Epic fails to compete with Steam because “EGS is a shop, Steam is a community”, says Witchfire lead, as Epic has “nothing to do but to buy”https://frvr.com/blog/epic-fails-to-compete-with-steam-because-egs-is-a-shop-steam-is-a-community-says-witchfire-lead-as-epic-has-nothing-to-do-but-to-buy/>“I like very much that EGS is there,” the developer said, “because I think competition is always good. I mean it’s as simple as this, and I did get a lot of free games out of that.”>“People are not, basically, using EGS as their home, it’s not home to them,” he explained. “I don’t know if it’s deliberate or not but they [EGS] don’t have written reviews. They don’t have the forums. There’s nothing to do there but to buy. So that will always lose to a shop that is also emotional and you can basically engage with the shop.”>“There’s actually so much happening in that community hub for every single game, much more than I ever imagined,” he said, “and it’s no wonder that people sort of get invested emotionally in Steam. And then they feel like, ‘Okay, my home is here, so my personal library is here’. So when something is released exclusively to Epic, something they want to play, then it’s a problem for them because now I’m gonna [have to] cheat on my home library with some other shop.”What the FUCK /v/. I thought people only used PC stores to buy and play games. You mean they use other features as well?
no, he's still retarded and they both fail to understand that all steam is is a fucking store frontthe difference is, steam actually fucking worksit doesnt have shitty rounded edge mobile phone design spacing, it doesnt have awful dogshit slow shitty menus with tons of drop downs or sub menus, it just has a fucking store i can click on and in under 2 seconds it'll load up 100 games for me to look atin one more click i can see every game on saleif i type in the search bar i can find exactly what i'm looking for and go straight to the game, same with the libraryits not about making video games a "social media"i do not need tiktok shorts for fucking fallout 76i fucking hate game developers, i wish every single one of the fucking fat headed retard big wigs would instantly drop 60 IQ points and leave the industry permanently, it would make video games and gaming better.
>>728722975>You mean they use other features as well?Steam reviews are kind of a crapshoot because sometimes the unwashed masses don't know the first thing about Video Games and say all kinds of retarded shit.Steam forums are pretty great though, good for checking patch notes, bug reports, general user sentiment, etc.
>>728722975Social Networks are doomed to turn into facebook.
>>728723374It is actually useful though. Especially because PC gaming is taken over by small indie games more and more. Steam forums is how those small developers communicate. So you can actually tell them about bugs and stuff and get things fixed.
>Gaben at least pretends to give a shit about the customer experience being decent>EGS has openly expressed disdain for the paypigs, they'll come as long as we get the publishers>what the hell, the customers aren't coming?!
>>728722975>>728723374You are both retarded and wrong.Steam wins because of one reason only, ONE reason: it was the first. That's it. That's literally all it takes. And no one else can ever win because no one else can ever be the first.
>>728723529Now that they’ve solved the Chinese problem, Steam reviews are an excellent barometer for technical quality. Because nearly every game with poor reviews is getting stick for running like shit on a representative sample of computer hardware.
>>728723643I guess MySpace is still the top social media website
>>728722975Steam is a cult
>>728722975>You mean they use other features as well?That's the thing a lot of people overlook.It's not like most people use every feature or even most of them, but with how many there are they will have at least 1 or 2 things that they like that goes beyond selling you games.
>>728723643just say you weren't alive in 2003
>>728722975steam is not a community, it's a cult
>>728722975it's just autists, with collection fetishes.
>>728722975Epic fails because they're a shit service. Now pay me 100k, my consulting services don't come free.
>>728723643Roblox (and to a lesser extent Fortnite) captured a large and young enough audience that they could pivot into becoming a game shop and overtake Steam. Heck, Roblox technically is that since the games are all user-made and have individual transactions. I've also heard that Epic intends on turning Fortnite into a Snow Crash (i.e. Second Life) style virtual world where you buy and play UE6 games within Fortnite itself.>>728723773I don't disagree with you, but they're sort of useless when it comes to something like Terminator 2D that runs on any hardware but is a $30 replayable arcade experience that a bunch of retards play less than 60 minutes of on the easiest difficulty and then refund after leaving a stupid review.
>>728722975Epic does not sell WEGs
>communitySERVICE NIGGERSERVICE
>>728723835>>728723957ok explain why competitor to discord, youtube, or twitter always fail?
