Games trying to be cinematic are the worst thing anyone has ever made because they're trying to be movies. A worsemedium. Movies are shit They are for brain-dead drooling fucks, Look at me. Listen. Look here. Look. Listen. Gamingand books are a medium of art that you have to engage with. If you do not read, if you do not engage your brain, nothingwill happen. If you play a game, you have to move the controller, move your character, or nothing will happen.Movies, you just hang your mouth a gape, drool on the fucking ground, and stare, and your brain can be off. You can becompletely brain-dead, and the movie will continue playing. It is a lower form of art. Something you don't have toengage in is objectively worse than something that requires your input. It is for stupid people. I don't know whereit came from that movies are supposed to be this high art for the posh when it's actually for dumb fuck people toostupid to read to engage with the medium in some way. So, when you take a higher form of art, something that requiresyour engagement, and then you try and emulate a lower form of art, it is inherently dog shit I don't want tofucking hear it. They're all bad. There's not one good Naughty Dog game after Jack and Daxter. Just because I haven't been schizo enough, going back to the whole high art, low art thing, the original art before even cavepaintings were oral stories, meaning telling stories with your mouth. And although that doesn't sound likesomething you would engage in, the original oral stories you were meant to participate in, meaning the peoplelistening would add to the story themselves. Meaning the only art that has ever mattered since the beginning offucking time is something you can participate in.
that's a shitty wall of test no one including myself will bother readingbut yes vidia can be the ultimate art by combining, writing, visuals, music, and twist it around whole concepts on top of having a form of interaction no other havebut "can" is the keyword and i don't think a game have reached that yet, they're all imperfect a way or another
There are two eras of Naughty Dog.The Fan era and the No Fun, no Gameplay era.
>>728502906literature > film > tv > games
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>>728502906I would argue that books are the highest form because they stand on merit alone, there is nothing but words on a page. Everything else is more complex but easier to digest, while being less deep and losing complexities found in the text. There are many examples of this.
>>728502906>>728503854the correct order is musician > film > tv > book > games or at least when it comes to attracting girls (what really matters)
>>728502906If I hadn't been awake for 30 hours, I surely would have something to say that engages with what you said. But instead I'm just going to post this.
>>728505638drink some nice tea and get some sleep breh i am the sand man and your gettting sleepyyy sleeeepyy
So what developer is the peak of gaming in terms of interaction and showing off what gaming can do?
Games cannot be art because they are, by virtue, interactive. Art is an expression by the creator, but games depends on player input, so by default, it cannot be art. Instead, it is an experience.
>>728507410Me, obviously.
>>728507803but what if it was meant to be interactive by the artist?
>>728507410Unironically, Kojima>reading your memory card>having you call a number on the game manual>changing your console time to kill a boss>player built roads helping each other out>players agreeing to denuclearize their basesHe likes making cutscenes, but he’s also the only person to do things that you can only do with video games as a medium.
People look at 'art' in video games at a very base level. They see pretty graphics or art style, or a story they like and they call it art. Real video game art is gameplay systems, the way the player interacts with the world in their own way. That's where the true art of video games is, where no other medium can match it.
>>728507913Then it’s not art. Riding a roller coaster makes you feel things that the creator intended, but it’s not art. There’s no sense of expression there. It’s just number and engineering.
Didnt read.The main issue with movies occurs when they try to emulate literature. Kubrick is good example of a director that understood that movies are not books nor should they try to be. Adapting literature should be attempted through tv series but this will still also fail.I read the first line of your OP. Here's a fun question. Is The Outer Wilds cinematic or is it literature?
>>728502906Blame kojima and cuckman
>>728508979For beginning the downfall Kojima and Square deserve the blame, Cuckmann deserves blame for making it worse.
>>728507410Valve, Blizzard, Activision, Coffee Stain Studios, Squaresoft.
>>728507803Playing the game is an expression of the player, therefore games are art; it's just that the artist is the player rather than the developer.
>>728502906some games are good but the gaming medium as a whole is shit and gamers know it. you don't see people talking about how film or music is the best medium because nobody fucking cares.
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>>728502906You will never be Quentin.
>>728513474Who is that?
>>728513615Leader of The Diamond Dogs. True Patrician. An enjoyer of the most refined, respectable adult fiction. (Like The Great Gatsby! Bet you've never even heard of that!)The truth is that he was a ragebait character someone made up to get (you)s from insecure NEETS who insisted video games were artistic and respectful. He would photoshop David Bowie's face into shitty doodle strawman comics about how much better he was than fat neckbeard gamers by namedropping pedestrian, high school level novels.
The only thing film has over gaming is Birth of a Nation.
