>>728748673
If anything, this would mean House was smart enough to not risk his real self on that Golden Throne like capsule, and instead he has kept using doubles to fulfill his goals while keeping himself perfectly safe and immortal with cryo and stuff
That even makes him be kinda like Dr. Doom, idk why are you crying over it

>>728748673
Capitalism is bad you fuckin chuddie this is political

>>728748673
Only normgroids watch tv shows so who cares

>>728748673
who the fuck cares
nobody with any standards is watching the show

>>728748673
Nobody fucking cares, anon
New Vegas' story was barely even started. Avellone even admitted with another 'ten dlc we couldn't have finished the story'

>>728750681
Ten more DLC and all of them are just Ulysses yapping about how he wants a bear to be his bull or whatever.

>>728748673
Unironically who cares about Fallout anymore? Chances are all of us will look like Todd Howard when a new Fallout even hits pre-production

>>728748673
Remember how the NCR and a massive chunk of the Eastern US got shitstomped by a bunch of retards with spears wearing middle school football pads who don't use any medication or advanced technology?
Fallout: New Vegas raped Fallout's lore.

You wrote all of that and nobody cares.

>>728751050
Didn't the NCR just recover from the mutual ass rape at Helios One?

>>728751050
The NCR crushed the Legion during the First Battle of Hoover Dam and the events of the game are the Legion staging for a second attempt after getting so BTFO on the first attempt Caesar lit his second-in-command on fire and tossed him into a canyon.

>>728748673
Are they really introducing mind control shit? That's right below time travel in terms of things that ruin lore.
>Caesar was mind controlled!
>father Elijah was mind controlled!
They're gonna use it to ruin at least one other good villain.

>>728748673
It would be surprising if show didn't try to rape lore this time

>>728751463
You just can't go back and go "yoinks sikes" for an established premise. Like you just can't go "actually The Riddler was mind controlled for years and is actually a body double and the real Riddler is elsewhere". It means the story and time invested in the character is just wasted, and you're jerking around the audience.

>>728751050
the final boss of the Legion and the guy whose supposed to be super spooky is running around in heavy impractical shaped metal armor and a metal mask that would fuck his ability to see while using a car bumper as a sword
Lanius is a joke who would get popped by any NCR grunt with an okay caliber of gun

If Fallout never existed as a franchise and this was some new IP this show would be a like an 8/10 on average. Why do they alwasy have to take an already established thing and shove they're own bullshit into it? I'm so tired boss.

>>728748673
tv show and game continuity isn't the same thing. Cortana isn't a cuck all of a sudden in halo just because of what happened in the show

>>728751656
Lanius is clearly super human, and it's implied that post-apocalypse humans are sometimes bigger and stronger than pre-war people. The guy is about 7 feet tall, very fast, and wields strong metal armor and a sword without any kind of powered armor assistance.

He's about as strong in lore as he's shown, and yes you could get some guys to gun him down but it'd take like 5 elites with high powered weapons.

>>728751802
>it's implied that post-apocalypse humans are sometimes bigger and stronger than pre-war people
where?

>>728751759
I mean, Todd did just say the other day that the next Fallout game will build off the lore these shows establish. Not that I take that too seriously, F5 is likely so far away that if there's any serious backlash Bethesda can easily walk back that statement, or just ignore it entirely.

>NVtrannies now suddely hate the show
LOL

>>728751463
It's hilarious how the show just completely misunderstands the central premise of the games are
>humans are naturally driven to conflict with each other, regardless of ideology or nationality or whatever else
And the show has done absolutely every single thing it can to undermine that premise.
>the Great War? That wasn't a natural consequence of the development of nuclear bombs and an inevitability that the two great empires of the pre-War world would eventually miscalculate and blow everything up, it was actually a small cabal of rich people that intentionally planned that out
>oh btw a pre-War commie scientist developed a source of unlimited electricity, lol there was no reason for war if not for the evil vault-tec!
>and by the way literally every single destructive thing that happens in this narrative is invariably the result of individual characters and their actions and never the consequence of societal forces
I have zero doubt it will turn out that Lanius has a mind control chip or something in him and that the current Legion is a Vault-Tec operation or something retarded like that, because the idea that an amoral empire could organically form because that's what humans naturally tend towards is silly, actually it was (((Vault-Tec))).

>>728751802
>anon probably things actual knights in plate armor could barely move and that games accurately portray them fighting as taking 10-45 seconds just to swing a giant sword

>>728751603
Which means that's exactly what the show will do. Mind control in fiction has developed the reputation for doing exactly what you described for a long time.
>the villain wasn't evil, he was just mind controlled by the *real* villain!

>>728748673
New Vegas (the game) was the final send off to real Fallout fans. All the DLC point to this fact since they're themed around letting go.

>>728748673
Option 3 where Cooper botches the assassination, forcing House to put himself into the cyro pod/computer but he does have body doubles till the bombs drop, then have lackeys after the bombs.

>>728751603
You say that, but they did literally do something similar with the Joker. In fact, that kind of shit is hilariously common in capeshit media.

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>>728748673
Here is what I predict the shills will do
>nothing happened everything still fits with the continuity of the games nv fans are so whiny
>who cares NV was always shit it doesn’t matter
>no it makes sense see this ending implies that this would happen anyway
>okay it’s a bit different but they’re just taking creative liberties and besides Todd said that nothing was out of the ordinary and all happens the same
>HAHAHA ITS OVER NV IS GONE AND BETHESDA WON

>>728751910
The fact that assholes are running around with heavy weapons with ease. NCR Heavies are wearing metal armor, heavy weapons, and their suits aren't even powered. Lanius is another superman running around.

They never say it outright, but since radiation is making animals mutated, it might make people mutated too. The funny part is that despite the kivetching by the Enclave and The Master, Wastelanders seem to be better adapted to the wastes and thriving.

>>728751996
The Fallout metal armors are not neat, trimmed, plate mail they're think awkward slabs.

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>>728752104
That is Batman Arkham City with Clayface, Batman Resurrection book, and Metal Gear Solid V.

>>728751965
Fucking exactly. Not to mention one of the big themes of New Vegas is how to/how should humans be organized. The personal visions of House, Caesar, the NCR, Fathers Elijah, Ulysses, etc. don't really feel compelling when you can just inject people with mind control chips.

>>728752131
so the shills are russians? TZD can't happen quick enough

>Tranny Vegas has nothing to do with DEI or Reddit! It’s a good game!

>this show

>You were accidentally right!!

>>728751603
But that's /co/shit media.Which is and always will be far below the bottom of the barrel.

>>728751936
Kill yourself, dalit.

>>728752104
>You say that, but they did literally do something similar with the Joker. In fact, that kind of shit is hilariously common in capeshit media.

Yes, and that's exactly why everyone with any sense stopped caring about DC/Marvel comics. Too many retcons, too much nonsense and asspulls.

