What went wrong?
>>727591238sounds like they were fucking around being lazy and comfy for ten years. compare that to the studios working on multiple projects pumping out a title year after year
>>727591238"ITS WWE CHAMPIONS TIME!"- Yacht Club Games probably
>Minakickstarter scam
Good, shovelware knight was trash
>>727591494Did the one guy who actually did all the work leave?
Why did they make the demo a limited time event? Wouldn't allowing it to be playable whenever keep up the hype a bit more?
>>727591238bet they're regretting donating to BLM right about now
>>727591238They made a kickstarter for Shovel Knight, sold tons of copies, made another kickstarter for Mina, and they are still going broke? Wtf.
>>727591581Wouldn't you?They are pissing away money by living in LA and paying themselves LA salaries.For no reason at all.
It's a visually ugly game
Will YOU buy Mina’s game?
I wish this upon the assholes behind Hollow Knight. Those dudes are insufferable and really, REALLY seem to hate their players.
>>727591494>Needing a Kickstarter despite living for 10 years of of shovel knights success >The new Kickstarter is even worse, asking for more money to do less>The games demo is worse than shovel knight >They need to sell 200 000 copies to break even which is a huge task for an indie game
>>727591494>1.2mil for le ebin fishing minigame
>>727591864I really need someone to dissect why this hurts my eyes.
>>727591892Git gud
It might sell that but never sell as much as Shovel Knight. I don't understand how they can be broke. It's really just so obvious now that a fully funded Kickstarter game could never actually reach its stretch goals unless it was actually successful post-releae.
>>727591864Over a million dollars for THIS?
They should donate 3 bilion more to the cathedral of st. Floyd
>>727591494Has there been any game that actually implemented all their stretch goals? It honestly seems like the kiss of death the vast majority of the time.
>>727591864lmao holy shit I guess they tried going for that "gbc zelda" look but infinitely more offensive
>>727592064>I don't understand how they can be brokeLA officeLA salariesFor what? A decade?With 19+ key employees.Let's say they pay themselves 120k each.2 280 000 per year just on salary.
>>727591238they took a decade to make a new game
>>727591238>wonder why I see so much hate for this studio even though SK + its expansions being great games>see the political posts in this threadOh, okay. Fucking faggots.
>>727591494I am not devloper But I know a thing or two about 2D gamesHow many people are trying paying 6 figures salaries to make this 2D that's probably 7-8 hours long?
>>727591238>laid ofAnyway, rip 3D Shovel Knight, I guess.I really didn't care about Mina, sorry - the premise was cute (female rat protag) but the actual gameplay is just not fun this time (compared to simple idea of 2D platforming where the gameplay progression goes HARD on the actual aspect of PLATFORMING, a thing many modern 2D platformers fail to focus on and instead go for some meme combat gimmicks) and the pixel art + Castlevania aesthetics + good OST won't carry the game by themselves. Like, I dunno, a Zelda but with Blasphemous 2's "here are several weapon types to choose from at the start but you can choose only one right now" and clunky digging gimmick is not a good combination, and the demo proved that - it might've sounded fun in theory but not on practice.You need to remember that Shovel Knight was so popular because it came out during the peak of Kickstarter (already full of high-budget failures), was made with incredibly low budget (for a Kickstarter videogame) but with incredibly high quality for such cost and the devs actually delivered on all of their stretchgoals years later and didn't cancel them or backpedaled on some of them and turned them into "fuck-off checkmarks" type of content. So basically everyone praised Yacht Club Games as "this is how you do videogame Kickstarter - no need for high budget to release a high-quality product!"Mina was funded years after Kickstarter hype (only other recent videogame Kickstarter I can recall is Armed Fantasia + Penny Blood and GUESS WHAT HAPPENED), it's nowhere near as polished as Shovel Knight (based on demo) and IIRC the budget was actually much bigger this time, like several times as big as Shovel Knight's. These days a bunch of indie devs release great low-budget games on Steam, so Mina can't be a Hail Mary like Shovel Knight was ten years ago even if it ends up being a good game.
>>727591494Guys! Hurry it up! We're gonna be missing out on the fishing minigame!!!
>>727591942Outlines of random shit has the same saturation as other shit. Someone tried to make the objects stand out from background with vantablack pixels but the screen has way too much information for your eyes.Shovel Knight also had high saturation of colours but It had clear distinction between background and platforms but It also had higher resolution and the colours flowed into each other less jarringly.
>>727592369>privilege 12%
>>727591238Well, at least they would actually finish it. Unlike Jon Blow, which blew all his money making a literal Sokoban game (y'know, a game that was already released 40 years ago?), and did not finish even half before his money run out.
>>727591864how the fuck do you go from shovel knight to this?
But all the shilling on /v/... Surely shills and furshitters that did it for free had some sort of positive effect on promoting the game!
>>727591942what that other anon said. I feel like the pure black for everything is too harsh. I feel like there's also something about the flooring sprite (i.e. the leaves vs the more dotty/grainy lighter brown vs the brick) but i don't know
>>727592512jon blow not being able to ship games is pretty funnythe kind of rhetoric he spews you'd think he'd ship stuff just to prove a point, but he succumbed to the same fucking disease that almost every other dev has fallen into
>>727591864I don't know exactly why this is way uglier than Shovel Knight, but it's not my job.
>>727591913240k which is still ridiculous
>>727591238>>727591494>>727591864lol how is this not some kind of scam where you keep absurd salaries for yourselves
>>727592454>How many people are trying paying 6 figures salaries19, probably less now>>727592951it is a scam, where they scam themselves into going brokesee >>727592408
>>727591238understandably after that afwul king of cards dlc
>>727591864Looks great but the demo got boring. The combat was archaic and moving between challenges was a drag. I only played for 20 minutes though
>>727591494Does it really cost 300k to make a fishing minigame?
>>727593061I could make one for 3000
>>727592672looks a bit better with the softer colors.>>727592489>Outlines of random shit has the same saturation as other shit.it's definitely this though, combined with high res
The only people who defend Jewstarter are the people who actually backed something on it. It's like with Owlkek's WoTR, you'll have retards forever defending it cause they burned money on Kickstarter.
>>727591864Pretty much this. The main appeal is a mouse girl, and yet actual pixel art of the character suck ass. If they can't create passable low-resolution pixel art, just increase resolution by 4 instead of shipping this ugliness. Everything blends together.
>>727592463they demanded a shit ton of money to kickstart mina, despite being millionaires by that pointit's all very scummy
>>727592408I wonder how it feels to be the lead on such a leaky project. Why wouldn't you move somewhere cheaper and have fun developing smaller games with a smaller team?Ain't no way this game requires more than five-six people
They got offices in fucking California.
>>727592672Wait, this is a shitty Zelda clone? I thought it was going to be another platformer.Oh well, rest in piss. At least we'll continue to get porn.
>>727591238Not buying. Have fun.Shovel Knight got shilled so fucking hard and it's mediocre at best. Not buying their new game because I'm not a furry
>>727591238>company based in fucking California.Might as well just burn your money every day. In the digital age, I dont know why people dont set up companies in more lucrative locations that dont cost a % of your life savings.Shovel Knight was a novelty because it was a competent indie game for the time. Now that's common place and the company doesnt stand out so much. Inti Creates shits out Shovel Knight tier games yearly and mogs Yachtclub. Putting all your eggs into the basket of a fucking GAME BOY aping Fromsoft rollslop gameplay is quite the leap of confidence in what they thought would be a hot seller. They should have gone all hands on deck into a 3d game. The 2d pixelshit millenial nostalgia decade is over.
>>727591864Please please tell me it won't look like this when it's released.
>>727593258the obvious comparison is Team Cherry.They never moved to an expensive big city, they didn't hire 20 people.They just worked on the sequel.
