I have noticed a trend in numerous fantasy games where people use our modern phrases and terminology, sentence structure or swear words like “fuck” or “shit.” I know I’m not the only one but I was under the impression that the point of fantasy was to immerse the audience in a world different from our own, so it could distance itself from the conventions and stigmas that are in our world and not emulate them in unsavory, tasteless ways.
>>728348697Someone in witcher 2 said my way or the highway and I instantly uninstalled it. Thank you for reading my blog.
>>728348697>Fantasy game>They speak English instead of PlorgleflixyImmersion ruined
>>728348697I want a fantasy game where everyone talks like 4channers
>>728348697>I have noticed a trend in numerous fantasy games where people speak EnglishCurious.
>>728348697Its just a subset of this. They don’t actually have the sincerity or talent to write anything meaningful, it all has to talk like Commiefornia and Marvel.
>>728348697There should be cutscene skip button, voiceline mute button, and subtitle off button in all video games.
>>728348785Are you retarded, like actually mentally handicapped?
>>728348697People said fuck and shit in the past as well
>>728348910I'm sick of people reposting this image because shredded nerd thinks he's 10x more intelligent than he actually is. Reminds me of matthewmatosis. Or really anyone that makes video essays about literally anything.
>>728348697Are you the same retard who complained Ragnarok uses the word "kid?" Because it came into usage in the 13th century and has roots in even older Nordic vocabulary meaning "little goat."
>>728348697It is lazy writing and bothers me as well
>>728349041The point is that milennials ruined gaming, not gen z
>>728348931That barely accomplishes anything because all the other aspects (we'll assume they are positive) are still forced to exist within context of the writing. Perhaps having a default gamemode of NO STORY that disables all of it right from the outset would be preferable.But thats not a good look for the writers and they dont have any other skills so we cant let them lose they job
>>728348697I'm writing a fantasy comedy/eroge script atm and I make it a point to every so often throw in a phrase like "Jesus Christ!" to piss off anyone taking it too seriously
>So... I'm non-binary.
>>728349161Are there any high profile gen z game directors or writers yet?
>>728348697>i noticed a trend but instead of looking it up and seeing that my irritation is misplaced i decided to make a thread
>>728349305Wokeguard introduced liberal city population to everything and now every setting feels the same
>>728348697This really took me out of E33. I think I wouldn't have minded if they only swore in French.
>>728348762>>728348785>>728348996>>728349356Why the fuck are there so many redditors in every thread these days
>>728349341Nope
>>728348910randy is 54 years old and not a millennial
>>728349440why don't you tell me, /thedonald/?
>>728349250>I made my litrpg dungeon keeper story shit on purposeClassic royalroad.
>>728348752Highway isn't a new term. Ever heard of a highwayman? I wish I could uninstall you
>>728349041zoomer thought leaders like shreddednerd are pretty much all unanimously dumb. Even the millennial ones. NakeyJakey exercise ball man is imo the worst one and nobody talks about him enough.
>>728348697To add to this, I dont like how humans in fantasy settings (BG3 for primary example) are all absurdly diverse in skintone and physiognomy. It makes no sense and its immediately obvious that it is the way it is because "racial homogenity is objectively evil and sinful unless you are jewish" or somethimg
>>728349112It still refers to a juvenile goat here.
>>728349524what is your brain damage?
>>728348697The problem is that you have people who can't write with that in mind and lack editors with the balls to correct them.
>>728349593The phrase on the other hand is Mr. Delayed Abortion.
>>728348697Fantasy is about doing ayran genocide.
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>>728349679Mr. Abortion is my father, just call me delayed
>>728349041Just 1 minute of seeing ShreddedNerd's twitter page and you will realize how much of a gigaretard he is indeed
>>728349924I'm terribly sorry about the mix-up. The phrase my way or the highway triggered latent memories of the song My way or the highway by Y&Y and I got confused.
>>728348697You expect something from an expertise that no longer exists. A writer today is either a twitter user or a reviewer from any kind of news outlet who went far and beyond in bed or simply used nepotism.
>>728349607>To add to this, I dont like how humans in fantasy settings (BG3 for primary example) are all absurdly diverse in skintone and physiognomy. It makes no sense and its immediately obvious that it is the way it is because "racial homogenity is objectively evil and sinful unless you are jewish" or somethimgThat's because you know fuck-all about the setting. 1. The city of Baldur's Gate, thanks to CHARNAME making it safe during the Spellplague, has been flooded with around 40,000 refugees from all over Faerun.2. The continent itself has seen several continent-spanning empires, including one that intentionally used the Russian/Soviet tactic of forcibly relocating populations to cut them off from their cultural roots.3. Baldur's Gate was specifically a pirate cove and not part of any nation/ethnicity. It was literally a place where pirates from around the world had a safe harbour.
>>728348752many are saying this
People laugh at fake swear words but this is why I like them, it adds a tinge of fantasy to the setting.I like 40k's substitution of "kark" for "fuck", it sounds like it might be a far off version of the word.
>>728350352We're too high-brow for silly things like that taffer. Only mature and thought-provoking swears like FUCK and SHIT and ASSHAT allowed in the modern age.
>>728349161Only because gen z loves consuming millenialsloppa
>>728350352>FETH!
This is one of the reasons Miyazaki's pretentious english is souls games is actually kino
>>728348697Because ALL modern writers are hacks.
>game set in medieval England >set before the Great Vowel Shift >dialogue doesn't sound like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BckzvQn57ZI
>>728350439We're not though, Darktide is a great example.
