>Total War>Dawn of War 4Are Games Workshop retarded?
>HOLY SHIT, TWO CAKES!where is the issue
>>728435038>primashitain't touching that slop
>>728435924who asked
>>728435038I get it DLC, but are they really releasing with 4 factions? That seems pathetic, surely Chaos Marines and Eldar need to be added at a minimum.
Neither of them are really on the horizon. Dawn of War 4 isn't a viable product until multiple expansions roll out since they're trying that stupid fucking strategy of launching with 4 factions again. Total War games aren't playable until years of patches and DLCs. So if you think about it, you don't really have either.>>728436072I did.
>>728435038No, but you sure seem to be.
Mechanicus 2 is also coming.
>>728435038Doubt TW 40k is releasing 2026 anyway, also RTS games tend to flop
>>728435038TW is dead on arrival for anyone that isn't a brain damaged idiot because console garbage.
>>728435038dark heresy is the only 40k game that matters because the devs are fans and know what parts of the lore to avoid.total war and dawn4 is corporate slop made by normies trying to extract every cent so you can expect voltan / grey knights /primaries / primarches / all that other gay shit and a million DLCs
>>728435038Creative Assembly CANNOT pull this off.
>>728437646>CHAINSWORD-MANIIIFuck of
>>728435038Maybe this is why dow4 took the odd choice of starting with admech and necrons, which tw40k would probably take some time to get to
>>728437646They will, and you will play it eventually. You're that guy sitting in meditation but eyeing the game taking a glance.
>>728436214Eldar is one of the 4.
>2 good WH games in 30 years>Suddenly 10+ good to amazing WH game in the last 10How did the quality go up?
>>728437646Looking at the bottom right minimal and comparing it with the whole screen, that is a tiny map. Hope it's just a multilayer map or a test bed map or something.
>both games only playable after 3 years worth of dlc
>>728435038There is no universe where TW 40k releases in 2026. DoW4 will have had its release and senecence window before TW40k comes out.
>>728435038>are games workshop retarded?You seem to be. Also what's wrong with this? Do you not understand that this would potentially bring a lot of hype and popularity to 40k? They make money off these.
>>728435038I doubt there's to much overlap frankly. Total war has the 4x/RTT USP Where DoW4 will probably focus more on multiplayer
You can just buy the game you like most or both if you can. They won't be delisted anytime soon either, you can buy them whenever you want. They're not even made by the same team, so there's no resource sharing to manage. Stop whining over nothing.
>>728438565The gimmick to me looked like you'll zoom out and have like 6 different battles in 6 different planets all going on at once. So smaller maps but multiple fights at once
>>728436072I asked, I care. Fuck primarislop and fuck niggers always appearing in every possible setting
>>728438565Have to be able to get around it quickly with a controllerConsole is going to drag this game down at every point
>this will be doable on console with pristine efficient controlskino
>>728437646Yeah, 100% they can't>console releasedead before it even arrived
>>728438526From what I've seen it's mostly mediocre, nothing's really standout. The only Warhammer game I actually genuinely liked was Dawn of War 2, and that was only during the beta before relic destroyed the game at launch
>>728438565Fuck that, I want small maps, I want skirmishes, they're far more fun
>>728441008Anon you can't be that stupid
>>728444468I don't want small maps because all they allow you to do is smash 2 blobs of units together thoughtlesslyI don't want to watch canned animations where ultra-manii punch ork-manii, I want to make interesting tactical decisions and for that to happen you need large maps with varied terrain
>>728435425One cake is poisoned.
>>728444390Ironically console release might be the great hope for performance.
>>728444565>tactics and flanking don't exist on a smaller scaleHave you even played TWWH?
>>728444603>creative assemblyanon you are way way way too optimistic, ESPECIALLY on performance of all things >>728444615Have you?Virtually all the maps in TWWH 3 are too small, at least half of them might as well be claustrophobic's nightmare
Is Total War fun? I got tired of gookclickers 20 years ago.
>>728444913It hasn't been genuinely fun since Shogun 2Everything after that has been 'okay' at its best. I'm sure you can still enjoy it to some degree, but the mechanics are shallower, the performance is worse, and there's lots of bugs that are borderline game breaking (like archers spazzing out doing micromovements in place instead of shooting); I love the cinematic battles of warhammer 3 but the red line skills and upgrades through a campaign genuinely destroy any kind of challenge you might get from it, and then you've also got to contend with the incredibly retarded AI.
