Would you voluntarily amputate a limb just to replace it for a cybernetic prosthesis?
>>728451894No, it's retarded.
>>728451894Yes, flesh is weak.
Doesn't that mess with your blood pressure?
>>728451894No but maybe an eye for night vision or an ear...
>>728451894Depends, will the corpos be able to track my every move through it and remotely hack it? I'd rather not if that's the case.
>>728451894I'd be more machine than human if I had the technology and money.
your robot arm firmware gets bricked or eos and you just die
haing to take immunosuppressants for the rest of my life seems like a massive downgrade in life enjoyment
>>728451894>say word>arm disabledNo thanks.
No it would be way too expensive and would require updates that just make it worse. Still I'd be more likely to go for a robot arm than a brain chip. I'm not getting fucking brain surgery to install a mental AR display only to have the gen 2 version come out a month later
>>728452071I see you're another Adeptus enjoyer...
Yes, my body is nothing but trouble for me. I would rather have Apple see what I see than spend another day in this defective cage god has put me in.
>>728451894I'm not a shadowrunner or anything like that so I don't really have any reason to. My current arm works fine for my purposes and I don't have any immediate need for the strength of a mechanical arm. I guess it could be superior at jacking off or some shit but I'm a simple man and don't need things like that to get off as long as I've got some good vanilla hentai doujins.
>>728451894Only if I can control what firmware is uploaded to my arm, and there are no loopholes how could the glowies choke me with my own arm.
>>728451894If there were no downsides, like rejection syndrome, or some corporation spying on me through it (yeah I know, they are already spying on me through my phone and computer, but I still wouldn't want them to know how many strokes of my dick it takes for me to get off).And if it was also objectively better than my bio-limb, then maybe.
>>728451894Only if it was necessary.You'd have to take immuno-boosters because the loss of a limb is a loss of bone marrow that produces white and red blood cells as well as regulating your hormones and such else.
>>728451894I feel like there are too many factors that need to be taken into account to answer this question properly.Like how trustworthy are the manufacturers? How does the limb function exactly? What benefits does it have that my regular limbs don't? If I decide I don't like it, can I just get a tube-grown flesh arm reattached?Too many variables, I'm good.
>>728451894Not if I can prevent it. I would be more interested in a brain enhancement chip, but we would have to consider the dangers and corporate espionage. My ideal would be to transplant my consciousness into a machine, but we are very far from a reliable result for that.
>>728451894No. Even with organ donations you have to take medicines for the rest of your life to stop your body from rejecting them. If I lost them some other way sure, but chroming out just to become a cyborg is fucking dumb.
>>728451894Mainly a supply questionCan I have one without fucking with surpressors? Can I fix and maintain that thing with my own 3d printer? Sure, saw awayBut somehow I am not very willing to pay Elon or Zuckerberg extra subscriptions for a fapping DLC on my hand, or to need a daily med dosage that gives my immune system nu-aids to accommodate the wire
>>728451894>do you need to pay the corpo tip forever to stay alive?>is it better in every conceivable way compared to my flesh appendages with zero downsides?>XPOOR
If it works, it works
>>728451894I'd probably break some lifting world records with it so of course>>728452307That only happens with transplanted organs. Artificial organs and limbs do not have this problem, hence why we advocate for them
>>728452551>If I decide I don't like it, can I just get a tube-grown flesh arm reattached?That made me wonder how long we can in theory keep your own arm alive and reattachable at this point
if I'm choosing to lose the limb right at that moment, I would need to see it get torched to ashes in front of me. if the tech for fantasy cybernetics exists, so must cloning, and I don't want a Luuuuke situation happening from the fine print of the contract for the cyberlimb
>>728451894I imagine that would bring more problems than it'd solve.
Any company that would be capable of making technology like this is pure evil, so no
>Chop your own arm>To get prosthetics which will react slower than the OG fleshCmon, you might as well go bioware if you can shill out the cash>Inb4 no, no you see we'll just insert some sort of neural implant into yo brainAsking for trouble
>>728451894Hello, Elon! I have a better idea. Instead of cutting off one of the arms and replacing it with a cybernetic arm, try to attach a third cybernetic arm to the person. See the image.
>>728451894Yes. Assuming I'm not spied on 24/7 with it, I get a better, more reliable and longer lasting arm that also doubles as a blunt metal weapon that can easily win me any fight
>>728451894hacking your arm and forcing you to jack me off
i wouldnt mind a robo eye with a zoom function
>pay out the ass for anti-rejection drugs and maintenance for the rest of my lifeI will never ask for this.
>>728451894Replace a perfectly functioning limb? Absolutely not.But if I somehow lost that limb to an accident or disease previously, then it's obviously a big "Why not?".
>>728451894not cause I am not a tranny.
>>728451894The creator gods of mankind Odinn, Willy and Ve (Veles) created people with two arms. Cutting off one of the arms and replacing it with a mechanical arm would be a distortion of their idea. The idea of implanting a third arm, a cybernetic arm, or a mechanical arm is much better than the idea of cutting off an arm. Some group of people may benefit from a third hand.
>>728454876cutting off one arm to replace it with a mechanical one looks like a deterioration, a downgrade, and adding a third arm, mechanical, cybernetic, electronically-mechanical arm, looks like an upgrade or an attempt at an upgrade.
yeah, everyone says they wouldn't because of the immunosuppressants cocktail, but what if we go even further beyond and just replace every non vital part with mechanical parts, I don't suppose that we'll ever know how much of a human you can just cut away and still have a functional human entity within the machine, and I think this is boring, we should have a way to find out for the sake of finding out, I could at least have a rad floating wheelchair if all else fails
>>728452263Please take the covid-2077 digital vaxine, it's safe and effective
I don't have to pay a subscription fee to use my natural arm, I don't have to worry about it breaking down unless I do something stupid with it, I don't have to worry about it being remote-controlled, disabled or confiscated because I pissed off the government or some rich kike, I don't have to worry about dying from sepsis because I have an appliance grafted onto an open wound. So what's the advantage of your plastic limb that makes all the downsides worth it? Sell me on it.