>>728350256>you know fuck-all about the setting. Correct. I tend to avoid troonshit like this. There seems to be a pretty strong consesus that DnD has been utterly pozzed over the years like a lot of other nerdshit. Sad! But i always thought it was gay so idc.>been flooded with around 40,000 refugees from all over Faerun.How convenient for the globohomo-worshipping writers.>"it..it fucking makes sense in-universe tho you bigoted little shit! therefore its le good!"Ok. But racial diversity is inherently unnatural and disappears within a few generations. All I see is unhinged activism that was fed to a "writer" while they got their degree in gigafaggotry 101 or whatever.
>>728350836Antisemitic piece of shit.
>>728351154Oh are we doing random nonsequiturs now? >Holds up spork
>>728351247>twiddles thumbs, pulls out rat
always cracks me up when fictional universes accidentally reference real world. "they almost turned us into swiss cheese" is a classic.
>>728349593My ancestors never said that phrase, not even once.
>>728348910There was this one game, The Messenger, that on itself was a fantastic fucking gameBut the second a textbox pops up you can feel the awkwardness its very author felt writing it, the most egregious cases being the shopkeeper's secret dialogues where he drops all pretenses. It gave me the impression that he tried to play it straight for a while until the author was too embarrassed himself to write a feudal ninja story and play it straight. It's an awkward mess of insincerity that he locked himself into, as if he had to commit or otherwise he had rewrite everythingIt is exhausting, because it would have made an easy 9/10 game were it not for the writingWhich brings me to this other topic, I was recently reading the new thor comics and I enjoyed a lot how committed the writer was to the way every character speaks, the gods speak in this fancy archaic way, the mortals speak in modern urban, thugs and the likes talk in near ebonics, etc, but it was refreshing and very welcome seeing characters speaking in an educated and thoughtful wayI think that's part of what we're unconsciously missing nowadays, in being the coolest, tuffest lad around we're deforming the language into strange ways. And we're also getting too old to say shit like that instead of "toughest guy around". The industry may not like it, but the youngest kids only play roblox fortnite and phone crap, instead of traditional games, no matter how much you appeal to them
>>728349679nobody ever rhymed in the past and they only ate stale bread and fish
>>728348697The earliest written evidence of English people using "fuck" as a swear word is from the 15th century.
>>728352316good fuckin mornin mlord innit
>>728351330Also calling machine guns Gatling guns implying existence of fantasy Richard Jordan Gatling, or calling bottle explosives Molotovs implying existence of fantasy Vyacheslav Molotov.
>>728352494>>728351330Strangereal is a weird one since it's so close to real life earth it might actually just have a Champagne region, a strangereal Mikoyan Gurevich, etc.The Italian Bistro line in 7 was funny though.
>>728348752JOHN OTTO
>>728349041>can't refute what he said>(yous) can't either
>>728352316Did they use it every second sentence and do a little wink at a camera
>>728348697It makes americanormalfags feel like it's realistic
>>728348697This has been happening for a long time now zoom zoom. And it's also not all media. FFXIV still uses phrases like "must needs" and "dost thou" a lot. Elden Ring too. But the reality is that it's all made up. It's media. Your "muh immersion" argument is different for everyone. Your picrel isn't really a good example either, considering the audience.
>>728351330congratulations to those guys for having such charismatic food that people take it for granted. that is genuinely impressive.
>>728348697Speaking the same language helps with immersion. The main problem is that the writers write with a very specific eras of English, contemporary English, that makes it suck balls. Take Japanese games for example, whenever they do like fantasy Japanese period stuff, they use more flowery Japanese, rather than modern day contemporary zoomerisms.
>>728352856No because cameras hadn't been invented back then.
>>728351059Forgotten realms pre-dates wokeshit by decades of years.
>>728348697People talk about Kastratos but people don't talk about obese Thor.
>>728348697Is the guy on the right Thor? Looks like your average snoyshitter
>>728348697>playing horizon whatever west>the game makes a big deal about the people not knowing what a "jackpot" is, makes sense>5 minute's later an NPC refers to someone else as a "jackass"
>>728348697You think people didn't cuss in the 1300s or whatever? They totally did. Where do you think "faggot" came from?
>>728349492so is Joss Whedon what's your point? Millennial writing wasn't created by millennials its what they absorbed and what influences them.
Fantasy was always a soicoded. There's a reason Tolkien hated LOTR fans and did everything in his power to not let Disney get the rights to it. If you're a fantasy fan you're not much better than somebody who watches MCU or collects funkopops
>>728348697Fuck and shit are literally some of the oldest words we have lmfao
>>728348697>christian larpers on /v/ are against swearing now.
>>728348697I don't really care anon, I'm not that autistic.
>>728348697The true reason is because Gen Z has never touched a tabletop DnD game in their life so they wouldn't understand and call it "cringe". It's a generation that has no idea what immersion is because their only entertainment are mouthbreathing youtubers and twitch streamers so the market has to cater to them.
>ITT no one has ever read a book and unironically thinks LOTR, alice, narnia etc. was written like shakespeare and not the prose of the timeyou niggers would be getting upset at the divine comedy refencing figures of the day
>>728354714Ive always wanted to play dnd but, I also feel that I would feel too much of a dork and not like it.
>>728349041it's not about random celebrity, it's about a point he maid
>>728352019kek
>>728348697Yeah, why don't they make up goofy ass fantasy swear words that invariably sound fucking retarded?
>>728354408Saying fuck in general makes you look retarded.You're not in kindergarten anymore you toddler.
>>728348697People can’t understand words longer than four letters these day. My work sent a memo to everyone to use simpler language in emails so as not to confuse retards and esls. One example was to use “like” instead of “similar”
>>728355805Toddlers don't swear, gaycunt.