Every day EGS ran with "You don't need a cart" rather than just getting an intern to add the feature was another nail in its coffin. People mocking your platform for not having a feature that's standard in every online shop ever, and which isn't complex to implement, while you continue to do nothing about it, makes you look shit. Nobody gives a shit about the cart, but the fact that they refused to take a few minutes to address the most common complaint is enough to make them look like an extremely incompetent two-bit operation.
>>728723374>it doesnt have shitty rounded edge mobile phone design spacing,right, the store failed cause they're using rounded edges... are you retarded?>it doesn't have awful dogshit slow shitty menus with tons of drop downs or sub menusEGS has the Store button and the Library button. I open the store like once every 3 months and I know what to do cause I'm not retarded. If this is too much for you then you're as smooth brained as the way you type would suggest.
>>728722975Steam is FAMILY
i buy maybe 1-2 games every year over at epicmostly AAA games at a lower price than steam
>>728724179
>timmy makes his entire scam platform based on trying to bribe devs to use it>even the game devs are shitting on epic oh nononnonono timdians quick make another 50 anti-steam threads!
>>728723643Wellsort ofIt's the firstand also still the most consumer centricThere have been lots of firsts and 'bests' that have lost miserably. Valve absolutely had an ENORMOUS benefit in getting in on the ground floor VERY VERY earlybut Ubisoft moved relatively quick alsoUbisoft, however, is run by clinical retards and were NOT consumer oriented.I think Timmy technically isn't all that bad, but he definitely is not consumer oriented. He is 'developer' and 'publisher' oriented, which still false miserably. And worse, EGS is VERY late. Almost literally two decades latewith absolutely nothing to leverage for competition.The only way a competitor could gain an advantage in the present environment is Valve going full pants on head retarded and anti-consumer. And that's entertaining anyone else in the market didn't just follow suit because you sure as shit know everyone else would try to get away with whatever they thought they could when valve is doing it.So even then, they odds everyone else blow it big league is high.
>>728724259>scam platformLiterally Steam
>>728722975Cult, religion...
I won't use epic because it doesn't let me have a profile where someone can see my playtime and achievements and even if it did I wouldn't want to split it between two websites.I'm not losing years of gaming progress for your store sorry.
>>728724259How is it a scam?
>>728723643>hes retardedevery other store is objectively worse for the customer than steam is thats why steam keeps winning
>>728724429>playtime and achievements>years of gaming progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5xh2KeP38g
>>728722975steam doesn't shadow install csgo like how epic shadow installs fortnite
>>728724093>Roblox (and to a lesser extent Fortnite) captured a large and young enough audience that they could pivot into becoming a game shop and overtake SteamFortnites problem is retention which for their ambitions really hurts that possibility. They get a huge uptick of users for new chapter and season events but then dips into CS2 levels of players, which is far from terrible but not going to help wiylth a big metaverse goal.Roblox is fucking massive to the point it's frightening, but I don't know what if any big ambitious goals or if they more content focusing inward and just being massive.
>>728722975WE LIVE IN A COMMUNITY
Digital platforms and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>728724259I wouldn't call it a scam but I don't blame devs for not bothering with the store.Putting out a build to deal with the POS that is EOS and the process of releasing on the store just to get fuck all sales.
>>728724524I remember seeing this in Helldiver threads all the time back when that game was popular
>>728722975>Steam is a communityoh, so that's why it's so beloved by young people. I never got the weird obsession over a damn digital store, didn't consider the social media addiction aspect.I think most arguments can be boiled down to this now that I think on it. Most people bewildered at the Steam obsession find it ridiculous to be fans of a Wal-Mart. But younger people see it as their vdieo game MySpace. They're not going to see eye-to-eye.
>>728724271what the fuck is this formatting anon
ah yessteam's quality community of pedophiles and trannies.
>>728723374Steam works because:1. It actually adapted (willingly or not) in order to change for the better.2. Because of that their user service is high quality.3. Because of what user services Steam offers, people see Steam as the go-to platform.4. On top of that, the community and workshop are a big plus.Meanwhile EGS couldn't roll out a shopping cart and had to poach stuff for timed exclusivity which pissed a lot of people because of this.
>>728722975the launcher is shit and the storefront is shit
>>728722975Epic is a half-assed shop
>>728724593I think having a metaverse would help with retention, because now you're not just launching it to play the new events but to hang out with your friends, play other games with them, watch youtube/tiktok/movies with them, etc. etc.Now it's entirely possible that this generation won't bite since they already have alternatives that they're used to, but it's possible that in the future kids will grow up on nothing but Fortnite. Although I'm probably giving Epic too much credit here on making a good and wide enough experience that could replace all other media.