>>727593232Divide those "millions" by each developer and each month of development. Include support staff and operating expenses. Then realize that "millions" aren't much when it comes to business.That said, if you're broke, you failed at business.
>>727591238It's definitely going to hit that number, though, it's fine.
>>727593368Thanks for the money, dummy!
>>727593407will it really be enough until they take another decade to make the next game?will they open another kickstarter?
>>727591372200k copies... for a 2d platformer. Yikes. This was 100% the devs living it up large, and not actually working on the game.Lets say the game sells at 30$, iirc that was around what shovel knight was selling for. With steams cut that would be 20$ in their pocket per copy, so 200k+20$= 4 mil. They really need 4 mil for a 2d platformer? Jesus christ.
>>727593372This pretty much sums it up:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyuolKoeAY
>>727592408don't base yourself in LAdon't take 2.5x the average salary
>>727593352Honestly, it cuts both ways, because its the digital age, devs in cheap areas also demand the same wages as devs in rich areas. Sure its negotiated down a bit, but its a global market now.
>>727591864There is nothing wrong with this it looks similat to GB Zeldas.
I wish
>>727593821it gives me a headache at this resolutionthose were meant to be played on a small screen
>>727593394Mid level dev in EU makes around 50k. Which is a really good wage in most places. That gives you 80 months of dev time. Which is also for mid level, not even entry level dev. So a small team of 3 people, would have around 2 years + spare change to make a game and break even with 4 mil. Which is extreme overkill, since that implies full wages for an experienced dev. You could easily have a team of 5-6 people including artists as long as you did not try to recruit only senior experienced staff. But I will say, its impressive how quickly it adds up, and how much the delivery time for a project like this can make it or break it.
>>727593591What are taxes
>>727593821>There is nothing wrong with this it looks similat to GB Zeldas.There are people who don't like how Zelda on GB looks. I think it looks worse than Zelda 1.
>>727593821Here comes the cope
>>727593821GB Zelda fandom is a pretty niche fandom. Can there be enough to buy 200k copies?
>>727593824Furryshit
>>727593960Do you also consider Duck Tales a "furryshit"?
>>727594067No that's a classic, furryfucker
>>727591864MAKE THE PLAYER CHARACTER STAND OUTHOLY FUCK IT'S NOT THAT HARDIF YOU'RE MAKING AN AUTUMN LEVEL GIVE MINA A NEW POWERUP WITH A COSTUME THAT STANDS OUT LIKE GEE I DUNNO A GREEN FUCKING HAT!!!
>>727594067What a retarded comparison. But anyway, how does it feel to support a garbage like this?
>>727594181Today's games would be "classic" in a few decades.
>>727591238Well giving BLM $200,000 didn't exactly help...
>>727594217>supportI explicitly don't like how pixel art looks, did you even read my post?
>>727594235Today's games, like this one for example, will be known as shovelware.
>>727594235Mina will never be a classic lmao.Fucking Yacht Club shills.
>>727594296>SHOVELwarekek
>>727594198This. It's the whole fucking reason Link had pink hair in Link to the Past. If it was his natural color he'd blend in too hard with the environment.
>>727594274>hire countless people to make free content for your game everyone already owns and supposedly work on new projects>donate a ton of money to (((charity)))>spend a lot of time being insufferable political activists instead of making games>"oh shit we gotta finish a game" when your decade+ of coasting off your success ends
>>727594293Not denying anything, eh?
Hold on, these guys have like 4 hits under their belt by now. How tf are they going broke? I get that the SK sequels were basically pro bono, but still.
>>727591238Why are they trying to make this our problem?You mismanaged your funds and are at risk of tanking your businessIs guilt tripping people into buying your game the new meta?
>>727591238>animal mascotandddd it's dead
>>727594536see >>727592408they are also probably getting leased the office in one of the most expensive cities in the world
>>727591238>>727593824Mina needs bags under her eyes.
>>727591864Idk how to tell these guys it's not 2014 anymore and you can't really farm gen-Xers with generic "AHHHH THE GOOD. OLD. DAYS :)" pixel art the way you used to be able to.>>727593289I am and I'm still not buying it.
>>727593960Holy shit guys, he noticed finally.
>>727594536You can't just rest on your laurels. Ubisoft has made a ton of best selling games, but their sales start to stall except for big sales which are practically peanuts compared to when the game was $60 at launch, and that's where they're at now because AC Shadow was their big game in the pipeline meant to allow them to develop more games, but it didn't do so hot.
>Make one of the successful indie games ever made, raking in millions in profit>Do nothing for like 10 years>Refuse to adapt your beloved franchise to 3D with all the money made>Can't even manage to make more pixelslop within that time eitherYachtClub are a bunch of notalent hackfrauds that got lucky plagiarising better games.
>>727591238I forgot about these guys, but I loved Shovel Knight when it released.
>>727591238Thanks, Obama!
>>727591494>>727591864hol up, this was already crowd funded $1M for a simple pixel zelda clone and they can't stay in business?this smells like some guerilla marketing bs
>>727594828Ubisoft employs, like, half the continent though. Like the mario + Rabbids game were made in Ubisoft Italy. This is an indie studio. This is like Notch having expensive upkeep - It's one guy.
>>727591598They are typically greedy corporate scum and have no real talent. They can hide this easier if they barely let anyone play anything.
>>727591238Who cares, Pipistrello already delivered a better version of this game with GBA instead of GBC graphics
>>727594536The pro bono part is a huge reason why. They were coasting off the success of SK for over a decade while handing out more content for free. Eventually the SK well dried up and the Mina funds quickly disappeared as its director floundered about.
>>727591238More like Shovelware LOOOOOOOL
>>727591238same as telltale>make successful indie>think you are a tripleA studio>take on retarded expenses
>>727594840what did they plagiarize?
>violent feminist protagonist>furshitHope they lose everything
>>727595034Better games
It's normal for game studios to go into the red preparing a big project.
>>727595078specifically
>>727591494>mfw nearly 1.5million bucks, 20 employees and god knows how many years for a game with NES graphics>mfw shit like Serious Sam 3 was 500.000 with 15 employees in like 2-3 years
Those fuckers bought a yacht didn't theyThat was their goal all alongIt was in the name the whole time
>>727593368>Please please tell me it won't look like this when it's released.Ok I won't tell you
>>727595294ducktales
>>727595294MegumiManCattlevanyaJagie Chang
>>727591942The pixels are too big. That's it, the game is visually competent otherwise.
W-Wait, so the money I paid to support indie devs is... Gone?!That's it, I'm pirating indie games too now.
>>727595438Okay so, the Gameboy style works pretty well when it's on a tiny screenBut people are going to play this shit full screen and it looks like ass full screen
>>727591864>>727595438>1 million dollars for a GBC game
>>727595532Zoomers only played Gameboy games on emulators, these are the graphics they remember.
>>727591238Eh, fuck them. I wanted a true sequel to Shovel Knight, not that bullshit Dig game
>>727594553you bet it is.monster hunter walk n' talk just had it's director beg people to play it again
>>727594749>Scappobased
>>727594920yacht club hired something like 100 people in a yeareven notch never went past a handful of devs when he was running mojang
>>727594920YC has 30 people employed right now with no revenue coming in. They aren’t just some 5 man team.
>>727591238Post the BLM pledge
>>727595438>0s sexwtf not even 1 second?
>>727591238I hope they go broke.Never forget, never forgive.
>>727595771lmaofuck em
>>727591864>>727595438How many years until we can just ask AI to make a game and it's on par with this?
>>727591494>almost a million just for cheats and ng+What the....>a mill just to add some extra pixels for different weapon optionsMan, this is one hell of a joke.
