What's your most pretentious vidya opinion?
I view guys that play nintendo games on their switch the same as girls that play candy crush on their phone
>>727481646Competitive multiplayer games are for hormonal teenagers who feel like they have something to prove in the social hierarchy
>>727481646>That one doe who be squirtin too much on massa's cock
>>727481646Apparently me liking kbm for most games. Dude called me an elitist over it, i just like it man
Video games aren't art, and the best written stories in vidya from Planescape Torment to whatever the fuck are dogshit trash compared to any random /lit/ selection pick.
>>727482376This isn't pretentious at all imo it's perfectly reasonable.
>>727482087Normal?
>>727482376Define "art."
>>727482376thats just ignorant not pretentious
Games don't have to be fun to be good
>>727481646>Pretentious Why does it feel like this word gets used only by retards nowadays?
>>7274823761000% correct
>>727482409The Elden Ring and E33 threads on /lit/ would have me think differently
>>727481646>non vidya thumbnail>barely on topic vidya tangent starterNo.
>>727481646Sports games aren't for gamers.
>>727482087fpbp
FF12 is the best in the franchise
>>727482307Tpbp
the ending of firewatch was thematically coherent and exactly what anyone with a functioning prefrontal cortex would have expected
>>727482425Unironically respect this take and reaction, I think the word "pretentious" does too much heavy-lifting for people these days
I'm so tired of Reddit and Tiktok "reaction" images that are just some random person barely emoting with a text caption. Go back.
videogames are the culmination of all art mediums into one. music, visual, literary, game theory and dilemmas all form the boundaries of creative thinking. this makes it the ultimate form of expression.
>>727482376Prosefags are a dying breed and lit eclipses vidya in prose. In terms of plotting there's not much difference if at all when considering all of the famous fantasy and sci-fi books. In terms of plotting, three of the mostly highly acclaimed novels in world literature involve a day in the life of an easily distracted cuckold, the adventure of a forty year old European justifying his repeated rape of an American teenager, and a story about a whale that doesn't even show up until the final few chapters just to kick everybody's ass. Plotfags grow by the day and do not give a shit about the strengths of /lit/
>>727481646Only stupid people are impressed with Steins;Gate's time travel.
Watching streams of games is as good as playing video games. Gameplay is only a very minor factor of games.
Video games should always strive to be games rather than art.
>>727482503Don't agree but always liked that one, I respect your taste anon.
>>727482476Dude, sport games have always been popular.
>>727481646identifying as a "gamer" is incredibly embarrassing, it's fine to play and talk about video games but making that a part of your identity makes you a deeply unserious person
>>727482610>>727482621>/vt/ranny discord double posting
>>727482416Not a game
>>727481646Being elitist and looking down on people who play a particular genre of games, (multiplayer vs. single player, horror vs action) while mindlessly playing your games as if you're putting your time to better use is insanely autistic and gay and you should be removed from reality if you genuinely felt elitist at any point.
I think it's completely fine for video games to sacrifice gameplay in favor of story. I don't think it should be the standard, but doing so certainly isn't the end of the world. There will always be a demand for "gamey" video games.
>>727482579Completely agreed, and I say this as a massive Joycefag. Video game narratives are obsessed with so-called "lore" to the point of missing out on literally any other storytelling device or technique. I like Joyce and DFW so I'm all for encyclopedic writing....but not when that's the only thing to offer.
>>727482646Only complete retards or sperg call themselves gamers, the main label comes from people putting others down for playing games when they've absolutely played games at some point or another. It's just retarded social dynamics where people need to feed their little ego.
>>727482376considering art is banana taped to wall or buckets of sand stacked on each other I hope video games never become "art"
>>727482610He said pretentious, not retarded.
>>727482646>deeply unserious
>>727481646Gameplay is no longer more important than story because it’s easy to find a game with good gameplay but harder to find a game with a good story.That being said, that also means having an actively bad story is more detrimental than having no story.See Fire Emblem Engage.
>>727483765>having an actively bad story is more detrimental than having no storyIt's been the bane of recent Sony games. I enjoy TLOU2, Horizon, Ghost of Yotei when the games just let me enjoy their fun, polished combat. But then I'm forced into another 5-10 minute walk and talk or dislogue wheel and want to fucking scream.
>>727481646Vidya is a higher form of art than cinema because it's interactive and allowing players to make decisions makes them more personally invested in their outcome.The only reason it's not a higher form of art than literature is because it's younger and still subject to technical limitations pertaining developer foresight and how deeply the player can interact with a narrative.
>>727482716So a pile of shit is art?
>>727481646Liking niche games usually means you have better taste than people who only play popular games.
>>727481646Alpha Protocol is the best RPG of all time, and nothing comes close
>>727482087they are>>727482279they are>>727482307they are>>727482376also trueFuck. It's a normal thread with good takes based in reality.
>>727482376Games that are made with a passion is art. Games that are a quick cash grab or made by a team that couldn't care less is not art. It's the same reason why you would consider some churches to have an artistic structure while others don't.
>>727481646most people are braindead mongoloids who want something to gawk at and turn their brain off to and that's why we'll never have a good mainstream gaming market even if current AAA crashes, normies ruined video games
>>727482645Sports games are usually played by sports fans. Go to their house and look at their collection, and you'll see 90% sports games and the occasional normie game like GTA here or there. I've never known a single person who likes sports games and RPGs.
>>727482646I call myself a gamer ironically because I'm a deeply unserious person
>>727482476it's the groid genre
>>727484684So you agree Expedition 33 isn't art?
>>727484936I like sports games and rpgs, though in recent years I did stop playing sports games since they all went to shit. got Madden and NHL yearly for like 15 yearsjrpgs and mmo's have always been my favorite games though. Im still a diehard football watcher the games are just fucking trash now
>>727485483of course E33 isn't art
>>727481646Has this place just become xitter.
>>727481646pve games don't need to be difficult because a pvp games already satisfy the desire for challenge to a much greater extentthere's no point in making singleplayer games challenging, they will never be able to compete with multiplayer games
>>727482087Normalfags who can get sex with relative ease?
>>727481646DSL.
>>727485821post playtime
>>727482645And of course popularity is equivalent to quality, validity, artistic merit, etc.
>>727486164I didn't say that. I say that there were always gamers who also liked sports games.
>>727481646I just really hate my coworkers for talking about Fortnite. It's the only game I hear them talk about. Asked the fat native american guy if he liked Turok and he has no idea what the fuck Turok is. They are all fucking gay.
>>727486206I wouldn't exactly call them gamers.
>>727484684>Games that are made with a passion is art.look at this anon, able to determine absolutely what is done with passion and what isn't, look guys, he's the MASTER of superficiality
>>727486434NTA but I'm also a master of superficiality.
The japanese make superior games. A few exceptions by non-japs doesn't disprove the rule.
>>727481646All games, every game in every genre is art because art is human perception. An incredible nature shot isn't art until a person sees it and even the dullest, most function-driven mechanical design is art - we put tanks in museums with more respect than paintings. But also something being art doesn't mean it's worth buying or playing or even looking at and 99% of indie developers throwing shit on Steam should kill themselves for wasting my time.
