[Sad News] Steam games must now disclose whether the artists used references or not
>now>January 9, 2024
>january 2024
You lost, Timmy Tencent
>>727249419Not only is this 2024 because OP forgot to change the date, but it's not even a thing that exists.
>>727249419It would just get ignored even if it was real. Just like the requirement that all screenshots on the store page have to be actual ingame screenshots with the hud and everything enabled, but you still have games with bullshots and cinematic shots in them anyway
WILL NO ONE RID ME OF THIS TURBULENT INDIAN
>>727251075Why are AIs so obsessed with the word turmoil? I rape this girl's little sister and later on she's relieved the "earlier turmoil" has passed. I nearly Hitman-drown her in the toilet after she refuses to suck the cum out of her little sister's pussy and she remarks later that she's glad the turmoil is behind her. What is this, the 60s? Are is this some Bozo The Clown routine?
Why are AI devs so afraid to tell customers that their game contains AI generated content?
>>727252084because of retards who conflate 'using AI to automate busywork like generating textures' with 'indian facebook ghibli scam shit'
>>727249419It doesn't matter anyway, you can train your own model with a little bit of everything so that it can never be identified, any tranny who thinks they know better are insane and lying. This is how you get original looking shit, all artist copy each others style anyway, its absolutely hypocritical to blame AI which is essentially what they do.
BioWare traced over photos of celebs & models while making BG2 portraits. I don't understand why the industry is having such a pissing & shidding fit now since it's just what they've always been doing, anyway.
This will resolve itself in a couple of years when every dev just puts this disclaimer by default and nobody gives it a second thought.
>>727249419Toyotarobros...
One of the promises of AI generation was the fact that you don't have to deal with the entitled pissy dramafags that are artists.So can someone explain to me how AI "artists" managed to become even more insufferable and thinskinned?
>>727249419Define a reference...Is "The" a reference?
>>727252791Everyone basically wants to be cool and recognized for something, even if it's a very low-brow, low-effort attempt. When people don't respect the way that attempt at recognition is reached, drama ensues.Like, among artists there has been the whole schism between people who draw original stuff, and those who basically draw fan art (latest thing, their favorite thing, whatever). Enough so, that I vividly remember people shitting on flash animations that were parodies on games or other popular media, basically because it got more views. Like, here's one flash animation on that subject alonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSCp-08-QO8It's a bit ironic since rtil, the guy who animated it, is making a living by drawing porn on animate characters nowdays
>>727249419>posted January 2024Okay?
>>727249419>discosureOP when you make shitty edits at least proofread them first you lazy nigger fuck.
>>727249419>POSTED Tue, January 9, 2024>Back in January,In the January before January? This shit doesn't even make sense.
>>727252154>using AI to automate busywork like generating texturesNoooooYou just don't get it.Devs HAVE to waste 10 seconds making textures for the floor, leaves, trees, hair, cloth instead of wasting 10 seconds getting one shat out by AI.
>>727252154I mean that is true
Luddites cannot be reasoned with by logic, so the trick is to play with their book of retardation and go for one-upping. For example:>Why does Gabe allow AI games on Steam at all if he's such a good guy? AI is theft after all.
The ass pain from AI shills has been hilarious
>People get actually mad over devs being forced to be transparent about the material they're using>People get actually angry over devs being forced to be open whether or not they used AI>People unironically get mad that Games MIGHT have to provide information in advance for the buyer to decide if they tolerate AI usage or not.Why do some retards get asshurt that people want transparency for their potential purchases? Like, why do people oppose the idea that People can know about the sources that were used to make a game?
>>727253786>transparencyGames are not required to disclose Photoshop, DAW or IDE usage so where's the transparency?
>>727249419If the game is fun I don't care how it was made.Besides, games have been using algorithms to generate content for decades.
>>727252084Cause they need to justify the $100 price tag on games and its hard to do that when they know THOUSANDS of devs have been fired and replaced with AI. Realistically, games with AI shouldn't cost more that $40 USD.
>>727253871Oh my mistake, I'm sorry. I meant transparency where it actually matters.
>>727254676>moving the goal postsSo you're against transparency now? Why not disclose those things too so customers can make an informed decision? I don't want to buy a game where photoshop was used, they should've just hired a real painter
>>727252791you're the entitled pissy dramafag
I've never understood why AI bros are so mad about people knowing they use AI in projects. Surely if you think it's a good thing you should have no issue telling people right?