>>728355860You just did.
>>728355818Many folk will traverse grand distances just so they can claimeth they art more kindred than those of whom art kindred in earnest.
>>728349305>...Are you, though?
>>728351526Your ancestors mutilated each others genitals and made clicking noises before being chained up and put on a boat.
>>728351526Well yeah, because they couldn't speak English
>>728352009BY ODIN'S FADE
>>728355805>A high verbal fluency correlates with a high IQ with their swearing, verbal fluency. And guess what? Positive correlation. People with the highest vocabulary generally have a higher vocabulary of swear words. Oops, looks like you're full of shit. https://www.apa.org/news/podcasts/speaking-of-psychology/swearing
>>728353243Right, MGS1 didn't exist back then.
>>728348762>foreign tribal/ethnic movies/gaymes>speaks EnglishWAAAAAH NOT REALISTIC>Gladiator movie>roman empire>speaks EnglishWAAW 10/10 OSCAR DESERVES GOAT EVERR I CRIED
>>728349112how about the side characters acting like MCU """"""""""comedic relief"""""""""" goons
>>728353353It is proto-woke shit though.
Troons will have a meltdown at this but fantasy is always better when they try to make it unique. Guards in thief calling you taffer and greyniggers in morrowind calling you n'wah will always beat someone going ''fook fook, shit, I fookin' shit meself bitch''
>medieval game>characters speak early modern english instead of middle english
>>728348697Yeah this shit pisses me off too. I don't mind swearing but it's just this HBO shit where rather than trying to write characters in character they just write everyone as crass as possbile because crass = realistic dialogue because dood did you know people have been saying fuck for 9000 years bro.
>>728356643You mean like the guy who shapeshifted into a female horse to get fucked and give birth?
>>728356839idk, I think melting-pot locales can be done well if done right. Modern writers just use the setting as a "my far-left perspective is the only right one" though which limits the potential of a setting to a joke.
>>728348752your mother sucks dwarf cock
It would be great if a fantasy game had dialogue written like in the tv show Spartacus. But that would take effort... so yeah.
>people here don’t even know the origin of the word fuckgo back to tiktok you idiots
These thread is literally >american education Do you really think people started swearing like 200 years ago.Also keep in mind that 90 percent were peasants and low class throughout the middle ages, and even knights and nobility where often shitbags who couldn‘t read. The bible and the mass were in Latin so you couldn‘t pick up flowery language from there either.>muh sagas >muh poems Yeah they written by the few who were educated and talented in crafting language, and we’re appreciatied as an art form but nobody talked like that.So yeah, a lot of people in the Middle ages would have talked in a way that would have made op faint.
>>728348697If fantasy games used middle english, nobody would understand them. If they used faux early modern english, it would sound like reneissance fair larp. There is no right option.
>>728360153That is not to say that you could in a game go for more heightened tone and language similar to a saga or arthurian romance, instead of gritty realism that game of thrones and the witcher made popular (and existed before them too to be fair.)
>>728348697How about "bastard" or "nigger". Are those words okay?
>>728360283They usually give them a weird British accent and that's about it. But im on the fence on having a game where the language is in old English. If could be cool if done right, but not too heavy.
>>728350352Just too many authors for much of it to ever stick around and stay consistent in the setting.They hardly managed making amasec and lho a common thing, once you want your MC to get a coffee the synth-words are already getting muddy
Thor using the word “ain’t” and “y’all” was retarded. So was Odin using the word “ex” to refer to his wife. Fucking millenial writing.
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>>728353353I played pen and paper ADnD (2nd edition) and later DnD (3rd edition) with school friends over 20 years ago. I read the Forgotten Realms campaign setting often. I don't remember any wokeshit. I don't remember it in BG 2 either, at least not to BG3 extent. Sex changing magic item victims were used as a butt of jokes, for example. That would not fly in a woke story, which often treats troons with silver gloves.
>>728364212?
>Play any game set in a Medieval European setting ever>Start shitting myself out of rage because people speak understandable English that doesn't require me to open up a special thesaurus on my computer so I can figure out what the fuck they're saying
>>728355330The difference is that the prose back then (say the 1950s, when LOTR was written) wasn't cringe. It's cringe today.
>>728356501BY ZEUS'S GYATT
>>728361106"Bastard" is a great insult, since illegitimate heirs have always been relevant. "Nigger" is anachronistic since that's a New World term
>>728348697there's nothing "modern" about fuck or shit you fucking philistine, fuck is just the anglicization of the german words ficke and sheiße, you fucking stupid brownoid subhuman
>>728349607Brown elves make me puke
>ITT: retards who think speaking English (so that we can understand it) and peppering it with out of place modern slang (making it feel like its set in downtown manhattan or detroit despite being in what looks like ancient times) is equivalent to each other
>>728361340What the fuck do you mean "not too heavy?" Old English is functionally a foreign language. It is almost, if not entirely, indecipherable to a Modern English speaker.
>>728366841>fuck, shit>modern slangWhat the absolute fuck.
>>728366870He thinks "Old English" means Shakespearean English
>>728366612What about dark elves, smart guy?