>>727595532It probably needed to be at least twice the base resolution 480x270 instead of 240x135. Mina should have been at least a 32x32 sprite instead of 16x16
>>727594840I'm not a fan of "retro 3D" that's trending among indie games nowadays. Yes, you CAN make a visually appealing 3D game as an indie developer.
>>727593259>>727593352>company based in fucking California.Yacht Club are ex-Wayforward devs and Wayforward is based in California.
>>727591494Imagine receiving 1.2 million dollars to make a game and you mismanage your funds so poorly that you're begging people online to buy your game or your company will tankFuck em, they have had enough opportunity. They don't get any more. Cut em off.
>>727593061Imagine a fishing centric game. I would need a budget rivaling GTA 6
>>727595931If there's one area indie games should skimp on, it's graphics.
>>727596139Like Monster Hunter Tri.
>>727591238If there's enough porn of this character, they may survive.
>>727591238>200k copiesWow that's fucking nothing Even if the game was literally unplayable they would get that from furfags aloneThere was never any risk of shutting down, this is just a plublicity stunt
>smug-ass company name>goes under
>>727593407And then the sales dry up as they realize that they mad barely more money than to break even. Just breaking even isn't a good thing especially when you live in fucking California
>>727595954Key difference being that WF knew to set up shop just outside LA, but not inside it.
>>727596171You can do 2D games with beautiful art if you feel like your 3D is not up to stuff.
>In order to reduce its costs, Yacht Club is ditching its office to become a remote studioI was curious about the office they had and..Can anyone pitch in about how much a floor would cost in a building like this that's located in LA?
>>727595438>O's sex What did they mean by this?
>>727596248They’re most likely low balling the numbers like how they lowballed the budgets for SK and Mina. 200-300k makes it sound like they aren’t that bad off when in reality they probably need 600k to keep them from offing themselves in retardation while developing SK 3D Blast
>>727596009>we need 4 million dollars to break even after getting a million in kickstarter fundingwhat the FUCK were you doing? holy FUCKING shit i am so sick of being unemployed and worthless when absolute fucking scamcunts like this are happily living a middle class lifestyle in between their 12 hours a week of work, and they're biggest concern is that it might end when they reveal the game is nowhere worth the nearly seven figure price tag it's accrued.AAAAAAAAAFUCK
>>727596481for SK, they only had 5 employees.now they have 20.
>>727596563And they need 20 for a game that looks like Gameboy Zelda?
>>727596563And they still went way over budget for SK. There were similar articles around the time it launched about how YC was on the verge of sudoku before it launched.
>>7275964192 gorillion dollarydoosUnless you ask for a DEI handmedown
>>727596481Yeah 200-300k is probably how much they need to pay everyone for a year or two. Whereas Shovel Knight 3D is probably coming 2030 at soonest and they'll run a kickstarter where they'll ask for several times less than what they need to make it.
>>727596685I bet these assholes were living like kings the entire timeEnjoying the riches from the game before the game is made, that's what Kickstarter is all about in the end
>>727591238>raise the price of their games instead of having any real sales>sales plummet off a cliff and the games are forgotten about in the constant flood of new releasesShocker.
>>727596419in LA? around 5 thousand billions plus tip
>>727591864I think it looks fine, but there's too many mechanics honestly. >Heal this button, but you have to hit stuff first before you can do that so we can be like bloodeborne, but even bloodborne just gave you health when you strike back in time.>Here's a jump button, which also let's you dig, which let's you dodge, which also let's you far jump.>Here, make currency un-losable like Sekiro so that can always be on your mind too.Like Jesus, the only things I was thinking about in Zelda GBC is don't get hit, kill the thing, solve the puzzle.
>>727595927>twiceThat's quadruple, anon. Twice the height and twice the width.
Writing was on the wall in 2023.
funded in 2022 for 1.4mset to release in 2025..... oh it got delayed indefinitely
>>727596821More than 2 face buttons, start, select and the D-Pad?Because that's all you need in a Gameboy game, which this game clearly was inspired by.
this game is still not out? what the fuck
>>727595304serious sam devs are based in croatia, those guys are trying to live as LA hotshots.
>>727596985Well yeah, just from what I remember from the demo there's the jump/dig button, attack button, and heal button. I wanna say the sub weapon was hold up+attack but I could be wrong. I think the blue spark orbs had some kind of mechanic too but I can't even remember.
>>727591942Better?
>>727591864It's fine. What did you expect?
>>727596510
>>727597286better?
>>727591238how? what happened to all the money they made from shovel knight?
>>727597535NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN!
>>727593821the GB zeldas looked like complete garbage
>>727595881you probably could make it with AI at this point if you count putting together lots of individual AI made components. and while people who seethe about AI would seethe a lot, it would probably require a lot of work for it to not be total slop. then again, not being total slop would make it better than what they are asking to be kickstarted
>>727597286considerably
>>727597756This. It has a certain aesthetic quality you can appreciate because that's the best they could do, but nobody wants to play modern Gameboy games at that old resolution and not even Shovel Knight truly followed NES conventions because it had way better/more colors than the console could actually output.
>>727591238>make a hit game>10 years of nothing>run out of moneyWhats this business strategy called?
>>727591238QRD?How did this happen, didn't shovel knight sell a gazillion copies?
>>727591864>>727591942I would guess it has to do with improper use of contrast. Artists use contrast to draw the eye to specific things, or to ensure something doesn't blend in to the background. But this screenshot is absolutely littered with high-contrast details, both in value and color, and leaves you with nothing in particular to focus on. Basically what this anon >>727592489 was getting at:>the screen has way too much information for your eyesIt might be slightly less eye-cancer in black & white. Maybe they should have gone with a more limited color palette?
>>727591238It didn't look like this
>>7275914941.2Million and the need to sell copies! it should've been out and 80% profit with sales as extras.
>female protaguuhmm.... yeah i'm just not going to play it haha sorry not sorry haha
>>727597286A bit, but there's no getting around the issue of black outlines on non-straight surfaces clumping and causing awkward black holes in the overall image.>pixelcount too low>no transparency>everything looks super-imposed over the background
>>727598271Pretentious feminist virtue signaling.
>>727598430Gaylord
>>727598585the protag is Gaylord lord of the gays???
>>727591238>if the game is a hit there could be a sequelThis is an ad.
>>727594952
>>727591890I plan to. The demo was promising.
>>727598271DO nothingLose.
>>727598271>>727598358see >>727592408 and >>727596419
>>727592258Bloodstained either did fully or at least did like 90% of them. However (and tellingly) it took ages after release. I think stretch goals are often more troublesome than they're worth for a Dev team
>>727598781Good goy
>>727598271>>727598358lottery cursesuddenly having tons of money means you can buy tons of stuff (in this case, LA studio, high waves, more employees), but you don't actually have sufficient influx of money to sustain that lifestyle, inevitably leading to you running out of money
I am ready to bail the studio out with the millions I acquired for getting into Bitcoin early, however the company would have to agree to a third party audit of their finances and project management first.
>>727598931isn't the whole idea that you take shit you were going to do anyway and call it a "strech goal" to milk the punters for more money?
>>727591864hardware limitations are not an aesthetic choice
>>727599064I think in Bloodstained's case, because they got so much money, they put shit on there that seemed like good ideas at the timeThe coop they added was incredibly disappointing and felt like they did it more out of obligation than interest.
>>727592408So many indie devs fall for this meme, even the ones who aren't making much money.>see some amount of success>IMMEDIATELY decide that you're one of the big boys now and NEED a professional office>go and buy some expensive as fuck, "aesthetic" office in the most expensive area of the most expensive city in your country>pay out the ass to furnish the fuck out of it>you're now paying $20k+ a month for an office space you only use for 10 hours a week>you also lost some of your original devs who didn't want to move, and you refused remote work for some fucking reason>but hey, at least you got your 500 square foot office with an artificial koi pond
>>727591238The demo was pure shit.
