you tell me I don't play trash games

i played an hour of the free weekend, was my first experience with it, and it just made me want to go play diablo 4 instead

maybe i'll give it another shot when its actually a finished game though

D4 bros. How do we make people play our game?

>>728381027
This, but unironically
And I didn't like d4 much either, literally quit after the very first season, like a month after release
But at least it looked better and had SOME interesting ideas, that being said, both games aren't for me
I guess I'm just too much of a boomer, cos I'm still enjoying replying d2 now and then

>>728380512
Whenever I see mayan or indian artistic themes in a videogame I instantly lose interest

>>728381787
>had SOME interesting ideas
what about diablo 4 did you think was an interesting idea?

Paladin happened

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>>728380512
Diablo IV might be a bad game, but the Paladin is the Paladin.

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>>728380512
I've tried like 3 times to finish the campaign in this game using grenade merc and the furthest I've gotten is that point in act 3 where you enter the time portal in the town
As soon as my build doesn't do the damage it was doing, I quit

>>728382394
Merc fucking sucks, just play literally anything else.

>>728380512
They deleted the catgirl huntress ascendancy.

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>>728380512
it's good though

>>728382491
If I change classes, the game wins. At that point I would rather just continue not playing anymore

>>728380512
it's 120GB lol

>>728382634
I think werecat will end up being tied to a unique talisman rather than an ascendancy since they seemingly want them to be somewhat agnostic in regards to build/playstyle, but what do I know

>All these faggots arguing which piece of shit is better while I enjoy Diablo 3 the true peak kino of the ARPG genre
lmao.

>>728380512
>oh hey poe2 is finally free to play like it's supposed to be I guess I'll try it now
>free for the weekend only
KEK didn't even try it yet, still waiting for the real release

>>728383485
nta but you're clearly retarded so changing classes wouldnt help you progress past act 3 anyways

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>>728380512
Charging through the campaign using bear form feels fucking nice, just arrived in act 2
I'm dreading the act 3 slog, but I just wanna power through to get to the endgame
Wish I was as good as some niggas who go from start to endgame in like 4 hours

thinking of rollijg ranger and bow build
i really want a bow build
any ideas please??

>>728380512
Nothing? I'm still playing it and having fun

>>728383750
deadeye lightning arrow :D

>>728383789
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>728383717
Its never leaving """"""early access"""""

They want a reason to keep charging retards for an unfinished product. Releasing the game for free will bring in an insanely small amount of people since they have already gotten the entire fanbase that was going to play it in the first place with the early access version.

>>728383737
>Charging through the campaign using bear form feels fucking nice, just arrived in act 2
I feel the exact same way
I haven't even tried werewolf or wyvern yet

D4 Is just betterer isomotric ARPG

>>728383259
built for BWC

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Diablo 4 chads unironically won this time
Paladin > Druid

>>728383940
BBC*

>Larrycord raiding the thread

>>728383674
>not playing diablo immortal
Phonelets when will they learn?

>>728383812
ok
ty

>>728383991
account based in india

>watching TGA
>remember that Diablo exists
>think about playing 4
>Blizzard wants me to pay sixty bongs for a five year old game
Yeah, I'm thinking nope

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Only started recently but already having more fun with being a bear mauling and slamming things than I ever did in D2 where I gave up being a bear and had more fun as a zookeeper. Wonder how long this'll last for

>>728384237
(expansion not included)

i never have fun playing poe2. poe1 you reach threshholds of power which give you big dopamine boosts but i never feel it with poe2

>>728383869
>>728383717
>butthurt about $30

so why they arent just shitting out all the acts? we know its all done for ages now.

>>728384970
Because they're not?

I loved playing Armaggedon Bear Druid in Median XL, is there a way to have that walking calamity skill have high uptime? Any other ways to make fireballs rain down around me as I smack things as a bear? Triggering Firestorm spell in some effective way or something? I don't really care about build efficacy that much as long as it's not like complete and total dogshit. I don't mind playing slowly and the game ends with the campaign anyway I ain't doing le random maps.

>>728383735
I can probably clear it if I just try hard enough but when it takes too long to kill a boss, I think the problem is the build and then try to change it just for the boss, it still takes too long but "works"

/v/'s attitude towards this game has been really strange from the start.
Do the people here not realize that the game isn't even out yet?

>>728384395
I would assume it goes like other melee classes. You start strong as hell, but around act 3 it falls of the cliff when even normal thrash mobs will fuck you up before you can blink.

>>728385045
early trailers (prior to EA) had areas from act 4 shown even though they were short clips. im not hating on the game, i just wanna know why GGG are taking their time. having a major patch every three months with like a new act a year or something doesnt bode well.

>>728384723
Poorfags are always entitled as fuck.

>>728385067
Based Median XL Patrician
>I don't mind playing slowly and the game ends with the campaign anyway I ain't doing le random maps.
My knees can only kneel enough!

>>728385213
They are trying to milk it as much as possible before full release and it going F2P.

