Name a bigger character assassination.
>>727757524Nothing good ever comes from games with many choices and sequels where they pick specific ones, instead of setting them long and far after and leaving it ambiguous.
>>727757524There's many.To list 3:>Lucian from Larians Divinity games>Alex Mercer from Prototype games>Big Boss from Metal Gear series
>>727757524I've only played BG3, but wasn't she an evil companion back in the original games, emphasis on evil?And nobody cries about Sarevok, even though he's just side quest boss in 3
>>727757841She is redeemable if you romance her.Sarevok is redeemable in Throne of Bhaal but he's still got a piece of bhaal because of his resurrection so it makes more sense why he'd be back to his evil ways.
>>727757524Just made her closer to the original dnd character desu
>>727757907>if you romance her. Which isn't canon, yes.
>>727757524Turalyon
>>727757969The canon is retarded.>give up your bhaal essence or become a god>hurr nah uh, the pc was ackshully called abdel adrian and he still retained his bhaal essence in this canon book durrFuck wizards of the coast and fuck the memory and soul of gary gigax the cunt nerd.
>>727757941>>727757969that "book" was commissioned and written in like 2weeks by guy who had no idea about the story, they are not canon
>>727757524The winner and correct romance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLx08bpZpH4
>>727758192Anon, romancing viconia was NEVER going to be the canon romance, you can screech all you want but if sticking your dick into her is the only thing that makes her not-evil, she's evil.
>>727758209cute milf
>>727757524Aging elf, kek
>>727758259The problem is that there is a "canon". What's the fucking point of playing the game if a pile of shit invalidates your time and effort? It's just hostility because the products were better than what WotC has ever created. Spiteful cunts.
>>727758391Yeah? She was already old as fuck.Do you think elves don't age or something?
>>727757841First game, she is evil. She will leave your party if you have good reputation, unless you do alignment change shenanigans with magical equipment. Second game, she starts off as evil, but can be turned neutral as other anon has described.
>>727757725Bg3 plays 120 years after bg2>>727757907>www come nowSarevok sits in a whole and patiently answers all the bogus questions some rando has. It's just unnatural and clearly serves as lore dump for the player. Nothing on bg3 sarevok is akin to bg1 and 2 sarevok.
>>727758410There is a canon because bg2 didn't happen in isolation and is part of a greater setting.Again, stop being mad an devil character is evil.
>>727757907>wanting to redeem your evil drow waifu
>>7277581922 actual weeks, that fast? 200 pages?
>>727757524she was shitty in BG2 also, not sure why anyone had nostalgia goggles for her of all characters
>>727758431they literally don't agetheir version of dying of old age is actually just them remembering their earliest lives and going on a journey back to heaven which apparently only extremely old elves know how to do
>>727758476>all the bogus questions some rando hasCanon mc is a bhaalspawn so it makes more sense.
>>727758431appearing youthful for centuries according to aiThey start aging around 500 human years. She ain't even 300 years. Drow are like longer youthful then surface elves.
>>727758259romance is not the issue but her portray in BG3 which is an utter bullshit and complete contradiction of her personality and principles in previous games
>>727758192Specifically, it was a rough draft that he sent in for them to review and they just published it.
>>727758567That was atrocious, to split tav and durge. Almost as bad as the daisy rewrite.
>>727758576>according to aisee now there's your problemyour AI is hallucinatingif you want solid info you have to open up an old book and read it straight from the source
>>727758591>complete contradiction of her personality and principles in previous gamesShe's evil.She joined an evil cult and keeps being evil.
>>727758495Stop being a newfag. Idgaff about viconia. They already changed her between 1 and 2. Invalidating shit because of jealousy is pathetic and deserving of being shit on. WotC did that so i will shit on them for their pathetic choices (eg all that sjw pandering of late). Suck my dick and choke on it.
>>727757524who
>>727758654She's a 3 dimensional character that gets fleshed out and changes depending on how you play the game. That's what an RPG is supposed to be. And that's also why a random new dev shouldn't use characters from a game that came out 20 years ago in a "sequel" that has nothing whatsoever in common with the original games.
>>727757524>Viconia is my loveIt feels like someone(Vincke) shit in my soul
>>727758654Yeah but that's ignoring the entire context of the game itself. It's like 20 years from now some new dev aquires the rights to Baldur's Gate again and Shadowheart is an NPC in the game who is irredeemably evil. Then you could also argue that Shadowheart was in fact evil in BG3 and joined an evil cult, but it's ignoring the entire context of the game and any potential character development the character can have depending on your choices.
>>727758108Gary had nothing to do with Forgotten Realms or WotC.
>>727758629You are hallucinating, I just wrote down below what the sources are saying.
>>727759103Gary sold TSR so it's his fault. I hope he enjoys the hellfire.
>>727758654In both games to you save her life, shes extremely loyal and even risks life time of slavery for betterment of the party in one of the quests, the fact that Larian made Jaheira and Minsc have negative dialogue with bullshit made up non canon story to portray her in even worse light is embarrassing.
>>727758476>Bg3 plays 120 years after bg2Yes, and? Still not enough time so you clearly have some characters from BG2 alive.
>>727757969Which is the problem, with sequels shitting over player choice.
>>727759178if you don't know what hallucinating means then you should start by learning
>>727758529cocaine is a hell of a drugjust ask stephen king
>>727757524My issue is that she is a pig-headed idiot who went against common/mutual interest - destroying the Absolute. Like, how hard can it be to just agree to help me and leave Shadowheart alone? Nope. And then she gets her entire coven killed for nothing. Dumb-ass bitch, Minsc and Jaheira say so too.
>>727758654She was evil the same way Lae'zel is evil in bg3, rest of her portrayal in that game is complete fan fiction
>>727758576she already had yellow strands of hair in bg2 which is the drowish equivalent of greying
>>727757524Are Drows even supposed to age?