>>728435038Games Workshop are retarded but DoW and Total War play differently enough that I don't think they're going to be competing for playerbase.
>>728435924Because of Primaris I didn't buy Space Marine II and the current DLC for Gladius.
>>728446014they won't be competing on playerbase much because total war: 40k is going to be complete garbageI don't think DoW4 will be very good either, but TW:40k will absolutely take the cake in how fucking bad it will be.
DoW4 will have DoW2's last stand mode anyway
>>728435038The best is that you wouldn't be able to tell them apart if it weren't for the ui
>>728436214>>728436226>only 4Ideally how many factions should be at launch? Warcraft 3 has 4 and Starcraft 3 total, and they're 2 of the best RTSs.
>>728446750They'll both need mods to actually be good gamesbut which will mods actually be able to shore up into a playable and fun game? The console RTS or the PC RTS?My money is personally on the PC game, but I guess we'll see
>>728446962>Ideally how many factions should be at launch?All of them.
>>728444565You'd need combat to slow down significantly first to allow those risky tactical manuevers to actually be worth the risk first instead of losing the line fight before they've even had time to walk around. CA won't do that though because they're trying for the esports meme and pretending that clicking fast is the operative skill in TW
total war is not an rts
>>728435038I fucking hate Games Workslop fanboys so fucking much. Everything GW touches turns into an infestation of paypiggery. How is it fucking possible there were THREE EDITIONS OF TOTAL WAR WARHAMMER AND THOSE FAGGOTS BOUGHT EVERY. SINGLE. EDITION.TW 40k looks like a fucking mobile game and is confirmed to also be a console release. And they are launching with FOUR factions, meaning ... yep, MASSIVE DLC INCOMING. I hate them all so fucking much. I've been waiting for a Total War game set in the 17th century for so long and thanks to paypigs we will never get that. And I have no doubt Med III will be paypiggery on a scale to try and match the Games Workslop faggots. Total War as a concept works for games that use formation fighting, not modern or futuristic warfare. What kind of retarded slop do people want? There are already modern war sims out there that you can play right now. Total War is just cash grabbing on Games workslop paypig faggots who destroy genre after genre.
>>728435425I don't have enough space in my belly to buy two entire cakes
>>728437646good luck trying to play this with a controller LOL
>>728447614the only fun part of the game is RTS with pause
>>728444565Total War won't be able to simulate modern/futuristic warfare. It's not designed to handle that kind of fighting. The foundation of the game was based on formation fighting with melee weapons. Empire/Napoleon worked because that era was also still fighting in formations. 40k will need entire features of logistic lines, system of cover, and what level of organizaton will the fighting take place at? Platoon engagements? Company level? And how will that function in terms of army organization? I have a creeping suspicion it will be a mobile game with ripped off features from Star Wars Empire at War.
>>728447813it's dead on arrival, everyone knows it except creative assembly's upper management
>>728437646That looks so retarded. Why is everything in melee range? Where is the defensive positions and outposts? Why are the units all bunched up like that? Where is the artillery fire? How come you can't garrison ANY of those buildigns with machine gun outposts, snipers, dug in fire teams... this is so fucking stupid.
>>728447870The closest one could possibly see is The Great War mod, but that didn't play all that great for the above mentioned reasons. You can't simulate the complexities of this technological level of warfare in the Total War framework. Especially because the premesis will rely on a frontline which isn't going to work in Total War either, as the game is based on turn-based rounds and not real-time combat.
>>728447910>mfw 40keks get their first taste of TW friendly fire from their own artillerycan't wait
>>728437483>dark heresyIs that game in any way related to Inquisitor: Martyr except both being Diablo-clones?
>>728444585how so
>>728437646This is DoW4 right
>>72844807340k is mobile game-ified
>>728447998no, the two warhammer diablo clones are chaosbane and inquisitor: Martyr.Dark Heresy is the owlcat game after Rogue Trader.
>4 factionsAin't playing this soulless fucking NIGGER slop. How the fuck do you make a game with less factions than DoW1 and 2. Absolute kike tier.