>>728385331
>enough!
I mean "so much".

I'd enjoy the game more if I got a good weapon roll early on in a character like every other fucking streamer or random anon who posts "teehee look what I found 40 minutes in :)"

Worst part of the game is going back to town every 15 minutes, selling everything and then rolling gacha weapons from the vendor

when are all my cosmetics getting ported this is BULLSHIT i have almost $7k of pixels in this game im fucking mad

>>728385132
the fact it doesn't have all the acts or classes is irrelevant to the fundamental design decisions which make the game not fun to play

>>728384723
I wouldn't even play it for free because PoE sucks.

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>>728383259
Creampie Lilly

>>728385556
that's completely fair. but the people having a tantrum over $30 for the last year need to be studied

>>728385556
>PoE sucks
What's the alternative if I want to play a Diablo-like?

>>728385690
Grim Dawn

I hate the combo-wombo multi button shit they are trying to go for.
Is there a druid build that's single button or at most double button, fast and feels good?

>>728385723
Lmao, more like Grim Dong.

>>728385657
it's because everyone knows ggg are going to abandon poe1 when poe2 becomes popualr enough. for poe1 players that means the game they enjoy is about to end and they don't like poe2 so they're not going to have a game anymore

>>728385331
Man I'm beating a dead horse but why is MXL the only game with a real endgame still? I want actual character progression for going through structured dungeons and beating a bunch of specific bosses for their powers, not just random gear dropping from random monsters in random maps. Getting far in MXL's endgame actually feels like it means something. Tier 1 beach map doesn't really feel that much different from tier 16 beach map even if you shit it up with a bajillion mooks. Your reward for beating a big "Pinnacle" boss in a PoE game? Some points to put more random shit in your random maps and maybe a small chance that the boss dropped one of his "good" random drops that maybe your build could actually use but probably not.

>>728385785
poe1 is like 15 years old though theyve had enough time on that game

>>728385785
I still really just do not understand why they wouldn't just decide to have their cake and eat it too when they have the opportunity right in front of them. Balance and design the games differently instead of turning PoE2 into PoE1 and backporting new features from PoE2 into PoE1 to homogenize them as much as possible. They could have a slightly slower more methodical ARPG in PoE2 and industry leading bubble-wrap popping in PoE1 but instead they seem dead set on settling on the worst of both worlds.

>>728385561
I feel sorry for the tranny man's father.

>>728381787
Give Grim Yawn a try. I found it scratches the D2 itch better than poe or nuD. It IS slow as all hell but it's much more oriented toward "play the game for a bit then move on to other things and come back when you feel like it" rather than NEW SEASON TIMED EXCLUSIVE RESTART RUSH stuff. The build variety is also much nicer since it isn't designed around endgame infinite power grinding and the class combos let you try a lot of interesting things.

>>728384723
> paying $30 to beta test a free game

>>728386058
i think it's just too much work for them. you can see both games are suffering because of it but they obviously had very concerning poe2 player numbers so they talked up how much they love poe1 still. they're probably working extremely hard to hit the league targets jonathan set and will burn out their devs soon if poe2 doesn't take off in popularity like they hope

Tencent shill thread

>>728382491
>Make a class too weak to finish the game
Why do this?

>>728386080
misplaced empathy, a common trait in virtue signalers

>>728380512
End game is total dog shit. You run through maps and bosses killing everything instantly. Only ways you will die are if a boss happens to live longer than a nanosecond they will one shot you instead, or you get hit by a random death effect that you didn't see under all the other effects and die instantly.

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Bear, Werewolf or Wyvern?

>>728386337
Gayvern

>>728386323
thats... literally every single fucking arpg?

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>>728386273
Imagine being the defence force for a transmaxxser streamer. Where did your life take such a massive downturn?

>>728386323
campaign is also dog shit
the game tries so fucking hard to make you not have any fun playing it

>>728385545
poe 1 niggers and their epileptic seizure of a game had their brains raped by that game. You're legitimately insane

>>728386452
see
>>728385817

>>728383259
>trans
>yeast beast
actually vomiting, thank you anon

>>728384237
>Diablo 4
>5 years old
Was it retardation?

>>728380512
>People like your game because kill bunch of stuff super quick with flashy skills
>Decide that you need a sequel to get people to pay pig again, but remove speed (because engine can't handle it), also remove all flash from skills (because engine can't handle it). Also, want to have more detail on models, because you are chasing console players and you can't have them playing as a character that is only 10 pixels tall on their 85in TV.
>Also, ban accounts of your first game for no legit reason and refuse to tell them why you banned them, just expect them to get a new account and pay for their shit all over again.

Never trust a kiwi man.

>>728385690
Diablo 1, 2, 3.

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>>728385690
pic is pretty fun, but I would wait until the planned dlc releases

>>728386762
>3

>>728380512
last season was amazing, how is this one comparatively

The new dungeon crafter is cool for a few hours but the game still doesn't have any endgame to it and it's been in early access for a year, they keep backpedaling over their fundamental mechanics and running in circles. Chris Wilson was really the brains behind this studio. RIP.