>>728725030>and had to poach stuff for timed exclusivity which pissed a lot of people because of this.This was probably the biggest thing that soured people on Epic. That and "fair pricing" not spilling over to the players as published just pocketed the difference.
>>728725030A lot of Steam's advancement was due to competition. As shit as Origin was, it pushed Valve to improve their customer service for Steam and put in an actual refund system. Previously it was no refunds, period. Competition works.
>>728722975>EGS is a shopIt's a shitty shop that took forever to implement the most basic things like cart and wishlist. Literally no excuse why they couldn't do it before.And by the way, WItchfire is shit and a downgrade from Painkiller.
>>728725190Yeah. That pissed a lot of people and those who had say, pre-ordered Metro Exodus, had their versions retooled for the EGS.They even glued EGS logo stickers over the Steam logo on the physical releases. That was like a slap to the face.>>728725208Yep. Competition is very healthy for every business. Adapt or go bankrupt.
>>728724593Fortnite fell off hard this year. Player numbers are down like 35-40% from last year (and down over 60% from 2023), and that's after getting back on mobile. Their metaverse hasn't taken off and the battle royale modes collapsed
>>728722975Reminder that only, ONLY, reason any speaks up for Epic is because they directly pay for X number of imaginary copies sold to the developer/publisher.
>>728725134I actually agree it may help, but it's a bit of the chicken or the egg issue.Having more stuff in Fortnite could bolster the number of users but why bother shoehorning your game into Fortnite if it doesn't support the size to help you be successful.I can't say it would never happen given Fortnite itself started as a failed horde crafting game but got massive pivoting into a BR.
There's plenty of reasons why steam is better, but when it comes down to it steam will win because they were there first with a good product, and no one has any reason to move. Why would I ever buy something from EGS when my library in steam is already massive?
>>728722975Epic fails to compete with Steam because it is dogshit in comparison.
If you want me to install another storefront, you'd damn well better have a good case for why. This isn't the early days of smartphones anymore, NOBODY is excited for MORE APPS. I want less shit on my computer. I want less network traffic. I don't want to agree to another EULA, I don't want something else phoning home, I don't want more shit constantly running. You want to burden me with that, what's the tradeoff? What do you give me that I'm not already getting from Steam?None of these supposed competitors seem to have an answer.
>>728724134Discord wasn't the first either, nobody can compete with Youtube because video hosting is too expensive, and Bluesky is now a sizable and successful competitor to Twitter
>>728725517Well for me, I just buy from where I get the better deal at the moment (or GOG first if its available). When it's not on GOG, it's usually a better deal on Steam, but occasionally I got a better price on Epic.I have never had a reason to buy anything on the EA store though.
>>728725656>and Bluesky is now a sizable and successful competitor to Twitter:I
>>728725638You don't open all the storefronts at the same time you retard
>>728725656You're a retard.
>>728725734nta but it technically is. they offer more tools to control your feed and less forced engagement, more like old twitter.but the fact of the matter is that most people are just gonig to stick with whatever was first, so X/Twitter is still the best to use if you're just looking for some news/updates to specific things.
>>728725734>>728725836>no argument
>>728722975well, he's not wrong. steamies do consider a for-profit retailer to be a community, which is why steam has the power that it does.
>>728722975>Epic failKek
I think if the only thing your STORE is known or cared for is free giveaways, there's something wrong with your STORE.
>>728722975>says Witchfire leadI wouldn't take much of what he says seriously after the baffling back to back stupid directions that game took
>>728724134explain how discord overtook skype, teamspeak, mumble, vent
>>728722975Sounds like skill issue.I'm rediscovering GoG because being able to download installer files with no bullshit is actually pretty good.
>>728724134>>728725656What is this meme that nobody can compete with YouTube when TikTok exists and forced YouTube to push short form content onto home pages at users' chagrin? Are we pretending TikTok doesn't count because the videos are short?
>>728726085I mean they took the EGS exclusivity deal so they know what its like to be on epic and not on steam
>>728726103Pedos and trannies
>>728723643I kind of agree. The thing about steam that's different compared to something like facebook or whatever is that it's stuff you purchase for your account. Starting over on a different social media website isn't too bad but owning games on an account is way different
Besides Steam I buy games on GOG because it offers something unique that Steam doesnt. What EGS does for me to incentivize me to buy games there?
