APOLOGISE
from ESG trannified DEI blizzard?dead on arrival
Blizzard still owes me an apology for gaying up every game of theirs I wasted my life on.
>>728747980are po2 and diablo 4 really that bad? at this point the only decent arpgs left are grim dawn and torchlight 2. maybe tq2 if it wasn't in early access
>>728748129d4 is winning atm by a country milepoe2 is too slow
It's not even a bad game. I don't know what the fuck people have even been complaining about for 2 years now.
>Make a POE2 thread>>728744882>0 replies>game apparently has 1.6 million people playing right now
>>728748017which streamer did you get this opinion off?
>>728748129>are po2 and diablo 4 really that bad?I don't really see how the genre needs more games than this. If you want fast combat with good story, Diablo.Slow combat with endgame, Exile.It's like playing an MMO that isn't FFXIV or WoW.
>>728748129Every 3 months poe2 forces you to play through the same 40 hour long story that is boring as fuck because the areas are giant for absolutely no fucking reason.
>>728748463Don't worry about the areas, where is the story in this campaign?
>>728748129Im playing D4 right now and I need this essence (seasonal power) to be rank 5/5 so I can continue to play the game. To get it to 5/5 I have to kill this boss that that gives 5 points a kill and spawns every sixty seconds and this is the only way to go about doing it.
>>728747980>barb still dogshit unless you have a giga endgame buildFeelsbad that paladin is basically just a straight up better version of barb right now.
I think the expansion reveal came across really well.Skovos looks bright and reminds of Elder Scroll's beach levels, Paladin is just one of those classes, seasonal changes get progressively better, endgame planning looks interesting.They say most ongoing/online games really take 2 years to settle in before becoming something good, and that feels about right here too.
>>728749368last expansion reveal came across real well too, hundreds of thousands paid 100$ for it and it gave us>a class nobody asked for>a 25% increase in map size with zero new content>a stat squish that bricked 90% of all uniques that are still bricked to this dayIt was a literal fucking scam
>>728747980I'm sorry your game stutters nonstop
>>728749870Well maybe this one's a scam too, I dunno. Maybe Blizzard is run by closet satanists.
>>728750187What the fuck do they do all day?
>>728747980You're only an option because PoE2 killed itself.
>>728747980Grim Dawn(see: Ambien) is a better game than Diablo 4
>>728747980What supposed competitor looty slop failed that's supposed to make the primo looty slop game "good"
>>728747980No, Blizzard should apologize for making a game that feels the most like a pointless treadmill as possible...while also still demanding additional purchases for this shit. What make these games fun are those moments you find a particularly powerful piece of gear that lets you skyrocket in effectiveness before the game levels off again to meet your new spike. D4 is determined to ensure you never get that feeling as the mobs level with you and you will always be just on par if your constantly replacing gear. If you dare get attached to anything then it starts to punish you for being below par. It's fucking awful how the same company that codified the genre now doesn't understand what makes it interesting.
>>728750829>feels the most like a pointless treadmill as possible...whileThat's every arpg.
>>728750875Endgame in D2 definitely was a pointless treadmill Farm for retardedly rare runes so you can farm the same shit more efficiently.
When are they gonna say fuck it and make warcraft/StarCraft Diablo? Do people even still give a shit about diablo's gay lore at this point?
>>728750829>What make these games fun are those moments you find a particularly powerful piece of gear that lets you skyrocket in effectiveness before the game levels off again to meet your new spikeThis approach invalidates enemy, combat, skill and build design.
>>728751014Pff, runes. I found 45 life soso light skiller.
>>728747980>grind mobs to get gear so you can grind more mobs to get gear so you can grind... These games all suck, Blizzard should make a proper ARPG like Elden Ring set in the Diablo universe.
Every time i play these games i choose talents that synergize damage output for skills i frequently use, then despite mashing my abilities furiously do little damage.See some other player lower level than me doing thrice or four times as much DPS ruins it. In Diablo 3 i went Wizard and Demon hunters were demolishing by comparison, farmed some "Blood shards" at max level which you'd gamble on potential upgrades then quit when my bro did The only thing i liked was the galaxy wings animation but that cosmetic was gatekept hard
>>728751460Most likely bait, but you know that if Blizzard made some Elden Ring of their own they would go out of their way to make it about the grind more than anything else, because the biggest problem of all is really just Blizzard and the gambling addict players.
My main criticism of D4 is Blizzard has also fallen into the trap of needing to make builds complicated if they want to scale. Good example is earthquake on barbarian. You cannot take a regular WW build and have it scale well, even into T4. You have to go through all these extra hoops like attaching Earthquake to the skill for it to do anything later on.
>>728751460>ARPGlike Elden Ring set in the Diablo universeThis is unironically a great idea and the kind of thing that actually moves the ARPG genre forward from trying to remake Diablo 2 for the nth time
>>728752028D4 actually started development as a third person action adventure game with soulslike gameplay, they were actually going to attempt pushing this genre forward but of course they pussied out. They don't have the talent to make anything other than slop.
>>728747980After seeing what POE2 offers, I feel we were a little too harsh on D4.. Much too hard.That said, I'm still playing neither.
>>728752248nah D4 on launch was pretty shit. These days through its probably the best overall ARPG right now.
>>728752248>After seeing what POE2 offers, I feel we were a little too harsh on D4explain how poe2 disappointed you
>>728747980Yes, Blizzard should be made to apologize.
>>728748610Is Necro still slow as fucking balls with shit damage?
>>728747980I KNEEL MOMMY
>>728751460>>728752171>>728752028It's too hard to consolidate large enemy counts, third person action combat and Diablo staples to keep everyone happy.If combat is too fast it's Darksiders. If it's too slow it's Dark Souls.If Diablo had been the one to initially make Demons Souls all those years back, Diablo Souls, then maybe it would have worked better due to their being no comparisons at the time.
>>728752375nta but most people dislike PoE's very slow gameplay. It feels like its trying to blend Soulslike and an ARPG into one. They're trying to force this 'combo' system in the genre and its just not fun. On top of that, the release of content is just really, really slow. The game is still missing a good portion of weapons (axes, swords, etc...) along with a good portion of classes from PoE 1. GGG is not a small company anymore and it should not be taking this long to implement these kind of features. Maps are also too large and maze-like, and the campaign is a slog to play through.
>>728751460this was the original plan for d4 before they scrapped it
>>728752549necro is probably the class most in need of some kind of rework. They're almost always the worst class in the game.
>you have a literal ancient demon disappointed that you became a fucking failure How does that even happen? I'm on levels of failure it transcends existence and captures old demons and gods. Go damn dude.
>>728752658>nta but most people dislike PoE's very slow gameplay. It feels like its trying to blend Soulslike and an ARPG into onei got to level 50 in about 6 hours
>>728752609Bullshit, just make Nioh but western. And you don't need hordes of enemies to mow down, that only makes the combat feel like a shitty lawnmower game like the musou genre. Instead you want less enemies that actually fight back.
>>728752658I feel like half the problems in POE2 are because they just won't let go of Diablo II.The level sizes, the equipment management, the "use these two skills", the scrolls.was Diablo II even that good? Sort of, but it wasn't like the foundation of a Link to the Past or a Mario Bros or something.
>>728752658poe2 is only slow until you have a halfway build around act 4endgame is a lot faster paced unless you deliberately chose slow builds like warrior or bear druid
>>728747980I prefer diablo immortal
>>728752830>was Diablo II even that good? Sort of, but it wasn't like the foundation of a Link to the Past or a Mario Bros or somethingit was, by every metric it is the foundation, you might not like it but it just means the genre might not be for you
>>728752827The problem is skills. How do you translate 6+ useable skills to third person action combat?The combat of these games is enemy count management, where you're trying to figure out how to best manage groupings of enemies, sort of like an RTS.But with modern third person character action combat, enemy animations are more varied, and so the core gameplay concept centers around reading enemy animation tells and dodging/parrying.
>>728751460Good bait. Actually somewhat subtle.
>>728753069>How do you translate 6+ useable skills to third person action combat?this is a skill issue on your part bud, a lot of action combat rpg's have 6+ skills
>>728752954But don't you have a background in League of Legends and liking Diablo 3's story tone?
>>728752861>slow builds like warrior or bear druidthe thing is though historically warrior in other arpgs is anything but slow. WW barb is arguably the most well known ARPG build of all time and its not even in PoE2. I don't even know how its possible to fuck up that much. Rumor is it will never come to PoE 2 because GGG absolutely hated cyclone for some reason in PoE 1.
>>728752783Yeah, uh, Lilith herself isnt too happy with me. Join the fucking club right?
>>728752171>pushing the genre forward means homogenizing all games into the same fucking slopI love Souls games, but just fucking stop with this.
>>728753069Souls games have more than 6 skills if you count the contextual attacks and more than 20 if you count the spells, I don't see the issue.
>>728753205well swords/axe and sword/axe related skills aren't out yet so we'll seeI will be surprised though if cyclone doesn't make it in
>>728752658I said this in the other thread, but PoE2 is a game that hates itself. It wants to be le epic Elden Ring yet HATES the ARPG aspects such as mass mob killing, fast gameplay, 1-2 skill spam, and end game loot grind. And yet, for whatever reason, it refuses to drop any of these aspects so what you get is a soul, clunky, janky ER-in-ARPG form that meshes the worst of both worlds. Shills call it the evolution of the genre. I call it schizophrenic game design.
>>728753145Not combos and not projectiles, core skills that are related to movement and area of effect.Maybe Dragon Age Vielguard.
