The greatest tragedy of games is that they hit a goldilocks zone sweet spot at a certain point 20+ years ago but just kept advancing to their detriment anyway>small team of funded skilled professionals >kept cranking out masterpiece after masterpiece in just a year or two>games played great and conveyed their ideas perfectly despite limited scopeBut then games had to keep growing in size and dev teams and budgets and detail shown and now it takes forever to make a bad game full of shit no one likes or cares about and only bogs down the experience We can't go back to the sweet spot games because they don't make as much money, and indies lack both the funds and skills to make such games again
>>728732739Sorry wrong board, I meant to post this on >>>/vr/
>>728732739YesI have thought about this many times of the yearsI would like simpler faster to produce art styles, so games take 1-2 years instead of 6
This has been a problem for basically every entertainment medium.Movies, music, vidya, they've all been geared towards large productions that either rack in a glorious amount of cash or flop substantially.Probably has something to do with the centralization of corporations and capitalism running out of control.
>>728732739I'm glad they won't remake 6 to new shiny 3D graphics, retards who can't stomach the original visuals don't deserve these old games
>>728732739Why can't a man like Kitase, who was on the frotlines of development back then, and lamented about the team getting too big around the time FF8 came out, see that big game = shit game? Why why why why just make good games again ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>728732739It doesn't need to be on par with FF7R, FF7R is a bloated piece of shit
>>728732739But skyrim isn't 20nyears old yet you gay boomer. Nobody cares about thease ancient pixel art indie games that only (you) played
FF6 is nice to play as it is.
>>728732739>20 yearsSqueenix is so out of touch.People don't want Final Fantasy to be some AAA junk.Just take everything the OG games had and update the graphics and artstyle in such a way that they would fit in well with the tone and settings of the games.So I don't want the more realistic looks of what FF currently goes for. If every FF game would get a remake, then each of them should have graphics and artstyles unique to each other. 7 and 8? OK, let them be more more realistic, but every other FF remake should have their own art direction.
>>728733797Skyrim is already limited in scope to what it could've been if they kept the Daggerfall or even Morrowind level of detail
>>728732739>it would take 20 years!!HOW ABOUT NOT MAKING 3 SEPERATE GAMES BLOATED TO THE GILLS WITH FAN FIC, UBISLOP GAME DESIGN, POINTLESS FUCKING MINIGAMES AND A TON OF GAY SHIT NO ONE FUCKING ASKED FOR?!! HOW LONG WOULD IT FUCKING TAKE THEN?!
>>728732739OP SHUT THE FUCK UPARE THERE MECHS IN FINAL FANTASY 6? Also can someone tell me what these final fantasy remakes are like? Are they action rpg or an rpg like the original just with better graphics?
>>728733986People dont want games that look old though
>>728732739To be fair, even if tech stayed in that goldilocks zone, it doesn't mean that games of that caliber would continue being made. The real problem with today's designers is that they care about the wrong things when they make their game. Even if it were 2D or low-poly, FFXVI would probably still be a "we don't use the term JRPG" mess with magic kaiju fights.
>>728733930>Squeenix is so out of touch.Anon people had years to figure that out. SE execs were confused when people loved Octopath Travellers. You know, the game that made both Square and Enix popular in the first place?SE is speedrunning itself to become the Activision of Japan.
>>728732739>also square: lets remake a 100 hour dragon quest game in 3d... AGAIN!!!
>>728734019There are mechs in every Final Fantasy. 6 opens with you playing as a cyber newtype raiding a town while in a mech.The Final Fantasy 7 remake series are completely new gamesMost of the remakes in the franchise are mostly the same game with different visuals
>>728734082I like old looking games. Maybe because I'm old, too.
>>728734082That's the tragedy, old games can look fantastic with the right artists but everyone wants RTX and individual hair strands and other pointless shit that adds nothing to the actual game or experience which means we mostly get bad games these days that take forever to make Pic related is a whole generation behind Morrowind yet looks better than it, with this level of fidelity maybe we could get an actual Tamriel-encompassing game and made in a couple of years, but since everyone wants to see Bethesda embarrass themselves trying to make realistic faces it means TES6 is taking 20+ years and it's going to be shit and set in only one or two regions anyway
>>728732739it's scope creep more than anything. look at astro bot, that took a small team on a few years to make and the graphics/attention to detail is insane. companies are trying to make these 80 hour long goliaths instead of a good ass 20 hour long game. a game like the yakuza jrpgs have a billion side activities and something like persona is over 100 hours long because of the social links. >>728733930>People don't want Final Fantasy to be some AAA junk.final fantasy was the original AAA series. that's why it became popular in the first place. you can trace the root of AAA gaming back to FF7. ff16 was only a AA game too, the budget was $59 million, ff15 was over $100 million, ff7r and rebirth are both over $100 million as well.
It's sad living in a world where your game could have the best top of the line pixel art ever made and people would still say "I'm not paying that much for a pixel art game!" if it cost $60, meanwhile they'd gladly shell out $80 for any dull ugly realistic marketplace asset flip that comes along
>>728735754That's exactly what happened to Symphony of the Night on PS1. People wrote it off because it didn't have 3D graphics, a lot of the reviews deducted points for it being 2D.
