watching tv and can barely function and is barely a human, completely dull, and slow. but there is someone 20 years older than them who is still just as sharp as their prime.

a lot of people seem to ignore the mental aspects of a lot of things and how a hobby that directly requires you to think, react quickly, solve problems, make plans, etc is very good for your brain and will keep you functioning well for your entire life vs just passively consuming like reading a book or watching a movie.
I read a disgusting amount of books, but its the most passive brain dead shit in the world, its easier than watching a movie, its paced at exactly how much focus you give it, never moves on without you, and you can take as much time as you want/need for something. its peak consumption.

I think in 50 years seeing the effects of life long video game play will be interesting and the outcomes from it. Video games are going to start getting recommended for children to do to keep their minds healthy.

>>726940630
Yeah, not everyone with realist views is a jew trying to AstroTurf Jewish behavior.
I'm critical of views that innately see "Wealth" as an exclusive power of jews that will end with them. It's just naive propaganda, the same substance communists use.
There will always be greed and apathy in the world, just a fair bit less of it without jews in the picture.

>>726933009
Books is just the halo effect in play by virtue of books being a long well established medium.
99% of people read garbage and 99% of people who read the proper stuff can't interpret what they're reading sufficiently or with original critique.

I know because I'm one of those people that try to engage with higher literature but I get filtered every time, so I know I'm a brainlet.

>>726941010
Shut up, jew/shabbos slave.

>>726932176
How did those pubes get inside his head?

>>726932176
lack of tangible results

>>726941215
kek, not even.
Look, you know that funny story of Yukab that NoI negroes believe? How white people were bred by a mad scientist and invented the evil act of lying, as to steal all great inventions and culture from the Shabazz?
That myth is actually found everywhere in most left leaning idealogies.
Carl Marx believed humanity was innocent communists before the invention of "property" and thus greed. Feminists believe society was matriarchal and fair before men discovered "Misandry" and enslaved women to form the patriarchy.

Everything goes back to a primeval sin that the perfect people were weak too and was used to usurp them for a "poisonous" system, with the solution being the utter elimination of the idea.

That's you and rich faggots right now. I never once denied jewish milady on society, I'm simply against the aforementioned faggotry. You aren't being realistic.

>>726941631
>muh rich faggots
There's nothing wrong with White people having wealth though. You are clearly a kike/jeet, and you don't fool me.

>>726934740
Professional sports absolutely exist only for entertainment, yes

>>726941708
Basically these slimy middle eastern scumbags want to gaslight you into thinking that they're here for you. If you dont live in fucking New York, it behooves you to make them sure that they aren't welcome here.

>>726941708
I'm not even sure you even read my post correctly because now you're agreeing with me.

>>726935160
You know damn well (((whom)))

>>726941708
useful idiot

>>726942306
Shabbos fucking goy.

>>726942387
What if 1% of white people have 99% of the wealth and 99% of white people only have 1% of the wealth?

>>726942436
Where did the jews go?

>>726942480
They're gone. What now?

>>726942561
Browns get a small stipend to actually build their countries. If they fuck it up, it's game over forever. You get one chance.

>>726942685
You misread my post. This is a scenario where 1% of white people have 99% of the wealth and 99% of white people have 1% of the wealth.

>>726942745
>what if i jacked off to hentai right now
Who fucking cares?

>>726942815
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast yesterday morning?

>>726942837
But I did prove that you're a retarded hair-splitting kike yesterday.

>>726932176
Fuck who cares
Wanna play vidya? Play vidya
Live your fucking life Chud

>>726932176
it's a medium that is a combination of all previous invented mediums by humans but the results are nearly all being made by incompetents- who are all looking at each other's homework

>>726942880
Do you think that it's impossible for white people to be greedy?

>>726942980
Do you think it's possible for jews to be saved?

>>726943015
>immediately deflects
lmao niggercattle

>>726943109
>knows that jews can't be saved
lmao jewboys

>>726932176
First, video games are not a hobby that will (generally) get you better at doing a job or using the hobby skills and experience to make something physical or earn money. Only in the modern day with e-sports shittery can you make any actual amounts of money for playing vidja gaems
Second, it's that because the nerds and geeks who like vidja tended to always be the outcasts and pariahs of society, normalfags will always have a disdain towards them because they're not normal. The only time much of society will be okay with it is if you're *also* good looking and have lots of money while at the same time doing your vidya.
A great bunch of it is the former or both, especially with women in the modern era, because they focus on the money aspect but also the social aspect of "Oh fuck, I can't have a husband who plays those worthless nerdy things!". If you have free time, she will more than likely try to find a way to fill that time with either attention to her or to do a physical hobby in hopes it will inevitably be used to earn more money or make things for her. Due to the cultural shift in the west to put women on pedestals, their hawking and badmouthing complaints takes precedence.

>>726943015
saved by who? their own sacrificial messiah? fucking retard

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>play only arcade games (stimulates brain)
>practice breathwork in between rounds (spiritual fitness, regulates emotions, reduces reactivity)
>listen to audiobooks and classical music during rounds (mental fitness)
>take breaks to go for walks or kettlebell swings/stretch (physical fitness)
Rate my hobby

>>726944942
>practice breathwork in between rounds (spiritual fitness, regulates emotions, reduces reactivity)
saar/10

>>726932176
I LMAO at the
>vidya is a consooming hobby therefore cringe
posts. Consider a guy assembling model trains. He creates things, but normalniggers would still give a weird stare for this.

>>726932176
Consuming media is barely a hobby. Do you think watching TV is a hobby?

>>726945365
Do you think reading books is a hobby?

>>726945432
It's technically a hobby but definitely less of a hobby than writing or visiting used bookstores or being in a book club.

>>726945505
Post a link to your writing.

>>726945530
This is part of why you don't have friends btw

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>>726945365
>Do you think watching TV is a hobby?
It is a hobby by definition. Masturbating is also a hobby. The word does not imply any dignity like 4chan thinks it does.

>>726945593
This is the part where you are exposed as a pretentious roleplaying fraud.

>>726945630
OP asked about a "less dignified hobby" not if they technically qualify as one at all. Jerking off is obviously less dignified than painting.

>>726938175
there are games meant for adults, it just that wannabe teenagers infest their fanbases because they want to look cool for liking a adult game, and actual adults in the fanbase proceed to leave the fanbase because they don't want to babysit retarded teens

>>726945650
Hey 12 year old indian if you learned to read instead of going into an autistic fit half way through a sentence you wouldn't make the fucking retarded assumption that someone saying reading and writing are different is someone "roleplaying"as a writer. btw you'll always be a nigger

>>726932176
Hobbies are considered more valuable if they are creating something and/or learning something that can be applicable in the real world.
You could argue that video games might improve your reaction speed and hand-eye coordination to a certain extent, but it's benefits are still less than the other hobbies you mentioned.
>>726945365
>>726945432
Both can be hobbies, heavily depending on the specific type of books/media you consume. Textbooks, classical literature, non-fiction? Pretty beneficial and I doubt anyone would scoff at that.
Vampire werewolf rape smut/fanfiction like most women that claim they "read" as a hobby? Ehhh

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>>726937191
>nooo you need the social clout otherwise waste of time PLEASE LIKE MEEE

>>726945680
OP did not make the implication playing video games having negative perception makes them less of a hobby like the replier did.

>>726945751
>Vampire werewolf rape smut
I read those and it's definitely not a valuable hobby. It's just entertainment.

>>726945745
>lose a bunch of Izzat
>project your brownness
Flawless victory.

>>726945846
>is 12 and brown
>thinks every interaction is a debate to be won or lost