>would take 10 more dlcs to tell the story

I bet you anything if they had kept Obsidian making a yearly DLC for the last 10 years it'd still have sold pretty well.

Calm down. NCR is still around and kicking. It was always implied that either House or Legion will win anyway.
NCR was proven time and time again that IT. WILL. COLLPASE.

>>728752201
>one of the big themes of New Vegas is how to/how should humans be organized
the big theme is that all the factions are all wrong because they hold onto the past and actually anarchy is better than any of them
bear bull bear bull
learn to let go
etc etc etc

>the ncr is still around and kicking
This fanfiction version that they are pretending is west coast minutement? Not the in game core version with infrastructure and commodities and qol in several cities that span a large chunk of california? yeah, not good enough amazon. Do better, be better

>>728752345
>Calm down. NCR is still around and kicking
You mean the handful of retarded LARPers that the show calls the NCR? Meanwhile their Heartland is a complete shithole.

>>728748673
The H&H salesman guy isnt house lol hes not even a body double.

>>728751050
Remember how the Roman legion and a massive chunk of the Roman empire got shitstomped by a bunch of retards with spears wearing animal skins who don't use any medication or advanced technology?
Ancient history raped Earth's lore.

>>728752469
I'm not sure I necessarily agree, but even if that's true then mind control ruins it. After all, just inject the people who are wrong with chips and make them do the right thing! The lore is solved!

>>728748673
>TL;DR THEY ARE HEAVILY IMPLYING THAT THE HOUSE IN FALLOUT: NEW VEGAS IS A FUCKING BRAINWASHED BODY DOUBLE
I didnt get that from EP1, the body double was used pre-war and there's no indication that he was used after
You've got to remember that while Vault Tec cryostasis might have been a better option, House would likely not trust Vault Tec to manage his immortality and he's far more likely to have wanted an active role at all times so he went with the option we see in FNV

>>728752529
The most retarded part is that no one mentions The Hub which predates Shady Sands and is arguably more important than it when it comes to things like commerce and trade. And since they moved Shady Sands to LA that means that The Boneyard is just gone.

>>728752345
NCR trannies are manchildren who can't accept the change and letting go(lol) of their childhood progress from 1&2.
even LegionCHADs always knew that Caesar's Empire will fall into civil war too but we stand firm to Caesar's vision.

>>728752529
>>728752540
I had a whiskey thought. You know how Fallout 3's story was orginally envisioned to take place after like 20 years instead of 200 years? What if they took their retardation and did a backflip, and they wrote the show like it was supposed to take place 200 years in the future?

>>728752690
how do you not agree?
the game, especially all the DLCs, screams it into your face

>>728752345
>Calm down. NCR is still around and kicking. It was always implied that either House or Legion will win anyway.
>NCR was proven time and time again that IT. WILL. COLLPASE.

They retconned the setting to be back to square one of "le wastes".

NCR is done, and only scattered remnants remain. It's just chaos. most of the Mojave is abandoned. Raiders everywhere.

The setting of fallout can't accept progress since it means an end to the setting itself.

The mind control H&H tool salesman is going going ti turn out to be a researcher from Big MT. Its proto lebotomite tech.

>>728751965
Remember when Bethesda showed aliens starting the war in Mothership Zeta...

>>728752469
>actually anarchy is better than any of them
No it’s not, it’s about how they need to learn to adapt and stop larping and following societies of the past to a tee.

>>728752946
Mothership Zeta was just the Lone Wanderer going on a psycho-binge.

>>728752946
I always viewed it like a joke DLC. Was I supposed to take it seriously? Was I coping all those years ago?

>>728752908
>The setting of fallout can't accept progress since it means an end to the setting itself
Wrong, it means that Bethesda has actually do their fucking job and instead of just copy pasting the same generic shit in a sandbox. But depending on how you look at it I suppose that would mean the end of Fallout, and the studio as a whole.

>>728752754
I look at it as a bunch of hollyweird nepotards writing about something they don’t know about and only put in memberberry shit to satiate the soipog consumers.

The overall plan of Vault Tec was to blow up the surface world, indoctrinate and control the vault dwellers so that when they emerge Vault Tec controls everyone and can rebuild society in their image, peaceful but only through mind control etc
House agrees to go along with the plan, but has agents inside Vault Tec (Hank) working to steal the mind control tech so House can use it and essentially do the same thing Vault Tec were going to do but under his control not Vault Tecs

>>728753209
Is this a shitpost attempt? Because I could very much see this happening.

>>728753091
>Wrong, it means that Bethesda has actually do their fucking job and instead of just copy pasting the same generic shit in a sandbox. But depending on how you look at it I suppose that would mean the end of Fallout, and the studio as a whole.

Bethesda has already made it clear that is EXACTLY what they plan to do and they will just reset the world back into the stone age repeatedly.

As I said, the setting of Fallout is in tension with itself. They want the "Adventure" of loads of pre-war tech, but the obvious conclusion is them rebuilding. But then they have to destroy the world again, making any investment into the setting pointless.

>>728753209
>We totally control the world as a shadow cabal of the most powerful people and corporations on Earth
>We should blow up the world to gain total control of it
HURR DURR DUUUUURRR

>>728753283
Its what I can gather is going on after viewing the first season 2 episode

>>728752908
My interest in the setting has nosedived with the show. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but survivalist raider nonsense is the most boring setting possible. Oh wow all of post-war America is a Rust server and nobody can ever get big ever because it means no post-apocalypse. What an engaging setting that has the potential for growth, right? It's not just a wish fulfillment setting for people that hate their 9-to-5 and wife.

>>728753283
>>728753209
It's beyond retarded, but it's been a fan theory that Bethesda is gonna make Vault Tec the ultimate bad-guy of the entire series who orchestrated everything. Bethesda doesn't treat Vault Tec as just part of the background, they make them very much front and center in all their games.

>>728753339
They dont control everyone pre-war though, killing everyone off and microchipping the vault dwellers seems to be what the show is going for

>>728753209
How does that increase profits? They specifically mentioned profits.
>House agrees to go along with the plan, but has agents inside Vault Tec
Why? What about House’s character in NV would indicate he would want that? He has his robots to do shit for him. And anyone else he can just bribe or intimidate.

NVtroons would type paragraphs of meaningless bullshit just to rile themselves up in a tizzy over imaginary slights.

>>728753370
The crazy shit is why not... both? They can have proper settlements but also an untamed and vast "frontier".

>New Fallout set in Cali
>on the edge of NCR land
>a small outpost of 20 NCR soldiers
>other than that, beduin raiders, and mystery shit and scattered settlements

Just keep moving new games into the frontier, periodically have bad things happen to curtail growth of empires.

>>728753318
It sounds like they’re just going to completely fuck the setting to Shartfield levels of generic and no one will be into it.

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>>728753370
I'm reminded that I have this saved. Holy shit The Walking Dead was great for the 1st season and then all downhill.

>>728753056
>I always viewed it like a joke. Was I supposed to take it seriously?
That's the right attitude for everything Bethesda makes.