>>728447983Curious how artillery will function. Will it be a supportive echelon attached to a brigade? Individual platoons of artillery pieces? How does resupply of ammunition work during a battle? Are there garrison points, FOBs, etc? Are battles going to be part of a larger, real-time frontline with rotations of soldiers from reserve garrison posts to forward line positions? How will regiments be organized? Do you need to construct, e.g., air bases for air support during combat and can you bomb enemy positions, trenches, outposts, etc? Can you do sustained artillery fire on enemy positions before engaging in an offensive operation? How will logistics work in this context? Will each planet have its own network of cities, logistic hubs, etc, that you need to deploy formations to compete with? What happens when more than 2 factions compete for a single planet? How will space battles function in context with supplying troops on planet? Do you need a fleet to sustain operations or can you rely on your own industry on a planet? Can you bomb out enemy positions from orbit rather than engage them directly? Do you need to micro troop deployments via transport ships and can local, ground based air cover and AA positions take out enemy transport ships inbound planetside? How do you establish an LZ, will that require engagements? And supplying an LZ is another task. Can you engage in rear line sabotage or use deep strike/drop units to engage enemy logistic hubs while your front line pushes towards them?
>>728437646looks like a total downgrade from Total War Warhammer 3, btw. I was half excited because maybe they would just reskin Warhammer 3 into 40k but they just made Dow instead.
>>728447642>THREE EDITIONS OF TOTAL WAR WARHAMMER AND THOSE FAGGOTS BOUGHT EVERY. SINGLE. EDITION.That this actually happened still amazes me
>>728447910>what is the 40K tabletop gtame?
>>728448246Games Workslop fans will buy anything with the Warhammer logo on it. That's how CA managed to release Warhammer Total War 3 times in a row and created separate DLCs for every installment of the game and even required you to own prior editions of the game to be able to play the full version of the game in Total War Warhammer 3. They are still releasing DLC factions as we speak for that game.
No one plays TW MPPeople will actually play DOW MPThis is the real difference
>>728448276I've gotten a combined 3600 hours from the purchases so it's well worth it to me
>>728448212Oh right I got that mixed up, thanks for clarifying. I asked because Inquisitor was nothing but mediocre (at best) and I was wondering how the hell it got a sequel
>>728448308The tabletop game has rules for garrisoning buildings, using cover, long range artillery fire... so if they're basing it on the tabletop game and not anything more than it's already not working.
>>728435038Not entirely sure I'd classify a total war game as RTS
>>728448254have you played a total war game before? not sarcastic, just genuinely asking. In TW:warhammer 3 for example you can have a unit of 3 mortars that comes into battle with something like 25 shots each, it can be replenished by a hero using a restock action. In town/city maps there are set locations where you can build barriers or support buildings built with an amount of supply that increases over time. There are also army abilities that can do things like shoot a couple cannon shots anywhere on the map, that can be used once or twice on a minute or two cooldown. Lots of those things will probably translate into the 40k game
>>728448459>total war isn't RTSMost retarded post ITT
>>728448384While we're at it, is there any reason to play 1 and 2 these days?
>>728448574>zoomers can't tell the the difference between RTS and RTT anymoresad. too much nigger gene
>>728435425money, time and will to play are limited
>>728448545Total War Warhammer is a setting that is loosely based on historical times when persistent frontlines, paratroop infantry, and space combat didn't exist. So the concept of the "decisive battle" exists in the game. 40k takes place in a space era with futuristic soldiers, frontlines, planetary invasions, etc. They will need to implement a real-time logistics system that can be targeted. So you will have artillery positions set up in fire bases behind the lines with attached logistic hubs from production centers or a network of fleet logistics to sustain combat operations. They will need real-time gameplay elements for a 40k TW game to work. And can you use airbases to launch interception/bombing missions?
>>728448246You seriously don't remember Total Warhammer release? I'd be surprised if we once again see the fifth faction be a pre-order bonus.
>>728448254Judging by TWWH 3:>on-map artillery with stupidly short range>magic spell artillery>>72844830840k is well known in the wargaming community as one of the shittiest wargames in existence, it makes prefect sense that the computer version would be too lmao
>>728448618none because you get 3 for free if you own 1 and 2.
>>728448574It's a TBS with real-time battles. The actual battle parts of Total War games are almost secondary to the main part of the game and you end up auto resolving 90% of them
>>728448124Always has been. Real trailblazer, perfected the mobile game aesthethics when everyone was still using rotary phones.