>>728753205>the thing is though historically warrior in other arpgs is anything but slowwarrior in diablo 1 was slowbarbarian in diablo 2 was slow until endgamedestroyer in torchlight 1 was slowengineer in torchlight 2 was slowguardian templar in hellgate:london was slowi can keep going on, there's a lot to contradict you here
>>728753416Warrior is already in the game Anon. And it feels like shit to play.
>>728753145>hyopthetical dark souls clone>already telling people to gitgud
>>728753493slow slamming mace skills are in the game, yesduelist and axes/swords are notdaggers and shadow class is also yet to be added
>>728753452>Not combos and not projectilesblack desert online, blade & souli get you came to this conclusion without thinking about how many 3rd person games it actually encompasses, but you should probably reevaluate your complaints
>>728747980Alright, I'm sorry your game got another sequel. Won't happen again, I swear.
>>728753583i wasn't saying to gitgud, i was saying that 6+ skills might be too complicated for that anon personally because there are plenty of 3rd person action combat games with 6+ skills
>>728747980Why does every Diablo-like now have a garbage endgame where you just turn into a whirlwind of chaos and do trillions of damages a second to everything on the screen?
>>728753645Again, warrior is already in the game.
>>728753452In Elden Ring you can have up to 12 spells equipped and a weapon skill (6 weapon skills if you count soft-swapping, all the skills in the game if you count hard-swapping) That's waaaaaaay more than Diablo.
>>728753296I think we want to THINK it's that broad, but the reality is you're in situations where you're>rolling/guarding>ranged vs meleeThe tension in the game from enemy hits doesn't allow for anything more, but the gaming gestalt has shifted away from character action health bars.It's doable to make Diablo 3D, but it's difficult.
>>728753798blame diablo 3
>>728748129ENTER
>>728753798Never played Diablo 2 huh?
>>728753882>It's doable to make Diablo 3D, but it's difficult.you work at blizzard don't you, you are a fucking shitty ass developer bud, dark messiah came out almost 20 years ago, demon souls came out over 15 years agofigure it out bud
>>728753970>overwhelmingly negative reviewsSad to see, Last Epoch had potential but they were too slow to release content and eventually sold out to chinkland
>>728753798Because that's what became popular through Diablo 3, Warframe and Path of Exile 1.It became streamer background noise, like those mobile games where you run on the train tracks.
>>728754051>yeah this issue is real easy>what's the solution>lol figure it out bud
>>728753882And what do you do in Diablo? You mash AoE abilities when they're off cooldown and press an instant potion whenever you're low. You could make the most barebones soulslike game imaginable and it would still be more complex than the combat of Diablo 4.
>>728747980real uptick of diablo 4 posting atm. unrelated to the timeslot d4 bought at the game awards im sure. totally organic
>>728754126you've had almost 2 decades of successful melee combat games to base it off of, figure it the fuck out
>>728754270>Game gets big new season patch>WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT?Paladin is fun. Try it out.
>>728754331+1 izzat
>>728754175That's incorrect, Souls is the tension of the engagements. 3 enemies is meant to put you on edge and figure out spacing.Diablo 4's spacing comes from your skills so have you have to design large enemy hordes and skills that visually and mechaniclly work with a closer camera.You can't just throw lighting bolts at people, it's really difficult to make.There's a reason why that other Anon said Blizzard was doing this originally and probably scrapped it.
>>728754331>purchase game and expansion plus next expansion for dogshit gameNo thanks
>>728753984Diablo 2 was nothing like that and is the very reason I brought that up. Diablo 2 had a more steady progression in damage and it didn't involve a bunch of retarded multipliers and loopholes that suddenly increase the damage of a skill by 50x. Melee builds only hit 1 monster at a time and spells had reasonable cast rates.
>>728754329That's wrong, if that was the case then we wouldn't have this discussion right now with D4 and POE2.
>>728754390>You can't just throw lighting bolts at people, it's really difficult to make.dark messiah did it 20 years ago, figure it the fuck out
>>728754447>you've had almost 2 decades of successful melee combat games to base it off of>That's wrong, if that was the case then we wouldn't have this discussion right nowit means blizzard is shit and you are a shitty dev who deserves to be sent back to the fryers
>>728754468>dark messiah, the thief x morrowind game is the one to copy
>>728748335You're mom's stream of piss
give me a legit good point in favor of diablo 4 and a bad one. please try to leave the shitposting on the side. i tried the game once in a free weekend and it seems fun. im thinking on buying it if they put it on sale tomorrow.
>>728754570>dark messiah, the thief x morrowind game is the one to copyit had good melee combat with spells 20 fuck years ago, blizzard has zero excuse why they couldn't figure out a diablo 3d, anyone that says it's "too hard" eats shit and smokes cock
>>728752954He even actually shows up, if only briefly.
>>728754542We have POE2 right now right? Everyone are still coming to terms with ARPG combat with a Souls roll.>But we've had thisIt doesn't matter if it's Bayonetta or Sudeki, it's not the same. No one has figured it out yet. ARPGs split into two lanes with Dark Souls, the design considerations changed.
>no witchdoctorno thanks. spiritborn is not the same.
>>728754331They're going overboard with the expansions, it should have been 1 big expansion like Diablo 2 and 3, and at this rate we're going to get like 3-5. I didn't want to buy the last one because all it did was add a class I didn't care about and whatever the fuck else weird mobile game-like bonuses they added, and now there's already another.
>>728754270paladin is popular and PoE 2 is a turbo flop. Not a big surprise that D4 is popular right now, especially at that time of year when people just want to stay inside and play a grinder game.
>>728754782Female Witch Doctor was hot as fuck.
>>728754658Legitimate answer, Diablo IV is a casual game for boomers.If you're in university and you love grinding out endgames for 300 hours and sitting on forums and researching builds while the professor is talking, Diablo IV isn't for you.But if you're someone that's like, "Witcher 3 has shit gameplay and I don't have time for 120 hour games and I'm sick of /v/" while your wife is nagging you, Diablo IV is for you.It's a solid single player RPG with a cute endgame grind.
>>728748403>If you want fast combat with good story, Diablo.Maybe diablo 1 and its only just cool2's does what it does. 3 is legit bottom of the barrel for storytelling. 4's story exists.
>>728754678They DID make Diablo 3d, it's called Demon Souls.The problem is that Isometric-ARPGs continued on, so now in order for players not to be assblasted about one series copying another and keeping "to its roots", you have to consolidate the design of Demons Souls and Diablo IV.That's the issue. Because if it wasn't, we'd all just go play Elden Ring.
>>728754658>give me a legit good point in favor of diablo 4 and a bad oneit's okay for atleast 1 or 2 playthroughs. you might regret it if you don't buy it on salei can't list only 1 negative thing about diablo 4, it's a fundamentally bad game- paid entry, paid expansions, paid DLC, paid battlepass- open world sucks and was mostly abandoned- setting good, story sucks- boss fights suck- brown, gray and blurry- many game mechanics abandoned due to not being fun, optimized out of the game- maps not random and still has boring map design- itemization feels bad despite constant changes to make it better- devs coded the game wrong, affecting many systems in the game fundamentally- you will get bored of the game because no one else wants to play it with you- game wasn't designed well for multiplayer
>>728754418>Diablo 2 was nothing like thatMid-end game diablo 2 is literally running around spamming your AoE ability to kill a billion mobs on screen a second unless you play a gimped class like Barb, which took until end game to do the same thing.
>Faggots praise this slop but shit on Diablo 3 the objectively best game of the ARPG genre next to D2 Diablo 4 is proof that the D3 haters were faggots who never touched it after RoS launched or have touched it ever in their lives.
>>728753290I don't mean a straight souls game but take the third person camera + dodge rolling and maintain the loot/talents/skills of Diablo. Might end up feeling like a musou almost when your build is juiced
>>728754814You can play the expansion stories without buying the DLC. The only thing you miss out on are stuff like runewords and new mechanics, but considering /v/ and most players don't stick around for end game it doesn't actually matter.
>>728752830>>728753068The entire genre has been held in the thrall of Diablo 2 for two decades and it has made arpg's into a dead end of game design as a result Just play d2 if you want d2, stop trying to remake it over and over
>>728754746>No one has figured it out yethellgate:london figured it out almost 20 years ago, destiny also figured this out over a decade ago, smite figured this out almost 15 years agoyou list zero qualifications for what "figuring it out" even means, you are just listing what YOU personally don't understand, dislike and have issues with
I’ve played a lot of RPGs, and I feel like Diablo 4 is the first game where I actively swap out skills and respec the character every few hours. I think the design of 4 lends itself away from wikis, which is what every player wants to rush to. Even with choosing a class, the majority of players will spend hours in other game dreading build guides just to prep and not make bad decisions.
The entire time playing Diablo I was thinking why can't we join Lilith? She doesn't seem that bad and she's helping humanity as a whole.
>>728748129Diablo iv is fun if a bit too easy and not much to do. Basically once you’re geared it’s just pit push or messing around with other classes. The cosmetic prices are fucking stupid though. They’re all $25, they should be $10
>>728754658>Pros-Good visual fidelity. I was impressed how much easier it is to actually SEE compared to PoE2.-Story and presentation are great. Minimal DEI. PoE2's story is a complete flop and an excuse to get you to mapping.-Easy and fun. You can beat normal-hard-hell without looking up any builds. In PoE2 you're fucked if you don't play one of the GGG approved dev builds.>Cons-Shallow as a puddle. Each class only has 2-3 meta builds and they don't play all that differently. -FOMO season battle passes suck. I will never support this.-Open world, while gorgeous, is pointless. Your end game is spent running the equivalent of maps anyways.