>>728752131
>>who cares NV was always shit it doesn’t matter
this one, they always do this one

>>728753446
>Why? What about House’s character in NV would indicate he would want that?
Nothing lol, this is show lore remember and as for increasing profits they'd be the only companies on earth with a completely mind controlled worker/consumer base
in the short term the profits take a hit blowing up the world, but if all of humanity after that is their slaves then they'll be richer and more powerful than anyone else on earth

>>728753494
You’re seething over nothing, go cry and be a loser on reddit.

>>728753403
Was the thing about every Vault being intentionally fucked with in some way Bethesda lore or classic lore?

>>728753446
>How does that increase profits? They specifically mentioned profits.

Don't think rationally about it. Notice how the show never mentions China? China is a huge market for Amazon, so they can't anger the Feelings of the Chinese to imply they ended the world. So they just make a vague "evil capitalist corporations did it". The writing room probably thought they were geniuses for creating that solution.

>>728748673
Why did they character Assassinate Mr.House?

>>728748673
I hope you one day find the mental help you so very desperately need.

>>728753591
Classic, because originally the Vaults were meant to get experimental populations by way of false alarm to gather data for the actual survival shelters for the Enclave. But, well, the bombs dropped first.

>>728753591
The idea started with 2 but it was grounded stuff like "what if we put a bunch of differing cultures together in one vault".
Bethesda ran away with the concept and just made them all le wacky experiment shit.

>>728753513
>It sounds like they’re just going to completely fuck the setting to Shartfield levels of generic and no one will be into it.

Did you not notice Fallout 3 and Fallout 4? They were big hit games that sold a lot and no one cared. They see Fallout as a rollercoaster of set pieces and a set of formulaic features to use over and over again.

Fallout 5 will be The Good Guys, The Wasteland, The Bad Guys, Raiders, Power Armor, Vault Tec, Nuka Cola, 50s Americana, etc. You can write a Bethesda Fallout storyline in your sleep.

Nerd "world building" is a minority in the overall Fallout Fanbase.

>>728753567
>as for increasing profits they'd be the only companies on earth with a completely mind controlled worker/consumer base
Robots are more efficient and less retarded. Which is why House’s actual plan relies on upgrading their OS.
>in the short term the profits take a hit blowing up the world
The money that they would have earned is fucking useless. And who the fuck would they even mind control? They would have to chip people and who the fuck are they going to send out to do that? Their army of sheltered dipshits? The fucking Enclave that’s been btfo like twice?

>>728753575
>no you are seething
lmao NVtroon

I'm about to start FNV soon. Wht's the canon route?

>>728753746
>Did you not notice Fallout 3 and Fallout 4? They were big hit games that sold a lot and no one cared
That was over a decade ago, people are getting sick of this shit. These fucks have been rereleasing Skyrim for nearly 2 decades and the shitty Anniversary edition of 4 came and went. The spell is broken. It’s fucking over and they don’t have the talent to make anything good. Only the most loyal retards will buy and defend their trash and they’re not enough.

>>728748673
Ignore this show in its entirety.
Stop making new threads about it.
Only Fallout 1, 2 and NV are canon.

>>728753715
you act like Obsidian did any better with shit like "lol what if the Vegas vault was entirely based around gambling?"

>>728753793
Go shove a dick up your ass for vishnu faggot. Your copes failed years ago.

>>728753916
Don't destroy the Kings.
Kick Khan ass.
Join House or Legion.
Rape NCR.
Done.

>>728753753
>Robots are more efficient and less retarded
Robots cost materials to make in a world that fought a nuclear war over scarce resources
Humans reproduce naturally and if they only need to chip a few people to rule over them then it could work out far cheaper
>They would have to chip people and who the fuck are they going to send out to do that?
They have all the people they need locked up in vaults, genetically pure and primed for indocrination and if necessary mind control. After they nuke the surface and kill the rest of the population, all that remains will be their indocrinated mind controlled goyim

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>Microscopic mind control chips, clunky retro robots and perfect synthetic humanoids with sentient AI
This setting is completely fucked beyond belief.

>>728751050
What advanced technology did the Vandals and Goths have?

>>728753967
It’s literally just an experiment where every issue is settled based on chance. And gambling would be an organic way of having that play out.

>>728753967
That was really the only wacky one in New Vegas.

>>728754112
>actual cthulhu magic
>immortality through cthulhu magic
>ghosts
>psychics

>>728754112
Yeah, I always thought that a running theme of the series is that the pre-war civilization is kind of like some 50s sci-fi shit and they had tech that was advanced compared to us but it was quite clunky and inefficient. It wasn't cool cyberpunk ninjas who could teleport and be cool, it was some Rob the Robot retard waving his arms around firing lasers.

I always thought a design element that worked as a roughness, and lack of refinement to their tech.

There's a big overlap with old Star Wars, which was somewhat similar. They had "Droids" but they were clunky and retarded.

All this is lost on Bethesda, and makes tech that's sleak and cool and neat and actually works right.

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>>728753916
Kill NCR
Kill Legion
Kill House
Free Vegas

>>728754276
when the Courier dies in some stupid way like adventurers are wont to do, Yes Man is going to to all "kill all humans"

>>728754105
>Robots cost materials to make in a world that fought a nuclear war over scarce resources
What materials? Metal? Glass? Uranium? Do you think that industry doesn’t exist within the setting? Because the NCR has multiple companies that produces shit and even have functional cars. Other people especially someone familiar would be able to find a way to set shit up again. Not to mention House already had a whole army big enough to push out the remnants of the Legion and NCR and police the entire region.
>Humans reproduce naturally and if they only need to chip a few people to rule over them
Which would take decades to even begin to give any sort of returns unlike a robot who is ready to go from the factory.
>They have all the people they need locked up in vaults
Which fucking Vaults? Most of them are either abandoned or dead, the idea that there are somehow a shitload of completely undiscovered and unopened vaults left is fucking stupid. Fuck Frog eye’s vault shouldn’t even have people in it. Hank and the other retards should have been turned into mutants back in the 2100s.

>>728751050
Expanding on >>728751442 , the factions are kept on a relatively even keel by exploring the NCR as a civilization that has both stretched itself too thin by trying to expand into the Mojave, but also has no choice but to expand as they've drained all their resources back home to meet the needs of overly powerful brahmin barons. They desperately need to fend off the Legion, but they also have the morale problem of most of their military wondering if the juice is worth the squeeze, not wanting to get strung up on a cross for another patch of dirt.
Overall, New Vegas made the NCR the most interesting it had ever been, with a lot of directions to take how its almost inevitable collapse would play out, but the fucking retards that made the show just said "Shady Sands got nuked and everyone just fucked off."

>>728754196
Bethesda going balls out with the Dunwich shit was such a bizarre decision.
The Dunwich building itself as a one off thing was interesting, just a "wait, what the fuck" moment that could have and should have been brushed off and never acknowledged again in any meaningful capacity. Sometimes there should be no explanation to weird shit.
Realistically though, it should not have been there at all. You can't leave a carrot like that dangling in front of the general public.