>>728725190Yeah, this was when I decided I'll never buy anything from them.And looking back at it now it's crazy how fucking dumb Tim's actions were:-store is barely functional-no shopping cart-this causes issues for people that wanted to buy multiple games during sales because their accounts would be flagged for suspicious activity-"customers don't matter, the people making games do"-double, triple, quadruple down when people point out the issues with the store-later it's revealed that Tim would've accepted special treatment from Apple on iOS-"we don't accept bad games, we carefully currate our offering"-Valve says they don't want NFT games on their platform-Time proclaims the EGS doesn't discriminate-Valve wants people to notify their consumers when they use AI to make their games-Tim comes out against itAt this point I'm convinced that if Valve came out and said breathing is good for you Tim would suffocate to death just to show he's not like them.
>>728726206>Are we pretending TikTok doesn't count because the videos are short?Yeah. Youtube only felt like they needed to compete with Tiktok because of executive brain, for any video content that isn't just short shitposts and zoomers screaming at their cameras you use Youtube.
>>728726604Publishers get a bigger take. Isn't that exciting?
>>728726103discord beat those by having a more fully-featured text chat with braindead easy-to-use media embeds, plus native screen sharing.
>>728726206TikTok also got banned before it was allowed to continue existing if and only if it was forcefully sold off. Now it's owned by the right people so its existence is perfectly fine.
>>728722975Steam forums are a shithole but they're the first place I check when I have technical issues. Competitors really need to step up with their secondary services
>>728726445I was talking more about him having a hand on Witchfire>Here is a game with very strong visuals made by former painkiller peopleHell yes!>It's a roguelikeFuck!
>>728726757A take that is the reason why EGS is a giant money sink with nothing to show for it.
>>728726698I'm wholly convinced that after EGS failed to succeed with its exclusivity deals, that Tim stopped caring about it as an actual storefront and now just uses it wholly as a platform to attack Valve.
>>728726768I thought it was impossible to beat anyone who came before, yet Discord did it simply by making a better product?
>>728727259These days he seems more focused on trying to get a hold within the mobile space.He only screeches about Valve every once in a while instead of daily.
>>728723529For me, it's the opposite.Steam reviews might be sometimes retarded, but you can easily figure out if they are bullshit or not. Reviews are useful because they can inform you about performance, frequency of bugs and crashes.Meanwhile, steam forums rarely have useful tips or solutions. Every time I google "game_name problem_description" I always get at least a few reddit links, but you need to get lucky to find a link to a steam forums thread.
>>728726103>teamspeak, mumble, ventWere never that popular to begin with>SkypeWas busy committing suicide which is why people flocked to Discord
No, epic is spyware drm launch platform.Steam is not spyware, to my knowledge, and the drm is minimally invasive.Fuck EGS, never using that shit. I barely even use steam.
I feel like EGS could have succeeded if it werent for Timmy and whoever runs their marketing. These guys are grade A retards that did insane ammount of damage to their store image. That's Disney Star Wars level of mismanagement.
>>728727591If Tim and his marketing team weren't retarded, they wouldn't have ever made the Epic Games Store in the first place.
>>728722975epic went full kike several times in the past and everyone remembers so they already hate the brandnot even free games can make me install their drm storefront (fuck steam too)
>>728722975Steam won by ripping off their customers.Valve is a company of liars and frauds. They do not deserve your business for their consumer unfriendly practices.
>>728727489I wonder if that's due to the kinds of games we play. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a difference between, say, AAA vs indie games in that regard or FPS games vs more niche genres.
>>728727801Let me guess, Artifact?
>>728722975>steam is a community>>728726103discord was funded by glowniggers
>>728727850Valve RAPED and KILLED Artifact behind the back of an Arby's in March 2021
>>728723643While this is the major reason EPICs storefront still is shit and that surely doesn't help.Steam>>>>GoG>>>>Blizz Launcher>>>Shit>>>>>EPIC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Origin
Epic can't even release their store for Linux which has more market share than Macs now. What a pathetic company.
>>728728054You forgot Uplay. But I don't blame you.
>>728727403well that's the thing, isn't it?EGS is clearly not a better product than steam.
>>728722975They absolutely nailed it. It's the same reason why IMDB took a nosedive once they removed the forums.
>>728726103skypebros... we are the real successor of windows live... the messenger... skypebros are you there?
>>728725208Yeah. When faced with competitive pressures, Steam adapted, Epic dug in their heels. Guess which platform ended up better off?
>V-VALVE WAS FIRSTAre you guys retarded? For the better part of a decade Steam was fucking MINISCULE compared to everyone else.So many publishers could have easily overtaken them, Blizzard in particular, during that time.But no.It's not that Steam was first it's because everyone was too fucking retarded to have any trust in PC.
