>Path of Exile 2What went wrong? I've never seen an ARPG flop as hard as this game. Diablo 4 was a disappointment but its still very popular overall. Any time I see people mention PoE, they're still playing PoE 1. How and why did PoE 2 flop so badly? Can it be fixed at this point? How would YOU fix it?
They had a great start and entry for players and then shit the bed hard when they couldn't deal with performance issues. Literally, the console version is STILL unplayable, and everything past the werewolf sword boss is boring as shit.
>get people overly hyped>its an unfinished mess
>>727707231>What went wrong?Nothing so far. I've been enjoying it.The biggest issue is lack of build diversity which is to be expected from a game in its beta stage.
>>727707231>How would YOU fix it?i'd hide this thread and never even care to know such a miserable pile of shit was ever crapped into the toilet and flushed away just like I do many many other games posted here when you listen to your own farts don't expect anyone to laugh when you view bot and pay people to review a game and listen to what they have to say you deserve to wallow in this mire of ignorance and filth.
>>727707231>Diablo 4 was a disappointment but its still very popular overall.lol
>>727707231It shows that the people who left were the ones who were in favour of fun.The remainders of GGG are the balance first fags, combine this with their odd obsession with combo skills and you get PoE 2. And somehow they managed to fuck up the item progression as well, something that took them years and years to polish in PoE 1, and they decide fuck it, throw out everything, we are creating new problems!
>>727707594I mean, he isn't wrong. Plenty of people still seem to be playing it, and there is a constant stream of D4 videos being put out, which shows at least some level of popularity. It clearly did not take off as hard as blizz wanted.
>>727707231POE 2 is still in early access. Relax.
>>727707829They specifically mentioned they plan on fully launching in 2026. Meanwhile the game is still clunky as fuck, half the weapons/classes aren't even out, performance is awful, balance is even worse, and only a couple ascendancies are actually fun with the rest being left out to dry. It is nowhere near ready.
>>727707231it never flopped, people just stop playing when a league is old, waiting for the next
>>727707231>but its still very popular overalllol D4 had terrible legs
>>727707829>charging money for the game>ingame mtx storeBS, the game is out, and any deflection of>its a beta>its early accessis moot. The game is being sold. Gtfo.
People need to stop replying to disingenuous ragebait threads like this and making such low effort word vomit should be a bannable offenseOP is most definitely sub 80IQ drooling retard who drinks paint thinners and sticks permanent markers up his nostrils>Diablo 4 was a disappointment but its still very popular overallThis sentence merely sealed the deal>version 0.3 early access flop flop flop how why flop flop flop
>>727707231If their goal was to differentiate it from PoE1 and capture a new audience then it shouldn't have been a top-down click to move game. It's way too similar to the first game, old fans are confused about the new direction and new players don't really want top-down shit. They should have made a third person soulslike or a first person game instead.
>Make ARPG with most fun gameplay in the history of the genre>Make your own core audience seethe because your core audience is dopamine-fried faggots who truly and genuinely despise the concept of gameplay and just want money dopamine hits>People who aren't POE1 tradies adore POE2 for have super fun gameplay with amazing presentation, just needs the rest of the classes and more endgame mechanics>Capitulate to the POE1 tradies pissing their pants and bawling and start enshittifying POE2 with faster gameplay, more QOL, and an overhaul to make the endgame system horrible (so it's more like POE1's busywork endgame)>Middle finger to everyone who loved POE2 for what it was and just wanted more content for it>POE1 tradies cheer for GGG listening to their complaints, then proceed to not log into 2 anyways because it's not POE1 If GGG had any balls or brains they would have put their foot down when the Champion of the Tradeniggers Zizaran cried in an interview that Regal Orbs were too rare when he refused to disenchant gear and instead sold it for pittances of gold to gamble instead. They should have told him, and the rest of the tradeniggers, to pound sand and just wait 4 months for POE1 leaguesabsolute guarantee that eventually they'd shut the fuck up and just start liking POE2 for what it is (a better POE)
>>72770833>Anyone who disagrees with me is trolling
>>727707231>hyped the shit out of it>release it to the public eye with 1/10th of the intended content>not balanced for melee builds at all>take too long to make any progress on new content despite having millions in funds
>>727708031Keep coping.
>>727707231its better than 1 since 1 is one of the worst videogames ever madethat said it still has problems (all inherited from 1)
>>727708452I agree mostly but lets not pretend the endgame system isn't total dogshit that should have been totally scrapped not just reworkedIdeally the whole seperate mapping thing wouldn't exist and maps/campaign would be intertwined together so that when the campaign is done it isn't just totally abandoned like poe1. poe campaign and poe endgame are basically two different games and they end up having to make content catered to the latter,
>>727708749Either your too stupid to read charts or completely disingenuous piece of shitCome back in a week once the 0.4 update is up then try again with your lies and deceit
I realize PoEniggers are mazed retards who hate Diablo as a fundamental part of their being, but taking it so far as to refuse to admit D4 is popular is some next level delusion. Especially since the only argument is the player base shrunk, which is comical coming from PoE where every league is completely dead a month in.
they've been trying to wrench POE2 in to POE1 so hard that by 1.0 comes out they might as well have just made POE2 a graphical overhaul for POE1 like it was pitched as to begin with. because, lets be real, poe1 looks like muddy shit.
>>727709016>Let's not pretend the endgame system isn't total dogshitIt wasn't. What was total dogshit was the features that incentivized you to "explore" the Atlas, like the Citadels. "Exploring" the Atlas to expand its borders consists of spamming white maps with no mechanics or rewards, it's fucking boring. You can fix that without fucking up the endgame. Towers after the fix were just fine, and I loved bosses being a special thing, same with league mechanics being known in advance.They changed this to a facsimile of 1's endgame to appease tradeniggers. Now, instead of tablets being something you interact with just for towers, they're functionally scarabs that you will have to roll and manage for all of your maps for eternity.HoweverSome redditor came up with a cool idea for a new endgame that consisted of mini-campaigns formed of a string of maps. You only juice them once with tablets at the start, and only the last map has a boss. It was like a standalone version of POE1 Memory Tears as the core endgame mapping experience and I thought that looked really fun.
caster druid looks fun, I was a bit worried they'd focus too much on the transformation stuff but going full caster seems viable, which is nice because my favorite class in any PoE-like was Wind Druid in Diablo 2
>>727707231it's a fine gameit's a diablo-like so still a pretty niche genre but it's doing its own thing
I prefer it over PoE 1. I'm looking forward to the Druid class and reworked incursion. PoE 1 has become infested with crybaby Redditors and Diablow 4 refugees. It's a solved game. All these pussies playing softcore and trade leagues who have everything boiled down to a spreadsheet. At least there are new things to learn and discover in PoE 2.
>>727709140Calling something "popular" is just a soft way of saying "it's shit, but some people still like it", huh?
>>727709140It's so popular that they're selling it for 5 bucks on their store
>>727707231>Diablo 4 was a disappointment but its still very popular overallSource: my ass
>>727709368>Some redditor came up with a cool idea for a new endgame that consisted of mini-campaigns formed of a string of maps. You only juice them once with tablets at the start, and only the last map has a boss. It was like a standalone version of POE1 Memory Tears as the core endgame mapping experience and I thought that looked really fun.If GGG had any balls they would scrap the shitty atlas altogether and just do something like this. Sorry but 2's atlas will always be dogshit, nobody wants a procgenned map of infinite nothing with no landmarks that just becomes a total mess the more you play. its unfixable. The 'interlude acts' are a way better method, just itemize them similar to how maps work, and then just rework the campaign to integrate it's content into that system so you can run any campaign act you want + additional acts they can release as updates to the game juicing them all as you please. You can even keep the stupid tree. Since theyve capitulated so much to poe1niggers already I know they don't have the balls though.
did they give estimate when will it go 1.0 ?
>>727709846By the end of 2026 they hope lol
It's not even out yet.Reserve judgement for 1.0 in a few years.
>>727707231A bespectacled kiwi name-dropped elden ring, and convinced a bunch of fromdrones to play a genre they don't even like.
>>727709846no point believing their lies theyre just making shit up as they go right nowevery patch all the skills get tweaked and theyre still shit somehow
>>727709830And another thing, I like the 'comboslop' gameplay and I like that it makes poe1 1click tards seethe but they need to actually add interactions between skills across weapon classes for there to actually be any build variety. It seems like they started with druid but they really need to step it up.
>>727709049Ok so you are a shill. Listen here moron, if your game is only alive once every 4 months, then it is a complete failure.Also read the retention stats of the last league, it was the lowest over you fucking shill retard.
>>727710258i haven't touched this since EA started, maybe i'll try the druid coming in next week
>>727707358>>727707231It's an issue of devs not knowing what they want the game to be>Campaign designed with slow methodical combat in mind>rapidly transitions into we cookie clicker now button mashers or you get melted because the only stat that matters is raw hit pool>still have shit design when it comes to movement speed and map size>Still have gay gotcha moments where you get offscreened because you dared to play optimallyThey don't know what they want, and it's a bit obvious
>>727710603>if your game is only alive once every 4 monthsWhat makes it a failure? Explain.It's how games with seasonal updates operate and they cycle on and off with PoE1. Once either one's league is halfway the second game gets its new league, this way players have constant flow of content and never an extended period of nothing. >Also read the retention stats of the last league, it was the lowest overLowest over what? If you look at the curve and the numbers in depth, they're no different. The only difference is that they shortened their dev cycle
>Smith of Kitava reworkI can't wait to tank forever, I fucking hate dying, Kitava was fucking right.
>>727710760>i haven't touched this since EA startedthis seems to be the most common thing I've seen, a lot of people tried it out on launch but didn't really enjoy it enough to keep playing.
>>727708452>>Make ARPG with most fun gameplay in the history of the genreNigger it was a barebones top down souls wannabe. The actual RPG part was fucking meaningless, and now that they're adding the RPG part of the ARPG back in and making gear, skills, and resistances actually matter all of you niggers are crying you can't rollslop your way through the game.
>>727708334the game has been in early access for a year and has barely improved at all dude. They're clearly just ignoring feedback at this point. Its valid to complain about the state of the game this far into early access, especially since they plan to launch fully in a year.