>>728754851>paladin is popular and PoE 2 is a turbo floplol, lmao, now cope about drops
>>728755520You can’t understand the game without seeing the animations and feeling the tactile feedback in combat. Having said that, if Blizzard made a cute third person camera mode in Diablo iv to get the idea in people’s heads, that’s a way to start working out the kinks.
>>728755069>They DID make Diablo 3d, it's called Demon Soulsblizzard north did not make that, they made hellgate:londonyour interpretation is wrong
>>728755370>The entire genre has been held in the thrall of Diablo 2 for two decades and it has made arpg's into a dead end of game design as a resultyou don't get to make that determination, the people that buy and play ARPG's do
Either PoE or Diablo, I don't care, I like ARPGs but the isometric camera sucks, please add a third person mode and I'll buy your game
>>728755716>Twitch viewsYou should use steam charts instead, because GGG was caught paying people to advertise and stream the game. Most of them ended up dropping the game after act 2 lmao. Blizzard didn't bother with that.
>>728755607Lilith’s idea is the same as the player’s, one of violence, but the difference is what each would prop up. Lil’s plan is supplanting the current way with her way of old, whereas the players Vicente leaves a void that only the populace can fill, no messianic figure to lead them. That’s the whole narrative of Diablo 4: “what is man when the gods fail”Thanks ChatGPT!
>>728755740>if Blizzard made a cute third person camera mode in Diablo iv to get the idea in people’s heads, that’s a way to start working out the kinks.you are a retarded developer, dota 2 did that already, it doesn't work because a game has to be designed around the perspective to begin with, GTAV had to have a shit ton of dev time to adjust the base game for first person mode
>>728747980Oh wow they added another guy that will sprint and spam abilities, I'm SHOCKED!
>>728755874>Blizzard didn't bother with that.because no one plays Diablo 4 and they've had to fire most of their advertising team
>>728755874>Blizzard didn't bother with that.
>>728755965Wow who would have thought that changing the camera is such a big design consideration for these billion dollar gamesLmao it’s so easy though blizzard just make the game
>>728756034Okay Jonathon.
>>728755874>because GGG was caught paying people to advertise and stream the gameGGG has the money to advertise POE2 when Blizzard doesn't.Diablo 4 is on life support.
>>728756034D4 has some of the worst advertising I have ever seen. Did they fire their entire ad team one week before putting out the actually competent Lord of Hatred stuff?
>>728756115>Wow who would have thought that changing the camera is such a big design consideration for these billion dollar games>Lmao it’s so easy though blizzard just make the gamestop typing, you were the one who came up with that retarded ideayou have no good ideas and it shows you are a failure of a game dev who is incapable of judging diablo, path of exile and the ARPG genre as a whole
>>728756203they most likely had the game awards showcase prepared months in advance when the advertiser team was still on board, d4 is on life support right now
>>728753882That's already a musuo when it comes to enemy density and character expression, it's not a new concept, but it's not what people playing these games are looking fori.
>>728748610that’s optional and just increases your drops. idk why you’re framing it as a necessity
>>728756334>d4 is on life support right nowI have never seen Diablo 4 threads on v before the game awards
>>728756203They make enough money and don't need to pay people to play their game.
>>728747980it wasn't that bad. /v/ doesn't play games so being a contrarian is GGEZ. most of /v/ just shitposts on games they've never played.
>>728756582>I have never seen Diablo 4 threads on v before the game awardsthey pop up infrequently, but it's a couple specific autists making the threads and posting the majority of the posts in these threads
>>728753798Maplestory did it first
>>728756767>it wasn't that bad. /v/ doesn't play games so being a contrarian is GGEZ. most of /v/ just shitposts on games they've never played.Didn't the entire games community shit on D4bad?
>>728748610>this is the only way to go about doing it.it actually drops from all world mobs that arent in helltide. But its not even necessary.
Buy me lord of hatred
>>728747980for what
>>728747980Did they just get rid of the 23 dollar expansion to charge 60 dollars for their big bundle?
>>728754658Diablo scales completely to player count so you can have fun with just a friend or two. it’s a good interim game to pick up for a month every new season and they don’t drop expansions that often so the cost is low over the long runthe bad point is that you can finish the season in a week and there is no drop protection which is bad because everything top to bottom is RNG and each thing in the game had a prerequisite that is also RNG
>>728756838they just pissed and shit themselves over the "don't you guys have phones" bullshit, that had nothing to do with the actual game itself. i played all of the diablo games, some of course, were better than others, but IV was better than 3 IMO
>>728756964>they just pissed and shit themselves over the "don't you guys have phones" bullshit, that had nothing to do with the actual game itselfThat was Diablo Immortal, you are misremembering.D4bad was a huge social media meme for awhile due to ai songs.
>>728754931>Witcher 3 has shit gameplay and I don't have time for 120 hour games and I'm sick of /v/" while your wife is nagging you, Diablo IV is for you.>>728754658Unironically this. You will be max level in a few hours and you just blast mobs with aoe until you get a few mythics or get tired of trying to kill bosses to get mythics. Then you quite until next season or next expansion.
>>728755816You have to acknowledge that the genre has been incredibly stagnant
>>728755680>don't play one of the GGG approved dev buildsI used to think this, but eventually, I just used basic common sense on how the game works and the game is pretty easy peasy now.I'm currently running disciple of varashta sorc and I'm so far just cruising and exploding mobs and bosses despite having a ring that gives me -30% ele resist. it's the same with other arpgs like last descendant. At first you think the game is bullshit but if you try to game the numbers, it becomes very manageable. This entire genre after all is built around numbers going up.
>>728756064>>728756034>>728755874>decided to go see if why its higher>DROPS ON>DROPS ON>DROPS ON>DROPS ON>DROPS ONOk thats why POE is higher.
>>728757383Diablo players are just the primordial form of mobile game players, they are stagnation incarnate.
>>728756818I can't generalize MapleStory as there isn't really any other relevant sidescroller MMO. It's a problem with a lot of online RPGs, but specifically Diablo.
>>728748129I wasted a month on d4 and it sucks. It's waaaaaaay too easy. It takes zero skill to progress through the game including the higher difficulty levels.
I want to try D4 but coming from poe2, the game just looks pretty fucking anemic man, even compared to D3. Look at this shit.https://youtu.be/alhmnpcVCu4?si=J9nkHgUyGOzoR8YxComplain all you want about poe 2 but I love how meaty the effects and general combat is in the game. Shattering frozen mobs while calling down lightning storms is so satisfying.
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against Mephisto’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
>>728756979I need Demon HunterIs immortal good?
>>728747980Paladin is fun and I’m excited for the new class in the next expansion.
>>728757667>turn on Diablo 1>it plays like a phone gameTrue Nuke
>>728758101PoE2 bosses are great, but you do them once and you don't care for them anymore. Also they don't matter since the end game there is mapping.t. beat the campaign over the weekend with Witch.
imagine how hopelessly obese and retarded someone has to be to play diablo
>>728756138Blizzard has more than enough money to pay people to play it. They just won't since they never have even during their prime.
>>728758101The problem is that that’s the only time when Poe2 is good. When those boss fights hit, it’s the best. You’ll only enjoy Diablo if you enjoy atmosphere more.
>>728758357yeah sure but the same could be said for any arpg. If you're going to make me run through these a hundred times at least make it an eye candy. Remember when D3 used to hype up all the havok physics to revolutionize the arpg genre and making it feel more destructive and powerful? I don't see that with D4 at all. It's wearing the skin of D2, the gameplay of D3 but somehow just doesn't feel as satisfying as D3. at least imo.
>>728758262>Is immortal good?its chinese gachaslop with a diablo skin designed as a soulless skinnerbox to drain you of as much money as possible, needing to be a millionaire to max out your character
eh going to wait for new xpac with next season to give d4 another playthroughhavent touched poe2 yet, was going to wait until full release but it seems like theyre just treating it like its already released and doing seasons and shit? very weirdshape of dreams is filling my arpg itch atm, very fun stuff
>>728758404This. I follow Call of Duty and Diablo and for some reason, they don’t do this sort of marketing even though you think they would. Tencent however is a different story.
>>728758551with the current dev rate poe2 1.0 wont be out for the next 12 months
>>728758465Legit question though since I do plan to play something else when i get bored of poe 2 during off seasons. Is the atmosphere actually good? Because Act 2-4 of PoE2 has kino atmosphere too. It somehow manages to capture D2's grittiness in a manner that even D2R failed imo while not being D2 since PoE has a distinct hobo/island core aesthetic while Diablo is strictly more gothic horror.
>>728758532>If you're going to make me run through these a hundred times at least make it an eye candy.What? No I'm saying if I have to run through the campaign 100 times I don't want to have to fight tedious ER-lite bosses. There's a reason why the playerbase always tries to reduce every build down to 1 skill while GGG keeps nerfing them.
>become a boomer>all of a sudden start playing arpgsIt’ll happen to YOU
>>728758645yeah thats why im kind of baffled everyone is fellating it, its a very unfinished game but theyre doing seasonal stuff with it right? anyway ive got so many games i wanna play i dont mind waiting until theyre done
>>728758673With regards to that, PoE2 really did fuck up by pandering too much to ranged gameplay that melee classes fall off HARD near the end game because every boss fight turns into a case of playing ER with bullet hell mechanics. I thankfully don't have this issue since I main witch and sorc but I know it sucks bad for warrior and monk.