>>728722975>>728723374Epic just fails as a storefront entirely, meanwhile Steam's tagging system is simply unbeaten, on Epic if you want to find a specific game you need to dig though broad categories like "Action games" or "Adventure games" which both feature mostly the same slop, meanwhile on steam you can find a game, you want a game that feature's dwarves, has co-op and guns? Yeah fine just throw in the tags and you'll find it in seconds
>>728729120Anon, Steam was legitimately the first dedicated game store application. It's why it was so hated in the beginning, people were angry they were trying to force a completely separate application to be open when people just wanted to play their games.
I just want Tim "The Dog" Sweeney to fucking give up already so I no longer have to see his shills in every fucking gaming space manufacturing arguments about how Valve and Steam are uniquely evil and bad this week.
>>728723374You are correctAll of the extra features on steam are superfluous. HOWEVER! a very useful feature is the dev updates that keep you up to date on the state of your games without having to follow the individual devs or game accounts on their gay ass socials
>>728724321Meanwhile EGS has hundreds of NFT games.
Even groceries stores understand how to survive a competition and lure in customers with such tactics as points aggregating cards which you can use to later get products in exchange for you accumulated points. EGS? Nothing. They hand out free games and do nothing to stimulate me to buy there. And yet I'm sure that their managers earn more in a month than I am in 10 years. Corpo world often doesn't make sense to me. It seemengly run by absolutely clinical retards and yet those retards bath in money and keep failing upwards.
>>728723374>it doesnt have shitty rounded edge mobile phone design spacing, it doesnt have awful dogshit slow shitty menuslollmao even
I looked a the front page of Ebin Gay Store. That alone was already fucking dog shit, promoting Fortnite and mostly some weird chink shit and korea slop and other "free" crap. Chink shit is there because Tim sucks little yellow cock and the rest is for the other retards that play gacha type garbage and other terrible games. It's not a site for actual gamers or anyone but the ultra casual shitters and braindead zoomer kiddies.
>>728729527works on my machine
>>728725425Epic has been mishandling Fortnite so hard it's infuriating, especially when they sometimes nail the new maps and gameplayThey downsized BR for metaverse shit via new modes (one already ceased development and another is on life support, although the mediocre LEGO Minecraft is doing fine) and spent 3+ years trying to capture some of Roblox's market share, burning money by paying map makers for playtime and consequently flooding the market with copypasted maps and copyright-infringing AI slop thumbnails that Epic doesn't police for quality control at allThis year someone made a copy of Roblox's "Steal A Brainrot," a skinner box idle game with P2W microtransactions and literal AI-generated creature designs, and it has hundreds of thousands of "players" (trends indicate a significant amount are bots but Epic doesn't care), and Epic has responded by shilling the fuck out of this mode; putting it in the news tab, making Twitter posts about it and even at one point updating the game so it would show up on the main menu before the modes you've last played. People DESPISE this shit but tens-to-hundreds of thousands of gen alpha iPad babies who might spend V-Bucks on microtransactions is more tantalizing than their established playerbase
>>728723643Steam wasn't the first but being early in the market and gaining a sizeable userbase while also being good at what it does allows it to passively gain market momentum. Steam is the Youtube of PC gaming.
>>728729259I want EGS to die so we can see what happens when a platform holding everyones licences crumbles. Given Epic have already shown how much they are willing to fuck over customers for profit, my guess is its gg.
>>728729613>Open steam in private tab >half of the frontpage is gacha garbage
>>728728120Imagine making a game that is perfectly capable of playing on the Deck but you're just going to tell your customers "fuck you".
>>728724134Discord is hard to compete with because of it being community-based. Even though people use it to talk with friends, many use it to participate in specific communities that won't exist on other platforms.Youtube is hard to compete with because video hosting, especially on a similar scale, is incredibly expensive.Twitter does have competition, but they mostly just attract specific kinds of people.
I'm going to redeem this card
>>728722975Epic fails to compete with Steam because Epic was designed to be a communist game sharing service that got all its profit from FortNite skins, while Steam had to earn every penny until it finally grew big enough to become GabeN's personal money printer
>>728727707>>728722975People can rightfully shit on EGS as a storefront all they want but it DID get games to be ported to PC (which eventually ended up on Steam).So I really have no reason to be upset that Sweeney wasted money on this endeavor.