>>728448710the actual fun gameplay in total war are the battlesnobody plays total war for the 4x elements, it's so fucking bad and has been ever since rome 1
>>728448679it's a playbook that works. legendary lords are definitely going to be in for "faction variety".
>>728448618>1not really>2It has better campaign AI, units are more responsive in battle, and it's faster than 3, but way less factions and units, it's kind of hard to go back after 3.2 does have the vortex campaign map which I really like over the chaos realm campaign map in 3
>>728448710>>728448710ya 95% of players play it like a civ game nowadays, perfect for consolefags
>>728447910Yeah, 40K at a massive scale should really play more like a Eugen game.
>>728448618I guess if you like the more limited scope or the included minicampaigns in each? Tried the third one after a long break recently and eraly game turns are lots of waiting because there's nearly three hundred factions for AI to control.
>>728448687>Judging by TWWH 3It's really going to be a lazy re-skin I can already tell. The screenshots look like a mobile game so I strongly doubt it will have much depth to it. And 4 factions means they already plan to run a DLC milk farm
>>728448834This desu
>>728435425essentially this
>>72844883440k fans wouldn't touch a game like this. But yeah, this is exactly how a 40k game should look like. They could even copy Empire at War but I don't think CA really cares they just know the brand will sell and they can make money off DLCs
>>728448638ok unc
>>728448834Eugen is also bad at doing large scale. You have to micro infantry squads and individual tanks as a division or even army commander, fucking LMAOThey'd need to scale up the battles from brigade-scale to division-scale and add the ability to delegate - i.e. form, say, company or battalion-size task forces that can take cover and handle seizing or defending objectives reasonably well on their own without direct micro - for the game to have any chance of having a real large scale strategic campaign
>CA successfully grifts Games Workshop paypigs releasing the same game 3 times with full DLC packagesI honestly can't blame them for this. They said there will be 4 factions on release which automatically translates to: "We've got DLC lined up". "Faction packs" will be a day 1 thing without a doubt. Games Workshop literally retcons stuff and humiliates their fanbase daily, even now officially releasing female Space Marines. And GW fans will continue to pay increased prices for plastic that is made for cents. That's why CA is going for this, they know they will make a lot of money from paypigs.
>>728435038GW is doing the (financially) smart move of cashing the fuck in on the 40k normie popularity wave>>728437483>owlcatlollmao even>>728437646the last TW I played was shogun 2 so I'm not sure where the games are at mechanically but damn dude this looks ugly as hell
>>728449214>officially releasing female Space Marinesthere is literally no need to make shit like this up if you want to talk about how gay GW is
>>728449214women exist, get over it
>>728449309The newest SM set was released with female heads. You're going to see a lot of DEI in this game as well, the IG were confirmed to be led by african-americans per the concept art release.>>728449363Good paypiggy, time to buy the same game 3 times.
total war stathammer lolI hope med 3 is going to be good but who am I kiddingback to playing modded med2
>>728449429>The newest SM set was released with female heads.Again, you don't need to lie for attention- everyone already hates GW.
>>728449429
bro i really hope they have bigger open maps, or at least BIGGER maps because what we saw looked like shit
>>728449530The newest set had these strange, asiatic females released. None of the Space Marines are White now, they're all bull dyke women. Custodes got the treatment first as a trial run, and GW paypigs kept buying them up.
>>728449605I don't think you actually believe those are meant to be women & I think you could find something more rewarding to do than making shit up for attention on the internet
>>728448834this is exactly what I'd expect a 40k game to actually be like, this is how it would play if you wanted to do it real justicemeanwhile creative assembly is doing a tiny fucking arena with mobs bashing into each other and absolutely no concept of scouting, flanking, etc. and certainly no room for it either.They're basically making a lamer version of dawn of war but with no idea how to actually make interesting combat systems or mechanics, it is going to be such a glorious shitshow watching their game move forward. Dozens of hours of wonderful shitposting ahead.