>oh boy time for my lightning es mf build for the 4th consecutive league
>>727711986hope it gets good at launch, because i did similiar thing with BG3. It was fucking rough at first day of EA but was pretty good on release, even with its flaws and bugs
>>727711354Definitely a case of playing musical directorial chairs. Did you see their latest livestream Q&A? They flat out confessed they had no idea how to balance elements, just that "we don't want to nerf everything" and "gutting lightning damage would be too easy" but never explain how to make ignite or chill more appealing.https://youtu.be/EyyKfOqzGbs?t=6310
Game has one of the greatest if not the greatest wolf-themed bosses ever.Chills everytime.
>>727710603not this Anon but I needed to add that you are a fucking mongo! how do you think seasonal games work retarded nigger? (You) can pull the exact same chart with PoE1, Diablo4, Last Epoch...
>>727707231>What went wrong thread>Poe flavor >D4 gets brought up first sentence to cope OP trying his hardest to make a D4 thread last more then 20 minutes cause no one gives a fuck about it
>>727712438>I only play metaWhy would you out yourself like this? Arn't you embarrassed?
>>727712438why even play these games if you aren't going to try something new every time you roll a character?
>>727712995last patch they showed a bunch of skills in the their grand reveal then in the week between the reveal and released nerfed them all into the ground 4 times in 4 patch revisions.
>>727708452Exactly this. 0.1 was the most fun I had in a arpg since startinga brand new Diablo char in Hell Difficulty through the Hellfire expansion. I genuinely do not understand why the caved so fast to their braindead audience of PoE1 terminal zoom-zoom neckbeards who dont even play PoE2 anyway.
>>727708749You are the reason why they have to explain what a leauge cycle is every leauge announcement like telling retards not the eat the gel packet in the beef jerky
>>727707231>I've never seen an ARPG flop as hard as this gameMay I introduce Last Epoch
>>727712261Why would you bother replying to me with a post that obviously shows you've never played the game? It wouldn't work on me, so what's even the point?
>expected to do the campaign every 3 months>campaign is an absoulte slog and takes forever>it's not even done yet
>>727713445Based retard filter
>>727712927>don't play dev appproved meta build>can barely clear the campaign let alone anything slightly related to end game
>>727713526>didn't refute the pointWhen the opponent resorts to personal attacks you know you've won
>>727713445POE2's campaign is based and I love it more every time I have to do it. I'm actually worried they'll nerf it as they add more actsThere's actual gear progression and character decisions to make as you play the campaign, leveling isn't just a mindnumbing extended loading screen for the real game like D4 leveling is
>>727712261>it was a barebones top down souls wannabesounds like the most fun gameplay in the history of this shit zoom-zoom 1 button cookie-clicker for gamba addicts of a genre, yes.
>>727713713>There's actual gear progressionYet you never feel stronger>character decisions to make as you play the campaignAh yes, which node on the tree do I click that I will immediately change soon as I finish the campaignRiveting.> leveling isn't just a mindnumbing extended loading screenIt's a mind-numbing slog is what it is.>D4Way to bring up D4, unprompted. I do agree D4 is an absolute joke though. The MTX is nice atleast.
>Very Positive
>>727712261The whole point of an ARPG is to beat the campaign and get to end game. Nobody gives a fuck about the campaign and nobody wants to be there longer than they need to be.
>>727713584>can barely clear the campaign let alone anything slightly related to end gameyou either didnt play the game or you are a double digit low-IQ handicapped nigger if you cant clear the piss-easy campaign with w/e build. Either way, nice of you to out yourself kek
>>727713947>look at the reviews>most of the positive reviews are from people with 20+ hours, some 200+>struggled to find any of those meme reviews that say shit like "meep" or w/eActually impressive
>>727713886>You never feel strongerwrong lol>I will write like I'm annoyed to hide the fact that I'm trying to say skill build doesn't matter in an ARPG because you might change it at some pointlol>It's a mind-numbing slogtry actually playing it instead of following a maxroll build or whatever that nig zizaran told you to play. i doubt even that would change it, you're clearly one of the faggots who thinks 2 buttons is too many and hates playing games>Pft, you're bringing up another ARPGs leveling system in a discussion on ARPG levelingyou have a developmental disability and are likely brown
>>727707231They should give access to all the skills in the first 10 levels so you can use whatever skill you like immedietly and not be forced to use the same skills every time you create a new character until you get the skill you want to use.
The real issue with Poe 2 is that there is no progression whatsoever. You get to end game and then you have a bunch of shitty minigames to choose from where you grind for currency
Tencent shill thread
>>727713972I do play the game though
>>727714164>Willingly plays the mode that incentivizes not interacting with the game>Cries about not interacting with the gameplay SSF or self-imposed-restrictions trade-SSF then, retard
>>727707231>What went wrong? I've never seen an ARPG flop as hard as this game.Are you retarded on purpose? Torchlight 3, Diablo 3 that was so bad PoE 1 was created and overshadowed it, there's so many other ARPG's that shat the bed and you know it.People are just waiting on the new seasons as they always do.
>>727714220then how can you still be struggling with the campaign, especially after every single nerf to it due to the PoE1 bitches crying forever on leddit?
>>727714090>make your own build>it's not a meta build>have to reroll to a meta build later on just to clear basic endgameSure bro.
>>727714335>then how can you still be struggling with the campaignI'm shit at the game lmao
>>727714076What's a meep?
>>727713584I played one of the least popular classes in 0.3 and it was fine. Even a little underrated.
>>727707231SIXHUNDREDTHOUSANDCONCURRENT0.4
>DUDE POE2>DUDE D4>DUDE POE2>DUDE D4>DUDE POE2>DUDE D4>DUDE POE2>DUDE D4>DUDE POE2>DUDE D4Why does nobody talk about Last Epoch, Torchlight, Grim Yawn or Titan Quest 1/2 in these threads?
>>727714340>n...nuh uh!Cleared everything just fine on my homebrewed elemental infusion Chronomancer last leaguebye bye thirdie nice talking to you
MARKETING SHILL SAMA GET DOWNTHE TUB’S GONNA BLOW
>>727714507>YOU YOU ARE THIRD WORLDPost your hand.
>>727714463because they are pure shit? Havent played Titan Quest 2 yet tho, it looks kinda fun.
>>727707358>Literally, the console version is STILL unplayablethey're incompetent
>>727713352I don't get why people are so butthurt about the game. it's decent, if a bit too easy and pretty monotonous in the endgame
>>727714463>Last Epochthere's nothing really to talk about. It's similar to D4 in that it's a fun-enough core game that gets very samey very quickly. D4 is just a higher profile game, and has had more resources and more time to make even less developmental progress, so it's brought up more.
They should've remade how loot works in poe2 instead of doing the screen full of shit again. Like remove drops of basic shit completely and have them be available to buy in endless quantity in towns so you can just buy whatever you want to roll instead of looking for white items.
>>727707231>druid looks awesome>performance fix>new campaign addition looks nice>no longer need to buff maps with delirium and whatnot, simplified the processand a bunch moreI think 0.4 is going to be a banger
>>727714340skill issue
>>727713352Of shit, what happened?
>>727714261PffhahahahaWhat progression is there in SSF? Oh that's right, even less, because you can't even get items
>>727714774the gameplay is great, the issue is the devs are insanely slow to release content and are happy to 'sit on their laurels'. Also some new content is paid only DLC I think?
>>727714936devs got bought out by krafton and then announced new classes will be paid content after promising all gameplay updates would be free previously it would appear. expac itself is free but not the classes that comes with it, which I would expect the expac to be paid and the classes to be included in that expac. but I guess people are mad they walked back previous promises
>>727714851I didn't even know you could juice maps with delirium liquidsthank god they removed it, because I've been missing out this whole timeonly just now learned that the game has in-game trade window too
>>727714936>Last Epoch is a paid game in a genre dominated by F2P PoE>Devs promise no paid content after the buy-in to play, everything would be free outside of a cosmetic shops>Devs sell out to new publisher Krafton>Devs say cosmetics not enough to support future development>Announce that new expansion will be free, but future classes will be payment-required>Review bombPeople act like the devs stuck a knife in their backs but really the "no payments again ever" thing is a platitude that only works if the game is a runaway success, which it wasn't.
>>727714774People are mad because they're introducing paid classes with the 4th season even though the devs said they wouldn't do stuff like that. I don't see the big deal, if you don't like it don't buy it. EHG said they're making no money off the MTX shop though but one glance and it's easy to see why, they need to make money somehow. I just reinstalled the game the other day and have been enjoying it.
>>727715034yeah feels like they've added more MTX to the game than any actual content
>>727714335the game is horribly balanced the difference between a meta skill and a non-meta one is like 5x the damage try leveling with something like incinerate and you'll want to kill yourself very quickly also a lucky weapon drop can easily double if not triple your damage because items are so insanely overtuned on 2
>>727715072>expac itself is free but not the classes that comes with itThat's kind of the complete opposite of how it should be, isn't it?
>>727715123>only just now learned that the game has in-game trade window toothink they added that in 0.3, which is greatthe endgame is still sadly lacking, and they need to fucking nerf +X level to skill gems (its basically mandatory) and buff the skill tree so it's not just fluff
>>727715178yeah it either needed to be a massive success or really hook in some whales, and it looks like it did neither.
>>727713352Wolcen was worse wasn't it? I dropped last epoch really fast when i realized that they will never fix the bug of items disappearing on the ground when you tp away, so they turned it into a "feature"
>>727715178>Devs say cosmetics not enough to support future developmentMaybe if they were worth buying. There's hardly anything in the shop and what is there looks like trash.
>>727715236that's the opposite of reality, the MTX store is empty and they added a load of new content in season before last onerecent one felt a bit lacking
>>727715034They saw GGG releasing new seasons+content every month adn thought they could do it too but didn't realize how much work it actually takes to do.
>there is build variety!>meta isn't mandatory!>you can play what you want!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnA_UVYjocAThe title is a lie, he couldn't finish any of the goals he set for himself. If you don't play meta you straight up just CANNOT do the game's content, and this is why PoE2 is garbage.
