>"just buy a CRT for old vidya"Fuck you
>>728593724Color me ignorant, but can manufacturers really believe there's no market worth revisiting CRT?Or has everyone fallen for the moar specs meme?
>>728593724Fuck PVM troons, just get a regular CRT TV
>>728594029They aren't able to make them any more for health and safety reasons.
>>728593724Buying CRT tvs online is so stupid, just search locally, I got myself a giant widescreen one for 15 45 dollars
>PVMemeyou know they were used in hospitals and newsrooms, right?
>>728594207Bummer, but it can't be helped I guess. Thanks, well informed-kun
>>728594029The only reason electronics are able to be mass produced is because it gets cheaper and cheaper to make them when you produce millions of them a year. When there isn't a market for millions of CRTs a year, the costs of running a production line make no sense. You could make literally any other kind of electronic and it would be more cost effective, or even more cost effective to tear it down for scrap.
>check local marketplace>tons of CRTs that are either free or 20-30 buxsounds like a (you) problem
>>728594516Because they're looking at a PVM not a CRT
>>728593724What you want is to just look up old TVs since there's still a fuckload that people are trying to get rid of. I am only posting in this thread because the OP image contains Twinkle Star Sprites.
I'm playing Dark Cloud right now, is there ever a reason not to use Xiao always
>>728594472That makes sense, as frustrating as it is
>>728593724>not using a CRT Shaders on RetroArch for $0?
>>728593724Get a decentish CRT TV and a raspi to drive it at 240p.Modern composite looks good enough.
>>728594732Ruby.
>>728594813You don't get the same motion clarity unless you get an expensive OLED 240hz screen and use the blur busters thing.
>>728593724No one is telling you to buy a fucking PVM, those were never cheap, just get a trinitron or something you mong.
>>728594832>raspicomposite only, better off just playing on an OLED
>>728595168If you're getting a television with scart and all the shit, it will get expensive.
>>728594313So?
>>728595257Most later CRTs had svideo and component The cheapest and easiest way to play old games on a CRT is with a hacked Wii.But that only works if you play games older than PS1. Even N64 emulation is kinda shit on it.
>>728595343Looking a bit, you can put hats on the PI to output to component and all that, but i don't know if it can do 240p out of that.In terms of power level, it can do more than the Wii, and you don't need to use these terrible controls.
>>728594903>4:3 content on OLEDthat's one way to make it useless for EVERYTHING ELSE
>>728593724just drive down the street retard I'm sure someone put one out on the curb
>>728594207No they aren't able to make them because them because making the tubes is just really hard. It involved expensive, intricate production lines manned by dozens of trained people inspecting each and every part of the process because any flaw resulted in heavily degraded or unusable product. How the TVs are made and how they function isn't esoteric forgotten knowledge like some people like to tell you online, and you can even find modern electronics that is still being made to fit to new old stock tubes to be sold in the third world, or retrofitted to old tubes that are still in service, but no one is making new tubes. The other thing is that unlike modern electronics, these things were made in the first world. Making them and transporting them from the third world would add such a cost that it would negate the savings, and no company is going to spin up manufacture for these things in the first world again.I personally would pay $3000+ for a brand new CRT made in 2025, but I would also expect perfection out of it, and perfection was already a crapshoot back in the 1990s they were making and selling hundreds of thousands of units a year.
>>728595630Hollywood decided that screens need to be 16:9, so you get 16:9, it is how it is.They do pedo/podo shit, you get to live with the screen they chosen for you.
>>728595626These devices use the CPU to render videoThat means limited RGB range, video stuttering due to the CPU slowing down, and worse performance for N64 and PS1.Maybe a Pi 5 is fast enough for this to not be an issue, but it sure was an issue on my Pi 4B+
>>728595717They can make them, but what is the point of rebuilding all the manufacturing just to sell probably a few hundred CRTs.
>>728594472>there isn't a market, the costs of running a production line make no senseI know a TV's a bit more complex but I just learned recently that Sony opened a new vinyl record factory in 2017, having previously shut down their manufacturing plant in 1989It impressed me because I had never heard of such a thing happening, an entire extinct medium going back into mass production
>>728593724I can get a 16'' crt for 20 burgerbucks. What are you talking about?
>>728595097yea they were actually. before retards started buying them all you could find them for like $30. I got my 20L5, purchased and shipped to my house for $150.
>>728596104These people want top-of-the-line shit that nobody actually used for vidya back when these old games were made. If you want an authentic '80s/'90s experience, just get whatever cheap TV you can find and an RF switch, or maybe composite cables if you're going more for late '90s.
>>728593724no one owned a fucking pvm back thenif you want the authentic experience, just get some random crt
>>728596559Why would I want the "authentic" experience when I could have the objectively best possible experience? >he thinks OLED is better than CRT lol
>>728594207wrong. it takes substantial industrial equipment to make gigantic vacuum tubes.all the equipment that was used to manufacture these things was taken apart and scraped decades ago, and the expertise to rebuild such machines hasn't been needed for as long.it's like how NASA can't build Saturn Vs anymore
>>728596646i lived through the 90syou kiddos behave like a cargo cult
>>728595097>those were never cheapzoom zoom. you could walk into any thrift store and buy them for like $50
>>728596729No one uses CRTs because they're "authentic", zoomer. They use them because they are the only display tech with absolutely no motion blur.