>>728385127
>he needs to try hard to beat the campaign
No offense, but Diablo IV was made for people like you

>>728386991
I'm not feeling this vaal temple thing over the lovecraft tentacle horrors that pop up at the worst times to fuck you but also shower you with goodies

>>728386323
wow, you have a good build better than the map tier so you roll everything, that's as designed. you will hit walls and you will experiment and adapt till you roll again, that's how it always works, you sound like you just started playing poe last season

I unironically get more enjoyment from the game by completely playing it blind and never consulting a build guide or whatever it is that people do.

I log in after months of not playing to see if my over leveled warrior will survive the stage I'm stuck at. I haven't made it through it yet so I just log and I'll try again in a like six more months to see if they've fixed the game yet.

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>>728386217
nah. I payed for cosmetics on poe 1 over many years and got the game for free.

>>728380512
It's a schizophrenic game.
All classes (except ranger but fuck them) play like they're in Dark Souls. So you're expected to slowly kill one or two enemies while dodging and shit. Except, the game is an ARPG and is in horde mode. Anything two hits you. So you're rolling around constantly and dying doing little damage.
Every skill/upgrade needs to have some kind of penalty for some reason now. Unless you're ranger. Nothing can be "OP".

>>728387496
which stage is that?

>>728387710
Act 3 Vaal past city.

>>728387579
>All classes (except ranger but fuck them)
I think this is the bigger problem
How are we on the third patch and the meta is still
>pick a ranged fag for infinite range, DPS and clear
how are we on the third patch and armor is still dogshit vs physical hits

>>728387710
Dreadnought Vanguard I think.

>>728386991
The temple building mechanic is cool, map pieces layout is shitty, they are very small and full obstructing geometry. I'm playing new wolf wyvern druid and all the movement skills get me stuck all over the place constantly. Abyss felt more epic and arpg appropriate. Rewards are good tho, can't tell if better than abyss corruption and crafting, but still quite good for leveling.

>>728386762
>Diablo 1
>Diablo 3
ishygddt

>>728387870
They totally nerfed ranger and they now have to wait until boss actually starts moving before lighting rods will instantly kill it.

>>728382491
lmao, you brainlet.

>>728387472
It's crazy that this seems almost like uncommon and unpopular. Is it really that weird that actually playing the video game was more enjoyable to you than following a list of instructions? It shouldn't be but I guess it is in this day and age.

Diable shills are just goofy. Can't even be mad at them. I find it funny

>>728380512
Like poe 1 It just end up becoming cookie clicker casino game with minimal gameplay. And the story/aesthetic is not strong enough to carry it. Builds spell variety don't matter when in the end they all just become flashy screen wide clear that overkills mobs 20x. Why they bothered making a sequel is beyond me.

>>728388197
It's like they started the sequel out with the intention that they wouldn't let it get to that cookie clicker point but then they realized that some redditors would cry so they just made it cookie clicker again.

>>728386873
3 is kino now, after about a million patches. You're probably thinking of release D3, which was really fucked up.

>>728388197
And yet its still pulling number Jim. IT STILL pulling numbers.
>mhmmm idk why they made a new one
shut your faggot ass up boy

>>728388182
Its like this because we're posting on /v/

>>728387472
I did my own solo self found witch minion last league and it was awesome. Paying attention to item drops and managing crafting resources was great, I've learned a lot.

>>728388197
Your post belies the fact that you haven't played the game. Builds spell variety doesn't exist.

>>728388346
I should give it a try someday. But I don't want to make a blizz account or have to do that bs

JONATHAN

>>728388387
I unfortunately engage in places other than /v/ and that aspect isn't really any different. In fact it's probably worse on the wider normienet. People, especially "busy" "dad gamer" types etc cannot fucking fathom the idea of failure or taking time to figure things out, facing the slightest bit of friction. That's not "respecting their time". They'd rather watch the guide and just go through the motions.

>>728381787
oh i wasn't being ironic with that comment.
POE2 is nowhere near a finished state performance-wise. I've never had the issues i ran into in that one hour with the game that i had a couple years ago playing D4.

>>728388416
Based

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>>728388463
That's what I said.

>>728388416
But anon you could have been done playing much sooner if you pooled your currencies to go on the trade site and find best in slot items!

What's the consensus btw? Is druid good?