>>727249419>>727255646OP should suck start a shotgun
>>727255646Because people are fucking retarded.>Warning: Contains MSG
>>727252154>AI haters are slowly losing it and are eating up AI tech as long as it isn't attacking their favorite artworks(because ai is only for stealing ART!)Haha
If you can't bother drawing assets then I can't bothered opening my wallet.
I need to know if art is AI or not. Because if I admire some drawing you've made and it turns out you didn't draw it, I'll feel like a fool. How dare you betray me thinking you poured time and energy into it.
>>727254761you are right, they should disclose how many times the devs went to the bathroom as well
>>727249419It would be easier to just say what percentage of the dev team is Indian.
>>727251075Doesn't surprise me if the bracket poster guy is indian. No matter how many of its threads get reported it still comes back.
If you won't pay for your art, why should I pay for your game?
>>727256152>>727256756This only matters to people who give a shit about vidya "artists". And we know nobody does except said "artists".Learn to sweep!
>>727257098Roombas can sweep.
>>727252154>with 'indian facebook ghibli scam shit'Black ops 7?
Why do indians make all the worst threads on this board?
>>727249419Why the fuck is this allowed? And why do consumers not revolt over it? Valve is literally discriminating against devs. Steam should be boycotted.
>>727256756>I don't pay for your game if the art is not hand-made!>The hand-made art:Imagine if Toby had AI tools available when he made Undertale, maybe it could actually look half decent
>>727257439>AI fan doesn't understand the heart that comes from low fidelity or pixel art
>>727257463There's good pixel art, then there's garbage low effort pixel art (Undertale).Picture related, actually decent pixel art.
>>727257582looks like shit compared to undertale, lilbro
>>727257690Give me the drugs that you're on anon
>>727249419>2024
>>727257690>Undertale art is not bad, it's simplistic by choice!Jesus christ Undertale fans can be delusional. It's ok to admit that not every part of your favorite game is perfect.
>>727257809>>727256573>>727253448>>727249875>>727249479>>727249462Thanks for the (you)'s, steamies ;)
>low effort bait>obvious mistakes>people say its bait>/v/iggers still fall for it
it's fucking funny how we went devs doing behind the scenes/making of videos of devs proudly showing how they made stuff to asshurt devs whining about how they have to show how they abused ai slop to cut corners
>>727257914>>727255646I came here to agree with this guy and also tell OP to kill themselves
Sirs is this real?
>>727257914>>727257849>Heheh, gonna get them by epicly editing the html and post a screenshot>Spends a ton of time writing out whatever the fuck that is in broken corporate speak>Gets called a retard because it's immediately obvious because you're too stupid to edit the date>Heheh gotcha ;)LOL, you'll gettem next time lil guy
>>727258154My epic ownage thread is going to reach bump limit and you'll seethe.
It's funny to see AI enthusiasts reject Steam's pro-consumer stance. It's almost as if they see they algorithm-generated art as an easy way to make money. Funny, isn't it?
>>727256291Unironically this.
>>727252084because people associate it with "cheating" and assume that it's inherently a lower quality product that doesn't deserve their money because it didn't involve as much time/labor to produce.the real low iq shit starts when people start bitching about placeholder images in betas or even ai in free games.
AIcucks, you have to wage tomorrow.
>>727258187Yeah with you getting shit on the entire time
People complaining about the AI warnings on steam are the funniest motherfuckers because their whole argument always leans on>WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE MORE INFORMED ABOUT THE PRODUCT YOU'RE ABOUT TO PURCHASEand then make retarded arguments about it.
>>727249419Most professional devs won't disclose that they use AI and that's objectively a good thing. Maybe indie trash will finally get killed for good since only indie devs are dumb enough to be honest about the way their "game" is made.
>>727258519Almost like they know AI "art" is worthless and forcing it wide open makes them self-conscious.
>>727249419>discosure
>>727249419>me, who never ever uses referencesmy time has come, even if only to shitpost into a shitpost thread
>>727257849>I know I've owned you because you called me a mouth breathing faggot x3
>>727249419>2024>discosureask ai to help you next time (unironically)
>>727252154>Pattern recognition is bad mmmkay?