>>728596903PVMs are broadcast equipment, not consumer hardware
>>728596646Bigger = betterThis is an absolute fact
>>728596943the ONLY reason to NEED a CRT is for certain lightgun-based technologiesLCDs are PERFECTLY adequate for EVERYTHING else
>>728597015Quiet zoomer, the only display tech that even comes close to CRTs at 60hz is Plasma. You can get clear motion on OLED, but you need to throw away 75% of the brightness to get to CRT levels. >>728597013Tranny
>>728594029Nobody is going to invest in making new production lines for shitty outdated tech just because some autists on vidya forums can't let go of it. They wouldn't make any profit, especially because you know for a fact that the same autists would decry new CRTs as soulless slop because they're not from the 90s, and it'd harm their whole "woah it's like I'm living in the past bro" schtick they've got going.
>>728594029There is no market. However, fake ""retro"" 4k 4:3 monitor with optional CRT filter with CRT shape would sell like hot cake. Just like how some companies sell Win98 mini PCs, and another sells Aero mouses.
>>728595991>They can make them>but what is the point of rebuilding all the manufacturing just to sell probably a few hundred CRTsPretty much what I was getting at. I think the market would be bigger than that. The sweet spot would be making 21" widescreen. Aim it at enthusiast gamers. It's not hard to market that. I pray I live to see it.>>728597015They look like shit tho>>728596495What this anon says. The best CRT is the one you have. Get whatever you can get it, enjoy it, love it, get whatever you can get. Composite is a must though I'd never recommend going for an RF only set what's the point live a little - there's over 30 years of them out there go get one it's not that hard.For the love of God don't ship them. Drive 4 hours if you have to. Make a day of it.
>>728597148i'm not the faggot trying to use photographs to argue about display technologies designed for human eyes, zoomatroon
>>728597243You wouldn't need photographs if you were over the age of 27. You'd know how motion blur simply didn't exist until LCDs happened.
>>728597218>They look like shit thoto zoomers. the people that lived through that time don't give a shit about crts vs lcds vs whatever else
>>728596005There's a mass collectors market for vinyl records like now. Boomers are chasing their childhoods and zoomies think they are soulful. CRTs don't have as much nostalgia because boomers remember they took 3 people to move and zoomers just emulate old games with crt filters (if they even want to play them at all).>>728597015You emulate light gun games on modern displays now. You just need IR sensors.
>>728597332>the people that lived through that time don't give a shit about crts vs lcds vs whatever elseSpeak for yourself, zoomer
>>728597314interlaced technology relies on blurring between frames, the response of phosphors, and human perception to make it look like it isn't combed and flickeringyou were clearly born after 2000
>>728594029The manufacturers that believe in CRTs' worth were assassinated for not getting the kyke's memo
>>728597462>interlacedlol zoomer interlacing only existed on 5th gen. Everything before that was 240p. It was 60 distinct frames with no blurring.
>>728597362>You emulate light gun games on modern displays now. You just need IR sensors.can't be done with certain lightguns, like the snes superscope. the gun has optics that detects when the electron beam of a crt scans across where the gun is aimed. the gun relays the signal via an IR sensor which then latches the HV counters so the software can figure out where it was aiming. this fundamentally doesn't work on non-crt displays.constrast that to something like the nes zapper that just determined if it was pointed at something bright or not.
>>728594628>I am only posting in this thread because the OP image contains Twinkle Star Sprites.Good game. I liked playing it with my friend in fightcade online.
>>728597582child, NTSC is an interlace standard. each frame consists of 2 fields, the even and odd fields. the fields are displayed at 60Hz, but the full frames only refresh at 30Hz.old systems output their signal at 60Hz, but that necessarily halved their vertical resolution (unless the hardware had special video modes to support it)
>>728594029Cost of manufacturing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profit from supposed market Not worth it
>>728597816240p is not interlacing. 480i showing 240p is not 240p, it is 480i. You're a zoomer, you're too young to know the difference.That's okay, but don't pretend.
>>728594029CRTs are large, heavy and fragile. Shipping them around the World would eat too much of the profit margin, especially when these kind of collectors markets are pretty volatile.
>>728596943Other than hyper autistic nerds, no one wants real CRT. It's literally just about the look, the shape, just like with every retro stuff. You don't want Win98SE with 2+mins boot time, you want something that LOOKS like that (Win7 classic theme).
>>728597816Akshually it's 59.97 Hz
>>728598159Keep coping tranny zoomer. CRTs have no motion blur at 60hz, LCDs and OLEDs do.
>>728598159Yes, like 90% of zoomers wanting a retro CRT can do with a shitty travel model that mostly sits on the self and looks pretty and is used maybe once a year to play 15 minutes of Crash Bandicoot.
They need to make hi-res OLED 4:3 displays. You can market it to normies as "for productivity" and then gamers can use it as a faux-CRT with filters
>>728598204Literally nobody cares.
>>728598062>240p is not interlacinglol. lmao. "p" didn't exist back then.
>>728598204>if I spam enough buzzwords maybe I'll look like I fit in
>>728598339Explain Blur Busters. Keep coping, seething, and dilating troon.
>tfw just sold a crt i got for 10 bucks locally for 200 bucks >kept the 4 other better ones I got for the same price
>>728598436You can't change reality, tranny.CRTs are objectively superior for old vidya because they have no motion blur, and you will always be a man.
>>728593724You don't order a crt you clusterfuck of retardationPerson from crt era here. Crts fucking sucked dick and we couldn't wait to be past them. The whole crt fetishization of the past 10ish years comes from secondaries, social performantives and poseurs
>>728598552dude is playing bleep blorp retirement home games
>>728598634That's wrong though. CS players used them even into the 2010s because they were simply better. You'd know this if you were old enough to be gaming in the 2000s, but you weren't. Why even pretend you were?