>>728382394
There is the reason why every dex class now levels with grenades. They are OP

>>728381787
diablo 4 is actually pretty good now. it was complete trash at launch with zero endgame, but last couple seasons i had quite a bit of fun playing casually (what the game is made for). there is a huge amount of shit to do at endgame now, almost too much. always felt poe is the better game if you are looking to no-life something and D4 is better for casual players. imo d4 has addressed everything that made it bad at launch and is pretty fun now, except the semi-predatory microtransactions that plague all blizzshit now, but that can be ignored pretty easily, just dont buy stupid cosmetics lmao

>>728384723
butthurt? kek I just want it to be free and fully released like they ADVERTISED so I can get a good playthrough in before deciding if I want to give them money
if they wanted to make it a $30 cool maybe I'd buy it when it's "done" but it's literally a free to play game... that they are charging for to beta test kek
then they throw out a bait weekend hoping people will get hooked and then spend more money
>>728383869
kek pretty much
>>728386217
also this

>>728389052
The Wyvern form is.

>>728389052
You'll be changing shapes often, it's the core mechanics, camping one form is dps loss. Wyvern is obviously really good one, will get skills nerfed for sure. Wolf is great but retards can't play the game so for now everyone says it's shit. Bear is alright, melee big commitment attacks make ranger meta fags shit their pants in difficulty. Vines and stuff spell drood seems to be ok, just very limited in themed spells.
Feels basic, undercooked and like remix instead of something new. But if you like shapeshifting it's good.

ive played nothing but witch since the game released

im so fucking bored of this campaign it genuinely gets worse every run

>>728389667
I like Act 1 but everything after is a slog

>>728389808
just like d4 then, kek

>>728389381
Only thing I hate about Diablo 4 end game are the boss "keys". It would be much better if instead of each boss having its own key there would be like 3 tier of keys.
Tier 1 keys would drop from any end game content and would be used for basic bosses like Varshan. Those bosses would drop tier 2 keys that would be used for harder bosses like Duriel etc. Then those bosses would drop tier 3 keys for hardest bosses like Belial.
That way instead of being forced to do content X to farm boss Y you could just farm any content for keys and then do any boss you want.

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So I bought D4 a year ago, got bored after 10 hours, and kinda swore off the genre. I saw PoE2 was f2p over this weekend and gave it a try. Have about 10 hours in it so far rocking a necromancer witch and my thoughts so far:

>-Performance is fucking ass. I'm getting random stutters on my 5070 somehow and sometimes opening the menu would just freeze the game?
>-Story is pretty boring. No good cinematics and interesting characters to keep you hooked either.
>-Visual fidelity is just as bad as it was in PoE1. Too many UE5-tier particle effects.
>-Chatting with other guys in-game and the discord, seems like there's still no end game. It's just running maps to scrounge up exalted/chaos orbs to trade for your end game build.
-Passive skill tree is bloated with tons of filler +3% to cast speed which makes it look more impressive than it really is.
>+Build variety is very good. You can grab skills from any class for your chosen class.
>+Combat isn't mindless and actually requires skill. Bosses have actual mechanics behind them.
>+Setting actually looks grimdark and not a Disney/WoWified theme park

Not sure I'll stick with it though. $50 for an obvious beta EA game that will be that way for at least another year is whatever. Since I already have D4 I might just dive back into that after this weekend and check out the changes there.

>>728391141
>+Build variety is very good. You can grab skills from any class for your chosen class.
That's a pretty good joke.
Technically you can grab any skill you want, but in practice it would just make a shitty build that can't even clear the campaign.

>>728390512
definitely agree with you there, the boss key system is pretty fucked. how you described would be a pretty good solution having tiers instead of individual bosses.

>>728391141
>>+Setting actually looks grimdark and not a Disney/WoWified theme park
thats what i actually disagree with, and d4 imo absolutely mogs it
setting feels very generic and boring in this, while it was the only good thing about d4
d4 really had amazing atmosphere, reminding me of d2, unlike the absolute wow-tier slop that d3 was

>>728391141
you are a retard anime poster with dumb opinion
but for performance set sound channels to low in options and switch too empty global chat channel

Is PoE2 Druid fun?

>>728391370
My fire elemental witch is doing fine tho. In fact those fire dudes are somehow stronger than my skelles.

>>728380512
alt f4ed after like 5 minutes holy shit this game is done

>>728380512
>pay to beta test our game
How about no, you kiwi fucks?

>>728391582
nope

>>728391582
I won't tell you, you don't deserve to know.

>>728391582
Funner than D2

>>728391662
unc died to some zombies lol!

they're all playing Druid as Bear aka just a shitty bara Warrior instead of playing it as Wyvern aka DRAGON KNIGHT

>>728391928
>scaly

D4 is the supeereor game, PoE is BAD

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I'm no knight, I just fry and vore niggas

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>>728389052
Bear is bugged, Wolf has rough start but is good in maps, Wyvern is completely broken with crazy damage. Overall animal forms have crazy damage potential but its a riskier playstyle because your hurtbox is 3 times bigger than usual and you can't use a shield.

>>728392429
this is what a every poefag's butt looks like

It's been 1.5 years and melee still feels like fucking ass to play.

>b-b-but muh wyvern
Don't confuse big OP numbers with good-feeling gameplay.

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>>728392613
This is what your mother looks like.