>>727715398No argument here, their MTX sucked>>727715298Game isn't popular enough to have a paid-for expac. Paid-for expacs essentially uninstall the game for anyone unwilling to buy them again because of how hard they lock you out if you don't pony up. At least with a paid-for class the other 95% of the game is playable if you don't have an interest (or a justification) in paying for the Timewarped Class or whatever they're calling it.>>727715123this is why redditors freak the fuck out over delirium fog despite it looking cool. redditors are tradecucks and tradecucks in POE2 were forced into always-instilling, so they were in Deli for every map
>>727715298yeah when the expac was announced I'd figured it'd be paid and come with new classes, but I guess they promised no content would be paid so the compromise was free expac, paid classes. >>727715404I'll take your word for it I haven't really browsed the mtx store that much, this season just felt kind of barren new stuff wise. I like the dinosaur shit but it didn't really change too much except adding a modular miniboss you fight every other map. T-rex relic is fun to use with a minion build though
>>727715520Why are there so many brown shills for PoE?
>>727714463For the same reason people don't talk about halo in these threads? If you wanna ragebait - at least post something relevant.
>>727715534That's why it's funny when people bitch about the new season and there's that one retard who's like "BUT THEY'RE ADDING 60 NEW SKILLS, 30 NEW PASSIVE TREE NODES, 60 NEW SUPPORT GEMS, 10 NEW SPIRIT GEMS AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF" but everyone knows the amount of that stuff that will actually be useable you can count on one hand, if even.
>>727715534No point in sperging like a retard about the endgame when they said they'll overhaul it in 0.5
>>727715534>The game is bad because you can't clear ubers by literally picking a skill and ascendancy at random and hoping you can make it workpretty good argument retard-kunif you can't make this work, it's because the game is 0-variety metaslaved slop and POE2 badif you can make this work, it's because the game is brainless simplified easy junk and builds don't matter so POE2 bad
>>727707231its another nofunallowed nerfslop
>>727715628Free game with a large RMT scene so they can make real, actual, first world currency off of it and make 2000x more than they'd make at a traditional job in their country.
>>727707231End game delve type mechanism needs to go completely, its horrible. It cant be fixed. Also maps are too large and annoying.
>>727715731Actually it's ,6 now but for sure in .7 and you can guarantee we'll have something useable by .8 we just need to wait until .9 then we'll finally have good end game in 1.0 and it'll really be fleshed out and ready for the masses in 1.1 then by 1.2 it'll finally be ready to go and by 1.3 they'll finally release it so we can play it in 1.4.
because the devs fell for the dark souls>meaningful combatmeme and didn't realise that no one wants to spend 5 seconds fighting each and every white mob on a map of 2000 white mobs when none of them do or drop anything interestingbut they couldn't just make another kill the screen simulator since then there's no reason to even work on a poe 2the rest is just what happens when baldy just goes I HAFF A VISION and everyone else just has to interpret it
>>727715534There can be variety without the absolutely most retarded combinations working. Definitely a lot of skills need to be balanced though.
>>727708452I agree, the most fun I had with it was at beta release before they made something that is not like other Argos, I enjoyed the slower gameplay. The fact that they caved in to the pressure was sad. I like POE1 but there's nothing wrong with POE2 taking a different approach
>>727715646All those other games are ARPGs though?
>>727715857They should've stuck to the meaningful combat vision
>>727712995It's way too punishing to roll a potentially shit build and too expensive to respec a character
>>727715857Don't forget every one of those white mobs do more damage than actual bosses and they all have some elite monster that has permeant 50%+ slow so good luck if you're melee.
>>727713171Agreed, game peaked early on and has only gotten worse.
>>727715857>The meaningful combat thing was a memeonly if you're a tradenigger lolI love 2's gameplay and the only thing it needs is to get slowerfuck tradekikes, fuck fubtrannies, and fuck you
>>727715534What do you mean? He literally killed the final boss.
>>727716075Are you gonna say the same thing in 2-3 seasons when you're slogging through that campaign again, using basically the same shit you are now?
>>727715857>because the devs fell for the dark souls>>meaningful combat>meme and didn't realise that no one wants to spend 5 seconds fighting each and every white mob on a mapAre you retarded? The game is shit because it's NOT like this.
>>727715857>no one wants to spend 5 seconds fighting each and every white mob on a map of 2000 white mobsLaunch numbers and reception proved that people absolutely DO want to do that and it was a massive breath of fresh air for the genre to the point where a fucking 0.1 early access release of a game was already being lauded as the entire genre's peak.Oh but wait, the (((content creators))) bitched and moaned and cried as hard as they possibly could because they couldn't dedicate enough brainpower to actually playing the game and milking parasocial retards for money at the same time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM4-ZAAVIOUAnd then GGG caved because the opinions of (((content creators))) matter more since they have a horde of braindead followers that will decide whether or not they'll spend money and time on a game exclusively from what their parasocial demon tells them.
>PoE2 feels like shit and never has a good update>last epoch is selling out and in the process of shitting itself>diablo 4 just became 3 againwho will save us?
>>727715398The issue is not with the cosmetics per seit's the character models and their proportions, they look like these shitty Heroforge models, stunted and sillyMore realistic proportions and fluid animations would make the visuals pop out much more nicelyLast Epoch already has a good foundation, they should focus on polishing the game to not make it feel like a cheap indie, even though that's what it is
>>727716281>Launch numbers and reception proved that people absolutely DO want to do thatthey thought they did, and then they left never to returnLMAO you are really stupid
>>727716305Titan Quest 2 (eventually)
>>727716305nothing, arpg is a dead genre
>>727716281They thought they did until they realized they would be doing the same thing every season.
>poe cultists actually would want to spend over two hours per white map bopping each and every mob individually for a single identify scroll fragment each at most if it'd make the some-other-playstyle-trannies "seethe"actual insanity
>>727712927>>727712995LMAO
Filtered.
>>727715857Chris Wilson left GGG years ago.
>>727708102Don't forget they said it would be free to play, but then the paypiggies lined up anywaysHow do I get my own cattle to give me money like that?
>>727716547source: it came to me in dream
I like PoE and PoE2
I have tremendous Vaal fatigue. I am tired of fighting not-indians, desert niggers and cavemen
Would Diablo 4 have been better if it wasn't open world slop?
>>727716940diablo 4 would have been better if it wasn't a cash grab made by a company who stopped giving a shit about anything they produced over a decade ago
>>727716940Being open world is the least of its problems
>>727716940i think so. the game gets boring so much faster when you're immediately grinding events.
>>727717109What are some of its other problems? I played it for like 4 hours and dropped it because it was boring and I don't want open world shit in an arpg.
What if the majority of money that PoE2 will ever make has already happened and as we near "1.0" the enthusiasm the devs have will dry up just as the money does? Did you early access fags ever think of that?
>>727712261Yeah, for the first act lol.... Then it's just poe1 all over again with less systems.
>>727716358>and then they left never to returnYeah because the game was balanced to not be like that you fucking idiot
>>727707231Remove the needless downsides they're trying to introduce to many skills and playstylesBring back good movement skillsSignificantly increase the action speed of skills designed to combo into othersBonus points copy poe1 atlas, every other poe2 system I didn't mention is actually an improvement
I don’t get how people rave about this game like it’s some 9.5/10. You can’t meld Dark Souls and Diablo II combat it just work outside of boss fights.Boss fights are the best part of the game though, naturally.However, the rest?Level design in terms of progression is straight up drawn out and convoluted. Act II is its own game of navigating quest direction and mini map teleports.Loot in the game still sticks to the same Diablo II grids and usage of consumables to identify the items, gear of which isn’t even for your class 90% of the time.Character progression systems are vague. There’s a huge passive/attribute tree that is comically big for the level of passives each node unlocks. Trying to navigate it without a guide essentially comes down to looking at major shapes in the tree and guessing that’s good enough.Class skills are another aspect that’s convoluted. I still don’t really know what’s going on in this area. Consumable gems unlock skills but there are tiers of skill gems but everything is on a linear menu selection. Because the combat is now so heavy and you’re dealing with such big mobs (sometimes 50 enemies), your best choice of attack are high spread or AoE attacks, and so combat boils down to players alternating between two attacks, because your roll dodge and I-frames is what generates spacing, not your skills (e.g. a rush attack and moves you 20 meters).I think there’s a genuinely great game here, but it’s being held back by design decisions from Diablo II and endgame expectations from Path of Exile 1. If combat slowed down, enemy counts became thinner, gave more reason for rolling and parrying, character progression wasn’t so obtuse and there was more of a story to ground the player in the moment to moment gameplay, you’d have something really good. The fact that the game is still a 7/1@ after all these complaints speaks volumes. As it is though, I don’t get why so many people praise the game so heavily.
>>727717506lol you retard the numbers would be worse if they had not made changesyou fucking moron LMAOpoe shills were making videos called "POE 2 ... IS BAD"and you think people left because they changed it? HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>727715290Absolutely true.>try leveling with something like incinerate and you'll want to kill yourself very quickly That was me playing sorceress at 0.1 - i did indeed get a desire to kill everyone at GGG, then i simply quit and deleted the game.
>>727707231I don't think the people working on it like the actual game part very much
>>727717390It's likely true. Anyone who wants to play the game, is and are spending money. All the others "waiting for it to be free" won't spend a dime regardless.
>>727707231They'd been slow dripping the features nobody liked into poe1 for years - with poe2, they dropped them all in at once
>>727717553Adding on to thisBring more power into the skill tree, it feels like shit investing points into something that feels gimped, power coming primarily from gear is just shit design since they for there to be a grind
>>727716940>open worldThis isn't a bad thing. Poe 2 is just a string of square maps and loading screens, it's technically worse than what we had in Diablo 2. This is noticeably bad during the campaign where you're supposed to be traversing the world in a caravan or a ship, but it still ends up just being loading screens and waypoints. It's 2025 for christsakes. World of Warcraft has no loading screens and it was made more than 20 years ago.
>>727717578Nice post chatgpt
>>727715914And those arpgs are very different to PoE. The only reason d4 gets brought up is because gggcels are so insecure, the best comparison they have is a franchise that died 2 decades ago but its corpse somehow still moves.
>>727717608>and you think people left because they changed it?Yes, people left because they changed it in favour of what the poe shills wanted.