>>727591494>>727591864Didn't these fucking niggers say the next step after shovel knight was something that resembles a nintendo 64 game because another 2d game would just be not that interesting since they delivered exactly what they wanted with shovel knight?Where the fuck is my Shovel Knight 64 you scumfuck tranny loving faggots?
>>727591238>multiple successful Kickstarters>merch>sold and resold the same game, its DLC, and minor updates across all platforms multiple fucking times>collabs and crossovers everywhere >"guys we're so broke please buy our new game"what the fuck
>>727591484I understand anon. I understand.
>>727601318hookers and chinese food ain't cheap
Zoomers hate the way this game looks because they never owned a GBCMeanwhile pipistrello looks like liquid shit and everyone loves it
I thought that they did merc work like Wayforward
>>727593821Link's Awakening fags have always been annoying retards
>>727601507>chinese food ain't cheapWHAT
>>727591864In a world where even Nintendo has a 1080p display, it looks abysmal.
>>727591360baaaaaased
>>727601318You'll pay for it anyway
I had a good time with the demo, pretty confused by the tepid response. Seems like a cool mix of GB zeldas and Castlevania with a bit of souls design
>>727598360Yeah, it's pretty obvious when you compare it with its inspiration
>aaa studios have 7 year dev cycles to push out the same game again but with less gameplay and more talking>indies now have 7 year dev cycles to push out the same game again but with less gameplay and more talking... in 2d
>>727591238>>727591494>>727591864I can't fathom how it came to this; a game that should have been a small scale side thing that your more dedicated fans who eat up le retro games would get to tied the company over. And it will be their downfall.How do you make one of the most well known indie platform games to the point said IP is appearing in other indie games and then throw it all away for...this?!Fucking.."$1million and I'll add a level"? Actually embarrassing.
>>727601507>chinese food ain't cheapIt's hella cheap lmao, better priced than a single burger
>>727601318Don't forget that they donated a gorillion dollars to BLM so Floyd-sama's famoly could afford a lifetime supply of banana mayonnaise sandwiches
>>727591238Game was legit garbage from Day 1. I knew that the moment Arian shilled it on game grumps (back when I watched that queer shit)
>>727598585
>>727602180>arianFucking spell check
>>727601950They realized that retards WILL back them up and WILL buy their shit, whatever happens
>>727602249lmao based autocorrect
>>727591238They are woke so they obviously went broke
maybe the gameboy aesthetics? even back in the day i hated gameboy and other handhelds because why would i pay the same money for inferior graphics and gameplay.
>>727591238Shovel Knight was never good. It was just HECKIN NOSTALGIA graphics.
>>727591238>NINTENDO-MAN, SAAAAAAAAAAAAAVVVVVVVVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
>milked Shovel Knight for 11 years>no other projects but Shovel Knight and Shovel Knight spinoffs>all they do is make games based off of ancient limitationsMismanagement and arrogance is the only explanation. A real fucking shame since Shovel Knight was one of the earliest examples of a good kickstarter project that actually finished.
>>727602032My mom eats these and swears by them. It sounds like the most vile fucking combination I can imagine.
>>727593648>It cuts both ways>devs in cheap areas also demand the same wagesOh yeah everyday I hear about how prospects just keep demanding higher salaries in this Global market.
>>727601824This looks better actually
>>727591238They should have made the game actually look like the artwork instead of "Gameboy Color retro nostalgia shit"
>>727591238What did they do with all the Shovel Knight money?
>>727601421Okay DSP.
>>727592552Women
>>727602823>and it's gone south park meme
>>727602823Spent it, over the course of ten years
I beat shovel knight twice and its completely unmemorable as a gameits short, its easy and has generic and boring pixel art. If you want to play shovel knight, just emulate a mega man gameThe only one who truly praised shovel knight are millenialsoys and tendies. Hollow Knight unironically completely destroyed shovel knight forever as people realized they can get a much bigger, longer and and more atmospheric game with better gameplay for the same price and nobody gave a fuck about shovel knight anymore after the popularity of hollow knight and silksong
>>727591238How? Shovelware Knight sold millions.
>>727592437This is the big reason, it doesn't matter if they had 19 employees with 6 figure salaries and an office suite in LA, that is sustainable if you are making and putting out games to create revenue. Turns out the last 10 years they've done fuck all and the revenue well that is Shovel Knight has dried up.
>>727591238next time dont fund nigger things and maybe you will have money to develop your 2d game
Do they honestly think they can move 200000 units of this shit when its a knockoff Gameboy Color game? Shovel Knight sold a few million units but thats been over many years and across a bajillion platforms, not to mention Shovel Knight the character appears in a lot of cameos to advertise the game. Ive never seen any kind of marketing for this shit and I only see people talking about how they want to fuck Mina, and furry gooners dont actually play the games their waifur is from especially when she looks like shit in game. And im glad to hear that some of their employees actually working on what was a better game got laid off, glad to see the money that went to nigger floyd's family and antifas burning down mom and pop shops was put to good use!
>>727601631Yacht Club was specifically formed to NOT do contract work like they did at WF because they didn’t like being shuffled around constantly. ironically enough, WF doesn’t seem to be doing as much contract work these days but somehow aren’t at death’s door like YC is
>>727591864Then you look at Isle of Reveries and it knows what it's doing trying to be The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Owls.
>>727603023Shovel Knight came out during an era where good indie games, especially ones that emulated the retro feel, were few and far between. Games like Cave Story were an exception, not the rule like it is nowadays. It is only unremarkable in hindsight.With that said, yeah I think it was kinda mid at best, but it stood out at the time.
Why do all these companies move to LA? Why not move to a cheaper state?
>>727595438>0 ssexplz no make fun of me
>>727591238>kikestarter shitI will happily pirate it
>>727603045The highest number we have is 2.5 million sales. Let's be generous and say it's 3 million and ignore discounts.3 million x $15 x 0.7 (to account for distribution fee). 31.5 million. Shovel knight released 11 and a half years ago, so that's $2.74 million operating revenue per year. Yacht club has always operated with at least 11 employees and often as much as 20. We'll say 15, so $182 thousand per year per employee. Sallaries, benefits, corporate taxes, office rent, advertisement, and software licensing could easily eat that up.
>>727603416>why do retards do retarded things
>>727591238Wokies go brokies
The way they milked SK I thought they were doing just fine
>>727603416That's where the people are. Yeah the Internet exists but people neglect there's still a bit of physical "infastructure" but it's mostly cronyism and networking that makes it so people have to be in proximity to actually get anywhere in the industry. Like it's dying but it's not dead enough that it doesn't provide a significant sometimes necessary boost to your companies.
>>727603240>Somehow finds a way to insert George Floyd into his assessment of Mina the Hollower's success potential
>>727592369I fucking hate every modern shit
>/v/ pretending Shovel Knight always suckedYou either only played it once when it came out or you never touched it and want to "fit in". Shovel Knight was always a shining star here and people wept when he was just an assist trophy in smash. This revisionist bullshit ain't flying today because we want to stroke our taint.
>>727603023They are completely different types of games, Hollow Knight is a metroidvania whereas Shovel Knight is a NES throwback action platformer. They are both successful at what they do. You niggers don't know games
>>727604045 the zoomers outnumber us now friend
>>727604045>people wept when he was just an assist trophy in smash.Rosterfags aren't people.
>>727604045they're all 13 and pretend to hate 8-bit games as a cultural signal
>>727591238Shouldn't have donated to THEM.you know what im talking about
>>727595771Lmao they sure wish they had that 20,000 now.
>>727594902the fact that this thread has been spammed all week on release week does lead me to think its a shill.