>>727482591It's just your basic "alternate timelines" plot, isn't it? I'm pretty sure people only like Steins;Gate because of the cute girls anyway.
>>727484127Disagree. A talented author/screenwriter/director can make emotional beats happen at specific times with specific descriptors/music/settings so that they evoke an intense emotional reaction from the viewer/reader leading to a profound, and possibly life chaning, experience. Due to the interactive nature of video games, story beats are not hit at specific times in the same way and thus do not evoke the same emotional punch. I enjoy games as much as the next person but film combined with good music is best medium for evoking complex emotions in the viewer.Also most game writing is dogshit.
>>727483868I felt the exact same way playing Cyberpunk.
>>727482610I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you don't mean that applies to all genres
>>727486916>Also most game writing is dogshit.This is the same across mediums.
Nobody in this thread has any fucking idea what they're talking about. Which means they've replied appropriately. So have I.
>>727482579Moby Dick shows up around a third into the book. but you probably just watched the movie and jacked off to Gregory Peck.
>>727482376As an actual book reader, I think books are overrated, and it's filled with billions of slops written by a random retard amongst couple of actual kinos
>>727488159Forgot to add: vidya narrative is not bad considering the couple decades of history, compared to millennia of /lit/. Especially vn department, they are alright
>>727482816Elden Ring is a good example of this>amazing worldbuilding that draws deeply from Indo-European and Mediterranean history, gnosticism, hermeticism, and Western mysticism>plot is a haphazard mess and the player character unceremoniously kills off virtually every interesting character, directly or indirectly
>>727482503Wrong, it's tactics12 is second place though
>>727481646quake is my favourite videogame
Anybody who tells you to go read a book for daring to enjoy the plot of a video game doesn't read books.
>>727481646N
>>727482376i get the feeling you don't actually read books or engage with art. only someone who's not an art person would think this due to romanticisng things they don't understand.
>>727481646The first Assassin's Creed is the best one.
>>727488702>>727488774Hit the nail on the head. "Book = intellect" is a classic midwit thought process and a textbook example of pretention.
>>727481646Dawn of War 3 is way better than 2, which is dogshit and overrated.Assassins's Creed not only is the best game in the series, it is actually a great fucking game.Silksong is a boring, bland and irrelevant game that made some noise solely because of the memes. The proof is it's already forgotten, nobody talks about it aside from some sad obese coomers.I'm 100% sure it will be the same thing with Half Life 3. Past games were just tech demos, the games aren't that interesting.I don't care if you disagree. You're wrong, retarded and brown.
>>727489174Assassin's Creed Odyssey*
>>727488702notice how people say this about video game stories and video game music but nobody feels like they're above enjoying video game artwork. i think that's really strange.
>>727482376this is the only pretentious opinion. People think games are art only because they are fun and fun things are seen as childish by pretentious miserable people.
>>727489325I mean people think games AREN'T art because they are fun. So they call them not art in order to make fun of them and people who like them.Its like saying you hate trees, so any painting with a tree in it is not art.
>>727489174cont.Also I have no idea how a franchise like Metroid is still going.Not even talking about their latest crap, but overall the game is just not memorable and has ZERO cultural impact.Ok so you have Samus and... that's it?No iconic characters, no iconic soundtracks, no iconic bosses or enemies, pratically nonexistent lore.The turning into a ball thing is absolutely retarded and dumb, always was.That this shit franchise is still going while Castlevania is dead is a crime against humanity.
>>727481646Lore in some games can get really obnoxious>>727482816This but with Nier, after going through Automata and Replicant then the Drakengard games I find myself enjoying the series less and less, like I'm not playing the series for the characters themselves and their world but to see how it ties up with whatever the fuck Taro has in mind for lore. Admittedly this is all on me but I find it frustrating nonetheless.
3d zelda is lamecutscenes are gayforced tutorials are cancer
>>727489387>no iconic characters>no iconic bosses or enemiesSamus, baby metroid, ridley, kraid, dark samus, SAX. Lemme guess, you need more?
You're allowed to use savestates but if you do, your opinion on the gameplay is meaningless.
>>727481646In a climate where performance and graphics are giving diminishing returns, software is secondary to the features of a console that then enable the software or console itself to do unique things.This is my theory/opinion as to why Nintendo is doing so well and why Microsoft shit the bed. Being able to gamble on "fuck it, let's make a handheld that is dockable our main console" definitively introduced a concept into the gaming market that all other major players then tried to copy in some aspect. This is also why this same theory didn't do so well during the WiiU and GameCube era as the competition and market was seeing considerable pushes and desires for said graphical improvements and performance.I also just think it's the right attitude to have. Video games are for entertaining, and entertainment is supposed to be fun. Being able to introduce new concepts into what a game is increases this entertainment much more than developments of better hardware can.
you're not allowed to like what I don't like.
>>727489562>baby metroid, ridley, kraid, dark samus, SAX. Lemme guess, you need more?Lmao. Absolutely delusional.Nobody that is not a fan has any idea who a single one of those characters is.Take Halo for example. I can guarantee people who never played it can picture the energy sword or a needler, an arbiter, the jeep, know what the theme song is and how the halo thing look likeIn 40 yeats of metroid, what people know about it? There is a girl called samus that turns into a ball and MAYBE the bubble alien thingC'mon now
>>727481646You suck and have shit taste if you just play one or two games over and over again and dont explore new games. This applies to music genres and film genres also
>>727482646>unserious person
>>727481646Games-As-A-Service is incompatible with Games-as-Art and we should repudiate it with all of our might but it won't happen because the goyim want to consoom.
>>727489562Also in addition to what I said about Castlevania, it is the same for Halo.Metroid should have been dead instead of it.Shit franchise for retarded millennials who cannot let go of their childhood.
The primary thing games can provide that no other medium can at this point is atmosphere. Every single thing you can do in a game is ultimately to build the illusion of a time and a place. Any other medium can be incorporated as just one layer of a videogame's presentation; visual art, music, writing, dialogue, and even the mechanics of 'game' itself to drive contextual understanding like hits 'feeling crunchy' or a lack of save points causing anxiety. The final point is to be in a mind state you wouldn't have had otherwise.
>>727482376OK, guess you don't have a problem with censorship then.
>>727482610Sex Ina.
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>>727482591S;G is the pseud's choice of visual novel, always has been.
>>727489280Honestly there's some gorgeous digital art, it's just there's so much of it that it's almost desensitized us and made us only think good art has to be in a galleryThat being said if you made a wine sipping vidya art gallery show people would show up.
>>727482591>Reddits;Gate
>>727481646that'd be me pardner
Slop is a word largely used by people who don't leave their time game bubbles and have no taste. Most video games, even if directional messes, have something to offer, and unless its actively designed to siphon as much money out of players as possible (Mario Kart Tour, Infinity Nikki, Acecraft, etc.) writing them off is retarded, and even then it's worth finding interesting things about those kinds of games, albiet without supporting them directly. To get off my pedestal tho crossover slop like Fortnite and most of the Sonic Racing Games is actually ruining everybody's taste and it sucks.