>>727257439Id unironically play a game that looks like a 4 year old drew it before I play AI slop. You don't get what the point of art is. All you ever talk about is porn, there is no point arguing about this.
>>727259285You have to remember that 99.9% of the "people" you're arguing with think that all video games are just toys, and they can't understand why you have a problem with "faster" toy production.
>>727259147What's the pattern? Cause I don't see it, seems more like false equivalence to me
>>727252084>contains AI generated contentThe definition according to Valve is "made with the help of AI". The game can have entirely handmade assets but if you had ChatGPT guide you through learning the engine then, technically, you should have the disclosure. But 99% of devs in this situation won't put that on their game in this situation and the 1% that does gets all the backlash.
>>727258519Because mouth breathing retarded gaymers are too stupid to see the beauty of AI.So we must protect them from their own stupidity.
I don't see what the issue is with closing that I used AI to help make my game. I believe the artistic quality will speak for itself and show that it isn't "AI slop". People will be willing to overlook it when they see how many custom animations I painstakingly made for it frame by frame and how many hours of content it has.
>>727260407>I believe the artistic quality will speak for itself and show that it isn't "AI slop". People will be willing to overlook it when they see how many custom animations I painstakingly made for it frame by frame and how many hours of content it has.And I believe you've got a lot of unearned faith in tumblrtroons and 4chan contrarians who'll both poison the well as hard as they can for different reasons
>>727259285Enjoy your handmade slop then, even low effort AI art is better than the "art" of 90% of indie games.
>>727260593Perhaps. But I'd feel bad if I lied to my audience about using it. The disclosure will clarify that it was just used for occasional guidance during game development and that all writing, music, art assets and animations were done entirely by me. If just seeing the disclosure at all makes some people avoid the game without reading to see how it was actually used... so be it. I won't lie.
prove it that i made it with ai thennot my problem
>>727249419>Timmy is seething so hard he has to fake shitReally nigga? You're a billionaire, stop wasting your life being angry at Gabe.
>>727260785An AI slop game that pretends to not use AI is going to get bought instead. Anyone that cares about if it uses ai or not are never going to buy your game.
>>727260785I won't lie either, I just won't say it if I don't have to. Because if I say it, people expressly will start lying about it to humble their perceived enemySame kind of shit's happened to better people than me before
>>727252791they're like this since day one
>>727261068Dishonesty can sometimes pay off. But that's just not the kind of person I am. I didn't put all this effort into the project just to lie about it when it actually releases. Games like Arc Raiders have been massively successful with the disclaimer so it can be done.
>>727260864We can literally tell with our eyes dude. None of your "art" will look legit. AI may have gotten "better" but it's still very far from indistinguishable from human art.
>>727252154Consumers can have retarded perceptions of things but their perceptions still need to be respected. The best way to change perspectives is to show them that the thing is better than they think. If there's a perception that your car brand is unsafe you put more marketing into its safety features and its safety rating. AI creators don't do this because they know everyone can hear and see AI right away and they hate it so they resort to just saying your feelings about AI are wrong and it's great actually.
>>727262201Do you think the developers of Expedition 33 chose not to disclose their AI use because they didn't believe that their product was good? It seems like a case of the opposite to me, they knew it was really good wanted people to actually give it a shot to see how good it is without dismissing it for AI use.
>>727262201>but their perceptions still need to be respectedNo, they are retarded cattle and need to be treated as such.
>>727259515Faster development is fine though. It's if they fill their game with slop then it's an issue.
>>727249419Imagine if Steam did this.Which artists would be outted the most?
>>727252154>It's the consumers that are wrong!Yeah this way of thinking has worked out GREAT so many times before.
>>727265423See>>727262348How many customers would have still given Expedition 33 a chance if they'd been open about their AI use? How many GOTY awards would it still have won? It'd be the exact same game of course, just with the disclaimer on the Steam page.
>Ai lover tries to bait people into confirming a double standard but lacks the attention to detail to edit a single news post without making a glaring obvious mistake.Well if the shoe don't fit nicely
>>727265834You forgot your period at the end.