>>728360153if you want the characters to be vulgar, at least have them speak vulgarly in a more cool and relatively authentic way.Here's a snippet of a norse poem where a viking princess is having an argument back and forth with her undead father>Then said Angantyr:>“Hervor, daughter,>what drives you to call so?>Brimful of bale-runes,>you’re bound for grief.>You’re out of your mind,>mad have you gone,>lost your wits now,>waking up dead men.>A father did not>dig my grave,>no parent buried me,>nor other kinsmen;>they had Tyrfing,>the two who lived,>though the owner was>but one in the end.”>She said:>“It’s a lie what you say—>may the god only let you>sit hale in your howe>if you have not got it>laid in there with you;>reluctant you are>heirlooms to share>with your only child.”>Then the mound opened and it was as though the whole barrow was fire and flame. And Angantyr said:>“Hellgate gapes>and graves open,>all is fire>on the island’s rim;>it’s grim outside>to gaze around;>shift yourself, girl,>if you can, to your ships.”>She answers:>“You can’t burn>any bonfires by night,>no flames flaring>to frighten me;>your daughter’s mind>does not tremble>though dead men there>in the door she see.”>Yeah they written by the few who were educated and talented in crafting language, and we’re appreciatied as an art form but nobody talked like that.The game is depicting mythological subject matter. Why would you avoid writing it in the way that mythological stories were told by the pagan germanics (sagas and epic poetry)?
>>728356541Damn, the junkie living under the bridge who hurls racial slurs at the elderly must be Einstein himself.>random podcastMake sure you slit your wrists vertically and not horizontally. If you need to be spoonfed an opinion then you're a leech.
>>728366931I highly doubt members of nobility and clergy (and it doesn't get more noble than being a fucking god) would've used such vulgar language, at least in a public setting. Honestly, filthy Vikings? Probably. But still. What's even the point of depicting a character like Odin or Thor when they act nothing like how would you expect them to?
I saw all the cutscenes for the new god of war games and i actually quite liked it. Especially that thor is a fat alcoholic with an abusive father. Gameplay looked like complete dogshit slop though, it's kind of a shame the whole projects had to be divided out like that.
>>728367231I played it and have the opposite opinion. The story and characters were dogshit but I found the gameplay fun and did a lot of the side stuff
>>728367231>I especially liked the homosexual fanfiction where a divine being had daddy issuesdifferent strokes for different folks, I guess, but I think this folk in particular had a stroke.
>>728367440I think this folk in particular was stroking himself to gay porn
>>728367440I guess I'm not too familiar with the actual myth. Isn't it in character for Odin to be a Machiavellian prick?
>>728366931it's the difference between "Hey Bertrand, you can go fuck yourself with that dildo you call a sword, asshole! Get the fuck out of my castle!" and "See that knight there, sire? Many say Sir Bertrand is a lecher, a whoremonger and pervert who leer even upon the wretched daughters of King Tibault. It is even said that he had fucked as many village women as he had put to the blade. He is an utter degenerate, I implore you, sire, give him not the time of day. Nothing good would come out of it.". it's quite subtle, really.
>>728367580The problem isn't that Odin is a Machiavellian prick. The problem is that he talks like a middle-aged Jew in modern-day New York. It's purely a matter of diction
>>728367580He's the father of order and righteousness. He plays a major cosmological role in upholding law and order, as is seen in the poem Grimnismal. He will often trick or deceive people in order to get something that he wants, but the people he is typically tricking and deceiving a Jotnar, which are roughly comparable to demons. These are the same creatures that the extremely morally-uncomplicated good guy Thor butchers by the thousands every day in norse mythology. Thor explains pointblank in Harbarthsljoth that Jotnar kill and displace humans, and then in the poem Voluspa, the Jotnar famously destroy the entire universe.
>>728367868Good to know thanks.
>>728351059So you just don't know what you're talking about and are too retarded to ever change that?
>>728348697Westslop is soullessIf you want to get immersed the devs need to invent a fictional language but only Japs do this
>>728356898Absolutely wrong. The best kind of fantasy is everyone acting like 21st century British people and getting boozed up in a medieval village. A gnome calling you a dirty N'yigger is boring
>>728352758TAKE EM TO THE MATHEWS BRIDGE
>>728368410>westslop is soulless>posts a genre that is inspired and shaped by wizardryweebs never really learn do they
>>728358731She learned it from your mother.
>>728348697People are fixated on the swearing being present at all, but I think the problem is more that modern writers struggle to understand when it's appropriate for the character and scene. And they tend to view speaking politely or formally as a complete facade and everyone immediately reverts to talking like a sailor behind closed doors. The concept that courtesy could be ingrained deeper than the surface eludes them. Not to say high class characters can't speak more casually when they're relaxed, but the distinction between casual and crude is carelessly blurred.But I guess this reflects a broader issue of modern writers not being able to escape their modern notions of class.
>>728367093Ya think that the average viking was talking like a skaldic poet?
>>728348697only dragon's dogma does it well
>>728368756reciting poetry from memory and coming up with insults in poetic meter (flyting) were popular viking pastimes, so they were probably a lot more eloquent than the mental image you have of a bunch of cavemen on a boat.
>>728348697Fuck fuck shit fuck this fucking guy is styling on me by odin's beard I'm about to cap and rape his ass forsooth
>>728368909rap battles? were the original vikings actually BLACK...?
>>728348697I noticed this while watching The Strain. There was a point in the series where it seemed like it switched writers. Two middle aged men having a conversation and using terms like "mood". Completely immersion breaking. It felt like it was written by a female millennial hipster. They might as well have started talking about their doggos and puppers while drinking bubble tea they ordered on doordash. It's a weakness in writing to not write in the characters cadence, writing every character how you would speak. A middle aged man probably isn't going to speak like a hipster. He might use terms like right on, or oh yeah man.I get what you're saying, it would be tonally awkward to have Odin saying ongod frfr ngl thats goated unless you were doing it as some kind of joke character, which was probably the intention of the writers anyways. The norse gods are chuds so we have to make them out to be silly because chuds revere them. We must be better men and smash the patriarchy, sisters.On an unrelated note, I feel like the new writers of this series are attacking a straw man. Kratos was a ridiculous joke character who everyone thought was hilarious. He wasn't a role model, he was a clown we all laughed at. They don't need to correct the record because they've misinterpreted the tone of the original. Kratos doesn't need to become a cuck to teach the chuds a lesson he was already satirical. Media literacy fail.