>>727717190Uniques are too generic and good resulting in samey builds (Tal Rashas in every sorc build, or every build sticking Fists of Fate somewhere)#1 source of character power progression is Paragon which means the best thing you can do for your character is be bored while you earn XP, holy fuck you have no idea how smart it was for POE to make level-grinding from ~95 to 100 more of an optimization tactic than anything elseParty play drop bonuses from pinnacles combined with how strong mythics are (pinnacle only drops) combined with build imbalances results in a shocking amount of endgame progression hinging on joining a group to grift off of someone playing a meta build to one-shot a pinnacle boss for you because there's literal days of grinding separating mid builds from meta onesPit and Infernal Hordes shitstomp everything else in terms of progression valueGear is too easy to obtain, the only gear that requires time or effort to obtain besides Mythics are +passivelevel greater affix amulets which are both unnecessary and unobtainiumGear doesn't matter and currencies are picked up by pets so all the content you do feels like you're getting jack shit for rewardsBad unique design and bad passive tree design means bad build variety, many of the top builds have been top builds for years now
>>727717578why would you copy paste an AI written message in 4chan? what the fuck is wrong with you? what sort of mental illness do you have? "this game is fucking trash lol" would be less asinine than what you just did
>>727716305A good game that focuses on gameplay, story, and challenges for the endgame instead of grinding for better loot. Also, no trading. Can multiplayer with 7 other players, but that is just to ramp up xp gain and get challenges done.>>727716440It is a dead genre as long as devs keep being retards and keep shoving gambling under the guise of gameplay.
Poe 2 has no progression. This is why everyone says there's nothing to do in end game. Fucking WoW has more progression than this.
>>727717987>joining a groupARPGs should NEVER require to join a group unless you're getting helped (carried).
>0.3 peaked at 352,104>Still had 50-70k players 1-2 months into it>Costs money to play>Free weekend ending barely made a dent in the player numbersMeanwhile>poo1>literally free to play>ALL-TIME peak 228,398The absolute state of poo1 retards.Meanwhile D4 doesn't even post player numbers so literally who cares.
>>727718059UH ACKSHAULLY? I cleared that map .5 seconds faster with this new piece of gear that's called P R O G R E S S I O N
>>727718186That's literally any one of these lootclicker games thoughbeit?
>>727718227PoE is also a loot clicker game
0.4 is gutting crafting with the removal of homomen. I don't understand this since crafting was the best thing about 0.3. now what are we to do? Just exalt slam like in 0.1? Spend 500 div to use the incredibly rare whittlings? Why do they always have this kneejerk reaction of removing anything people find fun?
>>727717826>Power coming from gear is shit design as opposed to power from levelsthen play D4 you fucking faggotoh wait you won't because as it turns out power from levels as your primary build advancement is completely unrewarding, boring, and miserablekill yourself
>>727718304That was the point. These games are all the fucking same so what's YOUR point? You're just doing the same shit faster or running some endlessly scaling dicksucking rift level 193 instead.
>>727717861>>727718008>effort post>niggas call it out as LLMThis board is gone.
>>727707231It's hardly the biggest issue I had, but is sprint still tied to dodge? I actually laughed when I saw that
>>727718369It was way too easy/good.But in a typical GGG fashion the end result is probably back to exalt slamming and praying instead of some in-between where you can still have fun crafting.
>>727718389But your power in D4 comes from gear also
>>727718389There is a happy mediumIn Poe there's always a point where I reach that I have to hit lottery odds to roll an item, or have obscene amounts of currency for an upgrade which usually just makes me quitPoe2 is worse because shit is just much weaker outside of the meta skills
>>727718497>It was way too easy/good.Compared to what?
>>727718606I don't know, exalt slamming? We went from ground loot and exalt slamming and like one useful omen to deterministically, or with some RNG involved in one step of the way, crafting 6xt1-2 items.
path of exile has a lilyussy solution
>>727718369They don't actually want most players getting good gear
>>727707231They're trying to do a new kind of gameplay, unlike what others have attempted, that begins building the bridge between diablo clones and souls clones. I guess it's growing pains for GGG, hopefully they get a better handle on their vision. And it's a bad early access title, very sparse.
>>727707358there should have never been a console version
>>727715398If they had half-naked girl skins in there they wouldn't have a problem selling mtx.
>>727707606>It shows that the people who left were the ones who were in favour of fun.i see we are in the revisionist era of poe now. pretending like BFR didn't want to turn this game into ruthless with every chance he got.
>>727716312>>727715398Yeah, LE is just ugly. The characters do not look good, so it's no wonder the cosmetics aren't making them a lot of money.
>>727708452>>727713171why are you faggots pretending like the campaign isn't exactly the fucking same pace as it was on release. the endgame was always going to be faster they literally said that in interviews.
>>727718740But how is that TOO good? There's no other source of good items in the game, I picked up and ided every single t5 rare that I saw drop and never once saw anything with decent rolls on more than 2 mods, and there are like 3 good uniques in the entire game
>>727718471Anyone who has used AI knows the style in which it replies and that post fits it to a T. No normal human being talks like that.
>>727715034the gameplay is not great and feels worse than fucking poe1. the entire game feels like an unreal asset flip.
>>727708452>trying to salve GGG's reputation by blaming those evil players who just don't get it ;______;thanks for your input mathil
Everything.
>>727718983I admit the characters look bad but the bright, colorful environments are refreshing. Every ARPG seems to have the dark, drab environments.
>>727719020The game is balanced around not perfect items, perfect items are the carrot on the stickIf players can almost max out a build in a week or so then crafting is too strong, and retention probably would drop
>>727719074You've been brainwashed into thinking anything that has paragraphs and good grammar must be written by a computer. Nigger what do you think ai was trained on?
>>727719020It's too good because the crafting is shallow as fuck and the endgame is what you'd expect from EA or pre 0.1.We had this in PoE1 way back then but it was done with eternal orbs and it was prohibitively expensive, so you only did it for actual mirror items. But that just invites TFT mafia shit. I don't know what the answer is, but there has to be some middle ground between ground loot and pray and easily crafting 6xt1 items. Because getting gear too easily is bad as well >>727719191
>>727718018This.
>>727719289>TFT mafia shit.QRD?
>>727719020for an arpg, being able to craft near perfect items very early just makes the rest of the grind incredibly boring. it's the same thing that happened with harvest crafting in poe1 when it was a league. and to a lesser extent the current poe1 league (the tree is no where near as good but it still shits out insanely good gear for your average player). people clearly do not like having good gear so quickly so early and they quit the game because of it, it lowers the skill ceiling/knowledge checks that make these games feel rewarding. there is a balance to be had with this.
>>727718471>>727719226You got called out, quit posting it's only making you look worse.
>>727719174>Every ARPG seems to have the dark, drab environments.That's what I liked about some places in PoE2. Also why Titan Quest is nice. Hoping TQ2 ends up decent by release.
>>727719549I've been tempted to buy TQ2 just to jump in but I'm still on the fence.
>>727707358>and everything past the werewolf sword boss is boring as shitThis. That werewolf dude is so good and then the rest of the game is like sandpaper.
>>727719191>If players can almost max out a build in a week or so then crafting is too strong, and retention probably would dropThis is a false narrative spread by certain content creators who have teams of people giving them currency and setting market trends. I put hundreds of hours into this league and not once was I able to craft a perfect item.
>>727719494The Forbidden Trove is a disc*rd community. TL;DR by pooling together the currency of a lot of players, you can print money with mirror services.I'm assuming you maybe don't play PoE. The game has a very rare currency item that lets you make an unmodifiable copy of an item. The copy cannot be further copied. So people craft very expensive, perfect items for other people to make mirrored copies of, and then ask for a fee.They make money with mirroring, use the money to buy more craft materials and bases to make more items for other people to mirror, etc.
>>727719532>You got called outThis doesn't mean anything to someone with a brain, you hooting ape
If there are so many critiques here on the game, then why does every dev stream and trailer get like 400,000 views?
>>727719851foundation is too good to not invest in
>>727707231Poop Of Excrement II
>>727719851It's still very good, definitely the best ARPG right now and one of the best ever.
>>727719517>people clearly do not like having good gear so quickly so early and they quit the game because of itYou mean when poe 1 streamers get good gear so quickly. Everyone else's enjoyment can get fucked I guess.
I was having fun running around with giant ants and watching them kill stuff and forgot there was a livestream. Any weird announcements?
>>727720092crafting in poe1 especially is the easiest fucking thing imaginable. in poe2 i agree that the low end is abysmal dogshit but poe1 hands you everything on a silver platter
>>727720148Interesting/fun builds got nerfed, LA ranger still the meta
>>727719805This sort of shit is pretty funny to me as a grim yawn with mods chad.
>>727707480>The biggest issue is lack of build diversity which is to be expected from a game in its beta stage.Don't expect that to be fixed: GGG thinks it's a good thing. Every patch in poe1 they kill more builds and add nothing to replace them. They might have no choice given that poe2 is feature complete, but what you have now is as diverse as the current classes will get.
>>727720275It sucks the fun out of poo1 but poo2 has been fine so far.
>>727718369For real, I put 250 hours into 0.3 despite the shit performance and shit endgame because I could actually, all by myself, obtain decent gear. Now it's back to garbage ground rares and useless uniques. I guess you can double corrupt this season to REALLY brick your items but you've gotta be deep into the arpg brainrot to enjoy that level of gambling.
>>727720313poe1 has not had a balance up for like 5 years now
>>727715201>EHG said they're making no money off the MTX shop though but one glance and it's easy to see why, they need to make money somehow.It's a fucking buy to play. Selling the game is how they make money, you shill.
>>727707231>maps are entirely garbage dogshit layouts>ascendancies are boring shit that do nothing in 80% of all cases, retarded conditional shit that says "this makes your gear better when you have good gear" or "run around and pick up orbs and stuff like a retard every 2 seconds">game has like 3 weapon types>gem system is a catastrophic failure, support gems are almost all complete and utter garbage that do nothing, everyone uses the same handful of gems because the others are SO bad they aren't even a consideration>rollslop gameplay so they can put in a million one shot mechanics that your gear means absolutely nothing against, disincentivising you to even get better gear>no life nodes on tree still lmao>speaking of the tree its the biggest downgrade from poe1 in the entire thing, all the nodes are unintersting, you're just running around grabbing dogshit stat bonuses for 80%+ of your tree, almost no wheels are actually worth it and feel good to take its just "oh well i have to take something and this at least does something even if its not great". the only time the tree feels actually decent to take is if you're es because the only nodes it has on it that are good are es>movement speed vs map size vs density ratios are still terrible and always will be, sprint does not fix any of this>out of 4 acts of the campaign, the only reasonably decent one is 4, the rest are all legitimately terrible>jonathans retarded focus on 5 button skill combos to just clear basic packs of monsters and conditional bullshit with windows of a few seconds meaning that you aren't actually playing the game outside of those windows, you're just setting it all up most of the time so you can play for 8 or less seconds, its the exact same shitty design as stagger systems in every other game where when they're not staggered you get 90% damage reduction>STILL missing 60% of classes and 70% of ascendancieslazy shit game
Just give me Templar and flails.Tired of fucking warhammers.