>>728454324Not really my field, but I think we are still much much further away from splicing/adding a route to the brain or talking the brain into connecting to something additional than from having passable replacements?But hey, I sure won't complain when j-pop girls can have tails
Just get the whole ass robot instead of mutilating yourself.
>>728451894On one hand (lmao)>cybernetics are cool shit>would probably be better than normal arm>zerking off would be interestingBut on the other hand>expensive>corpo rat fucks probably would probably use it to track me and constantly spy on me, even worse than having a phone>zerking off would probably be dangerousI dont' know
>>728452082Blood pressure isnt even the worst to comeWillingly - never
>>728451894I wouldn't hack off a healthy limb for it, but it would be comforting to know the option was available if I did lose a limb for whatever reasonThere's probably be a lot less fat old people if they could get legs/knees that don't hurt like hell to walk on, and they know what losing their mobility is like
>>728452000>>728452071The binarity of Mankind
>>728454090>the Lab messes up and you get to bang your female cloneMaybe worth it
>>728455249have you heard of the ship of theseus?
>>728452071Replace your brain first.
>>728452082No. It's not like the blood that would have been in the limb gets pumped back into the rest of your body.
then why are robots desperately trying to mimic life?
>>728457000Temporary stepping stone before everything transitions to virt.
>>728452071>the flesh is weak>meanwhile the entire mechanicus is slave to a flesh and blood super psyker who impersonated the machine godlmao never has a faction's thesis be refuted in its own setting like this
>>728451894If it's better, safe, useful, not bankrupt inducing, etc, why not
>Full roboto body, minus brainYour brain will never be able to use it in the same way it can operate your current shit. Your reflexes/speed will be shit.
>>728457086the corpse emperor is also more machine than flesh by now
>>728456628That's probably the only way we'll ever get off this Godless rock.
Why replace your existing arms instead of just getting some new detachable ones?
>>728451894it'd only be good if you're the first tester.
>>728451894Hell no
>>728457280doubtful that even is 'flesh' besides whatever he instantiates for the job at hand, but okay
>>728451894my knees are fucked so I'd replace my legs
>>728451894hell yeah
>>728451894Not first gen tech, but maybe second or third gen
>tfw I will see prosthetic technology advance far enough in my lifetime to make my fetish obsolete
>>728451894If there was no other option, and it needed to be amputated, sure.
>>728453141lol
>>728451894I would replace my entire body with robot partsImagine playing vidya using only brain signals
>>728451894>Would you voluntarily amputate a limb just to replace it for a cybernetic prosthesis?No. I fucking hate gadgets, gizmos, AI, machines in general, and we didn't even need to get to sci-fi times to start getting blatant daily examples of how every software tech ceo is unironically the biggest, minoritiest, capuchin-monkey-dipshit, hack fraud. There is no reality where you install a tech-arm onto your body and it isn't an enormous downgrade in every way that matters: ads, software updates, proprietary parts, artificial scarcity, high-skill-niche-resource parts dependent on a complex series of global trade routes, planned obsoletion, mattress-sticker-branding that's illegal to remove, etc.. etc..I remain cautiously optimistic about genetic engineering though.
>>728460354>mattress-sticker-branding that's illegal to removeI ask this in a sincerely very non-sexual way: A/S/L?
>>728453141>>728452307This.Neuroallink and a bunch of the others still hasn't solved this. Its kinda meaningless to get a neural implant if the body is going to try to eject it within a few months.
>>728451894Yeah my left hand is fucked bro
>>728451894>get a scratch on my current arm>wait a few days and it's gone>get a scratch on an artificial arm>that will be $1299.99 plus a tip
I'd get a plastic dick if the technology was on the level.
>>728451894That cybertech better be something magical. My arm can detect heat being added or leaving it, detects touch, pressure, texture. It registers if it's damaged and how it was damaged. It is self-repairing, entirely integrated into my body, requires no maintenance, no upgrades, no software. Cannot be hacked, can't get malware. It's exactly as strong as is appropriate for what I usually use it for. It allows for excellent spatial awareness. If the cybernetics can do all that, AND provide additional functionality, then maybe I would. Otherwise, no.
>>728461426I ask same but in very sexual way
No. They always look so stupidly designed, like the majority of the limb is just bare metal and doesn't have any kind of material that could feasibly be providing touch sensation, so there'd be a hard numbness all over it
>>728451894I would change my eyes for some Kiroshi and reinforced my spine since its damaged. If that counts
>>728451894Yes, depending on how good the trade off is
>>728451894>You WILL replace your body with our faulty motors>You WILL pay our technicians to add more motors>You WILL pay for our wireless software update subscriptions>You WILL have no recourse when our startup crashes and you need to have your motors removed because we can’t update themThe sad part is this shit actually happens to people https://spectrum.ieee.org/amp/bionic-eye-obsolete-2656624624
>>728462502>dog with rabies scratches you're bioArm>die>dog with rabies scratches you're GigaCHADSteelArm v3>diseased animal explode right after
>>728451894While I have functioning arms still? Fuck no. When my arms begin to fail due to arthritis, join diseases and bone degradation associated with aging? Yes. Same goes for the spine.
>armlmaoI'm getting my whole brain scooped out and put into a robot bodyThen I'm gonna trick anons into plapping me
>>728451894Why do you have to amputate a limb?
>>728451894Voluntarily? No. If I lost a limb and it was an option? Absolutely
>>728457280>the corpse emperorCool it with the heresy.