>>728368998yepthey were gay and jewish, too
>>728368396 Damn dude, you in here swinging with no gloves on. Take a breath, wipe the drool off your chin, and try forming a coherent thought before flinging whatever that was. You’re sounding more seething than a Dark Souls invader after getting parried by a naked guy with a caestus.
>>728368998No it's just another one of the countless cases where niggers stole something and tried to claim as their culture.
>>728368909Documented flyting is all vulgar.Loki goes around calling all the Goddesses whores in his flyting in Lokasenna.
>>728367669>Why can't all fantasy be purple prose?
>>728360153This is what makes it egregious when a powerful character talks crudely, outside of scenes where you're trying to make a point of it. Formal speech practically exists to delineate between classes. You think nobles and merchants were talking like filthy commoners in private? Might as well start rolling with the pigs.
>>728369229That's not what purple prose is.
>>728348697its called "bad writing". Witcher did seem to popularise it though, i've never read the slop-books though, so i dunno if its something he did in the books or not.
>>728369227yeah but did he only know the word whore and constantly interjected it during dialogue?
>ok
>>728348697If they spoke like actual norse people of the time you wouldn't understand a word they said. Also likely true if they spoke english that old. Whatever you think it's supposed to sound like while still being understandable to a 21st century english speaker is likely not accurate either.
>>728369227Lokasenna is a special case, because Loki in the poem is acting extremely true to form in being an unrepentantly awful, slanderous cunt. The poem begins with him murdering a servant out of petty jealously, which prompted the gods to toss him out of the hall they were in. He shows up again letter and tells the doorman specifically that he came back because he wanted to be the most awful cunt he could and ruin everyone's day for the crime of slapping him on the wrist for murder.The flyting gets so out of hand that Thor travels back across the world to tell Loki to fuck off or he'll kill him, and Loki flees in terror and disguises himself as a fish.Actual good-natured flyting between acquaintances would hardly be this vulgar.
>>728348752I loved how the first game used random slurs from my native language that I never knew of, turns out they were rather common urban insults of the ~16th century which I found to be kinda neat.
Counterpoint
>>728348697After a quick look, it seems like fuck is Germanic and was in use when only like 1% of the population could read and write, and if they could, wouldn't be writing words like fuck. So who knows how old it is.But sure okay, fuck is explicitly European and is used in fantasy games where a literal Europe doesn't exist. The only option is to invent swear words which is always risky. Either it works or it becomes a meme. So most writers stick with the safe option.
>>728369221Isn't that what people do when they lump scandanavian culture in with a bunch of other distinct cultures/ethncities, call it "white", then try to claim authority over it even though it's very unlikely they have any of that actual ethnic heritage?
>>728354320The implication of the term "millennial writing" is that millennials created it. Just use a more accurate term like "Boomer/GenX hipster nerd writing" or "Hipster shitlib nerd writing" which is more accurate and honest than the retarded generational shitflinging.>>728349161Again, that's Gen X that did that. Millennials are in the same boat zoomers are in albeit a bit less fucked than them. I will never get the fake and gay war between zoomers and millennials when early Gen X and the boomer generations should draw more ire for ruining the entire political, social and cultural landscape of America.
>>728349631/Gamingcirclejerk/
>>728348697Fuck and shit are actually pretty old words so I don't mind it too much. Ragnarok flopped in dialogue though due to many characters talking like Californians and making shitty Marvel quips
>>728367580Odin is a complex character. He is even easily confused for Loki, in some stories. He adopts many poetic pseudonyms and they're often pretty obvious regarding what they're meant to tell you about his character. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_of_OdinSnorri Sturluson (one of our main sources on the Norse Gods) reports to us a story of Odin traveling on the road and seeing 9 (a holy number in Norse myth) fit slaves working the fields. Odin approaches them and offers to sharpen their scythes for them. He does a great job and they want to buy it from them. The price he offers is cheap and they're all begging hard to get the whetstone, so he tosses it in the air and they all kill one another fighting over it. And then Odin ambles on his way. This was all according to plan for Odin. He wants fit and strong men to die fighting one another because he spirits away their souls for his use in Valhalla, where they will forever fight and train up to battle alongside him against Ragnarok. Odin is tricky, conniving, possibly insane, and murderous, but he's also infinitely wise, a teacher of men, and a leader of order against chaos. He's a god of fugue states and the dichotomy of holding power. One who slips into trances and comes out the other side with brilliance like none other, but also is utterly untrustworthy.
>>728370050the worst is odin sounding like a woody allen kike
>>728369537there is a healthy middle ground that doesn't involve characters talking in standard, 21st century dialect, though that being said>If they spoke like actual norse people of the time you wouldn't understand a word they said.isn't really the case. Norse syntax is funny and had them kind of constructing sentences in yoda-speak>Then Hymir's Kinsman ordered>The crafty god, pain-maddened,>To wile to him the Maiden>Who warded the Æsir's age-cure;>Ere long the necklace-robber,>Brísinga's thief, lured slyly>The Dame of Brunnakr's brooklet>Into the Base One's dwelling.but it is still intelligible if you think about it for a sec
>>728369745No because most of the "white" cultures actually do have a common root with other white cultures.