>>727482610Yeah bro, I'm defenitely getting the same enjoyment watching someone play doom than playing it myself. It is true for walking simulators though.
>>727490072books can do this if you have a good enough imagination
I love watching long winded melodramatic “The Quiet Sadness of Super Mario Galaxy” style video essays
Gameplay is the most important part of the video games.
>>727490440Sure, but then it's you generating the time and place as you'd have had it based on a series of language prompts. Games let the creators be excrutiatingly specific with their vision, which also means multiple players can share the same experience.
>>727490497Who doesn't love listening to a soft-spoken, limp-wristed zoomer faggot going on and on, hours and hours about inane bingbing wahoo shit
>>727490619This but completely unironically
>>727489280It's because video games are a visual medium and still have to follow composition, color theory, contrast, etc. It's not different enough for even midwits to get hung up on.
>>727481646If a game has woke elements I'll just pirate it. Mod it after to remove DEI
The Zelda series is really dull. The gameplay feels so arbitrary and fake, the aesthetics too clinical. The games feel like an AI's impression of a fantasy world. Can never get into them
In all mediums you have the high quality and the "fun/stupid" content and most people know there is a time and a place for both. Ex:>BooksSteinbeck/Hemingway vs Minotaur Milking Farm>MoviesKubrick films vs TedAnime/MangaMature Seinen vs The time I turned into my grandpas hairy asscheeks etc.But with video games nowadays it feels like there is a push for every game to have "mature and good writing" and any game that has a bit of goofiness to it like some jrpgs is hated against. It's as if these gamers are little children wanting to be taken seriously but refuse to actually engage with mature stories in the form of books or another medium and instead bring that angst and want turn what should be a fun and relaxing hobby into validation that they are more mature than others who are comfortable playing games as a break from life and would maybe prefer a more lighthearted and simple story.
Silent Hill peaked with Shattered Memories.
>>727481646The design of a game's mechanics is a form of artistic expression.Not all game mechanics are art, but the arrangement of game mechanics in a way that supports a mood you're trying to create is an artistic skill.Thus, games that try to minimize gameplay out of existence in the name of "art" are missing what games can uniquely contribute to art.
>>727481646People who don't like escort quests are the same type of idiots that who let their supports die in multiplayer games. They don't know how to turn around. You literally know where the npc is going to be. You walk forward and act like you can just mash on enemies for 30 seconds as if no one is behind you.
>>727482503>>727488621Knowing that I walk the same Earth as my fellow Ivalicefags is what keeps me going.
I feel like everything nowadays is overwritten and overexplained, nothing is left unsaid or implied. There's no subtlety and I mostly see it in American media online but it's seeping across the entire English speaking world by the looks of things. It's one of the reasons I like Miyazaki games, despite all the bullshit about zanzibart, at least it's left up to interpretation unlike the rest of the shit that gets pumped out. I feel that way about a lot of film as well.Also aesthetics and graphics ARE important, just not at the expense of good gameplay/performance. No one would call you retarded for being amazed at the film quality of Lawrence of Arabia so people shouldn't bash others for liking those things in games, after all it is a visual medium.
>>727482087I view anti-nintendo fags as hipsters who never grew out of the mindset that they MUST play M rated slop (ironic since most M rated slop is handholding garbage with infant tier puzzles).>>727481646my most pretentious take is that movie games are for the lowest common denominator and people who dont actually want to engage with the medium properly
>>727490072This is ultimately why I love games so much. I can enjoy even the most garbage games if the atmosphere gets me even a little bit. Doubly so for music. The only thing that will take me out of it is bad dialogue in games like Horizon.
>>727488159>>727488486>how do you do
>>727488774>>727488983nabokov or faulkner for favorite late modernist novelists?
>>727490497Haven't watched this, but I can kind of agree with the title. There's a certain feeling of isolation or quietness (music aside) that's unique to Galaxy.
>>727490118In games? And ONLY in games? No totalitarian overreach? That'd be like censoring a slot machine. Only an undisciplined addict would bitch
>>727491972Imagine if Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines had no atmosphere. Nobody would even remember it.
Some guy is going to repost this on his Twitter. I know you're here Rock, you fucking cunt. No one likes you
>>727481646Saying something is souls like, like dark souls invented anything new.
>>727490072maybe the biggest retard ITT and that's saying something, probably just turned 12 or 13
90% of videogames are absolute bottom-of-the-barrel dogshit with a special shout-out to Gacha games and no amount of seething, pornposting or "muh boardculture" will ever make me accept gachafags as valid /v/itizens
>>727492069Nabokov seems like the biggest pretentious prick imaginable but Faulkner wrote like he was jacking off to himself in the mirrorMy choice is Hemingway
>>727492275based
>>727492303retard likes shit prose describing pseudo-masculinity archetypes, checks out. you would like blood meridian too
>>727492137Yup. It's why pic related is something I won't forget. It had a really pretty looking setting and tone.
>>727482579>and a story about a whale that doesn't even show up until the final few chapters just to kick everybody's ass.we need to invent a new word for this scenario where somebody is filtered so hard that they don't even end up on the same planet
>muh setting and atmosphereWe already have that outside. Go outside.>but i live in a boring crapholesaar
>>727492261Useless bitching, unless you explain yourself.
>>727492303>Nabokov seems like the biggest pretentious prickThat would very infamously be JoyceCome on man at least pretend you know how to read
>>727481646Millennial Writing isn't the problem.
>>727482646This was only pretentious like 10 plus years ago, the writing is on the wall now that the word "gamer" is corpo-coded, sometimes even normie-coded
>>727488159>>727488702It's fucking hilarious whenever someone tries to hype up books as inherently intellectual as if the majority of (especially modern) writing isn't complete dreck. It's just an extremely mature medium so there's been loads of time for cream to rise to the top. If we had a few thousand years making video games instead of under a century I'm sure it'd be easy to dig up artful and intellectual examples to cite
>>727492565Okay but why is that a pretentious take? Why do you think that subhuman subcultural swamp of shit isn't the problem?
>>727482087
>>727492374I like it when the author GETS TO THE FUCKING POINT. I just need to know what happens and I can deduce conclusions like an adult with normal reading comprehension. I don't need 22 pages of senseless flowery details. Oh but the prettiness, the prose, its so pretty. silence
>>727492667but books of today are inspired by those creams of the crop, whereas all video game writing is still dogshit. there's not all that much stopping modern game writers to be at least as good as in other contemporary mediums. or are you trying to answer OP's request
>>727492740>I have a fixation with informationThere's a word for that already
>>727492275No amount of seething about the specific model of a game's monetization is going to enhance your actual complaints against it, retard-kun.