If they charge more than Hollow Knight they're dead. Also why the fuck was there a like starter if they're already an established company with inflow from old projects? It made sense for shovel Knight but now that's just greedy.
I don't get the hate campaign for this game, the demo seemed good
>>727595771That's basically $240kOh hell naw, they want that money back
>>727604045Literally one person said they found it a bit underwhelming you hysterical faggot
>>727604253>like starterKIKESTARTER
>>727604045Plague Knight's story being cute and King Knight's camping being solid aside it really isn't that special.Most of the novelty it had was from being a big indie game and one of the first few "retro inspired" games.
>>727604258It looks like ass and nobody likes a grifter.
>>727603220Well, they didn't really do nothing. They released the four DLCs for it... then resold it as a complete edition. Then made two crappy spinoffs. And then made an anniversary update that they're reselling as a "new" game. They're just mismanaging the fuck out of themselves.
>>727604258They might fail as a business. It's tortanic syndrome so now we hate them and the games we assume are shitty. If the game came out with no issues it would be rat porn threads instead but now it's not.
>>727591238
Why do all these game companies, no matter if they are triple a or indie seem to have a problem with pissing away money, no matter how much they make
>>727603892See>>727595771They are complaining about lack of funds and have donated to ape escapades. They are not financially responsible.Perhaps if they used their money more wisely by say not donating money to scammers and domestic terrorists, then perhaps the mouse game wouldn't need to sell as many copies as they currently need it to.>>727591494Honestly reasonable stretch goals since you don't want to scope creep to death like what happened to shovel knight and a ton of other projects like nightly no 9. Though they ended up taking like 10 years to make this anyway...
>>727604478Would. (Both)
>>727604358Ok, if it isn't special name a better NES era throwback platformer
>>727595881Pretty sure you can do sprites with Nano Banana Pro and NovelAI even, just the dreadful clean up and redrawing work you also have to do since there no LLM that can do aliased stuff.
>>727604435The rat porn threads will return upon release I really wish they just put it out on Halloween like they planned originally, but they were probably right to delay it given how crowded this holiday was
>>727604294You didn't read the thread. Fix your attention span.727593289727603375727603023727593352727602536
>>727591238>millions on salaries each year>can only produce a single pixelshit game in 10 yearsmoney laundering or incompetence call it
>>727604725If it's anything like Shovel Knight they probably have a roadmap planned
>>727603375I played shovel knight on release tho>>727604061I disagree. Shovel knight was just a very mediocre mega man game that was too easy and did not push the genre forward in any way. Hollow Knight and silksong are 3x longer and much bigger than the average metroidvania game while also adding multiple innovations and modern features to the genre. Hollow Knight and silksong feels like an actual modern day studio with a very large budget making a AAA metroidvania game despite it being made by a few aussies while you can find a million shovel knight games with the same quality on steam with just a few reviewsHollow Knight/Silksong modernized a genre that was gonna die if it didnt exist and has dozens and dozens of clones that nearly all failed to capture its quality and success while shovel knight is something that is generic and has a million games doing it better. It isnt even the first of its kind when many indies like super meat boy existed before and was a more original too
>>727599191 The guy who did all the stretch goals STRUGGLED to do so.He didn't even make real uv maps for half the characters towards the end of it all. 2 will be a lot better just because it has actual artists working on it
>>727604871What innovations did Hollow Knight introduce to the genre? Also, can you name some of these Shovel Knight likes of comparable quality?
>>727601824look how crisp this looks
>>727592672Already looks better, why the fuck is the actual game so fucked contrast wise?
>Caring about bing bing wahoo shitlol
>>727604871I like Hollow Knight a lot but I have trouble seeing it as anything more than an extremely high quality celebration of it's genre, same as Shovel Knight. That's not being reductive that's just seeing it for what it is. I don't think it really did anything that disruptive
>>727604045Ok mr. BornAfter2000
>>727604725it's pure incompetence, they only just realized that they never needed an LA office and are moving to remote work
how the fuck is that even possible?
>>727603349Why are the GBC Zelda clones all furry shit?
They better price this shit at under $24.99Too many indie publishers are basing their prices off of Big Hit Releases and no every piece of shit that should of been free on newgrounds is $14.99
>>727604871>silksong>innovationsIt's a 2d metroidvania with platforming. The only innovation is that it costs $20.
>>727605550More like under $15
>>727591713This. All that goodwill gone in a puff of smoke. One minute you're worth $20-30mil, the next you're flipping burgers for papa Ronald.
>>727605592Anon $14.99 is still too much but I want to be realisticI bought shovel knight on 3DS one time for $4.99I got dlc free for lifeAs much of an amazing fucking thing that was they are NEVER doing that shit again
>>727591864jesus
>>727605296If anything Hollow Knight took a lot from Dark Souls which the devs claim they never even heard of. I thought it was a good combination of DS and metroidvania with a tighter gameploy loop than Silksong. A celebration is a good way to put it. No idea why people have to run to the innovation argument. Games just need to be good with something occasionally innovating something.
If you post about pol outside of pol you should be required to perform a Hand Post With Dated Time Stamp I just want to see that board melt down like it did when they found out the vast majority of its posters were out of the closet chasers
>>727594952Steam tags say it's exploration. Is it open world or linear? Looks like it's a metroidvania from the map layout.
>>727605749Or the 4chan leak that showed Israel contributed the most posts.
>>727604871>Hollow Knight/Silksong modernized a genreHollow baby spotted...You've never played any metroidvania lmao.Silksong brought even less than HK.
>>727605807Or the twitter leak the confirmed the same
>>727605448Because only weirdos like GBC aesthetics. Normal people prefer everything else, like NES, Amiga, SNES, Playstation etc. when it comes to pixels.
>>727591238She needs mouth to mouse resuscitation
>>727594217>a garbage
>>727593824What did they mean by this?
>>727604871Holy ZOOMIE. Please kill yourself
And Alonzo Mourning... I almost forgot about him.
>>727591238Shovel Knight was always basic, and just happened to come out at the right time before people realized “indies” are bigger companies than Capcom was in the 90’s. The team was never particularly talented, and their own success misguided them and prevented them from growing
>>727606418And Rick Fox.
>>727605807>the 4chan leakstop propagating the shitposts
>>727606418>>727606504>Basketball playersQRD?
>>727591864>>727591942It's the ugly chibi sprites. Shovel Knight uses roughly the same amount of colors/palette, but the much more detailed sprites make it a lot more palatable.
>>727591942Game Boy Color graphics that were designed for a tiny square screen don't work for full-resolution widescreen games. It's just more of the same cargo-cult "retro" shit from indie devs who don't actually understand the old games they copy.
>>727606670Sorry, to prove we're sorry we will donate to Israel.Glory to Israel.
I love how the time honored tradition of posting about hollow knight anywhere but in a thread dedicated to it is still carried on by idiots and faggots everywhere
>>727606821here is the real one
>>727593591Not a 2D platformer.
>>727606351...Are you surprised that they did not render the slit? This isn't a yiff game, Anon.
>>727605448Here’s your vintage, not furry game anon
>>727605550I'm never buying this shit for 25 euros
>>727607251>>727603349why are these 2 more pleasing to the eyes than >>727591864
>>727607423Because they know what they are doing with the colour palette. This rat game looks like it's a cheap Chinese knock-off from the GBC area... or like all the characters are taking damage and blinking in weird colours or something. Also the rat is too square, considering she's supposed to be a rat (mouse?)
>>727591864here is the game without the distracting background.
>>727594840>Do nothing for like 10 years>>727598271>10 years of nothing>>727602606>no other projects but Shovel Knight and Shovel Knight spinoffs>>727603220>Turns out the last 10 years they've done fuck all>>727604725>can only produce a single pixelshit game in 10 yearsEveryone forgot about Cyber Shadow. YCG may have published it, but still.
