>You're not my king yet, BOY
Arthas should've had that retard executed then and there.

>>728103262
Sometimes, your country loses the genetic lottery and the inbred retard heir is so retarded that a demon can paint "do my bidding here" on a signpost and the prince will still walk down the road.

>>728103914
What is the alternative solution here then since there was no cure and killing them lets them die as a human at least instead of a mindless monster.

Imagine if arthas just explained why or if they waited 2 minutes they could of seen how everyone was infected. Uther was retarded and Arthas was a social autist

>>728103262
>>728103914
>>728104646
>strawman
retard

>>728103262
I would rather get killed by Arthas than turn into a filthy undead for all eternity

>>728103262
Arthas was literally the dumbest fuck in all of warcraft

>>728103262
the J'Lore knew this

By that point Arthas knew more about the plague than anyone else and he knew there wasn't any time to convince Uther or Jaina to help if they weren't immediately onboard with making the objectively correct choice in the situation.

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>>728103262
Why didnt Arthas just tell them to wear masks and social distance... ?

>>728103262
>2025
>Uthercucks STILL have ZERO arguments for the Culing of Stratholm
Pathetic.

>>728103262
Always framed as Arthas vs. Uther.
Everyone forgets the cutscene directly before "glad you could make it Uther" where Medihv offers Arthas an actual alternative route.

>>728104427
there was no alternative.
it was a devious plot that split uther and jaina from arthas, further isolating him while firmly getting him into the "no matter the cost I will save my people" mindset.
its a masterful mental manipulation using the sunk-cost fallacy.

>>728109081
People don't care about what would have happened in hindsight. They care about the morality and best course of action in this "isolated" scenario and Arthas was completely correct in his methods. His only miskate would be that he gave up too quickly on trying to convince Uther. Although good luck trying to talk sense into a religious fanatic.

>>728104427
>What is the alternative solution here
arthas refused to even think about it with Uther ue was lik like "NO NO NO WE DO AS I SAY"

>>728104646
they weren't willing to listen.
uther showed up in an earlier mission and saved arthas from nearly being overrun by endless waves of zombies, and still didn't get how dangerous they were as an endless tide.
assuming this was all calculated, imagine if the lich and demon were deliberately making it hard on arthas, and easy on uther.
purposefully splitting how they viewed the scourge as a threat

>>728108625
i remember getting into an argument with the LEVEL CREATOR for this map, and his point boiled down to 'it feels wrong'

>>728109431
the villagers were less than an hour from turning into zombies.
they were already all poisoned with "die and become zombie" disease.
explain the plan to figure out and implement the cure to a massive town in less than an hour.
GO.
(nobody even knows HOW to cure this disease, btw)

>>728103262
So who ACTUALLY was the mastermind behind the purge? I know modern WoW added a bad guy bigger than the previous fifty but I'm not familiar with the current lore.

>>728109623
technically its still the dreadlord Mal'Ganis.
you can talk about who was giving him orders, but he had the freedom to come up with the plans on his own and implement them.
even with the jailor stuff it boils down to Mal'Ganis doing the 4D chess alongside the lich Kel'Thuzad for the OG lich king.

at no point beyond the OG lich king can you argue about any higher "management" playing a part.
The lich king could have said something about "find a way to split arthas from uther and lead him into desperation and dispair" as the most vague order possible, or he could have been more detailed about it.

>>728109410
Too many people ignore the timeframe though.
The more people Arthas murdered AS defenseless humans, the less harder-to-kill zombies he would have to fight.

Arthas is set up to nearly die to waves of scourge prior to this, which is averted by Uther showing up.

He is put in this timegated situation where every minute NOT spent murdering civilians is potentially hundreds more scourge he has to fight, and he has already experienced nearly being overwhelmed.

Its a hell of a position to be caught in.

>>728103262
Shadowlands showed that Uther got the last laugh

>>728109623
Jaina Proudwhore

>>728110517
Didn't it get retconned?

>>728104427
garithos found a cure

>>728110976
I still don't understand why he called it the final solution cure

>>728110517
not canon

>>728103262
it was the sadly correct decision of a future king
it's morally correct to rush the culling while the people are still alive when you consider that the souls of those turned into undead are guaranteed eternal torment

for real how many times are we going to have this thread?

>>728109305
It used to be this then they retconned it to generic evil.

>>728109585
it's crazy how some artists fail to understand their own work
"it feels bad" well no shit it feels bad. It's clearly not something to revel in but it had to be done

>>728112904
then I will just ignore it as retarded shadowlands writing (which ALSO got retconned)

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>haha arthes is le based for killing diseased people!
Said mostly by the very right wing leaning people who were most against Covid vax and shut downs.
Would you want the government to just kill everyone in a city because a dumb teen saw someone coof?
Hypocrisy of the right never ceases to amaze me. Uther was right and he would be against forced vaccinations too.

>>728113147
It was incurable tho

>>728113147
Even currently in the Warcraft lore decades later there is still no cure for undeath. You either mercy kill the infected and let them die as human, or you let them turn undead

>>728113147
i know this is a troll, but if covid was 100% deadly, incurable and transmissible the correct thing to do would be to kill them and burn the bodies.

>>728113230
he didnt know that

>>728113230
>>728113457
Not everyone ate the bread that was infected. Arthas killed everyone. Every single child, woman and infant. Every single one of them. Not all of them were infected.

>>728109431
Yes, because the more time he wastes, the more people will be transformed into the undead, undead who could leave the city and spread the epidemic. Moreover, in the lore, the souls of those transformed into the undead know no rest, only agony.

>>728110517
>Shadowlands
No one knows what you are talking about

>>728113614
there was no way to tell who was who, retard.

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>>728113528
>plague that mutates you into a rotten corpse in seconds
why the fuck would anyone think there's a cure for this?

>>728113752
because MUH FEELZ BAD

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>>728113614
This, plus if people noticed paladins killing people who ate the bread they'd just lie

>>728113614
Doesn't matter. The uninfected were just as doomed as the infected. The moment the infected start turning they get killed by the undead anyway.

>>728113727
So you agree the government should have forced vaccinations on everyone because we dont know who has the coofy virus and who doesnt. You literally agree with authoritarianism.

Why don't people get that Arthas didn't actually care about the people? It was all about his ego and control/rank. He was always going to become a manipulated/corrupt tyrant of some kind.

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>>728113714
This will sum up everything you need to know.

>>728114009
>sO yOu AgReE dAt DiS rEtArDeD /pol/ sHiT
shut the fuck up and get off this board you retarded faggot.

>>728113614
>Not everyone ate the bread that was infected. Arthas killed everyone.
because he had NO way of knowing who had eaten the infected bread or not, and the more time he wasted, the more undead he would have to fight undead, undead who had already nearly killed him on the previous mission, undead who could leave the city and contaminate the kingdom's rest, undead whose souls, once transformed, would suffer eternal torment.

>>728108625
>Decades of this argument and 0 viable alternatives
Is this a self imposed humiliation ritual by Utherfags?

>>728114009
The virus was a imaginary flu, not a thing that turn peoples into undead in just one hour

>>728114009
if the 'coofy virus' literally killed you and raised you as a zombie? yes you dumb fuck.