>>728758670It’s a more meditative atmosphere, whereas Exile 2 is like Pirates of the Caribbean.An example is like the slaves in act 2 pulling the cart. In poe2 they’re cool dressing and then your character goes “bloody hell!” In Diablo iv there’d be a whole story about accepting the death of a slaves son. That sort of atmosphere. I don’t have a “this is better” because I play both games and they balance each other out.
>>728747980why?still an mmo-lite rat race of farming mats and killing bosses for 0.0001% drop chance of a mythicstill rubberbanding, lagging, crashing like on launchstill predatory mtx bullshitstory still gaydiablo 2 is still the better game
>>728758952I see. If the game is on discount on christmas I'll probably try it since I'm interested in the spirit born class. It's a crime how PoE2 has this whole aztec aeshetic but with no playable aztec guy. D4 has that at least.
>>728747980A shill thread for diablo? Now that's funny
>>728756818maybe post Big Bang yea, but certainly not before it
>>728759025Diablo 2 has always been predatory
>>728754386>play game>lol ur brownthx /v/
>>728747980How's the current season? Still not sure if I should play or skip.
>>728759309NTA but if you're playing a game that is actually on life support and practically dead purely so you can play as the paladin class, then yeah you're probably brown.
diablo 4 is somehow even worse than diablo 3.blizzard isn't taking poe's arpg crown anytime soon.
>>728759504Saaar
>>728759262>make dude>go through campaign>do boss runs online or help people do quests>quit>predatory
>>728759504Yeah it's actually impressive they somehow made a game that's not even as good as D3. They've spent 2 years making changes to it to make it more like D3 and it's still worse than D3.Just axe the entire dev team holy shit these retards literally cannot make D4 good.
>>728759383dunno how skin color relates to diablo, but i'd kms if i was a brownie
>>728759671>tried to make it a slow story driven horror game like d2>failed>pivoted and tried to make it a room clearing grindslop season game like d3>failed>nobody is happy>devs keep leaving
>>728759936they really badly needed someone at the helm with balls and a vision but it all reeks of committee slop and being meddled with by ceos who keep trying to make them pivot when they dont meet absurd triple a sales targets
>>728747980>always onlineno
>>728759383>On life support>New act, new map, 2 new classesIf that's life support than PoE2 must be dead since the campaign still isn't done and half the weapon trees aren't in the game yet.
>>728759936>story driven>diablo 2kek. diablo 2 was all about atmosphere. diablo 4 did manage this a bit. the problem is their plot pacing is ass and they went the wow route with quests where it's just hundreds of shitty useless quests.
>>728759383Ply a self hating brown person who spams steam chart threads would post like thisYou aren’t white Alejandro. Give it up
>>728752658>and its just not funWrong.
>>728759609 Exactly. People throw around "predatory" like it's some kind of magic word that shuts everything down. D2 was literally just: make a dude, smash bosses, maybe trade a SoJ for something cool, log off. Nobody was trying to nickel-and-dime you with glowing horse skins or $30 emo armor sets. You paid once and that was it. If anything, it’s the last ARPG that respected your time while still letting you get lost in item hunting.
Diablo shills are working overtime today, guess the new patch flopped.
Step aside diablo. Nobody cares, you got mogged by a divinity trailer despite trying to go back to being dark in diablo 4. Nobody even bought the expansion and nobody remembers what even happened in diablo 4
Paladin is fun, new season is fun.
>>728759504Poe is just Warframe with a top down camera it ain’t nothing
>>728760232I would argue that today's roguelites took over that niche more than anything.
>>728747980Paladin is extremely fun but it is overpowered, needs balancing, and the women are fucking hideous. i'm also a bit bitter it cost me $60 because every new Lost Ark class has been free and included a free level pass that let me skip the campaign and to Lvl 60 so i could get back to the mid-endgame. i'm not ready to apologize for anything yet.
>>728748129Like most things blizzard you're shoehorned into builds if you want to do damage and the skill tree and aspects are reasonably dull. The moment to moment combat isn't too bad but judging by the first expansion the game isn't going to get any better just more sloppa.Poe2 is probably the slowest arpg ever. It forces you to engage with boss mechanics but just traversing through the story takes forever.
>>728761006Congratulations to divinity, for having an ass trailer that was more satanic than diablos, with a statue that people thought was Elder Scrolls
>>728748178they are former blizztroons that crashed out and became poetroons or xivtranniesexactly the same level of mental derangement with a new vector (hating blizzard)
DO NOT REDEEM THE D4 BLOODY BENCHODSAAR DO NOT
>>728761465>Poe2 is probably the slowest arpg ever. It forces you to engage with boss mechanics but just traversing through the story takes forever.It's about the same pace as d2 but the issue is that each map is like 3-4 times the size of d2. I recently went back and played d2r and was surprised how a single map in act 3, like kurast bazaar could be skipped in less than a minute by simply going a straight line. If this was poe 2, it would be 5-10 minutes of traversing through corridors.
>>728747980how the fuck is D2 still the peak of this genre? a game that has so many flaws, yet is still unsurpassed? can someone fix this genre already?I don't want to play a railroad simulator to the endgame where you're supposed to grind eternally or mindless musou-like enemy encounters, I want an actual good campaign with good character progression like how a good RPG is, and D2 is still, to this day, the best one at that
>>728759320How's the current season? Still not sure if I should play or skip.
>>728761640Oh shit is that where all the xivtrannies came fromWhat’s a poetroon
>>728761936D2 isn’t even that good. What’s a good level in d2, the snow area? That’s about it. Oh and the prison. I like that one because the door shadows. D2 is too overhyped.
attention all indians in the thread, we play poe, not d4
>>728762208yes, D2 is flawed and not actually that good, but somehow, it was only downhill after D2at least in the things I mentioned
>>728762240NO SAAR YOU BLOODY BITCH MOTHERFUCKER SAAR YOU JUST HATE BLIZZARD SAAR YOU MUST BE FROM FINAL FANTASY SAAAR I MUST LARP AS WHITE CRUSADER MAN SAAAR DO NOT TAKE THIS FROM ME SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE POE NOOOOO DO NOT I SAID DO NOT D4 IS GOOD SAAR STOP HATING BLIZZARD SAAR MY IZZAT SAAR
If enough Diablo 4 threads pop up, eventually some poopdick will show up. He’ll just manifest out of the 4chan aether and start talking about Last Epoch feet pics or something.
>Reminder Diablo 4 is so fucking bad there isnt a game general for it on 4chan it killed anyone giving 2 fucks about diablo
xivtrannies can’t help themselves
>>728747980Its still shit and nothing was actually fixed
>>728762490There's nothing to talk about.>copy a build from any guide>play until you complete it>play some more for a few upgrades>realize it's fucking boring as shit>stop playing>repeat next season
>>728762490The /vm/ thread is comfy
>>728762490To be fair, the poe general isn't much better. it's literally just an echo chamber of miserable poe fags who keep bitching about poe2 every day. Just play these games as god intended, by your lonesome and a can of monster energy drink. I havent seen any discourse about arpgs that didn't end up with people wanting different things out of the genre and eventually coming into terms that the genre is ultimately just shallow power fantasy
>DIABLO IS BAD>why?>OH MY FUCKING NONEXISTENT GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME? every time
>>728762569So like every ARPG then?
>>728762626No. There is literally 0 player agency in any of the playing. 0 choices. 0 decisions you have to make.
>>728762569>copy a build from any guideyou don't need to do thisI never used a guide and the game is just really easy
>>728762690So.... like every ARPG then?
>>728762609>try to tell people that story is important in ARPGs>get called gay and that gameplay is all that matters>same guy gets excited over a loot drop>call him a gay gambling addict>other guy wants a Souls spinoff of game>gay souls
>>728748129I can’t wait for more hoyo to make an arpg and blow all of these games out of the water
I don't believe it that much, but its entertaining to think about.
>>728762618It’s so bad. It’s literally unplayable. Every time I play it I turn it off. When I play it I think about blizzard and how bad they are. They’re so bad that the game becomes even worse. Even just thinking about the game makes me spasm and scream in public. I literally can’t
>>728748257Because people are playing it instead of bitching about it. I guess. I didn't play it. But D4 bad.
>>728762797Play more video games. This is the video game board.
>>728763203>Hoyo makes an ARPG >1.0 is phenomenal, best ARPG ever>story starts going nowhere>endgame becomes mini games where you dance>can only farm mythic weapons on Tuesday >mobile controls so no complexity to combat can ever be added>open world hoyo good, blizzard and Ubisoft bad
>>728747980Mommy
>>728763464What does lilith even do in the story? I havent seen anyone talk about the story at all.
>>728763515In 4. Little, but she has more of a presence in the older games.
dont worry, its good now
>giving a single cent to Blizzard >2025Hahahahahahaah
>>728763546>reskinned andariel in diablo 2>doesn't appear in diablo 3where the fuck is that presence?
>>728763546>but she has more of a presence in the older games.The fuck are you talking about retard
>>728763515>What does lilith even do?Eye candy.
>>728763645>>728763672Little presence, but slightly more.
>>728763546Lilith in Diablo 1 was peak>aahhh fresh meatSo sexy
Im enjoying paladin. finished the season in like 2 days
>>728763712>>728763546What do you mean? You're telling me she's the face and main antagonist of the game and she does fuck all in 4?
>>728763679atziri though
>>728763723>old enough to have played the original Diablo It was on an old Compaq too.