>>727252084copypastaI've actually seen an interesting comment(don't remember from where) about AI and how people see it.It went like this;>You have two different types of creatives. >Those that see the process as a key part of creation.>Those that see the end result as the only key part of creation.>Those that value process don't care much for AI because it's doing the part that actually matters, the creation process as a whole.>Those that only value the end result love AI because they can "create" whatever they want.Narcissists, of which jeets are notorious for being, all fall under the latter group of only caring about the end result. There's no passion, no love, just an end result and demand for applause and adoration. They don't understand beauty because to them the beauty isn't important, making money and becoming famous is. Those that don't value the creative process are those shilling AI heavily and talking about how EVERYONE WILL BE REPLACED AND AI WILL BE THE ONLY THING SO YOU CAN'T SAY I DON'T HAVE ANY CREATIVE ABILITY YOU WILL BOW DOWN AND PRAISE ME FOR WHAT I MADE.Basically, those that praise AI to such an extent are glorified idea guys who need someone else to make their ideas a reality. But now they won't have to deal with other people. Expect lawsuits and copyright disputes to spike though since they'll all be suing each other over their supposed super original ideas that are so generic Isekai Harem LNs are more unique.
>>727265423Consumers are actually retarded on this issue. Anti-AI is at the phase right now where it's equivalent to mothers preventing their kids from playing Pokemon to protect them from Satan or some shit.
>>727265423The consumers ARE wrong when they are not judging the final product but the means of production.
>>727271789>>727269478The means of production are included in the final product tardismo, denying that the aesthetic of a product's design process is important for consumer purchasing is denying both the success of the iphone (a lifestyle brand) and the success of "hand-made" furniture which generally is not higher in quality than high end factory furniture. Purchases are intended to satisfy the customer, nothing more, nothing less, and if the customer is unsatisfied with the aesthetic of the product then you have made a bad product!
>>727272928>The means of production are included in the final product tardismoYeah, I remember when I was in the middle of Wizardry 7, I broke down and cried because I could just tell how laced the game was with no inclusive development. Earth Defense Force really dropped the ball because the game just reeks of full work weeks with no vacation time. It's hard to enjoy Rollercoaster Tycoon knowing that the sole developer had to make everything in assembly on a potato in his garage, a real harrowing detraction from the gameplay.Or maybe you're a gigantic fucking faggot.
>>727273330If you cared about the aesthetic of supporting only companies with a good working environment then you would be appalled if you learned it was actually awful, that's correct (very glad you're catching on so fast). I'm not one of those people so I would enjoy those games anyway, but I still think that consumers should be accurately informed of anything they care for regarding the product before their purchase. You wouldn't be advocating for lying by omission, would you?
Why are people defending AIfags not being willing to write a few words stating the fact that they used AI in the creation of the game? That's literally all this is about. It's not going on your knees and begging people to buy your game or whatever the fuck, it's just describing how the AI was used. That is quite literally all people want in regards to this, because being informed on what went into developing a game is objectively good no matter how you slice it unless you're on the side of hiding and obfuscating things.
But almost all pixel-shite indie games rip off old Japanese games both artstyle and gameplay wise, so why haven't I seen any reference acknowledgments yet?
>>727269478>t. born 6 years after the satanic panicWhere is the brilliant AI media that people are being denied?
>>727273850Because people like you will assume the entire game is slop and disregard it even if AI is barely used during development for fixing an error in the code or whatever. All the work the artists, writers and musicians did gets thrown away as you assume an AI did it for them. Also you'd only even know this if the developer was honest, so this policy punishes honesty and rewards dishonesty.
>>727277041The frontrunner for Game of the Year, for one. Or rather, it would have been looked over if they had disclosed it from day one instead of quietly admitting to it and replacing it when people noticed.
>>727277301What are you basing this on? What genuinely good game has gotten horribly received solely because they stated AI was getting used in small aspects?
>>727278018Everybody's Golf Hot Shots didn't even use AI in the sense we mean it today and gave itself the disclaimer for using Speedtree. This led to mass controversy and boycotts. The game flopped really hard and this was the biggest reason for that as it turned people against it from day one of being announced and having the steam page go live.Alright it might not have been a masterpiece but it is an example of a game getting unfairly shit on for having the disclaimer for something incredibly small.
>>727278482>didn't even use AIThen why are you bringing it up? I was talking about a game using AI.
>>727278662You know that makes it worse, right? It has the AI disclaimer for something so minor that it doesn't even really count and it got destroyed for it. That's all it took.
>>727249419steam is so fucking based
>>727249419AI girls are real to me