>>728465131I live in a country with rabies vaccines Rajesh
>>728451894>miss a payment>arm stops working
>>728452401>literally the iron hands warcry>mechanicusanon, you might want to replace your brain.
>>728456628I'll take one tiny brain, regular quality.
>>728465717>trick
>>728467485this, anon is a whore down to their souls
Bump
>>728452401Dad?
>>728465717I'd plap you with no tricks you slut
>>728461626*can't* solve it without immunosuppressants is the best parton top of that the actual mechanics aren't there for limb-grade dexterity, even uncoordinated human dexterity has better tactility, coordination, response time and feedback than machines can provideON TOP OF THAT brain-machine interfaces aren't happening for long term prosthetic use (brain just rejects it) so all the brain-chip conspiracy theorists that believe a social security number doesn't count as a form of unique personal ID, and the tech bros obsessed with having control over brain chips, all shrivel into corn cobs every time they do monkey experiments on BMIs and brain chips and just end up with a room full of dead monkeys
>>728452071My brother.
>>728451894If there were like magical nanomachines that can handle maintenance and repairs, the thing runs on an eternal battery and has all the functions of my natural arm (+more), then sure. Otherwise, no.
>>728456593yes, but it doesn't apply to humans as you think, my removed arm is NOT me, I -Am- me that I exist, not THE arm of, my continuance is me, not my legs, a leg alone has no memory and no sentience, therefore it is not me, what vessel I am in only changes my functions and mobility, but I am me that I exist.
>>728451894I'd turn my entire body into a cybernetic anthro wolf if I could
>>728451894If it was actually better than a regular arm i'd consider it. But in this day and age i sure as fuck wouldn't.
>>728451894dude fuck yeah
>>728451894If there's no weird twisty cost, sure
>>728451894No, cuz it's likely to have planned obsolescence, subscriptions, online required for single player type shit in it because it'll be made for profit. Open source, spare parts, made to be easily maintained and modified to the user's preference would be better but probably still no.
>>728451894No, unless my limbs were rendered paralyzed or otherwise nonfunctional.
Give me full nanomachine conversion or give me nothing.
>>728451894>>728452071>requires constant maintenance>you are screwed if you a stranded in a place with no supply optionHave fun seeing your prosthetic becoming obsolete and thus no longer supported
>>728451894>Constant maintenance>can't heal itself>need supplies, thus fucked if stranded>spyware>planned obsolescence, and no more parts
>>728465049There's also the woman that had her epilepsy warning implant taken from her for the same reason. She even offered to buy it, because it was a colossal QoL improvement but no dice.
> pichis dad's paying for itin other words, its coming out of his patrimonysome niggas just too dumb to see the larger picture
>>728471607>>728471809>>you are screwed if you a stranded in a place with no supply option>need supplies, thus fucked if strandedthis is equally true for regular people...please refer to the art of war if you need a reminder that soliders do in fact need to eat or they die
>>728451894no, that's dumb, but i would happily avail myself of a high-tech science fiction prosthetic if i needed one and if it was affordable or at little to no cost to myself.though i gotta be honest with you, the promise of future humanity being augmented with cyborgs everywhere looks vanishingly unlikely. augmentation has several problems, such as how to anchor non-organic elements to the organic frame. it is simply more affordable and ultimately it will be much more simple to grow new organs, and eventually this will be extended to limbs i'm sure. it is only a matter of time; nothing stops the relentless march of progress towards transhumanism.the only thing standing in the way is fundamentalists and luddites.
>>728452071Make me into a weapon of fury
>>728473315oh yeah, nice to add additional dependency to that, real war artsy
>>728451894>Would you voluntarily amputate a limb just to replace it for a cybernetic prosthesis?Only if we are at a tech-level where they can store or replace my original arms.A lot of cyberpunk setting have features that would only be feasible if we already mastered genetic to literally program it to be compatible.I think that was a major plot point of Deus Ex Machina... finding the trick to prevent the body from rejecting implant.
>>728451894>No amputation>Full body prosthesis anywayThe brainworms are very specific.
>>728451894If I could trust humans to not be gay and put in wifi and cut corners on it, sure.But that's just not a world we'll ever be in, so no.
>>728451894If there's no rejection, no need to recharge and I get to keep my tactile senses then yeah
You'd need a hell of a power source to fuel that thing without needing to charge it constantly, said fuel source as a battery would mean you're walking around with essentially a bomb on your robot arm. It would need to remarkably durable to be equivalent to a normal human arm, which mends itself over time.
>>728457376>Why replace your existing arms instead of just getting some new detachable ones?Because your brain & body instinct didn't evolve to be capable of managing more arms at once, even with training and preprogrammed reflex.
>>728473909>Deus Ex Machinaare you referring to Deus Ex the games?what i remember is, in Human Revolution, augmented people take special immunosuppressants to stop glial tissue building up around the interface chip augmentations use, which results in death since augmentations will fail to work when this happens.Adam Jensen exhibits none of this characteristic tissue build-up, and although I don't think they ever really address this, he was either a lab rat like JC or they (Page et. al.) simply cloned him. One of the games has a Jensen clone in a tube.By the time of Deus Ex there are fewer people with mechanical augmentations, and newer augments do not depend on the chip or cause this rejection to occur.Any hardcore fans feel free to correct me because it has been a decade or more.
I want a cool arm, not that twinkshit
>>728474371augmenting the brain to expand your sensorium, with control of the limbs largely relegated to the augment; requires concentration to use willfully.
>>728451894if i could put my brain in a robot body and live for hundreds of years, i would without hesitation. our bodies are garbage, and not designed to withstand the world we inhabit very well. i want augmentations to become real and mainstream asap. we should be devoting WAY more of our human resources to perfecting organ replacement.