>>727491293the funny thing with video games is that since the medium is SO normie saturated and they just want a dopamine dripfeed the mainstream curved towards being a brainless feed of accomplishment; but people don't want to feel like the children they are for enjoying that hence the whole attempt to cover it up with intellectual posturing. It's the whole reason we're saturated with "movie games" now where there's no meaningful challenge and the player is spoonfed everything while an epic narrative occurs to make them feel mature and cultured
>>727482579There's nothing I could say that would be a better case against you than letting your own post stand as a monument to your retardation. Congrats
>>727492667video game writing is just dogshit, anon. so is anime. but there's lots of really good comic book writers and that medium is young as shit. its not really about age. video game writing just always needs to funnel players into action, which is why revenge stories and shit are so predictable common.
>>727482610
Most pretentious opinion:You cannot trust fans with your creative works. Let them make their fan art and fan lore, but, as a creator, don’t be beholden to their reactions for rejecting their contributions to the IP.Most fan works are shit and creators should remember that fans are only along for the ride. I’d write more, but I haven’t built up this opinion rigorously. I’d defend the essence of it, though.
>>727492852based comment. completely explains why expedition 33 was a soulless husk of a game
>>727482816Joyce is fucking shit-tier and you only out yourself as a pseud for liking him. He is ejected from the literary canon along with Dickens, though I'll accept a Christmas Carol since at least it isn't more paid-by-the-word drivel
>>727492873>video game writing is inherently shit because... it needs to support a literal plot as well as gameplayYou are the most slackjawed, drooling, retarded faggot in this thread.
>>727482610you are underaged and jobless>>727483131kek
>>727492740You would hate Dostoevsky, lmaoKerouac strikes a good balance between detail and brevity, imo. That’s the impression I got from ‘Dharma Bums’.
>>727492740terminal stage case of narrative brain
>>727492760there are VNs people consider critically acclaimed if you think writing is the main metric to judge by. I was thinking more of games that use the medium of gameplay itself in an artistic fashion>>727492873there are some games I'd consider genuinely well-written but I'll agree the majority are shallow; mostly because of your exact mindset that story should be used to push the gameplay forward
>>727492953>this filtered and madlike an irish bull in an englishman's chinashop
>>727492740How many Dark Souls lore videos do you watch?
>>727492873>video game bad>anime bad>comic goodlole
>>727492667It doesn't matter if it's in video game form or novel form, story is story. The thousands of years that it took for written prose to get to the level it is quite literally seamlessly translates directly into video game writing because it all comes from human experience. The only difference is that video games of course have technical and visual aspects while novels have to focus on sentence structure and organization of information. Most of the great novels deal with normal people in the real world dealing with things. Why exactly does video games need a thousand more years to tell a good story like that?
>>727492558Joyce at least made his continual climb into his own asshole entertaining to read desu
>>727492974And how many Dark souls lore videos do YOU watch, yourself?
>>727493123Comics/manga > anime > vidyaAnime and vidya use the same writing conventions and structures over and over, comic writers will occasionally be unique
>>727492565Anything people call "millennial writing" is 100% designed to appeal to zoomers, and they are mad that Gen Alpha isn't getting made fun of and being bitches about it like zoomers did so they are just lashing out. Like the actual boomers, zoomers are a shit generation and feel the need to attack others to overcome their own shortcomings.
>>727492740>Can't appreciate the beauty of languageDon't even bother reading, zoomer-kun. You are best left to subway surfers and other bing bing wahoo to hold your melted attention span
>>727493175What the fuck does that have anything to do with your point, dumbass? A story wherein the literal impetus for events is someone taking revenge can have any theme it wants to. Just because the revenge happens in many stories doesn't make it always the same story.
>>7274931190, they don't give a shit about trying to tell a story they just want to impress idiots
>>727482087If you mean out in public since it's a portable console, then I can see that. Otherwise it just sounds like the infamous basedface memes live rent free in yo head
>>727492925You are 100% correct. Fans are good for the hype the generate but absolutely shit at actually executing.
>>727493227So you're a retard making enormous sweeping generalizations, ok then
>>727481646Games are literally not important in any way unless they have a novel mechanic
>>727493293Oooh, sounds like a lot, huh?
>>727493060>Projecting this hardKeep seething, joycecuck.
>>727493126no matter how much time narratives have had to mature the 'ludo' end of the ludonarrative experience is very young and so is the process of coupling the two. There are well written visual novels if you solely care about writing, fusing writing and gameplay in a way that works is different. I'd argue much of the games with the best narratives (as of now, at least) do very little in the way of directly speaking to the player and instead communicate through the game itself with relatively brief sections of prose. Off my top of my head return of the obra dinn has a pretty compelling mystery narrative despite having very little spoken dialogue
>>727482307it do be like that
>>727493341Can't even muster one argument kek
This argument about video game writing is extremely dumb. Saying video games need better writing is like saying architecture needs better writing.
>>727493374Zero, I don't play Souls nor care about its lore. I have enough of a functioning brain to understand that a story has themes whether the writers were thinking about it or not.
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>>727493448yeah I don't understand the focus on writing specifically, the whole issue with games that try to be art (at least in the mainstream) is that they do so by aping other mediums like film or writing. How you see that and decide games actually have to do it even more is entirely beyond me
>>727486916>specific times>with descriptors/music/settingsanon reading is 100% self paced and many people stop and continue reading in the middle of sentenceswhat the fuck are you talking about, books are written understanding that people can and will put them down and continue at any timewhat a retarded thing to say, don't try to drag books and literature with you and retarded movieslop as if its the same
>>727486089Yes, and they need to get off my vidya
>>727493518I assume he means in terms of pacing of the writing itself, even if there are breaks in the process a good author can control the level of tension you're feeling about a story at different points in the books. I agree his point comparisons are retarded though
>>727493386>>727493126The two of you seem to be having a fundamental disconnect. It's not that video games have to exist for some arbitrary number of years before the writing can get good and artfully integrated with the gameplay. It's that you can only expect to produce a reasonable number of universally accepted, artful, well written games with time, because there's never going to be some revelation that makes every game, or even every game that cares to try, artful.
>>727493516Big reason that E33 annoys me, though I haven’t played it (lmao). Also annoyed by the hype around the music, which is basically classical-flavored Enya.
>>727481646Games should provide a challenge to be worth playing. If you aren't losing some of the time then that game is not worth playing. This applies universally to action and strategy games, but especially hits hard in strategy games. Gamers that play games to be overpowered to fill out some power fantasy and never face any adversity disgust me. Caveat, troll design with unpredictable death using screamer tier tactics (boshy spider appears and smacks you) is not a valid loss to count.
Western games are, on average, far superior to Japanese games by virtually every metric. And that includes female character design. The biggest problem with Japanese games is it's all very low iq orientated. The writing is supbar and lacking any subtlety at all. There's never any interesting puzzles. The gameplay is always very simplistic. Retards think because Japanese games tend to have large movelists that means they're complex but they rarely have any more depth to their gameplay than glorified RPS. It's always very linear. Japanese make games for retards. It's also scientifically proven Japanese game design is more appealing to beta bitches because it involves the player interacting with the game in a beta bitch manner while western game design is more appealing to alpha chads because they involve encouraging the player to make the game their bitch.