>>728753993
speak english retarded trannymutt

>>728754712
That is English, but I’m not surprised a street shitter like you failed to understand it. I wish the Black Death on your family. Go jump in front of a train.

>>728752038
This but actually Fallout 1.

>>728753209
The impression I get was that House was pretending to go along with Vault-Tec's plan but only to ensure Vegas comes out on top at the end, the show still acknowledges that House shot down the nukes coming his way and that's how the city was preserved.

How did nuking Shady Sands literally disintegrate NCR as a faction? was it that important than other big cities like Vault City or Hub?

>>728754869
>That is English
maybe in your pajeet shithole lmao

>>728748673
The doubles are sadistic retards and the real one entombed in the casino is untouched lore-wise, perhaps not even awake yet. That’s the only way they can escape this shit.

>>728754891
Which already contradicts what is shown in the game since he predicted the nukes which is why he was off on getting the Platinum Chip by a day. Him knowing it was going to happen it’s just retarded.

>>728754962
Good question, Anon. I don't fucking know either.

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>>728755012
>NO U SAAARS
Get fucked street shitter. Your skin is the color of the cowshit you worship.

>>728754492
>Yes Man is going to to all "kill all humans"
No, has been outright stated by Sawyer and other writers that was never the intention of Yes man nor does Yes man have the ability to do that

>>728754962
There are many factors to be taken into account.
>being central state for many important official and goverment's body
>many places never wished to join NCR in the first place but were forced to(Ex. New Reno)
>NCR was already in shitstain and only Hoover Dam can save it, if only
It was always doomed to fail

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>>728754962
By the look of things the whole region is fucked and everything is just ramshackle towns full of scavenging morons.

>>728751442
They actually lost the battle at hoover dam, it wasnt until the Legion overwhelmed them that they led them to boulder city and blew it up

So, why are retards pushing the most baseless retarded and wrong theories
You see house pre-war as a human, NEVER post-war
You don't know who the overseer was messaging.
Maybe this is just a marketing ploy

>>728755179
The plan from the jump was to blow up Boulder City buddy, Hanlon specifically spent the fighting on the Dam just holding them while rangers and first recon plinked all their officers so they'd enter Boulder City a disorganized rabble unable to properly rout or handle the sudden trap.

>>728754891
The show derails that theory in the first episode of season 2 where Mr House is going around forcibly testing out the early mind chip tech on the bar patrons lol

>>728755016
If House was aware that another faction was planning to drop bombs then that's just one factor he could control. Which would imply it was another party that wasn't Vault-Tec who was responsible for dropping the nukes.

>>728755281
How retarded are you? That's not Mr. House. Holy fuck. Zoomers are so brain dead.

>>728755102
>no you must talk about pajeets in a fallout thread
kill yourself shitskin

>>728755337
Yes it literally is lol they show him in the chair at the lucky 38 after the credits you mongoloid
the guy in the board meetings is a body double

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>To avoid the difficult and controversial question of what the canon ending of one of the most beloved RPGs ever made is we simply destroyed the entire setting and canonized it to avoid answering it outright, ever
>Enjoy

>>728755408
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>>728748673
>(Potential) Raping
It's been raped.

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>>728755493
Did you even bother watching the episode?

body doubles don't really feel right for a neurotic control freak like Rob
if he felt he could be in danger, I feel like he'd be more likely to send a bot connected to his home PC instead of having some rando wearing his face acting as him

>>728755456
That just means Fallout Dust was canon all along

Don't tell me that Fallout 5 will take place in West-Coast. Todd..... NO....

>>728755145
>being central state for many important official and goverment's body
Ignoring the fact that The Hub was an established and successful settlement as well as a literal hub of trade in the region as well as the origin the bottle cap currency. And that is to say nothing of places like Junktown, Dayglow, Redding, Vault City, and New Reno.
>many places never wished to join NCR in the first place but were forced to(Ex. New Reno)
It’s been nearly half a century since Fallout two and most of these places have become pivotal parts of it and showed no sign of wishing to secede.
>NCR was already in shitstain and only Hoover Dam can save it, if only
No it fucking wasn’t. The best outcome for the NCR is losing since they start looking inward and reforming. The ending even show that with fucking Hanlon even running for senate if you convince him to stop being a doomer.

>>728755350
Keep crying shit ape. It won’t prevent you from being a genetic dead end that is so repulsive even your own women don’t want to fuck you.

>>728755534
Yes

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>>728755537
It's inspired by Howard Hughes, who was known to use body doubles because he was rich and could just do it.
>Hughes was an eccentric man by nature, but many of his “odd” habits were also thinly veiled signs of his struggle with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, paranoia, and anxiety. “L. Wayne Rector was hired around 1955 by the Carl Byoir PR Agency (Hughes’ L.A. PR firm) to act as Hughes’ double,” writes John E. Lewis in Mammoth Books presents Missing Persons and Mysterious Deaths, explaining that Rector continued to “play” Hughes for years, along with another man named Brucks Randell.

>>728755301
What’s said in NV is that he predicts the apocalypse is coming, if he knows who is planning it then that’s not predicting anything and so him not having the chip is retarded.

>>728751463
Yes, the Master, Frank Horrigan, Lanius, Caeser, Elijah, and even Bethesda greats like AntAgonizer were all mind controlled by the Insitute.

>>728755749
Enclave you fake fan shitposter

>>728755803
>It wasn't THAT stupid faction that came up with the retarded plan, it was THIS stupid faction that came up with the retarded plan
The plan is still retarded, retard.

>>728755749
Horrigan pretty much was mind controlled
He was a dumbfuck grunt who turned into a dumbfuck super super mutant grunt who believed whatever his superiors told him to believe

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>>728755456
Reminder there is literally no reason this shit couldn’t have been set on the east coast and they are doing this to fuck the west coast lore and world building.

>>728755873
The "institute" is just a portion of the enclave from the worst written fallout game, wonder why you'd pick them hmm?

>>728755738
Multiple factions were planning to drop the bombs, Vault-Tec, the Chinese, even the Aliens. It's just a question of who dropped them first, if House was off then that means it wasn't Vault-Tec who did it considering he had two insiders keeping tabs on them.

>>728755145
It's still a bridge too far to have the NCR just completely dissolve as though it never existed to begin with. There would still be overbosses in New Reno, actual major oligarchs and brahmin barons in the Hub, or local technocrats in Vault City, as they were self-sufficient city-states just a few decades prior. You'd expect to see dysfunctional city states and military juntas trying to claim the mantle of NCR leadership, more akin to a Roman civil war where the bureaucracies and institutions of the NCR still exist and are divided against each other. The show doesn't depict a post-NCR collapse, it depicts a world where the NCR just never existed at all outside of Shady Sands.