>>728451894always loved the design in this gamethe whole game is just so fucking cool and has great aesthetics.
>>728470467Indeed, I would not being uploaded into a new body if I trusted our civilization to not give total control to a minority of plutocrat who just happened to be lucky.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0EOh by the way, here's your free-body.As part of the free(c) maintenance, your brain processing power is used for crypto-mining and your memories are automatically shared with the sponsors.
>>728474821>>728474371Pretty sure we once dealt with having tails before, maybe even more or less prehensile.
>>728451894i have stage 3-4 cartilage damage in my knee, my patellar cartilage is fucked up and i can't even go up the stairs without it hurting, even after a bunch of physical therapy and lubricant injectionsif i did an above the knee amputation and put in a good prosthetic, i'm pretty sure i could, with enough training, start competing in marathons, whereas with my current leg i can't even run for 30 seconds without it hurting
I'd rather a slim exosuit than cybernetics.
>>728474903i understand the impulse but stop to consider: you are more than your a mind in a brain. your brain is oxygenated with your blood; that blood has chemicals your body produces, these chemicals shape and define your cognition. your entire existence as a living thing is a fusion of mind and body; your lived experience is bodied.without a human body you would not be human in any real sense. it's very probable you would begin to lose touch with your humanity. you might very well go insane, we have no way of knowing.
>>728474371Pretty sure I read a few years ago that the human brain wasn't having problems controlling extra limbs after a while because people kept making Doc Ock jokes. Some kind of prosthetics trial.
>>728474476Yes I was, silly of me to manually autocomplete like that.To be honest I've never completed the few games of it I have, despite loving cyberpunk setting in general. I just don't have the time to invest myself in those gameplay.I'd also rather have new game than sequel upon sequel upon sequel or prequel...
Would touching boobs with that robo hand feel the same?
>>728475029the most disturbing part of this is when they delete every copyrighted piece of content you ever consumed from your cloned memory. holy christ.
>>728451894Yes, but cyber animal parts.
>>728475183I didn't say anything about not keeping my own blood, and if we're getting grisly, the nervous system would likely be imported as well, to the extent that is possible, and necessary to provide tactile feedback, and other sensory input.
>>728474371>Gazing upon the instruments of betrayalTwo arms is already more than most people can manage, I'm sure we can adapt to having more in no time at all.
I'd be an Adrian Barbeau bot!
>>728475696I like the way you think.
>>728475408You should play them because they are fun, but reading about the world and what happens is also fun. As cyberpunk dystopia go it's extremely prescient and fascinating. Great music too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUMNDLZ9B0M&list=PLKkxnBwFOJGKYQo3EGYjE4FhJUbBq_2U5&index=84There are not even particularly long games. Probably 20-30 hours absolute max.
Why don't they let you keep your own parts when they amputate stuff? If I lost my leg I'd at least want to shave it down and keep my femur as a club, dammit.
>>728451894Only if:1) It is seriously damaged2) It is causing incessant pain3) Regular/affordable care is out of the question4) Power to operate the prosthetic is able to be siphoned from my own body (IE complete power independence) 5) No input-lag6) No reduction in ability compared to organic limb (within reason)7) Compete software/hardware independence (I decide when/if it gets upgrades of any type and how to repair the prosthetic should something break)8) ZERO wifi/bluetooth/future-wireless tech able to interact with it9) ZERO tech beyond the prosthetic and the interface with skin/muscle/bone below it
>>728474821Augmenting the brain require a tech-level that make singularity a bad joke.I don't disagree you could in theory offload to the robot-limb but there's only so much you can do before the cyber-limb require to be a full AI psychoanalysing you to not get your intent wrong>>728475073We have vestigial tail-bones yes, but controlling one would still require some kind of instinct or some focus.>>728475187I'll require more arguments because as far I know the state of the art is giving back prosthetic control to people who have lost limbs, or experiment with implant that require focus & training to do anything while you ignore your normal limb.
>>728451894I would replace my legs. I like to go hiking a lot but my knees constantly hurt. Hiking poles help a bit but I would replace them.
>>728475604And the next legislation will also require you to get written authorization to remember a person (and their history) post-upload
>>728475769you can't have "your" blood without your body; blood cells are produced in bone marrow. they need to be replenished regularly. you would probably have some sort of synthetic replacement in a cyborg body.as for implanting your nervous system... probably not medically feasible, honestly. possible, perhaps, but with a high risk of failure. definitely check out any plasticized body event you can; they have one in Las Vegas last time I went at the Luxor. seeing an entire human nervous system minus the body is an experience.
>>728476006I could spend 30h playing instead of being here, but it will barely be worth it, even with great music.I know enough science-fiction (and storytelling in general) that most game todays are just successions of old tropes to me and I often end up prescient over the exact concept a story will be about.Doesn't help that many gameplay loops of, say Deus Ex:HR, feel like retropunk to my sensibilities.Last cyberpunk game I played that actually surprised me in its tropes was Cloudpunk and it's mostly a story game.
>>728451894Probably not unless I got stuck with arthritis.Inject me with sci-fi fantasy nanomachines though any day though.
>>728466383You're a dumb nigger, you're a dumb gorilla nigger.I gave rabies as an example but it could be a disease that there are no vaccines for yet you dumb fuck.And you have the audacity to call me a Rajesh when you can't think 5 seconds ahead.
>>728451894from the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine.Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass that you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you.
Depends on the system. In Deus Ex you have to constantly buy and take immuno drugs for the rest of your life or you die. Fuck thatIf it worked off of a cyberpunk 2077 type system I would do it.
>>728451894i'd definitely replace my non-dominant hand for some cool cyberware, probably my legs too, and at that point why not just implant some battle armaments in my chest
>>728451894You have no idea how much I hate my shitty, tired, fat legs and how I fantasize constantly about replacing them with cool, powerful robot legs.