>>727757841>I've only played BG3, but wasn't she an evil companion back in the original games, emphasis on evil?Correct.People who are upset about Viconia in 3 are basing off of the poorly thought out Epilogues of Throne of Bhaal, which is generally considered to be pretty piss poor writing to begin with due to them rushing things due to the D&D edition change and moving on to other projects.
>>727760246She fled her home as a child sometime before 1297 DR, and by the time you meet her in 1368 DR during BG1, she is only just entering adulthood.
>>727760305Not like this, I am pretty sure but then again elves can change gender now so who knows. Maybe someone complained about elvish physiology being ageist.
>>727760409It's not the fact she's evil in BG3, you fucking troglodyte, it's the fact they made her completely retarded. >journeys over half the forgotten realms with a bhaal spawn, looking countless enemies and felling countless other bhaalspawns, dragons and even the Demiurge>yep, it would be a good idea to fuck with another bhaalspawn that has this lil half elf pussy I want
>>727760458cope, you got catfished by a hag
>>727760305NO
>>727760409>which is generally considered to be pretty piss poor writingstill better than bg3 writing
>>727760583bullshit. 80% of the complaints are about romance shit.there's only one origin that involves a bhaalspawn.
>>727760631Please. Not even good bait anon.For all BG3's problems, ToB is widely considered to be mostly bad writing and severely rushed. Bait away though.
>>727757841Viconia fled the underdark because she didn't want to be a puppet then in bg3 she is a mindless puppet because writters didn't even play bg 1-2Horrid looks aside
>>727760591nope, i didnt romance Shart who canonically is in love with a tranny
Never play BG3 without the realms restored mod
Viconia
>>727760942I looked at it before. It doesn't actually do what the title implies it does unfortunately, it's just culture war nonsense.
>>727760987vast improvement
>>727761057>It doesn't actually do what the title impliesRemoving all the visual disgraces and forced diversity of the game?Yes it does.
>>727759462Viconia can't be above 350, she's young, not wrinkled.
>>727759574This guy writes 4 pages daily. Doable imho. Reason for respect nevertheless. Grr writes 0 pages in 20 years.
>>727761179That's not what the title is, though.
>>727759574This guy writes 4 pages daily. Doable imho. Reason for respect nevertheless. Grr writes 0 pages in 20 years.>>727760246It's true. I thought she's 100 ish in bg2. Shouldn't have yellow hair.
>>727757524>everything wants to fuck your character 2 days after meeting you but we also must make every single character ugly as fuck because we can't oversexualize things
>>727760740tell us what was so bad in ToB writing you think it was worse than larians writing? Not only is BG3 unfinished but also has retarded writing retconing stuff from previous games like making Sarevok into a joke, lorerape of Viconia character, making Balduran into mindflyaer who wants to fuck MC, Bhaalspawns acting like retarded murderhobos. ToB writing is a masterpiece compared to that steaming pile of shit.
>>727760987Holy, not as bad as I remember. Must've been the wind.
>ToB writing is a masterpiecehmm
>>727761371>Sarevok into a jokeCan you imagine? Sad!>BhaalspawnsMy biggest problem with bg3. All the bhaalists are superheroes at level 12 and absolute cretins.
>>727757841Yes. Viconia is always an evil retard that finds her way into deep shit offscreen. Waifufags aren't sentient, so they're responding to the 3rd time she's fucked around and found out with guttural responses
>>727761430Compared to bg3 it is
>>727761371nta but in tob the villains all felt cartoonish and "we just needed to have stock villains in order to end this storyline", the possible epilogues and resolutions for characters were pure wish-fulfillment nonsense that isn't very true to their characters, and it was overall unsatisfying compared to Shadows of Amn.bg3 is no bg2, but it's easily better than tob.
>535Bait. Or never actually played ToB (weirdly possible since there's a known anon who posts being mad about bg3 for years without having actually played the original games)
>>727757524Its ok, i never played bg1&2, so i dont give a fuck
>>727761707I played both. The complaints are purely waifufaggotry from people in denial about what kind of character she was.
>>727761834>download the mod>play the game>don't real whatever the retards say about itWooow that was hard
>>727761834>they are acting just like the lefties they hate.The best part. Left and right are basically illusions.
True BG players romanced imoen and saerileth only
>>727761179>gay tranny orcs>nigger elvesjeez
>>727761834I was mostly pointing out that the title has nothing to do with what the mod actually does is all, and I imagine it's largely connected to what you just mentioned.More power to however anyone wants to mod their game.
>>727761978Nigger do you have fucking brain issues?I'm not playing a classic fantasy setting to have troons, women with beards and nigger elves on it, simple as, I play the game not just talk about it, like you.
>>727761179>those npcs on the leftlooks like quitting the game indefinitely at act2 was a good choice for me
>>727761834changing dwarves to half-elves for no reason is dumb
I need to play this game again.I got the urge. I haven't actually played since they've added the new subclasses.
>>727760942First time i heard about this mod, seems like a downgrade to me
>>727762142>for no reasonHow many druid elves have you seen
>>727762210Druid dwarves*
>>727762189Funny you posted an upgrade though?
>>727762189That one isn't to change her looks but make her make sense about her parents hair colors
>>727762210In the Forgotten Realms? Quite a few, actually. Salvatore has a slightly retarded one in his Cleric quintet if I remember correctly.
>>727762210i was talking about hope and korilla
>>727762210>>727762256nta buthttps://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Pikel_Bouldershoulder2nd edition AD&D.
>>727762323That is gold dwarf autism lore, doesn't fit
>>727757841>SarevokSuper not canon in bg3. They definitely realized they would never finish the game so they started dropping bg1 characters in the game
>>727762412The mod fixed the woke game so I can play the woke gameKill yourself already
>>727762314She was dead, why wouldnt her hair color change?
>>727762402The sarevok/minsc asspull is something I would never understand
>>727762189>First time i heard about this mod, seems like a downgrade to meThat's the problem ("problem") with the mod. It bills itself as making shit more true to the realms, but it's just a model change preference to the mod-maker kind of mod.Which is fine. Just full of itself and falsely claims it does something it doesn't actually do.Which is the long run is not a big deal, still not nearly as annoying as the shit Arthmoor does with his mods. so...