>>728598552no person over 30 speaks in such infantile languageyou will never get to experience the golden age of video games, nor the amazing transformation the preceding generation took in stride
>>728598449Grifters selling snake oil.
>>728598737TV CRTs were designed to display NTSC, which is an interleaved standard.and computer monitor CRTs were progressive scan.but TVs and monitors weren't interchangeable. people weren't playing CS on TVs.
>>728598772>zoomer who can't even use punctuation or capitalization>telling others they have an "infantile language"Zoomzoom what do you get from pretending to be older than you really are?
>>728598772I'm >>728598634*Handshakes you and we are both super extremely buff and we have tattoos of lolo and lala on our huge steroid biceps*
>>728598772>you will never get to experience the golden age of video gamesI was born well after the golden age but I still experience it. There where so many good games made before I was born, I find a new one almost every day!
>>728598737So why aren't they using them now? Answer that, clueless lil' zoomie.
>>728593724man I got this same CRT rotting on my backyardits been years outside, and just out of curiosity I went and plugged it in, and still works.I remember playing a bit of NES using an RCA cable, I don't know if it would be worth the hassle to do something with itI also got a raspberry 4b, maybe make an arcade?I'd give it away at this point desu
>>728598941>he posted the advertisement again
>>728598935Your bait didn't work last time, you need to be more subtle like >>728598906>>728598989I have one at my desk right now, next to my 32" 4k 240hz OLED.
>>728598935Lmao expertly played chap that's the best one I've seen in a while and I'm going to study your technique
>>728598976>lil zoomie trying to fit in
>>728598772>you will never get to experience the golden age of video gamesTechnically he could ""go back"" whenever he feels like since it's all about games and looks.>>728598941No one cares about the UFO faggotry
>>728599073>no one cares about objective measurementsShut the fuck up troon. Kill yourself.
>>728599024And you're a pro CS player who uses it daily on competitions?
>>728599072I dont care about fitting in, I care about good vidya. The notion that its impossible to "experience the golden age of video games" when you can download damn near every game ever made for free nowadays is just retarded
>>728599073>Technically he could ""go back"" whenever he feels like since it's all about games and looks.Playing a game outside its era does not in any way compare to playing that game and experiencing it and life when it was newIve noticed that young people notice something is lacking. Let me tell you this with zero nostalgiaThe 80s and 90s if you lived in a civilized country were simply better than today. By a huge amount.
>>728599000Just hook a hacked Wii up to it. Then you can emulate every 2D console at 240p
>>728599138Can you go to the arcade and play mortal kombat ii the day it comes out?
>>728594194Just use an LCD and stop being a sperg its better in every way that matters anyway
>>728593724>buy a VR headset>download EmuVR>simulate playing on a CRT while emulating gamesThere, more bang for your buck without breaking the bank
>>728599128No, pro gaming is faggotry. I'm just a man with taste and attention to detail.
>>728593724The whole "CRTs are better" meme was created by millennials as a psyop to offload their junk onto zoomers at insanely marked up prices. Same goes for retro consoles which are surging in price.Buy my junk you little broccoli-haired faggot.
>>728599235That would work if VR headsets were high enough resolution, but they're not. >>728599249Imagine creating a fantasy world to live in as a form of cope. You mentally ill freaks are something else.
>>728597648>can't be done with certain lightguns, like the snes superscope?https://youtu.be/XdeAIn-BPGU?feature=shared
>>728599402He explained to you why. Don't ? You look retarded.That's either a crt or complex workaround
>>728598159Older consoles and games genuinely look nicer and sharper on a crt display though, 480p feels hd.
>>728598941Screens don't blur like that.Blur is either from 1. your eyes, when you see a fast moving object, which is solely your perception and not actually the object blurring2. camera exposure times (or post processing)so none of them should have a blur at all or have the same blur, unless differently calibrated cameras were used. you can easily test this on your phone and using a few different displays.and lets not mention the crts phosphor array from the picture and its issues and what it means for the legitimacy.
>>728599402>works on my machine based
>>728599505>You can't emulate the super scope>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!Raped
>>728599539People who don't use CRTs for old games are impotent and don't lift. This is why they hate CRTs, they can't lift them and are so impressionable they try to do what everyone else does.
>>728599402https://archive.org/details/SNESDevManual/book2/page/n331/mode/2upsnes dev manual, book 2, pg 332i actually developed snes software and built a cart to run things i programmed upi like the tech and enjoy understanding how it works
>>728599213>Can you go to the arcade and play mortal kombat IIyeah> the day it comes out?No, but that implies the golden age of gaming was only a single day
is a crt worth it to emulate old games on? ive seen a few for under $80 near me and ive been considering getting one to play a few ps2 and older games but idk if its worth the hassle
Every single crt thread just boils down to the one crt guy dunking on the weird anti-crt shill, and then they just do it again tomorrow like nothing happened.
I got a 21" Trinitron for 50€ last summer.>ebayGo away.
>>728594029CRTs are a pain in the ass to produce and ship. While they’re still the best display technology for all resolutions they can reproduce, eventually dual layer OLEDs with proper "CRT-like" BFI will get close enough to not warrant a CRT anymore. Though in these cases you will still need a $750 upscaler like a Retrotink 4K. Of course you can always just emulate and save money.
>>728600018Peak entertaining. Better than playing videogames.