GGG really thought it was ok to leave melee players with maces for a year+
>>727720710melee? how will you cast LA with melee?
>>727720237The only thing that was significantly nerfed were autobombers
>>727720597>>maps are entirely garbage dogshit layoutsThis, the level design is complete ass. >Tiny corridors that make movement horrible>Getting stuck on ground decorations that inhibit movement and you can't see them because of all the spell effects on the ground >Some maps are literal linear corridors>The only good maps are the open fields but still they have to put shit all over the ground to block you, also enjoy your CPUs asshole being torn in half
>>727719074>can't even regonise what's AI and what isn'tTHIS NIGGA THINK THE ANIMAL DOOR HURRICANE VIDEOS REAL
>>727719517> being able to craft near perfect items very early just makes the rest of the grind incredibly boring>rest of the grind>rest> of the grindI dont think you are playing this game for the sake of the game.
>>727720783LA DE and ED Contagion Lich are the only 2 viable levelling builds
>>727721047>cats that arrive at your doorstep before blasting water at you like an industrial fire hose aren't real because people on the internet said someds
>>727719074I know this is "hand-waive" posting but you're still legitimately stupid.
>>727707594How is he wrong? It sold millions
>>727719851They pay for bots. Yes. Botviews.
>>727719851on paper PoE2 should be very good, and that's why people keep giving it second/third/fourth chances. GGG did very well with PoE 1 so that's why its a bit of a surprise that PoE 2 is kinda lackluster atm.
>>727721110>I dont think you are playing this game for the sake of the game.???? you are playing an arpg, the progression of your character is important to the game and if the game blows it's load when you hit yellow maps why would i keep playing. ESPECIALLY in poe2 when there is literally nothing to do in the end game. the uber bosses are easier than poe1 bosses and there is only 2 of them. what the fuck is the point of this post. i don't just enjoy mapping i enjoy the process of making my characters stronger.
>>727707431basically this. The game is empty and poorly fleshed out. There are a ton of fundamental design issues they don't want to address and will take years to concede on
>walk along>Entire screen explodes>Walk along>Entire screen explodes>Walk along>Die instantly to invisible ground effect despite having 6k ES and 2k lifeThis is the endgame gameplay in a nutshell
>>727720008I think Diablo IV is two tiers above PoE2 right now as a whole experience.Aesthetically, I like PoE2 better, but I can't deny that DIV is more engaging with its story, skill tree and combat.I don't have any nostalgia for either series either, or ARPGs. I even think diablo 2 is mediocre.
>>727720597durrr why'd you make the AI write this
>>7277131710.1 was the most braindead, easy patch of the game thoughever
>>727721298>the progression of your character is important to the game and if the game blows it's load when you hit yellow mapsWhat progression? There is no progression in this game. By the way, the only people maxxing out their gear in a week are the ones with thousands of divines. People aren't quitting because they're able to craft good gear, people are quitting because there's nothing to do with the good gear, and good gear consists only of rare fucking items with random affixes, JUST LIKE DIABLO 3 WHEN IT RELEASED
>>727720597>speaking of the tree its the biggest downgrade from poe1 in the entire thing, all the nodes are unintersting, you're just running around grabbing dogshit stat bonuses for 80%+ of your treeBRO THERE ARE SO MANY BUILDS IT'S SO DEEPTHE GAME IS DEEP WHEN YOU GET INTO ITTHE BUILD VARIETY IS SO DEEPTHE VARIETY OF DEPTH IN BUILD DEPTHS IS SO DEEP THAT I'M DEEPTH IN DEPTH AND DEPTHENED ON BUILD DEETS
>>727714090>always the "cant play with 2 buttons argumentspoe2 is much slower and less button intensive by a long shot. Someone help me understand this shill talking point?
>>727720597they're just taking too long to release shit. They say they want to release by the end of 2026. Did they mean 2036?
>>727712530Pretty much, game has been lacking a consistent vision since 2017>We want the combo gameplay>We don't want cooldowns>We want slow gameplay>Not too slow, it should still feel like path of exileI think they want to appeal to too many players, one of those a game for everyone is a game for no one moments
>>727720597>out of 4 acts of the campaign, the only reasonably decent one is 4, the rest are all legitimately terrible>have to play it all again by designI think Act 2 and 3 are horrendous. They were clearly padding it out so that early access had more game to play.If it stays like that for 1.0, ho boy.
>>727712624>chillsheh, yeah
>>727721275The chinese or the maori
>>727721618>less button intensive by a long shot.most poe1 builds consisted of a bunch of passive auras, 1 main damage skill, and then 1 movement skill.
>>727721290>on paper PoE2 should be very goodThe core problems with the game all boil down to this one sentence.It's Demons Souls x Diablo. It's the perfect marriage in people's minds.But then...
>>727707231Are you retarded
>>727721824GGG is owned by tencent. Ofcourse, chinese bots. Same with FunCom - tencent owns them too.
>>727721339MehDiablo 4 sucks
>>727721869Isn't this exactly the same in poe2 except we're trading the movement skill for an high damage AoE skill?
>>727721703This issue is caused by a lack of progression. Obviously in a game like this, by the end your character should feel like a God. But the game makes you need to be a god from like Act 2. If they just added more layers to the end game, they could put the god stuff right at the end, and have you build up to it.
>>727721754I hate act 1 the most. I like act 3 the best. 1 and 2 are shit.
>>7277218691 main skill, 1-2 movement skills, 1 guard/SHTF skill, auras, maybe 1-2 buff skills like vaal haste/grace. Unless you are running minions - then you have a few more.
>>727721989Diablo 4 is objectively the best ARPG. Poe2 COULD be the best one, but it's not.Then again I haven't played Grim Dawn and Last Epoch yet so what's my opinion worth
>>727721869that's simply not true. You also have marks, brands, exposure skills, etc. The actual moment to moment combat is much faster and button intensive. This has a lot to do with the speed of the game, the need for positioning, etc.Poe2 has none of that since your actions are rate limited by the sluggishness of the combat system. Even if you could come up with an example of a build that "combos a bunch of skills" (something you really can't do since 2's builds have all been one button slop including archmage, LA, and stampede screen explosions), you still are not performing as many actions per second since the game does not allow you to go faster.
>>727721275400k isnt an insane amount of people. Thats probably accurate.
>>727721987If that's the case, why not bot the game to higher numbers? Why sit at a few hundred k?And if that is true, doesn't that mean they're running anti-shill operations on diablo and epoch to boost exile in the public eye?
>>727721905>It's Demons Souls x Diablo. It's the perfect marriage in people's minds.But then they play it and find out that's a false narrative and the game is just poe 1 with less features. It never even tries to be like souls or Diablo 1.
>>727707231>What went wrong?quite simple really. nigggers
>>727720148They disabled those ants because fuck you, you're not allowed to play minions that don't lag behind you with garbage AI.
I'm assuming that this is just some sort of retard spillover from a general in /vg/ because as a casual observer, it seems pretty obvious that Path of Exile 2 is immensely successful. The youtube videos have high views, the league cycles have concurrent maxes of over 300k putting it into the top 5 or sometimes top 3 most played steam games consistently, and most importantly the game isn't even released yet. You still have to pay 30 bucks to play the game. I can't even imagine what the player count is going to be when it's F2P.Is this just Diablo 4 seethers?
>>727719226>>727721047>>727721164no same fagging is helping you schizo fagit's not the paragraph or the grammar its>However, the rest? this is verbatim the structure AI cannot break away from. Also the overt clarification of the point while hitting it from multiple angles like a bullet point, then the post ends neatly. No irreverence, no insults nothing.You are just a mentally ill brainlet you just can't tell how obvious you are and you are lying for literally no reason; It's embarrassing.
>>727722159Diablo 4 itemisation is just awful. It alone makes it complete garbage.
>>727707231>let's just fuck all the numbers, enlarge the maps by 200% and cut monster density by 40% while also beefing up their HPh-haha, yeah man... I didn't want to have fun anyway
>>727722462>this is verbatim the structure AI cannot break away fromAnd what structure is that? The English language? You can't even say what it is
PoE2 should have been more of a Souls-like instead of a half-arsed Diablo clone with a dodge button. A third person camera, lock-on, the whole deal. Same with D4 to be honest, the top-down view brings nothing of value to the genre, it's merely a remnant of the past that is used to invoke feelings of nostalgia in boomers. The genre needs to move past this archaic design to catch up with Japanese ARPGs.
>>727716305Light Pattern Games.
>>727713952You only say it's the point because you've had your brain rotted by campaigns that are complete dogshit. It's an inherently replayable genre since you can play the game with all kinds of different classes and builds so if the campaign is actually fun, you'll want to spend more time playing it.
>>727722437It's Poe 1 losers butthurt that their game on life support gets scraps of content from Poe 2.
>>727722276>why not bot the game to higher numbers?To avoid suspicion. Its one thing to use viewbots, its another thing to abuse them, because if numbers are too good then someone will investigate. Just keep things under threshold.Anon, companies these days absolutely use bots and shills to try and sell you the product or to influence your view on competition. Unfortunately, the best way is to disengage completely and not give a shit about them and their products.
>>727722437>retard spillover from a general in /vg/They got so mad that we crashed their little carebear hugbox that they went to /v/ instead KEK
>>727722634I've only ever played Poe 2 and I know it sucks. Truth hurts, ching
>>727721254so did poe2. You can't have it both ways
>>727722602this but unironically
>>727722437worse, it's poe 1 players who insist that the peak of the ARPG genre is holding down one button for 500 hours
>>727722295You can't say that bosses like The Count aren't a good boss fight. If that fight had a third person behind the shoulder camera and someone told me it was from Bloodborne II, I'd believe them.But that's the entire problem, Souls combat is for 1on1 engagements, for bosses.When I play poe2, it feels like the one hallway in Dark Souls 1 in the undead parish upstairs with all the undead, (you) know the one.