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>>728755524
Incredible that a location that managed to actually be somewhat sprawling for a Gamebryo Engine city has had that limitation taken away... and now looks more like a Bethesda town than ever.

>>728755979
This is my exact thought, they could have just dropped it into Texas (because lol nobody cares about FoBoS lore) or the Southeastern US.

>>728756067
>Multiple factions were planning to drop the bombs, Vault-Tec, the Chinese, even the Aliens
The point is that him knowing that any one was specifically going to do it because he was told at a super secret meeting fucks with what is shown in the game because he says he predicted it and his calculations being off is the entire reason why The Courier had to deliver the chip in the first place. Which makes no fucking sense if he knew that it was going to fucking happen since he would have expedited the chip ASAP.

>>728756067
>It's just a question of who dropped them first
I love how the entire point of the West coast games was that the question of who started it didn't matter at all because it already happened but Bethesda hyperfocuses on it like it's the grand mystery driving the series.

>>728752715
>you don't understand, Chekov only uses his gun for hunting. The reason it's hanging prominently in the shot is just a coincidence
First time I've seen a real media literacy problem in the wild. They introduced mind control, its going to be a plot point

>>728755803
At this point, calling someone a fake fan of Fallout is a compliment. Imagine being a real fan of this garbage.

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>>728756086
There are still pockets of NCR settlements around, I think we see one in the trailer

>>728756248
If he thought vault-tec was gonna falseflag but before that happened (why would the black bitch be at her kids birthday party if they knew) someone else attacked, what exactly was changed?

>>728756384
>why would the black bitch be at her kids birthday party if they knew
She wasn’t Cooper was because he was working it and the daughter was with him.

>>728756352
Thus far California had a single proper NCR settlement, but even that treated the NCR as a bunch of random bums armed with whatever they could find more akin to the Minutemen on the East Coast. The NCR was rolling with a full-blown standardized industrial military. The core conceit that the NCR collapsed isn't the actual problem, that's actually a fairly clear direction the setting was heading towards, it's that the NCR just straight up dissolved away into nothing, even the city-states like Vault City and New Reno, which had decent standards of living, are just gone. Nothing there, all those massive divisions of NCR soldiers led by ambitious generals, all those bureaucrats and scientists in the OSI, the massive collective of engineers that were able to restore Hoover Dam and maintain the reactors in Vault City and Gecko, NGOs like the Followers and the Crimson Caravan, they just ceased to exist instantly. And it seems increasingly unlikely that the show will pull an actual proper NCR rump state out of its ass.

I think at this point we have two rough timelines/canons. 1, 2, FNV and 3, 4, Show.

The 1, 2, FNV canon is about a world wracked by resource scarcity that causes a global nuclear war and the story of the societies that grew from after it

3, 4 and the Show is about the plan of a megalomaniacal corporation in their pursuit to destroy the world while saving a tiny portion of them that they can control whats left of humanity after the rest of the world is killed off

Fallout in its original form was never bethesdas, it was made by interplay and later added to by obsidian. Fallout 3 and everything after has been Bethesda remaking fallout for themselves. I dont think there's any point getting upset at the show or whatever will happen with fallout as a franchise at this point because it fundamentally isnt even the same series. I'll watch out of interest but at the end of the day I have copies of the originals and new vegas so bethesda cant ruin those for me no matter what way the show goes.

>>728756781
They moved Shady Sands to LA so the Followers most likely went with them. Or at least their HQ.

>>728755408
Anon, rematch it. The whole thing is a really heavy handed bait and switch. It's not House.

>>728756352
>members are scattered across the wasteland trying to survive
AHAHAHA THE NCR IS FUCKING DEAD, THEIR GOVERNMENT IS GONE, THEY ARE COMPLETELY BROKEN APART
Holy shit, this TV show is a gift that keeps on giving.

>>728756791
The reason people are mad is because they’re going into they’re fucking with the west. I guarantee no one would give a shit if the show was set in NYC or DC. It would just be more slop. But the reason that people care is specifically because it’s in the areas that they give a shit about and destroying it in the most blatantly hamfisted way possible. Like it’s a very obvious bid for them to get in on the west since they wrote themselves into a corner out east.

>>728757019
you are a dumb turd worlder if you think that this >>728755534 isnt supposed to be the real house
he is shown talking to cooper pre-war in the lucky 38 at the end of the episode

>>728748673
>Raping
oooffh

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I think the show is good for the most part, but what I don't like is the cringey corpofication of the ultimate evil bad guys (Vault Tec). You can tell it's written by very modern and topical writers who have things to say about the current state of the ultra rich and corporate exploitation in america, but it doesn't really fit with what made Fallout originally.

The setting of Fallout was never about capitalism vs communism specifically, it was just about imperialism in general and how societies use ideology as a bludgeon against their enemies. It doesn't really matter that America represented capitalism and that China represented communism, what mattered is that those two societies used their ideologies to expand their imperialistic desires and create enemies. This is explored in a thousand different ways in the games with different factions repping different ideologies, but ultimately they were all doing the same thing by creating conflicts with anyone who didn't agree with them so they could start wars and expand their influence.

>>728755670
NTA but man, these guys cant even follow a simple story like this. The shows story is as simple as a children's book but people keep getting hung up on obvious shit. We have anons claiming House uses a body double and shit lol
Like, where the fuck are they getting this from? What's wrong with everyone, was it covid? Did the vaxx melt their brains or what?

>>728757227
>I think the show is good for the most part
Why?

>>728756946
These were massive organizations. There'd still be Followers operating outside of Shady Sands, just like there'd still be Crimson Caravan bosses, large detachments of NCR troops, teams of highly experienced engineers and scientists, bureaucrats and local politicians, etc. People that could reorganize logistics, keep things running, and maintain a rump state that still had a quality of life comparable to what it had with Shady Sands. Like for christsake the show has a location called "the Govermint" like the people in California just instantaneously regressed into the absolute most primitive state and collectively forgot how to read. The show is entirely unaware of the fact that the NCR was more comparable to an empire spanning across the entirety of California made up of multiple individual cities and communities, and the destruction of Shady Sands would be more akin to if you were to blow up DC. There would be chaos and devastation, but there would still be governance and industry throughout much of the former NCR territory.

>>728757145
Why are you retarded

>fallout was never a commentary on capitalism
really dude

>>728757134
Bethesda owns the IP, they're going to borrow and use things from the interplay/obsidian fallout because fans like them
I dont like Bethesda writing over the originals and they'll inevitably make some terrible lore decisions but what point is there being upset about it? This has happened to countless series, books, games etc and canon is such a meaningless statement.
You have 1, 2 and New Vegas and Bethesda cant physically go back and ruin that series of games for you. They can only bastardise them for their own lore.
I'll watch the show and enjoy picking apart all the dumb shit but in reality I dont care, Bethesda fallout is its own thing at this point

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>>728756791
It's not that Bethesda is forcible contorting the series to fit its mold, it's that by canonizing the show you shut the door on the west coast, otherwise you can easily brush off the Bethesda entries like people have been doing for 15 years now. Everything 1, 2, and New Vegas was working towards is undone in one fell swoop by a glorified spin-off made by people that never played the games.
You can't go back to it, you can't ever see the direction post-New Vegas was heavily implying and the societal fallout that could come from it. The characters and factions you grew to know from the onset of the series are gone, dead and buried or twisted in such an intense way they don't even resemble the faction of old. Even in the miracle scenario where old Obsidian gets back together for another ride they can't simply undo all the damage the show has done to the setting.