>>727493681>The gameplay is always very simplistic.post clears pussy
>>727493518This >>727493606plus I was mainly talking about film. But books are better as a narrative device and evoking emotion because of how carefully crafted the good ones are. Games have to focus on so many other things that narrative gets pushed to the wayside. Also ludonarrative dissonance issues i.e. Arthur Morgan could be responsible for killing 10,000 innocents or just a few hundred depending on how the user played the game which leads to a story which may not have the same impact between users.
>>727493681This opinion isn’t pretentious, it’s retarded. Assignment failed.
>>727493681>GRRR ME LIKE FREEDOM ME HATE FOLLOW DIRECTION ME HATE PLAY NICE ME WANT SLAY NPC>WEST SUPERIOR JAP INFERIORYeah, no shit.
>>727492814>>727493024>>727493119>>727493282Like jingling keys in front of a baby, you don't engage with literature beyond the momentary entertainment you get from a pleasantly strung together passage. The contents, doesn't matter, the people, doesn't matter. You are so far gone from this world that connection and relation between you and a fictional character is impossible. The thought of someone wanting to just find out what happens next to make some conclusion about the nature of life instead of dwelling on the instantaneous emotional breadth of a few well thought out adjectives must be inconceivable. Performative readers
>>727493637I don't know why so many people are clueless but the 11/10 element in E33 is the voice acting. It required an 8/10 script to precipitate such a performance, but all the credit for why critics and players alike heap so much praise on the package goes to the VAs. E33 is 50% VA 20% music 10% writing 10% cinematography and 10% gameplay.
>>727493883You’re just not an “art for art’s sake” type of guy.
>>727493784>shmups are le complexi'm tired of this meme
>>727493905So it’s like the picturebook of audiobooks?
>>727494003That's a poor comparison when movie game is right there anon.
>>727493905I can't think of a single aspect of video games that is more worthless and inconsequential than voice acting.
>>727493883do you just want books to be written like a bulleted list of events that happened?>and then he went to this place>and then talked to a guy who a guy who said this>and then he went to his house and made dinner
>>727493883
>>727493905I think it’s more that it’s baby’s first jrpg that has none of that yucky anime stuff and epic parrying to keep me engaged (shit that’s been around since the 90s btw)
>>727493883Read the cliff's notes then, summary fag
>>727494163Speaking of movie games, I would be down to try a recent FMV, though I’ll probably just look up a “best-of” list.
>>727494165“Typing of the Dead” would like a word, lmao
>>727493980post clears pussy
Nintendo made the right choice going with cel shaded Wind Waker than the realistic demo they showed.Also Minish Cap is the best 2d Zelda Game
>>727493883>>727494208Reminds me of this excerpt from an IG post.
>>727494379i cleared radiant silvergun and the original r-type because those are the only shmups i find fun. still not complex games.
>>727482087Girls playing Candy Crush in public are somewhat normal.Guys playing Switch are definitely abnormal, suffer from anxiety or Asperger's, and will have difficulty getting laid and maintaining meaningful social relationships.Not the same thing.
>>727494618They’re literally in the PS section.
>>727494165Then you don't understand how humans subconsciously absorb stimulus. That's like saying music doesn't change perception of a game at all. The details, especially those that are not overt, are far more important than the easy targets for critique. Part of the issue with critique itself is that it is tied to the medium of writing. That's why dogshit like political comics are so effective because even the smallest integration of image associations with words conveys more meaning than text alone.That's how you end up with 1000000 hours of timewasting tripe dissecting the words in fromsoft games when the true universal fascination is appreciation of the visual forms in the game. With no proper competing outlet to express the praise for the visual forms all that attention gets diverted into the dumpster of passionately dissecting lore that doesn't exist. That's a consequence of language dominant driven critique culture. Every facet gets forced into the bondage of words and deracinated. The results are confusing and miss the mark of the gestalt.
>>727494618based johan poster
>>727481646i think that just like registered sex offenders, you should be forced to go around the neighbourhood and inform everyone that you play FPS games with a gamepad and aim assists
>>727494618What about people who play on chinkhelds in public
>>727481646Most video games do not have good stories not because they are poorly written, but because they do not use their medium to convey it to you.It'd be like going to the movie theater and instead of getting a film with great actors, sound design, dialogue, and cinematography it was instead 4 hours of the scrpit scrolling by. No one would say it was a good film. That's video game stories to me.
>>727494702>all those words just to say "people feel things"
>>727481646all looter/rpg games should have a good amount of items with 1% and 0.1% drop rates. not loot boxes though, that shit is gay
>>727481646Game = PvPInteractive Experience = everything else
>>727494618quite the projection there champ
>>727495021No, the point was people are very bad at consciously noticing what they enjoyed and even worse at articulating it. The problem of language diverting attention into its native domain further compounds this issue. If the goal is extracting pure reaction to stimulus then usurping words is the ultimate problem to be solved.
>>727488702I say this but only because people try to claim that video games are written well or have a unique story. I don’t care if you enjoyed the story, but it’s highly unlikely that it is well-written and it definitely is not a unique story. the only thing new is something forgotten
>>727491775Lmao this nigger just self admitted to being a peter pan syndrome manchild.
>>727495259Nintendo games are fun, anon. Do you not enjoy fun things?
>>727494568credit feeding bitch
>>727494507kek'd
>>727495361cope lmao
>>727493448retarded comparison. architecture doesn't force shit loreslop and asinine dialogue down my throat
>>727495294>Do you not enjoy fun things?post clears pussy
>>727495436Please translate nu-/v/ to Hindi, then to English.
>>727494208he unironically does, he's one step above the pseuds who "only read nonfiction because fake stories are pointless"
I think low playercount PVP games are for tryhard faggots, but larger playercount PVP games are alright.
>>727495586fiction is for pseuds
>>727493818I don't think games have good narratives when you are comparing them as direct linear stories. in my opinion the gameplay elements and choices the player makes, the order they experience things in, and other such interactive elements should be embraced, if this means weaker structured linear narratives so be it, that isn't what the strengths of the medium of video games are, I am not going to try to argue with you and say they are good.you are absolutely right that games cannot craft these specific moments due to the nature of them and even trying is a massive undertaking that strains other areas.Personally I don't think film and video games are similar at all, books and games are a far more similar experience, both being self paced and driven, the longer time frames, the deeper individual analysis of characters, the way you experience a plot. not to say they are the same either, different mediums.To me, the strength of movies is that multimedia single shot viewing and being very tightly timed, the way it can all come together for a cohesive whole while being driven for a single goal. Books often make for far more intimate narratives with a lot more of your main character(s) in them, there is a lot more time to really get a sense of the person.the strength of games is to me the personal stories you experience, what YOU personally found difficult, that is what your character should have found difficult, games enforcing stories on you that you did not experience yourself is just failing to make use of the medium you are in, it would be like a movie where the pov mc is by themselves most of the time and just talks to themselves constantly, its a little strange and doesn't really suit the medium.you are right in that movies have the tightest experience and how curated it is, not to say books are not that word choice is not obsessed over, but the length of the experience and how you can hold it are just vastly different.