>>727607784only published by them and it flopped
>>727594198>wearing a green hatJunior, I…
>>727595736I'm sure BLM will have their back and buy this new game in droves.
>>727605072it had to be, the gameboy display was incredibly bad
>>727607708Looks better lmao
>>727607251Why don’t the other clones have this palette shtick? Surely they owned a copy of the Super Game Boy as well.
>>727607708>lava level music starts playing
>3+ years for a GB Zelda clone>About to go under where they need an estimated 2,000,000 USD in sales to break even to surviveBut why? Treasure Trove made 12+ million from steam alone
>>727608407Love me some embezzlement
>>727592408that amount of cost doesn't sound so bad as long as they release a new game every 5 or so years.
>>727591864how do you spend a million dollars on a game that looks like it was made by one guy in his free time over a weekend
>>727608407That should keep the lights on for a year
the DLC expansions for shovel knight were better than the main game.
>>727604478>right's nose looks like its mouth with 1 toothcan't unsee
>>727591238>Decade of work>Not touching it because the protagonist is unappealing
>>727608507until you whiff a release and go under
>>727608535At that point isn't it already over, since they are incapable of making a game in that short time period?
>>727608507anon, they haven't even released a game in 10 years.
>>727607708Amazingly, this looks even worse.
>>727608652they will probably lay off a lot of their staff, they are also moving out of their LA office.
So why didn't they make a 3d Shovel Knight instead?
>>727608521half of a game's costs are usually marketing so its 500kto put it in perspective, the shit games that top the mobile charts today like the supercell games have about 100 millon usd production costs YEARLY
>>727608747they already kickstarted this and it's a simpler project
I'm absolutely the kind of person who Shovel Knight, and even I can see how this was a long way away coming
blm devs
>>727608776>half of a game's costs are usually marketing so its 500kYacht Club should help defund the Kiketubers instead of the police. 40 minutes of jobbing in a video game should never cost $3000.
>>727608747They said they had it and canned it's development
>>727591238200K seems like an easy goal to meet for such a COOMER game
as a BIG shovel knight myself, I totally get this
>>727608871I know.. but mouse pussi....
The game won't flop, but will they have to resort to kickstarter for every single game moving forward?Clearly they fucked up somewhere.
>>727609017There's better rodent pvss out there
>>727609046they turned to commissioning outside companies to make games with the IP, and none of those spinoffs did better than 100k copies across all platforms. apparently one of the two major spinoff releases they made over the past 6 years only sold 15k copies.
A game like Mina or Shovel Knight shouldn't have cost more than $5 million to develop and market.They could've easily made a profit if they just sold half a million copies.How the hell could they be going insolvent?Were they just absorbing paychecks and doing jack shit all day?
>>727596419Honestly, knowing they have single room and toilet 30m2 flats for over 2k 15 years ago, I'd guess this is probably over 15 million a year or even more.At the fucking least it's 10 million for sure.
>>727609227poor managementSoCal living costs, libshit devs
>>727609205Assuming that's Puzzle Dungeon that checks out, it's not great.
>>727609046>The game won't flopWhy did they delay it indefinitely three weeks before the original launch date? That was after they (temporarily) made a demo available to the public, clearly no one liked it.
>>727591238shouldn't of used AI
>>727609046>but will they have to resort to kickstarter for every single game moving forward?Resort to? That's their first choice. It's free money.
>>727609356It also did not have a lot of players either. I think it topped out just short of 900.
>>727591494Pretty sure they blow that money on hookers, fucking 8-bit ass games lol. Won't care if they go under fucking grifters.
>>727609227well the story they told the media for sympathy is:they split the 20 man dev team in 2one worked on shovel knight 3dthe other on minathis didn't work out at all.they are also located in LA in a rented LA office that looks like this >>727596419
>>727609343even SolCal living costs them being libshits doesn't explain it.plenty of poor fuckers and libshits live in SoCal, and yet they still get by enough to keep the lights on.
>>727609431>shouldn't of
>>727609586money flies easy when you feel successful
>>727608898The last time they had a video on the projects they were working on earlier this year it was shown and stated to still be in development I believe. Unless this is very recent info.
>>727609586think of it like this.20 employees, 120k a year salary for each.that is over 2m a year spent.game was crowdfunded 3 years ago and it's been delayed indefinitely.
>>727591864The issue is that they are using Portable game graphics in a Fullscrean game.This game would look great on the 3DS switch or steam-deck or a laptop maybe.The game look like what Game Boy color games look when emulated full screen whit no filters.
>>727609848now change the aspect ratio to fit the screen
>>727609586>doesn't explain it.what's to explain, spending too much is the easiest thing
>>727609848I really hope they offer an in-game option to scale down the screen size while in fullscreen, just add a thick ass border or something so it shrinks the graphics down to an appropriate sizeThe Gameboy graphic style was made for tiny screens, and you know everyone is gonna be playing this shit full screen by default
>>727609818lmao, indie newb devs don't get paid 120k a year straight up like that.even CS grads don't get paid that much.also, should've given them profit sharing like any startup, if they're confident that is.
>>727591864looks fine
>>727602320>retards WILL back them up and WILL buy their shit, whatever happensI will.
>>727607863>source steamdb$10 low price$20 high price38000 low sales93000 high sales$10 @ 38000 380000$20 * 38000 760000$10 @ 93000 $930000$20 @ 93000 $1860000380000 lowest possible amount generated1860000 highest possible amount generated380000 - 1860000 steam sales before steam cut, yacht club publishing cut, and before taxessteam cut: -30% 266,000 - 1,302,000yacht club publishing cut: -30% 186,200 - 911,400USA government cut(tax): -30% 130,340 - 637,980$ generated through Steam $130k - $640k>flopidk senpai
>>727610132they are getting paid the LA salary.even entry level there starts at 80k~.it's a shit city where you HAVE to make that much to afford rent
>>727610239>>source steamdbSo no source
>>727592695Scope creep is a big thing with indie devs, and Jonny boy is no different. Dude just had to spend millions on his own language, engine and game.
>>727610470better than nothing :>what's your source for>flop?
>>727607423because the color palette is completely fucked up in that one, it's your typical indie bullshit: try to emulator an art style but without its restrictions>>727591864Who even wants to play this shit in 4k? What's even the point of this small screen?
>>727607251>only sold 2 copiesHello dev
>>727594952I don't want to play it because of the protagonist's design
>>727591494lmao im sure the linux/mac version was very appealing to a lot of people, what a sad fucking roadmap
>>727604572Megaman 9 and 10
>>727595771thanks, you saved me some money
>>727591238How is this different from any other non-major studio?
>>727594952game looks clean, but the chara is tr@nii-coded
>>727595771
>In some other, alternative universe, there's no such shit like Kikestarter or Patreon
batboy dabs on shovel knight so fucking hard lmao
>>727591238they spent all their money on putting Shovel Knight into other gameshttps://shovelknight.fandom.com/wiki/Appearances_in_Other_Media
>>727611219Shovel Knight's campaign? Sure. I prefer Plague, Spectre and King Knight campaigns over Batboy.
>>727591238One of many>just draw the mc in (lewd) fanartType of game.
>>727611290He's in more possible than listed Idle Slayer is not on there and he is in it.
>Has the rat at Bloomberg write a whole article on them being against the ropes financially>Shill it on /v and social media all weekYou sheep were gullible enough to donate to the Sea of Stars charity guy too, weren't you?
>>727611528>shill on /v/>all the posts are making fun of them
>>727591864Is this using the actual gbc palette?
>>727611528I pirate all my games.
>>727611589All the posts? There's plenty of Indians here defending the cost of living California.
>>727611589>>all the postsAgain with over exaggeration
>>727591494>stretch goals>small mousedrawfags...