>>727722789Now do a breakdown by region. How many of those were from china?
>>727721754They should add some sort of campaign skip. You do it once and then you can skip it. The desert area is such a fucking slog it's unreal.
>>727722437this thread actually caused some retard to have a massive meltdown in /poeg/
>1 year after early access>only melee builds are unga bunga slamming over and over again>still sucks anyway because melee is awfulAmazing work dev team. Game should be ready to launch by 2045.
>>727722437what kind of argument is that? im sure D4 has similar numbers and that game has monumental issues
>>727722437>The youtube videos have high views, the league cycles have concurrent maxes of over 300k putting it into the top 5 or sometimes top 3 most played steam games consistentlyAnon said Tencent bot the views and count, like how they did with Baldur's Gate.
>>727722795>taps Lightning Spear and Lightning Arrow signYou don't even have to stop moving in 2 to do what you're accusing 1 of.
>>727722990I agree, Path of Exile 2 is as successful as Baldur's Gate 3
>>727722295>never tries to be like soulsOh no, it did try to be like that. The count boss fight is the best example of it. When i saw it and played it, it was the case of "did they rip this shit from bloodborne?" for me. Everything - retarded music, movesets, rollslop, second phase.Souls slop works in 3rd person, not in isometric perspective.
>>727722983>im sure D4 has similar numbers and that game has monumental issues
>>727722462Yes Anon, I'm sure the AI is going to put an @ typo symbol at the end of its post and formulate its points like that.If you can get an AI to write a critique like that, well done.
>>727723094i wonder if there's a single person who will see this post and not immediately know what's wrong with it
>>727723094Thats via steam. How many are playing D4 through blizzard launcher?
>>727722990>Tencent bot the views and count, like how they did with Baldur's Gate.Don't do drugs and post
>>727722437>Path of Exile 2 is immensely successfulHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAPath of Exile 2 is going to die before it ever releases at this rate. They keep nerfing players and the community is starting to hate GGG. They would be lucky to have even 30k players on release.
>>727722952>try out melee for the first time ever>constantly body blocked>constantly pushed around>somehow always slowed to a crawl>sometimes get randomly one shot from seemingly nothingNever fucking playing melee again holy shit
>>727723094>steam numbers for a blizz gamecome on you're smarter than that
>>727723094based retard
>>727723094Show Last Epoc
>>727707231They didn't add 2h swords.
>>727722462I can't believe we're at the point now where people are calling out longform posts for being AI formulated because they can't refute the content of said post.
I’ve been playing Path of Exile since beta, back when there were only three acts. Over the past decade I’ve spent more than $1,000 on supporter packs, and after not playing since Affliction I returned to this league with four goals:Reach level 100 as a two-handed Flicker Slayer — done.Farm a Mageblood — done (I can afford a double-corrupted one).Complete all league challenges — currently 30/40.Finish achievements, most of which are hardcore-related — well within reach.With that background, I tried Path of Exile 2 and quit after three acts. Here’s why:Characters: In PoE, every character feels distinct and archetypal, with strong personalities that make you care about their journey. In PoE 2, the ones I played felt bland and generic, closer to Diablo 4 than PoE.Movement Speed & Maps: The maps are far larger yet emptier, while movement feels sluggish. When the game launched the fast right righteous fire mobs auto bricked most builds during the campaign because you couldn't get away from them.Flasks: Flasks were one of the most innovative mechanics in PoE, adding utility and depth to builds. Their removal strips away customization and makes the game feel less dynamic.Passive Tree: The tree used to be a tool for solving build problems. In PoE 2, it feels restrictive, part of the problem rather than the solution.Conclusion: PoE 2 doesn’t capture the essence of Path of Exile. It feels slower, heavier, and more like Dark Souls than the fast, complex ARPG that defined the original.
>>727710603By your metric, every single player game in existence is a failure.
>>727723094every one of these threads has a drooling retard that doesn't understand that the steam numbers for D4 don't include battlenet or console players that are probably ~20 million or so sales since launchyou're just incredibly stupid
>>727723094>blizzard game numbers on Steamso realistically D4 has like 4x the number of players as PoE 2? not sure how this helps your case.
>>727722930A lot of the issues would be taken care of if they got rid of the loading screens, the rp sections and the retarded animations. In D2 (25 years old) you can literally just walk to the end of the act from town if you want, with only the horadric staff and khalims flail getting in your way. Or you can just take a tp from someone else to the end of the game.
>>727723176Sadly, he's really not. This is the level of discussion taking place in the PoE general every day. Brown people even have the nerve to pretend spending 30 dollars on a game means they are now honorary whites.
>Path of Exile 200k below peak concurrent player count
>>727722846how many of those millions of sales from diablo 4 are from china??? what's your point?
>>727723146>>727723148>>727723176>>727723179>>727723308>>727723315Nobody likes using Battle net. At best it has as many players as Steam, which is still fucking worthless considering that it's the very end of Poe 2 league and the game is still not f2p
>>727722481>Diablo 4 itemisation is just awfulWhat's the bad part of it? The aspects? The item level rates?I would argue that getting an unidentified wizard robe drop in poe2 when you're a merc is way worse.
>>727723156>community is starting to hate GGGLike the community for PoE 1 has done anything else than hate they're all a bunch of retards
>>727723375oh lord he's actually retarded
>>727723375you are retarded
The other anon is right, this actually does feel like that Baldurs Gate 3 schizo who insists that game is not successful. You would have to be insanely retarded to think PoE 2 isn't successful.
>>727723170>Do trial of sekhemas as melee>2.5k life 85% armour>Random ranged mobs in level 4 off screening me with barely visible projectiles that remove 1/3rd of my honour per hit
>>727723438>>727723449Diablo 4 can't even get 40k views on its new season trailer. How do you explain this?
>>727722602When you think about it, Demon's Souls IS the evolution of the genre. That IS Diablo III.The whole crux of the ARPG genre comes down to a crazy nostalgia for Diablo II and a weird dopamine rush of PoE1's endgame loop.The problem though is that if you keep the density of enemies but pull the camera closer, then you're going to end up with something between God of War 2018 and Ninja Gaiden 4.
>>727709830Imo they should make the atlas like a StS playthrough or similar. Branching paths with maps, bosses, mechanic maps etc, non combat events, ending with a major boss, and each act gets much harder. A roguelite progression.
>>727723264Good to know ChatGPT
>>727723170making a deliberately slow game means melee will be bad forever.
>>727723356That is a bot post. Guaranteed.
>>727708452Unbelievably based and correct post.
>>727723538>You would have to be insanely retardedThe PoE community plays one of the easiest games that exists and still need step by step guides made by their favorite streamer idols to get beyond campaign
>>727723375You are a certified retard.
>>727722676Let's say that's true, then why don't Blizzard engage in the same practice? Diablo IV's new League/season has 30k views.
>>727723652it's a casual gamehow do you explain that the game made more than a billion dollars in less than a year if no one plays it?
>>727723438>>727723449>>727723783cope
>>727723663I'd much rather have fewer enemies on screen with meaningful interactions instead of mindlessly plowing through hordes of canonfodder enemies.
>>727723663>When you think about it, Demon's Souls IS the evolution of the genre. That IS Diablo III.Glad to see other people are coming around to this fact. The Souls franchise is to Diablo what ocarina of time is to 2d Zelda. It's the actual evolution of the genre into 3d.
>>727723727I assume you're talking about the guy who brought up chinese numbers
>>727707231>create game in genre of grinding loot>make it slow as shit so you can't grind loot??????
>>727716234nta, yes, the campaign is very fun and i make new hcssf characters all the time. it is satisfying and will only get better, the endgame is too retarded due to hyperscaling items atm.
>>727723773>taps LS/LA sign again
>>727722930What makes it worse is that there's no intrigue or downtime in the story, so the desert just fucking makes you fatigued.make the Asala girl suck your dick or make her dump her backstory to give some emotional tie to the area. You got plunged into the next map and there's no breathing time.
>>727707231PoE 2013 player here who called Chris a retard. I dont know its just not fucking fun. It feels like the amazon punkished slop game. I dont even want to play it anymore.
>>727723805WhalesShitty collabs are literally the most popular part of Diablo 4
>>727723678Learn how to read.
>>727723915>taps LS/LA sign againWtf does this mean?
How is it even possible to make a playable dragon this lame?
>>727724052whales play PoE 2 as well but it hasn't come anywhere near to making a billion dollarsyou're totally delusional
>>727724036Poe 1 sucks so your opinion is irrelevant
>>727707358I heard they are increasing console performance?
>oh, act 4, with the Karui?>Let's make a Warrior and see how the character reacts to meeting his own kind>....>Nothing happens....This game is bare bones in more ways than the gameplay. They have prebaked characters you roleplay as but there's hardly any roleplaying or immersion at all. What's the point? It just makes the campaign stale.
This faggot game still doesn't have a working armor stat who the fuck are you shit eaters
>>727713445Campaign is the only real fun of playing an ARPG>NOOO I WANT TO GET TO ENDGAME AND DO THE SAME MAP WITH BARELY ANY PROGRESSION OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
>>727724106Wtf is wrong with this? Looks decent to me
>>727723785I dont know anon. I dont care either. If you ask me, i wish D3 and D4 were never made because the artstyle and item art are abominable, so are the stories and whatnot. Its like with C&C4 - games that should not exist. As for PoE2 - its shit, should be nuked to hell along with Jonathan and Co. PoE1 should be reworked to have a second campaign which starts after cleaning Atlas, with trade removed entirely from it, and game being balanced around solo play, and endgame being atlas after 2nd campaign along with arena challenge where players can pvp OR do something like hall of grandmasters where you fight against other player's chars that hit lvl 100 and got retired as grandmasters.Also, isometric action games such ass. They should be all remade in first-person, in 3rd at most. Isometric should only be for RTS or low-budget/effort RPGs.
>>727715178>Devs say cosmetics not enough to support future developmentDidn't this game sell like crazy when it first entered the "first" EA release? Then after that they pretty much abandoned the game and then released a minor update and called it "release"?
Diablo franchise is so dead that it doesn't even have a general on /vg/
>>727723386>community hates gggI enjoy poe2 with every update more and more, so does my friend group. PoE1 niggers are not the community.