>>728600018It’s just a 40 year old man beating a 15 year old. It’s why I’m here because fuck them kids.
>>728600179the legit problem with upscalars is the delay and/or artifacts they necessarily producei say this as i shit on images like >>728598941
>>728600290Only shit upscalers do that, even a $50 OSSC will have less than 1 frame of lag and have no artifacts on 240p games
>>728599249The CRTs are better meme is created by retards who were never forced to deal with CRTs.Nobody in their right mind will ever go back.
>>728600290OSSC (Pro) and Retrotink 4K produce nearly nothing. You won’t be playing lightgun games but that’s the nature of the beast.
>>728600584Why do you lie about everything? You know you'll never be a woman, yet you want us to believe you're a woman.
>>728599850You can emulate super scope games using a light gun for years now. You are not nearly as well informed as you think you are.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esYGrXxWpF8
I saw a 100+ reply count with an image of Twinkle Star Sprites and got really excited. Then I read the text and remembered what year it is.
>>728600701>got ripped off buying a CRT and has to lash out on a Taiwanese silk-spinning forum
>>728600814You will NEVER be a woman. Get this through your head before you put a bullet through it instead.
>>728593724HRT is not cheap either
>>728600869Trannies live rent free in your head, absolutely mindbroken
I prefer anode ray tube displays.
>>728593724That's a PVM you retard. Go to facebook markeplace and search for tv or old tv. You can get a consumer CRT for a few bucks and sometimes for free. I own two PVMs, and they they look too sharp and inauthentic, consumer CRTs do a far better job at smoothing and blending the graphics of old games.
>>728593724>I'm going to buy a pvm and use rgb cables to get crispy pixels so it looks like how it does on an emulator fuck yea retro gaming!!!
>>728594813Sorry, but im not trans.
r8 my CRTPaid $700 for it
>>728601001So have you just never played on an arcade cabinet, or?
>>728601096Can’t tell the difference between that and my european consumer trinitron I got for a fraction of the price award.
>>728599931>> the day it comes out?>No, but that implies the golden age of gaming was only a single dayHow would you feel if you had not eaten breakfast this morning?Every day of that era was that day, you actual ducking degraded genetics, brown, huehue fucking dunce.
>>728601001CRT have perfect motion quality
>>728601291I ate breakfast so I don't know
>>728598435It literally did.Not going for the same "you're a zoomie" shit as the other poster because even we didn't knew that shit back then, but old consoles did used a progressive resolution.Basically it is the duty of the picture generator itself to determine the field, if it's odd or even.I think it's delaying the signal in half scanline that does the trick of choosing, it can't be done on the TV side.So what consoles did, mostly because it's cheaper is just to send the same field over and over and over and over.Which means half of the lines are never drawn, while the other lines get twice as bright because they're being scanned twice.So as it's the same lines being scanned over and over, it is a progressive low resolution.If you see on my picture, you will see that it actually does have the "scanlines" filter shit, but it's not like on old emulators because the double scanned lines are thicker and look like retangles with rounded edges.
>>728601550They're not going to understand or take in what you say. They're not like us. They lack any curiosity
>>728601001I got a 80 BRL pal-m TV and i'm satisfied with it, even using regular ass composite.
>>728593724As a guy who got a nice, high res, mostly unused crt, just get a 144hz ips and learn how to work with g sync. The motion is slightly worse on all modern displays than crts, buts its good enough that you wont really notice and variable refresh is nice.
I have recycling centers and thrift stores filled with CRTs. Moving mine out was a pain. Why would anyone pay 3 grand?
>>728601650For running old games, you're better off just setting your display at 120hzgsync is too much of a hassle.
>>728601650Only true for modern vidya.For old vidya you at least need 240hz OLED with the CRT scan shader
>>728601291>How would you feel if you had not eaten breakfast this morning?Hungry i guess>Every day of that era was that dayMortal Kombat 2 wasn't launched every day though. Once it existed it existed
CRTs have soul. Simple as.
>>728597163only one company makes that and its like 600 dollars no crt shape though
>>728601946>>728597163You mean like this?
>>728601941Still can't lunar crystallize Show amber or kuki fully
>>728594029There is nowhere near enough actual demand for them, don't let your impression get misled by how many people on here you see gushing about them
>>728602108no this one the one you posted is 1280x1024
>>728602310>5:4SOVL
>>728602375yeaa i use A 5:4 monitor as a secondary for my mac
>>728602310What resolution is the one you posted
>>728602467use your eyes
>>728593724damn those pixel are cool
>>728602310The other one is better as it has inputs. You don't need 4k
>>728602612true but the dude i replied to specifically asked for 4k so
>>728602716I think that one is 1280 on purpose so they can 2:1 640x480 with black bars and etc. Pretty perfect for pre 720 content
>>728602612>You don't need 4kDilate
>>728602797>4k 26 inch screenDUHHHHH DIWATEBuy a house brocolli. Have sex LMAO that's the real challenge for brocbros
>>728602792or maybe it's the cheapest option since that resolution was commonstill they're made by the same company so you could probably just ask to upgrade
>Buy a house brocolli. Have sex LMAO that's the real challenge for brocbros
>>728599532Ive been watching blu rays off my PS3 thru component to my PVM. Older anime really shines on it. Fullmetal Alchemist for example, looks better than any OLED i own.
>>728601264Bullshit. You aint getting those scanlines or sharpness out of composite video on a consumer model.
I really like CRTs but I would never pay what they used to cost new for one today let alone what they would have to cost new now over just using BFI and filters. Realistically it's better to hold out for flat screens to stop sucking cock than new CRTs where no one will agree which features it should have.
