So i just played 2nd ending (the maelle one).Yeah shit is grim. Can't fathom how some people prefered it over Verso's. I've read some mind boggling mental gymnastics about how maelle's ending is giving "a chance to live and prosper for people of lumiere" but all i saw is one grey-haired evil hag ressurecting already dead people and making them pretend how good things really are and Verso is literally shaking realising there's going to be another hundreds of years of meaningless existence and pain.
>>727514000Maelle fags aren't sane, simple as that. The ending would have framed this positively if it supported Maelle
I want to have sex with Maelle for the purpose of procreation therefore her ending is the canon ending.
>>727514000>inb4 THEY ARE REAL TO ME, DAD!>inb4 Actually this is from Verso's perspective, and he is a poopy head and lied to hysterical women to not trigger their crash outs>inb4 It's literally over for her because of the burns! There is literally nothing she can do with her life anymore! She is better off decaying and sniffing acetone-flavored copium for hundreds of inpainting years.Pic related is what talking to a resident shizo Maelle fag usually looks like
>>727514584 Her mother too - aiding her in battle against Renoire is like enabling your kid's drug addiction. >>727515045 Well they are real creations, still doesn't change the fact Maelle isnt doing it out of pure altruism (refusing to unpaint Verso when he begs her is pure evil).
>>727514000nigga who cares about the ending i just want to be the cute girl
>>727514000Is this a shitpost? Just watch both endings and move on, who the fuck is gonna pick a side and argue it for hours on the internet lmao
>>727515484>Maelle isnt doing it out of pure altruism (refusing to unpaint Verso when he begs her is pure evil).She's a hypocrite, she murders Alicia with no problem when she begs for death yet refuses Verso when he asks for the same
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was there supposed to be something more with this nevron? like cut content?
>>727517775No, it was only to show that Maelle had some sort of connection to the nevrons
>>727517585fuck he's hot
>>727517969I thought she only understood gestralscome to think of it everyone eventually did for no reason
>>727514000Both endings suck. I just hate Maelle's ending slightly less because Verso is a backstabbing snake and gives zero regard for the plight of Lumiere and its people despite the fact that it's what 90% of the story's emotional investment is actually built around.
>>727515697When you turn 50 you will also want to be a girl irl
>>727518169>people
>>727518390I don't give a shit if they're born from magic nonsense. They're clearly sentient.
>>727518169Verso understood that Maelle's life is way more important than any other character in the story; she is basically a god, and her value cannot be compared to any of the painted characters at allIt's like saying that AI NPCs in a video game are real people, and the value should be equal to the person who made them
>>727518169The story stopped caring about them the moment Gustave Died,Your mistaking the writer going overboard on worldbuilding for actual narrative involvement.
>>727518537so are cockroaches
bros what if we don't win goty
>>727518592Verso doesn't do anything out of care for Maelle he just wants to die. Her issue is that she's using painting as an escape and instead of telling her to trust her family he just says that she can paint whatever she wants. Like telling a drug addict "it's okay just find another dealer".
>>727514000Only people that have been brainwashed by the game pick the Maelle ending (mostly women)>My wholesome characters?! I c-cant just let them go away? LET ME LIVE IN MY DREAM WOLD
>>727518592AI isn't capable of individual thought like the people of Lumiere were portrayed to have. The idea that the painters are powerful enough to create entire worlds full of life shouldn't be a reason to create thinking feeling people just to throw them away the second that they're done playing with them.
>>727519619Nigga both worlds are fake it's a video game. I picked Maelles ending because I like those character more than the painters. It's that simple.
>>727519771You enjoy escapism
>thought I was going to avenge Sophie>nope let's have lame family drama instead>also let's replace one of the best protagonists is a while with some brooding asshole
>>727514000I don't care about Maelle. I want the majority of other characters I spent the game getting to know and care about to keep existing and be happy.
only teenagers still trying to rebel against their parents picked maelle's ending
>>727519810Yes, your point?
>>727519906>to keep existing and be happyunder what is essentially maelle's rule
>>727518662That's my problem with the writing of the final chapter in general. If the takeaway is supposed to be entirely focused on a family's failure to deal with grief, then Gustave should never have been a POV character. He, Lune, and Sciel shouldn't have gotten any focus beyond being Maelle's one-dimensional cheer squad. They're too defined as their own people with their own grief for the game to do a total 180 at the last minute and insist that the Dessendre's grief is all that matters.Fucking Omori handled that theme better.
Lumiere was over the moment the paintress died, Monoco even leaves a hint that yeah people can be revived but they won't be the same we knew even the Lune and Sciel at the end of the game aren't the ones we got to love at the beginning of the journey, they are Maelle's versions
>>727520065he was talking about gestrals you retard
>>727520065That's never implied. Lune goes on to continue her character quest built around information and personal grievances with her parents that Maelle is never told about. If the intent was supposed to be that they were just hollow copies brought back based purely on Maelle's perceptions then it would have done more to explore it.
writers > painters
>>727520346I'm glad Lucien died early.https://youtu.be/lEP-13Z0zC8?si=yu2EV3MoVprl11qg
>>727519693That's Renoir and Aline's fault; they are the ones killing them and continuing the cycle because Aline is having a MASSIVE woman moment
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>>727520585oops didn't mean to quote
>>727520039No, because that's the tragedy of it, and the game expresses it.By all accounts, they were "real", but they were doomed and the only thing you can save in that whole canvas is Alicia.
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>>727514000She literally just becomes her mother and accomplishes nothing, other than torturing her brother soul by not only forcing him to paint, but now has to witness his beloved sister kill herself, rendering his sacrifice completely meaningless.
>>727519412>Verso doesn't do anything out of care for Maelle he just wants to die.You will never be able to explain why he joined Alicia in act 3 when Renoir could literally delete him right there (which he does)
>>727520854Or they could have found a compromise where the painters leave, get Aline some fucking therapy, and bury the canvas somewhere instead of forcing this blunt zero-compromise situation on everyone at gunpoint. It's repeatedly stated that there could be a chance of peace or balance instead of insisting on all-or-nothing, but Verso threw away any middle-ground because he only trusted himself to make things right (and also he really really wanted to die).
Basically no one who appreciates their family likes her ending.This leaves you>trannies>emotionally stunted man children>teenage girlsAKA the daddy issues trifecta
>>727521316>It's repeatedly stated that there could be a chance of peace or balanceNo, just once, by pAlicia, and it's called a dream for a reason.Aline and Renoir would NEVER compromise.Verso trusted Alicia and she betrayed him, si he couldn't compromise either.The moment their gods started warring, lumiere was doomed.
It's been a year. No one cares about chinese parryslop astroturf. China will buy all the awards for itself then fuck off to the next astroturf.
>>727521527Lune acknowledges that everyone was trying to insist its Renoir's way or the highway, but if they could just actually communicate with each other there'd be more to it. But Verso and the painters are a bunch of hypocritical bastards.
>>727519412Even if that was the case, Maelle has no idea what she is getting into; at least Aline is aware she is killing herself>instead of telling her to trust her familyYou can't be serious, her family is having a mental breakdown, the only reasonable one is her dad, and she ignored his warning
>oh sweet my husband could come back >play verso I'll suck your cock once morewhat the fuck sciel
please do not feed the trollreport and ignore the sperg
>>727521780>but if they could just actually communicate with each other there'd be more to it.Aline refuses to, so Renoir's way IS the only way to save her.Alicia is Aline 2.0.
>>727514000What was the paint on her face supposed to symbolize? She's playing God and the canvas is consuming her true self?
>>727522189She's using her paintress powers to force verso to play. Because her larp needs it
>>727522189That's what painters do when they jump into paintings but way more haggard showing that she is killing herself.
>>727522103No matter how powerful Aline is she's beaten by everyone working together to stop her. There is a way to physically force her to listen and it doesn't have to prioritize committing genocide to do so.
>>727514000She "frees" child soul Verso by attaching part of her soul to the canvas, she replaces him as the motor/heart of the painting. She loves the people in the canvas so much she sacrifices everything for them, but her love is not healthy and it's used as an excuse to escape reality dooming her.
>>727514000WAKEY WAKEY MAELLE
>Verso dies in a drive-by poetry slam>Not-Maelle gets disfigured in the attack too>Clemance or whatever that sister's name is decides to go retaliate but tells fauxmaelle to go stop their parents from kysing themselves since that's all she's worth now>Mama is losing her mind over her favorite child dying and starts self harming to photos of him that contain a copy of his soul and memories>Papa is trying to bring Mama (and now her stupid daughter) back but is struggling because he's being rational and level-headed towards these dumb retards>Game introduces you to the NPCs of its world to show their insignificance but people misunderstand and grow attached to them>Whole point of Act 1 was to establish a cycle of grief leading to the final Act's completion of acceptance >Somehow choosing Maelle's ending is considered good by the same retards who misunderstood Act 1 despite it directly undermining the entire struggle of the game and restarting the cycle of grief over again>All because Verso's ending was too mean to the literal NPCs because Verso wanted to stop suffering, both from having to continue to paint and from watching his family be torn apart and ruined in the world he once considered his playhouse Anybody who unironically chose Maelle's ending believing it to be the "good" ending is mentally disabled.
>>727522553>Sciel literally makes a sad face in the end understanding that Verso is suffering GOOD ENDING BTW
>>727522718>NPCsThey're sentient. The D*ssendre family is a bunch of Greek gods having a melty over an apple and destroying Troy because of it.
>>727523072>They're sentientthey're sentient in the same way chatgpt boyfriends were sentient to lonely women believing the internet contained their spiritual second half
>>727518169The expedition stuff was kind of interesting. When it switched to being about the family drama, I stopped caring.
People only pick the Maelle ending because they expect some undertale tier Deux ex machina solution that will give everyone a happy ending, only for Maelle to turn into a horror movie witch so they cope that the end is a good one and not the bad route
>who cares if Azathoth wakes up, those so-called "humans" are all just NPCs
>>727520039Even in Omori the Headsapce side of the plot literally breaks and the dream versions of the cast become nonexistent in the face of the trauma plot outside of an optional interaction right at the end of the true ending.
>>727520065No the game explicitly frames it as Maelle slorping up their petal goop and shitting them out as they were again
Isn't Lumiere kinda doomed regardless? Even if everyone gets their happily ever after, their society is in an unrecoverable downward spiral after 60 years of gommaging
>>727514000Mental Illness. The people who prefer Maelle's ending want to live in a fantasy.