>>728763751nobody does much in diablo 4 period, the plot moves at a crawl.
>>728763751Yes, that's what I was getting at.
>>728763819>second expansion is still about the same demon that was the problem other than lilith in the base game and last expansion alreadyIm getting lord of hatred fatigue. cant they come up with something new?
>>728763758>nose ringmoooo~
>>728763712>Little presence, but slightly more.Stop talking, you're retarded.She's a major story character and 4 and basically just background lore in 2 and 3. She doesn't even exist in 1.
>>728763758Im pretty sure thats a male bellybutton
>>728763870>>728763881those are male tits too.
>>728763876Yeah, no shit. She's there, but not really, for the whole fucking series. I would have thought with 4 we'd get more of her. And was let down that we didnt.
>>728763931So spoil me then. What does she even do in 4? 3 was about angel drama and diablo assaulting heaven under a new host.
I only like chain lightning sorc
>>728763992She kills Inarius and is disappointed in us that we kill her instead of teaming up with her to kill her daddy Mephisto.
>>728763864nta but lord of hatred is more of a direct response to how you don't even fight mephisto in vessel of hatred. D4 in general could be summed up by memberberries honestly.
>>728764039>Tyrael shatters the world stone which is supposed to do..... something?world seems worse now desu. demons were barely a problem prior to D1
>>728763930I wish I had more hands…TO GIVE THOSE TITTIES FOUR THIMBS DOWN
>>728764102>world seems worse now desu. demons were barely a problem prior to D1Because we destroyed the world stone in D2 LoD
>>728762690That's ARPGs
>>728748335your gaslighting doesn't work, niggercattle
>>728748129>Grim yawn or porchlightchrist that's bleak. if D4 or poe2 dont scratch the itch just play an older diablo game. They're all in a good spot now after a billion patches/seasons
>>728747980What arpg has the best magic user experience/design? New to the genre and the deep build craft intrigues me. Was thinking either Diablo 4 or 3 as those seem to be designed as “starting points”.
>>728748129Diablo 4 is too easy and nothing to do in late game (like 7 shitty boses, Helltide and a dungeon with the same final boss) while PoE 2 is slow as fuck and retarded Arpg fags have nothing to play>dude go back to Diablo 2 Stfu
>>728764751Apparently everyone like poe2’s sorceress because you can move around while casting.
>>728765028I find D4 a lot harder than Poe2 to be honest
>>728764751Everybody who has played D3, even the haters, loves the Witchdoctor. Just a genuinely a really fun and unique class.
>>728765319How's Diablo 4 hard when1.>Enemies scale with you2.>Dynamic difficulty settings. If you don't one-shot everything, just lower it until you do.
>>728765419Was outclassed by everybody else in later seasons so barely anybody played WD.
>>728748403I like Diablo 4, but let's not lie and pretend Blizzard has good writers or ever has.
>>728765281>>728764751Yeah PoE2 imo seems to be built for spellcasting. Sorc and With by extension so very fun. Elemental synergizies especially allow you to breeze through hordes that single damage type classes can have problems with.
>>728755042>diablo 1>fast combat
Playing this for the first time. I like it. Didn't play PoE 1
>>728747980The game isnt terrible, nor is it amazing. It’s good at best. I enjoy playing it for easy dopamine. No need to bring my brain to the experience.What I absolutely detest though, is how with every new update, they make the game brighter and more colorful. I really loved the aesthetic of the 1.0. It’s going away slowly to become just Diablo 3 bis in terms of art direction. I will drop the game when it’s too much for me.
>>728766672>brighter and more colorfulWhere? Game looks as dreary and depressing as 1.0.
>>728748129anthing is better than blizzslop, PoE2 is pretty fun
poejeets seething as usual I see
>>728754658It's very sincere and grim, but the pacing sucks.
>>728767592I beat Jam on a very very scuffed werewolf build
>>728754658i had quite a bit of fun with a self made brawler barbarian and kick is fun as fuck as a skill. Attempting higher level nightmare/dungeons whatever could be challening and funEven in events with other players shit feels hollow and empty, the seasons haven't felt like they added anything of significance and the first expacs story was absolute shite. I haven't played since first expac but i did get about ...80 hours of the game
>>728754658Pro>Good flashy combat, the Animations flow beautifully and it fels just good and snappy unlike PoE.>Decent Story>Good visuals, good designs. The game rarely loses visual clarity.>Gear system is now fun and intuitive and probably on the better side of arpgsCons>Not enough skill choices, not enough complexity in the skill tree>Paragon board is 99% stats and passives>Some characters are DEI af and ugly>Not enough mob density>No worthwhile endgame>They pussied out of adding real mmo features
>>728763515Tries to get the most chad humans to bust fat nuts in demon pussies to create an uber-race as a third dominant power in the eternal conflict.No seriously she literally had a plan to stop mankind from being a playball between heaven and hell. This came at the cost of insane torment and genocide but is that really so bad considering a Malthael can just appear and kill 99% of the human population at any given moment?
>>728768984>be free in sin, my children :)>everyone immediately starts murdering each other and devolving into rabid animalsonly Angels will receive my seed (with Auriel being the first)
>>728762490>arpg>anything to talk about after a week lol, even card games have more things to be discussed
>>728769415That was the point. She's not a benevolent saviour but plans to turn mankind into a superior race with social darwinism and by using the power of lesser (and greater) evils. But under her lead there would be a mankind in the future - with her as the ruler over creation and the new Nephalim race. Inarius wants to eradicate everyone to buy himself back into heaven. On their own, only death awaits as hell will grind away at the pathetic remains of sanctuary.
can you fight diablo yet?
>>728747980My interest got fucked bad after how little shits they gave about seasons after the first expansion, and then this "Includes the previous expansion but if you bought that one you get nothing" rubs me the wrong way. At this point I'm just waiting for that new Yawn expansion
>>728747980wheres Diablo tho?
>>728770253recuperating in Hell
>>728766651Its fine the first time - but after that its just the same shit.
Someone please buy me d4 + lord of hatred edition. i will pay with feet pics
>do nothing>win
>>728768485>Cons>>Not enough skill choices, not enough complexity in the skill tree>>Paragon board is 99% stats and passives>>Some characters are DEI af and ugly>>Not enough mob density>>No worthwhile endgame>>They pussied out of adding real mmo featuresEnough about POE2, he asked about D4.
>>728758262>Is immortal good?God no, it's hyper pay to play, if you don't spend hundreds of thousands you will never progress. it's designed for whales.
It’s surprising to me that arpgs have become the new mmo.
>>728747980?
>>728770424Yeah I was talking about D4.
>>728771291Not exactly, unless you count warframe, destiny and so on as arpgs, but those are more like looter shooters.
>>728762618Nobody said Diablo is bad. Old as fuck, sure, but not bad.Diablo 4 on the other hand, is of course fucking bad.
>>728771335AHAHAHAHAApologise 1000 times and I’ll let Lilith-chan live!
>>728748129This genre isn't normally my cup of tea, but between PoE2 and D4, I enjoyed diablo 4 immensely more. D4 might be a far more on rails experience but I don't feel like I wasted my time when playing. I get comparatively decent loot even from random trash mobs and bosses have a real pay off. In PoE2 I could spend hours grinding my teeth against the pavement just to see mostly trash white drops over and over. Even the fucking bosses were dropping mostly white gear and junk. I'm also not nearly autistic enough for how massive the perk / skill trees are in PoE2.
>>728747980NONO SKELETON ARMYNO APOLOGY
>poe2 act 3 lengthMy god can someone make this game end already.
>>728770407>do nothingto be fair the next expansion is bigger then the base game and the previous expansions combined. theyre not exactly doing nothing
I would have boughtened Diablo IV ages ago if they just made god damn private lobbies. Literally a single problem.
>>728770407Umm is this offline? Yikes. So you can see 4 dudes standing around in town? Yeezers
Diablo IV is possibly the greatest video game ever made, so glad /v/ has come around on it.Blizzard is so based and redpilled.
>>728757441Diablo also has drops retard.
>>728754931>you love grinding out endgames for 300 hours and sitting on forums and researching builds while the professor is talkingThere's no such game currently on the market.
>>728748463>NOOO I WANT TO PLAY THE SAME MAPS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!Why are endgame retards like this?
>>728748463I don’t think I could do this. The levels are an absolute slog.
>>728747980>APOLOGISENo.
>>728748169no one cares about poo2. poe 1 is still the king
>>728747980For what? This game is still live service trash. No negative thing ive ever said about it has been wrong.
>>728772185Sorry sweaty, you have to see the cash shop skins on other paypigs, single player is a no-no.
>>728747980Rod won. Wyatt won. Chris won. Troonathan lost. Troonkaizer lost. Jew69 lost. Bigly.
>>728768485>>Good flashy combat, the Animations flow beautifully and it fels just good and snappy unlike PoE.Id argue that the combat is a downgrade from D3
>>728773007I'd agree but d3 was just that exceptionally good.