>>728449543DEI is just that: a scam. They cash out on it and make a lot of money from NGOs and other groups that fund it. Plus add in the GW paypigs and it's an easy grift to farm. 40k has a lot of factions but CA said only 4 on launch. So any paypig who buys this knows full well he will need to buy DLCs to play as anyone else, and that wont be including DLCs for new "legendary lords" or whatever they will call them in this installment. The entire thing is just a scam for paypigs from GW because those people have no sense of dignity. >>728449668Those are obviously women, look at the lips and female features. They did this on purpose because after successfully making female Custodes they are implementing it for the Space Marines. I have no doubt female Space Marines will be present in this 40k TW game and GW paypigs will pay. up
>>728448834>how 40k secondaries think 40k should play
>>728449605>>728449713bro get a grip those look nothing like women
>>728449713>Those are obviously womenmaybe where you're from lmao
>>728449713Damn no idea where youre from but i dont envy you if thats what ladies look like over there
>>728449605You're arguing with an autist who thinks lying nullifies your point if you can't counter their lies or an autist who's face blind.Stop arguing with autists, they're not real people.
>>728449605looks perfectly androgynous, as expectedwhen they meet resistance they try and take it slow like that. Don't worry within 10 years 40k will be unrecognizable
>>728449796he doesn't actually believe that, it's just bait for (You)s
>>728449796>>728449807GW paypig cope. It's obviously female and there is a huge internet discussion about it because everyone knows they are female. GW got hit with backlash but you will stay paypig for them and, just like with Custodes, they will tell you that there are women Space Marines and that you already bought the models for them. GW released male Space Marine heads in the past and they didn't look like that, because those are clearly mixed-race women.
>>728449605>top leftI think thats a guy>top right, bottom left, bottom rightalright those are women
>>728449605Get your eyes checked man. Or move elsewhere with less ugly women lol
>>728449772and then there's this retard
>>728449605>gw's sweatshop 'eavy metal painter gives pencil eyebrows for no reason on a model smaller than the nail of a pinky>faceblind autists on the internet screech about it being a womanthey really need to replace their in-house painting style, it conflicts with a lot of their new model designsthey also need to fire their cadslop interns but that's a different discussion
>>728437646they could've just reused fantasy assets and instead we get this console shit mess
>>72844977240k is not fun and has never been funthe only thing good about the tabletop are the models and the lore.
>>728449946post models lmao
>>728450164>the lore.its been dogshit since it moved on from rogue trader
>>728450207people post the wildest shit in these threads man>its been dogshit since it moved on from rogue traderwhat are you even doing here lmao go start a family
>>728438407I am not touching anything that rolled out after 7th ED ended.
>>728450164aaannnndd the secondarynigger reveals xirselfYou are irrelevant to GW's eyes, they will NEVER pander to you and they will NEVER make decisions with you in mind. This hobby is ruled by the ones that actually engage with the hobby, and not faggots who read two or three shitty novels and then wikidive for 'le epin lore'
>>728450164I’ve had fun with Prohammer
>the one guy in the thread saying how 40k is totally not infested with leftards
>>728450280>fucking 7th, years after the lore and game was already ruinedPrimaris is literally made for you
>>728450280>7th EDbizarre
>>728437320unfortunately yeah,
>>728450394I saw someone post that most of the team that developed the original game left shortly after it launched, and that’s why Heretek sucks.I don’t know if that’s true or not but after playing the demo for Mechanicus 2 I can believe it. Feels like they completely whiffed on everything people liked about the original.
Both are console goyslop
>>728450553>twwh related video
>>728435038>Are Games Workshop retarded for double dipping and getting double the money?You a dunce? GW got a payday either way, the Devs(Publishers) foot the bill to get a license from GW. Whether the game is financially successful or not is out of GW's realm apart from bonuses or whatever.The DoW guys are probably wishing they'd known but modern 41k tards buy up every pile of shit anyway.
>>728435038CA is smart. They haven't produced a successful game in a long time but even if 40k is shit they will make a lot of money. Fans of Games Workshop will buy diarrhea if it has the logo on it.
>>728450353>>7284503657th ED still felt like 40K and didn't have shit like Femstodes.I ain't touching Primaris Shit.8th ED and everything after it feels like the MCU.
>>728449605Gee where did I see these before
>>728448662But nobody forces you to buy and play both immediately on release day. You can always play one of these (or both) later.
>>728450528>they completely whiffed on everything people liked about the original.Wrong, the OST is still great. And I really liked the demo overall. Could you elaborate on what you disliked?