>>728735892And they were right to do so, same reason I haven't played it
it needs a remake, games of that period are unplayable. having thd battles turn based is also a massive red flag.
>>728733176How the fuck is that a problem with music though, there is nothing that justifies an increased budget
>>728734167>SE is speedrunning itself to become the Activision of Japan.Boy and how.>>728734526>final fantasy was the original AAA series. that's why it became popular in the first place. you can trace the root of AAA gaming back to FF7. ff16 was only a AA game too, the budget was $59 million, ff15 was over $100 million, ff7r and rebirth are both over $100 million as well.Back then there was no AAA and games were either good or bad.AAA in an overwhelming majority is overpriced garbage and Clair Obscure proved you don't need hundreds of millions in cash and thousands of people working on a game for years.Squeenix simply doesn't know how to manage their resources (and an overwhelming majority of AAA studios by that extension).Add to this the incompetence of the higher-ups and you get the picture.They don't need to make it AAA. Make it JUST a very good AA game.
>>728732739A single developer is able to shit out things like Black Souls I & II in rpgm in a matter of years.It's all about trying to meet non-existent expectations.
>>728732739these guys are so out of touch with there roots it's patheticFF died the day FFX-2 was releasedfuck sequels, prequels, remakes, reboots and all the other re-tarded shit
>>728734240what mechs are in ff7? god im old i cant remember shit anymorehow much mechplay is in 6
>>728736135They need more marketing money to ensure your toddler listens to DJ Moloch's Twerkiest Hits at the daycare
>>728736391>Squeenix simply doesn't know how to manage their resources (and an overwhelming majority of AAA studios by that extension).but they did with ff16.they're trending in the right direction, if they skipped the action combat and spectacle fighter shit they could get even more out of their budgets. >Back then there was no AAA and games were either good or bad.and final fantasy stood out because of the fmv graphics. final fantasy was the bar against all graphics were measured for over a decade. back then even normalfags loved final fantasy because the fmvs were so ahead of anything else on console, blizzard's pc fmvs are renowned by the pc audience as well.
>>728736891shin-ra has tons of robot guardsproud clod is probably the best example of an outright mech, though
VI is genuinely the worst FF. Avoid it if you’re new to the series, it’s a Reddit meme
>>728736727>FF died the day FFX-2 was released>Toriyama started directing himself with Final Fantasy X-2 and has continued doing so with Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings, Blood of Bahamut, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII and Mobius Final Fantasy.wew lad
>>728737187why
>>728732739The primary culprit here is open world games. They increase the scope by so much, it's insane. All the technically capable companies were compelled to do it because of the success of GTA3. That was the true beginning of the games arms race. Ridiculous scope increases driven by the advent of open world games. I worked right through all of it in the trenches. Before and after. Simple as.
>>728732739They need 20 years to figure out the optimal amount of niggers and trannies to insert in the remake.
>>728737818seems like they did a good job of permanently inserting them into your brain
>>728732739Expedition 33 suggests otherwise
>>728737506The party is constantly broken up so you can’t actually plan any strategyThe story’s main villain is comedic relief for the first half, then just kicks the other bad guy off an island and that’s it. That’s his big story.The settings are well done, the music is well done, that is almost the only good part of the whole gameMany of the characters have stupid gimmicks, like the feral kid, you can only get his blue magic in one section of the entire world map. Why?The writing is just not up to par with 7/8/9, granted 1-5 aren’t epics either but 1 has a clever twistThe game also has one of the hardest bosses of any FF at the end. He has like five forms to fight through, it’s pretty silly. I think this is why Reddit memes the game so hard, to dissuade people from enjoying the series. Literally jealous trannies and niggers
>>728738605what are the best ones? i only played viii and iv ds. beat viii but dropped iv
>>728737916No shit, thats the whole point, and you shove that shit in real life and you are a fucking blood traitor for even criticizing a fellow White on being disgusted by it.
>>7287388977/8/9 are my favoritesTry the original VII easy to emulate
>>728739538it's better than suikoden?
The book "The Mythical Man-Month" explains this perfectly, and was written about programming in the 1970s.Bloating dev/production teams doesn't actually improve quality nor delivery timelines. What is needed is good management, clearly defined goals, and intelligent workers, not MORE workers.>We can't go back to the sweet spot games because they don't make as much money, and indies lack both the funds and skills to make such games againThis is incorrect and indie games are proving this over and over again. Look at all the great indie games of this year. The sweet spot can be incredibly lucrative, but game companies are too big to capitalize on it.A gaming industry crash that amazingly doesn't impact gamers at all is inevitable.
>>728732739does kitase not realize that nobody likes the ff7 remakes because they are unfaithful bloaed pieces of nomura fanfiction trash and that an actual faithful remake of ff6 would take a team of autistic white men like 2 years tops to complete?