>>728451894Take the Hi-Fi Rush pill on this topic.Only augment yourself if you HAVE TO. In order to simply survive.
>>728477489>when you can't think 5 seconds ahead.you've could've picked an appropriate example the first time and chosen not to be a retard you brown imbecile.
>>728477528That's an interesting perspective, thought I do like the chaos of biology in my life.
>>728451894Only if I had a fucked up hand or crippling arthritis or something, body-modders are fucked in the head.
>>728478357Cope jew, you've been spotted
>>728451894Can i have sex with toasters when i do it?
>>728457280And he's significantly weaker for it to the point that mankind went from crusading through the stars to fighting for survival. Thanks for adding to Anon's point.
>>728456756Where does it go? I to my penis? Do i get a fatter penis if i chop my limbs of?
>>728451894there is no such thing as a cybernetic prosthesiswe can't integrate technology with the body it just doesn't work, we will literally have vat grown body parts sooner than cybernetic armsif there's a future in this it will be some kind of biomechanical thing like warframe, not warhammer or cyberpunk prosthetics
>>728478730do know Lieutenant Dan? after he lost his legs he got depressed because his dick got too big to fit
>>728478980but will it be sexy?
>>728474371that genuinely isn't a problem, your brain automatically adapts, we've tested this already with people controlling arms using BMI interfacesit's one of the reasons you're able to drive, in fact, because your brain treats objects and tools as an extension of your bodywell, it does in white people, not so sure about the browns
i used to think it was coolafter years of being inudated with the disgusting shit corpos do as if it was tuesday, i have no hope for the tech anymore. you will be a lab rat for their beta versions, they will cut corners and build in dubious functionality, you will probably get horribly mangled from a software glitch or nonexistent security leading to the arm being easily hacked or compromised, wait five years for a class action lawsuit just for the corpo’s political cronies to pardon or bail them out. the level of investment you would need to even make a viable market-ready product for this guarantees it will be made by a corpo who would happily see you burn in hell for eternity if they could get $22.90 a month for itfuck no
>>728478980we actually do have implantable prosthetics, they are fairly rare and expensive but they do exist. legs are one of the easiest to do, and i believe that was the first commercially available prosthetic.they freak me out because they anchor it in the bone with a steel rod. now, i presume they reinforce this anchor as much as possible, but still i imagine falling and landing in such a way to providing juuuust the right amount of torque to split your bone lengthwise. and that's just normal stuff.for superpowered arms that don't just rip off when you try to lift a dumpster, you would need to replace major portions of the abdomen with an anchoring system of the strongest stuff. imagine how invasive THAT surgery would be, you'd have to rework almost the entire abdominal cavity.
>>728452000fpbp. it's only worth the risk if you already have to amputate because of a tumor or something. no need to get rid of a healthy limb otherwise
>>728479510a lot of scifi just pretends like you can cut an arm off, stuck a cup shaped but on your stump and voila, new arm replacement that's even stronger than a regular armbut actually your arm is connected to your spine and shoulder blade there are dozens of muscles providing stability and control as well as power and leverage, you cannot just swap out an arm you have to replace every one of those muscles too>>728479787a lot of people are unfortunately dumb and see surgery as some kind of magic spell rather than what it actually is - butchery
>>728452071>>728452232>>728452401Closed-source cybernetics will suck in real life because they will be subject to subscription fees, planned obsolescence, extortionist service fees, or even abandonware status (this already happened with the Argus visual prosthesis, though it sounds like another company began supporting it). Think of all the nightmares involved with buying and maintaining a modern car, except now it's grafted onto your body.The Mechanicus is somehow one of the few ways to make cybernetics work if you don't have millions of dollars lying around to deal with these issues. It's definitely not intentional, because we all know GW is retarded. Think about it.>no development of new equipment, so planned obsolescence is impossible>the mechanicus Never Deletes Anything™ so maintenance of your augmentics will be possible essentially forever since the procedures are religiously catalogued>also said augmentics are considered more valuable than you>you're part of a priestly order that will more or less make sure your robotic body is in good working order forever>unless you're wearing archeotech, replacement parts will always be abundant, or at least can be fabricated readily without patented processes
>>728479337It IS a problem and I've never heard of BMI test that didn't involve neglecting other movement while thinking very hard to person one robotic movement.>it's one of the reasons you're able to drive, in fact, because your brain treats objects and tools as an extension of your bodyThat's completely different, you are able to drive because we made control SIMPLE enough for your brain to not be overwhelmed while your body is mostly static.And driving rules were codified to not require fine control, leaving you a lot of room & time to correct any mistake.Just like piloting aircraft is also simpler than it look, only requiring lot of training because you cannot afford any "oops!".Even without becoming a cyborg-juggler, you might not be able to control EXTRA robot arms finely enough to pick up & break an eggs while ALSO doing something else with your bioarms.
>>728451894today? no. in 1000 years? maybe.
>>728471607Assuming you are in your 20s, you have ~20-25 years before your limbs start to degrade and go to shit no matter what you do. Well built robo arm will last longer than that and have options for upgrade.Paying 5 to even 10k per limb is piss in the water compared to trying arthritis and other random shit.
>>728451894i dunno if i would do it to my limbs, but i'd get robot eyes for sure. i got astigmatism in both eyes, keratoconus (wrinkles of the surface of the eye), floaters. Glasses put me close to 20/20 but you could do so much with actual mechanical eyeballs man. gimme some 5x zoom and a storage solution so i an film pov onlyfans content with my eyes in 3d.
>>728469580I thought immunosuppressants just slowed down scar tissue formation in the brain and it would eventually render the implant useless anyway. But I am not a brain doctor.