I knew we weren't ever going to get a proper continuation of West coast Fallout, but there was a small piece of me that held out hope because the possibility was technically there if only Betheshart stayed in their lane on the East coast. The show just stamped that out. 1, 2, and New Vegas are the only ones we are ever going to have. The series ended with New Vegas, it just took a decade and a half for it to stop breathing.

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>>728757251
It's because the US government actually controls 4chan now, they turned the kids retarded

>>728757373
you are a sub 40 IQ shit eating indian if you think the house in the board meeting and the elevator is the real house. Its clearly Justin Theroux's character

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>>728757465
Bodied that freak

>>728757465
>co-creator
Let's ignore the entire pre-war resource wars driven by hyper capitalism

>>728757251
People are following it, it’s just dogshit. There is so much trash to sift through that you end up with a mess all around you. I mean it doesn’t just fuck with the west coast lore but shit Bethesda established. Fucking cuckimus’ tranny friend tried to harm itself because it didn’t want to fight but the BOS has noncombatant roles and has since the fucking first game. Not to mention the ranks are all fucked. Oh and the time the bombs fell is all messed up since in 4 they dropped at 9am and Cooper is shown to be at a party when they fell. Who the fuck holds a kids birthday party at 6AM on a Saturday? Nothing about this shit has any thought beyond the laze shit the writers want people to look at and even that is horrid.

>>728757524
>capitalism is when nations require resources

>>728754176
It was wacky but tame by comparison with Bethesda’s bullshit vaults.
>V101 is just V13 again
>A Vault full of people called Gary
>A vault with hallucinogenic drugs pumped into the air supply
>A Vault where kids are killed, have their organs and DNA harvested, then re-cloned and repeat
>The fucking drug vault where all dwellers relapse into their drug addictions after going years without them but also having a machine that permanently cures drug addictions in the exact same fucking vault.

>>728757439
>it's that by canonizing the show you shut the door on the west coast
I hate to break it to you mate but the west coast era of 1,2 and New Vegas is over, you are in the era of Bethesda fallout now. We arent ever going back to those titles outside of Bethesda using the odd thing or two from those games
And nothing was undone, you still have those games and can play them and enjoy them for what they are. Bethesda isnt going to send hit squads out to your house to take them away from you.

>>728757227
>You can tell it's written by very modern and topical writers who have things to say about the current state of the ultra rich and corporate exploitation in america, but it doesn't really fit with what made Fallout originally.
The show was created by the couple who made Westworld, a series that was also very conspiracy-brained and went far up its own ass with the deepest lore backstories and batshit plot twists that were only there because Reddit figured out the plot.

>>728757590
im not arguing with a brain broken zoomer

>>728757428
They’re not borrowing they’re punching a whole into the entire west coast setting.
>they'll inevitably make some terrible lore decisions but what point is there being upset about it
Because every single lore thing they have added to the west has been dogshit. So far nothing this show has done has improved or built on anything and has just destroyed shit and replaced it with the most generic garbage. Just because they own it doesn’t mean I won’t call them out for it. If you don’t care then don’t try to justify this bullshit.

Based Todd bashing obsidiansisies and neo vagina troons. FO was never about rebuilding, it was always about surviving and relive the horrors of humans' actions.
Not some wacky trooms still wanting to have more estrogen and democracy in middle of nuclear shithole.

>>728757710
>socialist folds the moment he encounters opposition

>>728757830
>sports team
kek you're such a brainlet

>>728754585
>Sometimes there should be no explanation to weird shit
I cannot stress how much this point is needed more in fictional media in general. Mass Effect still pisses me off in this regard with the Reapers origin in that one DLC from ME3.

>>728757524
The Sino-American War literally started because China invaded Alaska. Your statement is just wrong on its face, even the Bethesda Fallouts with their excessive emphasis on pre-War America treat their critiques of capitalism more as goofy one-off jabs at "look at how funny this consumerist state was, selling cereal branded with nuclear bombs lol!" while capitalism doesn't actually play a major role in the plot of Fallout 3 or 4. Fallout was never created as a series meant to "critique capitalism".

>>728757846
>she watches super-ball to smash-the-fash

>>728757503
Why the fuck do you think that guy is House?? He said he admires House, he shills H&H tools and said they payed for the mind control chip. From that you've concocted a big story that hes House and uses a body double for TV. You see him sitting in houses chair saying "You've come here to kill me" and that solidifies him being House in your opinion? Not some enclave/vault tech asshole that wanted to mind control House and root through his shit, but that solidifies him AS being House and that the house you see everywhere is a body double so the real House can get off on being punched in the face and blowing up people's heads for no reason. You actually think this? What is wrong with you, why are you like this?

>>728757824
Fuck street shitter, you keep crying tranny whenever you get btfo. Go back to rimming Todd’s asshole and spending what little you make shilling on atom shop credits,

>>728757705
It all makes sense now, season 1 of Westworld was great. Damn shame it kept going after that.

>>728757721
Sure its dogshit but its going to be dogshit, its Bethesda bastardising the west coast setting, which is exactly why I dont care. Its Bethesdas fallout not the originals and to me they arent even the same series. I'll just go back to playing 1, 2 and FNV and pay it no mind

Its fun to play the games and watch the show and nitpick all the dumb shit they do with the setting but at the end of the day I dont see any point to get upset about it. This has been the direction they've been taking the series since Fallout 3, a game that released in 2008. I dont intend on sitting around being pissed at bethesda fallout when I've realised it was over 17 years ago. Its like dead money man you have to let go

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>>728757365
Because it fits the aesthetic well, has funny over the top gore that reminds me of the death animations from Fallout 1, funny dark humor (when it's not being reddit quirkslop), and it makes neat soulful additions that add to the setting in a positive way (one I really liked was how Vault 33 only has one wedding dress, where all the girls who wear it write their names in it). It also has a shitload of references to the original games that shows there's at least a few people who made it that care. The fact that they mentioned West Tek at all makes it kinda legit.

I can give the writing a pass because it's a different medium and nobody should really give a fuck about the deeplore stuff in a TV show. Who cares, TV is just base entertainment made for eating popcorn and scratching your balls to.

Who cares? Fallout lore was always a clusterfuck, and there hasn't been a good Fallout game in 15 years. The IP is dead.