>>727762536The entire game is an ass pull. Probably written by a woman
>>727762568Dude you posted this 5 times alreadyGet the fuck out you literal retard
>>727762525>So if a guy gives himself a pussy fucking him is not gay?Festering axe wounds are not pussies. Please keep the dick and just make sure your boipucci is in good condition.
>>727762607Nah, I don't give a fuck if it apparently hurts your fee fees that much. Not even saying anything particularly bad about it.We're all talking here. Grow a pair.
>>727762690Are you a paid indian or have legal mental issues?
>>727762712Nope. But this is seriously bothering you I guess.We'll just talk around you.
>>727762104it really is, on second playthrough atm and its jarring how much worse act3 is, like it was written by other people, californian lbqt+ larian division or something, they doubled down on the woke stuff and overall writing takes nose dive as soon as you enter act3
>>727762806I see this opinion once in awhile and it's interesting to me, because Act 3 is my favorite act in the game. Act 2 drags too much for me.
>>727762847>Act 2 dragsweird, considering act3 pretty much resets the game, has no direction bombards you with filler quests, has way worse villains and is longer than act2. Only thing it has going for it is boss fights
>>727762806I'm currently playing act 3 for the first time and it feels like a series of boss fights with less exploration
>>727763061oh and thers major drop off in atmosphere and music too, camp music breaks fourth wall and sings about end of the game, its pathetic
>>727763061Act 2 is just continous unintersting drab landscape with a gimmick that overstays its welcome to me, and mostly focused on a sad/mad dad and his lgbtwtf dead daughter and her gay angelic gf for too longAct 3 was a bunch of different urban campaign quests and exploration, and felt more like what I was wanting to see.But is' all subjective and all.
>>727763285Act 2 is horrible, act 3 is unplayable because you've already played like 50 hours and then it drops you in an actual town. Not even finished. Mind you you access the city after three quests in bg1
>>727763684act 3 was pretty playable to me
>>727763760Act 3 was very unstable on release and still has some fuckups here and there.
>>727763285>lgbtwtf dead daughter and her gay angelic gf for too longits not revealed till the very end of act2act 3 starts with dream women revealing you have been catfished by a squid and soon after offering gay hentai sex, constant talk about poor immigrants, multiple NPCs telling you about their same sex husband/wife for no apparent reason, Shadowhearts revealed to have unironic trans lover, Mizura embarrassing arc with sex pest offer, Balduran,Sarevok,Viconia, Minsc lore rape, horrible boring villains. Its like some writer decided to make fun of you to reveal all that shit in act3. Raphael and his voice actor are the highlight of entire act.
>>727763684To be fair, the city of Baldur's Gate was barely a city in BG1, but we look past that because it was an older game.BG2 did a much better job with its city
>>727763760I couldn't play any more. 100%ing act 2 and watching it fall apart and then act 3's story being the dumbest shit imaginable was enough larian
i love minthy so much
>>727763798And Act 3 felt mostly great to me, while Act 2 was an incredibly overly long drag.I think we pretty much covered that this stuff is subjective.
>>727760775Puppet?The allure of being a Matriarch of the Cult is precisely that she isn't a mindless puppet like the average grunt to the likes of Shadowheart. Yes she must answer to Shar , but it's in character for her to enjoy the authority. Even then she goes against Shar in the way she tries to fuck over Shadowheart. Anyways fuck that entire retarded Demon Cult. Get fucking REKT by my two Paladins, yep I'm thinking it's SMITE time
>>727763834I rushed through Act 2 (and it was still too long) and took my time with Act 3.Maybe the issue was spending too much time in the very boring Act 2 and being too tired of it by the time you get to 3.
>>727763808>barely a city in BG1it was actually pretty big, pretty much every building was enterable with hidden quests, some had multiple floor levels and there was massive sewer system under city, labyrinth which lead to Bhaal temple.
>>727764001Anon, we played the same game.BG1's BG was not "pretty big", it was pretty bare all things considered for supposedly being a city.
>>727764075its bigger than every city Bethesda ever had in their game
>>727763858whenever I see tumblr post here on /v/ I get the "ick"
>>727764095that's like bragging that your penis is bigger than a japanese dude's penis
>>727757841Larian had to take the ending where it's implied she's turning good (not the romance one) and retcon it to turn her into a blind Shar follower. She was evil but not a cartoon villain, she just wanted to chill on the surface after losing everything>And nobody cries about SarevokIn what universe? People bitch about Sarevok's treatment just as much as Viconia
>>727764156its a fucking massive city rich in content idk why do you try to push this retarded narrative it was not really a city. ps. just noticed multiple buildings in that pic arent even tagged like Thief gild house.
>>727764075it looks bigger than whatever we got in bg3
>>727764273>Vic turning goodwas shit writing solely for player wish fulfillment and doesn't fit her character and what she's been through at all. ToB was pretty bad and we mostly just go with the cliff-notes of its events
>>727764404with barely much to do in it and barely much in the way of anything to really make it feel like a city.now compare that to BG2.Not "pushing a narrative", just stating it exactly as it is.
>>727764413Nah. No matter whetehr act 3 feels good or bad to someone, it actually felt like a city with lots of people roaming around in it.But this post looks suspiciously like a few other low-effort ">bg3" posts so this likely isn't a genuine post anyway.
>>727762345I also thought of Pikel, but it's fair to note that he's literally retarded. >I literally use>me brudder>when texting my brother
>>727757841She's not necessarily a good woman. But she's a woman that is intensely independent of the laws of Gods and Men. Her entire backstory is telling the Goddess of her race to go fuck themselves, and then joining another just out of spite. And then, in her typical ending (because her romance is tricky), she goes and tells her new Goddess to go fuck herself again and strikes out on her own once more. The Viconia of BG3 isn't just evil. She's pathetic. She's a weak woman that is obsessed with the affection and attention of a Goddess that is known to be capricious and spiteful and she torments a child for getting a crumb more attention than herself. That is nothing like the Viconia of previous games. Who would murder someone to get an advantage, but would never fawn or beg for attention from any higher power.