>>728739405>rent free>yes they do in fact live in my head rent freelol
>>728732739implementation if constant voice acting killed games. the true essence of games is the imagination and it was taken from us with voice acting and a desire to make games look real
>>728739753>A gaming industry crash that amazingly doesn't impact gamers at all is inevitable.What can crash? A couple of AAA flops isn't a crash
>>728736935It's all so tiresome
>>728739753>This is incorrect and indie games are proving this over and over again.They're not, there hasn't been even one indie game as good as FF6, let alone multiple, let alone better than FF6>>728738268If anything it proves this to be true, someone managed to scrap together a semblance of how old games used to be made and immediately swept the GOTYs by default, AND it took 6 years to make
>>728739753>Bloating dev/production teams doesn't actually improve quality nor delivery timelines. What is needed is good management, clearly defined goals, and intelligent workers, not MORE workersNow every big corpo is doubling down on going full retard by placing their hopes and dreams into AI and using AI (all indians) to increase profit while "lowering" cost.
>>728732739>It would take 20 years for this game everybody wants>That's too long so we'll spend 5 years each on 4 games nobody gives a shit aboutI don't get it
>>728732739It's funny how the company just never released anything good again after becoming "Square Enix". 22 years of blunders.
>>728733176Publicly traded companies are beholden to producing gains for shareholders and for entertainment companies that inevitably devolves into literal gambling on making megahits
>>728741604The funniest part is when they remake their own legendary games from the past, they make them worse. They can't even do remakes right. Time jannies? Extra gay shit? Diversity consultation? FF7 remake should've been a lock. Now it's just a fucking running joke.
>>728739753>Bloating dev/production teams doesn't actually improve qualityGames don't have big teams because of programming. Even the most complex games usually only employ about the same size programming team as really small indie games. Game studios hire shitloads of people to create art assets, market the game, and manage all those people. The main drivers are games increasingly trying to add tons of high-fidelity 3D models, an original soundtrack, animations (which often includes motion capture now), and voice acting for every character.Most games used to not have any of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O3ln5KJwVAApparently every single little thing in a AAA game needs to have several steps to do something as basic as chip eating or any other basic animation.
we have to go back in time and tell Hironobu Sakaguchi not to make the Spirits Within
>>728742124You can see this kind of shit in all big companies. Every decision, no matter how small or trivial, requires layers and layers of pointless bureaucracy.
>>728741725And who are the biggest shareholders? The execs running the damn company into the ground. That's the biggest deflection created by those psychopaths. They chose to go public, and they have to be accountable for bad decisions namely if they choose to pursue profit at the expense of quality.
>>728744954Jews, same as every other company. Notice a pattern yet?
>>728745158As we all know, every shareholder who is not jewish is famously levelheaded, not greedy, and doesn't desire to sacrifice the entire concept of any given company at the alter of cashoh wait no they literally all fucking do that, crazy
>>728745279Don't deflect rabbi.
why are you a cuuk
>>728733634japanese businessmen are required to become retarded when they reach boomer age
>>728732739Retard.
>>728732739No, games are objectively much, much, MUCH better now than they were 20 years ago, verifiably so, especially compared to Square movie game slop. Move on already, I'm sick of sifting through the same old casual diatribes
>>728745676Modern games are dogshit, tranny pants pisser.
>>728745752>U-UR A TRANNIE!!!!My dad beat me for having gay porn on my computer, kid. You're gunna have to try a LOT harder to get under my skin.
>>728745676Explain your stance.
Hourly: "things that happened when I was a kid were better than things now"
>>728746232>>728745676>tranime
>>728746412Final Fantasy X is objectively a bigger success than FFXVI. This is a fact irrespective of anyone's feelings.
>>728746412hate to break it to you timmy, but they were. The late 90s to early 2000s were the literal peak time to be a kid in human history, you missed out being born too late.
>>728741813Asset bloat is one of the four horseman of bad game development. 90% of the people working on any given AAA game are subcontractors exclusively doing asset work.
>>728746301What is there to explain? Every year, 19,000 games get released onto steam. Even if we apply sturgeon's law and say 90% of those games are total shit, that would still mean there are about 1,900 good games released on Steam every year, which far outpaces entire generations in terms of quality games released. This is evident when you look at a game like Windswept, which normalfag casuals like you would take one look at and say is a ripoff of DKC, but people who actually play games and enjoy challenge will tell is a lot more meticulously designed than anything on the SNES. Idk dude, maybe step out of your RPG bubble for once and play a real game.
>>728747029what exactly makes this boring looking game better than anything on the snes, better than the game it is ripping off DKC
>>728747029Bro your 10x10 contains a lot of RPGs, stop the cope already, you hate BAD RPGs and you like GOOD RPGs.
>>728732739>20 yearsLiterally skill issue. They can no longer produce games without Sakaguchi.
How come modern devs are so creativetly bankrupt, the only way to make games now is to copy existing game or remake series with DEI
What would even take 20 years that isn't adding a bunch of bloat no one wants?
>>728747231>boring looking gameThere you go again. You normalfags can't help yourselves lol.Any gamer worth his salt would recognize how the movement and level design far exceeds DKC and it isn't even close. They would see that true beauty in videogames are in the aesthetics of play, NOT the art direction, or music, or writing, or any other meaningless crap casuals use as video games as a vehicle for. Again, this would all be apparent to you if only you played just one real game in your entire life. It's not too late, either. 1cc DaiOuJou and you'll realize just how right I am.