>>727494208Camus's Stranger/Outsider is mostly written exactly like this. But this is done deliberately to show the protagonist's natural incapacity for reflection.
>>727495950*genre fiction
>>727481646video games are art and most are more creative than most movies nowadays. games are also the best medium for horror but most the popular horror games suck.
>>727486434Implying art isn't superficial
>>727496052Haven't read that one but unreliable narrators can be kino if handled well, but literalfags will have a chimpout if they clue in on the trick.
>>727496052That (good) book pissed me off. Talk about impotence. Maybe it was resignation, but I took it more as impotence. For the sake of the board, what games are out there where your choices don’t matter?
>>727496137agota kristoff's notebook trilogy has a kino unreliable narrator.
>>727495054Thats called common sense, not being pretentious.>>727495056>Modern matchmaking systems = interactive experience 9 out of 10 games>That one game out of 10 = actual gameplay and not just a one sided stomp one or the other way
>>727496249Sounds based, thanks anon
>>727482376planescape torment is not the best vidya has to offer play more games
>>727482425wouldn't you say pretentiousness is almost always a consequence of ignorance?
>>727496389I agree, I just chose the first example off the top of my head since I was in threads about Black Isle and it's often cited for its story. I still think the combat and pathfinding in that game are atrocious
>>727481646Gamers deserve 100 dollar, unoptimized shovelware filled with microtransaction. Gamers as a consumer are a blight.
>>727481646niggers have terrible hairlines
>>727484127true its not pretentious to say this though, its objectively true. Games are more immersive than movies. and thus their worlds can feel more alive.
>>727494789Not a single person would care, anon. Not one soul gives a fuck.
>>727496041Good post, I agree with pretty much everything you said. I just struggle to feel real connection with vidya characters due to all the bullshittery you can get up to. I much prefer a game like Dark Souls 1 or Hollow Knight where there's little writing at all and I can imprint and interoperate nearly everything and so can't really be let down by what I would consider bad writing. Those games are inherently about struggling to find your way and complete them and I really enjoy the experience, other than that there's not many narrative games I've truly enjoyed.I enjoyed Detroit Become Human despite how cheesy it was, I did find it enjoyable to dictate the story. I also found Cyberpunk to be a story that really grew on me as it went on and by the end of the main game I was super invested, however, the point at which you can go to embers and the game tells you its the point of no return felt like it came too fast and the fact you can start it when you want sort of takes that tightly designed pacing away from you. The urgency is removed and instead you can start it on your terms. Nevertheless I enjoyed it's themes massively.I really liked RDR2 and honestly thought the endings were good, but I couldn't help but have a wry laugh when Arthur is talking about being good and repenting for his sins despite the fact I was hogtying people and feeding them to alligators.Games like the first 2 Metro games are very good and I think it's due to the structure of level > Artyom narrating > safe zone where you can interact with characters > level. More games need to be structured like that if they want to be taken more seriously or have more impact emotionally.
>>727496249Shadow of the Torturer series is kino as well
>>727482416Featherless biped
>>727482416Something made with the intention of making you feel something :)
>>7274976134chan bait is art
>>727497621WELCOME TO THE FINEST GALLERY
>>727497621It unironically is. It's no different than that urinal art piece by Duchamp.
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>>727497160100% agree with the story-lite games where you can just draw on your own conclusions and not be hampered by writing, its an enjoyable experience.I often enjoy "story focused" games despite the story not because of them and its about the gameplay they have for me.Metro is an interesting one to bring up, to me the structure is just touching on integrating game and story together and not far removed from "game > story > game > story" type of structures but it still makes for a far better experience.the ideal is integration between story and gameplay, what that looks like.... well I don't know, beyond just games that don't let the narrative get in the way which is really just avoiding the issue and not integrating it I just don't know, someone far smarter with more of a vision than me will hopefully one day show us the light and help us truly see what the medium has to offer.I very much have disliked the trend of narrative focused games aping movies but worse instead of actually being games and focusing on the medium of games.
>>727481646People who still play LoL, DotA2, FIFA, CoD and EA's slop in general, are anger addicts and mentally immature subhumans that their opinion of literally anything doesn't matter and shouldn't be taken into account. I barely consider these people as humans at this point, even a junkie is more reliable than an anger addict.
Art is anything that is fashioned or selected for a viewer.Whether it’s good or bad art depends on the viewer, though I won’t spend time explaining those details.
>>727497996Behold the splendor of the free market
>>727481646I have the opposite of pretentiousness:all videogames are electronic toys devised to provide fun in exchange of profitworking on videogames is just a jobcollecting them is retarded, replaying them is retarded, thinking games are art is retarded, thinking you can have "taste" in which toys you pick is retarded, getting mad over them is retarded, focusing on ANYTHING except the fun they give you is retardedbefore you say anything, I've been working in the industry since 06, I worked on many games anons enjoy
>>727498406This, but the same can be said for movies as well.
>>727498406>replaying them is retardedyou lost me there, some games are too based to only play once
>>727498406>toys devised to provide fun in exchange for profit>replaying them is retarded>meaning you would get more bang for your buck>games were originally meant to be replayedThis nigga stupid
>>727498406All things made to be percieved or observed in some way or another cannot truly be art, because it's created with a second party in mind.
games are art and it baffles me /v/tards even think this is up for debate
>>727481646If you only play the latest releases and don't regularly go back to play the classics from time to time, you are just a trend chasing sheep. And then the follow up, it's okay to be a sheep as long as you own that label and don't pretend to be something more than that.
>>727499383>it's okay to be a sheep as long as you own that label and don't pretend to be something more than that.The problem is that these sheep are the leading factor in why games suck fat cock and balls these days. They¨ll buy anything as long as it's shiny, and they don't really care if anything is shit. My solution to this is to ban stupid people from buying games.
>>727491775I wasn't anti-Nintendo until this generation. Maybe they should try making good games again.
>>727498406>getting mad over them is retardedI agree with you on this one point alone.
I've gone full boomer and believe video games to be a society destroying waste of time that should be banned as well as porn and maybe a couple of other things. I have not played a video game in years but have been on /v/ for over a decade and don't know how to quit
>>727482476What about Football Manager?
>>727499814let me guess, you're also a christcuck?
>>727493883This will probably be the most retarded thing I read all week.
>>727499814social media is way worse than both video games and porn, and unsurprisingly that's what you haven't managed to give up on yet.It's too late, we live in a world that shreds a man's spirit no matter what, might as well enjoy the ride
>>727499898seethe harder tranny
>>727499814All entertainment is a waste of time and should be highly restricted. Your mission on earth is to work so you can support a family, have kids and that's it. There should be little to no leisure until you enter the Kingdom of God.
Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter was genuinely ahead of its time and if it came out on the PS3 a jrpg thats a reverse dungeon crawler where game over and ng+ adds new elements that change the game to chase the true ending would have done very well.