>>728602990you can do that on ps3? no hdcp bullshit? i have a few sd blu rays and that would be nice to watch on the tube
>>728603083Not that anon but SCART RGB was common on consumer sets
>>728602895Uhh why would they pick the cheapest option for an enthusiast product? I explained why it was picked it cleanly integer scales Word of advice young man: stop always having something to say, because you obviously don't. Just learn instead of always having something to say
>>728593724>PVM BVMHow can it be both?
>>728594029You need factories and a whole supply chain of specialized sub assemblies that go into a unit. Neither of those exist
>>728603116All 7th gen consoles have analog out and were heavily used that way it's just useless for most old games because it won't do 240p.
>used to have a massive sony trinitron>ditched as soon as I finally had my own hdtvHindsight is 20/20 I guess.
>>728602612If you're faking a CRT effect with filters on a modern screen, higher display resolution actually does help to mimic the effect.
>>728594029for what possible reason would you ever think that there is a market for this shit? its objectively shittier technology that a handful of internet autists care about.
>>728603235Did you ever move it>>728603240You're not faking crt filters if you're CLEAN INTEGER SCALING, RETARD
>>728603317Only if I absolutely had to, motherfucker weighed five million tons.
>>728603359That's why you didn't take it. "Hindsight"...dude people who own crts today are largely the same people who are on disability, house full of trash, animal shit on floor etc.
>>728601550why would you make such a long post about something you clearly know nothing of?dunning-kruger on full display here
>>728603317>You're not faking crt filters if you're CLEAN INTEGER SCALING, RETARDRetard. You need at least 4k to get accurate scanlines and phosphors
>>728600728>he thinks emulating a lightgun using a mouse is the same as using a lightgun
>>728593724PVM's were never common to begin with. They were made for Hospitals and other such industrial use.
>>728603443Yeah but I miss playing stuff on it. Definitrly lost something in older games moving over to newer displays. Even some PS3 games were awesome on it since the low res covered up the lack of details. I will sincerely argue GTAV damn near looks it's best on a CRT. I mean I was a retarded 20 year old at the time but I swear that shit looked real.
>>728596943this seems strange, my oleds is just as good as my crt for motionthis must be a fake oled or something>You can get clear motion on OLED, but you need to throw away 75% of the brightness to get to CRT levels. Ah that's the reason. Yeah, HDR is for literal cattle.
>>728601550>>728601639RTFM
there is nothing special about old console output
>>728603471Because you're just doing adhominem instead of actually explaining where i'm wrong (and i'm not).
>>728594029Palmer Luckey (Anduril / Oculus founder) claims he has a new way to create CRT-esque displays using a scanning laser instead of electron beamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgY5fM2cINc&t=1289s
>>728603657>this seems strange, my oleds is just as good as my crt for motionOnly at high framerates. If you try playing 60fps games on it they will blur.
>PVM
>>728603718The snes do have a interlaced mode, used by 3 games or so, so it is technically correct that it has this.But the brutal majority of the games use 240p
>>728603798The problem is using lasers means you need to have mirrors, which means moving parts, which means it will be slower, less efficient, and prone to breaking.
>>728603798>buy laser projector>flip the screen output in the GPU drivers>put it behind a translucent screen in a box
>>728603317Having the correct scaling doesn't magically introduce scanlines onto an IPS or OLED display. And fake scanlines don't look like they're supposed to on lower resolution displays.
>>728603814i play at 60fps exclusively with gsync on and vsync off. I literally never saw OLED blur. Have LG C3, disabled all ai and post processing crap, SDR only, 120 nits, 10bit, 6500k.I had other LG oleds in the past, same story. I think that zoomies, even youtube reviewer zoomies don't know how to go into settings and tweak basic shit.
>>728593724would happily pay $10k+ for some of the high end desktop crts if they were re-manufactured
>>728603996480i (a hdmi to composite adapter)
>>728604115240p (real snes)The 480i picture is blurry because it is very flickery otherwise, because 480i is flickery.
>>728604083Just go here and follow the UFO at lower frame rates https://testufo.com/
>>728594249>I got one for $1,545 dollars!!!!Dawg that’s half the price in op’s pic
You can literally get PVMs for free from hospitalsYou just have to be willing to look through ewaste
>>728604070Who the fuck said anything about scan lines?You kids don't seem to realize that scan lines were not particularly appreciable on home sets. Thus people seeking to emulate them are genuinely poseurs1280 integer scales a huge range of content like dos and amiga games and shit. You know, enthusiast gamer shit rather than social performance shit?
>>728594194This.Don't fall for the PVMeme.Games look better on consumer TV's.Broadcast monitors were designed to bring out all the flaws in the image so you can fix things in post. They're not meant to be used for gaming.Low res games look awful on broadcast monitors.
>>728593724I just bought a 19 inch DVD + VCR combo for 50 bucks like 2 weeks ago. Don't look on Ebay like a retard, look on Facebook from your local area.
>>728604504>Games look better on consumer TV's.lol
>>728604624He's right tho
>>728604664Sure and you're a real woman right?
>>728603583Like I said, you don't know nearly as much as you think you do. Gapped and raped.https://youtube.com/shorts/wliQc98u-Zs?si=VSDc7sNPH2q8isSy
Why is there always so much hate in these threads?CRTs are nice Technology >>728599235VR displays are the only ones with decent motion quality around nowadays true
>>728604695No
>>728604205yeah 30fps and below looks like crap, but that's expected because of OLED judder60fps looks pretty good desuI don't have a setup to compare them side by side, but I honestly don't see any motion blur, certainly nothing that would justify the price difference.Again, disable all post processing and smart TV crap like "true motion pro", "color collection" etc etc. use 4k 4:4:4 HDMI cable.