>>728114039
>nooooo arthas should have cared more and uhhhhhh have them die anyways and also kill his entire kingdom!
fuck off.

>>728114009
Please quit being such a dullard faggot

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>>728107936
have this ever worked?

>>728114232
You mean the kingdom he went to destroy anyways after falling to corruption?

>>728114039
why does how he feels matter at all?

>>728114378
>reeee but what about this OTHER thing after he got mind controlled!
>NO I WILL NOT EXPLAIN HOW MAGICALLY CARING WOULD FIX THINGS!
and into the trash it goes.

>>728114304
the coof is gone, innit?

Arthas was right on this.

>>728114232
>have them die anyways and also kill his entire kingdom!
he literally did this anyway lol

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>>728114489
His state of mind and how he reacted is what baited him into doing all the retarded shit he did.

>>728114585
>buh wha abou-
ignored.
you couldn't deal with the dilemma Arthas faced at the time so you cry about something ELSE

>>728103524
How? Uther has a legion of knights at his back and call

>>728114629
yeah, if only he had loyal friends and companions to pull him out of it.

>>728110517
>Shadowlands
Well MY fanfiction says Arthas did so take that.

>>728109585
Was it that guy who made a video about it? Because his argument was completely full of holes

>>728114739
The ones he basically told to fuck off if they didn't do as he ordered...

>>728114905
you mean the ones who went REEEE FEELZ BAD like YOU faggots?
>dude lets sit around and discuss our FEELINGS about this while a zombie army forms from the ENTIRE population of this town
shut the fuck up retard

>>728114903
yeah, exactly that. can probably still find the comments

>>728114905
hes the fuckin prince, why are they even questioning him with their 'morals' in the first place? do as youre fucking told.

>>728103262
Even if Uther was morally correct, he was thus morally wrong for not actually fighting for his convictions if he truly believed Arthas was about to leap off the cliff morally.

Jaina is the most morally wrong of all, "ummm idk Arthas this is kinda icky im just gonna go lol"

>>728115170
Peak bootlicker mindset. It is the responsibility of anyone in a position of power to defy any order that is wrong, and not just do it because lol it's an order.

>>728114715
They're obligated to prioritize orders from the prince.

>>728114554
No? Its now a yearly occurrence like the flu. People just stopped giving a fuck

>>728103524
The subtle thing about this dialogue is that it opens up with Arthas agreeing with Uther that he's merely the prince and thus does not outrank Uther.
>Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the prince, but I'm still your superior as a paladin!
>As if I could forget.
And then Arthas proceeds to pull that argument 5 seconds later.

>>728116429
paladin ranks are not the same as royalty ranks

>>728103262
>There has to be some other way!
1. Surround the city. The combined forces of the prince and the paladin order should have more than enough for this. Half of the city is surrounded by a mountain anyway.
2. Slowly evacuate the city through checkpoints into surrounding quarantine camps. The undead plague only seems to spread through consuming grain, and takes effect in a matter of hours. If the people in these camps don't turn after a day or so, they're safe.
3. Arthas+Uther can hunt down demon guy in the city every time he appears to keep him stuck in the Altar of cuck shed. Outriders to make sure no necromancers and others that can potential turn people undead try any fuckery.

>>728114554
It was never there in the first place

>>728116429
Congrats Uther, you win the semantics debate and the whole city turned into zombies in the meantime.

>>728115515
>duuur its my RESPONSIBILITY to go REEE MUH FEELZ and let the people turn into zombies that will kill the entire kingdom on their own!

wrong.

>>728116503
Yeah, and whenever royalty pulls rank most of the time it just proves they were a retard because they fall back on trying to get their way without any other form of legitimacy.

>>728103262
Arthas was 100% in the right here, but Uther and Jaina had zero way of knowing he was right, and Arthas just went on too strong with a really evil sounding plan for them to have any chance of being reasoned with on the idea. Just a shitty situation all around.

>>728116795
royalty is the only form of legitimacy you need, all countries should revert to this system

>>728115837
Only if they are lorderon knights, the silver hand is a mulikingdom organization

>>728103524
With what authority?
As a prince you have no real legal authority beyond what your titles give you. You may be an inheritor of certain titles but you didn't inherit them just yet. After all a king could still have another son and go "wow I hate my firstborn, imma disinherit him and make my younger son my heir".

You may not wanna piss off a prince in case he goes crying to daddy the king who will then punish you, or him punishing you once he becomes king, but legally he doesn't hold any power at this moment.

>>728116503
Arthas still has to derive his power being king in the future, not him being the prince in this moment.
>As your future king, I order you to purge this city!
>by my right of succession

That's kinda the point, it strongly implies that the Prince has no legal authority in itself, so Arthas argues he can order people around because he's going to hold that authority in the future.
Imagine a guy whose promotion has not been made official and already acts as if he holds that future rank, that's Arthas essentially.

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>>728103262
>This city is going to turn and everyone will die unless we do something
>"haha no"
>leaves
Uther is based and I appreciate the consistency of characters who get rewarded for doing literally nothing to address problems. Thrall is the same.

>>728116795
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>>728117061
the only reason anyone has to argue about authority is supposed "moralfags" who are crying about how they should just let the endless zombie army form and overrun Lordaeron so they can feel better about being useless instead of doing literally ANYTHING to try and save the kingdom.

>>728116860
>Arthas just went on too strong
Yeah that was his only real blunder. He tried to force their hand when pulling the royalty card. But they should have done something instead of just pissing off and leaving Arthas alone to kill everyone.

>>728110015
>Mal'Ganis
Who, by modern lore, wouldve been Denathrius' plant in the burning legion. So it was Denathrius jewing the Jailer jewing death jewing the burning legion.

God modern WoW lore is retarded. Dread lords used to just be a cool demon vampire race from Nathreza.

>>728117301
No, are you retarded?
Denathrius wouldn't be doing shit as far as stratholme was concerned.
Its still just Mal'ganis making 4D chess moves in concert with the Lich and the Lichking, as I already stated.

>>728116795
Thats kind of the thing though, the guy who is being douche by falling back on his hereditary rank is the one who actually knows what they're talking about, against a seasoned officer that outranks him yet is in over his head.
>>728117016
>>728117061
He's da hair apparent

Sort of like how the dauphin of France at times had command of armies, Arthas at that point was commanding a significant portion of the king's forces including knights. Uther is merely the commander of a paladin order, a glorified mercenary.

>>728103262
why did he turn into a bad guy again? killing everyone was a reasonable decision

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>>728116860
Not really. Uther is an adult male, a grizzled veteran and the leader of an organization, not a five year old.
Instead of crying about it and watching from a distance (being there when it was over just to whine about it) he could have come up with some kind of solution, admitted to not having a solution, tried to figure out on his own what was going on, use any degree of problem solving or critical thinking or done literally anything at all during the Third War.
It's funny to me that the leader of the Paladins, famed for their ability to wield the light against the undead and demons, did literally, LITERALLY nothing during an undead and demon invasion despite being at ground zero of it.
Regardless of anything Arthas did or did not do, anyone who defends Uther is a retard.