>>727521316>Or they could have found a compromise where the painters leave, get Aline some fucking therapy, and bury the canvas somewhere instead of forcing this blunt zero-compromise situation on everyone at gunpointIf the characters acted not retarded then it would destroy the KINO MELANCHOLY HIGH IQ WHITE PEOPLE DRAMA
what kind of a person sides with maellethat's like siding with aline
>>727514000It's mostly women that pick Maelle's ending
>>727523897Someone who sees this not as a family drama problem, but as an ethics problem. If the people of Lumiere are sentient, then killing them just to save Aline and Maelle is monstrous. And we have no reason to suspect otherwise other than Clea being Clea (both Renoir and Verso agree that painted people are real)
>>727523857>>727521316None of the characters are retarded (maybe aline)All of them are very human with very understandable motivations.
>>727524149Any painter can create infinite new and happy people on a whim. You are choosing between a few hundred people and a couple of creator gods.
>>727514000I apologize.
>>727524267Then is it ethical to kill a few hundred people just so that these creator gods could potentially go on to create millions of lives?
>>727523229Even the game devs have come out and said that the people of Lumiere were written to be real people.
>>727524479Yes? Yes. Kyuubi isn't a creator god, it's a funny little advanced alien, and putting off heat death only really benefits them. The Dessandres create realities.
>>727524149they're not real brothey can just be painted on a different canvas
>>727523232I initially liked the family drama, I just really dislike how it overshadows everything else in the last stretch of the game. It feels like two different stories stitched together, but doesn't quite nail giving them both a satisfactory payoff. So the plight of the expeditions is all but forgotten in the end.
>>727524479Depends on if you value currently existing life or potential future life more.Basically are you a Boomer or not.
so what did maelle do with the writers to have them firebomb her home?
>>727524558>putting off heat death only really benefits themThe entire dilemma hinges on making trillions (quadrillions? more?) of aliens living just a few seconds longer for each magical girl sacrifice. Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
>>727514000>Can't fathom how some people prefered it over Verso's.They coped themselves into thinking Lune lets them fuck if you slowly kill your sister and mother. Yes Waifufags are that sad, she isn't even best girl
>>727524149Everyone in Lumiere is already dead, ultra gommaged by Renoir. Maelle's ending implies that everyone who was brought back isn't really the same, imperfect and incomplete. Maelle forces Verso to do her bidding. I dont even know if you pay attention, but the main menu theme is Alicia's theme. However during Maelle's ending, Verso plays Maelle's theme and then you go to the main menu. The idea being that you literally just restart back to the beginning, Alicia becomes Aline, from one Paintress to anotherReally Verso vs Maelle isn't even ambiguous, its just straight up good ending vs bad ending.
>>727524731Yeah but I don't really care about that, it's a non-analogous situation. Kyuubi isn't making teenage lesbians suffer to power his magical teenage girl wand that spawns happy teenage girls elsewhere.
>>727524725She was young and liked writing so they took advantage of that to attack her family which were political opponents in the Creative Arts Magic world.
>>727514000So the solution to that is genociding all life inside the Canvas? Yeah, that sure sounds like a happier ending.
>>727521316local anon finds out not all endings need to be misery porn or sunshine & rainbows
>>727524793>Really Verso vs Maelle isn't even ambiguous, its just straight up good ending vs bad ending.It's explicitly stated not to be the case by the devs in interviews.
>>727524962No bro it's totally like the sims who cares about the canvas-person who's only motivation for the last 70 hours was the canvas, 5 seconds before the ending
>>727525020Source?
>>727524962The "people" in lumiere are literally lines of code, who cares if they die
>>727525308This. They're not real, so it's perfectly fine to rape, kill, cheat and betray.
>>727525020I fail to see how. Sure there is complexity to it, but if you choose Maelle's ending you doom Alicia & everyone in the canvas to a slow death. Whereas Verso's ending allows the family to actually heal and grieve properly.
>>727523517Yeah, it's not perfect, but I still think it's preferable to how Expedition 33 handles its payoff because Omori has a very clear distinction in how the Headspace cast and their real-world counterparts are written. Where the real world is much more flawed and messy, but actually takes the time to give you a reason to care about it because the people feel more real and are capable of change.In Expedition 33 there's nothing to emphasize that the people and relationships in the painting are less real than the ones on the outside. There's more time dedicated to how sincere Maelle's relationship with Gustave was, in comparison to how shitty the Dessendres are to each other outside of one interaction with Renoir.
>>727525468>In Expedition 33 there's nothing to emphasize that the people and relationships in the painting are less real than the ones on the outside.And who says they aren't? Both Renoir and Verso consider everyone inside the painting real.
>>727524267>>727524479The better way to frame it is to ask if sacrificing the current world is worth it to end the primordial cycle of suffering that taints creation in the hopes that the next world will be better?
>>727525417What's the game from the image?
>>727518169>>727523232>the narrative stopped caring about LumiereNPCs have object permanence when it comes to narrative elements. If you stop talking about something, they literally think it doesn’t exist or matter anymore. It’s sad.
>>727525864The world is broken, the demiurge is depressed, the metatron wants to kill himself.
>>727525603>And who says they aren't?Verso. But the issue is more in how the story itself overshadows the expeditions and characters of Lumiere so they can make it more about the Dessendres at the eleventh hour. Lune and Sciel don't even get a line of dialogue in the ending. They either unceremoniously die for the Dessendres' character development, or they're the silent props put aside to emphasize how unhealthy it is that Maelle stayed in the canvas. We don't get to explore or appreciate any of the positives of Lumiere finally being able to rebuild, we just get Verso being emo about having to play piano.
>>727524149I understand what you say, but cannot accept that angle, for the painters have other paintings in their manor, other realities subject to be destroyed by the writers if we let Aline and Maelle suicide inside the painting.The writers used fire to kill IRL Verso, and i pressume they would burn everything to make sure no painter is left alive, killing lumiere in the process. There's a war against the writers, i chose Verso's ending after seeing the bigger pìcture, the few for the many, the trolley problem all over again.
>>727525929Black Souls
Is Silksong's story as good as Expedition's? I'm thinking of starting that one now if it has a good story.
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>>727526143Oh, that porn game, guess I'll pass, but thanks anyway.
>>727525932Are you actually implying that a story no longer addressing an issue or characters doesn't diminish their importance in the context of the narrative?
>>727526176How did it take me so long to realize the little kids in the Canvas were actually a fragment of Verso's soul? It was only clear in the final scene to me, I'm so stupid.
>>727524149And if you appreciate that the painted people can feel and think (like everything in the actual story would lead you to believe) then what Clea does to Painted Clea is serial killer levels of cruel.
>>727526172I played Silksong for around 50 hours and I haven't found any story, it's more like Dark Souls where you're given the lore and are expected to piece everything together on your ownEither that or I completely missed the story because it was so dull
>>727526176I meant Painted Verso. Even the fragment of real Verso believes the canvas's people are alive.
>>727526297But they constantly talk about Lumiere and Maelle is all>we must save lumiere>don't destroy lumierejust because she's a bitch who doesn't mean it doesn't mean the narrative doesn't put lumiere as what's being fought for in act 3.
>>727526172Not really. The game's great, I'm even replaying it right now with the beast crest, but the story is whatever.
>>727526086>. We don't get to explore or appreciate any of the positives of Lumiere finally being able to rebuild,Yeah, because the only thing that was rebuilt was the opera house!
>>727526172I think Silksong's story is good for a metroidvania and more character driven than the original Hollow Knight, but it's still pretty light in focus when compared to an RPG like Expedition 33.
>>727526176can tell he was raised by Aline
>>727526365Yikes, that's the worst aspect of Dark Souls, what a shame.
>>727526172>>727526365Silksong's story is basically just>Get Kidnaped>New land is a shithole>Find out that Hornet is descendant from the lands godly lineage>Genetic drive to accumulate power pushes her to seek out god to take her power>If you do enough side quests Hornet develops an affection of the land and instead of trying to take power she seeks to free the land>Game continues from there.
>>727526652Nah, aline is 100% in clea's camp.She painted a whole city because she wanted her larp to feel realistic and would rather watch them die than leave.And, mind you, her leaving would have stopped everything.
>>727514000>be Maellefag>"but now the people of Lumiere can LIVE">be person of Lumiere>no memory of my life prior to standing on these opera house steps>can't move>who are those people in the opera house?>why do I not get to be in the opera house?>why is everything broken, destroyed and shitty?>do I have a name? I don't think so>who are these people around me?>am I supposed to be doing something?>my feet hurt, I've been standing here for...a long time>i'm not sure actually, has it been days? Months? years?>why are the people in the opera house the only people talking?>why aren't they acknowledging us?>i'm hungry, how do I get food if I have to stand here all the time?>where does the food even come from?I guess if you consider being a literal NPC in a hellscape "living"
>>727524267But they can't create THOSE people again. Real Verso is dead and they were painted with his soul.
>>727526450They don't talk about the people of Lumiere (like Sciel and Lune who stop having personalities). They only talk about it in the context of Maelle's neverland escapism palace where her face isn't burnt. I'd say it's insane you don't understand the distinction, but E33fags are pretty fucking stupid.
>no japanese dub even though the devs are otakuthey killed any chance this game could achieve any success in japan
>>727526907We don’t know that for sure, it's never stated in the game.
>>727526940>ike Sciel and Lune who stop having personalitiesDid you miss the part where the end of their side quests is in act 3 and sciel in particular has some of the hardest hitting scenes in the game?> but E33fags are pretty fucking stupid.Nevermind, you are retarded.
>>727524976What I like about the idea of the painters just leaving is that the ending wouldn't have been perfect or pointless misery for either world. The Dessendres would have to learn to live and move on from grief, while Lumiere would be free from fear of the gommage, but they'd still have to live without a painter that can simply fix everything or bring back anyone that died of other causes outside of the gommage, like Gustave or Sciel's family. Both worlds would still have scars, but at least they'd have a chance to move on in parallel to each other.
>>727526951It's not like most japs play any western games, only a handful of "weird" ones do, no big loss
>>727526297Ya. There is an active and a passive narrative thread in E33. Maelle’s story is center stage and Lumiere’s plight is conveyed passively via journal entries. Most NPCs can’t read so they intellectually perceive passive storytelling as less important.
>>727527228>Putting the main writer sperging out on her first real project and creating a bunch of pointless lore which serves as an easy collectable on the same level of the main plot.