>>728368552based
>>728367206nice goalpost moving service you got there, retard
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>>728370447you're not in your amateur highschool debate club anymore I'll say whatever I want to say *spit*
>>728370234The excerpt you're referencing about the whetstone comes from the story of the retrieval of Othrerir in Skaldskaparmal. Odin killed the slaves so that he could work the fields, and then the Jotnar who ran the fields would let Odin have a sip of the mead of poetry as a reward. This is also an unsourced story presented for the first time by Snorri Sturluson himself (a christian at least a couple generations removed from authentic paganism) so it is inherently suspect.
>>728369615From what I can see almost all flyting is nasty. Harbarthsljoth has Odin call Thor, poor, sexless, a coward, a cuckhold, and says that its every man for himself in the world. And then brags about stealing wives, banging tons of women, betraying jotun he made deals with, and deciding the outcomes of war favorably to himself. Nastiness seems to be the point.
>>728370234I screwed up here and forgot to say what 'it' was. It, as Odin's magical whetstone.
>>728370528shalom, hymie! still doesn't change the fact that english speakers have been saying fuck and shit for at least half a millenia, seethe and cope and go bash a hen against a table while crying
>>728370682what the fuck did you fucking say about me you fucking fucksicle? i'll fucking fuck you to the high fucks fucktard.
>>728348697I like how all the counterarguments are about how 'no one would understand the native language of the characters' when OP is clearly referring to speech patterns within English eg. the difference between saying 'I agree' and 'on god frfr'. no one likes hearing fantasy characters talking like a champagne socialist from San Francisco.
>>728368998They sure were acting like niggers.
>>728348697>I have noticed a trend in numerous fantasy games>fantasystopped reading there.
>>728370875niggers traded and sailed all over the mediterranean on the boats they built?
>>728370682There's a difference between someone saying 'fuck this' and 'fuckity fuckity this fucking stupid fucking shit.' that being one is just a regular dude and the other is a homo.
>>728370497I'm so tired of all this modern slang from the 19th century.
>>728370580Harbarthsljoth is an allegory for the cultural tensions between older generations of pagans (represented by Thor) and younger generations of pagan vikings (represented by Odin). Notice how Thor is stated to do things out of obligation, and Odin does things to seek power and glory.The poem isn't a literal, canonical event and has several points of nonsense in it that should clue you in to that fact, such as Odin saying that Thor does not have three good dwellings or even some pants (implying he is a bum), even though Thor has the mightiest of all of the halls of the gods. Thor can't just wade across the river even though Grimnismal says he wades several rivers every single day. Odin saying that might makes right despite going on about how service to the poor and needy is good and might eventually fails you in Havamal.The perceived nastiness is actually just intergenerational tensions coming to a head.
>>728370979don't talk to my conversation partner like that you asshole. i'm the only one that gets to belittle him.
>>728370794no he isn't, retard op is sperging out about words that were in use since before the time period that the shit he's complaining about was set in, if his point was about the prose then he doesn't even know how to express himself to begin with thus making any and all of his problems with it moot
>>728371094where people use our modern phrases and terminology, sentence structure or swear words like “fuck” or “shit.
What did he mean by that
>>728371146fuck and shit are not modern
>>728348697it's weirder for God of War since the old games never really swore, worse you were getting was damn but with the actual meaning of the word
>>728371094He likely explicitly states 'modern terminology' so stop lying and yes swear words were different or used differently back then as opposed to how fags on reddit use them so shut up.
>>728371272Ok. Now read the rest.
>>728370943yep. Isn't it just like niggers to have the wheel, a writing system, seafaring ships, and the ability to write excellent poetry and stories that goes on to influence culture to this day (Wagner's Ring Cycle, Hamlet, etc.)?
>>728371345try reading op's post
>>728371459I did. You didn't.
>>728371272Fuck originates from around 1475 but only referred to intercourse as an accepted term to say, it didn't get it's crude context as a swear until the 1960's. So a medieval peasant using an acceptable term of the time like its a curse is indeed odd.
Writing authentic dialogue for different cultures, time periods and religions is not as simple as more ordinary dialogue, especially English was has evolved so much in a thousand years. So I will give them a fair pass, unless its really immersion breaking with proper modern terms and slang.
>>728367093>N B434, Bryggen, Bergen, Bergen, Norway>§A Jón Silkifuð á mik, en Guðþormr Fuðsleikir §B reist mik, en Jón Fuðkula ræðr mik.>”§A Jón Silky-cunt owns me, and Guðþormr Cunt-licker §B carved me, and Jón Ball-cunt interprets me.” >N B11, Bryggen, Bergen, Bergen, Norway>§A Ferlig er fuð, sin byrli. §B Fuð-ǫrg …>”§A Monstrous is the cunt, may the penis serve. §B Cunt-perverse/nymphomania …”>N B628, Bryggen, Bergen, Bergen, Norway>§A Rannveig Rauðu ska[lt]u streða/serða. §B Þat sé meira enn manns[r]eðr ok minna enn §C hestreðr. §D …>”§A You will fuck Rannveig the red. §B It will be bigger than a mans prick and smaller than a horses prick.”