>>728747740Expedition 33 mogged them so much they went radio silent.
>>728747316Excellent work digging up my old, outdated chart, tardo. I'm currently in the process of updating and excising all the slop, meaning most, if not all RPGs and other gameplay-less garbage.
>>728747953>old chartLiterally posted this few months ago, and you claim you are in the middle of your 30s, people don't flip flop and do 180 change in few months, your taste doesn't just change that fast, you are putting a new persona and you deserve to be called on it.
>>728732739Passion + Limitations = SOVL
>>728747767>You normalfags can't help yourselves lol.the game looks like shit. the main character design is bland, the art directional is messy and all over the place, and the gameplay is a mediocre rehash of games from 30 years ago. Thanks for proving the point that modern games are trash
>>728747231Is that dolphin wearing a Captain's hat?
>>728748032Do you think he cares?He's a legit psychopath and known liar with a persecution complex, you can call him out all you want and he'll be back tomorrow with the same spiel, all he wants is the human interaction he can't get IRL because he's a self admitted 35 year old recluse prison gay incel who cut himself off from his family and actual human beings.To nobody's wonder, after all somebody that is so repulsive online must be absolutely unbearable IRL.
>>728732739You fucking retardsKitase meant on the same scale as FFVII remake.14 main playable characters, each with their own move set.Putting also attention to each character and expanding their role so they feel important and IN the story to begin with.Also making all the towns distinct. Both worlds as well with all the contet.Thats why he says 20 years as both joke and "it should take a good chunk of time".>b-b-but dont do that!he was ASKED for FFVI remake on teh same scale as FFVII remake.
>>728732739100%The lack of passion, forced diversity in the workforce and pursuit of profit and quantity over quality also doesn't help.
>>728748032This may come to shock to you, but there exist people in this world aren't stagnant and worthless like you. Is it really so impossible to believe that, as I've grown and changed, I have learned what's good and bad in a video game, and have moved on from the shitty slop a younger, less experienced version of me? Oh, what am I saying? Of course it is, because you're basically a younger, less experienced version of me already. And you always will be, because you're incapable of growing or learning in any real measure.>>728748115https://store.steampowered.com/app/1660960/Windswept/There is a demo out right now. Play it, and see how wrong and stupid you are. You won't, because we both know people like you revile anything that requires any real effort.>>728748336>posts homoerotic softcore porn for balding 40-year-oldsOkay, I think we're done here.
>>728748616Who are you replying to? I'm aware of what he meant.
>>728732739Which FF airship is the best and why is it the Lunar Whale?Which is the worst and why is it the Ragnarok Is it the lack of propellers?
>>728748992>Is it really so impossible to believe that, as I've grown and changed,Grown and changed in 3 months after spending 30 years playing video games, lol lmao evenThis is like a poorly written character arc.I get it, if you changed 1, 2, heck 5 of your favorite games, but to do a complete flip flop and start claiming you're a new person now? in a span of few months? that doesnt happen this fast when you are in your mid 30s.So either you are lying about your ageOr you are putting on a new internet persona where you become this hardcore gameplay dude that hates Rpgs.And im betting on the later.
A remake of FFVI is necessary because the story and characters are a mess, and the leveling system is too.
>>728748336That is sad, because this dude has some potential in him, but he likes this slop 4chan waste of debates that he found a new persona now to stir the pot and fan the flames, this new persona will get him some fun shitposting in the next 6 months, until he "changes" again and starts a new crusade against some other genre.Instead of this slop, he could've made a youtube channel and created some content that will be remembered after he is below the dirt.
>>728732739Isn't the compromise cell-shaded 3D graphics (i.e. anime style)? Looks good, timeless artsytle, graphically non-intense, not too hard to create assets. I guess animation is still a pain in the arse compared to a few frames of pixel sprites.
>>728732739>hurr durr why was whatever stupid bullshit that came out when I was 10 better than anything elseboomer, your le epic masterpiece is fucking pixelart with an 8-bit soundtrack, it's not that deep
>>728749791The leveling system is fine, the game is balanced around subpar leveling. Hell, you can ignore it entirely and still clear the game just fine.>storyMaybe if you are illiterate. It's not very deep bro, crazy clown wants to fuck with people so he does.
>>728750015I guess the issue is animating all the ennemies. Might as well make a Monster Hunter clone instead.
>>728749791Just spam ultima in the final battle bro
>>728749674He's obviously an underage troon retard who discovered a certain youtube channel and made it his entire personality.
>>728749586Blackjack is the best, because it's your home. Worst one is Invincible IX Edition. Its insides look like clinical shit and it has no cool place to go to.
>>728749586I'll always pick the Highwind because it has a chocobo pen.
>>728738268that game did not have the scope of even notably smaller games like FF12, let alone any of the prior numbered games
>>728738605>The party is constantly broken up so you can’t actually plan any strategy>The game also has one of the hardest bosses of any FF at the end>complaining about difficulty on a fucking JRPGhaha oh wow
>>728732739>Prease buy my game 5 timesu
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Machinehttps://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Warmech_(Final_Fantasy)FF always had mecha even in the very first game
>>728738605Good bait.Really if you didn't grow up with it the graphics will probably filter you. That's it. Game is a masterpiece easily towering over 8 and a little bit over 7.Nothing after 9 is worth mentioning.