>>728723643if steam fumbled then a competitor could take over, but it's hard to fumble, the store works fine, the steam community features work fine. who can say what killer feature that supplants them would be if they fail to implement it quickly, but whatever it is it doesn't exist with any of their competitors.maybe they're even too big to fail at this point 75% probably more of digital pc game transactions take place through steam, that's a large entity to replace, too dominant, like how no video sharing website could ever replace youtube for longform content, it's too big too central, unlimited highspeed 4k video storage for free with their infinite googlebucks and a userbase in the billions. dailymotion, vimeo, bitchute, not in a million years will they be relevant when everyone is already on one centralized platform.
>>728730165MAAAAAAM
>>728730401fumbling doesn't necessarily mean losing, X has fumbled the ball in taking away features and introducing more barriers, but people are too lazy to move to anything else.it has to be something REALLY bad to get people to move en masse
>>728730231How did the entirety of china and EGS get completely fucking GAPED by Valve?
>>728722975>game forums>workshop>account minigame for adhd zoomers>regular salesIts no surprise steam is so popular compared to most other storefronts
>>728730596>entirety of china?
>>728729709The funny thing about Steal the Brainrot is that it is ripped off from the Roblox version and the guy who made it had to buy a license to use it.
>>728730214And Steam continues to improve and add useful stuff. But they also "modernize" and change some things that don't need that. But usually it's like 3-4 steps forward, one step back.
>>728725517If EGS actually offered something better you might, but Tim doesn't want to offer anything better. He wants to offer something tangibly worse and doesn't realize why poaching titles for temporary exclusivity pissed a bunch of people off.The fact that he can sell an identical digital product and still be offering the worse deal is an astronomical fuckup that he refuses to address and he will instead whine on Twitter about some bullshit no one cares about.
>>728730231That's rich to atribute it entirely to EGS when it happened before and Capcom openly stated that a huge portion of their revenue comes from PC and I somehow doubt it's thanks to Timmy.
>>728730784Timmy is such a stupid fuck up.
Timmy is trying to push for a "No AI disclosure on storefronts", so fuck him.Steam forces that disclosure, so gonna keep using it.
>>728729251This. I remember buying CS anthology, and being bewildered by the requirement for making an account. Still, damn it used to be simple.
>>728722975It's true. Steam is the only one with things like Family Sharing, Remote Play/Remote Play Together, server and LAN functionality built in, the Workshop for modding and the list just goes on and on. It's not hard to win when everyone else treats you like trash and offers nothing.
>>728730715China has been seething non-stop since they blundered an investment into epic and are paying anti-shills to shit on Valve
>>728729251>It's why it was so hated in the beginningZoom zooms who weren't there shouldn't make statements about how things were.
>>728722975Missing the point. The reason why people don’t use EGS is because the shopping experience is actively abrasive.
>>728731761It extends much further than that. Why would I ever spend money on a platform that is objectively worse in every single way?
>>728731597Everyone who played counterstrike hated being forced to use steam. So yeah, you shouldn't make statements, faggot.
Why'd they ask for an opinion from the Witchfire guys? They're idiots.
>>728724927Flutey is a fag.
>>728722975And what a community steam has! Nothing but pedos screeching about flags, woke and review bombing every single game!
>>728731597>>728732078"Steam is the online delivery and anti-piracy client that Valve used to distribute Half-Life 2. Even people who bought the retail version of HL2 had to create a Steam account and verify their copy of the game. Valve cracked down on pirated copies, banning some 50,000 illicit accounts.Steam has been a bit controversial, however. Many gamers complain about having to log in to Steam every time they want to play, but I personally love the system. Valve has released new content, patches, upgrades, models, and maps nearly every week since the game was released, and even provided gamers with the the wonderful surprise of an HL2 Deathmatch game."From Concerned, a contemporary web comic strip. So, yeah, Steam was pretty controversial when it first came out since it was basically the first time you were forced into making an account for something to play the video game you just bought in a store.
>>728722975I hecking love STEAM
>>728729251It doesnt matter if it was first.It took fucking ages for it to get better and gain marketshare.
>>728731597you're the retarded zoomer. i've got the 21 years service badge and everyone fucking hated steam when it first came out. it was annoying and buggy and was basically forced DRM coming from physical media. it took years of updates before it became decent.
>>728732078>Everyone who played counterstrike hated being forced to use steamNo they didn't. Post your steam ID or keep quiet.
>>728732707>i've got the 21 years service badge Steams automatic game updates was a massive feature that was objectively an improvement that people liked. Zoom zoom's who weren't there, echoing reddit sentiments, should keep quiet.