>>727481646There’s intrinsic value in playing games on the systems they were originally released on.
>>727499997over a decade on /v/ and you blend in like you just started posting yesterdayimpressive really
>>727499997The gates of Heaven will not be open when you get there.
>>727499814>YOU PLAY VIDYA GAME?>DING DONG BANNU
>>727499997Hurt when called out? Very semitic of you.
>>727498406>all videogames are electronic toys devised to provide fun in exchange of profitHow can literally anyone disagree with this?Supply and demand has been working EXACTLY as intended in the video game industry.Shit like physical is dying because no one fucking cares.
The fact that shit like The last of us and God of War get praised as masterpieces of storytelling just shows how low the bar for quality writing is for video games
>>727499814I think video games on their own are okay, but I think social media is what has made them so potentially damaging to people.
>>727499383I mostly just emulate decades-old games at this point.
Video games really were better back in the day and i feel bad for zoomers who cant enjoy anything older than GTA V.
Video games were best when I was 12 and NOT when you were 12.
>>727481646There are games where 99% of the haters hate the game because they are low IQ and got filtered. Morrowind, Majoras Mask, and Souls games are a good example. Not even baiting, i genuinely think most haters of these games are really stupid people, im not saying everyone who dislikes the games are stupid but almost all the complaints I see about them are stupid, and the people who go into souls threads to bitch about how they hate the games obviously have some sort of mental illness where they feel resentment that the game made them frustrated. If i ever see anyone say they hated those games I assume its because they are a lesser human being than me, either they are too egotistical to get through a game that challenges them or they are low IQ.
>>727499814>I'm a fucking retard who can't stop posting on the video games board even though I'm opposed to video gamesWhy would you even say this? You're just further proving that people that think that games are harmful are actual fucking retards.
>>727494208Wish porn fanfics were laid out a bit more like this. It's so frustrating, just get me to the hot parts already.
>>727492760The average videogame (that has a story) has better writing than the average book. The difference is that few read and nobody discusses the average book or its shit writing, while videogames have other things going for them than just writing, so people do play and discuss them.
>>727500505>there are now people allowed to post here that were only 6 when GTAV came outI still remember the "NEVER EVER" spam from when that game was new
>>727500505Modern games mog old games hard. It's not even close. That doesn't mean old games are bad and there are a ton worth playing still, but the best games ever made have been released within the last decade and every year the bar gets higher.
>>727500456Same, mostly PS1 games as of late. So many classics and hidden gems I'd never heard of as a kid. It's been really fun.
>>727482372I haven't used kbm since like 2010 because I like coming home from work and just sitting on a couch.That guy is a faggot.
>>727481646The industry would be better off if "ideas guys" actually were a part of the dev teams.
>>727493410wtf i'm not racist anymore (unless she likes being called slurs during sex, ofc)
>>727481646The distinction between roguelikes and roguelites is worthless because 99.9999% of games associated under either banner now bear no resemblance whatsoever to rogue and just center on a short repeating game segment that lasts an hour and a half at most even for the most inexperienced.This is completely contradictory that what rogue or any of its derivatives were. The notion of permadeath was not exclusive to rogue. A lot of roguelikes now just play like a zero credit playthrough of an arcade machine
>>727482087So you play candy crush on PC?
>>727499814All screens are bad. Video games are particularly bad for how they mess up reward system and replace peoples sense of accomplishment with fake things. Kids shouldnt be playing electronic games over the age of 12 they should be playing sports getting stronger exercising and socializing with the opposite sex. /v/ faggots will say that video games should be for nerds then get mad when you say people should be wasting their youth playing video games and should be doing "normal" things instead. You only get your youth once, and you get decades of being a bitter old faggot, save the time wasting video game playing for when you are 40+ at a dead end job with nothing to live for and use it as an alternative to alcoholism, try and make life worth living when you are younger and dont play video games.
>>727501202>people shouldnt** be wasting
>>727482782That's the opposite of a pretentious opinion, faggot.
>>727501202And are you good at socializing with the opposite sex, anon? Remember, you can lie to me, but not to yourself.
>>727500803Name a modern game better than HOMM 3.
>>727501337habbo hotel
>>727481646I don't care for white women
>>727501361>modern gameanon..
>>727501441
>>727501307Is there some point you are trying to make with this post? are you dim witted enough to think i would be hypocritical if i wasnt?
>>727481646play a series in release order from the beginning or don't bother at all. there are very few exceptions to this.
>>727493883I think you're unironically too high IQ for this board. You'd make a good scientist or researcher. Perchance. Cookie dough.
The game doesn't do, the game you are is. One cannot think about the conscience of consequence, but in the interactive space, the narrative is reversed and challenges the histrionics of the dialectic mind. Therefore, the story and artistic triculations of the inner soul is something that can only be properly vaingloried through the medium of vidya.
Dreamcast was the peak of vidya. Sega tried to save arcade game design but people were too dumb to appreciate the effort, they wanted movie-games with big graphics instead. Most people are stupid, especially kids, makes sense that PS2 succeeded even if it was the beginning of the end.
>>727501524How much pussy do u get, whiteboy?
>>727495056truth
>>727482646It's never really been a pretentious opinion. The broad public used to look down on self-identifying games because of the general disdain for video games as a manchild's hobby, but nowadays gamers themselves have done enough damage to the term that the derision is 100% justified. And that's setting aside it now the term being a blatant tool of corpoganda.
Souls games are the call of duty of RPGs. Boring rehashes that all feel the exact same. They have some spectacular visuals but I haven't found a single souls game engaging since I finished Dark Souls 1 just like I haven't found any COD engaging since 4.
>>727482610it depends on if the appeal of the game comes from progression through its story or from the development of your mechanical gameplay skillsit's not fun to watch people play overwatch, but it is fun to play itit's fun to watch people play the last of us, but it's not fun to play it
>>727498406>before you say anything, I've been working in the industry since 06, I worked on many games anons enjoyDoes it matter? The ability to produce good media is often entirely disconnected from the ability to make decent takes or in any any way actually relate with the audience. The power of art is the ability to interpret it, and it's why the world has always had creators whose work was beloved and everything else about them despised.
>>727482476You'll view things differently when you realise mmo players are in the same category as fifa/2k players
>>727493883prose = gameplaynarrative = loresome people enjoy arcade games, some people enjoy story gamesyou tend to be on the story game side of things, you care more about raw information than the intrinsic experience of interacting with the mediumyou'd unironically probably enjoy reading textbooks or wikipedia articles more than you'd enjoy reading conventional literature
>>727499814i think gaming is okay if it's done moderately in your free time, but i agree it can be extremely destructive if it becomes an excessive energy drain or begins to consume your productivity timelike playing a game for an hour before bed to relax after a full day of work vs gaming for 15 hours straight on a saturday while ignoring your personal responsibilities just because you finally have a day offgame responsibly
>>727493302You are upset because you know ur a tendie
Parry & rollslop is for loser who have nothing going on in their lives. Beating a hard video games gives them the sense of accomplishment they're missing in their otherwise unimpressive lives.