>>728604746Zoomers are just little balls of spite who have to shit up any discussion they see
>>728604758The motion blur on an OLED will look like a double image rather than a smear.
>>728604695PVM tranny trying to "crack eggs".
>>728593724I need to sell my old CRTs, get fucked.
As someone who owns multiple PVMs including high end 20 inch onesI think a big Consumer TV with RGB cables looks the best.but RGB/YUV is really important and composite looks like shitit just makes the image worse in 99% of cases and fuck the 1%
>>728603783>I think it's delaying the signal in half scanline that does the trick of choosingpray tell, which elementary school playground did you hear this rumor? was the kid's unc a big n employee?
>>728593724>>728593724>>"just buy a CRT for old vidya">Fuck youNo, fuck YOU.CRT filter niggers get the rope. Real CRT TV or NOTHING.
>>728604717wow, that's a fancy superscope. must be a japanese model.
>>728605227No. We moved to LCD the moment it was possible. We hated crt and wanted a true image Poseur
>>728593724Just keep an eye on the side of the road and snag one. The people selling these things online are basically trying to scam retrotards with more money then sense. Would like to get a crt monitor though, I've only found heavy as fuck tvs, a little monitor for my desk would be pretty neat.
I have a house in Toyko. I can go find one whenever I want for dirt cheap. Hahahha eat shit gen alpha Zoomers grew up with N64 and PS1. We had CRT dumbass elder millennials
>>728605029I own 13 professional monitors, multiformat and otherwise. I play my 240p games on a 27" JVC D-Series over component and use a PC CRT monitor with a scaler and adapter to pass thru 480p to it.
>>728605180I said "i think" because i didn't quite remember what was the exact methodAccording to this:https://people.ece.cornell.edu/land/courses/ece5760/video/gvworks/GV's%20works%20%20NTSC%20demystified%20-%20B&W%20Video%20and%20Sync%20-%20Part%201.htmIt's actually sending an extra scanline, which is pretty neat and simpler than the mess i had in mind.
>>728605232>Mindbroken with his axe woundlol have a goodnight.
>>728605373Congrats. If you didn't have PC during that time you were a secondary. Captcha: DSPSP
>>728605443I knew you were right because I remember reading something about this like 25 years ago in next generation. Not other guy obv
>>728605291>true image>LCDShitty blacks, shitty colors, blurry mess.However he's a faggot for being an "all or nothing".CRT filters look much better than raw pixels, specially if you can't integer scale correctly.It's not "the exact experience as defined by some nintendo faggot", but its a lot better and you should use it.
>>728605621Square corners
>>728605480Yeah I had one in the garage with same old shit. Age of empires, sim city, Doom, roller coaster tycoon, zoo tycoon, populous. I was 4 and listen to Hilltop hoods while playing them.
>>728605551There's several videos on 240p and all that shit. it's more or less common knowledge.The most interesting one i know is this one that shows that the atari is a fucking mess:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRU33ZpY_z
>>728605691They're neat, but LCD specifically it's an awful mess in motion, and the screen basically ask you to pretend that dark grey is black.
>>728605752anon that's a dead link :(
>>728605291Nothing wrong with that as long as you're not using CRT filters.CRT filters are the mark of a larper and a faker, and deserve no respect.>>728605621>CRT filters look much better than raw pixelsWRONG. You get the rope and die.Actual CRT TV or deal with the pixels. No gay compromise.
>>728605820Nobody has ever cared about the blacks shit until they were told to. Doesn't really matter
>>728597015LCD doesn't blend the colors properly which results in images looking wrong. There is also the issue of a lot of old games relying on CRT's lower latency making shit control like ass on modern hardware.
>>728605880I know Z80 assembly, you don't so you get the rope instead.
>>728605902>LCD doesn't blend the colors properly which results in images looking wrongThis is irrelevant to actual video gaming and you can produce a grand total of one game where it matters (sonic). You can post some old static screens from some game nobody played too. Always the same like 6 things. And you can post a quote by some dev saying they planned for that which is basically a lie as pixel art was usually drawn out on graph paper first
>>728605885If you set your brightness high enough you indeed get a decent looking black IF the screen is not fully dark.But it's still a bit bad, but not as bad as the complete mess that is the motion blur.
>>728606054Motion blur was preferable to pincushionI have never missed crt. I want square corners and directly reproduced signal.
>>728606140Well, good for you.Even great if you get an OLED, as it has better motion clarity, but is still the super square format you want without doing shit like borders like the C64 does.
>>728606045You don't know what you're talking about.Just say you don't care about the difference.
>>728606364I hate that this is real
>>728606334I have one and don't use it because I burned in my other one and it gives me anxietyI don't care about displays Wake me up when microled
>>728606406>>728606364Oh look it's one of the six images. Now represent it truthfully at gaming ppi. It's about 2 inches tallI can't believe you posted one of the six images I truly cannot
>>728606407I am personally waiting for these as well, they may turn out to be the perfect screen
>>728594813>trannyarch
>>728594029Making a small number of them that may not even sell is so expensive that you don't even need to bother
>>728606460I have an even more pathetic one."look! this effect only works correctly on a CRT TV so you should get one for the 5 seconds where this happen!"