>>728392616
Wyvern isn't melee is it? It feels like it's the spellcaster of the shifts breathing and blowing fire and lightning and shit

>>728392654
not great, not terrible
I like this shade of red

>>728392429
>wyvern has crazy damage
post a video of this "Crazy damage", everything I have seen from wyvern looks like dogshit

>>728392812
https://youtu.be/P1IsWNUp4q4?si=nUHqi3o6X16uPu2R

>>728381027
having a dodge roll, actually designed bosses, and zqsd mode instantly made every other ARPG shit to play

I have roll fatigue

>>728380512
Seems fine to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>728392907
>zqsd
madman

>>728392812
Just saw this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kNi6XkaX2M

>>728380512
Nothing. All the people who like it are playing it

>>728393194
>>728392907
yeah wasd sorry

>>728392874
nothing in that looked good at all
>streamer does a 15s with conditional buffs to kill an a3 boss while overleveld as fuck
my mace cuck from last league was straight up 1 shotting every single campaign boss with 2 earth shatters, 2 warcries and a HOTG. My EDC hardcore cuck did the same thing in hardcore, and EDC isn't even supposed to be a bursty skill. No overleveling even required. Didn't even need to learn any mechanics from the bosses. Didn't look up any meta guides ore anything, just vibed through it.
Shapeshifting has been pure cock and ball torture in comparison.

>>728380512
I've been playing it
Just taking a break now

>>728380512
Another magic hybrid class.

>>728386459
where are you getting that ds lily is trans?

>>728393534
/v/

>>728393401
This. Why can't melee just be melee? Remember the maul bear in diablo 2?

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>>728392907
I actually dislike the dodge roll. ARPGs by nature aren't suited to it. It's why end game is just people optimizing into 1-2 skills to murder everything, including bosses, and bypassing the intended gameplay entirely.

Same reason why Borderlands kind of falls apart in the end game grind where you don't give a shit about boss/raid mechanics and just want that oneshot build to speed up the farm.

>>728393534
Ask him and take a screen cap.

>>728383984
>>728382342
>it's actually a fun class
what the fuck happened
d2 paladin and d3 crusader were utter dogshit, like how?

>>728393381
>streamer does a 15s with conditional buffs to kill an a3 boss while overleveld as fuck
Did you somehow miss Quin deleting the silver monke with 2 abilities without further preparation?

>>728380512
Everyone with >75IQ rightfully pointed out on launch (over a year ago) that it was fundamentally flawed and would never be good so long as Troonathan was in charge.

>>728393732
>It's why end game is just people optimizing into 1-2 skills to murder everything, including bosses, and bypassing the intended gameplay entirely.
Reason why you can do that in maps is because you inevitably overlevel all the content in the mapping system. Builds are more optimized towards endgame bosses that are more of gearchecks, mapping doesn't require a crazy build to clear mobs comfortably, you only need time.

>>728381027
Stick with D4 or 'poch. Poop2 will never be good.

>>728385152
Bear seems to be an absolute rolercoaster ride. Get a good weapon, and you will be deleting shit, fall behind even a little bit, and suddenly you have 5 minute tussles with every rare mob.

>>728393849
it's a fine game
poe1 purists and d2boomers cant accept that people want something more than just a slot machine

>>728393620
so it must be true. damn

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>>728393787
>D2 paladin
>shit

>>728383259
Fitting mascot for Discord Tranny Groomer Cartel: The Game.

>>728383674
Based as h*ck

>>728393720
Fury barb

>>728393918
You're missing my point. The dodge roll, and emphasis on skill and positioning and whatever, is at odds with the end game farming nature of the genre. No one cares for it after their first rodeo.

>>728394015
it is sorry

>>728394186
>is at odds with the end game farming nature of the genre
Its not at odds with it at all, because the goal of the build is to get there in the first place. Thats why everyone quit playing Last Epoch 2 days after its expansions because in the first 30 minutes you unlock the ability to delete screens and play the game without looking at your monitor.

>>728393849
now jonathan is a tranny? what is going on here

Man I just cannot tolerate this fucking campaign. I've made hundreds of characters in poe1 and playing this campaign for the 4 time is painful, especially since I know there's nothing after it anyway

>>728393974
t. Troonathan

>>728394343
see
>>728394005
>>728393620

>>728394343
>now
newfags out

>>728394304
>because the goal of the build is to get there in the first place.
Yes, and 80% of your playtime will be spent in maps ignoring it. Bravo.

So much seething and hubbub over a game that isn't even out yet.

>>728385817
>Your reward for beating a big "Pinnacle" boss in a PoE game? Some points to put more random shit in your random maps
This is my big issue with PoE1. Fuck off, I'm not grinding your game faggots

No offline mode

>>728394523
You're not dodge rolling every enemy in Elden Ring either. 99% of fights in Souls games is you see enemy and press attack button.

I don't get why people insist on playing these types of games solo.

When did gamers become so fucking antisocial it's really annoying.