>>727527091Sadly, the people running the show are extremely flawed and have decided what they wanted to do before the game started.Aline is not leaving.Renoir isn't leaving her in the canvas.Alicia is NOT leaving.Verso isn't watching her as she slowly suicides.There's no other possible ending because the characters have heavily deep flaws that shape their motivations.
>>727527081>sciel in particular has some of the hardest hitting scenes in the game?You mean when she finds out her husband is coming back and then asks Verso to fuck again? Yeah, it's heavy drama. If you weren't a shit eating retard with no understanding of good writing or storytelling, you'd be criticizing the game for never having Sciel and Lune deal with the realization that they were creations in a painting.
>>727521316There could never be a compromise because Aline and Alicia are basically painting addicted retards. Alicia even uses the promise of compromise to get Renoir to leave the painting and both Renoir and Verso can immediately tell she's lying.
>>727527375Yes?
>>727527228>discussion is about how Lumiere becomes less important after the end of act 2>bring up journal entries of expeditions that all happen before act 2 and don't contribute to Lumiere's story at that point in timeWhy are E33fags so stupid? Why?
>>727527402pay attention the next time you play the game you blind retard lmao
>>727527517You sound like the kind of person that cares more about shit like the Star Wars Legends EU than the Original Trilogy.
>>727514000Maellefags are literally mentally ill retards that live their real lives in delusion as well. The genius of E33 is that Maellefags gaslit themselves the same way the character does and in turn become exactly like her. They literally cannot accept reality for what it is, either in a game world or real life. The choice between Maelle and Verso is one of the biggest tests of IRL character and morality I have ever seen in the medium. Maellefags are not trustworthy people. Maellefags are willing to sacrifice anything and anyone else to avoid feeling negative emotions or personal suffering.
>>727527680But the journal entries are not EU, they are in the game and by the same writer.
>>727518169There are no people in Lumiere. You are mentally ill or did not understand the game.
>>727527584>can't respond directly to what was said>make a vague handwave statement and pretend you have a pointSorry, but I played the game and unlike you, I'm not illiterate, so I don't gloss over or defend the weak writing. Try defending the shit writing in a thread filled with people who haven't played the game. You might be able to fool them.Now get mad and proceed not to talk specifics again.
>>727527739I've noticed a lot of Maellefags also tend to be the ones that mourn Gustave the hardest because they basically just emotionally attached to the first character they played as and proceeded to self-insert. You have like maybe a few hours with Gustave and barely know the guy. I get that he was pretty chill and an all round good guy but it's not on the same scale as Aerith or anything. People act like the end of Act 1 traumatized them for life.
What side stuff is worth doing? I already beat the ending once and I maxed out the character relationships. I way way overpowered for the final fight but there are still some areas that have the red warning glow for me.
>>727528010Flying manor and renoir's drafts.
>>727526172lol no
>>727527882Even if that was the intent (which the writers said it's not) it would just make the majority of the story infinitely worse and not worth caring about.
>>727527839Yeah but they are still extras which are not part of the main plot.Another comparison would actually be those bonuses on the Incredibles DVD which gave a bunch of extra character to the other superheroes, cool but you don't need to see them to get the movie even if they are on the same disk.
I ended the game 2 days ago and I hated both endings so much i stopped playing alltogether. The game spent the first 2 acts making me care about the people from the canvas, and no all I see is people saying "lol they're not real, genocide them all so a family of douchebags can move on."I don't care about Maelle's bitch sister, her delusional mom and her crazy dad. But no, only endings are letting Maelle rot or genocide the characters I actually care about.
>>727528010mostly Simonyou can do the large tower but it's not actually a tower just a list of battles
>>727527945you keep talking and talking but your words contradict eachotherthere are several scenes in game that go in depth explaining lune and sciel and how they feel about being creations. even in verso's ending their reactions are a direct result of their motivations and how they personally feel. you're a retard.
>>727528159So let Maelle rot? That's the ending you want.If you missed it, act 2 genocided lumiere, that's your best case scenario ending.
>>727528159Its because your meant to accept death and move on anon.The entire game is one big embrace of grief and moving on from loss while taking what was important with you.
>>727524510They were written to be LIKE real people to convince YOU the player that they were real, and make the decision at the end a real test of sanity and morality. You FAILED the test because you fell for the carefully crafted illusion they made and refuse to accept it.
>>727528159Maelle could paint them in another canvas if she wanted to, there's no genocide since they were already erased once. But staying in Verso's canvas to cope with his death is unhealthy.
>>727528105The writers said they want you to think of the people in Lumiere as real, not that they are real if I recall. And even if he's making the paintings aren't people argument he's still technically correct because Lumiere is already gommaged and you can't bring back gommaged people unless you collect their specific chroma at the time of it happening, otherwise it gets reabsorbed into the whole.
Maelle's ending is the good ending because the dessendres don't deserve peace. Renoir, Aline, Alicia, Verso, they are all trash people so the more they suffer the better the ending
>>727528159You can blame Verso for all this. There was a chance to settle all this peacefully, and he chose to:1. Let Gustave die, who could've persuaded Malle to leave2. Throw away Painted Alicia's letterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFHugtlIyv0
>>727528281>there are several scenes in game that go in depth explaining lune and sciel and how they feel about being creations.No there really aren't. Again, lying doesn't work because I actually played the fucking game.
>>727524149They are not real. You are mentally ill and emotionally attached to a fake world. Your ego cannot accept this so you do mental gymnastics to frame why it's actually the good option. You value the "lives" of artificial automatons because you like them and the world. You fail to value the lives of anyone else in the family and then claim virtue and ethical high-ground for doing so. You are guaranteed a disgusting person IRL that cares more about appearing to be good rather than doing actual real good.
>>727528459>Blah blah blah Alicia would have NEVER left because leaving means being a burnt victim and going back to having killed Verso.She's deluding herself into thinking painted verso is her real brother in the ending.
>>727528580>They are not real.[Citation needed]>artificial automatons[Citation needed]
>>727528010I beat the game twice and I will say that everything is worth exploring. Every area is cool and there are some cool new dungeons to explore.You would be surprised at how many secrets there are in the world map, there are merchants hidden around, the chromatic petank area, manor doors, the lost gestral trees here and there, some mimes in the overworld, there is actually a ton to explore. I played for 40~ hours in my 1st playthrough and thought I had quite a lot, but in my second playthrough I played for about 50 hours and was surprised at how much I missed.I would say the best way to play is beat paintress -> go directly to renoir and beat him, launch NG+ and play with monoco from the start, and on explore everything. The game is more balanced on NG+ and you can add +hp if you want it to be harder.
>>727527956Because most people confuse feeling for thinking and the devs did a masterful job of exploiting that.
>>727528679The citation is the fucking video game itself you delusional retard.
>>727528809If you say so >>727526176
>>727528463retard, right after lune and sciel are revived, you can walk up to them with verso and they will explain how they feel about being creations. this is factual and directly what happens in the game. did you not max out relations to lvl 7 lmao??? you expose yourself as a blind fuck who cant pay attention to the game hes playing.
>>727528283>>727528305>>727528347When versotards pick Verso's ending the game should reset and uninstall itself from the pc since they hate escapism so much
>>727528684>You would be surprised at how many secrets there are in the world mapFucking what? The journals are numbered so you know exactly how many there are with the exception of a few named ones, and the rest of what you find is just music tracks and chromatic enemies you delete by act 3. The only "significant" stuff is the tower, battle land, Clea fight and Renoir's drafts, all of which are easy to spot.
>>727528580none of them is real genius
>>7275284591. As soon as Maelle got her memories as Alicia back there is no way she would listen to Gustave2. pAlicia is a dreamer because the painting reflect the creators feelings for them, rAlicia wouldn't have cared about the letter either. pAlicia only thinks she would because she's a fantasist.
>>727528580How is this still a debate? It's very clear that everyone in Lumiere has free will and consciousness. They are born to a mother and father, live a life of joy & pain, and eventually get gommaged. Everyone in Lumiere is real, the only difference is that they live in a painted world
>>727528914And if you pick maelle you shoud be able to close the game or turn off your pc, forever, because you care about lumiere SO MUCH
>>727514000
This is the game's ending.
>>727528860>then disembodied soul of the man feels like everything inside his prison is just as real TO HIM as everything outside>OMG THIS MEANS THEY'RE ALL REALYou are a fucking retard, anon. kys
>>727528919It seems you treat games as a chore to be completed and squeezed dry.
>>727528984No, they are not real. They are highly advanced dolls. You are delusional and can't accept reality.
>>727529109Pull the lever unless the human is an anglo saxon male
>>727529109A sentient robot that can reproduce is the same as a human so i don't see your point.
>>727528914Anon, the role of a story is to be enjoyed and for you to move on taking what you got out of it with you.Its never healthy to drown yourself in a fictional world, to stay there to rest is fine, but you need to move on eventually.Que Sera, Sera and all that.
>>727528869>did you not max out relations to lvl 7 lmao???You realize I brought up the part where Sciel asks you to have sex after finding out her husband is coming back, right? You can only do that if you do her whole s link. Now you're outing yourself as being full of shit and unfamiliar with the game. But go ahead and keep lying to defend shitty writing, you fucking ape. lol
>>727529109>Video game people #1>Video game people #2>One more real than the otherNah
>>727529208Wrong. I just don't talk up shallow exploration with no surprises.
>>727529219I prefer the Verso ending but you're literally a massive retard if you think no one in the canvas is real.They are real human beings with personalities and character. >highly advanced dollsUnreal cope
>>727529503Coping with what? I moved on from the game like a normal human being. You're the one coping with your fucking dolls, retard. >>727529273Except it, objectively, is not. You FEEL like it's the same and confuse your feelings for actually thinking because you are dumb.
>top 3 songs in the entire game>plays once in a random optional areahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ETk_hV6eUFw&pp=ygUcdmVpbGxldXIgdGhlbWUgZXhwZWRpdGlvbiAzMw%3D%3D
>>727521316They can't communicate because the whole point of the story is that it's a tragedy about dooming a civilization to die because some people who have godlike power over them are dealing with family issues. It's like asking why Walter White won't just be reasonable in Breaking Bad. Because it would ruin the entire foundation and point of the story.
>>727529354you literally cannot form a proper, human, response, im starting to have doubts im talking to a functional sentient being. lune and sciel get revived. there is a cutscene where lune lashes out to verso and sciel is shocked.after that, you are now in camp, and you can walk & talk to them as verso, where they express how they feel. this is objectively true and if you missed this, then im sorry anon but you are just stupid and really shouldn't be posting here. if anything, you shouldn't be playing games at all since you can't keep up even at snail's pace.reply not needed. play the game properly instead.