>>728732739Imagine ff6 remake with action battle system and marvel tier multiverse shit
Xenogears had a superior story to any FF.
>>728732739VI is magical and made me cry as a kid.
>>728732739I just keep looking back to squares output of games on PS1 and it makes me want to scream. They had FORTY something games on that platform. Three main line final fantasies. Several spinoffs. A bunch of brand new experimental IPs all within the span of five or so years. Game development was so cheap but still able to look good that they could take risks. Games didn't need to sell a quadrillion copies so even the more niche stuff could coast off the backs of the more popular series. Now we can't even get more than a single FF per console generation.
While at it Capcom should remake this.
It might not be so cuttingly next gen as reviewers would like but I feel like a lot of the more dedicated fans would be decently happy with something like Trials of Mana or Romancing Saga 2. I think you could probably clean this up a bit more, keep the more stylized graphic style and yeah, fans would eat it up. It wouldn't cost as much and you'd probably net a decent strong profit that doesn't take a decade to come out.
>>728732739SE should have a small team to make classic 2D final fantasy games.
>>728757358If Capcom can do it for Mega Man there's no reason a retro throwback FF can't work. Hell that's basically just Bravely Default and Octopath. Just give one of those the prestige titles already and quit it with the big retarded spectacle movie game multi media bullshit.
>>728734013no one wants the same game with better graphics. what a waste of money.
>>728757565WRONG
>>728757565You know what the sad part is? I don't think the newer games really look all that good. I mean there's a lot of detail, it's all super higher res, and it's got a lot of polygons. But there's always something about everything that looks... off. Maybe it's some uncanny valley shit I don't know but it doesn't look right a lot of the time. It also doesn't help that it feels like action figures standing in a big space sometimes. There's a lot of negative space for the camera to rotate around in and it all just kind of looks very MMORPGish.
>>728757618That game has very substantial differences
>>728757618RE1 is a short game. Would doing the same thing to a Final Fantasy game be feasible?
>>728757919If you're not retarded I don't see why it can't be. You might have to scale back a bit from the asinine shit going on with FF7 but with some proper planning and a good development head it should be possible. On paper anyways.
>>728757905Are the differences on-par with 7 vs 7Remake? Or is it basically the same game
>>728757769>It also doesn't help that it feels like action figures standing in a big space sometimes. There's a lot of negative space for the camera to rotate around in and it all just kind of looks very MMORPGish.i hated this about 16
>>728757769NTA but all the characters have the same face.
>>728757990Not to that extreme, no, but it's far from being the same game. Beyond the whole expected remixing, there's huge new sections, puzzles and a boss plot line.
>>728746232He should have beat you to death
>>728747767>They would see that true beauty in videogames are in the aesthetics of play>To prove this he posts a screenshot instead of a webmThe only normalfag retard here is (You).
>>728748992Why are troons so dishonest and disingenuous?
>>728737358nigga, i said FF DIED to mei haven't played any FFs past Xsqueenix became the shin-ra
>>728733930>People don't want Final Fantasy to be some AAA junk.that's why none of you retards bought fantasian right?>>728734167>SE execs were confused when people loved Octopath Travellers.that's why 0 just flopped right?
>>728732861That's OK, everyone here but you and I are homosexuals.
>>728756962A remake of 1&2 with the 3 or 4 artstyle would blow my fucking balls off, but they'll never do it. I don't know if they even have anyone talented enough left to replicate that kind of high quality spritework.
Having read this statment, can anyone argue that FF6 isn't the greatest FF? It wasn't made in 3D because it's literally bursting with content, it would be impossible.
>>728758852It was certainly perhaps the Crowning Achievement of what they could have done on the platform. Really squeeze out every ounce they could in the cart in ways even it's successors couldn't. It's honestly funny how they could do so much more with so less because programming entire areas and events didn't eat up nearly as much space.
>>728733176>capitalismNo. You redditor filth. It's not capitalism.
This doesn't apply to just square but I put a lot of blame on voice acting in general. When every statement needs to be recorded by real people it limits what you can do because all that space has to go to voice audio. More over it limits how many variables and options you can actually put in because the more you do the more you need to record and pay for. Voice acting sucks.
When you figure out the beastiary you probably won't ever need to visit a INN as you can sap the monsters off their MP. A lot of the monsters are also made up of 'magic', can be drained of their MP and killed. When you know which monsters AND Bosses are these the game becomes easy. The floating islands difficulty is jeopardized thanks to this knowledge.
>>728759018It's the kind of game where they finished the game and then were like "you know what? Let's put another game on top of this". That shit rarely happens.
FF7 remake's pacing is so fucked compared to the original, I can't believe they wasted a whole game on Midgar.
>>728734513Squaresoft was just on another level at that point in time when it came to low fidelity graphics.There was nobody in the west capable of good 3D graphics.They were also taking classes on proper cinematic aesthetics so that lighting, camera angles, and what-not could make up for what the PS1 lacked in sheer horsepower. Just look at what they did with Xenogears in terms of presentation.The west is running into the same issue, but in the opposite direction. They've got all the best in terms of graphical hardware and 3D modeling capabilities, but the people in charge of artistic direction are rank amateurs who will never progress because of toxic positivity.