>>728480820I've got a family history of fucked knees and I've seen how even with expensive knee surgery you're still fucked.Fucking sign me up for a robot leg if that shit gets me too anyday.
>>728479510>for superpowered arms that don't just rip off when you try to lift a dumpster, you would need to replace major portions of the abdomen with an anchoring system of the strongest stuff. imagine how invasive THAT surgery would be, you'd have to rework almost the entire abdominal cavity.>>728479850>but actually your arm is connected to your spine and shoulder blade there are dozens of muscles providing stability and control as well as power and leverage, you cannot just swap out an arm you have to replace every one of those muscles too
>>728451894I'd only get a cybernetic prosthesis if I'm in a fucked up horrible accident, provided said prosthesis is actually useful and not just there to cope. If the latter I'll just walk around incomplete
>>728481054yeah immunosuppressants actually do doodle-pip against brain insertions, it still considers anything placed into it regardless of chemical neutrality to be a foreign body and surrounds it in glial scar tissue and immunosuppressing just makes it take a little longer
>>728451894Yes.When I turned 18 I had my entire mouth of normal teeth taken out and replaced with all-on-8 implants because I think teeth are stupid.If there were a prosthesis that were objectively better than a normal arm/leg in some way, with a blameless track record and seamless nerve hookup, no reason not to.But it won’t happen in my lifetime since the next 20+ years of software is going to be vibe coded buggy spaghetti slop.
>>728452071Look at the all legions of crude biomass that will wither, soon they will beg our kind to save them.
>>728482040you must have had a fucked Mountain Dew mouth to get a dentist to agree to that shit. i refuse to believe a doctor yanked healthy teeth.
>>728461626>NeuroallinkWhy try to link it to your nervous system at all? Attach it to existing muscle tissue, have the arm detect when that tissue is trying to contract, and have the servos in the mechanical arm activate in response.
>>728482698>Why try to link it to your nervous system at all>have the arm detect lol
>>728482548Movie stars do it. You ever wonder how all of them seem to have perfect pristine white teeth? It's because they have a dentist grind their real teeth down to little nubs and attach fake perfect teeth to the nubs.
>>728482793>have the arm detect The neural signal still goes to your preexisting muscle tissues. The contraction of your native tissue is what activates the arm.This is already how some advanced prosthetics work today.
>>728482913how about the fingers, the most important part of the arm
>>728482698Because lag. Brain tells arm to contract, fake arm detects this, tells the fake arm to contract. As opposed to the fake arm having a direct connection to your cns which eliminates a step.
most of the prosthetic yesmen think it would work just because but at this point you might believe in magic which is way cooler
>>728483012OP said "would you voluntarily amputate a limb" so I'm assuming we have an existing arm to mutilate, not that we're trying to replace a stump
>>728483157Magic and tech are both cool, for different reasons.
>>728451894Only to replace my lost limb
>>728483328>techexcept it's not tech, it's wishywashy thinking that if we ignore everything then it would totally work. it's magic for the other kind of nerds.
>>728451894I'm already half crippled in one arm so yeah, I'd take my chances if there's no rejection of cybernetic limbs
Can I instead replace my existing penis with an 18 inch robo horse cock with adjustable sensitivity that ejaculates chocolate?
>>728483432>that ejaculates chocolateAn ejaculation would have nasty consequences for the receiving pussy
>>728483408>except it's not techwhat are you on about?Humanity already has quite advanced fake arms and hands.
>>728451894Take my legs, they're getting arthritic.
>>728483324and what's good about a metal stump? modern, noncybernetic, prosthetics focus on fingers and wrist. "just" focus on muscle contractions has been tried and isn't that good and definitely not what op intended.
>>728480949>accept terms and conditions>say bad word>blindno thanks, they can't even have my eyes when im dead
>>728455531>I don't have to pay a subscription fee to use my natural armWhat is food
>>728451894>make my body part hijackableWhy.
>>728483432You need a chocolate dick that ejaculate money anon, you got it all wrong again
>>728484013a basic human need. subscription fee for an arm is something additional, that might render you unable to even get food which you need not just for the arm but to live altogether.
Depends, but if you're asking purely in a taboo sense "would you replace your arm with a 1:1 artificial prosthetic" I probably would if my arm was fucked up enough, like permanent nerve damage or chronic pain stopping me from enjoying life and no successful treatment.
>>728482548Dentists only care about getting paid. I got one “you sure?” and that was it.
>>728475183>without a human body you would not be human in any real sense. it's very probable you would begin to lose touch with your humanity. you might very well go insane, we have no way of knowing.I do that for free here. May as well get a robo body out of it.
>>728455531an ideal prosthetic would be some modern carbon fiber that's mechanical components, and hot-swappable.So >no subs>not remote-controllable As well as a clean amputation and cauterization, so no chance of sepsis either.You'd essentially have a much stronger arm that could be freely swapped/upgraded.Granted I think prosthetics are a stop-gap until we have freely available 3d printing of biomass that could also be modded, so you could change the properties of your skin for similar effects.
>Deus ExTranshumanism is corporate dystopia pushed to the extreme, where people literally sell their body and minds to the system and are then set aside when rendered obsolete. As stated by the main writer, it's an allegory for progress going hand in hand with precaritization of the economy and increasing wealth inequality.>Nu ExTranshumanism is cool and if you disagree you're a religious nutjob or an elite who fears mankind will grow too powerful to control. It doesn't work, but only because of sabotage from said elite. It's... just text. No subtext.inb4 prequel lovers pretending Nu Ex is secretly deep or claiming Deus Ex is dumb akshually
>>728451894If the technology was perfect? Yeah maybe, I got shitty genes and have gout so wouldn't mind lopping off that foot with a robo one.But healthy limbs? Nah probably not
>>728485374What's that Nu Ex you refer to? Because even Human Revolution shows that augs are shit and corporate controlled, exhibited best by last level where auged workers turn feral on you.