>>728117450
the story said so

>>728117450
Everyone else on Azeroth was doing so little about dealing with the end times that it drove him insane.

>>728117496
yeah the fact that uther just leaves, essentially (in his mind) condemning an entire city to death is a bit odd.

>>728117392
>Denathrius wouldn't be doing shit as far as stratholme was concerned.
Dreadlords were created by Denathrius as infiltrators that report directly to him unless that's been retconned now. So Mal'Ganis would've been an agent of Denathrius. SL lore is just retarded.

>>728117298
Him going too hard was all part of the plan.
Arthas was put before that decision already strung-out and desperate from the previous Scourge attacks.

>>728117450
>>728117508
Arthas was stripped of his closes allies by that decision due to all the 4D chess.
His own morals were ruined in the process of killing the innocent townsfolk, and he became so desperate after Mal'ganis did his spiel that he tunnel focused on doing ANYTHING needed to kill him and end the threat.

So when he goes to Northrend and comes across the legend of Frostmourne, he beelines for it, burns his ships when Uther MUH FEELZ tries to call everyone back, and grabs Frostmourne.

From that point on his soul was lost to the sword, and he was under the Lich King's control.
Just. As. Planned.

>>728108625
>>728109585
in the end the point is more like "there may have been alternatives to at least save SOME people" like a quarantine while also trying to keep the enemy from getting to them. Which would have been harder but still possible.

After all in lore at least not ALL grain was poisoned, it just had it mixed inside. So at least lore wise only a fraction of the population was actually infected yet all were culled.

>>728117718
>mal'ganis couldn't POSSIBLY have any agency or masterminded anything because uh, uh.... he has a BOSS
shut up if you cannot understand that he was given the agency to make his own schemes.

WC3’s writing is juvenile shit.
There was no nuance intended in this situation at all, you were meant to see Arthas as hitler here.

>>728117780
there is literally no time for any of that.
right in the middle of killing the townsfolk as fast as possible they turn and start killing the rest.

>>728117823
No, you are just too retarded and immature to appreciate the brilliance of how a situation was carefully engineered to drive characters apart.

>>728117804
Okay, I'm too caught up on how retarded modern WoW lore is and missed your point, yes, that was probably entirely Mal'Ganis' planning. The lore still goes out of its way to call the Nathrezim clever after all.

>>728117963
>No
Uther is constantly told in canon that he did nothing wrong and that Arthas was in the complete wrong. Blizzard has repeatedly returned to the Culling after Warcraft III to make Arthas look worse.
The funniest thing is that they have it backwards, rather than trying to make Arthas look worse, they should have put even the tiniest amount of effort into making Uther seem more reasonable.
Blizzard has a huge problem with not realizing that most of their 'heroes' are written like they are drooling retards or children and try to compensate for it by making villains cartoonishly evil.

>>728117624
Every time a thread like this pops up I hate Uther more and more. Imagine just bailing on a city that you knew the prince was going to purge.

>>728118174
especially when he's supposed to be the most paladin who has ever paladin'd lmfao

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Any Gnosis holders in the chat

>>728103262
Arthas was objectively in the right here. Like to the point where there's no real argument against him, it's better for the people to get killed by him than turned into undead. It's a fucked up situation but there really isn't another way around it than that unless you're willing to let the entire city become an undead infested hellhole.

So what did Uther do after leaving a city for dead? Just seethe nearby? Go back home when actual tough decisions needed to be made?

>>728118495
If Uther had come up with any alternative at all besides doing nothing, Arthas would be in the wrong.
He didn't though so Arthas had the objectively best solution of anyone there.
>>728118550
You see him standing around in the city right after the purge so presumably. He found a really high hill and was sitting there on a beach chair eating popcorn while watching everyone die.

>>728114378
He got a new kingdom out of it with better subjects. Kel Thuzad and Anubarak are literally the best bros in all of Warcraft

>>728118440
>DnD alignment system is completely arbitrary and retarded
and water is wet

>>728116429
Why didn't Uther the supposed "paladin" stop the evil king from genociding a city? That doesn't sound very paladin like.

>>728118163
>Uther is constantly told in canon that he did nothing wrong
It looks like he did nothing pretty alright to me. Zing!

>>728117823
That's not true, you continue to play as Arthas even in the next campaign so his actions must be painted as sympathetic if not entirely correct in the big picture. Unless you're saying Hitler is a good guy, in which case your post is agreeable to me
There is a good bit of progress on Blizzard's part regarding this when compared to Starcraft, where you pretty much start episodes 2 and 3 undoing your previous work with unrelated characters.

>>728118881
you will never be a peer of Charlemagne, troglodyte

>>728117728
arthas was evil from the start, he was an evil villain raised by heros. His mask cracks all the time and its why he was chosen by the lich king in the first place. He wasnt "strung out and desperate" he was humiliated and pissed

>>728119941
>just random bullshit that isn't true
ignored

>>728118163
you mean wow lore? fuck off lmao

>>728119028
He'd have to take up arms against Arthas and anyone siding with Arthas.
Refusing to abide the Prince's wish is one thing, actively taking up arms against him is another thing.

>>728119941
>arthas was evil from the start,
No he fucking wasn't. The entire theme of his story is "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

>>728119984
it is true, you just have no media literacy

>>728120128
>muh buzzword means I win
ignored
try actually understanding the lore and portrayal sometime, loser

>>728103262
It was a brutal solution against a "do better" (doing nothing) solution.

>>728120183
>ignored

Ok, some people only hear and see what they want. With that attitude im not surprised you believe the most basic reading of events

The fact that when Arthas trades his soul to Frostmourne, he does it by begging the sword to "save my people" rather than to "give me the strength to destroy Mal'ganis" indicates that up until Arthas picked up Frostmourne, he had the true and noble heart of a monarch willing to do literally anything to save his kingdom.

>>728120306
>retard describes himself and tries to be condescending about it
chat gpt

>>728103262
No, it was a bad plot device to advance a rehashed, reused story.

Why do you keep spamming this?

>>728119984
Most of his issues are directly caused by his pride and ego.

>>728120373
>stuff thats irrelevant to mal'ganis manipulations beyond choosing him to manipulate
ignored.

>>728116429
>as if I could forget
merely indicates his bitterness towards his friend for pulling the seniority card to contradict him in the middle of doing what he thought would save the realm

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>>728103262
Uther is the most retarded man to ever exist in Warcraft lore. I make this distinction because every single woman in Warcraft lore is just as retarded and useless, to the point where a woman has never actually done anything that even remotely helped their faction or the world.

>>728114304
Covid brought us to the brink of destruction, but thanks to swift government action we survived.

>>728120359
>ignored
>replies 3 times

Pathetic

>>728120635
>seething over their bullshit being ignored
>continuing to project
Not being perfect isn't being evil, child.

>>728120689
>4x

>>728116570
Why do people act like Stratholme isn't likely the second largest human city on the entire planet?
>hurr just quarantine everyone, give every single peasant a bodyguard to execute them if they turn into a zombie, it wont be a logistical nightmare filled with panicking people and trigger happy footmen who don't want to die themselves

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>an action is evil because it makes me feel bad and I personally don't have the strength of will to carry it out despite the necessity of it
Arthas purging Stratholme was the only right choice and he made it in record time. Uther failed the test of character and abandoned him, exactly like Jaina.