>>727594952This game was better than i thought it would be. I also decided to go back after beating the game and collecting every battery in the game to stash in the safe room. No real reason but was a fun side challenge for myself, getting some of those batteries back even with the cheat badges was actually difficult.
>>727591494she should look like this the whole game, not the GameBoy shite
>>727591942low fidelity
>>727603892>>SomehowNo, not somehow but you'd have to have more than 5IQ to connect the dots, tardlet.
>>727591238>200k copiesYeah, its probably over.
>>727611891What other indie games have sold 200k+ copies recently?Besides Silk Song anyway but I really doubt this is going to be a silk song game.
>>727611815squeak-greed.
>>727612497For an average indie even 50k would be a success. Even 10k is a pipe dream for some.
>>727604045That's just the usual 4chan cycle of>Wow, I love this game!>Game gets popular>Ugh, I hate this game.
>>727610872My pleasure. It's why I do it.
>>727612748average indie don't have 20 employees
>>727612837The game in question was generic shit. But go ahead, keep embarrassing yourself.
>>727591238you can't take 10 years to develop a game boy color ass looking game, that's what went wrong.
>>727612998Case in point
>>727612980Sure, and they also don't have the capital to make a bigger marketing push, so an average indie relies on word of mouth more than anything, which can affect sales performance.
>>727591238>BLM tranniesfuck em
>>72759758610 years of california rent
>>727593878so play it on a small screen?
I can't buy it on switch. Preorder is not up.
maybe they shouldn't be selling their pixelshit 2D platformer for 40 bucks then, also >>727613105 if you spend a decade jacking off you'll eventually run out of money
>>727611664yeah
>>727598360>>727601824I'll be honest, I can't fucking look at the bottom one, it's too bright for my eyes.I don't mind the darker on, it's less heavy on my boomer sight.
>>727613156Do you have some sort of humiliation fetish?
>>727595931>Requires a 4090 to run at 1080p 30fps with DLSS
>>727591494Holy shit this is GRIMWhere the fuck did all the Shovel Knight money go? A smash indie hit made for the cost of two ham sandwiches, with what, three sequels? Each of which was basically a must-purchase for fans? WHERE THE FUCK DID ALL THE SHOVEL KNIGHT MONEY GO???
>>727613882Hookers and blow.
>>727613882>>727613956also to BLM and ACAB, also anitfa donations
>>727601638Kill yourself, aLttP drone
>>727604871>Hollow Knight saved a genre that was constantly getting new entriesHoly zoomzoom
>>727613882>THE FUCK DID ALL THE SHOVEL KNIGHT MONEY GO???look at the steam page of the devs, they made a bunch of spinoff shovel knight games that nobody had asked for
shovel knight was fotm cringe and nothing of value will be lost
>>727614446I don't think you know what fotm means. I think you think it's a generic meaningless insult that means "bad".
>>727593372Team Cherry had a much more successful game, and hired one (1) more developer for Silksong
>>727614356Surely you don't mean the boss sequels? I played all of those and so did a lot of other people. Did they make other spinoffs?
Are these the guys who spent some of the fan donations on BLM?
>>727591864It looks fine to me
>>727614608ye
>>727614356Those were part of the plan from the beginning and arguably the best part of the whole thing.
>>727614607I’m assuming he means Dig and Pocket Dungeon, which, no, they didn’t develop directly.
>>727591864THIS is what costs 1.4 million dollars? How much are they paying the artists?
>>727611891Especially considering how many copies they have to give to the kickstarter backers, so that's 200k over the people that were already interested enough to already pay for it.
>>727591864Why in the flying fuck would you make a cute mouse girl as your protag but then have the game look like this?
>>727604045It just sucks and isn't fun bro you don't have to take it so personally
>>727596419That shit is by the beach next to Beverly Hills and Hollywood. This isn't just Los Angeles. It's the shit in Los Angeles that make the people there go, "FUCK, that's expensive".
This is what I call going "Hollywood">Lose sight of what made you successful in the first place>Rest on your past glory>Spend money like there is no tomorrow>Assume your next move is gonna be as big if not bigger than the previous oneOnce you lose that fire inside you it's already over
>>727615391It's a vidya dev not a film studio, retard
>>727614608Not JUST BLM.>>727595771>Los Angeles Action Bail Fund.This isn't bail for basketball americans. This is bail and lawyers for rioters and antifa who got arrested burning shit down at BLM protests. >National Bail NetworkThese guys let people with long criminal histories out on bail when their own familes wouldn't support them...and resulted in several murders.And note that the protests were SUCCESSFUL. They got Los Angless to go to a NO bail system.
>>727615563The same points still apply
>>727615563They moved to hollywood anon. Well, you have to cross through beverly hills to get to hollywood from their studio, but it's 10 miles from hollywood.
>>727591238buy an ad
>>727615674>Moving to an expensive city for no good reasonWhy does anyone in America who gets a taste of success immediately do this?Even a mismanaged studio like Ubisoft didn't move their studios away from cheaper cities as they grew larger
>>727616058For the hustle and bustle
>>727616058Well USUALLY the theory is that the big cities have lots of potential hires for dev positions but I dunno if that was a consideration for YCG
>>72759149410k of that money had already been spent on some Ranjid spamming these threads to advertise the kickstarter campaign
>>727613669Recommended system requirement is GeForce GTX 770 (3GB) or Radeon R9 285.
This is data from the Steam only. I wonder how successful SK was on consoles?
>>727591238Holy mismanagement. What the FUCK did they do with their money?I'm buying Mina's game. Not to help the studio (they clearly need to get their teeth kicked in and stop making retarded mistakes with their budget, like wasting thousands of dollars virtue signalling to race hustlers) but because I like it.That said, if it bombs and the studio goes under they'll deserve it.
>>727615319>That shit is by the beach next to Beverly Hills and Hollywoodwhats wrong with these peoplethey will do this to themselves and then cry about not having money?
>>727601950>How [...]Arrogance. One of the biggest traps of success.
>>727616415I like the comparison of Treasure Trove and all the separate campaignsShows that most people just buy it years later all together
>>727616058Well Ubisoft is a special case because they specifically built their studios where they did for government kickbacks.
>>727610604Rek'd
>>727616415>Mina the Hollower has to sell several times the latest Shovel Knight game (Dig) for YCG not to shut down
>>727616449>>727616418They chose Santa Monica. Shows up in Bloodlines, with the merry go round. Shows up in Sega Harley davidson. They didn't just pick the beach in Los angeles. They picked the part with a goddam amusment park.https://conferences.ucla.edu/discover-santa-monica/
>>727616418Pirate it you fucking donkeyDon't give those retards your moneyWhat's wrong with you
>>727591942eyes are constantly drawn everywhere because bright saturated colours are used for backgrounds, enemies, borders, everything
>>727596419the zoomed in version almost looks like YAOI CLUB GAMES
>>727617174Honestly if they pivoted to that they'd probably make more money
>>727593591What these companies never tell you is they have investor agreements outside their crowd funding. So likely>Equity share>Marketing costs>TaxesAll ate thru Shovel Knight's profits. If /v/ has heard of a game, it's because it's being shilled by a multimillion dollar marketing campaign.
Well, I can't buy the game if they don't release it. When is it coming out again?
>>727616514Nobody waited for Treasure Trove because everyone already had Treasure Trove when they bought Shovel Knight in 2014.
>>727613384It's only bright because it's an emulator, on a GB screen it's much darker since no backlight
>>727591864>>727592672>>727601824oh yeah there's too much texture on every tile so you can't see what's an object and what's just the play area
>>727617281Not true, I play plenty of indie games that aren't FOTMReplace "heard of a game" with "can make a thread that doesn't die after 3 posts"
>>727606016>Normal people>playing old games
>>727617594Anon, people still play Skyrim in 2025
>>727617431>Replace "heard of a game" with "can make a thread that doesn't die after 3 posts"Those threads slide specifically because they don't have marketing behind them. Shovel Knight absolutely did.