>>727529680In what way is it not?
>>727529680You present literally no argument to why they are not real. Instead you just lash out like a monkey.Anon, the devs themselves came out and said that the canvas people are real. You're just too simple minded to think a little deeper.If you think otherwise, you have 100 iq.
>>727529109Robo can have his data put into another body, so they get ran over.
>>727529886The game literally tells you that Aline saved Renoir from the same fate that Aline/Maelle are currently on the path towards. That is why Renoir will not "communicate" or "compromise". Because he knows exactly how both women feel and the mental trap they have put themselves in.
>the verso ending is based and anti escapism bro>Ignore the part where Verso's pitch to get her out of the canvas is she can go be Maelle in other worldsAll he cares about is dying, he doesn't care if she loses herself in a different canvas, and everything else is a lie to get him there. Which is what makes the Maelle ending good it's an ironic hell of his own making where he's finally forced to keep a promise that he deserves for letting Gustave die. >But Lumiere people are Sims NPCs who cares if they die?They why do you care if Verso is forced to live and be miserable? He's an Sims NPC too
>>727530490At least just say>I didn't understand what verso talked aboutit's faster.
>>727529956>after that, you are now in camp, and you can walk & talk to them as verso, where they express how they feelLune>I was right not to trust you. I wouldn't have betayed my expedition. I would have warned them that everyone they cared about was about to be erased. That THEY were about to be erased. I would have told them the truth. Because after everything we've been through, we deserved that.>so you'll choose your expedition over your own mother>That's your problem, you think in false dichotomies. It wasn't an "either/or" situation. Other solutions were possible, if you'd only trusted us enough to ask.Doesn't seem like she cares about how she's just a creation, she's just pissed at Verso for lying to the group.Sciel>I don't need your mea culpa. You did what you felt you had to do. Of course, you were wrong, but... oh well. I got over it (being upset at you). Everything I knew about our world is wrong. And you know what? I don't care. 'Cause death isn't death anymore. And that means, I can see my husband again. I'd sacrifice you in a heartbeat to get him back, so... I understand. We're good. As long as you help me bring Pierre back. You owe me.Sciel literally says she doesn't care.
>>727530059You boil down human existence to sentience and reproduction which is an extremely inhuman view of what makes someone a human being. You assume that the replicated facsimiles of humanity are in fact human rather than created replicas of what the creator sees as human. Every single being in the painted world is made in the image of someone else by a godlike entity. It's like claiming that God does not have the right to erase our existence because we are "alive" but we are not "alive" in the same sense as God is "alive". The painted people are not "alive" in the same way Maelle or Aline or Renoir or Clea are. They are pale imitations and shadows of another's mind, not wholly independent living beings with true agency and autonomy. They exist because the painter allows it and they end when the painter demands it.
>>727514000I prefer Maelle's ending because it maximizes the suffering of the Dessendre family, which is what that band of genociders deserve.
>>727530157They are real within the confines of the canvas. They are not absolutely real because they cannot leave the canvas and exist only so long as the canvas exists. I am sorry you don't understand metaphysics at all but I can assure you that you are not even half as smart as you believe yourself to be.
>>727530804Shut the fuck up you degenerate scum.God, even if he created me, doesn't have the right to end me.Painted people are fully sentient, self aware entities with their own lives. Gustav, Lune, all other Lumierians are not part of someone's imagination, they were born without the knowledge of Aline or anyone else.
Maelle's ending is her in a theater full of her own puppets. Everybody died in Act 2 and she painted completely new people made to act, and poor copies at that. She could not faithfully recreate the people of Lumiere that she never even met, for example, Sciel's husband.
>>727531178And they can still get gommaged and their chroma can be used to make a fucking table and that will 100% be the exact same entity.
>>727530804>Every single being in the painted world is made in the image of someone else by a godlike entity.No indication of this, only the painted family are copies. Everyone else was born and grew up in the canvas. Certainly it was so after Aline sealed herself away.>It's like claiming that God does not have the right to erase our existence because we are "alive" but we are not "alive" in the same sense as God is "alive".If God is real and omnipotent, then this is true>They exist because the painter allows it and they end when the painter demands it.Doesn't make them less alive than the painters, or of you in the context of an omnipotent God existing. (The Dessendres are not omnipotent btw, otherwise they wouldn't struggle against each other).
>>727531178God absolutely has the right to end you whenever God feels like it, should He exist. Your entire sense of right and wrong is rooted purely in your own ego.
>>727530947>They are real within the confines of the canvasSo they are real. LolThis the whole point of the game. Everyone in the Canvas and Lumiere is ultimately doomed because the Dessendres have problems. Renoir commits omnicide and ends everyone. The Dessendres are gods of the painted world but the painted people are just as real.EVERYONE in Lumiere was born naturally. EVERYONE grows up and lives a normal life until they get gommaged. The painted family didn't even know they were in a Canvas until eventually they were contacted by Clea & later Aline.All of them are sentient beings with their own consciousness & free will. They develop their own personality through the actions and consequences they suffer. The people of Lumiere suffered so hard they developed their own cope by trying to lighten up the gommage with flowers and thinking it as a tradition. The expeditions are a direct result of it.Verso, who is suppose to be a loving painted copy of the real Verso, ends up going insane after decades and is a near complete 180 to his real self.
>>727531587And who created the people that started giving birth to further people? Oh right, Verso created them and then grew up and left the canvas behind. Then Aline moved in. It does make them less alive than the painters because they cannot exist outside the painting.
>>727514000got opinion forged by the cutscene direction award
>>727531738Everyone? Who created the first "people" in Lumiere? Verso. So, he created facsimiles of people to act like real people and simulate a lived experience in an artificial world. You confuse this for reality. They are defined entirely by the painter and canvas, it does not matter if they are real within the confines of the canvas all that matters is if they are absolutely real or not. They are definitively NOT. You are coping because you cannot accept reality for what it is, only for what you wish it to be.
>>727531201I kind of agree. In terms of pure dramatic angle, it's far better. Reminded me of Sunset Boulevard ending and Norma completely drowning in her own delusion. I think far less people would be even talking about the game if they weren't given the choice to prolong the painted daydream where she is a movie star, I mean where she is with her "friends."
>>727531749But the fact that they live and think and reproduce makes them alive.
>>727532002Verso painted them with his soul. They are alive because they have a piece of Verso inside them.
>>727514000I just don't like Verso, so he had to diesimple as
>>727532002>VersoNo?It was Aline who created the first people. After that life just went on normally and naturally.Verso and Clea created only the Gestrals & Grandis.>They are defined entirely by the painter and canvasNo, they aren't. They are defined literally by their own actions. I proved this already. The painters aren't playing Sims here, the Lumierans have their own lives to take care of. >it does not matter Yes it DOES lol and I already proved this already in my last reply. You keep trying to rewrite sentences like they're "ha gotcha!" moments but it isn't true. They only difference between the canvas people, and the real people, is that the canvas people live in a canvas created by the real people. Ultimately the real people are above them and they are Gods but the canvas people aren't any less real because of that.>created facsimiles of people to act like real people and simulate a lived experience in an artificial worldThey're not simulating or acting anything. You're basing off what's going here off of our understanding of it. This is a fantasy. Aline is a master painter and has the skill & experience to create a real human being in a canvas. They think, therefore they are. They live and die naturally & normally, and have their own self awareness.
What do you think the DLC will be? Expedition 0 or more content inside of Lumière?
>>727533139Any extra chapter DLC would ruin all hype for the sequel. They only have 1 chance to expand the story.
>>727532526They live and think and reproduce within the artificial constraints and terms of the canvas, not in an absolute sense. They cannot cross into the real world at all and the root of their "sentience" comes from child Verso's own sense of sentience and being alive. He created the first "people" in the canvas and the "sentience" of these people is a replication of what Verso understands it to be. When he grows up and leaves the canvas behind, the creations continue on naturally according to this. None of the creations know of their own artificial nature and don't realize that their "sentience" is actually just a replication of one boys sentience. It's not true sentience. It's a replication of what a younger Verso understands sentience to be carried out over reproductive cycles. The original peoples entire sense of being and self was created by Verso specifically in the context of Verso's own mind. It is why Painted Verso is a shadow of the real Verso and why even making him was so dangerous for Aline. It is not the actual Verso it is the Verso Aline has in HER head and the sentience he has leads to changes in the personality ALINE remembers he had. Which leads to him discovering that he is not even a real person but is defined by the imagination of Aline upon creation. Their sentience is not real. It is based entirely on the creators understanding of sentience which, since the family is not actually omnipotent, is flawed and HUMAN-LIKE. It is WHY they are convincing illusions, because their own sentience is an imperfect replica of the creators imperfect understanding. It's also why Maelle cannot actually recreate them correctly in her ending. She does not have the same understanding of sentience that Verso or Aline had so therefore cannot recreate the exact people as they were, but must instead recreate them as how they exist within her own mind. Her own version of them is different because their sentience is rooted in hers, not Verso's.
>>727533352I imagine a sequel wouldn’t retread the same setting anyway, a sequel that takes place in the writers works would be cool
>>727533081Their sentience is defined by the creators understanding of their own sentience. It is not a naturally occurring phenomenon within Lumiere. Their sentience is based on what the creators imperfect understanding of sentience is. This does not make them "alive" but it does make them convincing human-like robots.
>>727533391Very nice to hear, but why would that invalidate them as living beings?
>>727533814Because they are not living beings. They are replicas of what someone else understands a living being to be, which is an inherently incomplete understanding of sentience. You yourself do not even fully understand sentience. If this were not the case then Maelle could create perfect re-creations of the people but she cannot because her understanding of "being alive" is different. The version of these people in her head is different. Thus they are alive only in a subjective and not objective sense. They are alive to YOU because they FEEL alive to you but they are not ACTUALLY alive because their entire existence is based on a flawed understanding OF existence.
>>727514000Maelle's ending feels like the ending to a horror movie. They didn't even try to make both endings have ups and downs, it's a straight good ending/bad ending sorta deal. Still liked both anyway. And Verso's not immortal anymore at least so he's not living for another 100 years.
>>727529956>there is a cutscene where lune lashes out to verso and sciel is shocked.About him lying. Completely different than the point of contention.>this is objectively true and if you missed thisThe end of Sciel's s link that you talked up is her saying she wants to fuck Verso again, but also that she's happy her husband is coming back. Lune's is just about her parents. Neither delve into the implications of being "fake" and both characters disappear from the main plot. You haven't argued what I was talking about at all. You're just arguing "in favor" of the game by saying the girls have scenes. You're illiterate.