>>728722975oh right, I forget people care about that stuffit's just the program that has my games to me
>>728733308automatic updates sucked ass if you had shitty internet which tons of people did 03/04. there werent any pre-updates or rolling updates either. you would just go to play your single player game and be locked out of it for an hour while it updated. steam was legit ass when it first came out and people just preferred to use x-fire for the community features. steam was just this annoying gay thing you had to have installed to play source games and every time you opened it up it was infuriating because it was also fucking slow and glitchy and buggy.you really have no idea what you're talking and i can almost guarantee you started using it 2007 onward. when orange box dropped is basically around the time it became massively better. it honestly got better every year after it came out but the first couple years it was painfully bad, 05/06 it became tolerable, 07 onward it became great. but i don't know where the fuck you get off calling me a zoomer when you obviously weren't there in the beginning.
>>728722975I used to be on steam, then moved over to GoG exclusively.If your game has DRM on it, you don't own it, simple as.
>>728734405>automatic updates sucked ass if you had shitty internet It was objectively an improvement vs queuing for updates on some gay third party site and only finding out you needed an update because all your favourite servers were a version ahead.>you really have no idea what you're talkingI was in IRC the moment steam launched. Steam only sucked if you were some third world zigger who couldn't get the latest updates for cracked servers.
>>728734585Why would I ever buy from GOG when pirates get the same experience for free and its objectively worse than Steam?
This game tries to be to many things at once and just kind of falls flat which is a shame since the core gameplay is decent
No store will be able to compete as long as they're forced to sell at the same prices as Steam.
>>728734883They aren't.
>>728732275He's the best thing to happen to that general full of literal cucks (you), leftists, and furries. The leftists always pull their>media illiteracy!and you guys all fall for it and eat up. Agree to it. I left that shithole fast too after the initial surge and back when they didn't nerf the game for Redditors who wanted a "chill" experience after work over the extreme diffuculty the game had.
>>728734883it's not like most publishers would do that even if they were given the option
>>728734883oh boy here we go with this fake shit again
>>728734981So where's the cheaper store?
>>728734585Have fun owning 20 year old games, poorfag.
>>728735191Depends of the game. Few days ago E33 was cheaper on gog.
>>728735191Epic often signs deals with publishers to undercut Steam.
>>728723643>And no one else can ever win because no one else can ever be the first.Sure can. It's just an uphill battle from a weaker position which can take a long time.
>>728723643zoomers don't know about it but during 2007 to 2009 gfwl was actually doing better than steam with most major pc games being there while steam's first major third party exclusive being civ 5 a year later
>>728734638>I was in IRC the moment steam launched.then you should fucking remember tons of people hating it. you're actually such an immense faggot. the argument we're having is "was steam generally disliked when it first came out" the answer is YES and you fucking know this if you were in IRC servers back then, you probably had tons of friends that hated it. instead you're now arguing, "well actually, I liked it when it came out, everyone with amazing internet in 2003 did, therefore it was beloved by everyone".the bulk of FIRST WORLDERS had shitty internet in 2003, the BULK of people in general disliked steam, just having to sign up with your email to play HL2 was considered fucking aids. automatic updates only became liked when the way they were delivered was massively improved and peoples internet connections in general got better. this didn't start happening until 2-3 years after steam launched. if anything stuff like steam was a huge impetus for ISP's to make improvements and people going out of there way to pay for better internet. But at the time steam launched everyone was used to buying a game and if you wanted updates you waited until an expansion pack came out. i'll give you that shit like gamespy was equally aids but steam when it launched wasn't much better. you're basically using for your memory a version of steam from 05/06 when most of the major bugs had been squashed and im talking about 03/04 steam when people actually started first using it.
>>728735491Your timeframe is wrong, because only a few games back then were GFWL. It was likely post-2009. Steam was opening up to nearly everything. Even most GFWL games (Fallout 3, Kane & Lynch, etc) outside of Gears were on Steam.
>>728723643Hi Tim. Chew on any good remotes lately?
>>728735491bro GFWL was never at any point in its history doing better than steam and it was basically hated from day 1 because of how much more DRM and bloatware it had attached to it compared to steam. i remember painfully groaning out loud in eb games any time i wanted to buy a game and saw it had the GFWL logo in the corner. this is some truly retarded revisionist history.
>>728735491>steam's first major third party exclusive being civ 5no, that was probably cod mw2 in 2009
steam is an online casino for children
>>728736164even if it were, stop caring, pussy. you'll never have any kids anyway. why care?