>>727617662Modded Skyrim. With giant tits. And blackjack.
>>727617298>When is it coming out again?delayed indefinitely
>>727617730Sounds like gross incompetence. What the hell?
>>727617685Don't be silly, you're basically saying every thread that goes the distance (like this one) is paid forI'm saying that there will be a few people who have heard of that obscure indie game but not enough to discuss it without the thread dying, whereas the heavily marketed ones have enough people hearing of it to discuss it
>>727616418Seconding what the other anon said. Not only they had Shovel Knight (and its spin-off) money but they also had Kickstarter money for this game. Why would you want to give people that can't handle money MORE money???
>>727617809>Don't be silly, you're basically saying every thread that goes the distance (like this one) is paid forI'm saying if you heard of a game on any social media source it's being shilled. Don't move the goalposts.
>>727617768it was supposed to release in october I think, but now it just says "to be announced"
>>727617851Goalposts of what? Were we having an argument with defined sides?I'm simply saying "/v/ has heard of the game" is too general. But since you're being combatative for no reason, I'll bow out. Seeya fagster
>>727617853Yeah. The Nintendo eShop said 2030. Which is why I got confused. Was going to preorder it, given I liked shovel knight. And it sounded like the devs might need it. But not able to buy means they are worse off then expected
>>727591238Growth too big and spend too much money on the process. They should have followed the Concerned Ape approach.
Practically any studio is one big failure away from doom. Studios that employ 20 people, studios that employ 2000, are one big oopsy daisy away from the axe. If GTA VI sold 3 million copies, for example, that would be insanely dire news for Rockstar and Take Two. In the case of Yacht Club--they were kind of fucked from the beginning because they made the insanely unfortunate mistake of overscoping Shovel Knight 3-4x behind backer goals. But luckily it was a big huge hit anyway and they were able to repackage it a few times and do some smaller spinoffs. Yacht Club just stated something publicly that is true of the majority of studios. Anyway I think Mina the Hollower looks really good and it will probably sell really well. Hard to imagine it being as successful as Shovel Knight but Shovel Knight was a big giant successful indie game 11 years ago, which isn't exactly the dawn of small games, but certainly was a time when indies commanded a lot less attention in general. The market is a lot more crowded now. More money to make and a bigger audience, but that pie is split a lot of different ways now.
>>727617129Jesus fucking Christ.>>727617139I won't because the game doesn't deserve to fail or be hated because the developer studio is run by mongoloids. But like I said: if they die, they die. I won't shed a tear for them or any studio that goes under after falling for the "celebrity AAA lifestyle" psyop.
>>727618220This is true for all corporations, regardless of industry. They aren't in the business of building up enough cash reserves that they can keep paying their employees for 10 years or whatever. If a huge project fails to make money, it's time to downsize
>>727618220>>727618465big studios have IPs and assets they can liquidate.these guys just have shovel knight. even their office is just leased.
>>727591864Eww, no
>>727617768It is.
>>727617129Jesus fucking Christ.>>727617139I won't because the game doesn't deserve to fail or be hated because the developer studio is run by mongoloids. But like I said: if they die, they die. I won't shed a tear for them or any studio that goes under after falling for the "celebrity AAA lifestyle" psyop. Always live within your means.
>>727592258Shovel Knight did, didn't it? And with so much less money too. It's so fucking obvious something happened at Yatch Club. Either they really are dumbasses that spend all their money on LA hookers and drugs, or they're just terrible at managing themselves.Other than that one, Yooka-Layle did alright with their stretch goals. Don't really keep up with kickstarter games, but there's a bunch that were succesful.
>>727591238Make the game hmofa and their money problems will be over
>>727619008>they really are dumbasses that spend all their money on LA hookers and drugs, or they're just terrible at managing themselves.why not both?reading this thread tells me they bought office space in one of the most expensive areas in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
>>727618870IS THAT A NIPPLE
>>727619286MR ADVERTISER GET DOWN!
>>727596419>Small indie game dev renting the same building as large investment bankersThe instant success really went to their heads, huh?
>>727618220>Anyway I think Mina the Hollower looks really good and it will probably sell really well. There is a correlation between how good a game is and how well it sells, but it's really not as strong as you'd thinkMina could be a 10/10 game for its genre and still sell way less than a disappointing game with a big IP, strong marketing or that just got lucky with social media
>>727619536I think it looks fun. But not bangers amount of money fun. Maybe half or a forth of shovel knights success
>>727604045the biggest reason is because of the donation.mina is likely to flop because nobody outside of this board even knows this game existsfags are just priming themselves up to dance on this studio's grave
>>727617837>Why would you want to give people that can't handle money MORE money???Because I like the game and KNOW it will perform poorly, or at the very least won't EVER make them enough money for them to keep their unsubstainable lifestyle: A lot of people disliked the demo (to the point they had to DELAY the full release), and the game's premise and specially its visual presentation don't have nearly as much APPEAL as Shovel Knight, so there's ZERO chances it'll be a big hit. Its features make it a very niche title so its bound to obtain at best a moderate success and a cult following, but nothing more.I'd PREFER if they didn't outright die but instead SURVIVE after getting a harsh dose of reality and pain. I won't push them to the abyss but I won't lament if they fall in it.
>>727618231>>727618870So I just checked the real estate listing. That building claims to have an ocean view.For reference, it's 4x the cost of office space in an office in downtown tokyo, and slightly below the price of an office in Manhattan that's within walking distance of Central Park.
>>727619681Shovel Knight is big enough that we would have tracked it anyways.
>>727619880its actually that close to beverly hills and hollywood??what thefuck were they expecting?
>>727619880What's the last known price?
>>727619868>Dumb furfag shills for freeNothing new. Keep funding more shovelware, trash
>>727591238Cave Story and Kero Blaster absolutely mogs yacht club games
>>727617281you anons are such gullible fools. This whole thing about them having to do all this and having BLOOMBURG report on an indie dev studio's supposed financial crisis is all intentional publicity.
Mina sisters.. no.. It's Hollo-ver
>>727620295>shovelware
>>727591494This is still a link's Awakening style top down adventure game right? GBC color palette and all?Why would they need that much more money for a game that probably isn't much bigger in scale?
>>727619954They were thinking, right in the westside's little japantown, so weeb shit and sushi every day. 10 miles to the Pier, 15 or so to the malibu party houses. 10 miles to the Getty Museum. 5 miles to Beverly Hills. 10 miles to West Hollywood. 15 miles to hollywood proper clubs. Freeway adjacent. Ocean view. They had millions and fucking made it.>>727620417
>>727620295Go play AAA slop nigger.
>>727620783They split the teams, had the main one work on a 3d game, that isn't close to ready. This one was run by an incompetent, but it's close enough to get out the door. They're out of money.
>>727591864Its a grossly overllbudgeted game. The game itself looks good for what it set out to do.
>>727619868>instead SURVIVE after getting a harsh dose of reality and painAnd then go on to grow stronger and release their best game yet? Feels like this hasn't happened to any video game studio in the last 2 decades
>>727620417The fact (((bloomberg))) is reporting on it just means they have globo investors pumping them from the start. It's a hedge on their own bet. When you invite these psychos to invest in you, they play both sides to squeeze every nickel.
>>727619503meanwhile team cherry stayed in the same shitty office they had for years and didn't even bother to change the green paint/wallpaper according to one article, they just kept working on their game and kept the team lean, really makes you think!
>>727620347Shame about the whole NICALIS absorbing Cave Story thing though.