>>727529825That's how you know a game's high effort
>>727529825Reacher and the whole area was meant to be part of the main game originally and that area was polished as the games vertical slice before eventually being cut from the main path.
>>727529114He says "to me" because the conversation was about Clea who tortured painted version of herself after you defeat her. Why are you speaking out if you don't care about the game enough to remember context.
>>727514000bot endings are dishonest. they dont answer central incoherences bcs if they did it would undermine a bunch of the melo drama
>>727514000Tragic endings are bettersorry you are retarded>>727523052That looks like a condescending smirk. Perhaps you are autistic.
>>727534395>You yourself do not even fully understand sentience.No one understands sentience though.
>>727528312Fuck off. The story is actual dogshit if Gustave's entire arc is designed to be nothing but a meandering chatbot that you're told to be stupid for wasting time caring about.
>>727536638They are like that because the character's involved are doing everything from a personal standpoint.The real sin of E33s story is that the team decided to make an entire world for the sake of a personal story instead of just making what that personal story needed.
>>727514000Sounds like you don't understand what is happening, very common among people who prefer Verso. No I won't explain it anymore I'll just tell you you're wrong and move on.Maelle is the good ending, she saves everyone from the evil Verso and Renoir who kill innocent people for their own sakes.
>>727536930solipsism is not an excuse for bad plot construction and dishonest investment currency its literally "so what" and that what Renoir also says. "they are right but it changes nothing"..emm ok. then thats shitty writing. he has to justify his actions better or Verso has to actually join him right then and there. it makes zero sense that he keeps fighting him.
>it's ANOTHER episode of midwits screeching autistically about le AI/NPC/Sims/VR
>>727514000>Verso is literally shaking realising there's going to be another hundreds of years of meaningless existence and pain.Verso is visibly olderMaelle removed his immortality in the hopes that he would enjoy his lifeThe tragedy of Maelle's ending isn't Verso or the people of the Canvas, it's Maelle herself, who has become lost in her ideal fantasy and will die there.For everyone else it's a good ending
>>727537110That's you not getting Verso or that situation.Verso is tired because he thinks their is no way to save the painters and keep the painting alive.Then Alicia getting her memory back changes that, it gives him hope things can be fixed, so he sides with her.Then after everything is said and done he not only get the cold water splash of Aline crumped in the real world but also of Alicia showing that she is not capable of fixing everything and then leaving so decides to go back to his original intention having had hope crushed right in front of him.If Alica actually could handle the situation he would of kept going but she couldn't and so there was only one thing left to do.
>>727536832Exactly. So, you therefore cannot actually recreate it only a subjective and incomplete understanding of it. Therefore they are not actually sentient the same way AI models are not sentient and will never be sentient until we fully understand how sentience works. No matter how convincing the people of the painted world are, they are still just shades of what a real person actually is.
>>727537384Maelle has people she loves and who love her, I don't understand the tragedy, she will live out her life with good people around her.
>>727537110>it makes zero sense that he keeps fighting him.Verso believes in Alicia, then she betrays his expectations.
>>727537204It's really not that hard to understand. Man does not fully understand his own consciousness and therefore cannot replicate it in totality. This makes a created mind a false mind, defined entirely by the incomplete understanding of the creators own mind.
>>727537770Verso is literally just confused and being dragged along, betrays people left and right, he's a loser idiot.
>>727537568Verso is fake. he is not the real guy but an idealized version painted by the mother. but now i am expected to believe that bcs he has the memories of the incident he is turning against the mother and wants to destroy the canvas instead of lettig Maelle live out one version that was denied to her ? its bad writing. you are eating the melo drama red meat that has not earned its keep. just bcs something can be cheaply justified doesnt mean its well constructed. just bcs he can make a case doesnt mean the case is good. it is never answered what his relation is to the real verso. it is never answered what the nature of the painting is. it is never answered what the time line is of painting world compared to outside world. there are tons of questions that should not have been left to ambiguity. but its netflix tier writing so all these things are just props for the melo drama. its not good.
>>727537862Verso believes Alicia will fix everything, then leave to live her life.But she's just another Aline.
>>727537847Thank you for your take, midwit sama
>>727537648They do not love her. They are created specifically to play the role of loving her. They do not have a choice. They are not the same people you went on the adventure with. Forced love is not love.
>>727537770dude when she is arguing with Renoir about what the canvas is about and why it shouldnt be destroyed he just sits there and stares holes into the air. you are just inventing shit so your version remains justifiable.
>>727528396>at the time of it happeningNothing in the game says thisMaelle collects Lune and Sciel's chroma quite some time after they gommage>>727528591If there was anyone who could have convinced Maelle to leave the Canvas, it would have been Gustave.That's the tragic irony. Verso let him die thinking that he was the reason she would stay, but he's the only reason she could have left.The hypothetical good ending dies with Gustave. His death is what breaks Maelle, her disposition immediately shifts.
>>727537925No problem, retard-kun.
>>727537924She's loyal to her friends, she protects innocent people from being murdered and tortured. Pretty good person. Stays in the canvas because if she don't her father will murder everyone in there and destroy it.
>>727537961He's fine until then.Then he sees Aline descend.Then he sees real Aline basically dying outside.Then he sees Alicia lie to renoir's face ready to suicide just like her.You literally can see him get mindbroken in real time.
>>727525932Anon, when people say that they're referring to the fact that all the emotional framing is now solely around the dessendre's
>>727537952This take is so incredibly dumb and wrong I feel sorry for you.
>>727538051>Stays in the canvas because if she don't her father will murder everyone in there and destroy it.She stays in the canvas, because, ACCORDING TO HER OWN WORDS>I want to live the life that was stolen from us brotherIf that wasn't verso's canvas and her mother hadn't painted him there she wouldn't give a SHIT.
>>727514000but maelle is cute!
>>727538067nothing of it matters bcs the nature of the canvas remains unknown. my personal interpretation of her ending is literally she makes him age to see if it can change his mind. when it turns out that it cant the "color" in her face is signaling that she is going to go back out and retake her Alicia face. prove my interpretation wrong ! you cant bcs of all the shitty ambiguity that generates fake debates. its not well written. it needed way more. go read/play House in Fata Morgana for melo drama kino that earns its moments.
>>727538157Her own words is that she wants to protect her beloved friends in the canvas. Play the game and listen to what they say. All of it not just that one sentence you're repeating.
>>727538117I'm sorry you are a mentally ill retard that has a warped twisted sense of love.
>>727537875>Verso is fake. he is not the real guy but an idealized version painted by the mother. but now i am expected to believe that bcs he has the memories of the incident he is turning against the mother and wants to destroy the canvas instead of lettig Maelle live out one version that was denied to her ? its bad writing. yes? the plot flew over your head
>>727538223>go read/play House in Fata Morgana for melo drama kino that earns its moments.I played it before you did, in nip, don't worry.>. when it turns out that it cant the "color" in her face is signaling that she is going to go back out and retake her Alicia face.Actually, you can prove this wrong because she herself said she's never leaving.
>>727538226That's not what she wants. She literally lies. You're a fucking idiot. She wants to escape the consequences of her actions and is using her "friends" as a convenient excuse for her own selfish desires.
>>727538245it flew right into your throat bcs you cant question anything and have no reference for actual good plot construction.
>>727538331All she does the entire game is help people, protects her friends, stays loyal.Verso and Renoir lies, deceives and murders.
>>727538310why would you take her by her word when all she wants is to change Versos mind in that scene ? why not take her on her word towards Renoir ? its fake and gay.
>>727538335there is nothing to question in that context, because everything is right there. pVerso lived his life normally until his whole reality was shattered when he realizes the world around him is fake, when he realizes he isnt even a real person and his memories arent even his. he has a massive existential crisis and after 7 decades he wants to kill himself.despite all this, he does feel actual love for maelle and his family. he does bond with them all and still loves them, this is proven by his last words to maelle in his ending. still though, he is suicidal.it makes it worse for him when his family is killing himself all around him, for a painted version of him.so when he sees his shot, he takes it and ends it all. why would verso ever allow maelle to continue killing herself in the canvas?
>>727538401Did you miss the part where she spent most of the game having no memory of her true nature and purpose in the painting? The Maelle you play the majority of the game with is not the REAL Maelle. It is a Maelle with all of her IRL memories and personality ripped out. The Maelle you get AFTER Act 2, who has all of her memories and IRL personality intact is the REAL Maelle. The REAL Maelle is a selfish lying brat that got her brother killed and is trying to use the "people" in the painting to avoid the consequences of her actions.
>>727538975She's not selfish she's fighting to save everyone in the canvas, the mission never changed.
>>727538785Because the poster you are replying to has never actually experienced love in their life so they have a fundamental misunderstanding of it. >>727539078No, she wants to remain in the canvas to escape the consequences of her actions. You did not understand the game or her character at all. Stop posting.
>>727539078The motive did though
>>727539239No she wants to save innocent people from death and suffering while also staying with people she loves and who love her, good people, instead of her shit family full of psychos. Literally everything is good with her staying in the canvas, her evil family loses and she saves all the good people and gets to live her life with them.
>>727538785this is crux of the issue. i dont buy Versos character. he is inherently ambiguous so that this shitty emotional bow tie can be made. "i am not the real Verso and you are not the real Alicia" but they are treated exactly like they are. by the plot. by the world. by Renoir. the actual Verso would be that generic asset Verso that is painting but that guy doesnt even speak. he is just another theater prop. what even does it mean for his soul to be the canvas ?! If Maelle was true to her word she would have told the fake Verso "aight see ya" erased him and then interacted with the actual center of the canvas which is the kid painting. but that guy is just a prop. there are just so many issues bcs all this story wants is to force the generic "overcoming grief" ending at the head of terrestrial level genocide by solipsistic megalomaniacs. their whole grief is worth shit if they treat the people of the painting (who have not shown any internal signs of being puppets) as bugs to be squashed. they must have been aware of this but all they do is drop a little Lune red meat where she gives Verso the death stare. HELLO the actual good part of this story is all there. but it has to be written out. they didnt or couldnt bcs then they would have been force to clear the cowardly ambiguity they hide behind. i know that asian woman behind the plot is a book reader. but i also know that she is far below the greats of the art.