>>727764423>I-It was shit anywayRight, the classic cope>player wish fulfillment>when this has nothing to do with her romance>and you can, in fact, romance her and make her fall for you while she remains evil
>>727764575i thinkt he point was that dwarf druids in forgotten realms really isn't weird at all.and anyway forgotten realms is known to completely have special exceptions/rules even when D&D was at its most strict in terms of what races/alignments/whatever could be whatA Chaotic Good Paladin Order, special rules for Chosen that don't really mesh with AD&D all that wellI think ed greenwood and other FR writers cared less about what D&D let them do and they just did whatever they wanted to do anyway.
>>727764479>with barely much to do in itit has 30 side quests some with few stages, multiple main quests happen there too, have you even played this game?
>>727761952>>727761834>>they are acting just like the lefties they hateTwo sides of the same coin.
>>727764718Didn't say anything about her romance.And there's nothing "cope" about the very widespread agreement that ToB writing was bad. Seems more like thats just projection from you.
>>727762189>doing that to IsobelAbsolute crime.
>>727764558lol
>>727764761Yes I have as you keep pretending otherwise. It barely feels like a city, it feels smallAnd they thankfully figured this out by the time of BG2.
>>727764828Well at least you're confirming you weren't being genuine.I'll take it.
>>727758654Being evil and being a yandere for Shar that cries and whines that a child gets more attention than her, are two different things. Viconia is a mean and cruel bitch, but she's not pathetic in that way.
>>727762536Minsc asspull i understand. I am miffed that he is not an origin char like planned.I have not seen Sarevok yet, so cant say anything.
>>727764892why are you talking to yourelf you butthurt troon
>>727764845you are full of shit, Athkatla might be richer in better quests but does not feel bigger than Baldurs Gate city.
>>727764960Have a pity (You)
>>727765016lol you're so mad
>>727764965I am not full of shit.The games speak for themselves. The "city" of BG doesn't feel like one in BG1, which again was forgivable for its time.
>>727764765>modding your game is the same as destroying the industry and outsting anyone who doesn't agree with youhave you ever gotten anyone who didn't already agree with what you were saying before you started saying it to agree with you on anything?
Sure am.
>>727765061BG1 felt like a huge city at the time. I got lost in that place.
>>727765298Incorrect.
>>727757524still would
>>727765298looks like you got mad your "umad" wasn't effective and now you're reaching for a different angle
>>727764095>its bigger than every city Bethesda ever had in their gamePlease shut the fuck up. Vivec is just as big if you count all the interiors, Almalexia is just the INNER city, and Daggerfall would like to have a word with you.
>>727765073the stats for romance in BG3 was something like>70% Shadowheart>14% Karlach>10% Lae'zel >5% Minthara Also a majority of Tav's created where dudes, something like 80% ended up being humans males
Literal genocide!
>>727765342it unironically looks bigger than BG3 city if u compare them side by side, i guess it doesnt feel like city too?
>>727764828BG3's BG certainly felt CONFUSING to move through, but that's because its layout is so terrible. It doesn't even have a main street, who knows how they get wagonloads of cargo into their city considering this apparently is its entrance? Add the randomly distributed and poorly advertised inns/merchants to that, on top of a billion quests that you can just stumble into by accident without understanding what's going on, and it certainly is a confusing location to move through. But it's not big at all, and a lot of it feels way more 'gamey' than the extremely simplistic encounters in BG1 did. Like, you enter some random warehouse on a whim in BG1's BG, and some dudes run up to you like "omg basilisks!" and then suddenly you're fighting a basilisk or whatever. Now that's a fucking low-effort encounter, but it still felt more realistic than all these heavily-scripted quests you keep stumbling into in BG3, because all of them are so convoluted that you're always wondering, like, "am I doing this wrong somehow? Did I forget to talk to an NPC for the quest trigger? Am I missing a quest item for another trigger? Maybe I should've done another quest before doing this quest? What the fuck is Minsc doing here, and why did I just kill him? Guess I better reload and go fucking google how to do this quest properly." The whole thing feels so much like a VIDEO GAME run by A COMPUTER where everything has to proceed logically to not break the quest chain.
>>727765649>topsection of the city, not even including the other part of the city you play the game in>bottomthe entire city, with barely much in the way of npcs
>>727764828Its only a part of the Lower City. And then there is the Upper City. And then there is that suburb that you go through, and the keep.My complaint is that all areas are too small. Act 1 could've even bigger, especially the underdark section. Monastery was great, but could've stood to have a bit more things on that trail beside the monastery. Act 2 was neat, and should've had more places to go, atleast an optional bossfight or two in the camp allowing you to weaken the Absolute army even more.Act 3 should've been much bigger - more of the city to explore, more shit to buy and loot.
>>727765649Honestly the bottom pic is pretty fucking small for what's supposed to be an entire city. That picture really bring it into perspective how much better BG2 is.
>>727765876>there is the Upper Cityoh you mean that one corridor before final battle?
>>727765628I liked Lae'zel. Retarded angry women who still follow my lead are my thing. No idea how anyone could like Karlach. Only good thing about her is her ass.
>>727765649Anon, the bottom looks like a small neighborhood just with a wall around it.
>>727765963top looks like the corner of a single harbor district
>>727765073Y r u gae
>>727766117top is literally just a section and not an entire city though? why are you defeating your own posts?
>>727765082>have you ever gotten anyone who didn't already agree with what you were saying before you started saying it to agree with you on anything?"Yes or no motherfucker".jpg
>>727766179show us the rest of the city then
>>727765073Idk. I did not romance anyone in my current (first) playthrough. Skelly is giving me a disapproving look too. I was hoping Isobel was a potential companion and romancable, but that quickly got dispelled when i completed Act 2 too soon. Ifi had to romance someone, it would still be Isobel.