Had neither of them abandoned him, he might not have made as rash choices as he did following that and may not have been damned. He was only damned the moment he claimed Frostmourne, and the only reason he did was because the situation was desperate enough for Muradin to mention its existence to him. Had Uther and Jaina followed him to Northrend they would have wiped out Mal'ganis together and went home.

>>728120941
Uther also failed the test of character when he abandoned the people of Stratholme to die by Arthas's hand. If his morals are so strong that they would favor the destruction of the entire kingdom over the deaths of the innocent civilians of Stratholme, he is obligated to put himself between Arthas and the civilians. Instead he walks away to let them die anyways.
He would have been wrong to fight Arthas over Stratholme, but at least he would have been consistent with his own self righteous morals.

>>728120832
because MUH FEELZ is all they care about.
they are selfish and egotistical

>>728117780
That would make sense if there wasn't a 20 foot tall demon leading a band of undead through the city. Reforged even puts the time travel dungeon bosses into random houses, so the city is effectively held by the scourge.

Uther knew an Arthas bitch-fit would've been more damaging to the Kingdom of Lordaeron than any other possible outcome. And he was right when Arthas proceeded to have a melty anyways and chase MalGanis to Northrend.

>>728112878
I like WC3 threads. They're comfy.

I swear people come up with solutions for this like they think they're dealing with the common cold and not a fucking zombie outbreak

>>728121274
>man absconds with legion of soldiers to the north pole
as bad as
>literally everyone in an entire kingdom is torn to shreds by the zombified corpses of their friends and family
k e k

>>728112930
It's not actually his work. The faggot was the map designer, not the story writer.

arguing about stratholme is gay, its obvious arthas was completely correct, the real question is whether it was really necessary for him to pay people to burn his own boats before telling his men to kill them all for burning their boats

>>728121413
>literally everyone in an entire kingdom is torn to shreds by the zombified corpses of their friends and family
this is what Arthas caused though. I dont get it.

>>728109305
>it was a devious plot that split uther and jaina from arthas, further isolating him while firmly getting him into the "no matter the cost I will save my people" mindset.
He was weird about that a few missions prior in WC3
>>728112904
He goes mad with revenge when it's over and was obviously going to be a bad guy before that happened. He's got like two missions where he isn't a total prick and then goes down hill in a "Ends justify the means" way.

>>728121406
Maybe Arthas could have given all the people of Strathold a shipment of Tylenol and could have ssved them. We'll never know now because of his rash decision.

>>728121942
Even if it were a direct result of Stratholme, and it wasn't, Arthas falls plenty more once he arrives in Northrend after being abandoned by his friends; that would mean the choice was:
>Lordaeron is destroyed in the immediate aftermath of Stratholme
vs
>Lordaeron is destroyed several months later
Which would still make purging Stratholme the better decision. But again, Stratholme didn't turn Arthas into the death knight.

>>728121406
i mean people unionically relate the coof to it as a gotcha. As if it is at all comparable. Unsurprising how many people just cant fucking imagine context changing shit.

>>728111146
yikes

>>728122257
It's been 5 fucking years, people still haven't come to terms with the fact that it's basically just the flu?

>>728122041
If Arthas was insane with vengeance, he would have begged Frostmourne to kill Mal'ganis. Instead he says he will pay any price (knowing it means he is paying with his own life) if Frostmourne will save his people.

>>728122178
Why would Stratholme receiving infected grain spell the immediate end of Lordaeron? Same shit happened in Hearthglen and Andorhol and they managed to unfuck those cities. Maybe Stratholme would be worse but at this point the Scourge is on the backfoot.

>>728122327
I mean even if the coof was at the most fearmongered like 5% lethality only killing young, it still wouldnt be at all comparable to a death sentence magic plague that taints the soul and zombifies them. Inherently the context of both is so wildly different that of course the government response would change.

>>728122549
Because its the 2nd largest human city you fucking moron.
it would boost the scourge's numbers MASSIVELY
do you fucking retards not read anything, ever?

>>728122549
Stratholme is the second largest city in Lordaeron, and with the other major human factions still rebuilding after the second war, very likely the second largest human city in the world. Its population has been consuming plagued grain for an unknown quantity of time that will raise those who die of illness as zombies, who then kill and raise other civilians as even more zombies. That situation would be apocalyptic even if there wasn't a demon running around making things even worse.
All you can do is nuke the entire city, literally nothing else could work.

>>728122345
>If Arthas was insane with vengeance, he would hire mercenaries to help him destroy his own boats to sabotage his troops going home, then blame them in front of those troop and murder them
ftfy
Anyway he's got screws loose before Strath happens. The writing in wc3 isn't very nuanced.

>>728109081
>where Medihv offers Arthas an actual alternative route
Which was?

>>728122761
>>728122807
sounds awful, however, if we imagine this medieval fantasy is somewhat based on medieval society, the vast majority of Lordaeron's population is rural and not even at risk.

>>728122939
RIDE TO KALIMDOR YOUNG LICH KING

>>728122891
That's not an insane choice. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do after the guy who would have let Stratholme destroy the kingdom tries to sabotage your expedition and further endanger the kingdom.
Sucks for the mercenaries, but Lordaeron is at stake and Arthas has responsibilities to his people, not the mercenaries.

>>728123060
>Sucks for the mercenaries
and also all of the soldiers who became doomed to Arthas' army of zombies.

>>728122981
>if we imagine this fanfiction based on medieva-
shut the fuck up you retard.
the majority of humanity's population WASNT rural, because there were trolls raiding and killing them for centuries, and just recently a massive army of demon-juiced orcs came out TWICE before and nearly wiped out humanity.

The rural population FLED or were KILLED.

>>728123060
>but Lordaeron is at stake
Yeah that turned out great. It's like you guys want to miss the whole point of letting vengeance consume you.

>>728123025
Oh right, what an impeccable argument. I'm astounded Arthas wasn't convinced.

>>728123134
If dying means that the Kingdom is saved then dying is what they will do. It's what it means to be a soldier in the first place.

>>728123193
>The rural population FLED or were KILLED
source? this doesn't seem supported anywhere in any lore.
Lordaeron, at least, was prosperous and had been so for decades.
Even after Hearthglen, Andorhol, Stratholme, and even Lordaeron City got fucked by the Scourge, the Alliance still has new recruits amongst the ruins... because most people don't even live in cities. It was only after the blight took complete control of the now-Plaguelands did human life become impossible to sustain

>>728123392
>source on what happened to everyone that DIDN'T flee to walls when the mega-death army nearly killed everyone?

disingenous nigger faggot.

>>728123210
Honestly I don't think humans post WC2 would really listen to the idea of bailing on the EK to fight the burning legion on Kalimdor, they'd try to bolster EK, fail and then w/e idk. Pretty sure Arthas was dead set on listening to himself by that point anyway

>>728109603
Supposedly Jaine MIGHT have come up with a spell to at least identify the sick citizens from the healthy ones but once again we see that bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks.