>>727724124>whales play PoE 2Most people who play Poe don't even know where the shop button is, while Diablo 4 literally forces you to look at this crap.You still haven't explained how Diablo 4 is so irrelevant in the public consciousness. Nobody gives a shit about it, you won't see threads like this for Diablo 4.
>>727707594I still play and enjoy D4, especially after the expansion. PoE2 was fotm for idiots that thought it was THE definitive Diablo killer or whatever, only to find it was an unbalanced mess that they’ve spent months trying to unfuck (and failing).
>>727723264I have a different experience, poe1 is limited and all builds are the same you just scale differently due to all the overlapping nonsense. Flasks are annoying and you end up doing the same stuff in most builds.PoE1 is far from the S tier game, otherwise people would not cry about no new league when people play old arpgs without updates (or other games in general) and have a lot of fun with it.
>>727724168Warrior is not Karui. He is their distant descendant. We need to wait for Marauder because he is a real Karui and will most likely have unique lines like the Sorceress in the desert.
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>>727724106>get slowed becasue every mob has infinite slows>get out of dragon form before you even get a hit off
>>727723384Not that anon, but I've played quite a bit of D4 to know that Aspects are the issue, as well as stacking multipliersIf you want to play with, say the Rogues Twisting Blades skill, you have to use the Aspect that both gives damage and makes the blades rotate and fly back at you if you want to do meaningful damage since Aspects combine both functionality, utility and damage.Supposedly the devs want to rework the skill twig to move power from Aspects to create an actual skill tree, fuck knows when that's gonna happenAlso an issue with items is that the affix rolls are homogenized in the endgame so items are of similar power levelsTempering helps with variety but it's a guaranteed system despite how much customization it offers so it's more of a one and done thing when you get the stat roll you want
>>727724323>Most people who play Poe don't even know where the shop button islol, just press M or ignore the green $ sign above your skills. LOL.
>>727724183The campaign is fun once, maybe twice
>>727724426can't wait to play it in 5 years
>>727724286I used to think this way too, using 4chan reply counts for how successful a game is.Then I realised that entire /vg/ threads are kept alive by one single person who sits in the thread 14 hours per day.
what are some other recent games (in the last 10 years) that are like diablo, POE, and last epoch?
>>727724420>Warrior is not Karui. He is their distant descendantYes he is Karui
>>727724168Back in PoE1 when it had 3 acts, each char would say things when killing bosses and end-of-act ones, and would comment on certain events. Nope. After act 4 got rolled out - nothing like it except for some exceptional instances. They did not want to spend money on VA.
>>727724323i did explain it retardit is a casual gamehardcore gamers hate itthey are the people that obsessively watch youtube clips and twitch streamsthe dad that plays for an hour on a console after work does not have a second monitor to watch youtube or twitch while he sits on the couch plus the game is designed to not need to develop parasocial relationships with content creators to understand it and have funthis is all probably beyond you, because you are very, very stupid
>>727724542That's makes it sound even worse since they don't even have a single person to do this.
>>727724106i hate how poe2 overtunes shit before anyone even gets to use it. you just KNOW this is gonna suck ass.
Wasn't poe2 supposed to come out this year? Seems kinda shitty to have seasonal bullshit when you dont even have a complete videogame yet.Does the game even have fucking swords in it yet?
>>727724494But running the same map with close to zero progression for the 1000'th time is more fun? There's a reason why everyone just comes back to play every PoE 1/2 patch for a few weeks and stops playing.They do the campaign and stops, because the endgame is shit and has always been in PoE
>>727724579Grim Dawn
>>727724420>He is their distant descendantWrong, PoE2 warrior is Karui but was taken in as an orphan to the Ogham blacksmith so he doesn't know the Karui ways.
>>727724458>If you want to play with, say the Rogues Twisting Blades skill, you have to use the AspectBut don't we have the experimentation for builds in the genre wrong? A good aspect is meant to be something you build the character around while progressing, not something you try to fit in to a predefined meta build idea.It's the same concept as Yugioh. You're not really supposed to have 17 ultra rare dragon cards, you're meant to be a kid on the playground who got lucky opening a pack and built his deck around that one ace card.That's the spirit of random loot and aspects linking into your skills.
>>727716234>gonna have to play through the campaign again in 2-3 seasons regardless>would you rather it be press 1 button and drag yourself through it mindlessly or would you rather it at least POTENTIALLY be engaging and dynamicgee boss iunno
>>727716305 No Rest For The Wicked is attempting to be what PoE2 0.1 touted itself as. I haven't played it in a while though as they keep significantly changing various systems and I'm waiting to see what they settle on. Could be great, might be shit.
>>727724658You gotta believe in the vision bro, this will be sick for the early game. It's just that the vision of extremely slow and measured combat completely breaks down by the time you reach Act II, invalidating almost all items and skills. I'm sure they'll fix it by release... right?
>>727724631That doesn't make any sense. How come other popular casual games don't have this problem?
>>727724649Semi-serious post, the reason is because there's no sex appeal in Diablo IV.People who post in a thread for 16 hours a day need a sexual component to focus on, and if it's not there they'll leave.That's why, if you got to the Blue Archive general for example, there will be about 4-5 of these people in the thread. That's why every gacha game general can sustain itself.
>>727724078They don't know either.
>>727724323I pressed M for a map, motherfucker, not microtransactions. I had to rebind that. You're fucking full of it anyway, nobody is grinding this game without a good amount of stash tabs.
>>727724818>No Rest For The WickedI know nothing about this game, but I'm watching some Youtube gameplayhttps://youtu.be/Bji6I0vKwag?t=212and that's exactly what combat in poe2 should be like. heavy but less enemies to focus on.
>>727717578>You can’t meld Dark Souls and Diablo II combat it just work outside of boss fights.People actually read this ESL slop and mistook it for an AI?
For me what I hate the most about endgame is all the busy work shit I have to deal with and all the hidden crafting mechanics.I mostly just do HCSSF each season, clear the campaign and do maps until I get bored.The moment I reach maps the enjoyment of the game tanks down.
>>727723538>Baldurs Gate 3 schizo who insists that game is not successfulExcept it is empirically evident that BG3 is massively successful.
>>727724787Right, but the issue as I said is that Aspects are all in one while the skill twig barely gives the players choice.If they rework aspects to be something else, and then move the functionality and utility to the skill tree to give players more autonomy, it will increase player interaction with their builds.Currently most skills have 2 node choices on the skill tree for any skill and then aspects add on to thatThe issue being is that Aspects are external so there's little feeling of choice - you want to do damage then you have to use itIf they expand each skill choice you make with it's own sub branch of choices and damage passive dumps it would be a entirely improved system or you're just playing the way the devs want you to (Aspects)
>>727724631>the dad that plays for an hour on a console after workthis is me btw. I don't even know what the endgame is.
>>727725139nobody read it they just looked at the length and formatting and skipped
>>727707231>johnathan
>>727725013>>7277240782rists playing dumb again. Your game had 60% of players using Lightning Spear in 0.2 and then 40% using LA in 0.3. Stop playing stupid, stupid.
>>727724836what game do you count as casual and popular to compare?there are less than 20k people watching ea sports fc 26 on twitch, you think that means that noone owns or plays the game?5k viewers for NBA2k26, you think that game doesn't have people playing it every day?
>>727722795you currently have to press more buttons to play poe1 than you do have to play poe2
>>727725210How were you getting your Frenzy Charge for Lightning Spear bwo?
>>727725261>have to press more buttonshmmmm
>>727725147>HCSSFWhy would you do this to yourself?>did SSF during merc league>one basic item i needed to complete the build refused to drop>reached T16 maps>gave up because build is 50% of potency>decided to try and mess around with mercs>they absolutely job to even basic mobs>mercs that were powerful were nowhere in sight even though i fought every single one of them on pretty much every mapThis game is not balanced for solo play, much so HC.
Every time I open a D4 video on Youtube all the comments are filled with doomers.
>>727725159I think that's the wrong approach because it's an information overload outside of the endgame.I don't know if their season 11 will change this, but having ever aspect open to a new player at the early/mid game can't be good, it's too confusing.I mean look at Poe1/2's tree. It's ridiculous for new players.
>>727725525It takes a while to learn what you can get out of the tree and exactly how some modifiers work but in general investing into damage and defenses is pretty straight-forward. It's more just opportunity cost that you don't know about.
>>727725452Let's see if this is true.>I honestly feel like the majority of players who would have been up in arms about this quit the game seasons ago.ah there we go. four comments in
>>727725347>curses>movement abilities/blink>divine blessing if your build uses it which a lot do>vaal molten shell for bosses if you use it>flasks because there is often times you don't want them to auto procpoe2 has more buttons to press during the campaign but after that most builds are automated or if you are playing lightning spear you just need to press 1 other button to generate charges.
>>727725351>Why would you do this to yourself?This is why
End game feels pointless. Sick of minigames just being slapped on. Is this how poe 1 is?
I like how these threads turn into ARPG threads because the genre is smaller than everyone thinks.
>>727725689>curses>divine blessing>vaal molten shell>flasksEvery time a PoE 1 players say that they push buttons my disingenuous cunt detector goes off it's never wrong
>>727707231>Can it be fixed at this pointYes, all the content will be back ported and merged into PoE1 when it flops.
>>727725974>all the contentLmao
>>727724818>>727725112>no roadmapNice abandonware
>>727725952That's how every ongoing/online game is. It's a themepark.
>>727726046I don't know, I think Median XL had the best progression of any game I ever played
>>727725965My last 3 PoE 2 characters has only had 3 buttons to press. My last 10 PoE1 characters has had 6+
>>727725965as opposed to poe2's what? i've probably played more poe2 than you so i doubt you have even played this mythical combo build that uses multiple buttons.
>>727725952this is every popular gacha game
>>727707480This, it's a noticeable upgrade from PoE1 in terms of visuals and pacing, it just needs more "stuff". Personally I wish they'd treat it more like a true beta and not attempt the league nonsense just yet but it is what it is.PoE1 in 2025 is a joke, it's no longer a game.
>>727725796>posts anime imageOh the irony.
>>727725952in poe1 you pick the mechanics you want to do based on if you need the items from it or if you want to sell from it.
>>727726119Based mxl chad
>>727726123>My last 10 PoE1 characters has had 6+And I'm the emperor of the universe Slorpo
>>727725961>genreSub-genre. Much like looter-shooters are a sub-genre of shooters.