I'm here since 2015 so im still a newfag considered but in my experience honest E33 like this one are the best ones I interacted on. Actual honest discussions
>>727539339The classic delusional mentally ill Maellefag
I do not understand how it is incomprehensible that there is no "right" ending in Expedition 33 and that they are both thematically appropriate for what you are going for. Are you just objectively stupid?
>>727539413>E33 threads*whoops
>>727539457I mean if you think mass murder, torture, lying and deceiving your friends etc. is good then support Verso and Renoir it's fine.
Is stoping someone saving someone else murder?
>>727539357They show no internal signs of being puppets because you, the player, are meant to be manipulated into believing they are real. You are upset because your ego got hurt by this clever little trick and instead of accepting the reality for what it is, you assume it must be because the game was poorly written that you feel so upset. It's not. It's because you are not as smart as you think you are, you know it, and it makes you angry.
>>727539559They are not people. They are dolls, retard.
>>727539676no. in order to manipulate me you have conclusively !!!display!!! that they are puppets. Renoirs speech of "it doesnt matter" is simply not good enough. bcs if it doesnt matter and you go the Verso ending that their overcoming of grief is literal ghoul indulgence of insane people that no one should empathize with. they are all crazy and should get killed/removed
>>727539813
>>727518592I care about some NPCs in my vidya way more than real human beings, because they're just that more awesome and relatable.Same with the folks in Lumiere, especially my man Gustave.Of course I'll pick maelle's ending. Bonus points for allowing me to show a middle finger to verso. That piece of shit deserves to suffer and pay for his crimes of being a faggot.
man I hope we see some of this stuff in the DLChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r1kl4QxEtY
>>727539357>inherently ambiguous no, he isnt, I explained it to you.>the actual Verso would be that generic asset Verso that is painting but that guy doesnt even this is the ambiguous part. kid verso is not entirely explained or what the soul fragments are. presumably its kid verso because verso created the canvas as a kid to play with clea, so his fragment remains resembling his time as a care free child, continuing to paint. despite this, the painters are still above this fragment and its how maelle can just manipulate it in her ending.>Maelle was true to her word yes but she isnt. your point being?she would never erase painted Verso away because she wants to delude herself and live a lifetime with her fake brother.>their whole grief is worth shit if they treat the people of the painting (who have not shown any internal signs of being puppets) as bugs to be squashed. its just clea. alicia clearly cares about the people, and renoir does definitely care, but still values his family above the painting
>>727540708all that you are explaining is why you buy into the narrative and everything presented, why you fill the ambiguity in the way that makes the Verso route all squeaky clean. i dont agree with it and i think you are eating cheap bait that relies on cheap props for an infantile message about muh grief overcoming indulgence. the Maelle route is way more interesting. If it was actually written out and not just cowardly hinted at. and in such a way that defends the shitty Verso route. but even there i decide to interpret her ending differently. she goes out of the canvas after seeing that mortal verso cant be changed.
>>727539861Thank you for proving my point.
>>727541081yes. your point is why this is slop. you can keep it. (far away from me)
>>727539875Your cope does not change reality. >>727541014You can feel however you want. Your feelings do not change or dictate reality in any way. You confuse your emotional ego-protection with actual thinking because you have a mental illness.
>>727541014>she goes out of the canvasMaelle says to Verso in their final confrontation that she can't leave because she thinks Renoir will destroy the canvas if she does.
>>727515952e33 anons are pretty delusional. arguing for hours with eachother over the internet on the meaning of an ending IS something they would do. see: e33 threads.
>>727541413and her ending signals that she will do it nevertheless after getting her way and seeing that Verso is fake and gay and irredeemable and just an incel that wants to die. her face getting that color is her accepting that she is Alicia and will leave.
>>727541014>fill the ambiguityim not explaining some hidden lore that no one knows about. all of what i said, is literally in the game and in the cutscenes, made very clear and obvious. it is the story they want to tell. the only ambiguous part is just what the soul fragments are. but even then, you see very clearly that kid verso is confused and scared and holds no authority over alicia, and gets easily persuaded and agrees with pVerso. >cheap bait that relies on cheap props for an infantile message about muh grief overcoming indulgencethis is such an absurdly retarded sentence i will assume you're saying this just to save face. maybe elaborate a little if you want them to hold more weight.>i dont agree>i decide to interpret her subjective. irrelevant.
>>727541541>head canon
>>727541735ok fag. if everything is clear why does Lune do the death stare in the Verso route after realizing what he will do ? they are all just fake puppets according to you. (she is doing it bcs it is red meat for my side that claims that they are just as subjectively real with integrity as the family. and they are doing it bcs these people being fake undermines the whole story) tell me. what the justfication for that scene in your scenario ? she is just butt hurt lul so what !? there is no way you Verso fags cant see all the fucking holes everywhere.
Maelle's ending is the good ending because it makes that rat Verso suffer more.
>>727542035>but muh luneThe same Lune that was simping for Maelle five minutes ago is upset that Maelle lost? No way...
>>727542035she does it because shes betrayed a 2nd time you fucking retard lmao?????? she was foolish enough to trust verso a second time realizing all of her life was worthless and shes about to be erased.they are not fake puppets. to me everyone in the canvas is real.
>>727542104>>727541541>least mentally ill Maellefag
>>727542204then you are accepting atrocious premises and conclusions. and you are a retard if you side with the family.
>>727542035Subjectively real means "not real". Only things that objectively real are actually real. Thank you for admitting that your entire argument is based on personal feelings and ego-protection, finally.
>>727542316>it's bad because my feelings got hurt and I got exposed for being a mentally ill faggotlol, lmao. Every time.
>>727542349no. its your personal feeling that allow you to deny all the holes in the plot and presentation. eventually some 105iq retard will make the proper youtube video essay that will ass blast you verso apes.
>>727542316yet again you're trying to save face LOLim appalled at how you can think you're so clever when even a toddler is smarter than you. your words are as empty as your head.
>>727542316>then you are accepting atrocious premises and conclusionsYou keep saying shit like this to sound smart yet you can't for your life elaborate on it.
>>727542593everything is there. you decide whether you cling to your nice and clean puppet house or see all the holes. if only some of these interview fags that glaze the woman that wrote the plot would ask some actual questions... i tried watching 3 interviews and its all the same pointless shit. no one calls her out on the plot.
>>727542751I was being genuine with you anon. You keep saying its a bad story with holes everywhere, yet you cant give 1 detail or explanation as to why, or what they even are. And every time you did, you just got owned and said some pretentious shit to make yourself seem better.
>>727540347that would be kino
>>727542848i dont owe you a 10 page essay on plot construction you parasite. time will tell how good the verso route will age. (it wont age well)
>>727526801There's no evidence of any of this retard
>>727543739Considering that they want to make Clair Obscur a series if they make another game and Maelle isn't huffing paint that would make it cut and dry
>>727543739Not that you could write a 10 page essay on plot construction. I bet you took a single English Lit course in college and think you're smart now.
>>727543739That's true. You dont owe anyone anything. But it does expose that you can't defend your own words and everytime you tried to, you failed miserably.After over an hour of typing, only now suddenly you don't want to explain? Directly when you're asked to elaborate a little? Everything leads to you just being a fart sniffing contrarian.
>>727543739You couldn't write a paragraph.
>>727543739>good the verso routeover 8 months of constant discussion and everyone agrees the verso ending is the better choice. maellefags are usually just shitposting, or small minded.
>I think, therefore I amOmg I just btfo'd all you gay niggas that think the people of Lumiere aren't real
>>727533139I just want another dungeon.
E33 scusk
isn't Lumiere doomed anyway when Maelle dies?
>>727545262lol
>>727545420Yeah, no matter how you look at it Lumiere was fucked from the start of the game.>Expeditions succeed and defeats Aline, letting Renoir gommage everyone>Expeditions fail and Renoir gommages everyone over time>Expeditions discover that Renoir is the real enemy, and somehow defeat him. Renoir is kicked out of the canvas. He either goes back in to try again after recovering or Aline dies from paint overdose and Renoir destroys the canvas>In game 33 succeeds, Lumiere is gommaged. Verso's soul stops painting after defeating Maelle and the canvas gommages>Maelle recreates Lumiere to fulfill her fantasy life, and dies later from paint overdose. Renoir destroys the canvas
>>727537619You too aren't sentient then since you can't understand your own sentience.
>>727528105the writers are the villains are you really gonna take them seriously?
>>727547029but are they though?
>>727546582lumiere (and the canvas for that matter) doesn't need aline, renoir, or maelle to actually be present, as kid versos soul was the one keeping everything up. Those 3 can fk off and the residents of lumiere can live peacefully. The only potiental issue are clea's nevrons because she couldn't be bothered to go back into the canvas and de-aggro the nevrons even though theres no longer a reason for them to kill the humans
>>727514000>Can't fathom how some people prefered it over Verso's.They understood humans the wrong way. See: >>727515045
I chose Verso's ending, but the people who go "they're not real" are absolute brainlets.
>>727529109ironically the robot that wants to die is the only good one. so its an option of keeping the robot alive and miserable or doing what he wants
>>727547443I picked Maelle's ending first (denial) and then reloaded the save and picked Verso's (acceptance), just as the frogs intended, 10/10 kino experience.
>>727518169>gives zero regard for the plight of LumiereNigga he was read to live forever and leave the real verso's kid soul being tortured for hundreds of years for Lumiere. It was Maelle becoming an addict which made him go against her
>>727521316>Verso threw away any middle-groundNigga did you miss his sister becoming a literal crack whore right after her mother?
>>727549459He drove her to desperately latch onto staying in Lumiere and protecting her new loved ones the moment he let Gustave die in front of her and threw away his painted sister's letter to make Maelle easier to manipulate.
>>727523232Me too. Female writers can't stop fuck it all up.
>>727523232yeah the final boss being about a teenager throwing a tantrum against her dad was fucking cringe
The narrative and atmosphere established in Part 1 is unpredecented amount of kino. Then it's all wasted away on fuck all but a shitty family soap opera.
>>727519842yeah the game went to shit once gustave died imo
>>727514000>Can't fathom how some people prefered it over Verso's.Because unlike Vercuck, she didn't commit genocide.
>>727550717when maelle did the finisher on renoir st the end of the fight I rolled my eyesyou can tell a woman wrote this tripe
>>727519842verso übermogs gustave as a protagonist. it catches you off guard that the guy you're playing as is a selfish manipulating asshole and you dont even notice it until the ultra gommage.