>>728123541
Doesn't help that the suggestion to uproot your entire civilization comes from a guy you haven't even exchanged 5 sentences with in your life.

>>728123560
>Can make a soul gem to purge the demon from an orc
>Poisoned grain? NGMI

>>728123707
>it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit

>>728123703
Would it help if he explained that he was the ghost of the anti-christ who opened the Dark Portal to have the orcs invade?

>>728123524
>the mega-death army nearly killed everyone
there WAS no mega-death army until Arthas returned as a Death Knight. The Scourge was whack-a-moled each time it cropped up, until Arthas came back.
at the start of the UD WC3 campaign, it has been about 6 months since the Scourge first appeared, and everything is actually returning to normal. There are no zombies. Even the cultists have been forced into hiding.

>>728123891
Massively.

>>728109603
>the villagers were less than an hour from turning into zombies.
ehhhh this is a big gameplay concession. I really don't think it's meant to work that way.

>>728123906
Lich King had the Scourge lay low to lull Lordaeron into a false sense of security for when he sent his champion back to put a dagger in the kingdom's heart.

>>728124045
>this is a gameplay concesssion
no it isn't.
they turn in the middle of being killed.
mal'ganis shows up when they do.

>>728123906
>buh dere WAS no mega death army-
yes because arthas CULLED STRATHOLME you fucking nigger.

>>728124051
The Scourge in Northrend wasn't as strong as you might think, either. Azjol-Nerub wasn't even fully conquered as of TFT. I mean the continent was never even fully conquered and this is made clear by WotLK.
Attacking large human cities is a good plan to quickly accumulate bio-meat. But if that fails (and it did at first) then the Scourge has a big setback. But an entire human army led by Arthas? and then wholly converted to the Scourge (along with turning Arthas to your side)? That puts you back in the game. Going to Northrend was what doomed Lordaeron.

>>728123959
I suspect if he had told Terenas who he was, he would be turning into a bird and fleeing as Terenas called the guards to arrest him. And if he told Arthas, he'd be turning into a bird and fleeing as Arthas tries to beat him to death with his hammer.

>>728124178
this isnt a "death of the author" thing, if the level designer says it was a gameplay concession, then it was. it was communicated extremely poorly though.

>>728124379
Might he at least have described the power and plans of their common enemy better? Something to make Arthas suspect that he might be baited into a trap.

>>728124454
>level designers are magically writers now
>especially retards who cry about MUH FEELZ as the only explanation for why its wrong to prevent a massive zombie army from forming
Another retard.
ignored.

>>728124595
>level designers are magically writers now
you wouldnt believe what the writers thought, either

>>728103262
Uther was an in-universe boomer that thought fighting the scourge would be like fighting the orcs

>>728124649
>retard seethes and ignores the flaws to push his bullshit about MUH FEELZ

>>728123025
>Arthas
>Arthaaaaaaas
>you must organize a continent-wide exodus to Kalimdor, a totally separate continent across many miles of sea that would realistically take months or even years to organize and complete
>all while the undead plague continues to spread unabated
>you must do this instead of containing the undead plague
What the fuck did Medivh even expect to happen?

>>728124654
this is a really easy way to dismiss him but the orcs had necromancers and death knights too, unironically. it isnt his first time fighting zombies
the orcs just didnt have high enough IQ to make a magic zombie fungus that infects grain.

>>728124551
I think the only thing Medivh could have done that /might/ have worked would be to appeal to the Night Elves, as they are already aware of the Burning Legion. Wouldn't be surprised if they told him to fuck off too though. WC3 Night Elves were pricks.

>>728124692
I could just assert that canonically speaking, getting blessed in the name of the light will cure you if you've been infected. But this would disprove your pet theories.

>>728124828
>I could just assert some random bullshit that would take 9000 years
Oh look, the retard once again is foiled by the TIME LIMIT
fucking moron.

>>728124828
You could assert that but in 20+ years of increasingly degrading canon, we've still never seen anyone healed from the plague of undeath.

>>728124698
He probably expected arthas to ignore him.
A lot of people seem to act as if medivh could have given hour long speeches with research papers and power point presentations to convince people but realistically nobody was going to believe him anyways, but he still had to try to warn some people, and it worked out.

>>728124939
literally just quarantine the city and dont let anything in or out. if anyone not a zombie comes to the single entry/exit, give them a blessing and then put them into secondary quarantine.

>>728124798
Did Medivh foresee that Arthas would become a Death Knight? Would it have made sense to kill Arthas in the north for example?

>>728124828
Canonically theres been ONE person cured of the plague, it took a literal God of light, the strongest paladin alive, and the red dragons to do it, and he STILL died to it, just didnt come back as scourge

>>728125027
>dude just block the MEGA DEATH ARMY its easy lmao
oh look, the retard is foiled again by BASIC fucking info because they can't read.

>>728124945
WotLK prepatch though.
>inb4 WoW is not canon
you just invoked "20+ years of canon" so I point to something only 5 years removed from TFT

>>728125105
it's more just "the light works in mysterious ways" bro
the implication is that sometimes people are just fated to die. it was a tribute to a dead developer anyhow.

>>728125015
No, functionally what was Arthas even supposed to do if he took Medivh's advice in the first place? The logistics of such an operation would be absolutely insane, even without factoring in the supply issues (food, water, medicine, blankets/shelter, etc.) they'd run into relocating their people. Let alone the ever-growing undead army and demons that just seem to pop up at will

>>728125027
>alright men, circle the giant city and hang out at the exits waiting for the entire city to be turned into zombies and overwhelm the quarantine. Also pay no attention to the demon running around causing trouble.

>>728124945
I think there is one case, but I cant remember who, and might be getting it mixed up with the 40 other stories about how there is no cure.
I think the closest we have is Calia menethil becoming a light blessed undead, and the one guy in wrath who was a dev that died irl and they had an entire questline about trying every fucking option to no avail.

>>728125254
>pay no attention to the demon
no, you can pay attention to him, specifically so you can keep him out.

>>728125242
Jaina and pretty much every human kingdom did it
Jaina and Kultiras are the only ones that remain because Grommash kills all the others in that orc mission

>>728125242
>Arthas listens to Medivh, agrees to abandon the land of Lordaeron but try to save the people
>somehow gets a sizable portion of the population on ships headed for Kalimdor
>Cult of the Damned infiltrated the ships and infects the food supply, killing everyone anyways
Nice one, Medivh you big dumb idiot

>>728103524
Retards concept of a monarchy is the king can do whatever he wants whenever he wants, as if there's no other factions, guilds, knighthoods, vassals, politics within the kingdom that halt many legal actions

>>728104646
>listen uther, there's something about the plague you should know
arthas was going to explain, but then he decides to sperg out and say we have to skip the explanation and charge in right now (but I still have time to fire you) which leads to uther counter sperging

arthas was retarded, uther was retarded, jania was a coward. mediv was a giga retard for refusing to explain anything about why people should abandon their country and sail to unknown lands over the ocean

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>>728124828
Curing Bridenbrad took the combined efforts of 3+ demigods trying to heal him with everything they had, and mind you he wasn't even dead/zombified yet when they cured him, just dying.

And he still fucking died anyway, they only managed to save his soul.