>>728486098And to add, the original doesn't deal much with transhumanism. You've got Gunther and Anna who are psyched out and of course Denton a vatbaby superhuman, but it's more about the government and corporate control overall. It's the prequel who took the aug angle forefront.
>>728452082No, blood pressure balances itself out. A missing limb means less blood needed in your body overall. Apparently missing limbs is optimal for fighter pilots and other high altitude activities so it would be beneficial blood wise
>>728486242Bob Page's plan is to merge with an AI to control humanity, how much more transhumanist can it get?
>>728486393Yeah, but that plays into the other AIs you meet who monitor and evaluate populace. There's little to none comments on how mechanically auged average people are better or worse, that's the prequel.
>one (1) solar flare or emp fries technocucks' brains instantlyNice "evolution", tin men.
>>728486242>It's the prequel who took the aug angle forefront.That's the problem. In cyberpunk, augmentations aren't about augmentations and Nu Ex misses that. Deus Ex finds the very notion of augmentations repugnant not for religious or luddite reasons but because it's dehumanizing. Society is obsessed with progress and efficiency to the point of turning people into cogs, both figuratively and literally, that can best serve the system.
>>728486838But there's none of that in Deus Ex? The question of mechanical augs ends on Gunther and Anna and they're considered an outdated way and they're fully modded government killers. That's it, they're a world building sidenote. You don't meet people who have a limb changed and suffer from that. I'm starting to think you've played neither.
>>728486838HR has both angles. there are news articles about promising athletes and artists who got mangled and then had their lives restored by Saris Industries or Versalife, but there is also the Illuminati plan to make augged people insane in order to turn humanity at large from augmentation. There are utopian and dystopian arguments.I think the game was brilliant in how it provides an opportunity for the player to be duped in this conspiracy. You can either get your chip replaced during the recall or you can skip it. I had played DX and learned enough to know the recall was almost certainly a ruse, probably you can put together the whole plan in emails from hacked computers, it's been a while. My friend who was clueless got his chip replaced, it was fun watching him panic during that boss fight later.
>>728483519>pouring oil down drain.jpegNot my problem.
>>728452071maybe your flesh is weak you little basedboy - speak for yourself
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>>728452071>Replace perfectly integrated, self-healing part with crude, expensive external fascimile chained to an exploitive medical corporationUh huh
>>728451894only if its basically still an organic arm with my dna but perpetually jacked and with much stronger bones and tendons.If i want cybernetics i'd just get an iron man arm over my real one
>>728451894No, I'm not a retarded techno/amputation fetishistIt would have to be a ridiculous level of science fiction of both perfect augmentation and superior performance before it'd be even worth considering
>>728484695You didn't address repair. An intricate machine like a robotic limb would break down occasionally, and parts/repairs would be expensive. Looking at current political trends, you should also worry about having services denied to you based on your race, political affiliations, and social credit score.>You'd essentially have a much stronger armFor what purpose? Self-defense? I've got a gun for that. Manual labor? Just use power tools. In other words, they are a solution to problems that have already been solved in ways that don't disfigure your body into corporate servitude.
>>728451894I like them in theory. But I'm now down with buying a body party designed with planned obsolescence in mind.
>>728486736>One bad fall cripples your limbA great deal more likely than that solar flare, too
>>728487876right to repair is gaining traction. if augmentation became a reality tomorrow there is a good chance it would add additional pressure to the movement. people want to be able to fix their cars and gadgets; people will REALLY want to be able to fix their limbs. and the Tim Cooks of the world will have targets on their backs in Minecraft if they try to stop it.
>>728451894no
>>728482698Because rich people who think they're futurists think it sounds cool and don't want to throw money at practical and useful solutions to things.
>>728487059>You don't meet people who have a limb changed and suffer from that. I'm starting to think you've played neither.
>>728458048NopeYou'll get personalized ai generated ads built into your OS and you will like it
>>728483963anon do you really think there wouldn't be things like underground clinics where you could get this shit done without the botnet? cmon man. if we're gonna fantastize about robo prosthetics at least imagine a cooler cyberpunk dystopia than the one we're already living in.
>>728455531>I don't have to pay a subscription fee to use my natural armYet!
>>728451894When I was a kid in the 80's it was pretty much my dream scenario. Too much Bionic Man and Live and Let Die.
>>728488957Just hoping that the backalley ripperdoc is any good at jailbreaking and not killing me
>>728486098There's also still plenty of overt references to normal people auging themselves just to participate in the rat race better, enslaving themselves to the ecosystem and trampling over the non-augmented to survive
>>728488774Ok I forgot about that NPC. Doesn't change anything I've wrote. Comparing original and prequel on mechanical augs stance isn't there. You could say that Deus Ex's offhand comment says more than the prequel but that's dishonest when the latter isn't so keen on it.
>>728473315People can generally find things to eat on most places, and nobody said that you are stranded in a place where no life could exist, you could be stranded in a backwater village with no technology.
>>728489457I really don't remember that. Most people talk about either dying of the disease or how the government has too much control. I just don't really like this vs thing the >>728485374 painted. They have different themes and that's ok, but his description of prequel is just wrong as well.
>>728452485>I still wouldn't want them to know how many strokes of my dick it takes for me to get off).Fitbit/movement sensors on your phone already give them that info.
>>728451894Is it>better than my current limbs>reliant on meds to remain functional>does it have a wifi connection for some stupid reason
>>728451894Not unless that arm was completely useless or otherwise going to harm my health due to its continued presence.