>>727765963You have not played the game, every building in this picture is huge compared to player model and has interior with NPCs inside, traversing each zone takes considerable time
>>727766281they're not all interconnected. same as in bg2or if you just want a map: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate
>>727766389so you can't?
>>727765926Idk anon, i've still to get there.
>>727766354Keep saying other people haven't played the game. If you keep saying it, one day it might be true.You're wasting everyone's time at this point, you already posted the picture directly showing how small BG1's version of BG was. Nothing more to go over.
>>727766419see>>727766389Try reading that again. Or you can do the disingenuous thing you're likely about to do and say "I guess you can't, I guess I win" or something equally stupid.
>>727765649Why does the BG3 map resemble Hoenn.
>>727764736Except Pikel isn't a good example to price that Dwarven druids should be in any way normal, as he is a literal retard and outlier.
>>727766354Better to grab an image with the bhaalspawn in it to give it's proper sense of scale
>>727766509but i literally win because you can't
>>727765628Guess i am in minority for rolling a human female ranger.>shadowheartEasiest to romance. Although in my case it was Lae'zel. Maybe because she, as a soldier, got the most inspirations anyone did at that point in the game.>>727765953>No idea how anyone could like KarlachI like her. She just has a lot of venting to do initially.>Retarded angry women who still follow my lead are my thingSo i guess you dont like Karlach because she is all that you like except retarded?
>>727766638I called it. Weren't being genuine.That's that.
>>727766454we already established you are retarded, You were wrong about the amount of content, you have no idea about scale of the city and are clueless about literally everything, desu its my bad I should have stopped replying to you when you moved goal posts around Bethesda cities.
>>727757524Considering the disaster that was SOD, were you expecting anything less?
>>727766718I never talked about Bethesda cities. But I'm not surprised that other anons were pointing out you being retarded in other conversations.
>>727757524The expectations your parents had for you and the end result.
>>727766631i actually tried to record webm but wiped all old saves with recent installation and the newest one is pre nashkel mines and desu i dont think that retard is worth the effort anyway.
Jesus. He's samefag replying to himself.
>>727757524What are the mod options for making her appearance cuter or at least womanly?
>>727765649bg looks small as hell on the bottom though?
>>727766774>I never talked about Bethesda cities>>727764156is that not you faggot? then do not enter replay chain you were not part of >>727766873take your meds schizo
>>727767442No. And there's not fucking ownership over reply chains you weird ass schizo, so fuck off. I'll talk where I want, and I was pointing out that BG1 doesn't feel like a city and you directly posted proof with your picture how small it feels.
>>727765649Post the rest of the BG3 city maps rather than this disingenuous shit.
they made her look like swen to spite you bg fags lmao.
>>727767367The bottom screen is 6 - 8 maps stitched together, on that picture the bhaalspawn is a few pixels tall.
>>727767638and it looks small as hell and not like a city.
>>727767638Oh god they're right, you ARE samefagging to yourself. You actually thought "the height of this model compared to this building" is an argument people care about?
>>727760942>Never play BG3Way ahead of you, my man
>>727757524I played the game twice and don't remember this bitch wtf
Why are people who have played neither of the games commenting on the size difference between them?
>>727757524Literally who
>>727767826it's optional I think, it's been awhile so I could be wrong
>>727765649Amn is bigger and better than both of them regardless so who cares?
>>727767583you cut in into conversation, argue about game you clearly have no idea about and then babble about samefagging, you are projecting schizoid
>>727767762>never touched pussyFixed
>>727767945Amn is the nation.Athkatla is the city.I know nobody actually cares but I do anyway.
>>727767972I clearly do have an idea of what I'm talking about and you provided picture proof to what I said, clinching it.Have a good one, you special needs star you.
>>727768025That's an odd leapAre you a Larian employee or something lmao
>>727768102you clearly are deranged, not beating the allegations that all unapologetic bg3 fanatics are unhinged troons
>>727767848Happens all the time it's /v/ after all.>>727768039Good point.
>>727768286>unrelated imagenobody knows what you're trying to say with this you loonbut you're right that somebody here isn't beating the allegations
>Larianigger dev boasts they paid for the 'privilege' of using the BG name>Show nothing but open contempt for the previous two gamesWhat privilege?
>>727768380WoTC gave little to no shit about what happened in the original trilogy of games so why would Larian?
>>727768358the image is me showing you falsely accusing me of samefagging you schizo faggot, next time atleast play the game before you try to cut into conversation about said game
>>727757524BG3 is shitand is for troons and homosexualswho both deserve the rope ;)
>>727768380Larian got paid to do BG3 though, didn't they. And apparently working with Hasbro was so onerous that they won't do it again. Can only imagine how gay and retarded those Hasbro fucks are if even BELGIANS, who are the gayest people on earth, couldn't stand them.
>>727757841>I've only played BG3, but wasn't she an evil companion back in the original games, emphasis on evil?You could redeem some evil BG1-2 characters. BG3 went with the version that they weren't redeemed. They had to make a choice, and they stuck with what the tabletop booklet said.That's also why Sarevok went back to being a Bhaal guy.Its also possible the rights owner made them to this, since its the canonical outcome according to their published books.
>>727768476...are you even paying attention to what posts you're replying to? what are you even talking about?
>>727766689>So i guess you dont like Karlach because she is all that you like except retarded?Nah, Karlach thinks she's right about everything. Retarded angry women who DON'T follow your lead are, I think it should be obvious, absolutely horrible to be around.
>>727768586Sarevok was never a Bhaal guy, that's the problem
>>727768524>weeb calling others troons or gayoh i am laughing
>>727768476Okay. You need to step away from the keyboard because you're just lashing out at this point.Go up the chain of posts. You're mixing people up.
>>727768641>Karlach thinks she's right about everythingAnd Lae'Zel doesn't?
>>727768643He was literally a vessel for the essence of Bhaal. He's very Bhaal, actually.