>>728772734based grim chad, this fucking expansion WILL release in 2026 or i will self delete minecraft
>>728747980>Released the Chud class PaladinBlizzsisters lost
hilarous how this thread is going only because there's no usual wall of text shitting on d4 that kills any discussionwell, there's not even a discussion about the game, outside usual >mmuh X game better>no, d4 is better than Xthings is, d4 isn't even an arpg at this point. It's a live service lost ark designed to farm money off skins and whatever battlepass and shop offers. Other games like LE, PoE, Grim Dawn and many other at least attempt to make game that is fun to play. Not a product to farm money cheapest way possiblehow amny seasons it is? 11? majority fo them being borrowed powers recolor with not-helltides farm zones? As devs admitted, another set of d3 mechanics ports sicne they cannot come with anything good and original themselves. What is it, 3rd itemization and craft rework? Imagine buying d4 like me, a retard, and then xpacs for a ltieral beta. PoE2 at least tells you that it's early access and they're figuring stuff out. This advertises as full priced agme with 2nd xpac incoming and the fucking game still doesn't know what it want to beonly part that's good is story but only if you're not a d2 fan since lorerape will hurt you. World is also dark, and then again a fucking poe of all titles beats it up easily with first zone and vaal one.D4 is a waste of time, you have many other arpg that do their own stuff and do it way better
>>728747980Mogged by PoE2
>>728747980It's shit and boring af
>>728747980Azmodan returning is cool
>>728747980yo is this worth buying now or do i just wait to buy when the xpansion comes out? the only reason i never bought D4 was cause it didnt have paladin.. in a diablo game. >>728772381as opposed to the same fucking levels from the slogslop campaign over and over again every time you wan to reroll a character?
Diablo 4 didn't catch my attention like D3 did when it came out. Felt too much like more of the same.
>>728774859it's called diablo 4 and it doesn't have diablo in it stillbuying this overpriced shit only for paladin is retarded and you should feel ashamed
>>728773735>>728773890poe trannies begonego back to your trash ass game
how the fuck is D4 not F2P yet? A marketing normalfag would know making it F2P then dropping the paid expansion would net you way more money.
>>728775382you, the character, are diablo in d4that’s why you are constantly being referred to as wanderer and why you resist lilith’s blood when no other human does
>>728747980No, it was shitty. It's not that shitty anymore, but it took a long time to get here. Also the cash shop prices are lunacy.
>>728775480why bother making it f2p if retarded normalfags will buy it anyway>>728775548>resist lilith bloodyou fags don't even pay attention to campaign you praise as only good thing
>>728775480It has a more than decent amount of players. There's no reason yet.
>>728772740>poe 1 is still the kinglol and LMAO. Poo1 is on indefinite suicide watch; GGG can't keep dividing their teams between both games.
>>728775480There's more chance for WoW to become F2P than Diablo 4
I bought D4 for free cause of their own damn fault and blizzard reverted my purchase. Fuck Blizzard
>>728772740>poe 1 is still the king
>>728755321>You can play the expansion storiesyeah because that's what people play diablo for right? the last expansion had you follow that ugly chink mary sue around and get stabbed by some literal who almost killing you, just after you killed lilith in a one on one, fucking great writing man, can't wait for chink sue adventures part 2
>>728776572>that ugly chink mary sueThis was the worst narrative decision they could have made. Diablo was never really about the story; the characters and lore were mostly there as a backdrop for the overall struggle between heaven and hell (and the dungeon crawling and looting). D4 should have followed the narrative structure of D2 and it would have been serviceable at the very least.
This entire genre of game is obsoleted by the dark souls games.
>>728776858Dark Souls is not an arpg.
>>728776880
>>728776816he needs to start lifting...
>>728748463they lowered the size recently (again)
>>728776816nah man you need that epic main character, and for some reason they decided it isn't the player character, probably cheaper to make merch for
>>728776105phrecia league will save us
>>728748403Ironically, doesn't PoE force you to go through the campaign on every character?
>>728752549I have fun with it, but I'm retarded. I also like Paladin, which is apparently far and away the best class currently.
is D4 like WoW now?every year you have to buy a new expansion to continue playing?
D4 GUDD4 BADASSD4 THE BEST ARPG EVER MADE!Sing it with me lads!!
>>728777221No, actually most people don't seem to have bought the first expansion and just kept on trucking with the seasons. Obviously there is content that you don't get if you didn't buy the expansion, but the seasonal gameplay was still fine. Currently you cannot play Paladin unless you pre-order the next expansion, but after the new expansion releases it will be available for everyone, from what I understand.
>>728777350so basically your playing the gimped version of the game if you dont buy the latest expansion?
>>728777221no you dont need it it's ok cause the expansion added nothing
>>728777618isnt most of the endgame locked behind the expansion?
>>728777350>>728777618>Game Pass gives you the Diablo IV base game, but you must buy the Vessel of Hatred expansion separatelythe absolute state of Microsoft
>>728777059>phrecia league will save usLets just say I'm not holding my breath. Also I loathe the GGG mods since the tencent acquisition; no fun allowed.
>>728777664>endgame>in a non mmo>in a diablo game
>>728748463Why doesn't POE just offer a campaign skip option already? That's one thing I definitely prefer about Diablo. I don't wanna redo the story anymore
>>728777617No, if you didn't buy the first expansion you didn't get access to the Spiritborn class (who cares) and a single area on the map. Also obviously you didn't get the story from that expansion, but it sounds like nothing happened anyway. Like I said: Most people didn't buy the first expansion and they were just fine playing the seasons.
>>728747980I'm sorry that I bought it. I won't buy any of the expansions though.
>>728777664No, the endgame are the seasons, and you don't need to enter the expansion zone to do seasonal stuff. The only thing you miss out on is one class, Spiritborn. I'm not even sure if that is the case anymore, the Paladin is only locked temporarily behind the next expansion pre-order.
>>728777768>>endgame>>in a non mmonta but it's still very important for staying power. Just look at a game like Last Epoch before monos; the player retention skyrocketed once they fully implemented monos, and it increased further once they implemented seasonal content.
>>728777768are you retarded or a newfag? did you ever play a Diablo game? do you think its a story based game and it over when you beat the final boss?
>>728778002let me know what endgame diablo 1 and 2 had
When I traverse the world in D4 at blazing speed on my horsie, or even on foot faster than coked up usain bolt, I cant help but think that if the game had realistic walk/run speed, no mount and a much different combat, way more slow and methodical, with monsters that have real movesets not just attackmelee/attackrange/selfdetruct, it would be a great experience of an ARPG with a focus on the A.
>>728775814they could double the number of people and poo2 woild still be shit
So can I pirate d4 if I want to play only singleplayer story? Is it cracked?
>>728775404PoE2 has serious gameplay design problems>slow af early game>supposed to clear entire map before anyone even spawns in endgameVery conflicting ideologies and I don't know why the game needs to progress like that.That being said, it's a better game than D4.
>>728777857Why does it need staying power? D2 wasn't designed as a live service game and it's one of their most popular games ever. Just make a good game, ship it and start working on the next game while learning from past mistakes. That's how you make progress, creating an online environment just to sell cash shop items isn't progress.
>>728778035diablo is a dungeon crawler faggotnigger>d2yes, the legendary grind, farming runes, items, ubers for torch etc. was the endgame. And most of the new ladder seasons ahd new ladder-only runewords and game was more alive than your modern full themed seasonal shit. The endgame was to complete your character build. For others, it was getting every unqiue possiblebecause again, game was amde to be fun to play, no to sell or fill specific metrics, you fucking faggotholy fucking shit how stupid are you
>>728747980I'M STILL SORRY THAT I THOUGHT ACTIVISION BLIZZARD CAN DO A GOOD GAME I AM STILL DEEPLY SORRY GUYS
>>728780264>D2 wasn't designed as a live service gameD2 has had an active moding community keeping it alive; no one playes vanilla D2 today.>Just make a good gameI agree but that isn't going to keep player retention. I love games like D2, Dragon Age 1, Mass Effect 1 just to name a few, but I don't go back and play them more than vanilla more than maybe 2 or 3 times a year respectively. When companies make games with player retention in mind they make them as GaaS. I don't play GaaS, I think that business model is squeesing the soul out of the narrative style games of yesteryear, but at the same time it makes sense for profit driven companies to adapt to the GaaS model; they need to keep the player on the live service carousel to keep the revenue stream going.>That's how you make progress, creating an online environment just to sell cash shop items isn't progress.For companies, money leads to growth. You can disagree with it as much you like, but that's just a fact.
>>728779342Because it is good game by design, but they must shit it because poe1 players want zoom-zoom maps with 1 skill vuold in every game apparently
>>728762490The metric of a game being good is not based on whether or not it has a 4chan general
>>728780857>That doesn't relate to anything I just said>D2 wasn't designed as a live service game and it's one of their most popular games ever.The main point was about staying power and player retention. Vanilla D2 does not have staying power. The conversation was about why games of today need endgame content to keep player retention. I explained to you why companies have adapted to the live service model (where end game content is a major component)
>>728780264>Just make a good gameThat requires talent and time. It's much easier to dopamine farm zoomers with seasonal content.
>>728768485>it fels just good and snappy unlike PoE.I think I need to play PoE2 to see how bad things can really get. I played D3 again for a week before D4 and D4 movement, animations, and even menus feel incredibly clunky and laggy.
>>728780570Plenty of people play vanilla D2 or D2R today and have over the years.
>>728780570>I don't play GaaS and I think it's squeezing the soul out of gamesThen why are you defending it like a corporate bot? There are studios out there like Larian and FromSoftware that get by just fine without GaaS models or monetization. Consumers seem to be wisening up to the fact that corporate greed is ruining their games, there is a paradigm happening in the industry and smaller studios that follow the old and more consumer-friendly way of doing things are slowly taking over the whole show. Greedy companies like Blizzard that have put all their eggs into the GaaS basket are slowly becoming irrelevant.
>>728772734Wish they didn't move the character list but also made it so you could stretch it.