>>728125392
Kul'tiras and Stormwind are by far the least fucked post-WC3. Alterac was already fucked prior to WC3. Lordaeron and Dalaran were directly fucked by the Scourge (but Dalaran managed to immediately start rebuilding, whereas Lordaeron got converted by blight and shit and became the Plaguelands). Gilneas and Stromgarde were not really fucked by the Scourge but got fucked prior to WoW for bizarre and contrived reasons.
Jaina took a bit of people from every kingdom presumably, maybe more from the remnants of Lordaeron and more from Kultiras just because she was the princess.

>>728125242
Assuming arthas took his advice and went to kalimdor, the best he could IS his best. As retarded as that sounds, it was either "save as many as you can" or "everyone goes down with the ship".
Maybe he could have gotten the kul'tiran navy to haul ass and recruit as many verchant vessels as they could, but youre correct that a clean effort saving as many people would have taken ages to organize and creating a mass exodus on short notice would create massive stability issues, and they didnt have time.
A lot of Arthas' campaign is him constantly being forced in no win situations where every option is shit.

>>728117780
>the people are actively turning into zombies that can turn more people into zombies
>there's a super-demon commanding the horde
>there are cultists actively turning more people and wreaking havoc
>while Arthas didn't know this at the time, the cultists are teleporting zombies out to infect the rest of the kingdom
>but Arthas did know that the cult had other plans and was working elsewhere
>so every bit of time he spends fucking around in Stratholme, the more time he gives the cult to pull shit elsewhere
>the longer he waits the more people turn and the harder it will be to kill the undead
>the longer he waits the more men he would need to handle the threat
>he is already short on men
>he would need more men to try a quarantine than he would to just purge the city
If he tried to quarantine Stratholme, Lordaeron WOULD have fallen. A quarantine would have been impossible to enforce with his small army, and there's no way for them to tell who's infected or not before it's too late, especially with how quickly the plague takes hold. While they're organizing that, people would be getting killed and turned in the city. Which just means a quarantine would have actually been "purge the city but only after everybody has already turned into zombies." With the added benefit of hindsight, it's "purge the city but only after everybody has already turned into zombies and also the entire country is being bodied by the zombies that got teleported out." Personally, I would rather be killed before becoming a flesh-eating monstrosity and killing my family.

The entire point of the Culling is that it was the only option he could take. But it served to isolate him from his friends and start pushing him down a dark path that made him pliable to the Lich King's manipulation. Nobody has ever been able to offer an alternative that wouldn't obviously fail from what Arthas knew at the time (and would even more obviously fail with what he learns soon after).

The REAL culpable of it all is Jaina not staying with Arthas
If he wasn't alone maybe he wouldn't have gone full retard when Malganis told him
>yeah bro come to this continent its totally not a trap
If jaina had been with arthas there, he wouldnt have gone
Arthas stays in Lordaeron, doesnt pick up frostmourne, lordaeron saved

>>728125242
Send mages over and create a portal network for evacuation like amini dark portal, and then destroy it when youre done.

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>>728125564
Warcraft used to have a bit more softness to its magic where sometimes things do or dont work because it's "mysterious" etc. stop acting like you don't know this.
IN GENERAL, the Light cures the plague, I don't know why you'd argue this point. it fucking kills undead units in WC3. piece it together bro. in the WotLK prepatch priests and paladins could cure people who were infected but hadnt turned.

>>728125325
>dude just keep out the shapeshifting flying demon that also is ALREADY in the city from uh.... entering the city
retard can't even make a solid argument

>>728125835
Jaina is a woman and reacted like a woman would. The real disgrace is Uther who failed the kingdom by refusing to defend it by citing his self-righteous morals while also failing his morals by walking away and letting Arthas do something he condemned as unconscionable.
Uther is a bitch.

>>728125868
>dude just evacuate the citizens who uh... you can't tell if they are infected or not
congrats you created a panic, they overwhelmed the portal, turned, and a bunch broke through the portal to go nuts on the other side
NICE PLAN RETARD.

>>728125835
Even better, the bitch could have opened her mouth and help Arthas explain to Uther that the plague spreads to quickly for anything but a culling to work.
Depending how you look at it Jaina is either written very well or very badly as a woman.

>>728125868
>mages
>being helpful
Even ignoring the fact that the Scourge already blew them the fuck out, mages wouldn't do shit

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will Midnight be good?
Legion Remix gave me an itch to come back to retail

>>728119792
>you will never be a globalist
Ya, I know that.

>>728125897
Oh boy here we go mixing up game-mechanics and lore.
Yeah you can cure disease because it's not a good business model to suddenly turn your casual MMORPG into a hardcore experience where infection = death and your soul shipped off to super-hell.

>>728126047
Dalaran hadn't been btfo yet. They had almost no information about the plague, which is why Jaina was around to begin with. She was gathering information on behalf of Dalaran.
They didn't know shit and couldn't help though.

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>>728125902
>dude just keep out the shapeshifting flying demon
you can bodyblock him in WC3.

>>728126042
Jaina's entire role throughout the series is to make the worst choice at any given moment where things may hinge upon her.
I am not joking.
That is actually how she is written.

>>728126185
To be fair, that's how every woman is written in Warcraft

>>728126146
they could've made shamans or druids be able to cure it but they didnt. its on purpose because canonically the Light cures the plague. if it was just about gameplay then any healing class could do it.

>>728126175
That's clearly an ogre.

>>728126175
>dude game mechanics don't matter there is no time limit
>dude mechanics matter we can block him while he isn't programmed to just teleport

>>728126242
but none are used repeatedly as a tool to justify major narrative twists like Jaina.

>>728126242
Sylvanas was pretty smart when she btfo the Dreadlords and took zombie Lordaeron from the Scourge. She only turns into a psychotic retard later.

>>728126267
>because canonically the Light cures the plague
No it doesn't.

>Stratholme still got turned into an undead hellhole
good job, arthas

>>728126267
source on your healers healing the infected citizens during those missions, then?

>>728126287
okay, how about, as part of the quarantine, you get some wizards to spray some demon-repellent around the city, too? probably paladins could do it for cheaper idk

>>728126362
If Arthas did not purge Stratholme would it have saved it from being an undead hellhole?

>>728126473
>dude just invent demon repellant
how about they invent non-bronze dragonflight time travel instead

>>728126031
>stay and fight
>UHH, SOMEONE COULD BE INFECTED, PLAN RUINED
>run
>UHHH SOMEONE COULD BE INFECTED, PLAN RUINED
>find a cure
>UHHH SOMEONE COULD BE INFECTED, PLAN RUINED
>breath air
>UHHH IT COULD BE INFECTED, PLAN RUINED
Give up and die then, retard.

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>>728126361
>don't mind us, we survived five years of the plague and scourge ravaging everything around us completely on accident
>its not because we're light-zealots that cast "cleanse" every five minutes... it's just random!