>>728606460Yeah, it's a strong example.>gaming ppiwtf did he mean by thisThat entirely depends on your display size and what type of upscaling you're using. Here is a random screenshot blown up at nearest neighbor. Wow, it still looks retarded!
>>728606535That appears to be a true example at least. Never seen that one. The sotn example is not a true example as you know
>>728594207No, there was no government ban on CRTs, they just fell out of fashion to the point where no one was going to buy one anymore, the problem is that their main component, a cathode ray tube, is a highly specialized piece of equipment is heavy and uneconomical to manufacture in large quantities.Even before mass-market CRTs they were slightly modified vacuum tubes (which also don't exist anymore, vacuum tubes were common but hard to make).>>728595717>I personally would pay $3000+ for a brand new CRT made in 2025That's the problem, no retro gamer zoomer is going to pay $3500 for a new CRT, the grift relies on boomers who haven't caught on yet>>728597160See reply to >>728595717>>728596005The problem is pressing vinyls is super-cheap compared to manufacturing televisions.
>>728606656>wtf did he mean by thisHow large it looks to you when you're actually playing the game not looking at 40x enlarged art on a phone or monitor you intellectual waste.Brown, huh? I've noticed you cannot deal with any combination of words you haven't experienced already.
>>728606735"gaming ppi" doesn't inherently mean anything, you dipshit. Your ppi is entirely variable depending on display size and resolution, and the end result will look vastly different depending on the resampling technique you use too. An image upscaled bilinear will look blurrier than an image using nearest neighbor or integer scaling.Pixel art from the era was made using the displays from that era, no fucking shit it looks better on them.
>>728606045It matters in literally every 2d game designed during the CRT era. Most early 3d games too.
>>728607053>InherentlyYes that's why you exercise what is called reading and thinking you fucking Indian retard. Fuck off. I'm tired of wasting taps on intellectual inferiors.You don't even acknowledge to yourself that you make false fucking bullshit arguments like a liar, maybe that's why you couldn't understand it >Dude look at this 2000x2000 image of a 40 pixel sprite
>>728607146>>728607053Pixel art from that era was made on PAPER. You weren't even fucking alive and I was literally there. Have fun circle jerking your fucking crts in your moldy rat apartments
>>728607263>Pixel art from that era was made on PAPER.That's incorrect. The CONCEPT ART was made on paper. The actual in game art was generally digital recreations of the concept art. Technology often was flat out incapable of rendering the actual drawn concept art on a console.
>>728607465Nigger they drew out sprites on graph paper you weren't fucking alive lmao You can literally Google miyamotos own fucking drawings. God I'm so glad you're brown. You can't ever come here. Im going to go eat some ice cream that costs $11 USD for like 355 mL. Tell me how that makes you feel. Have you made $11 USD yet?
>>728607185lmao this babble just outed yourself as the ESL one, you insecure fuckwad.Provide an argument instead of just raging that you are proven wrong. When you take the raw input of a certain resolution and blow it up to the size of your screen, what do you get? A fullscreen image of those same pixels, but how that resulting image looks depends on the resampling technique you used. Here's the base resolution, show me the magic that transforms his single pixel red eyes when shown on a larger screen.>>728607263Pixel art was drafted on graph paper before being recreated digitally onto... a CRT screen... where they knew and understood it would bleed colors into nearby pixels and used techniques that took advantage of that to create the illusion of greater detail. Wow! It's like they're artists or something! Next you'll argue that 3D models are the concept art they used to draft them.
>>728606660It actually is, but only on composite.The color channel of composite is quite blurry and it gets quite visible when you have the whole scene tinted of one color for example, like the FF5 intro.But i don't think it's worth getting a CRT for 20 seconds of gameplay.
>>728607574You're fucking retarded nigga. Cerberus doesn't look anything like this in game.
>>728607593>they knew and understood it would bleed colors into nearby pixels and used techniques that took advantage of that to create the illusion of greater detailThe idea that this was widely voluntarily done is a lie as every model of crt looked different and every crt within the same model looked different. I am aware you have never used a crt.>>728607673It's not a true example as it wasn't intentional for blur. The eyes are drawn the only way they can be at that res. ..the galuf is a hard-intent example.
The best thing about a CRT is just using it and not having gay discussions about it with retards on /v/ :)
>>728604225I don't know how that happened but I meant 35
>>728607776Yeah, no shit, displays never have been consistent across the board, even today. That doesn't disprove any point about there being intentional use of techniques that blend images way better on the displays of the time.Here's one of the six images I'm sure that pisses you off to see, but they obviously worked with the end result on how it'd look on most displays in mind. The crosshatching pixels on the highlight of her hair is hard evidence of that.All I'm hearing is you have no idea how art works.
>>728601391Phosphor glow is a huge issue in some games tbqh
>>728594732Bestest kitty
>>728608215No they didnt. It's drawn plainly. How else could it be drawn? You will take literally any example of art and say it looks better blurryBut guess what-- I was there and we tried as hard as we possibly could to escape that shit. We had our consoles modified for SCART and bought rare monitors. Almost impossible to find at the time. We went LCD as soon as they were good enough, 2006ish. This is a dishonest exchange I'm not interested in. Again you weren't even there lol ..you're not white also right? Right. You never played in an arcade right? Right.
>>728608224And it's still not motion blur, it's a trail of light on black screens. It is never a problem when the screen is fully lit
>>728594029>all the retards claiming is a lost tech as if it's been centuries and not just barelly 20 years
>>728608402>bot spacingTry again rajeesh.