>>728780982absolutely nodid you ever wondered why d2 was a huge success with 1mln copies sold, but now 200x bigger company cries out for games to be more expensive, have multiple dlc, shops items and 5mln copies sold in first week or else they die?They're no longer games. They're products. Live service is a way to mascarade a game as something that you want and expect to pay more and more over time. D1 and d2 were finished games. You bought it, only next expense was xpac that usually had much more content than any modern content update or dlc except for a few like elden ring having full fledged xpac named dlc. After that everything was free. battlenet was free and somehow they didn't cry about server maintence, msotly because battlenet was jus a lobby helping players making their own games with chat rooms.They do not produce more content and more often to make players happy. They produce it to a minimum quota to keep money flowing, because now they need to show increasing gross income each quarter.They gauge how low they can go, how low cost something can be until money stops flowing. Wowfaggots experienced and still experience it firsthand, where they start banning bots harder only when community outcry reaches certain limit. A lot fo money doesn't go into game development at all, but to marketers instead, and all those teams, thinkg-tanks and others, focusing on how make a feature into a game that keeps people play and pay more. Actual development in games industry is at a lower cost, devs earn much less than their peers in actual tech companies. Most expensive costs when proucing games isn't actually producing game, but all those marketing costsD4 is a living, prime example of a long term product focused on farming money. It have that odd, near gacha-like feeling when playing, like an AI image. At this point, blizzard repalced EA as the most predatory company in gaming industry. your are a customer, not a player anymore
>>728782252contthey now call it live service. To keep introducing you to a concept when it's not your traditional game. Hollywood is also a prime example of makign extremly costly shows, written by people so disconnected from their own audience, that they constantly flop or get a marginal revenue. They even have, both holywood and gaming industry, paid marketers larping as journalist, to defend and market those games. And it's obvious that these journalist don't even play these games that much nor they're interested in games.And what's the most sad thing, is watching devs who clearly don't want to talm about battlepass talk about it, or try to sneak those remarks like "we know the game isn't fun" or other shit, while getting bashed bycommunity. Meanwhile, the real culprit, marketers, project managers and salesforce is hidden from community and completely safe. A lot of devs pick gamedev because of passion, not greed because as I said, wages are dogshit. And corporate geed is destroying their love for games. A lot of not only diablo, but overall devs know that the game is shit, they know that something is dump and they woudl prefer making something fun instead of another armor pack(outsourced btw because it's cheaper). It's like a dev that wants to make a modern d2 itemization while not giving a fuck about meta. And then marketer comes in and blocks your idea because it doesn't encourage competition, and no competition means no dopamine addicts competing or crying about meta via social interaction on social mediasyou have no idea how much blizzard devs read those comments, or browse chan but they cannot do anything but vent their frustration. You think some shitposters type thing like shitzard is a corporate full jew company using legendary titles and brands to farm money? you're for a rude awakening if someoen was so rbave to flash his shitzard ID here. But then, you would be banned in industry because of that, so enjoy finding a job later
so is Titan Quest 2 any good?
Maybe I was the minority on this, but the endgame and Pindle/Kurast item runs of D2 were the worst parts and I'm not sure how that became the focus of ARPGs over the much better aspects.
>>728782815I'd rather wait for the Grim Dawn extension, that may come out in the next half year.
>>728775404Poe trannies seem not to want to play their game. They'd rather talk about why they're not playing it atm.
>>728747980d4 still suffers from quantity over quality itemization and now with promised changes for next expansion hard to say if it'll get better or worseIt's a 6/10 game and suffers from simple things a lot of games do or has left out things from past games that seem like a no brainer
Last time I played D4 was a year ago or so, worth reinstalling without the new expansion?
>>728783329if you mean the recently revealed expansion it hasn't released yet so nothing has changed really aside from early paladin from pre-ordering it and the new seasonal thing
>>728750310Molest female coworkers.
>>728747980Sorry, should've put paladin in the game at the start like all of the other throwback classes and a single player offline modr while you were at it instead of wasting everyone's time with jaguar warrior. Pull the emergency ripcord all you want. Will not buy.
>>728782815I think the foundation is solid, even if version 1.0 is still a long way off. It is rather slow, though.
>>728783108How is it compared to D3? I know everyone says "go back to Diablo 2" but I actually loved D3 and put huge amount of hours into it. So my question is, if I'm a hardcore D3 fan, will I be disappointed by D4 the same way a D2-fan is disappointed by it?
>>728784575I don't think you will enjoy D4, because while the presentation is enormously better, it simply isn't as fun as D3.
>>728747980I KNOW ITS A LONG SHOTBUT IF YOUR READING THIS BLIZZARD SHILLStell your masters to just implement offline mode alreadyi dont care how you do it, but just allow me to get off the grid and play your gameotherwise, im fine not buying it
will it get on sale on steam tonight?im not buying it on battle net gay launcher
>>728784708Thanks
I've been defending D4 against the hordes of sweatpants-wearing, europoor PoE lovers, but last night I figured I'd read a summary of the main story of D4 and Lilith. It's the stupidest shit ever written. Even PoE enjoyers will admit that D4 has a better setting, maybe it still does but the story sucks and I'm kind of excited to see how bad it is in the new expansion.
>>728785075The story is good what are you smoking?
D4 is good and I think it gets unfairly shit on. I really think they captured the tone and mood of what Sanctuary is supposed to be and feel like, much more than D3 did. Necromancer also is a lot of fun and feels like what Necromancer was supposed to play like in D3. I'm a bit sad we probably won't get Witchdoctor as a class since I did have fun with him and I think his big, extravagant masks and out there spells where fun and did help make the world feel more diverse than just the same dark goth midevil fantasy. I'm hoping we'll finally get to see the Amazon countries as well but I doubt it.
I hurt myself today...
>>728784575to me d4 feels slower than d3 but not in a good way like d1 is slow. more like d3 in molasses.It's like d4 has an identity crisis which is why d2 lovers and d3 lovers have issues with it.there's no set items for massive damage boosts, there's no kanai's cube for making build diversity and getting end game gear is all about rng crafting
>>728785252>daughter of a prime evil demon lady creates the entire world with an angel>she is not featured in any lore at all in previous games btw>wakes up after "sleeping" all through the events of the first three games>quickly dies>is never brought up again
>>728785485>he watched the whole 22 minutes of garbage
>>728785796Spotted the PoE Andy.
>>728785307Imagine being a D4 dev, looking at all the past cool classes like Amazon, Witch Doctor, Demon Hunter and thinking "Yeah this Spiritborn class is really gonna be a hit!" I never see anyone play it. For every 40 players I see in-game one of them is a SpiritShit.
>>728747980Apologize? For what? Where's my apology for Starcraft 2's balance, or their greed in pursuing dumb fucking $20 mounts in wow instead of ever making another RTS? How about any of the infinite things we deserve before we start considering a single thing the billion dollar corporation deserves for exploiting your wealth.
>>728785640She (and her role in creating Sanctuary) was directly referenced at least in Diablo III and Diablo Immortal. I couldn't say for sure if the origins of Sanctuary were discussed in Diablo II, they definitely weren't in the original Diablo because the whole setting seems kind of wishy-washy and the background lore is really just focused on Tristram.
>>728785882Spirit born is like monk but with the witchdoctor theme. Probably why no one likes it because it's not cool and doesn't make sense in either aspect really.
>>728786412>any of the infinite things we deserveYou deserve nothing you entitled zoomzoom. Game companies do whatever makes them money.
>>728784575It's slower paced than D3 but something that doesn't get enough attention is how much less fun it is to build characters in D4. The talents are arrayed in a straight line and the legendaries/sets aren't as over the top. There's also drastically less skill variety since they dropped the system where skills all have elemental and projectile variants. You have to show up for boss raid timers and event timers like a fucking wagie. And then after all that youre forced into a seasonal/battlepass/fomo treadmill.
>>728784708The overworld and hoops to just run rifts is what kills d4 for me.
>>728786680D3 is such a weird game. It is pretty ass and casual but at the same time it's more fun and the casualness makes it easy to pick up and mess around with.
>>728786672And if that is their mentality, then they deserve no apology. "zoomzoom"lmao you can't be over 28.
>>728786680I know you're talking about RoS sets and legendaries, and they're cool, but it made me remember vanilla D3. Your average DH had 2 piece Nat, 2 piece Inna and a Manticore because sockets. What a fucking joke.
>>728787393beats wearing the same set with 0 variation, d3 vanilla was a better game. d3 ros became a gamer dad week-end plan.
>>728787393I still miss delsere set giving bubble dps before they got super crazy with damage
>>728785485PoE2 isnt worth playing until its 1.0 release. I am just gonna wait until they're done overhauling the game every season and decided on what the endgame should look like, with all the weapons and classes.
>travel to girlboss island and work with the girlboss demon to smash to patriarchy of hell No Leah no buy
>>728786672>Starcraft>zoomzoomAnon... I don't know how to tell you this but a lot of time has passed since then...
>>728785485The only problem with PoE2 is they released the early access too early. Same stupid problem every developer these days make. They are playing catchup trying to make everything ready for a full game release but now need to release half baked leagues to keep the playerbase interested, taking time away from actually finishing the game
>>728788932She's dead bro
I was having fun with D4 initially, but the open world really wears out its welcome. It doesn't help that so many encounters including bosses feel repetitive and utterly braindead. Also, the story is trash and most important/competent characters (good or villains) tend to be female. I feel a much stronger sense of progression in PoE2, the combat feels more impactful and quality of animations and art style is waaay better. The one thing I'd put D4 over PoE2 is some of the music, that's it.