>>728124698
>>you must organize a continent-wide exodus to Kalimdor, a totally separate continent across many miles of sea that would realistically take months or even years to organize and complete
Nah that's just a single mission tbf to the rest of the game and it's timeline/how Warcraft handles things. I mean he was the guardian of tristfal it's not like he was a nonce. More like a ww2 vet telling you the nazis are coming and they get brushed off as a crazy man, but we didnt get that angle

>>728126545
That's a good idea, but why not just remake the universe and shape it in your image?
I'd populate it entirely with female taurens.

I dislike the fact they added secret lore about the scourge coming back before wow and burning the city down and raising everyone
Makes it seem like its still burning from when Arthas culled it

>>728126608
stay and fight WAS the plan you idiot.
they stayed and killed the villagers as much as possible before they turned.
it worked.
stop throwing a tantrum because the super-plan to put arthas in this shitty situation is inesapable.

>>728118440
On the other hand, Gary Gygax says that it's Lawful Good to kill babies of certain races because "nits make lice." It's all arbitrary. And that excerpt lacks the context that the disease is creating magic zombies.

>>728125887
>mfw I see the state of WoW

>>728126646
Why didn't they go out and cleanse the land?
Why is death even a problem in the world of warcraft? Just cast resurrection, or talk to a spirit guide each time to have them revive you.

>>728126669
Its more like your local dirty hobo screaming about how the world is about to end and the demons are coming and you have to move to Antarctica to escape them
Not very believable

>>728126775
>reee how dare certain races be doomed to be evil!
retarded newfag detected.
go over to reddit

>>728113614
No every single one of them was infected, you can see that when you play the map

>>728126810
>Why didn't they go out and cleanse the land?
they're actively trying, it's just that now the zombies are back to being sentient and they call themselves "the Forsaken"
In fact, anywhere the Scarlet Crusade has a hold, the blight (the fungal form of the plague that infects plant life) has retreated (Hearthglen, Tyr's Hand).

>>728126810
resurrection isn't a thing except for players in WoW.
its nothing but a YOU only game mechanic because of how much it breaks all sorts of writing, both previous and future.

>>728126267
Did shamans and druids have anything other than cleansing poisons/curses back in Wrath? I don't remember. Is the plague a curse, or a magical effect?

Why do quarantinefags act like an entire city's worth of people will line up in an orderly fashion when told that many if not all of them are infected with a zombie plague while they see people dying and turning into aggressive zombies?
A quarantine would be absolute fucking chaos. It would devolve into the quarantine guards having to slaughter innocent people anyways as they desperately rush the exits.

>>728126940
this is the biggest fumble in the entire development of WC3 in my opinion because it leads people to the opposite conclusion of what the writers intended, and it was an unnecessary gameplay concession.

>>728126986
Funny how none of that seems to be occurring. Instead they're perfectly content with sitting in their little cathedral being loot pinatas for roaming heroes.

>>728127037
Yeah that's my point.
Homeboy here is trying to pass off game-mechanics as canon lore.

>>728127037
Isn't there a BfA cinematic where Anduin casts mass res to turn the tide of some major battle?

>>728126878
if the local hobo was a magically empowered general who helped end the world ending war, yes.

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>>728126646
The Scarlet Crusade survived because they kill everyone on sight, plagued or not.

Which sounds familiar...

>>728127247
And it looks like a monumental effort.
He could've just waited for them to corpse-run. Lazy fags.

>>728127247
Yeah and everyone looks at him like he is Jesus because that was NEVER a thing in lore before.
It was a big deal.
Also its unsure how much of that was resurrection and how much was just super-healing when they had a bit of life left in them.

>>728127136
Hearthglen, Tyrs hand and even the Monastery are supposed to be towns with a decent population living nearby or in them
You get a glimpse of this during the dk starting zone

>>728127406
you mean the starting zone of an area made years AFTER stratholme fell?
long after stormwind got super repopulated and rebuilt?

>>728126928
I wasn't disagreeing with Gary, I was just pointing out how the excerpt that anon posted is retarded because it directly contradicts the fucking creator of D&D's view of Lawful Good. Read the reply chain, you nigger.

>>728127270
The "guardian of tirisfal" had been killed 20 years previous to the events of the game, for being a demon's bitch
Would you believe your local hobo just because he looked like Adolf Hitler?

>>728127406
Monastery is just supposed to be the monastery, they're all holed up in there iirc

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>>728127105
The plague is a disease that is magical in nature.
Presumably someone did a bunch of magic prior to turn a fungus (similar to ergot) into a zombie plague, after that, all people had to do was eat it.
But to answer your question, shamans straight up had a "cure disease" spell. I think I was wrong and that worked as well during Wrath prepatch.

What was the point of the culling if Stratholm just became a zombie infested shithole anyway?

The Scarlet Crusade always seemed to me like they survive the plague not by using the Light to cure people and more like they probably just murder anyone who might be infected.

>>728127516
The Scarlet Crusaders are literally all originally from Lordaeron. They're survivors.

>>728127105
Wrath of the Lichking is decades after the events of warcraft 3.
not even relevant to the idea of dealing with the original problems.
also what this guy said >>728127664

>>728127676
That was my point
I think during development they made stratholme burning and full of undead then they remembered the wc3 mission and that it should be either empty or a scarlet crusade town
So they added those stupid comics about kelthuzad coming back and burning down the city and raising everyone

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>>728103262
>The first Paladin
>Made a vow to protect the innocent and destroy all evil
>Just let his student slaughter innocents while crying in a corner because he got fired

>>728127676
Tragic irony.

>>728127676
>dude zombies moved in afterwards what was the point of killing thousands of would-be zombies

>>728127762
>dude this irrelevant thing is irrelevant!

>>728127762
They're a dying breed.

Whatever the Scarlet Crusade might be, they have enough population for massive armies, enough spare army to attack Northrend directly, and despite losing most of their forces in the dk intro, they had enough left in Northrend to be a threat to the alliance cucks and horde negros

>>728127676
in retrospect, every civilian killed before they turned had their souls spared a fate worse than hell

>>728128027
>faction in WoW inexplicably pulls massive armies and fleets of ships out of their asshole for no reason
Many such cases.

>>728127582
in a magic universe where space demons used funny placed rocks to do intergalactic travel and it's the body of hitler, sure. Medhiv didn't really bother to explain who he was or his relevance till jaina and thrall meet in the cave. Unless someone else forced Arthas to stop pursing the plauge and gtfo to Kalimdor he was probably wasn't going to, and Medhiv already addressed the King. This is all silly because it implied the characters in this story would listen to reason.

Why didn't Arthas just wait for them to die and res them? He's a paladin... Jainas even a mage she could have even made him water

>>728128118
Name one other

>>728128027
>>728128118
cults supported by the burning legion are good at recruiting to boost their numbers...
who would have guessed.

>>728128173
The Horde and Alliance

>>728128027
Yes various races have been at like 90% reduced population. Each group has enough meat when it's relevant

>>728128205
The horde and the alliance have massive populations that are explained in game by the cities and towns that you see
There arent suddenly massive armies of quillboar or gnolls popping up randomly

>>728128171
That would take forever. Easier to just spend an afternoon killing them all.

