Who was in the wrong here?
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>>728358092I don't care who was in the wrong. What I wonder is this. Could Arthas and his troops (possibly other troops around, uninfected) could even contain a massive zombie outbreak in a large city?Maybe if they managed to gain controls of city walls and gates quickly, but even then, did they "lore wise" have enough troops to do that and contain massive zombie horde? Also, are those zombies stupid mindless, or were they controlled and directed?
>>728358092Uther and Jaina. Will always be.>>728358301Dude, there was a whole lot of people in Stratholme. It was also a significant city in terms of size and importance. That and the fact that there was also a large undead army led by Mal'Ganis.Even if they contained the outbreak if it were ONLY zombies, then the containment zone would've been broken by Mal'Ganis's undead army. An army filled with more powerful, advanced undead supported by Necromancers and extra Skeleton hordes.BTW, Mal'Ganis was quickly gaining control over the zombies, so they wouldn't be mindless and uncontrolled for long.
Arthas went full chud, he was always a fake paladin
>>728358092>Bring half of the kingdom fleet to northrendNow how did that get a pass without notice?
>>728358301>his troops (possibly other troopsIf no Malganus factored in then yeah, probably? Block major exits, patrol outer perimeter on horsies, kicking stray townsfolk/zombies back in. Of course they won't have enough troops to encompass all city all the time, but mobile patrols should do the trick maybe?
>>728358092You're implying it's mutually exclusive. Arthas was wrong for his "muh greater good" nonsense that liberals use to justify evil, and Uther was wrong for letting him do it.
>>728358739>JainaI can't believe they literally called a character gina like vagina.
>>728358092>Who was in the wrong here?Your mom for giving birth to you
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>>728358907He's the prince + a lot of soldiers actually participated in the culling and probably wanted to end the undead as soon as possible
>>728358092Uther had no intention of hearing any reason for the culling, no matter how justifiedwhile it betrays his oath as a paladin, Arthas's decision was the decision a king must make
>>728358092Arthas. Uther would be in the wrong if Arthas simply carried out what needed to be done without him, but the fact that Arthas also dismissed the Silver Hand is probably the most monumentally stupid and petty decision one could make in a war against the Undead.
>>728359118The difference is Arthas was right, the villagers still turned even if you or Malganis don't touch them. They were already lost. The only thing Arthas did wrong was not try harder to convince Uther, he practically gave up right away. And Jaina should have backed Arthas instead of running away because she didn't want to see Arthas do what was necessary.
>>728359650They refused a direct order from their liege making them traitors. It would have been within his right to have them executed on the spot, but he just sent them away.
>>728360725>>728360851based, and also true. If arthas had those two on his side, he might not have fell. But because they were weak liberals, arthas got corrupted
>>728360725I think people heavily undersell how bad "destroy the entirety of your own city to contain disease" looks, even if it's necessary. The average person might do it in a panic but I think Uther thought more about the aftermath where they basically leave a city in ruin and no doubt kill a ton of the king's subjects
>>728360725>The only thing Arthas did wrong was not try harder to convince Uther, he practically gave up right away.Because time was of the essence and every second spent trying to convince Jaina and Uther was another citizen doomed to undeath.
>>728358092i guess arthas was right. i'm not up to date on warcraft lore, but no one has ever been cleansed of that plague right?
Did Grom really have any other choice other than drinking the blood? It's not like he could defeat Cenarius normally
>>728361713Correct. And we know for sure the citizens were infected so it wasn't a case of healthy people being needlessly slaughtered
>>728359254Reminder that Jaina was supposed to be given Sylvanas' storyline. It would have made way more sense.
>>728358092Uther and Jaina were very obviously in the wrong.
>>728360851Right, and thinking that way is exactly why Arthas was in the wrong
>>728361785just retreat and regroup with Thralls forces.
>>728360924>iberalsYWNBAW
>>728358301No, they couldn't. He had a handful, against a city whose population was at around 25 000. Even if only a third of them turned into rampaging undead, it would be impossible to contain them and Straholme had a dreadlord and necromancers that could harvest and control them.
>>728362224>Thinking that your orders must be followed, when you are a prince, in a feudal setting, is why he is in the wrongI'd love to see you try and tell that to Edward of Caernarfon in 1260. And fucking Uther wasn't even a baron.
>>728363790>Thinking that your orders must be followed, when you are a prince, in a feudal setting, is why he is in the wrongYes, it is why he is in the wrong. You've provided no argument to the contrary.
>>728364116The "right" thing is the thing a prince tells you to do, retard. Are you the prince? No? Then you're not right.
>>728358092From a utilitarian point of view, Arthas was right. Under deontology Uther was right.
I wish more games made you play as the bad guys.
>>728358092Uther for leaving instead of stopping Arthas. Leaving was already an act of insurbodination, if that was applicable here. Might as well go for broke if you're going to disobey orders anyway.
>>728366927Arthas would have had him executed
>>728366990Stopping Arthas here means killing the men loyal to him as well.
>>728358092What else was Arthas to do? He knew the villagers were inevitably going to turn into undead, and he didn't have time to sit there and argue with Uther and Jaina.