I started a new Spiritborn for this season. Following an evade SB build guide. Everything dies by pressing evade. I don't know why but it works. Skipping any dialogue.Level 30 something after half an hour. It's kinda a joke
>>728748129I like TQ2, and at least its getting pretty steady updates. The new expansion for GD looks great.
>>728790656Something about events being perfectly spaced and repeated on timers makes the open world feel totally fake and gay for me. Diablo isnt exactly the franchise you go to for immersion, but still, it's worse than ever. Like a theme park or something
>>728790809for me it's the mounts that really killed the idea of open world diablo for me
>>728766439Why would you lie on the internet? He was the strongest class for quite a few seasons, just like virtually every other class. That's how blizzard decided seasons should work.
>>728748129Last Epoch isn't terrible but the build diversity is pretty lacking
>>728790842Yea especially when they're loaded up with paypig skins. Despite the subject matter and very light toe dips into extraplanar plot devices, D1 and D2 were low fantasy as hell. Never would've pictured flaming tigers or ice stags straight out of WoW in that world but here we are.
>have to buy like 3 expansions for full price if i want to use any of the new affixes, runewords, or classbruh
>>728791119this pic is a new loading screen and it looks straight from wow and looks like dogshit. I wouldn't be surprised if those are the new buyable cosmetics
>>728791374>that one guy who comes on 4chan and posts things without doing any research, even a simple google searchyou get the last expansions with the newest one. They're using the WoW model, not the Destiny one.
>>728786891Demon Hunter was significantly cooler than rogue in D4. Rogue feels bland and boring. In the future, I'd almost like them to rework Rogue to be specifically a melee archetype, then re-introduce DH as the range archetype.
So is Diablo 4 worth getting just for the paladin?
>>728791983Not at all.
>>728791983paladin is pretty fun in d4 atm, just depends on if you like arpgs or not. D4 is easily the best 'modern' arpg on the market today after Last Epoch's collapse and PoE 2's continued disappointment.
>>728791846Not that anon, but WoW let's you carry progress forward instead of deleting all your shit and charging you $25 for the privilege of doing it all over again every season. Yes, they reset gear/levels with expansions but youre given a new set of zones/enemies/levels & talents/etc to make it more exciting than just the same game + one seasonal modifier or set of gems>b-b-but eternalDoesn't get updates.
I got lv100 at release and never played againcampaign and cinematics were cool one-offs but there was nothing to build towards or chase at endgame, loot was meaningless stat rolls (and no loot filter)I actually bought d2r after and installed some mods, had way more fun theorycrafting stuff than all my time in d4
>>728791983they're changing skill trees and adding horadric cube but we don't know what it'll do so by the time you learn about how shit works in d4 it'll change a bit come next expansion
>>728791983nopeand disregard retards like >>728792068you're better of playing crusader in d3
Diablo 3 fucked up all its systems and it pisses me off because it's the best feeling ARPG to play. It's so fucking responsive and smooth it makes me legitimately angry that it was wasted on something with no endgame of value.
>>728792068can a brother get a qrd on Last Epoch? it just looks... janky
Why does PoE hate fun?
>>728791797>That's the season pass skinPic related is a shop skin (wings not included) but it damn sure blows every single armor piece from PoE/Grim Dawn
>>728792536if he's ok playing an older game with worse graphics and no updates, then sure. But D4 is a cleaner and newer game that will be receiving updates for years and years (since D4 is planned as a long term service game, there will be no D5).
>>728793384d4 has so much clutter to it and they aren't even consistent with simple shit like a button to go from area map to world map
>>728747980you apologize to me troon
When was the last time a d4 thread reached bump limit?
The game is on a discount but why does it still cost 60 dollars? What the hell.
>>728795276you probably clicked on something that has to do with expansions
>>728795690>Vessel of hatred isnt for saleWhat the fuck is going on. I just want to try spiritborn
>>728747980it was always good though
>>728795921you probably can't buy vessel of hatred because they bundled it into the new expansion preorder
>>728770407DLC WHEN?
>>728793082I may or may not have purchased that skin.
>>728795921>>728796219Yeah, you can only pre-order the new one now, which includes the first expansion. So you can play the first expansion now if you pre-order the new one.
>you can play the new seasons without the expansion, but you miss out on skill points, runes, and the ability to craft mythicsThis sounds like a fucking phone game.
>>728748129poe2 is good. this board is unironically infested with blizzard shills that come out every time blizzard has a new product that needs pre-ordering. all my past dialbo 4 threads never got replies but now these thread get hundreds. funny how that works.
>>728797727>you can play the new seasons without the expansion, but you miss out on skill points, runes, and the ability to craft mythicsElaborate?
>>728797919literally this
>>728748403Is D4’s good story in the room with us right now?
>>728797919Remember that everyone who disagrees with you is a paycheck receiving shill. The recent D4 threads couldn't have anything to do with a popular class recently released. NOT A POSSIBILITY AT ALL. You and me, we're the only smart ones here. We are so smart.
>>728761394You just need to buy the Paladin version of the BDSM armor that shows off Lady Pally's curves and adds a leather Nun's habit for extra kink.
Diablo 4 is fucking dogshit. What the fuck has this board even come to allowing indians to shill shitty blizzard games nonstop... I bet gookmoot is in on it, gets a cut from microsoft for allowing this trash nonstop.
>>728747980Why is the campaign so easy? Nothing can kill me and even bosses die in 5 seconds or less. I'm playing on Expert because I can't unlock Penitent without finishing this broken campaign. It's taken all the fun out of playing I just want to get it over with. Very frustrating that I'm not able to crank the difficulty up.
>>728799125Source? This might actually convince me to buy the game mr. Shill since I love nuns.
D1>pay once to obtain full gameD2>pay once to obtain full contentD3>pay once and obtain full contentD4>6 (SIX) expansions planned (3 for Prime Evils, each with preceding introductory expansion to ''main'' one): +/- 350$>countless cosmetics locked behind paywall. Freely available stuff looks literally like crap, You want cool stuff? Pay up.>battle pass>predatory (yup) microtransaction design (it's really easy to accidentally button tap purchase battle pass)And people GOBBLE that up. Fuck the gaymers, if I was Blizzard, I would pump up those prices by 100% and you would still be buying up.
diablo 4 is the only diablo i've enjoyed as someone new to the series and i don't give a shit
>>728799425being planned expansion doesn't mean anything. d3 necro was supposed to come with its own expansion but they canned it and just released the class as a small dlc
>>728797919poe 2 is not good lol. Melee especially is fucking horrible, its clunky and slow as shit. I guess its fine if you prefer to play a caster or ranged?
>>728799678Diablo was my first online game, and I've enjoyed all four of the main games (I have no intention of playing the mobile game). It might be worth it for you to go back and try the others, but I expect that it might be hard to go back, especially to the first one as it is quite slow by today's standards. Top-fucking-tier atmosphere though, to this day.
should I do it? There is nothing else I want and it seems like I can get this for good value with a mix of vouchers and only have to pay £30 of my own money.
>>728799678>I'm a fucking retard, don't know anything but let me tell you that you're all wrong and this is great!Ok just fuck off
>>728801158>ultimate editionwhy
>>728801158just get standard
>>728801297gives me the expansion, some cool looking transmog shit and it's very cheap because of vouchers
>>728748129>torchlight 2Comparable to grim dawn!?
>>728799425What the fuck is 'battle pass' and what is it for?
Can I play d4 offline and alone?
>>728801405>some cool looking transmog retard>and it's very cheapretard
>>728801648no
>>728801648you can play alone but not offline
>>728754814Didn't they say that the next D4 expack will be its last? If anything I feel royally fucked over by them including the current expack with the upcoming one
>>728747980Sorry that you were awful?
>>728798387i made threads about the first expansion just a few weeks after it had been out tryuing to actually talk about the game. it kept archiving with 10 or less replies. explain that.
>>728801951I've seen it theorized that they are doing 2x expansion per prime evil so we're on the 2nd Mephisto one now. 2x for Baal next and then 2x for Diablo after that. D4 is meant to be an ongoing game
>>728801405that expansion is liquid dogshit btw.
>>728801405>useless shit>and it's very cheapGood goy.
>>728801217>let me tell you that you're all wrongi literally didn't
>>728802156>>728801659>>728801379you have successfully bullied me into not getting it, as I should have been. I will just get the standard so I get the other expansion plus the paladin class
>>728802236you shouldn't support their shitty cosmetic shit
>>728752609That's just Dynasty Warriors with random loot, sounds perfectly feasible.
>>728801537you have to play a certain amount of time to unlock rewards, and if you want extra rewards, you have to buy the premium version (which you are still forced to play to unlock)you have to do this every season to get everything, so a lot of D4's playercount and income are not even from people necessarily enjoying the game, but from people who are afraid of feeling like they will miss out on something forever
>>728748403>Slow combat with endgame, Exile.Poop2 doesn't have endgame
>>728802081Oh okay. I'll be sure to keep in mind not to buy the next expansion as well as the following and the one after, etc since apparently there's no incentive for me to do so as I get all the previous shit by buying the latest. This woweqsue approach to releasing major content for sale sucks donkey dong and will only bury this game further. Shame, I was hoping for a RoS-like renaissance.
>>728801537a grind for rewards that a psychologist has determined will make you more likely to spend extra money.it's insidious shit, and sadly an industry standard.
buy an ad maye
Okay you win blizzshills. Spiritborn thighs got me acting unwise.
>>728803836cool now do the femdruid.