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>I see only Uther with wings and some other blue angel lady... before... me...
I was always so curious why he said that, glad they finally revealed the reason in shadowlands

>>728128313
>I see myself turning into a wisp and going to mega-hell, not because of the millions I killed but because of the time I called Sylvanas a bitch

In the cinematic where Arthas murders his father, are the lines about "you no longer need to bear the weight of your crown" whispered by Frostmourne to Arthas or said by Arthas to Terenas?

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>Father... I'm going to turbo gigahell because I'm so evil...
>"hmm Arthas must've done nothing wrong"
the absolute state...
of warcraft "fans"

>>728125449
Yeah, these niggas don't realize that absolute monarchies and feudal monarchies are literal polar opposites

>>728128462
Arthas saying that to his father
To the end, he still considered himself king of Lordaeron and the scourge he raised still his people
I feel better writers could have used this when doing the whole
>oh no arthas was holding back the scourge now it will run rampant and destroy the world
It comes out of nowhere when they did it

>>728128462
It's Arthas speaking, fully cognizant of all of his actions. After this, he has people refer to him as "King Arthas [of Lordaeron]" even as they serve The Lich King.

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>>728128417
Peak writing right there. Can't wait for the slop WoWfags will eat up with the new shitbowl expansion

>>728128313
>If only...I could apologize to Sylvanas for being sexist and a hecking chud...

>>728128620
All of the story for this IP is trash, you're just fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

>>728128276
Most of their member races were brought to the brink of extinction in WC3 and yet they're somehow able to conjure up massive armies and fleets in WoW. The tauren and Darkspear were about to get wiped out by random fucking level 8 trash mobs. Swathes of the Horde and Alliance get slaughtered constantly and yet they still somehow manage to produce more and more armies. It's just as silly as the Scarlet Crusade being able to produce the Scarlet Onslaught after they got bodied at the monastery, Stratholme, Hearthglen, Tyr's Hand, and the Scarlet Enclave, when the entire point of the faction is that they're holdout survivors of a collapsed kingdom, anyways.

It's just something I'm pointing out that you have to accept with WoW. There's no consistency of logistics, because armies and resources will magically appear when the writing needs them to. It's not hard sci-fi.

>>728128913
That we still get Stratholme threads 20+ years later indicates that Warcraft 3 has a story worth talking about.

>>728129021
Nah it's just people who got hit with it when it worked really well for them in their early teens. The story doesn't really deliver much in WC3, specially up to that point, most of the arguments in the thread weren't even touched on in the game in any respect. Autism.

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>>728129021
>stratholme threads ad infinitum
>no thread for GROM appreciation
sad

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>>728125887
they really did him dirty in wow lmao

>>728129675
no one cares about no-shoes, zugger

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>>728129775
Orcs wear shoes tho

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>>728129692
Many such cases.

>>728129675
Grom < Garrosh to be H senpai

>>728129851
Hah wait is that middle art supposed to be akin to Grom giving a belly cut to Manaroth so maybe he got one too? I thought his death was FUCKING AWESOME AND SWEET when I first played the game forever ago but replaying it earlier this year. It just seems that he dies from standing in front of Manaroth while he explodes, there's no real wound on Grom after

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>>728130061
thrall cucking to warlocks to justify why orcs can play as that class is so fucking stupid.
if you play as a human, canonically you have to go underground and hide the fact you're a warlock; your trainers are hidden in basements or in shady alleys.
They could've just played the same angle for orc warlocks; canonically shunned but you can still play as them.

>>728130127
budget probably. why make two separate CGI Grom models? shit was mad expensive in 2002.

>>728129858
i was talking more about the model, but yeah, lorewise, both arthas and kael went out like retards

at least kael didnt look hilariously bad

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>>728131145
They butchered the voice for Kael
He went from sounding like a jaded cynic to a rebellious teen

>>728130208
I think WoW justifies it pretty well. Pretty much the entire original Ragefire Chasm questline is just showing how Thrall lets warlocks into the horde to play 5D chess with them and gather information about enemy warlocks outside of the horde.

>>728114715
Beck. Beck and call, ESL.

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>>728103262
>Well, ok then Uther. I'm listening, what is your idea? I mean, if we just wait then they'll all turn into zombies and the dreadlord, Mao'ze'ganis will amassa an army and kill everyone in the continent. So, what else are we to do?

>>728114762
anon... it's an official release, not a fanwork...

>uther, there is plague like... evil plague
>patience, arthas
>but uther, the town is diseased, the undead! oh no, it's too late we need to purge the city
>what? are you mad boy? we need to talk about it
>talk? there is no time!
>if what you say is true then we must find a way to fix everything without any dead
>how?
>...
>uther?
>we need to do better
>?
>better men
>that's it, I have to do what I have to do
>you just lost your mind, arthas. I'm gonna close my eyes to avoid watching this so called "plague" and leave you to deal with this "evil plague". You can go and purge this city I don't care! waaaahhhhhhh

>>728131618
well, youll be glad to find out they changed that AGAIN, cos the actor was >>le rapist

>>728103262
Why didn't Jaina and Uther at least go attack Mal'ganis' demon camp?

Is WoW still gay?

>>728132826
Too busy doing absolutely nothing helpful.

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>>728126095
It's already shaping up to be better than Legion.

>>728127546
Gary was not the sole creator of D&D tourist

>>728131145
Kael got dragged through the mud in Shadowlands, they brought his ghost back just so Lady Vashj and some other cunt could girlboss him around and constantly belittle him.

>>728133000
You're arguing irrelevant semantics to be a faggot.

>>728133085
Kael'thas was my favorite character in WC3 and WoW kept kicking him in the dick from start to finish. They kept digging up his character assassinated corpse just to kick him in the dick again.

>>728132465
>whole situation could be resolved if men communicated
We'll fucking die on that hill

>>728133118
parroting buzzwords is not an argument

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>>728130208
Vanilla lore really didn't stand up to scrutiny, but then you weren't really supposed to think about it since Vanilla was more about the story of the individual player, not the capeshit multiverse shit it became.
I mean, Vanilla tries to pretend that tauren druids have been a thing for 10000+ years, which makes it bonkers that Cenarius would chimp out on Grom's army to begin with. Surely the tauren forces present could have easily mediated things. This also applies to Thrall's Horde being at war with the night elves at the start of Vanilla, a small disagreement over lumber rights shouldn't fucking veto the fact that Thrall's forces gave their lives to protect the world tree just 4 years prior.

>>728133202
At least Arthas had his soul literally stolen before he twisted around on his original goal of saving his people. Kael'thas ended up betraying Silvermoon immediately following the events of TFT so he could hang out shooting demon crack into his dick.

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>Jaina 'loves' Arthas
>Abandons him in his time of need
>Does nothing to save him from his fate
>Watches his very soul be dissolved
>Goes off to scissor with some MtF gnome
What the fuck is her malfunction? This isn't even mentioning the stuff with her dad.

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>>728133792
>Admiral Proudmoore looks down from sea heaven as his whore daughter cavorts with greenskins

>>728133560
nelfs in WC3 weren't logical people, they were borderline-feral ecofacists who would and did murder a noble paladin of the light for the crime of cutting down some trees
classic wow is unironically on point to show them ignoring what the gnomes/dwarves do to nature simply because it isn't happening in their back yard and instead immediately going back to killing horde the second there isn't a common enemy around