>>728371037That is assuming allegory and a wholistic view of society that we don't have much reason to think that the writer had. It isn't as though Norse literature is metaphorically sociological commonly.It is demonstrating cultural tensions, is absolutely true. But it does so in a simpler way of reflecting the differences between the Odin cult and the Thor cult and their worshippers. Odin is basically doing a Tails Gets Trolled sketch on Thor, who could murder him if he could get his hands on him, but is impotent because of the fjord's breadth at that moment. Thor's cult is consistently referenced as basically for the middle class. Not necessarily the slaves, but those that work in the middle of society as servants, common soldiers, journeymen, and frontiersmen. Odin's cult was built by the wealthy, kings, scholars, literate clergymen, warlords. There isn't a larger statement about this conflict being made here, the author isn't suggesting that the middle class kill the rich or anything like that. But it is making use of that known disparity and using it for comedic effect. The story is a comedy, and it is funny for Thor to talk about how he's honorably been going around saving the world from invading Jotun, and for Odin to laugh about how he chilled on a resort island banging tons of women.
>>728356240Haahaha
Quippy millenial writing. Everything is a parody of something original to them too.
>>728368909>and coming up with insults in poetic meter"people whose main hobby was freestyle rapping would never curse"
>>728371873>Quippy millenial writing.Gen-X*
>>728371930who said they never cursed? My point was just that they didn't speak like cavemen.
>>728371930would have a bigger curse vocabulary than three swears*
>boot up any modern game>no matter the era or setting they always try to make it look like san fransisco
The more I go on /v/ the more braindead I realise this entire website is. Holy shit, you retards seriously can't believe that people before the modern period swore? Everyone before the modern era were more alike to us than you think. Words that we use often enough today with an innocent meaning would sometimes have a crass and vulgar meaning back then. Even "modern" swear words like fuck were used in the medieval period.
>>728372042wow >>728371664 is so poetic....
>>728348697Basically yeah. Even FF16 did the modern cursing to be all game of thrones. On a similar note, Xenoblade 3’s English script was clever to invent curses for that world’s setting.
>>728371510That is simply not true at all. Where did you even get that?
>>728372176Being retarded is overdone. Try trolling by engaging with a thread like someone wielding an IQ above single digits.
>>728371664Such a charming people.
>>728348697I hate stupid fantasy terms for shit that has a real world equivalent. Cyberpunk 2077's "Choom" is dumb. It's fine if the point is that the world is different and filled with stupid new languages, but I only care about English because that's the only language Humans need.
morrowind would be a better game if skooma was fent and n'wah was nigger and s'wit was small nigger
>>728348697Because the goal is political. It has to relate to your life. Boring psyop slop
>>728372176No one is doubt people swore, there just in doubt the swore every single fucking second like they're in a vizviepop show.
>>728371485based ESL retard
>>728371950They're guilty in that they're management. Writing is for non senior staff so it's mostly 30-40 year olds doing the bulk of it. Ed Greenwood the creator of forgotten realms did most of his work in his late 20s through his 30s. Part of the problem in the modern world is the credentials/environment required to get into the "creative" industry is unappealing to talented people. People who could've been this generations greatest writers instead slave away in engineering or something else more welcoming to detail oriented social awkward people.
>>728370447Stupid faggot
>>728372418bring it up with Wikipedia and there sources then.
>>728372256those lines are saucy notes people wrote (carved) on random objects, not poetry. You're essentially saying that american children write stupid shit on bathroom stalls, so therefore americans all speak like gross children.
>>728372878dumb kike nigger
>>728348697I have noticed the same thing becoming ubiquitous in all media. Certain modes of speech (both in terms of languages and in terms of tone etc), mannerisms, apparel, concepts/ideas, everything really, is basically the same, superimposed on different kinds of settings without really trying to make it appear natural. It is jarring and, at the same time, makes different settings appear rather samey
>>728348752Witcher, at least in original and Planescape were pretty good at immersive language and wording. Witcher used a lot of medieval swearing words and terms, and Torment had its own slang vocabulary for various terms.Going with simple 'fuck' or 'full stop' or other californian shitty terms is just a show of low effort writing
>>728372176Things like "fuck yea" are very modern. Whoreson, arse, and a classic 4channel favorite: cuck were more common.
>>728373278>Going with simple 'fuck' or 'full stop' or other californian shitty terms is just a show of low effort writingQuintessential Ameritard post
>I'm going to german suplex you into last Freyaday if you keep talking to my wife's son like thatThat was a bit much desu
>>728372928>You're essentially saying that american children write stupid shit on bathroom stalls, so therefore americans all speak like gross children.100% true.The average person talks in a dialect a lot closer to bathroom graffiti than poetry.
>>728349041Oh, we finally found the target audience for this awful writing
>>728369283Honestly it's a good way to show class and characterisation. There were knights and lower nobility who would have also rather talked crudely probably. Or you can show that the king is more "of the people" in a good or bad way.I agree that fantasy writers especially in video games mess that up a lot.
>>728369229>anon exposes that he has the literacy of a 5th-6th graderembarassing, purple prose would be something like "Sir Bertrand, this wayward knight of some renown, a vagabond resplendent in linens of viridian and cerulean, who seem to emulate the plumage of those mythical peacocks of the distant orient in both countenance and demeanor, had strutted most arrogantly across the courtyard of the ancient, regal palace of his Lord, an aged and venerable palace long weathered by the ravages of war and the inevitable marching of time. He gave no heed nor mind to the fair noblemen of which he passed by but for the fairer ladies of which they accompany, as his shifty eyes slithered through their tightly bound forms as snakes would on trees, undressing their bodices and garments with his lecherous sight even as they glare at him with disgust. Yet there was little they could have done with this matter, for he was a man of great standing, greater than the partners of which they have accompanied. The noblemen were left cowed and emasculated at his display, for to challenge him to it would no doubt lead to their untimely deaths. Sir Bertrand, as many had learned too late, was a knight most known for his vindictiveness."