>>728361558It wasn't that of the essence. He could have just told Uther to then help quarantine the town, and then let Uther realize the town needed to be cleansed once the scale was realized. All the people did not turn at once, and it was absolutely containable if Arthas did not alienate Uther and Jaina by instantly going, "Kill every single living human right fucking now you stupid fucks because your future king demands it!"
>>728367505That wouldn't really have worked so well, Mal'ganis was turning the citizens, but he was also transporting them elsewhere. It's not like they're just camping in the city. It's basically down to stopping Mal'ganis and then killing everything else, which means you have to get into the city and keep fighting him which will just surround you with undead.
Why has there been no game that could replicate something like this story wise, something that gets talked about many years later? Spec Ops come to mind but that is about it.
>oh no there's a shipment of grain that's going to turn people into zombies heading to town>shall we have one of our mages teleport there? >no>shall we teleport there using one of the teleport scrolls that every merchant shop in the land stocks?>no>shall we send a runner to notify the town before the grain gets there? >no>ok, what should we do? >ensure we trail the shipment just slowly enough so it will all be distributed by the time we get there so we have to murder everyoneArthas was in the wrong before he even gets into town
>>728361558>every second spent trying to convince Jaina and Uther was another citizen doomed to undeath.What does that matter? Purging the city means killing everyone, turned and unturned.
>>728366617inuyasha image?
>>728358092Arthas. They should have quarantined it.
>>728358092To give a more conclusive answer, if the extent of the Lich King's true power was as strong as it was suggested, then there was nothing that Arthas and company could've done logically. The Stratholme event was perfectly tailored through future-prediction powers by the most powerful shaman in the setting at the time, and with collaboration with demonic Jews (Dreadlords) to fashion a moral dilemma so complicated that even a ruler more coolheaded than Arthas would still find a hard time at finding solutions for. Ner'zhul was like Yhwach from Bleach, no matter the decision Arthas makes he would always engineer Arthas' downfall by foreseeing future events and manipulating them to make it happen, perhaps even Uther's failure to become the right mentor for Arthas was all part of the Ner'zhul's design all along. Ner'zhul already had it all planned out, the Purge was simply just a small stepping stone for turning Arthas into his champion.
>>728362152Really? Wtf.
>>728358092>Don't purge the cityGet an army of undead fucking shit up everywhere>Purge the cityPaladins fall into demonic trickeryLose-lose situation. We would have hard time predicting how Uther would turn out if he agreed for mass murder.
>>728367693Entire Ivalice must be purged
I don't get how Stratholme is still on fire come WoW, let alone by current times. Like, doesn't WoW take place like 4 years after WC3?
>>728361785Dude. This is Grom we're talking about.He got orders. And the orders were to go and set up an outpost. And Grom being Grom, he is dutiful to a fault even if begrudgingly.Thing is Thrall didn't realize who lives in the big, lush forest that is located in the most northern part of Kalimdor. Instead of taking him away from the conflict and not making him go full Leeroy Jenkins and attack humans on sight, Thrall accidentally put him up against the dominant force that protected Ashenvale.When the NElves appear, Grom is all like "Why Boner?" and completely captivated with the ladies out-savaging and slaughtering all his warriors. This makes him want to stay even more so.When he chops down the Ancients and a chunk of Ashenvale, Cenarius appears and starts folding the Warsong Clan and Darkspear Trolls. Grom, being Grom, loves a fight and will NOT abandon the outpost.Would he have defeated Cenarius without drinking from the well that was contaminated with Mannoroth's blood? Nope, since the NElves brought heavy support, more troops and Cenarius had divine armor (meaning anything that is not chaos attacks did jack to him). The NElves were hellbent on annihilating Grom and co. and Grom was NOT leaving that outpost.Combine all of this with the fact that their link with Mannoroth was never fully terminated after the 2nd War and Draenor blowing up and you have the perfect trap for a particularly cursed Orc Chief and his warriors.>>728362248Thrall was way too busy getting to the oracle.
>>728370084Agreed.
>>728358092If those pussy boys had followed their king's order, the situation would've been solved
>>728372269Marche did nothing wrong. It was escapism, it wasn't healthy!
Arthus was evil from the start
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>>728362248And be branded a pussy? Nah, bro.
>>728367893Being turned into an undead is a fate worse than death and dooms your soul for eternity. Killing them while they are still humans is the biggest mercy you can give.
>>728375634>Wow loreOops, looks like it's americlap hours. Thread over fellas
>>>/vr/
>>728376685Retard.
>>728372352because its cool
>>728377041Ah go eat a burger and fuck off
Midnight is looking real good.
>>728377471Just accept that you were wrong instead of throwing this baby tantrum.
>>728360725>The difference is Arthas was rightBut did he know he was right or did he assume he was right because he's Arthas and had already started down the path that let him to become what he did?I don't remember this stuff well which is why I'm asking. Did he try and get priests or something to solve the problem or was swording his first choice?
>>728358092damn this game aged like shit
>>728370084Nah, it's Jailer and his plan. That's it.