Did you guys confuse a pretentious opinion for an unpopular one?
“Pretentious” is just the literary equivalent of calling something “slop”, it doesn’t actually mean anything on its own.
>>727482416expression of grief as love persevering.
I don't think this is pretentious, but it's clear that a lot of 4chan users are either insecure or legitimately aren't patrons of multiple forms of art and don't have an open artistic mind
>>727493410Lurking /int/ legitimately gave me a black woman fetish and now I can't look at them IRL without getting hard
>>727481646Just because it's a good game, doesn't mean that it's good.
>>727503162Well yeah man, where do you think you are? Everyone here is miserable, anti social autists
>>727498406>dude i've been in the industry for a while i totally worked on popular gamesJust like that guy on /tv/ that is totally a professional cameraman who worked on many famous films and TV shows yet cannot name a single one
>>727503162Doesn't patron of art mean funding it
>>727503373At my most generous, what I think that anon who made that infamous post meant to say was that just because a game is good, doesn't mean it has a heart or anything interesting, he means that a game can be good but also safe
>>727503438Unless I'm retarded, which is a real possibility, a patron of something is just someone that engages and enjoys something
>>727494208>anon discovers why green texting is so popular
>>727503492https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patronb: a wealthy or influential supporter of an artist or writerI guess that's why customers of a bar are patrons, cause they give money
>>727494208Reducing large books into reductionist greentexts is hilarious though>be me>leopold bloom>wander around ireland>got drunk>farted >wander around some more>go home to my bitch wife>sleep
>>727481646RPG will never be video games and everytime you add RPG mechanics to a game it immediately becomes worse. They have no friction, no limits, it's just a toy.
>>727481646High level fighting game players are better than all other vg players with the exception of top level RTS players but they are able to be higher level than RTS players in other genres.They are able to get good in a game much faster than pretty much all other genre enjoyers.Many of my friends who play fighting games couldn't care less about Dark Slows and did not understand the fuss about its difficulty during the game's fever time. It was just a game in which you waited the boss' attack, dodge on reaction and counter attack then repeat.
>>727503942LOL
>>727503942Fighting game enthusiasts are good at other games because they are elitists. The genre has nothing to do with their innate talents, they are better because they put themselves in positions where failure, fun and freedom are no longer options.
>>727481646If there's not a small chance the game randomly kills you via rng, it's not a game
>>727490619>zoomerpretentious essays are ALWAYS made by white millennials. Zoomers prefer filling the video with memes and witty short phrases because they know the audience will have the video as background noise if they don't.
>>727490497There are black holesthere are black people
People who say they understand games and their mechanics and make content diving deep into it actually don't know shit because if they did they would actually be out there making successful games, not waxing poetic about their design.
>>727498406>>727498406>before you say anything, I've been working in the industry since 06, I worked on many games anons enjoyIrrelevant point.Videogame-hating niggers like you working in the industry is the reason why it turned to shit.
>>727493681>The gameplay is always very simplisticThat's what makes them deep, retard.
>>727504994Let me guess, the deepest games are dumb?When /v/ stops watching youtube and starts playing games we'll be in for a wonderful time
>>727493883B-B-B-BASEDAESTHETICFAGS BTFO
>>727503920>They have no friction, no limitsObjectively wrong and retarded. This forced anti-RPG schizobabble is so very tiresome.
>>727482646gamers riseup
>>727504471That's a retarded assumption. Understanding what makes a game good doesn't obligate you to make them, never even mind personal preference. And there are thousands of games that are wonderfully made that aren't successful for one reason or another. That's a very stupid thing that you believe.
>>727498406Wow you're really dumb.
>>727504471>mechanics who say they understand cars actually don't or they would be desinging carsOr you know, they just like being a mechanic and not a designer? I've seen some shit takes but this is up there with the shittiest.So are you a successful gamedev or don't understand game mechanics then?
>>727493681You got filtered by a JP game and are permanently butthurt.
Retards who play competitive team games with randoms via matchmaking. What the fuck is wrong with you? This is the worst way of learning any game and getting better at it, you are literally cattle fed to other cattle in an endless cycle of self-destruction.
>>727500610>to get through a game that challenges themyour game has optional difficulty and the only reason you like it is because of muh vibes, stop pretending it's anything other than ocarina of time for slightly more ashamed manchildren.
>>727502621They have the exact same audience as well
>>727505105>YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE... YOU'RE JUST WRONG OKAY!???
>>727506071stop screaming schizo, nobody is talking to you
>>727505032>bringing up youtubers out of nowhereyikes...
>>727505794Constantly having your friends babysit you is why you can't play solo and think everyone is having shit games like you.Learning to better communicate with randoms helps be succinct and transfers to playing with pre-made groups.Playing with new people also switches up the game and keeps it fresh.
>>727506071No argument in - no argument out, bitch ass.
>>727481646I grew up as a consolefag in a PC-leaning country (Eastern Europe) and I view diehard PC guys as uncultured prole swine, at least the third worlder ones like my countrymen. Most of them grew up poor and played on potato PCs because that’s the only thing their families could afford (since any household had some PC anyway) and have since both started LARPing as Western-style mustardrace with their 500 euroshekel PCs and psyopped themselves into thinking that shit they played in the 2000s, like Korean MMOs and third-rate pirated eurojank was actually the peak of gaming. They know absolutely nothing of gaming history, dismiss entire genres (anything Japanese is a no-no because “we wuz Europeans ‘n sheeet” is a core part of their identity) out of hand and play some mix of F2P slop or movie games.
>>727505065Litterally me during the gane awards
>>727490619How can zoomers rant about Super Mario Galaxy if they only play Fortnite battle royale and Roblox?
>>727505032>72k viewsstop overestimating a youtuber opinion, no one but you is watching this shit
Voice acting and lifelike graphics have ruined the entire industry.
>>727505794>you are literally cattle fed to other cattle in an endless cycle of self-destruction.sometimes i am the destroyerit is fun
>>727498105>this post is art>they frame the wrong postGotteeeeeem
>>727503162>it's clear that a lot of 4chan users are either insecureit's just thisextreme insecuritywhy do you think katawa shoujo was so popular?they see themselves only worthy of dating literally disabled womenlow self esteem, desperate for validation
>>727482307I love when girls squirt
>>727481646"Gaming" and "gamers" are performative losers who don't actually like the majority of games or genres they buy and discuss, for most of them they are a stand in for personalities and they feel a sense of prestige for saying that they play MMOs, RPGs, indie games and such.It's similar to music where someone will turn listening to a certain genre or band their personality except it's far more widespread in games.
I have a generally elitist nature but I try to police it lately.>>727482376>art is just down to the writing quality in storytellingI'd say narrow-minded, not really pretentious.
>>727497621Now you understand why the designation of "art" has nowhere near the meaning so many people think it does.
>>727481646Anyone who considers video games art is pretentious.
>>727482376maybe but I can't stand prose