>>728372826>Writing is for non senior staff so it's mostly 30-40 year olds doing the bulk of it.This is not true. Name something with "Millennial writing", I can guarantee the writer was in his 50s in 9/10 cases.
>>728373278>full stop>californianlol, retard
>>728373761Writers in general are very guilty of not letting the work speak for itself. Character dialogue needs to be guided by time, place, and the character's traits and history. More often than not, """writers""" simply put their own words in a character's mouth based on the character's role in the plot, completely ignoring the aspects that should matter.What this leads to is a cynical feeling where the dialogue is just-so, informed by nothing, where the writer is talking to the reader, while the page is just an inconvenient method of transferal sitting between them.
>>728373435I wouldn't be able to read or play Witcher in original, if I was American, retard
>>728348697Not just the writing. Look at that image. Shit looks unnapealing. These are GODS. They look like Netflix characters in a cheap fantasy show. OG gods might not have been ''accurate'' like Hades, but they were memorable and their designs told you they were deities not to be messed with.
>>728374057you obviously are an american since you don't know that full stop IS A FUCKING BRITISH TSRM YOU DUMB HYPER GIGA ULTRA RETARDED NIGGER
>>728374168I could pick you up by your deformed midget neck and rape you like a doll you inbred motherfucker
>>728374110GoW2018 made me realize that a lot of modern gaming stories are presented as one to five people in a small room having an overly-emotional conversation where they say a lot of words without actually communicating anything to each other or the player.HALO: Infinite is another good example. That game's wordcount is many times higher than any of the original trilogy games, yet none of it is that memorable because nothing happens, and nothing of consequence is said by any of the characters.
>>728370339Tell that to the british, french, and germans
>>728374386The anglosaxons turned norman, franks and basic bitch germanics?
>>728374304you'd like that because the only thing you can actually rape are children with that tiny american dick of yours, i'd feel sorry given that most niggers and immigrants have taken up to raping your daughters and mothers over there, but it may be perhaps because you spend much of your childhood drinking lead and eating arsenic that it had resulted such terrible retardation of mind and of body that made you unappealing even to your own women. how sad.
>>728348697I also noticed they don't take shits and wash their hands. How is it they don't take a dump at least once per session or cut-scene? Can someone explain this to me.
>>728374682What an odd thing to say.
>>728366870OK. To put in words where you can understand, like a mix of English and old English. It would be a pain in the ass to adapt, but could probably be done.
>>728374168gosh, you really are retardedand next your re going to tell us that Veliguard and other californian shit games using randomly using 'full stop' in their fantasy writings are British too?
>>728374794So modern English?
>>728348697I fucking hated that kid. I swear he was bitching in American teenage suburban way his cereal box is empty.
>>728350057fucking kek his twitter is peak midwit
>>728374304>an amerimutt calling anyone else a midgetpeak comedy, keep em coming, juan carlos rodriguez
>>728374810>a hanful of caliniggers using a british term makes it no longer britishamazing amerimutt nigger logic
>>728375720learn to read shitskin
>>728374810Learn to type SAAR
>>728373987>>728373435you simpleminded samefag, 'full stop' in British English is a '.'. A dot. Nothing else.In californian brutalised caricature of English language, 'full stop' is something said a loud, aimlessly adding it into sentences, to act like a exclamation mark.Go play your Veliguard or other californian games to see some examples of bastardised usage.
>>728348697FF16 ruined dialogue by saying fuck all the time, didn't sound good.
>>728348697They speak like insecure cucks instead of confident alpha male warriors.Also these games want you to take most female characters seriously and want never humiliate them if someone is person of color then they have higher status in hierachy.
>>728375876take your own advice
>>728348697If it's a fantasy game and not created by a group of nerds in a garage, expect it to be unimmersive with modern language and a multicultural cast of characters in a modern sense, not the classical way.
>>728348697fuck shit sounds like vaper, negro or punk would say or redditor trying to act cool. Redditor trying to say swearing words to act cool just feels eww
>>728375720'full stop' us not a term, you fucking troglodyteSaying 'full stop' aloud is like saying 'question mark' or 'three dots' aloud.
>>728378053it is in britain, mutt
>>728348987How about i fuck you up? We'll see who's mentally handicapped then, pussy.
>>728378165No, fucking idiot, it is not.
>>728349041You're not smarter than video essayers. They are in fact, and don't cry at this, smarter than you.
>i need to be mad at all times>even games i buy i need to be mad at so i can enjoy the game but also hate the devs
>>728348697At least it isn't the cringe KJV English that was all over 90s RPGs.
>>728378802Found the millennial writer, guys.
I think someone needs to make the perfect SJW game, and then fill it with the most obnoxious 4chan memes to give these people a taste of their own medicine.
>>728376002You're just showing how much of a ESL you are Rajeesh
>>728378053>'three dots' aloud>this nigger doesn't know what an ellipsis isSAAR
>>728358212They can be but right now /v/ has been going through a white nationalist renaissance so try not to imply that a game should be anything other than white men and anime waifus.
Well according to the writers it was a deliberate choice to get across the Norse gods being more crude than the Olympians.
>>728348697>open medieval fantasy game >can understand every wordFUCKING WOKE NONSENSE
>>728348697It's a modern trend known as "millenial writing". I'm sure you've heard of it. Essentially, millenials who are now all in positions of power in big game studios, have absolutely no creativity when it comes to writing or world building. So you get unispiried slop like the God of War Sequels.
>>728348697its what happens when you hire californian libtards
>>728378914Found the labulu unc
>>728350256>that's because kikes took full control of the lore
>>728348697Your words fall like shit from ass
>>728348697DnD and fantasy has always been self insert woke satanist dogshit.