>>727708452Trvke
>>727726212>MechanicsThat's boring
I have 1000 hours in Poe 2 and haven't seen a mirror or lock drop. How many more hours do I have to play to see one?
>>727726285When I want to do pinnacles with the piece of shit that is Nuro's Harp I need to pull out as much multipliers as possible. I like doing endgame with weak items or skills.
>>727726597i have 3000 hours in poe1 and i got my first raw mirror drop 2 leagues ago
>wow this new patch looks fun i should try it out>start playing>reach act 3>realize how much i hate playing through the campaign>quit
>>727708452Such a shame that the incessant screeching from the subhuman retard community of PoE 1 caused the devs to doubt themselves
>>727726597at this stage of the game a few thousand hours for a mirror to drop naturally, its just pure luck.it took almost 10 years for poe1 to get to the point where there was enough monster density and loot multipliers to farm raw mirrors.
>>727708452Get this man a TRUE.I want to play a game, not invalidate it as I watch netflix. For a long time now the fun in PoE1 has been setting up a build, not actually playing it, because the gameplay is 1 click screen deletion as you dash around at mach 4. Yes you are right that does hit the dopamine receptors but it's not much of a game any longer, I want to see the enemies I'm fighting and act accordingly, I want to actually fight enemies too instead of snapping them out of existence 400 times a second.
>>727726695This with literally every content update except that put a naked lady in and it draws me in
me just patiently waiting for the grim dawn expansion
>>727726695I like the campaign, it gives the gameplay purpose and direction. My only complaint is that act 1 is too short and I wish we had more of that haunted forest theme for it.
>>727713445>>727713526>>727713713>>727724183the campaign is retardedly terrible after act 1 and act 2 is an alt graveyard, congratulations you have shit taste
>>7277266488000h since closed beta and not even a mirror shard
>>727726906watch the interview chris wilson did with the ceo of crate, you will be waiting for a long long time. that guy is just chilling and they are taking their sweet time.
>>727726971Sorry but the campaign is fun, no I don't want to run 24/7 10000 tickets low grav instant respawn Ledge to level up.
>>727726971Act 4 is the best act in the game. 2 and 3 are compete dogshit. Huh that sounds familiar, looking at you D2.
>>727708452>Zizaran cried in an interviewThat's another thing GGG needs to cut all streamer contact with the company. Disgusting leeches every single one of them
>>727726695they should just let us skip campaign like d4
>>727724106this would be infinitely better if you were fly the whole time and dropping rocks or sptting fire as your basic attack. Who wants to play as a fucking wyvern that melees shit? At least make it shoot out some bone spikes from it's arms or something. They just keep recycling shit from poe1 because that's all they have
>>727726960>My only complaint is that act 1 is too short and I wish we had more of that haunted forest theme for it.I wish they would remove the hunting grounds and replace it with that, it doesn't fit with the rest of act 1 thematically. It looks more like a jungle, with bright green, pink thorny vines and sandworms everywhere? Come on now
>>727727252you should stick to d4
can they just make it free now. I wanna play a druid or a monk.
>>727726204Anime site touristalso>2hu>anime
>>727727252no but they should make the areas 50% smaller and give 100% more experience
>>727727295for the new league there will be a free weekend so you can try the game but the game is like 100 gigs
>>727727296The weeb copers who still call this an anime site when it hasn't been one for 15 years are the worst posters by far.
>>727727380>100 gigsBwuh.
>>727727295They would have to redo the majority of their assets and drop their GI implantation.
>>727727262Yeah I could get behind that, it sits at a crossroads between a dark forest, village/farmland outskirts, and cursed dark magician stick town, it really should be something other than what it is.
>>727727296>anime siteFuck off back to /a/ or whichever weeb shithole you crawled out of and stay there.>2hu>animeSame shit to me.
I'm so sick of desert levels in arpgs
>>727727532Fuck deserts in general.
>>727727295No, I hope it's never truly free.
>>727727532I think we should have more deserts. And sewers.
>>727707231>Gets bought by China>Goes to shit.Big surprise.
>>727727754they got bought by china 7 years ago.
>>727727754>>727727893how will anon squirm his way out of this embarrassing revelation
>>7277278937 years ago?>2018Yep, about the time PoE1 went to shit. Technically, it went to shit with 2.0, but it was Bestiary league that started it in earnest.
>>727728073sure, poe1 peaked with torment league.
>>727727532Give us a tropical zone with the beach and all it's always the same drab garbage in all these games.
>>727727081I believe the first release date they've given was 2024, and now it's the first half of 2026 pinky promise, so it has been a long time already.
>>727727532I really like poison swamps... *thinks about getting poisoned*Ah~ dame
>>727728215Torment, Breach, Beyond, Perandus. Talisman was meh. Tempest was meh. Warbands could've been great. Legacy league was the last good league.
Does the story get good in this game?
>>727707231They wanted to make another game like PoE1 but killed all possibility for build diversity by simplifying the damage calculations. And they made a crafting system thats significantly worse than the first game that makes early gearing quite painful.
>>727727389it stopped being a real side when we could no longer fap to real bare cunny.
>>727729218I think they explicitly said they don't want to make another game like PoE1.
>>727724709The people that do that clear the campaign in 5-10 hours and spend the rest of the 2-3 weeks in maps.
Why does this game have a cash shop if it's early access?
>>727729339What I meant by that was a 4 month cycle live service game. You're going to have worse retention in 2 then 1 because there's basically 2 builds to play every league and you'll do everything you want to do in the first week. You already see it with the steam charts.
>>727729482Early access is just a label to use as a defense when you do stupid shit with your game. If you can pay for it, it's out
>>727707358The zones after act 1 begin to be way, way too fucking big, and it kinda gets worse and worse as the game goes on. I'm convinced it's part of Jonathan's philosophy that "average" players should be exponentially behind elite players, because the zones are honestly just a trap for non-max-zooming-focused players.
>>727729482why wouldn't it have a cast shop? poe1 had a cash shop in early access, last epoch had one, i imagine most games that sell mtx have cash shops in early access.
They caved to POE1 players and made it mindless slop.
>>727729959It was already like that when it first launched. You just sucked at the game back then. I was phasing the campaign bosses and one button clearing zones.
Whens the new league launching?
>>727729959>Why is this sequel to PoE like PoE? Jonathan told me it was going to be like Elden RingThis shit is hilarious.
>>727729563Well yeah it's unfinished, what do you expect? Did you think it would release day 1 with 10 years of content?fucking retards I swear
>>727730671No. It's the damn damage calculation simplification. You have only a tiny handful of more damage multipliers and you pretty well have to take most of them to do late endgame, and 95% of them are for lightning damage. The passive tree is compete boring dogshit in this game. 80% of the skills in this game are useless, it isn't for a lack of variety.
>>727731153>Unfinished game is unfinisheddamn, crazy
>>727707231It's not even out yet?
it honestly is crazy how much better lighting arrow deadeye is compared to everything else in the game
>>727713952fucking this, the endgame is better in every way and is the same in 1
>>727732464It's so weird how /v/ doesn't get this. Why?
>>727732701I think people are being obtuse on purpose, to push their own agendas.
>>727732701They do it on purpose because >>727732870 they already have their opinion set it stone and just want to argue or create drama. You have to remember that poe2 isn't technically F2P yet so that whole crowd is obviously mad, it's not poe1-2 so that crowd is whining, and it directly competes with a Blizzard product so that invites more mentally unwell people into the fray.
>>727724128Well at least it was good at one point unlike path of dogshit 50% 2025 release oops sorry not even swords in 2025 2
>>727732464Once again it's not that it's unfinished. It's the core philosophy. I know you're probably one of those retards who only ever follow a build guide, but theory crafting for this game is fucking terrible. They need to completely scrap their passive tree and remake it again from scratch because dropping all your passives into 10% increased damage isn't even remotely fun.
>>727727295Still missing 2 acts, 5 classes, a bajillion ascendancies, and in the time it takes for those to be added they'll also probably rework endgame several times and add like 10 league mechanics.
>>727733175Is the passive tree finished anon?
>>727707480nice job paying to beta test retard lmao.
>>727733481>payingDidn't spend a single centCope with your false narratives faggot
>>727733360And weapons like swords too
>>727733436No. But you don't get it. It's the core design of it. If they don't scrap their thought process for it, it's going to stay terrible. They've had 3 major revisions since the first launch and they haven't made any attempt to fix it, they just keep adding more of the same boring shit to it and I dont see them addressing it for long artery after launch. PoE1 came out of closed beta into open beta with a passive tree that was in a far better state than this will at 1.0.
>>727733818>PoE1 came out of closed beta into open beta with a passive tree that was in a far better state than this will at 1.0.not really
>>727734120I'd say being able to diversify your points is a significant improvement over the shit we have right now.
>>727733774Oh yeah, swords, axes, flails, traps (whatever those end up being) daggers probably. But those will come with their respective class, that's actually a thing I dislike about the game, in poe1 there's attack skills that can be used with multiple different weapons, in poe2 there's no such thing yet, and probably never will because they don't want to reuse animations, or at least that's the reason I remember them giving.
>>727734232Good use of time
>>727734302I feel like they could just crate new animations for the skill with a different weapon. I know they probably won't do that until 2.0 or later, and I really hope they do because weapon locking things feels terrible.
>>727734225almost every build in early poe pathed to the scion life wheel.
>>727734576Scion didn't exist anon, and all builds started in the center like in poe2.
>>727734660scion was added in 1.0, that wheel almost always existed. and classes always started in their respective areas.you can go look at every change the skill tree has had since beginning.https://poeskilltree.com/
>>727734862Open beta was 0.10
when is it free?
>>7277351052028
>>727735105Dec 12-15, or December of next year fully as of right now.
>>727735017and the scion life wheel is there and all the classes start in their respective areas. not sure i see the point you are trying to make.
>>727726695filtered retardAct 4 is fucking kino and your weak bloodline cant even reach it TOP KEK
>>727735286Ah, I thought they were pushed out later, but if you look at those life nodes they're not connected and have no notables, the only builds that would even consider taking them would be life stackers or builds that passed by them back then as its extremely point inefficient. The scion launch saw the addition of the broken notables connecting the wheel up that fucked up the tree for life builds for many years.