>>727768643nta but even the lead (Ohlen) had Sarevok becoming a Chosen of Bhaal after the events of the first two games, not because that's what he always wanted to be (he didn't), but because he wanted to grasp at any bit of power he could. even ToB (for all it's problems) had Sarevok grasping for what little power he could from your wake.
>>727768665>You're mixing people up.Multiple people are doing that at this point.>>727768586The books basically ignore the entirely of TOB, Bhaal is meant to be dead forever regardless of what ending you choose.
>>727768709Yeeees, but, again, she follows your lead... meanwhile, you tell Karlach she's doing something wrong, she gets angry with you and doesn't change her mind but doubles down.
>>727768827Is he meant to be dead, or just not a real god?
>>727768665>>727768589so which one of you unhinged troons posted this? >>727766873>>727767753are you going to pretend now it was neither? LMAO
>>727768540Iirc they had to apply. Everything else is speculation. I'm sure they got some money from tencent and gasbro to invest in further capacities
>>727768891.../v/ gets the weirdest fucking schizos I swear
>>727768882Dead and his godly power is either taken up by the PC or sealed away forever.
>>727768827Ed Greenwood and R.A. Salvatore wanted the Dead Three back as part of their plan to "save Forgotten Realms from WotC's 4th edition lore changes". If I recall correctly, he never necessarily wanted a lot of those gods to be dead in the first place, it was sort of forced on him by TSR for the Time of Troubles to explain the at-the-time edition change
>>727768965Ed is a top G, whatever he says is the lore, is the lore.
>>727769216meant for >>727769108
>>727769216I would legitimately join whatever discord server had that pervy hippie man giving very detailed regional and racial breast milk descriptions
>>727769216he's done a lot of bad things too like he's the reason CHARNAME turned into the Slayer and died because Ed said you can never escape the influence of Bhaal no matter how good and noble you are. He is also another leftist/ deep state ghoul and his father was CIA.
>>727769363>CHARNAME turned into the Slayer and died because Ed said you can never escape the influence of Bhaal no matter how good and noble you areI like that.>He is also another leftist/ deep state ghoul and his father was CIA.I don't care about that.
>>727769363oh come on. he's an old school hippie leftist and a librarian, not a modern leftistnot the same thing.
>>727769417>I like thatConsider suicide
>>727768882IIRC Bhaal gets confronted during one of the rooms in the Pocket Plane and gets erased.>>727769108>>727769216If BG3 was not going to be an actual sequel to the original 3 games then it really should not have been called BG3, Obviously it was done for marketing purposes.
>>727769417>I like that.I do too, it's a far more interesting angle than the silly ToB "and everyone lived happily ever after, even when it doesn't make sense" shit
>>727769615It's called BG3 because it takes place in Baldur's Gate.It makes more sense than the original BG3 before it got canned decades ago, which wasn't even going to take place in Baldur's Gate and had absolutely nothing to do with any themes/story/villain gods as the original games.
>>727768932often happens when troons, who by definition are mentally ill, build their entire personality obsessing over their sexuality and woke media which caters to it and hopelessly try to defend it no matter how wrong they are.
>>727769745I suppose following that logic the series should have been called something else entirely considering only the first game takes place in and around baldur's gate. The city itself was never really the focus
>>727769803>often happens when <random shit not related to the topic for some reason>okay then
>>727769945you post wasnt on the topic either retard
>>727769363>>727769417Wasn't Solar empowered by Ao to make sure the whole situation was resolved?
>>727770019enjoy your night
>>727770041Yes, another reason why the books were shit on when they came out. Ao was directly involved and watching the whole situation and prevented other gods from interfering with Bhaal's children. Makes the Overdeity of your setting look like a joke
>>727769529I like that this got rectonned. I prefer that my big evil is big, and evil, and some bum can't roll 19 or higher to come out of it clean. Martyrdom is cool.
>>727757524Why does she look so old? Shouldn't she still look fairly young by drow standards? Then again it's BG3 so one could probably just chalk it up to 'Western' devs.
>>727770148i accept your concession and its middle of the day
>>727770234They should have just retconned all of TOB if they wanted to go with that, the halfway measure just brings up problems as mentioned by >>727770203
>>727770278sure sure, accept whatever you want or need or whatever
>>727770234You guys love saying this shit then throw a fit when the good guy is good. Why is that?
I don't think the people who wrote the books or invented the new cobbled together lore actually player the original games, or at least for in any significant depth. Their job was just to make up some shit so the books and games don't directly contradict each other, and now we have a reddit mod in here trying to convince us that this is the superior option lol
>>727770361you can let go, you made a retard of yourself but nobody will know we all anonymous here.
>>727770331It really isn't a problem though. It's really only a handful of people up in arms about anything.It's not like BG2 was particularly consistent with BG1 either. Imoen retconned to suddenly be a Bhaalspawn, Jaheira/Minsc, Dynehair, Khalid, Imoen forced to be in your party shortly before BG2 no matter what you actually did, characters from BG1 not really acknowledging you (like Quayle) if you already met him, etc.Hell, before the Enhanced Editions, Irenicus wasn't even consistently named between the two games (referred to as Icarus in BG1 by the deformed woman).It's all played by ear.
>>727770434I don't, you are making up persecution towards you to feel more important about your bad opinions.
>>727770436WoTC Really just doesn't give a shit see>>727758192>>727758601
>>727759551Stop repeating this ai shill propaganda. It isn't that it's thinking sometimes and then it hallucinates. LLMs are only ever throwing shit at the wall. The difference between it "hallucinating" or not is just if you happen to agree with the output.
>>727770239 Because Larian has no idea how to write drow beyond "make them sexy elves with edgy eyeliner." She's supposed to be a centuries-old priestess of Lolth but ends up looking like she just crawled out of an aging TikTok filter. They don't get drow culture, age appearance, or the sheer alien nature of Underdark society. Instead, we get “gray elf in BDSM gear with crow’s feet.” Classic.