>>728759334I wouldn't mind if it was at all meaningful but it really just feels like bloat.
>>7287388974, 7, 8 are top tier
>>728760051>8fuck off
>>728732861He would be rightfully deleted off /vr/ for this doomer shitposting
I really just want games to be games again and not high budget block busters. All this bloat and excess is pointless. I will NEVER replay FFVII rebirth. Ever. And I beat the original at least a dozen times.
>>728732739>growing in size and dev teamsIf you'll take a closer look at credits of most games you'll see that the number of actual devs has barely changed over time, it just studios became bloated with people who have nothing to do with game development like community managers, marketers etc.
>dev times are so out of control that games announced as release titles for one console are now launching as EoL titles for the next consoleThis shit ain't sustainable.
>>728732739the problem was up until the PS4 if we're being generous, final fantasy was always a premium gaming experience, the problem they have now is everyone else caught up
>>728732739I spent the last hour emulating soul Calibur 3 on PS2 and man we really didn't need more. I think PS2 was the sweet spot, look at how pretty the mgs and gran Turismo games were. I never needed much more than that.
>>728732739yes, casuals ruined gaming.
>>728754483>Really if you didn't grow up with it the graphics will probably filter you. That's it.I did grow up with it. Honestly IMO Mystic Quest is a better game
>>728758631>that's why 0 just flopped right?It didn't, it just undersold 2 by a little which is fine considering it's a budget adaptation of a mobile game>>728733930>People don't want Final Fantasy to be some AAA junk.But they do. Just look at the discourse surrounding E33 and how people call it "what Final Fantasy should've been".
>>728761272Modern gaming sucks man. Overbloated AAA games are taking up so much time and manpower that publishers have to keep shitting out demakes of old IPs to fill the void that used to be occupied by modest AA projects.
If I were CEO of big game corporation, I'd propose having 20 pods developing 20 games, each pod has a dozen employees and they're all developing their own game independently of each other. Most of the game will probably be bullshit, but we'd just need one or two hits to make up for the losses of the other pods.
>>728762770I honestly don't get how game developers survive. It costs HUNDREDS of millions of dollars to make a game and you put out one flag ship title a decade? That doesn't add up. I don't care how well it sells. This has to be some yakuza shit.
>>728732739100% agreedThis is a big part of why Gen 6 was the goat, and why PS2 with its insane library the goat system. GTA is a great example of this phenomenon - we had GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas all release within a 3 year span. Insane by today's standards, but back then that was considered normal, to expect great games within a series to be released on somewhat of an annual basis. It's now been over 12 years since GTA V, for perspective. Gen 6 was the perfect balance between games that didn't require astronomical budgets and development time, but weren't untested cash grab NES-era garbage. Games didn't take themselves super seriously and were the better for it. Nowadays everything has to be bigger and more epic and they have to keep upping the stakes, which just results in increasingly longer development times and inevitable failure to meet expectations.
>>728763323I am very sick of every major game needing to be some introspective, hyper emotional, tour de force from a stuck up auteur. Games can be all those while still being good, and fun, and just games as games. God the treatment of Hi Fi Rush was tragic for the industry.
>>728734513Vagrant Story is like a look into a lost future. Imagine all the creative and experimental budget games like it that could have been developed in reasonable dev cycles at sustainable budgets while looking perfectly beautiful to anyone with a semblance of taste.>>728739753Indie games will never replace AA games and you know it. Its a shitty all-or-nothing market where you either flop and bleed money for your passion project or make the next indie darling-derivative-faux-retro-subversive-fandom game, it doesnt foster creativity any more than the AAA market except it pushes out less live-service multiplayer slop.
>>728732739>inb4 someone from south america remakes FF6 in UE5 for free in 2-4 months on his PC cobbled together with 5+ yo parts
AI is literally made for this.
>>728763445Honestly I think another crash would really do us all well. Just imagine the whole thing dies for like half a decade. No new games till someone reinvents the market.
>>728732739>We can't go back to the sweet spotYeah, indies are trying, but it NEVER works.
>>728763731The problem is that big devs have too much of a stranglehold on the industry, buy the reviews and anyone else can't compete for even the slightest bit of a market share.
>>728763653I think its too late for that because the current mess is the natural result of publicly traded companies gambling for infinite growth to please shareholders. Unless we crash and game studios that crop up after the apocalypse collectively decide to stay private, the same mistakes will only be repeated. A socialist revolution sounds more likely than that.
>>728756885>Now we can't even get more than a single FF per console generation.Already got 16 and Rebirth anon. And the third ff7 remake will release this gen.
>>728764958And maybe we'll see a hint of a teaser of 17 at the next game awards
I just miss when games were small enough for artists to be able to have direct control of the visuals, ever since engines took over full control games have looked like shit
>>728732739I didnt play ff6 but when i see a picture of it its always this one. Are the 3 walking robots really that much of a representation of the game?