>>728736164But enough about Fortnite
>>728736217unless fortnite has gacha/lootbox mechanics, then it isn't
>>728736164whales will exist therefore so will whale milkingat least valve is actively advancing open source with that money and it will end with people being liberated from microsoft and maybe even android and iOS down the line
Nope. No one uses the steam community. They use steam because that's where their games are. Why would I buy games on EGS instead of steam?Epic had a chance, they could have sold games 10% cheaper and took the loss. That way they can boast that the 12% fee results in cheaper games. Timmy Tencent isn't intelligent (despite what he thinks) so he didn't do that, though, he tried to strongarm a community known for throwing tantrums over everything, which didn't work. Oh well, losers lose, and will stay losing forever.
It's funny seeing bigger companies crumble when they make their own store fronts to bypass Steam. I cancelled my Netflix and Crunchyroll subscriptions when that started with them and just returned to piracy.
>>728736270fortnite had lootboxes as the ONLY means of gear progression until they got taken to court for preying on kids now they 'only' prey on kids using battlepasses and FOMO shit
>>728736115FEAR 2 was Steam exclusive. Retail required Steam to activate.
>>728736115And, I'm samefagging, but SiN Episodes was 2006.
>>728737557Outside of the obvious paid shills, has anyone really fallen for Tim's astroturfing? No matter where I go, no matter how full of normies it is, I've rarely seen anyone talk about the Epic Games Store in a positive light, nor anyone who gives a shit about the arguments that Steam is supposedly bad and predatory. And when there are people who try to bring those arguments up they get shut down pretty quickly.
>>728735558>then you should fucking remember tons of people hating itI'm not a redditor echoing reddit sentiments. People liked it becau it was the latest version of the games and it automatically updated them for you which was novel at the time.People simply didn't hate steam. The friends list being down for months was a bummer, but steam was objectively an improvement to WON.
>>728722975>Epic failswhat year is it? 2005?
>>728737654i don't like that game, but it seems like they did exactly what you wanted. so you having kids now or what? because that shit shouldn't matter unless you have kids yourself
a lot of what kept me on steam was that all of my friends were on steam. steam also had a lot of good games early because of valve- valve also does a lot of things that I personally find extremely nice like family sharing, controller emulation, hardware innovation, etcif gay ben just completely nipped their community markets in the bud and killed their gambling scene I'd have no complaints
>>728722975>Epic fails to compete with Steam because “EGS is a shop, Steam is a community”, says Witchfire lead, as Epic has “nothing to do but to buy”I've been saying this shit for years, they want to protect the devs' feefees so much that you can't even fucking review a damn game, and obviously no community forums to discuss issues or criticism or get help from other players, because "muh gaymurs" could use it for """"harassing"""" the """""poor"""""" developers....
>>728738567>nipped their community markets in the bud and killed their gambling scene I'd have no complaintsOf all the things to complain about, being able to make money playing games is absolutely retarded.
>>728734696I don't buy from GOG on principle as it's owned by woke CDProjekt. . . so money is going to people that hate you and to fund their other woke projects.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com
>>728738974>wokeNothing you say will ever have value. Stop using NPC words.
>>728722975>You mean they use other features as well?He's just fucking with you, it's a classic trading hours story billionaires tell millionaires to sare them away from going home to family. "Oooh there's a spooky consumer that wants something more than just give you money". Come on bro, it's just a fairy tale, let's go we're gonna be late for the yacht party
>>728739052Sorry, meant to say they worship minorities and fourth wave feminism (lesbian misandrists).
>>728728054>Steam>>>>GoGThis is gamercattle insanity. Literally choosing to not own your games, and for what? A better looking storefront? A better review system?
>>728723604the internet was a mistake
>>728722975Based Witchfire dev. Game is 20% off right now and Bout to leave early access in a month or two.
>>728734696You're the reason we can't have nice things.
>>728725656>and Bluesky is now a sizable and successful competitor to Twitterkek
>>728739297Personally, I just don't approve of current cdpr. I avoid online stores in the first place unless it's to support a specific dev.
>>728729131But steam tags are also shit.Best selling tactical games? CS2, WoT, BF6, Hunt, Apex
>>728725656Bluesky is literally, and I mean literally just a containment zone for people from twitter who couldn't handle that the thumb was taken off the scale and now they have to deal with the reality that not everyone agrees with them.
>>728724975Videogame Myspace is a very apt comparison actually yes.