>>728608454A white person would say Rajesh or rajeet. I can literally tell you're brown from how you stupidly form morphemes.
>>728608584>>728608454Furthermore the "eesh" sound you just went with indicates you're Russian (also brown) tell me I'm wrong I can't imagine having like a 100 iq like you. It probably disturbs you that I figured that out in that way.
>>728608215All these CRT vs. LCD screen comparisons are kind of pointless since you're supposed to be sitting in front of the TV as a whole, not sitting so close you can count every phosphor dot.
>>728593724Holy shit go to a fucking thrift store.
>>728608646>>728608584>seething so hard at being called out that you feel the need to post twiceSAAAR
>>728595257what's the point of RGB if a good chunk of games relied on composite artifacts
>>728608402Your experience as a consumer doesn't reflect the intent of the artists involved in the process of making games that you played. You clearly don't know what you're talking about and constantly fall back to flailing ad hominem attempts. The crosshatching of the pixels in her hair is literally hard proof that they knew it was going to look different in the end result.Gaming was already well into the seventh console generation by the time LCDs were taking off, so there was little to no thought about how old pixel art games would look on the new screens. Everyone wanted a widescreen, which most new games were being made for.
>>728608786Post apartment I'm genuinely interested >>728608785You can't conventionally find them there. I thrift almost daily
>>728608778You can still see Dracula's fuckin red dot eyes even at a comfortable sitting distance.
>>728597015>LCDs are PERFECTLY adequate for EVERYTHING elseshitty bait. if LCDs were actually adequate, they'd work with light gun games, retard
Personally, I prefer a simple consumer TV with slot mask (any non Sony Trinitron Tube) for my retro vidya, PVM are most suited for PS2, Dreamcast, Xbox and NGC.The image attached was obtained by RGB input on both CRTs.
>>7286088940 games "relied on" artifacts. The literal only game where it *really* matters is sonic. >>728608904Your experience as a person who read an article doesn't reflect the reality of the process back then. One guy said they did it intentionally. A nobody if I recall.>Muh cross hatchingMuh 500 relevant games with none. I can't name the game you posted that image from and I can maim you in virtual on. It's hilarious that you have zero understanding that artists back then frequently had 0 chance to see their art represented in game and running on a television. You have absolutely no awareness of this.
>>728609064Also, over that post image: left is from an Aperture grill tube (trinitron), look how detailed the scan-lines are, also colors render a bit different.
>>728609064At least on the screenshot you're very correct.
Got an trinitron... practically new.The image quality is one of the best for a CRT tv and for retro games.
>>728609132>0 games "relied on" artifacts. The literal only game where it *really* matters is sonic.great you just proved that you don't know shit. pic related looks right only if you use composite
>>728608428It really fucks me up in shmups where you have white bullets on a black background. Particularly Star Jacker on the SC-3000 is almost unplayable on my CRT.
>>728603235Same but to be fair, if I recall correctly it was a Sanyo that was already kind of failing and the colors were looking dim.
>>728599235>>728604746I am also doing this, Jurassic Park on Genesis is so fucking cool.The Mega drive collection already does this out of the box.Call me a ludite but why can VR headsets do this mumbo jumbo?
I bought a CRT a couple years back for £100.Mega worth even if the cunt is heavier than dark matter.With Oddworld the tech in the CRT is there with the 480I alongside the PS1 at the same level so you get the time lag AKA slo-mo chug of the PS1 not being able to handle everything as the 480i tries to compensate.On a 1080p monitor it handles and compensates for everything so you get zero lag and no slo-mo nor any delayed screen-wipe inherent with 480i.Without it, you're not reliving childhood. This CRT was one of the best purchases ever.
>>728608919I remember they used to give them away at a dump I frequented. Other than that I'd try to bum one off an older family member who probably have their old CRT collecting dust in the attic. Literally anything else over spending $3k for an old television.
>>728609132Almost as if there was a disparity between the really great artists that knew how to exploit the medium and the bad artists that just shit out whatever art they needed for the game.It wasn't just console gaming that looked like trash on LCDs, pic related.I didn't ditch my CRT until 2012 because I was moving, wish I still had it.
>>728609847>she's alright with her milkers being all over the placewhat a shameless slut
>>728609976Zero-G means on need for bras. Imagine the wobbly space paizuri.
God I wish I never threw away my 12 inch crt I had as a kid. I really miss it now...
Play Twinkle Star Sprites, with or without the CRT.>>728597656>>728594628>>728600804I mean, I could make an actual Twinkle Star Sprites thread later but I doubt it would survive past 10 replies here. You could try on /vr/ instead, maybe we get some fightcade matches going too.
>>728593724My new trinitron is insaneNo pvm needed
>>728593724my old phillips rocksno trinitron needed
>>728593724>emulator downloaded>CRT filter applied>gaming laptop HDMI'd to my 8k smart tvyep, it's retro time
>>728594207What utter fucking bs, CRTs are still made, the tubes for them are still made for industrial purposes, and it ends up costing about as much as the one in OPLiterally just lurk any retro games thread and you'll get people shilling the dumb $3k+ new ones at you eventually
>>728593724Just search for charity shops
>>728613370>, the tubes for them are still made for industrial purposesthere are no new CRT tubes. there are companies which offer old stock of ones made in the early 2000sit would cost astronomical amounts to make one single new CRT tube today
why can't someone just make a crt tv that is as slim as new tvs?
>solder joints on s-video port on my crt have died and I have to resolder them NIGGGAAA FUUUUUCK