>>728732739Expedition33 didn't take 20 years to make. And it was made by 30 amateurs. SE could absolutely make a modern FF game, faster and better than Sandfall could. For some reason, SE has just convinced themselves that they can't or shouldn't. If Sakaguchi was still an SE executive, they would have made amazing games and they wouldn't take decades to do it.
>>728767396>still mixing up remedy and rockstar
>>728732739TRVKE
>>728768576>Expedition33 didn't take 20 years to makeYeah, it took 6, here's what Square used to release in the span of six years>Final Fantasy VI>Live A Live>Chrono Trigger>Trials of Mana>Secret of Evermore>Romancing SaGa 3>Dynami Tracer>Koi wa Balance>Radical Dreamers: Nusumenai Hōseki>Bahamut Lagoon>Treasure Conflix>Super Mario RPG>Treasure of the Rudras>Final Fantasy VII>Final Fantasy Tactics>SaGa Frontier>Einhänder>Front Mission Alternative>Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon>Xenogears>Parasite Eve>Brave Fencer Musashi>Another Mind>Chocobo's Dungeon 2>Final Fantasy VIII>Chocobo World (included with Final Fantasy VIII)>Chocobo Racing>SaGa Frontier 2>Go Go Digger (included with SaGa Frontier 2)>Racing Lagoon>Legend of Mana>Ring Ring Land (included with Legend of Mana)>Front Mission 3>Final Fantasy Anthology>Threads of Fate>Chrono Cross>Parasite Eve II>Chocobo Collection>Final Fantasy VIII>Vagrant Story>All Star Pro-Wrestling>Final Fantasy IX>Gekikuukan Pro Baseball: At the End of the Century 1999>Hataraku Chocobo
>>728768015It's the most iconic scene in the game (also the first)
FF6 should be remade to look and play like FF9
>>728757769they lack path tracing that is the missing link that also murders your framesboot up cyberpunk and the difference between pt on and off is stark
>>728768963>we can never go back
>>728732739this is why we need AI. also square went to shit when sakaguchi left and the way you advance in japanese corporations is pretty stupid, their hierarchy system doesn't allow for those most talented and capable to shine instead they are relegated into salt mines to forever make slop assets some talentless hack on top which thought it would generate most money. this is why we have time jannies in ff7r and multiple timelines.
>>728774736>this is why we need AI.Fuck off slopper
>>728774794eat dick decel
>>728732739Just remake it with the octopatch style.SE is really retarded and deserves to go out of business.Hope somebody will buy the good IPs and handle them better.
>>728775023>>Just remake it with the octopatch style.No thanks
>>728732739I'm never falling for retards screeching "bring back the old gameplay" again when it comes to criticism of modern FF. The ATB system from 1-9 is the single most dogshit piece of garbage I've ever forced myself through. You subhumans are genuinely terminally retarded and shouldn't procreate if you're trying to tell me this slop is better than the Remake, XVI or any other modern FF gameplay implementations.
>>728759352Iirc Xenogears was the first Square game to have anime cutscenes, voice acting and full rotatable map
>xenogearsi mean, you can put a lot more effort into the first third of a game if you don't bother with finishing the rest of it
>>728775992Disc 2 is 1/5 of the game tho
Old games are bad because art = realism. If something doesn't look like real life it's literally pointless to play. The problem with modern games is that they are in an awkward space between pretending to look real and actually looking real. Once graphics improve to have simulated physics on individual hairs underneath clothing you'll notice huge improvements in gameplay as the realism/unrealism gap closes. Games will also get faster too, like speed wise, so it will feel like a genuine reward when you can stop and check out the cellular details when you aren't dashing with lifelike motion blur, head bob & bloom.
>>728776650Joke post but still made me mad because they really do think like this
>>728756885Same thing happened with movies. They used to take risks cause the DVD sales could save it but this is no longer no case.
>>728732739Agreed. This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but AI could help fiz this. Once the AI bubble has burst, everybody who jumped on thr bandwagon far too early crashes the economy, it recovers, and people finally work out what and where AI should actually be put to use with precision rather than just dumping quadrillions into LLMs and AGIs (lol) it will genuinely be a useful tool to help indie devs compete with the AAA slop.
>>728734113>Even if it were 2D or low-poly, FFXVI would probably still be a "we don't use the term JRPG" mess with magic kaiju fights.At least then it would only take a year to make so if the gamble on a different direction didn't pay off it's not a disaster, just "oh, ok, we'll try something different with the next one."
>>728734113Not necessarily, that mindset was born out of the market gained by increasing game scope
>>728733176for music i would have thought because it has been so thoroughly fucked with all the option to listen to music for free that the artists and label companies just try to make money off of tours
>>728781658the internet ruined music, video games, film and society in general
>>728732739unpopular opinion but I would really like a HD 2D remake of FF6 with all the bug fixes
>Final Fantasy X's development began in 1999 with a crew of over 100 people and the game released in 2001>3 years to create and release a brand new game on a new console, going from 2D to 3D backgrounds>only 4 years apart from FFVIICompetency crisis is real. Stop outsourcing to India.