>>728394347
PoE 3.14 was the peak of the franchise and will never be topped. That was the end of the pre-troonathan era. You would just have a blast for months on league launch rerolling trying new archetypes, making cool builds, crafting. That is all over. You WILL do your 6 skill MMO rotation while weaving in dodge roll to kill every white mob pack for 2 gold.

>>728394689
ARPGs are the natural progression for dadgamers who can no longer meet the social requirements to stay active in MMOs.

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>>728380512
>reduce mob density by 40% as a bandade fix for abysmal performance.
>WTF how were we supposed to know this wouldn't be fun?!?!?!?

>>728394689
played d2 for 1k hours solo just fine :V

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>>728394673
ER doesn't have an end game where you farm maps 24/7. ER is about the boss fights you do once and if you like them you make a new character build and go again. Stop being retarded.

>>728394956
ER has new game plus you dishonest tranny fuck.

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>diablo iv and poe 2 cucks talking shit because both their games are shit
with always online, you always lose

>>728394462
anyone else of note who's trans? this is crazy

So they delayed releasing Druid all this time only to release a much worse druid than we already had in 'poch this whole time? Ouch.

>>728394662
This. I can play GD offline just fine. I can even play D3 offline now!

>>728380512
The studio got bought out and now the milking begun.

>>728395021
Hold the fucking phone. TQ2 has offline mode?

>>728385785
Abandoning poe1 to become a locally hosted, moddable game would be the best thing that could ever happen to it

>>728395108
So why aren't you playing them?

>>728395046
Just Troonathan and ds_lily afaik. Well, as far as ecelebs go. The franchise is filled with trannies ever since poe1 was taken over by a discord tranny grommer RMT cartel.

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>>728380512
The game is really well made. The character building and campaign are awesome. But once you get to the endgame it all falls apart. It's just right back to clearspeed autism with every enemy having 30 different modifiers and throwing out unseeable one shots which sets you back hours of xp (you literally lose xp on death). It's the antithesis of fun. You also can't rerun any of the major dungeons until T15 which requires a level of no-life degeneracy that can't be understated. I'm unironically switching to D4 without a shred of sarcasm or irony.

>>728395257
>I'm unironically switching to D4 without a shred of sarcasm or irony.
Why would that be sarcastic or ironic? D4 is simply a better ARPG.

>>728381167
i dont want people to play our game though. its a dad containment zone and i like it that way

>>728394662
why is this an issue in 2025? I unironically didnt understand the complaints back in 2011 when d3 launched and people whined about it. its also a good thing because of trade integrity. if you dont care about these things then poe is not for you anyway. there are more than enough casual friendly alternatives and I am not trying to be disrespectful here.

Hello /vg/ are you having fun spamming other boards with your mental illness today?

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>>728395015
>ESL jeet defaulting to trannies
Mindbroken.

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>>728395257
>Endgame is bad because it requires no-life degeneracy
You do realize who endgames in games are for?

>>728395418
What else are they going to do? Everyone is busy playing the League and the /vg/ thread has only the doomposters talking to each other.

i enjoy ARPGs but i have no intrest to play poe. there is just something about that game what is off-putting

>>728385132
>"IT"S BETA IT'S BETA" I screech into my padded room, my wallet $30 lighter.

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>>728395648
>Everyone is busy playing the League
Hell yeah, those games were tight.

>>728395520
Nah this is extreme no life shit. Complete and utter liquid shit

>>728380512
gender locked classes

>>728395207
well seeing as people can pirate the game, yeah

>>728394343
>what is going on here
It's just /vg/ if you ignore them they'll go back and continue their gay erp

>>728380512
>>728387579

There was a post in /poeg/ about it, but bascially there are two brains controlling one body, and the will not come together until the redesign how enemies behave.
You have these methodical combos and dodge rolls and setups which you would see in a Dark Souls game, but the enemies behave in a way where you can take advantage of it. They will pause, back up, even run away, and that lets you dictate your terms of engagement in those games.
Compare to PoE, where EVERY monster is programmed to run at you until you die. There is no ebb and flow, you are always on the defenseive. You do not have time to set up or do a combo, you NEED that one trick pony to stay alive. The end game maps just exasterbate that problem with even MORE enemies to deal with. And they are all dealt with in the same way: kill them before they can reach you.

This is why PoE2 feels so disjointed with itself, there are two philosophies of play completely at odds with each other and the real solution is to change how enemies behave.

>>728396095
Poop2 is not an ARPG so that makes sense

>play bear drood
>its just warrior but my hitbox is gigantic so I die twice as fast

>>728396095
Maybe because it's a chinese grind fest with nothing to do in endgame except to maze yourself beyond recognition

>>728397920
imagine complaining about grinding in a fucking diablo clone

do you also whine about having to hit headshots in CS?

>>728396890
they have gay ERP?! What the fuck what do we have

>>728380512
Performance is shit, maps are still way too large, game is not hard, its just annoying.