>>728441256fuck old marineslop and fuck niggers always appearing in every possible setting>t. thunder warrior and squat fanboy
>>728451246>here are your new marines bro
>>728447910stop being anti-semitic
>>728435038>Assumed it was PC only because obviously>It's coming out on consoleswtf?
>>728453305PC master race on suicide watch
>>728453305GW fans will buy anything so CA knows it doesnt need to make a good game, just slap the 40k logo on it and market it as wide as possible and they will make huge profits from it.
>>728435425One is gonna be good and the other will be sold in pieces over the course of 10 years.
>>728446015Most performative act of consoomer rage I have ever read on this website
Just looking to see how much stuff from past games becomes lost technology in this one like it always happens. Looks like having 20 units in one army might have become too arcane to implement.
>>728448246>How the fuck do you make a game with less factions than DoW1 and 2.Are you retarded? Both games came up with only 4 factions too
>Eldar in at launchWe won
>>728456438Off model garbage
>>728453305>has to run smoothly on xbox series Soh no no no no AHAHAHAHAHA
>>728435038I'm expecting DoW4 next year and Total War 40k in 2027 minimum. There is plenty of time for both games.
>consoles
>>728458764Mods will fix it
I don't give a fuck about Total War games, they play like shit.Dawn of War 4 will be kino ONCE they add Chaos, Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tyranids. Necrons are the gayest shit imaginable.
>>728460293Off model garbage
>>728435425most people on this board only have purchasing power to buy 1(uno) game per year
>>728452979 LMAO imagine thinking anyone on here cares. Go back to ResetEra, you’re lost.
>>728436214Total Warhammer 1 also started with 4 playable factions and 2 unplayable... they made Chaos Warriors, a rather unfinished faction meant to be NPCs only, playable because "you can't launch the game without chaos" as a preorder DLC with corresponding results. Bretonnia existed but with only half of their roster.I expect something similar here: yes 4 races are playable, but more may exist with a reduced roster to be completed at a later date. For now the priority is to get the actual base game done. I.e. Chaos Space Marines may exist but are behavior wise literally JUST a reskin of the space marines and an NPC only faction. No unique units or mechanics.
>>728447708Total War allows you to give orders while pausing the game unless you play on the highest difficulty. That alone will make it playable on controller.
>>728460965This. Consile RTS typically fail becayse issuing commands and build orders via controller sucks and doesn't allow for proper micro. TW isn't a micro-heavy game and the 'base' building is flat out turn-based.Strategy games only work on consoles if they're turn based or you can pause to issue commands.
>>728449772total war is not the right franchise to do "primary" 40k with tabletop rules and scope, retard. It's a grand strategy game, not a skirmish simulator. You'd have to make it grand strategy scaled, and in a setting with machine guns and missiles and planes, that means making it a wargame-style game.Of course, that's not what CA is gonna do. Instead it will be exactly what you want, a small scale skirmish game with stupid gimmicky capture points. Despite that making absolutely no sense in the broader campaign context.
>>728459030>Total War games, they play like shit.original rome total war >>>> all DOW ever.
>>728440365wonder if DoW will get much DLC post-release or if they will just give up to CA making TW 40K a GAAS
>>728460965it would take you minutes to issue orders every 30 seconds with controller in any total war game up to date. they will dumb it down beyond recognition to make it playable on console.
>>728435038I have no hope for 40k vidya games, too many bad ones.
>>72844883440k fans don't want a real-time version of Epic, they just want games in the 40k scale to get released, or Space Marine action games
>>728462378>>728460965and that's even for the WH fantasy games, which have basically removed the positioning aspect of the tactical battles and turned them into card collector rock-paper-scissors gameplay based on clicking the attack order with the right unit type and having the right special abilities ready to gothe historical games have always required the ability to quickly and precisely position your army, a few dozen yards can make or break a battleline, and half a second too late or 10 meters to the left when issuing a cavalry move order can get them caught losing the battle for you. they already made it a MOBA-like to pander to retards who can't cope with things like formation-based infantry combat, now they will have to reduce unit counts and remove even things like ranged unit fields of fire to make it work
>>728454921The point of a new product is to be more appealing than the old product you FUCKING INBRED NIGGER.
>Total War Warhammer 40k>Looks like RTS>Dawn of War 4>Looks like Total War