>>728732739competency crisis
>>728784438>I would really like a HD 2D remake of FF6 with all the bug fixesThey did buddy :)https://store.steampowered.com/app/1173820/FINAL_FANTASY_VI/
>>728785428The pixel remasters look so bad and it really chaffs me when people call them "definitive"
>>728784612And this was while working on 9 and a bunch of other shit at the same time.
>>728732739The sweet spot was around the DS/3DS/PSP era because low end gaming was a thing and there was a budget niche for it. Now in the HD era everything has to be massive budget projectsSquare-Enix either makes games with massive budget cuts or insanely high budgeted games only, game freak STILL tries to make HD games on a 3DS budget, with all the consequences we are familiar with.we really don't need a "remake on par with FF7's"Even just a remake with the same scope as Trials of Mana would be enough, even HD2D.We truly lost something when portable gaming died in favor of mobile gaming
>>728736135Record labels are actually charging archaic taxes to artists, like cuts for vynil/cd/dvd production (disk, case, and printed content) costs even when the artist only produces digital media.Nothing but greed from record labels.
>>728734167Remember when they genuinely thought this was good?
>>728732739>says KitaseLove when this parasite openly admits to being a lazy hasbeen.First thing 3D Investment Partners needs to do when they take over is kick this worthless sack of shit to the curb and hire someone who gives a fuck about doing their job.
>>728786409Yeah the mobile ports were much better. The original pixel artist (Kazuko Shibuya) is really overrated I don't even know why they got her back for the pixel remaster, should've went with the mobile port chad(s) instead.>>728788089That looks fantastic. Just more proof the pixel remasters weren't needed.
>>728788584How can you even look at this difference and consider it an improvement?
>>728788497Square-Enix is a sham. This guy made failure after failure and he is still recognized as one of their golden boys. He will ride that FFVII pony for as long as his career lasts and keep taking the money whilst delaying the inevitable that his buffoonery gets completely exposed. He's a fucking joke of a game dev.
Final Fantasy has been pushing graphical limits since FF8. Hell, FF10 still looks pretty fucking good today.You can argue whether this is a good thing or a bad thing but it's clearly something Square has taken pride in for a long time at this point and isn't likely to change. They feel like they have to make every game look like Advent Children now.
>>728788732While there are things I like about VIII, it was a disaster of a game and highlights that he was not a replacement for Sakaguchi yet he became one and burned the company to the ground, unquestioned.
>>728732739Imagine Zelda games took even longer to come out because they were doing realistic instead of celshading.It's a shame the expectation with FF mainline is the "super anime realistic" style. Something like this would be comfier and fit better.
>>728789349There's something about the art style of FFVIIrs that really me. It's both too realistic and too anime at the same time. And it just looks weird. I don't like it.
>>728789737yeah, old good new bad we get it
>>728768963rose tinted glasses, gaming has never been bettergamers ate good like never before this year, I had a blast with all the future classics that released
>>728790670yes
>>728732739>20 years>To remaster a 30 hour gamejapan needs the 3rd nuke soon
>>728732739That's fucking bullshit. They said the same thing about 7 and the only thing that it's taking them so long is that they try to turn every major release into a fucking compilation/fabula crystallisPeople just want a remake, sure expanding some stuff would be neat but just focus on making ONE game first.You can expand it later on, holy shitThe entire FF brand is just carried by games that weren't even made by SE.The SE FF committee is fucking retarded and hasn't done a single good thing>>728758631>that's why none of you retards bought fantasian right?Again, it was because of retarded monetization.>Developed for fucking Apple devices>split into two parts>finally released on other platforms>nobody knows it existedSE just wanted to prove themselves right that nobody likes the original FF or turnbased RPGs because they're a bunch of morons
>>728792075They forced it to be episodic and now are stuck trying to make each episode stand alone content wise but still not finishing the actual story. It's basically just a huge budget Trails of game at this point.
>>728788013>The sweet spot was around the DS/3DS/PSP era because low end gaming was a thing and there was a budget niche for it. Now in the HD era everything has to be massive budget projectsThat was true back then, yes. But it's 20 years later, technology advanced.HD development is nothing new anymore
>>728789349WoFF went full chibi and was very charming
>>728792215>They forced it to be episodic and now are stuck trying to make each episode stand alone content wise but still not finishing the actual storyhm this sounds familiar
I'm honestly surprised that they didn't get more remakes out during the DS era. Honestly I'd have really love to see V get the III treatment
>>728732739Feels bad manAnd now whenever you watch one of these big gay "game" shows/events it's like 80% about celebrities/movies/mobileshit and most of the games they do show are just hyperrealistic derivative movie game garbage
>>728793780It's become oscar bait
Funny how you aren't allowed to make a AAA game these days if you don't fill it to the brim with unnecessary shit no one likes or wants
>>728745676>games are objectively much, much, MUCH better now than they were 20 years agoMotion capture and physically-based rendering aren't things that make games "better".
>>728732739NonsenseJust do what Nintendo did with Super Mario RPG, but put it on steam.
It's actually funny how a game one dude can make in his bedroom like Stardew Valley can make more money than a AAAA remake trilogy of one of the best selling critically acclaimed classics in game history, that will end up costing 2/3 of a BILLION
>>728759168>real capitalism has never been tried before, this isn't capitalism