>>728398170
The grind isn't fun. Simple as. If there was more to do than run randomly generated slop with an autistic keystone grind to slow you down, maybe it would be worth it

>>728397920
>chinese grind fest
It's weird these people kill every monster on the screen with a single button press you would think that they'd be done by that point but that's where the fun begins according to them. They then mindlessly do that for 100+ hours on a single character and then they repeat that for the next season. Idk what kinda autism that is but i don't want it

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>>728395021
>UE5

>>728380512
Champagne was good, end game sucked arse

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>>728398972
yeah, at least it does look pretty good

>try druid
>kinda fun
>open skill menu
>50% still missing
>remember I have to do trial of shitima again
>alt f4
nah fuck this shit. See you in 2027

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>rpg game
>ARPG on top of that
>it has ONE(O N E) type of mele weapon
>whole year after it was out
>still not """released"""
>still costs money
>NOT EVEN A FUCKING S W O R D

>see Nighthaunt
>run instantly 10 minutes longer as it goes invulnerable and teleports around
>see Aztec spirit enemy
>same thing
>See Abyss boss with regenerator
>same thing
>See abyss IN the boss room
>spawns two abyss bosses, 100 enemies, and makes the main boss abyss all while you're trapped in a tiny room
>Uninstall

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>yes, I shall do a werewolf build with huntress as the base

>>728380512
d4 bad

>>728400481
the YJK build

>>728380512
>5min queue
>server kept shitting the bed and it's not even like PoE where it just fucking stops, it rubberband you to the other side of the map
>Merc is still "Lol bombspam" instead of full auto BRRRT

>>728380512
The first game is still live, and still better.

>>728402090
I'm not playing your shitty old live service game that's about to end

>>728380512
kinda dont want to play unfinished campaign and not classes are available

>>728402697
>wanting to play the poo2 campaign
wtf is wrong with you

>>728402774
what's wrong with it?

>>728383259
i wonna sniff her pussy until my eyes bleed

PoE 2 should've just been an engine upgrade for PoE 1 with cool weapon swap stuff.
Now it's some retarded on-rails resource generator spender game and is somehow even closer to D4. They fucked up big time. It's like they went from a sandbox ARPG to a pseudeo action adventure with the illusion of choice, and most choices you make are just
>you have the freedom to click the wrong nodes and do the wrong build that doesn't work because the devs didn't intend for it

is dd still worthless?

>>728402920
>what's wrong with it?
Just a /vg/ reminder anytime talks about poo or shit or troonathan anything weird out of place like that just ignore them also if they start to talk about their favorite streamers

>>728402464
two more weeks, right?

>>728403170
ok so the entire poe playerbase and the devs
got it

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>>728403170
>the worse player retention patch after patch isn't real
>PEOPLE ACTUALLY LOVE THE GAME!
>LEAVE GGG ALONE YOU HECKIN CHUDS!

I played 200 hours at launch, hated it, and every patch I've tried playing it and dropped it after two-three hours. I don't know how to describe it but the whole thing is just unbelievably boring.

KEK keep seething about how easy you're to spot /vg/ you gay ass streamer obsessed freaks

>>728380512
I think a lot of people neglect that the PoE2 early access isn't just a testing period for the new game, but also testing for GGG going from a one game company in to a two game company. Must be lots of restructuring of people and processes behind the scenes.

>>728403683
Let's be completely honest, GGG simply hoped people would stop caring about PoE1 altogether.

>>728403501
Same experience. First 2 patches I played the longest (yes even the dogshit 0.2 patch). 0.3 was cool but still just felt like more of the same shit. 0.4 feels like even more of the same shit and the new shit is terrible.
Everything feels so fucking half assed and rushed other than maybe animations and models. It feels like we're always just doing free QA for them each league, and the game's vision of clunky resource generating spending is irredeemable dogshit. All the most fun builds I played use maybe 1 or 2 skills at most as a combo. But Johnatroon wants us to generate and spend and pick up infusions but only on tuesdays and only if you hit the perfect timing window and then its only on kill and a %chance against bosses. Like what the fuck man. Why can't skills just be good? Why can't they just be generic and we pick what to combo together?

>>728403826
same

Why does poe2 exist?

>>728403826
I might actually log back into poe1 this week. Maybe do some mana man hiero stuff and see what drops to make a build around in SSFHC.

>>728380512
they spent all that time making a druid class instead of a fun one

so did they actually optimize the game this patch after bragging about it?

>>728384237
Games don't depreciate with age.

>>728404772
lol they reduced mobs by 40% and still failed

>>728404765
just like diablo!

>>728404772
a little, but it still takes my game 3 minutes to open.

>>728404772
the tech performance has definitely gone up over the year, i remember it ran like ass when they released it last year. the problem being they only patch the game once a quarter and leave it dead for months because they treat the early access/beat development like poe1 league updates

>>728404765
>>728405712

>lock shapeshifting to a weapon type
>lock druid abilities to a weapon type
>thus you only have 3 abilities as werewolf
>you only have 3 abilities as bear
>you only have 3 abilities as wyvern
>literally zero room for customization. You want a werewolf twister build? You want to use crossbow as a bear? FUCK YOU

Gives you less options than Diablo 2 did, even for caster. Like the Diablo 2 spell tree LITERALLY has more abilities on it.