>>727770486i'm trying to let go, but you're very persistent for whatever silly ass reason. none of this matters.is it the last word you need? or something else? you're looking very silly right now, just tell us what you need to stop being a basket case.
>>727770607They missed out on the 'sexy' part too though between her and minthara
>>727770436Wizards doesn't care about the lore in a handful of video games, they will just do whatever the fuck they want.>>727770540The original was pretty clearly not written with the intention of a sequel ever been made, they even made the mess that was SOD to cover the game inbetween them years later.
>>727770331>TOBwhy people talk about ToB when they raped Baldurans lore, Sarevok and bhaalspawns made into mindless killers were ruined too
>>727770540>It's really only a handful of people up in arms about anything.I'm aware, I'm was one of them back then. BG3 is just a bit of salt on an old wound is all>>727770835The games and the books should have just been kept separate.
>>727770741>they even made the mess that was SODsod was made by different company with other writers 15 years after original game release
>>727771032and it really shows.
>>727770627Looks like this got through finally. Good job.Or the jannies got him. Either way.
>>727771578is this troon tactic to divert from original discussion where you made a clown from yourself calling Bg1 city not a city and claimed it has no content?
>>727762525It wouldnt be gay if it was actually a woman, but a man can't give himself a vagina, only a mangled penis
>>727757524Make her tits bigger and I'll play your game.
>>727772459Are there even any good mods for this game to do this while taking clothing into account?
>>727768524>69 with MinthyOh my... that IS sophisticated and mature.>anime>weeb complaining about troonsPicrel
Why should I care about this woke slop again?
>>727768641>Karlach thinks she's right about everythingLike?
>>727774791Like when you tell her to not encourage the little tiefling kid down the road of "entrepreneurship" that gets his soul stolen by the devil, and her response is to tell you to shut the fuck up.Then later she gets mad at the devil guy for taking advantage of the situation she created and she had every reason to know would happen considering her background.That's actually when I decided to drop her from my party. She's not a morally good character, she's just a 'vibes' character. Like a lot of modern characters, incidentally. I guess it comes from the writers (and audience) not having clear moral foundations. So they can't understand that they should be doing something they DON'T like *right now* because in THE FUTURE it will lead to something they *do* like. Which is also why all of them are fat. Seriously. I go visit my local D&D/tabletop/board gaming club once a month or so, and I'm not exactly a skinny guy, but almost every single person there makes me feel good about myself by comparison, with how morbidly obese they are. And they all have that same 'make me feel good now = good; you don't want me feel good now? you=bad' attitude that Karlach has. I can definitely see the hambeasts at this club saying that they're literally Karlach.
>>727775764just cut her head off, it makes a playthrough more enjoyable
>>727757725>with many choicesI'd rather had 1/12 the choices, but meaningful ones.
>>727775764>Like when you tell her to not encourage the little tiefling kid down the road of "entrepreneurship">that gets his soul stolen by the devil1. You are butting into a conversation2. She is encouraging the kid to pursue a goal and make a better place for oneself3. She is not cross with you telling the kid not to deal with the devil4. You have an option to help or not help the kid beat the devil5. Kid ends up with the Guild and being a traderThe fuck are you on about?>the rest of the post>"vibes"Oh. Nevermind, you are retarded, case closed.
>assassination It may be a hard pill to swallow for nostalgia boomers but there is canon BG material from Wizards of the Coast and Larian has to stick with it
Gonna start a new playthough now that I got a new graphics card.>1-3Noble good Paladin>4-6MONK>7-9Evil ass Wizard>0Dark Urge Berzerker
>>727760598>drow >not white hair >not white eye lashes >not white eye brows >bright blue >no red eyes that's not a drow at all
>>727769108while the other 2 being dead permanently is a bit iffyI did hope that Myrkul stayed dead forever because MotB is genuinely amazing writing that I really wish was fully canon
>>727777819Right. Like I was saying, Karlach, just like you apparently, can't go from A to C (or further) in the chain of causality, so she doesn't understand that literally leading a child to sell his soul to the devil is a bad thing. She, like you, is angered by thing likes "butting into a conversation", as if maintaining the vibes were more important than actually saving a child's soul. That's psychopathic. And she can't tell the difference between intent and outcome, because she's retarded. And she doesn't take advice, because she's a narcissist. Just a perfect combo of so many of the worst traits a person can have.
>>727777998>Larian has to stick with itthey raped lore of their own games too
>>727777819>1. You are butting into a conversationWrong, the little tiefling talks to you, Karlach is the one who butts into the conversation.
>>727757524UuhhhhAny of the MCs of titles made in 00s (like kratos or gears dude) Viconia (in canon) was not fixed by the charname's penis, so she's worse off than in the first game
>>727779601>Viconia (in canon) was not fixed by the charname's penisRead her original ending
>>727779601this low tier made up fan fiction novel even author admits he rushed without knowing anything about the game is not canon, Wizards of the Coast can suck a nigger cock, they would probably enjoy it, but whatever
>>727757524>Name a bigger character assassination.Balthazar. Who in Larian hated Balthazar so much that they brought him back, but not him, his fucking corpse? I can't imagine why do this. It's not a fun mention, it's desecration of the only truly good Bhaalspawn. BG3 pisses me off to no end.
>tfw no evil drow gf to peg me nightly
>>727779601>>727780370 you can read this from the book author himself>Under no circumstances should you read Baldur’s Gate. It’s out of print anyway, and please don’t bother trying to find it. This was my first published “novel,” and I wish it would disappear from the memory of mankind for all time.https://fantasyhandbook.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/my-bad-short-bad-book/
>>727780536>Larian hated Balthazar so much that they brought him back, but not him, his fucking corpse?No, the Balthazar in 3 is an entirely different person who just took his name.
thinking about playing through bg1 again and finally touching bg2 any recommended mods for beamdog's abortions?
>>727780640That's the point. Balthazar in BG3 is a necromancer who decided to desecrate the original's Balthazar body and, by his own accord, doesn't even know who Balthazar was.