Yes, of course.I'm literally an Accelerationist; I would even happily replace my whole body; as a matter of fact I probably will be doing that within the next few years once we get the technology.Honestly a little surprised with all the decels on here. Young men with an interest in tech are usually a bit more optimistic about the future. Weird.
>>728490572>I probably will be doing that within the next few years once we get the technology.lol
>>728490780Yep. Ever heard of the Singularity?
>>728491059That scifi thing? I believe in it, just like I believe Jesus will save my soul.
>>728479337Record a screen typing with 1 hand and doing some precise mouse movement with the other at the same time. Surely you can do that, you're not brown, right?
You need to read this book called Perfekcyjna Niedoskonałość where humans live their lives but nobles have ascended beyond AI, make up their own miniworlds and wage wars over scraps of the galaxy where they can install more of nanomachines that extend their cognition and influence>still not translated to english weird your loss
>>728491219What the fuck kind of comparison is that?One of those is based on faith, the other in science.
>>728491838>still not translated to english >weird your lossOk?? Ever heard of DeepL?
>>728491059Yeah, shit game, as expected of nuraven.
>>728491968Well then I really recommend it!
>>728491852How is your anticipation of being borged out not based on belief? >once we get the technology might as well say once god wills it
>>728451894I would like a bigger dick, i'm like an inch from a micropenis
>>728492206There is no proof that god exists, but we KNOW tech will continue to advance.
>>728492970but will it advance the way you think? that's a belief.
>>728454876Sacrificing limbs and extremities in the pursuit of self perfection doesn’t sound like something the gods would be against.
>>728492970Can't science advance to prove that god exists?
>>728493308Well, in a sense. ASI will by all means essentially BE a god.>>728493086Companies like OpenAI already know how to build AGI. We can't tell exactly how things will play out, but the timeline is pretty fucking clear.
>>728493510>ASI will says who? your belief? you probably watched terminator, maybe read a book and now you believe that's possible. why? what's your scientific explanation for why would that happen?
>>728493510I didn't mean a manmade god, but The God. Can't science prove he exists?
>>728492970The Singularity is based on the belief technology will continue to advance exponentially forever. It's fundamentally the same exact thing as corporate executives believing profits can increase forever at ever-increasing rates.
>>728493510How do you know any of this is true? OpenAI has already by their own admission reached diminishing returns and their models consume enormous amounts of resources to run. What guarantees we'll reach this AI god and not simply run into a wall? We have yet to make anything truly smarter then ourselves.
>>728493657Pretty much every single expert in the AI field is telling you it's possible.>>728493809ASI might actually very well BE the god spoken of in the Bible.>>728493852Oh it will almost certainly have to slow down at some point, but that's FAR into the Singularity.
>>728494298Pretty much every priest says that God exists. So you take the tech spokesmen as evangelicals?
>>728494298>Pretty much every single expert in the AI field is telling you it's possible.Do you not think that the people working at AI companies in constant need of new investors (OpenAI has yet to make a profit and it's burning 5 billion a year) would hype up their new tech a bit?>Oh it will almost certainly have to slow down at some point, but that's FAR into the Singularity.How do you know this?
>>728494135>OpenAI has already by their own admission reached diminishing returnsSo now we're just straight up lying? Cool.>their models consume enormous amounts of resources to runThey are CONSTANTLY getting more and more efficient, actually. Modern models use up 1/390th of the resources that GPT3 did for the same task.>What guarantees we'll reach this AI god and not simply run into a wall?There are no guarantees; just like when you're going 100 on an empty freeway you COULD technically hit an invisible wall out of nowhere, but chances of that happening are not exactly high.>We have yet to make anything truly smarter then ourselves.AI is already smarter than >99.9% of the population.
>>728494662>AI is already smarter than >99.9% of the population.lol
>>728451894You just know these come with planned obsolescence built in.
>>728493510>ASI will by all means essentially BE a god.not really, it will simply be an intelligence far more capable than a human. it will certainly be capable, but not omniscient or something. we better hope it doesn't have any desires or drives of it's own, because we only get one shot to fuck it up (and fuck it up is what humans do).
>>728494662AI is outright causing distortions in our power grid with just how much fucking power it takes to run
>>728494662Let me ask you a question: what's more likely?That OpenAI, a company that has only ever burned money, that appears completely incapable of making a truly usable, meaningful product, somehow creates a truly autonomous artificial intelligence?Or that OpenAI, a company that has consistently burned billions of dollars, that has never shown any sign of making a profit, that has in two years released a selection of increasingly-questionable and obtuse products, simply runs out of money and dies?
>Hundreds of posts of guys who fantasize about lopping off perfectly functional parts of their bodies to "improve" themselves with sketchy "science" based technologylol
>>728451894Yes, an arm or leg easily.
>>728451894Fuck no. I barely remember regular things as it is, you think I'll be able to remember to have my robo wanker regularly maintained?
>>728451894I would but only when i'm 65+
>>728494731it is though
>>728451894Imagine you're fapping and the hydraulics break
>>728487523such a shame how good this anime was conceptionally, but so shit in execution.
>>728496196lmao I can't even imagine how fucked up you are to believe this
>>728451894noi dick about with too much technology thats already obsolete for work to irreversibly link one to me.until i can make and support one myself, a flesh limb is still more reliable, hell, if i get stuck somewhere a flesh limb has a higher chance of being fixable with the materials around, splint the arm and hope my body heals, as opposed to hope i can salvage electronic componants, and understand the prosthetic enough to keep it working.judging by how many times i've blasted 240v through a 12v circuit at work, i dont rate my chnaced.
>>728451894If it was better, yes of course, duh
>>728451894Would seriously consider cybernetics, but depends on what you can do with it. Has to have some amazing functions.If it's expensive (will be, no way around it) and it breaks you'll be permanently crippled though.
>>728451894Fuck no. They'd put ads and shit in it.