25 years of progress bros.

>>728404772
Yes, it's pretty noticeable since it caps my vsync now in most areas

>>728386828
Unfortunately clock gets really boring after maybe 10-15 hours. Each map is always the same, there are no randomized dungeons whatever. Also it's entirely linear with the next boss being a huge hp sponge you need to gear up for.

>>728406932
the game is built around using multiple weapons

Never played this kind of game before, so I'm just making sure. There's no reason to keep weapons outside of my class specialty, right? Any tips for witch?

I’ll break ya!

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.
It's this + no character creation/gender options at all so you're forced to play as a nigger if you want to be STR and forced to be a lesbian if you want to be DEX.

Game SHOULD be good, the vibe/art is excellent but the actual game design is hot trash

>>728390336
D4 has an actual story and intrigue. Poe2 has a guy from Organization XIII

>>728408063
Character creators are for teenagers who roleplay. No grown ass man or kid wants to create a character.

Why does it feel like nothing ever drops in this game? I’ll go 6 levels without seeing a weapon that’s viable to pick up.

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>>728383259
>>728386080
>>728386459
>>728395249

want to know how you can tell ds_lily isn't trans?
she has a good relationship with her mom

>>728408489
Actually, I got that backwards: Only grown ass men and kids want to create their own character, only teenagers think they're too cool for school.

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>>728408657
here's the reality minus the cringe filter
kill yourself faggot

Areas from the campaign that need to be removed/fixed so the game feels like less of a slog:

Act 1:
-Change the Devourer to an enemy that actually feels like it belongs in Act 1
-Hunting grounds (remove the retarded crowbell boss too)
-Freythorn

Act 2:
-The entire mechanic of "moving" the caravan around needs to be changed, it creates this weird double-up with waypoints and offers nothing in the way of immersion because it's just a glorified loading screen
-Keth, Buried Shrines and The Lost City need to be made much smaller
-Deshar does NOT need 3 levels of the same shitty layout repeated

Act 3:
-Remove Matlan Waterways and make the dam control mechanism DOWNSTREAM of the lake (or it doesn't make sense)
-Flooded Utzaal needs to be redesigned, it's ugly and boring
-Molten Vault seems utterly pointless, also why is the boss hammering at the wall for no reason and why is there a mechanism for the sluice gate that does nothing???
-Temple of Filth needs to be a lot smaller (also where did all these mutants come from if the city was underwater?)
-Past Utzaal is generally boring and feels really empty for what was supposed to be the Vaal civilization in its heyday

Act 4:
-The entire mechanic of "moving" the ship around needs to be changed, it creates this weird double-up with waypoints and offers nothing in the way of immersion because it's just a glorified loading screen

Generally speaking a lot of the quests given to you by the NPCs are also not very interesting. There should also be a lot more NPC interaction.

>>728407814
You can't use multiple weapons because the druid forms are locked to a weapon type.

>>728407815
you're not locked to any particular weapon type, but since this is your first time, maybe stick to coloring inside the lines.

PoE2 does have a story sitting there between the vending machines. It's about some crazy bitch who keeps feeding The Beast because she's the same kind of psycho cunt that the Va'al Queen Atziri was. they'll sacrifice billions to achieve their goals of eternal power & immortality. And the Shade is a fallen angel responsible for bringing Sin into the world

>>728409006
shape shifting doesn't only belong to druid :)

>>728409006
and that stops you using your second weapon set for what reason

>>728409127
Yeah it belongs to a single weapon type. Unfortunately, so do the skills.

>>728409270
1. You can't use basic attacks of different forms without also having a talisman in your 2nd weapon set.
2. When you change to a different weapon you lose the shapeshifted form.

>>728409446
I still don't see the problem

>>728409568
The problem is that shapeshifting doesn't exist, it's just a cosmetic change tied to a particular skill that only works in a combo rotation that does not and cannot include any other skill or weapon type in the game

>>728408930
I actually think Early Access has fucked this game up.
Obviously at a game's actual end, that's when the endgame starts. But they're made it so that every 0.x patch has and endgame and feels like a standalone game/sequel?

All the enemy and level design is baked. If this whole thing released as a 1.0 as is, McNormie would drop it 7 hours in.

>>728380512
Better than 2 atleast

>>728409768
Sorry I only saw the thumbnail, what I meant to say is PoE1 is better than 2

>>728409718
can you provide an example of a game with good shapeshifting, because i also don't see what the problem is

>>728409768
>>728409838
nah too late you can't change it now you said 2 is better than 1 no take backs

>Play hardcore up to endgame and quit until next league
simple as

pd2 is the only arpg worth playing

Does this game actually expect me to replay the campaign