>>727781000i had no idea there was any connection between those two, people can have the same name
>>727781329It's the same body, it's obvious in-game. Someone in Larian didn't like Balthazar and decided that this way a good way to enact some silly petty revenge. The game shouldn't have been called BG3. The connections with BG1/2 are tacked in. You could get rid of all the NPCs and the Bhaalspawn aspect and nothing would change.
>>727778462Just do that Jack of all Trades challenge - multiclass lvl 1 into every class.
>>727758209Still can't believe a western RPG dev wrote a female virgin romance at one point in time
>>727781583tob balthazar was Monk gigachad who kicked your ass even through time stop (Ascension official mod made by ToB director is mandatory) not some fat manlet
>>727781894Yeah, part of the desecration of his memory. I loved teaming up with him in Ascension.
>>727758209>muh wings
>>727757524>Name a bigger character assassination.Ciri will be next
>>727783392how? she was already insufferable in 3
Also OG Viconia was voiced by Daphne from Scooby Doohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/J9yacxLWOAU
>>727783553They don't care about how insufferable, evil, irredeemable or whatever a character is, anon. Just whether or not they wanted to put their penis in them at the time of the original game release.
>>727783706you type it like it's vile thing huh
>>727785898This board is like 30% femcel + 40% spicel + 20% vietcong + 10% slavs
Bringing back BG2 chars was just cheap and nonsensical. Minsc, Jaheira, Viconia, Sarevok etc were basically demi-gods at the end of BG2Jaheira would be like level 25 fighter/druid 24, Juggernaut dragoncrusher, Leader of the Grove and CEO of Nature on the Sword Coast.She would've crushed Orin the Red 1v1.
>>727757841The Sarevok Romance mod was kino.
>>727787530Eh. Theoretically she still is presented as being able to do that. She can do the rite of life extension in BG3 - they still acknowledge her being one of the most powerful druids in the Coast.The issue with Orin was simply her having hostages, hiding, and using doppelganger skills. Jaheira and Minsc never show any particular awe or fear for her, they even call her a mewling child.
>>727787530>She would've crushed Orin the Red 1v1I mean. Even your random PC does that, it's basically mandatory in most instances that you do.
>>727757524she looks like a truckstop prostitute fresh off a meth binge. I still haven't played bg3 despite the constant glaze from everyone including /v/, and that's because every time I see anything from the game, it pisses me off.
>>727788871>she still is presented as being able to do thatlol its very hard to keep Jaheira alive during Moonrise tower fight. Meanwhile in BG2 you get to kill illithid brain as a side quest mid Shadows of Amn, by the time you are in Throne of bhaal you fight bhaalspawn demi gods powerful like you, fallen angels, demilitches and prince of demons, even Elminster acknowledges that you are way above his abilities.
>>727793162Anon, you are talking game mechanics vs characterization. That's not how any of this works.The way they present Jaheira in characterization is that she is basically single-handedly holding her entire organization together on her old wizened ass and she can basically do everything on her own but a literal artifact capable of creating a new (actual) god is in the way, hiding all of your enemies away.Is it the best storytelling or continuation? No, but it doesn't imply she's not outstanding.You should remember every single character in your BG3 party are demigods, snowflakes and CHOOSAN WONES with overblown skills further augmented by their illithids. And they still consider her stronger.
>>727793472>demigods, snowflakes and CHOOSAN WONESExactly the problem or rather one of many. They don't feel very special, clever or wise at all. Jaheira is the typical near 50 soccer mum without soccer.
>>727793162Man I need to get back to BG2. You make it sound so cool.
>300 posts about a random NPC from an astroturfChina bot thread
>>727794143Well sure, it's over the top as fuck. But it was in the older Baldur's Gates as well. Nobody gets nearly enough character development in personality to merit the powerlevels they reach, but they do all the same.In BG3 you already start with Shadowhearts introduction card being "two goddesses are actively having a catfight over me because I am just that amazing" and then the bitch doesn't manage anything of consequence regardless of the outcome.
>>727757524why is she so hot in bg3old nasty hag
>>727794260Bg2 with xpac, Nwn1 with hotu, and Pathfinder wrath of the righteous make being overpowered fun and canon.
>>727771995looks like we spoke too soon.meds.
>>727793162I mean BG1 and BG2 is basically divine highlander. Every single partymember of Gorion's Ward would be a living legends who wring the neck of a dragon, summon literal angels and elemental princes, stopping time etc.Edwin went down in a blockbuster 1v1 against the jesus christ of magic; Elminster. Keldorn became the right hand of the paladin god Torm etc.
>>727794621It's true, bg 1 and 2 has little to no character development.Bg3 could have, but larian sucks. AFAIK shadowheart's ending indicates that she wants to destroy shar and selune and lead both their followers, like she's yin-yang.
>>727795368wotr makes being overpowered tedious and unfun
>>727757524Why is she a hag? Aren't drow supposed to be basically ageless?
>>727799092No, they just age slower and it's been centuries since the last game where she was already pretty dry jerky'd.
>>727757804Big boss has been a horrible person since the SNES metal gear.
>>727798945Owlcucks are filth. Westernised russkies cucking for UAE money, what's worse?
>>727799337Probably actual russkies would still be worse. But yeah.
>>727757524>Name a bigger character assassination.It's not a character assassination. They're going with the Wizards of the Coast canon novels where Charname (Abdel Adrian) was a human fighter who never recruited or befriended Viconia. Charname instead romanced Jaheria and then was later killed off by Viekang. Because Charname never bonded with Viconia, Viconia continued to worship Shar, and she never turned her back on villainy and ruthless pragmatism.
>>727799725the novels aren't even canon to WotC, they only barrowed the name Abdel Adrian just so they could use someone to bring Bhaal back.They purposefully avoid any major reference to anything he might have done so you can pretend whatever.
>>727760583She didn't do any of that in the Wizards of Coast lore
>>727800162>Finally bother to get Minthara>She's basedOH NO
>>727799540Like a chechen? Kek.