>>727551242she will end up doing it when she dies from being in the painting too long anyway
>>727551309>and you dont even notice it until the ultra gommagemaybe if you're fucking retarded
>>727551242Verso didn't either.
>>727551436yea no shit there are several hints, you know something is up with him and something isnt right except you dont really know whats what until it hits you
>>727551524maybe if you're retarded
>>727514000Even in the Maelle ending there is hope. Verso is struggling against her control instantly as is shown. He will break free and then him and Simon will annihilate everything.
>>727551572Maelle is the sole paintress and has full control of the chroma inside the canvas.Even if she's shit, creations can't beat her .
>>727546582>He either goes back in to try again after recovering or Aline dies from paint overdose and Renoir destroys the canvasAline could train new Expeditions to kick out Renoir the second he spawns.>Maelle recreates Lumiere to fulfill her fantasy life, and dies later from paint overdose. That's entire generations of life.>Renoir destroys the canvasRenoir is just going to suicide when he gets what he fucking deserves by losing his daughter and possibly his wife too as a chain reaction. He broke up THOUSANDS and likely millions of families without a single regret, why the FUCK should I feel bad when it's his turn to suffer?
>>727551572>He will break free and then him and Simon will annihilate everythingbeautiful cope made me kek irl
>>727551447Yes he did. He killed all the Nevrons and Gestrals.
>>727551447Yeah, he only entered into relationships with people to manipulate them into helping kill themselves along with everyone they hoped to save.
>>727552013... Which would have happened anyway.>oh no he asked up the process so his mother wouldn't fully die Cry me a river.
I knew when Verso showed up that killing the Paintress would be a bad idea.
star ocean 3's story is so much better lmao
>>727552291If by better you mean worse shitting on an established series for no reason beyond shock value.
>>727552389>an established series
>>727552491Yeah, I'm sure SO1 and 2 were made with a retarded twist in mind.Nevermind 2 was an actually popular game.
I don't get why some people still can't grasp the concept of sentience and can't see beyond>they were painted, they were created, they aren't realIf god is real and we were created by god, are we not real then? Is it okay to wipe us all out?If simulation theory is real and we are just a simulation in some aliens experiment, is it okay to wipe us out?What of those aliens were also in a simulation, and it keeps going endlessly?My point being, how they were created or why they are there in the first place is irrelevant, the fact is that the people of lumiere feel, think, have their own goals, have their own feelings, family, loved ones and their own will to survive. They are not comparable to NPC's in a video game or chatGPT. They are not mind controlled puppets, they are living their lives. That is the entire point of the fact that they were painted in a painting using Verso's soul, it makes them different, which is why they can't exist if verso's soul is destroyed. It makes them alive and that painting exclusively unique compared to any other painting created. This makes them no less real than the painters, they are just on a 'lower tier of existence' so the painters have the ability to destroy them or give them life, like we would be on a lower tier of existence from god or aliens simulating us in some matrix style world.If you like Verso's ending, fine, great, but stop trying to deny what it actual is, which is genocide. At least man up and admit you rather destroy a world so that the Dessendre's can attempt to heal in their 'real' world and deal with the painter/writer drama.
>>727551572>hopeHope for genocide? LOL.
>>727552103If the only way you can get over grief is the mass death of an entire civilization then you don't deserve to get over it.
>>727514000Maelle wants a childish outcome. Her outcome appeals to children.
>>727552582a line's fault for creating humans in verso's canvas to begin withcan't believe that cunt got away with itI hope the writers kill that shit family
>>727552582>stop trying to deny what it actually is, which is genocideI'd argue recreating a civilization that was killed off already and putting them in another doomed scenario is just as bad.
>>727552693>if you don't want genocide you are a childkek
>>727552582they were already wiped out bro, only a entities left in the canvas at the end
>>727552981you can just recreate them in another canvas
>>727552919You'd argue that the one who commited genocide deserves a happy ending actually.
>>727553019Not the same chroma.
>>727553051See>>727553019
>>727552919Which is a perfectly reasonable stance. The painting will only exist as long as Maelle lives, so yeah, they are on a doomed countdown unless someone replaced Maelle. My only issue is people saying Verso's ending is the good ending and justifying it by saying the people of Lumierre aren't 'real', because its short sighted.
>STILL no contentim dying here anons, please help
>>727553138See >>727553123
>>7275529811) not real people, they exist at a level of reality beneath the dessendres2) theseus' ship. they had already been gommaged and turned into onions chroma. is redrawing them bringing them back, or make a pale facsimile of what was lost?you ARE a child
>>727551242He didn't commit genocide, he simply collaborated with Renoir with the explicit intent of causing a genocide. It's completely different!
>>727551713She doesn't have full control of Verso though. Unlucky for her. Also, Simon can remove anyone from the painting instantly by looking at you.
>>727553147>The painting will only exist as long as Maelle livesNo it won't. Renoir is going to suicide after losing son, daughter and wife.
the only manipulation verso was guilty of (in the game, im sure he manipulated some during e0) was that he let Gustav die in order to ensure there is no way of reconciliation between pRenoir and Maelle.up until the last battle, Verso was on Maelle's side. Aline returning to the canvas and Alicia lying to Renoir forced him to go scorched earth on the canvas
>>727553156Clea content could only come in the form of expedition 0 because she’s far too busy being a real person
>>727553220>not real peopleThe author mentioned that saying this means he failed as a writer. So you think the game sucks therefore you shouldn't be here wasting time arguing a garbage game.>they had already been gommagedAnd you want to reward the one that caused it.
>>727553220Aline creates real, living people in a painted world using the soul of her son>they are realThese people get genocided by RenoireMaelle repaints these people, using the same exact technique/ability of her mother, using verso's soul>now they are not real or somehow mindless copiesPlease make it make sense.
>>727553220>NOOOOO HE DINDU NUFFIN FREE MY NIGGANiggers like you rewarding criminals is what made Carmelo Anthony a millionaire.
>>727553123they'll just have less chromasones
neither ending is good
>>727553684Maelle had trouble repainting Lune and Sciel when using their specific chroma, do you really think she's capable of perfectly repainting an entire city when their chroma is a giant melting pot?
>>727553591>>727553684>>727553740>my sims are real peoplethe game's final decision is much stronger as a meta-decision, a love-letter to despair of separation from the fictional worlds we come to invest ourselves in. it doesn't make harry potter real. it means the impact it can have on you is, just as verso's world had a tremendous impact on the dessendres, just as the game itself has an impact on you the player.
>>727553882get mommy to do it
You know Versotards are coping with the HURR SHE CAN REPAINT THEM when that means she could repaint Vertard in another canvas and put him back on the fucking piano if it worked the way they pretend it does. Not only that but saying HURRR REPAINT XDDD means they are okay with Alicia killing herself as long as it means Verfaggot got his suicide.
>>727553406>up until the last battle, Verso was on Maelle's sideMaelle's side was always Lumiere's side while Verso always intended to wipe them out. They only temporarily were on the same side from the start of act 3 until after Renoir's defeat.
>>727553956Why are you discussing a game who you admit has a garbage plot? The author failed you, he said so himself and couldn't convey to you what he intended. It's a shit game just go discuss some good game instead.
>>727554139>IF YOU DON'T TAKE MY STANCE YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT ITlol fucking child
>>727554257The author said it not me. You think the game is ass.
>>727554101he was willing to go with Maelle's plan to restore Lumiere and fight Renoir off, it's only after he found out Renoir couldn't stop Aline from returning and Alicia flat out lies to Renoir that he decide to go full genocide.
>>727554021Because Alicia is obsessed with it being Verso's canvas, the people don't matter. If she repaints Lumiere (which Maelle said at the start of the game she didn't feel like she belonged in) it would be in a healthier manner bcause Verso isn't involved.>she could repaint verso in another canvasAnd it would be quite literally soulless, it wouldn't be the same to her.
>>727554401>LOOK AT ME I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT ARTISTIC MERIT ABOUT ANYTHING BECAUSE I BELIEVE AUTHORIAL INTENT IS THE END ALL AND BE ALLso, finishing high school soon?
>>727554550>BECAUSE I BELIEVE AUTHORIAL INTENT IS THE END ALL AND BE ALLWho said this? He literally said he failed you and it wasn't his intent. If he failed you in conveying what he wanted to convey as a result is makes him a shit writer, no? So you think the game has garbage writing.
>>727554762jesus you couldn't even read the one line i typedi'll repeatauthorial intent isn't authority over art you fucking godless swine
>siding with a female
>>727519207Who cares
>>727554484He goes full genocide when he leads crusades against Aline to kick her out so Renoir is able to erase everyone. This begins long before the events of the game even happen, let alone before Alicia goes retard mode.
>>727554490>bcause Verso isn't involved.How so? You literally pretend she can bring them back exactly as they are like a rebirth. So she can just respawn Verso.>And it would be quite literally soullessAh so you admit it is genocide.
>>727523229Lune's death stare at the end of Verso's ending implies otherwise.
>>727554841>brainlet already on the verge of a short circuitLMAO. Nobody is saying you have to take Maelle's side because the author intended you to see Lumerians as humans.The author failed to convey his intent, which makes the game have shit writing in your eyes. You are not a fan of Expedition 33 as you argue from a standpoint of the game having shit writing.
I think they genuinely failed to imply how addicting being in the painting is. Sure, being in it passes the time and rots the painter, but frankly the fact people still struggle with "Destroy the painting" seems like they failed to convey how threatening it was for it to continue to exist.
>>727555321good god, literally telling you 'what the author says' isn't the end all and be all of appreciating something, and your first response is 'THE AUTHOR SAID'maelle fags truly are retarded
>>727555358I thought the magical adventures flying across the land made that pretty clear
>>727514000>killing everybody vs liar being sad It's a mystery to me how people think the first one is the moral choice. Handsome men are more powerful than I thought.
>>727555491Sure, if people are thinking that the choice in itself is "You must let the sentient beings die for the Greek Gods" when in reality its "The Greek Gods are bleeding themselves into an early grave and there's no other choice".
>>727518390>create art>procreate >create new technology >capable of rising up against their mastersThose are the main differences between them and you. Also why they are people and you aren't.
>>727555054Maelle isn't going to be able to paint Verso the same way as Aline can. And if Aline could paint Verso on any canvas it wouldn't have had to have been Verso's. Therefore to repaint Verso specifically in the way they want him it needs Verso's soul.
I choose the Maelle ending because Painters deserve to suffer.