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>>728757925
>Why the fuck do you think that guy is House??
No idea man it truly is a mystery that the guy who looks identical to house in FNV has been casted as Robert House

Based Todd

>>728753916
Kill everyone and make a true mojave wasteland

>>728748673
>tv show
>canon
wat?

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>>728748673
A
>It's Anthony House
>For some fucking reason he's breached his paranoid brother's defenses and took his identity
>Mr. House in New Vegas was Anthony Stark All along

B
>House sent a decoy to the meeting because....
>House takes on Handsome Jack's trait of having body doubles working for him at all times

Retarded no matter how you path it.

>>728757997
>Because it fits the aesthetic well
No it doesn’t, it’s just shallow bullshit and utterly generic shit.
>has funny over the top gore that reminds me of the death animations from Fallout 1
The gore looks like ass and I know you mentioned Fallout 1 specifically because you think it’s going to make you look more legitimate when you haven’t played the game.
>inb4 yes I have
Red Rider, what significance does that have?
>funny dark humor (when it's not being reddit quirkslop)
It’s reddit quirk slop.
>and it makes neat soulful additions that add to the setting in a positive way
Nothing added in this shitty show has been positive to the setting and that retarded triple vault shouldn’t even exist which you would be aware of if you played Fallout 1.
>also has a shitload of references to the original games
No it fucking doesn’t, it basically just has Shady Sands and the rest is just butchered and destroyed.
>I can give the writing a pass because it's a different medium
Why would that give it a pass? Shit writing is shit writing no matter what medium it’s in.

>>728757609
>A Vault full of people called Gary
To be fair, 108 wasn't even Vault-Tec's fault and had zero connection to the actual test they were running. The setup was to leave all jobs unassigned with the Overseer doing all that while the Overseer was a guy with cancer that would kill him and the power supply was set to be insufficient long term with only a ton of weapons and nothing to keep the people distracted and entertained.
The place's scientists just got bored and made a bunch of clones of a guy named Gary that kept getting more and more violent towards non-clones with each iteration.

>>728758229
Yes it does the set design is goated
Why is it im almost certain you still support trump despite this having nothing to do with politics

Reminder, Todd invites Obsidian devs to watch the show which mean it's canon and devs approved of it.
Todd won.

>>728757986
You do seem to care because you’re pushing really hard for others to not care and just resign th fact that nothing will ever get better and we have to accept that. Which is defeatist bullshit because NV was made and there are still people making Fallout content to this day. Just because a corporation is retarded doesn’t mean the IP has to be forever tainted especially since times change, giants collapse, and IPs change hands all the time.

>>728758271
>Yes it does the set design is goated
It was dogshit, generic ruins and shitty ramshackle towns.
>Why is it im almost certain you still support trump despite this having nothing to do with politics
Because you have have to make it seem like you’re trolling because you can’t argue 90% of the shit I said.

>>728752131
Dude like the majority of the early posts IN THIS THREAD posted stuff like that.

>>728758412
And the ones after posted the rest that hadn’t been said before.

>>728758320
Interplay are dead, Obsidian will never be given the ability to make another fallout game and given their recent track record I doubt it would even be good if they did. You live in fantasy land if you think you're getting some kind of miracle revival of the ideas and themes that made the original series games so good.

What do you elect to do then, spam endless threads whining and complaing about the dumb shit the dumb shit company did? Its been 17 years since fallout 3, this shit isnt changing move the fuck on

The thing that irks me the most are the Great Khans still being active in the Mojave.
Every one of their endings is either dying, being assimilated, or fucking off to Wyoming or Idaho. They cease to exist in the Mojave in every ending.
>Gee Bill, living the free and easy nomad life up here in open country is pretty great but you know what I've been thinking lately?
>I don't know Ted, what have you been thinking lately?
>I've been thinking that I really, really want to live in that dinosaur my grandpappy saw all the way back in Nevada.
>Shoot Ted, I'll go grab the boys.

>>728758396
so im right lol

I am wondering why Microsoft didn't just get Obsidian to do Fallout 5 instead of Outer Worlds 2, they already owned both Bethesda and Obsidian by 2021 right?

Lots of complaints already about the lack of content to tie into show's hype as its airing aside from Fallout 76 events.

>>728757661
>Bethesda isnt going to send hit squads out to your house to take them away from you
They could easily have those games delisted from Steam, GOG, etc. if they really wanted and given how retarded they are I’m inclined to believe this is something in the realm of possibility. But what’s even more retarded is that Microsoft has allowed Todd to keep his position at Bethesda when Starfield flopped and that they haven’t produced a new Elder Scrolls or Fallout game in a decade.

>>728758508
You can buy the original media or pirate copies for yourself if you're really that worried

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>>728758229
Cool man, you just replied to my post and just said "nuh uh" 10 times in a row. Thanks for the attempt at discussion, you'll get the hang of it in the future.

>>728758270
But why the fuck did the vault need cloning tech in the first place if it wasn’t related to the experiment?

>>728758508
Bethesda is shit but credit where it's due, they aren't that anti-consumer.
Any other modern company would have nuked the original Oblivion off the face of the Earth after the Remaster.

>>728758083
You fell for it xD omg that's great

>>728748673
>raping of lore
That was already clear a year ago

>>728748673
mods will fix it

I bet you wouldn't seethe this much if the show drop an info that NCR is still around and whole like back in 2 and NV.
you trannies are just mad that NCR is gone as a faction.

>>728758480
The Khans are literally a bunch of violent druggie raider retards. They're only that half-step above the Fiends because they don't sample the product as much.
Some group splintering off and taking over Novac doesn't seem too out of the realm of possibility.

>>728758320
>Just because a corporation is retarded doesn’t mean the IP has to be forever tainted
Tell that to Star Wars post 2015 and Tolkien’s works post mid 2010s Hobbit films.

>>728758636
Because cloning is cool, NERD

>>728758684
>you're just mad they wasted a major element of the setting, I bet if they didn't waste that element you'd like it more
Yeah, probably.

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>NCR is ashes
>Brother is now the major power, coast to coast

Because to them NCR = Murica = GOOD GUYS

>>728758476
That which is not dead may eternal lie, and the way the industry is going no company is safe from stagnation and decline. Fucking Ubisoft had to sell 25% of their IPs just this year. Acting like it can’t happen to anyone is delusional. These companies are not indestructible. It may not be this year, five years, or in the next ten but these companies will fall and their IPs will be up for grabs.
>What do you elect to do then, spam endless threads whining and complaing about the dumb shit the dumb shit company did
Yeah, it’s better than just giving up and being a faggot that pretends he doesn’t care while telling everyone to stop calling the retarded shit out.

>>728758684
Ironically no. NCR is still alive, just in struggle. The REAL damage is Mr. House is objectively a bad person in this show. In one episode they destroyed the entire reputation of a single faction leader. Any who picks house is basically wrong now no matter how you spin it.

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>>728748673
>THE REAL HOUSE IS SOME ELON MUSK TIER LARP CAPITALISM LE BAD SADISTIC FREAK, IT IS OVER
did you really expect him to be this mummified cuck?