>>727514995Too bad she can't paint for shit and your baby will be a reused random kid and would grow up into some random reused dude from that shit ass ending.
>>727555474>brainlet literally can't process itWhat the author said is not the argument. The result of what he said is what in your eyes makes the game shit. If the author can't write, then his work has shit writing. This is what you believe about Expedition 33.
>>727555785at least your answer is honest rather than some delulu faux altruism
>>727555770>Maelle isn't going to be able to paint Verso the same way as Aline canSo you admit the HURRR SHE CAN REPAINT THEM is just cope you Versofags use to pretend it's not genocide.
>>727556019did you also think the last of us 2 was a masterpiece because druckmann told you it was?i don't give a shit by what measure the artist is evaluating himself
>>727556120I never said she can't repaint the rest of the people of Lumiere like Aline, just Verso because Aline has a different understanding of Verso and they wouldn't have access to Verso's soul.
>>727556189If Druckmann failed to convey a masterpiece, no.
>>727556257>just Verso because Aline has a different understanding of VersoMaelle brought Verso back in the Lumiere ending lol.
>>727556389Verso's soul is in Verso's canvas
>>727556310no no, what you're saying is, you have to evaluate the meaning and quality of an artistic endeavour based on the opinions and criteria set out by its creator. you don't get to have a subjective interpretation of it.
You know the ending is good if people are still arguing about this in circles
>>727556482So is the chroma of everyone in Lumiere.
>>727556730>have to evaluate the meaning and quality of an artistic endeavour based on the opinions and criteria set out by its creatorNobody said that. You really are too stupid to follow LMAO. If the author says that he wanted to convey a message that YOU didn't understand, THAT makes him a shit writer, and his work, as a result, has shit writing in it.
>>727556482Nta but Verso's soul isn't needed to paint Verso. All that's needed is skill and (presumably) a deep enough understanding of the person. We know this is because of the accuracy of Aline's other painted family members, specifically Renoir.
>>727557145>noooo but the author said>the author told me to look at it this way>we all have to listen to the author's interpretation!you're retarded and you should probably be disallowed from opinions on matters that impact other peoplei stand by my initial stancemaelle's response to grief is childishthe maelle ending is childishmaelle fags are dumb childrenyou are my case study
I wanted NG+Maelle wanted NG+Never liked Verso, his friends look smellyShe was the right answer for me
>>727557178verso has special white gommage petals. that version of him is special
>>727555648(you) believe it was them who made shit up and not just alina giving them tools so they can fight off the mons set by renoir/clea?Every single one of them is designed before birth by Alina. Gives credit to how fucking powerful Alina is as a paintress.It took years, both the power of Renior and highjacking of painted clea by real clea to weaken aline enough for an expedition to finish her off, which alina tried to heal and help but were missguided by painted verso.If anything, all the things created indirectly/directed by her were made to protect and give a fighting chance against the nevrons and ultimately fight off renoir and repainted clea.
>>727557297>the author told me to look at it this way>we all have to listen to the author's interpretation!None of this was said. You can have your interpretation, but as a result you indirectly admit you believe the writing of the game is trash. I know you still don't get it since you keep repeating shit nobody said like a broken record though. That's a result of low IQ.
>>727551572>Even in the Maelle ending there is hope.You do realized that Maelle is not immortal right? The canvas fate is doomed once Maelle choose to lie to her father instead of compromising with him.
>>727557492That's headcanon. The White Petals could have easily come from that last buff Aline gave verso during the boss battle.
>>727557605What makes you thinn Renoir won't an hero from having 3 out of 4 family members dead?
>>727552582I never denied that Verso's ending is genocide. But when i got to that point, i though to myself "if to save my sister's life i had to commit genocide, and i had to power to, would i?"The answer is yes.
>>727557550lol what a fucking moron. too stupid to think for yourself, but emotional enough to bark at anyone that doesn't align with daddy director. if anything, you might be right. because if the writer wants to impose their authorial intent on others in that way, then the success of this game will only lend itself to conceit; i suspect the next game's writing will be garbage built upon their ego, and any talent will have emerged to have been utterly coincidental.
idk im just here for those maelle webms
>>727557692>replies with even more headcanonhe is the only 'fake' person who can stay in the zone between worlds. It is clearly related to verso's soul
>>727518169The game itself starts to hint at you that everything is fake and just a painting.From the continent itself looking like some painting to the gestrals being literally just paintbrushes to people not making any sense and being copy pasted or looking like versions of one another who are mostly looking like clea, verso or alicia. Heck, even the songs hint you enough at this.By the time gustav gets killed you must have already pieced enough but you are also emotional invested in the whole expedition thing and perhaps even invested on getting revenge, not because the game is pushing you that way but because the in game characters want that and they can't notice yet they are nothing but a painting.
>open steam>start reinstalling the game for a second playthrough>see that they announced a big update with new contentWell now I'm not gonna play it before the update, dammit.
>>727520920Literally it was between those two and one of them knows they are not winning. Easy bet unless sn0y throws so much money at it some of their bullshit ends up winning. Same could happen to the konkey dong gaem but it would be way more blatant.
>>727557984To be fair with the music hints no one speaks frog so it went over everyone's head
>>727528159>I stopped playing after completing the game and getting both endingsAlright.
Don't care about the painted people or the gay family drama. I chose eternal enslavement for Verso because he let Gustave die, simple as.
>>727558070the article is bait and retard journos keep spreading itteam cherry and sandfall are tight
>>727558313
>>727557898He begins to gommage within seconds upon entering that area. Maelle stops him from being gommaged completely.Funnily enough, everyone else barring Lune also enters that area and DON'T gommage on camera at all.
>>727558690Verso only starts to gommage when Verso's soul stops painting. He's fine before the conversation, and you can walk around for as long as you want before beginning the final sequence.
>>727558114That's because the tongue of the slave is the only tongue you speak. We are not the same.Also frog is not my main language, just one that i know enough of to understand the lyrics enough to get hints.
>>727558460I know they are. Never implied otherwise. Still the GOTY is between those two. Silksong is good enough but they know it's not the same as E33, and thus they won't likely attend. For that and other reasons, most likely because it's fucking far away from them and they are basically a 3 people studio.
>>727557692>>727557898>>727558690Maelle says Verso shouldn't be able to be in that zone and Verso responds with "Maman's gift" so his gommage-resistance is definitely from his immortality. The white petals appear in both endings for whoever loses the fight so they're probably what happens when someone is gommaged by a canvas' soul specifically.>>727558886Maybe but one issue with that is that Maelle doesn't begin to gommage when the soul stops painting. She's shown to be a bad painter so you'd think she wouldn't be skilled enough to resist a canvas self-destruct.
>>727558460that's wholesomenomura did E33xFF7 art too>>727559593also they've probably been to LA before and know what a fucking shithole it is
>>727517775yeah they made a big deal out of it and it got away as well
>>727559959
IIIIIII SNEEEEEED YOUUUUUUUUIIIIIII FEEEEEEEED YOUUUUUUUUU
how does gustve go from almost dying to ending up in a forest?
>>727563735go back to sucking dicks on reddit
>>727565861never explained lolSciel ends up all the way in Yellow Harvest
>>727565861What's even better is that it's impossible to reach the inner part of the continent where they land (or anywhere the game takes place) by boat from Lumiere.
>>727566408It is possible. There's a waterfall opening along the wall if you look at it in-game.Idk if boats can survive dropping from a waterfall but still
Maelle fanboys are faggots.
>>727565861we were gonna find out when sciel asked gustave but lune cut the conversation short
>>727567273not really - he was just gonna say he was gonna shoot himself but lune stopped him
>>727514000/v/ is filled with retards, autists and sociopaths, so obviously Verso's ending is more popular here.Case in point - >>727514000>>727514584>>727515045>>727518592
>>727568068i honestly don't like either ending but maelle's is more entertaining - verso's ending is the family's closure but they don't deserve it
>>727514000Still saving Lumière from genocide from the faggy emo pianist and the childish demiurge painter cunts, and fingers crossed the Writers come back and finish off their entire family for abusing their powers in such a petty manner.
>>727518169The game does very little to make me care about the people of lumiere or their relation to the main characters. My problem with the endings is that in the happy ending everyone in the painting dies and the evil dessandre family live happily ever after. There should have been an ending where they also die. Instead, the fate of the world all comes down to a spat between two pathetic people.
>>727569671That's one of the main things that makes the ending discussions so controversial: Whether or not it's okay to let everyone and everything in the canvas die for the sake of one family.
the painted characters deserve better than just being controlled by final form maelle
>>727569832And that’s why the game fucking sucks. The central moral question should concern the very existence of this hell dimension where people are birthed and tortured by a dysfunctional family with no regard for their lives. Instead, the writers made it all about the stupid Dessandre family. It’s pitiful how everyone in the party and in the painting world just watch on the sidelines as Maelle and a clone of her brother decide the fate of the world.
>>727570205I remember the story losing me at Act 3 and after reading your post I realize why. It's probably because I was expecting this sort of story, where the canvas inhabitants rebel against their creator gods.Not saying it would have been better to have a story I was expecting, but there's so little to like about the Dessandre family unless you're reading between the lines and understanding all their lore on a first playthrough.
>>727570693The failure of the writers to even grasp this moral question reveals the moral turpitude of the French and malevolent stupidity of the average gamepass subscriber.
>>727514000the game obviously wants you to pick Verso's ending, but it's kind of understandable to pick Maelle's ending because the people of Lumiere are clearly sentient and it's kind of insane to prioritize Maelle's health (ie free her from the canvas) over all those lives
>>727553156Clea should be the main protagonist of the sequel. Her story would be interesting
>>727570693I like Maelle, but outside of one sympathetic conversation with her Renoir I don't really see any reason to care about the others.Aline is abandoning her family to wallow in her grief and resents her crippled daughter so much that even the idealized copy she made of her suffers with chronic pain and no voice. Clea only cares about the conflict with the writers, but makes a point to blame Maelle for all their shit and tortures painted Clea for the sake of it. Renoir pretends to be the voice of reason but still shows no hesitation in playing God and his family creating entire worlds just to burn them down.We don't meet real Verso but if he's anything like the painted one he was a two-faced sonuvabitch that lied about everything.
>>727530947You're not real because you exist in the confines of our universe and cannot leave it.
It is fiction, why do you all care so much about make believe bullshit? Holy shit.
>>727546650Are you not sentient then? Fucking retard
Versofags explain this?>We deserve to live. All of us. We deserve to exist.
>>727572906>sike