THE. HOUSE. ALWAYS. WINS.

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>>728758684
>you wouldn't be mad if it was good
That's so true, you really made me think.

>>728758556
Already do. Never trusted digital media and most of mine is physical

>>728758638
I did have to check that the original was still available unlike other games like the original Dark Souls, certain Sonic games, etc. and you are right on that front anon. Still doesn’t make me any less skeptical though with what modern gaming fuckery is and looks like.

>>728758574
>Cool man, you just replied to my post and just said "nuh uh" 10 times
You’re only saying that because you’re a manchild that can’t give a counter argument or defend anything you said. So now you have to get passive aggressive like a redditor.

>>728758684
>Dropped an info

>>728752946
I don't mean to come across as an apologist but fallout always had tongue in cheek joke content. If it's separable enough and they get the tone right it's not a problem. The stuff where Bethesda thinks they aren't being stupid is the problem

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>>728758861
I can only argue if you make a counterpoint, which you didn't

>>728758713
Literally nothing prevents a someone from just retconning the shitty movies and media out of existence and starting from scratch. The idea that everything has to work around the giant retard that screams and cries all day is just dumb. It’s fiction, you can just start over and pretend it never happened.

>>728758815
>Mr. House is objectively a bad person in this show
House was always an amoral prick
he fucked the Vault out of their Vault, he set up a bunch of the worst kinds of tribals to run his casinos and booted all the other poors out, he's perfectly happy to sabotage or kill anyone who gets in his way, etc etc
House might be the smartest guy in any given room, but he also only ever cares about House

>>728758705
It couldn't have happened after New Vegas, they would have needed to willingly go back to the Mojave for whatever reason.
The whole story arc of the Khans in NV is that they were finally reaching beyond their violent druggie raider retard phase and establishing a true tribal culture. Regressing and going back to the area where you have gotten your shit rocked previously and will continue to get your shit rocked even harder by literally every faction is stupid and makes no sense.

>mr house was le good
lmao

>>728758953
>Make your own canon
>C0DA from Elder Scrolls is hated by the fandom for doing this
If one tries this they'd be banned off any platform for becoming an irritance.

>>728758946
>I can only argue if you make a counterpoint
I did, you’re pretending they don’t exist because you can’t argue them. For instance I said “Nothing added in this shitty show has been positive to the setting and that retarded triple vault shouldn’t even exist which you would be aware of if you played Fallout 1.” and you have nothing but crying that it’s just “nu uh”
>inb4 it is
It’s not, it’s a whole explanation saying that you’re wrong and how giving an example from the show. You want to turn this in to a retarded battle of attrition? Go ahead faggot. I deal with retards like you every fucking often since you infest this board like roaches.

>>728759070
Studios I mean, not former and employees. Like nothing is stopping Bethesda from just retconning 76 and ESO out of existence and saying it’s just its own thing.

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>>728759004
House was never a truly benevolent person, but he honors deals. He promised those thugs money and immediately stopped caring the moment he implanted a chip in the guy. A House with no actual trustworthiness is not a reliable choice in the slightest. This show took the one trait he had going for him to convince people to work for him in the first place.

>>728759070
C0DA is hated because Kirkbride's writing is absolutely retarded.
Kirkbride should stick to drawing concept art.

>>728759073
IDK how you could type this out and accuse anyone else of being a manchild lmao.

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I got curious, so I checked the credits of the episode. I found out that Rafi Silver, the House from season one and his appearance on the TV screen in episode 1 of Season, is credited as Robert House...

>>728758778
>while telling everyone to stop calling the retarded shit out
I never said to do that lol, I'll nit pick and complain about fallout 4 and the show until the cows come home but I just dont see the point in getting upset about it all
fact of the matter is Bethesda has the IP and I dont see even the original devs in the current world being able to make a worthy sequel to the original games

I'll enjoy the games for what they are but having some strange emotional attachment to the series and thinking that some all star dev team will drop out of the sky and be able to get together to make the perfect sequel to New Vegas just seems out of the realm of possibility at this point

Why is Maxon a jeet

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>>728759226
...but Justin Theroux, the new "House", isn't credited for what role he played.

>>728759205
>no u
I accept your concession, go back to r/fallout and be an irony poisoned faggot there where no one will point out your dogshit taste.

>>728759284
Aw fuck it is his brother isn't it? That or the house you meet in New Vegas was the body double.

>>728759284
its House secret 3rd brother

>>728759284
Im trying to find out when the body double bullshit started and seen a dateline article saying it. Was that the origin or did they lift that from here?

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>female vault dweller is the main character

>>728755950
Frank didn't need to believe anything, he was just in it for the killing

>>728759236
>I never said to do that lol, I'll nit pick and complain about fallout 4 and the show until the cows come home but I just dont see the point in getting upset about it all
I already said what the point is and you just said you didn’t care while pushing that others should because nothing will change which is just defeatist bullshit.
>I'll enjoy the games for what they are
People with actually criticality don’t need to say shit like this.
>having some strange emotional attachment to the series and thinking that some all star dev team will drop out of the sky and be able to get together to make the perfect sequel to New Vegas just seems out of the realm of possibility at this point
More someone competent will get their hands on it at some point and unfuck it. It’s not even hard.

>>728759354
His cooming over HH Nailguns wasn't a tipoff?

>>728759354
Didn't House's crazy ass brother hate his guts? Why would he ever agree to impersona
oh, oh wait the mind control macguffin oh it all makes sense now

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>>728759284
almost like they dont want to reveal that Theroux's house who is sat watching the board meeting is using a double
anyone who cared could look on IMDB and see that both Rafi Silver and Theroux are both listed as House
so which one will it be?
Silver who looks like a troglodyte jeet, or Theroux the spitting image of Robert House shown sat in the Lucky 38 in this very episode and on the screen of the 38 computer in all the trailers and promotional material?

>>728759354
Did you come straight from Mantis’ shitcord?

>>728759362
>Roberto Houseienda, the mastermind behind EVERYTHING
That's right up the writers alley, desu. Im still annoyed they turned the dino backwards at novac. Lol why? Just put Lucy on the roof or something.

>>728759354
YES RETARD
THIS IS WHY EVERYONE HAS CALLED YOU RETARDED
HURRR BODY DOUBLE

>>728759284
its obviously Anthony House

>>728759295
I'm not that anon, it's funny that you prompted him for his personal opinion, he gave his personal opinion, and then you took it as an affront and responded to him with your personal opinion as arguments. And now you are trying to get into a flamewar with him and talking about how you are going to "win this war of attrition" by endlessly seething at him.

>>728759415
enjoy being fed bethesda slop and getting upset about it for the rest of time then ig I just simply cannot bring myself to care about bethesdas version of fallout

>>728759480
who's to say there aren't 5 more other houses running around

>>728759427
I noticed it, but keep in mind both houses owned HHT at one point and were rivals. Maybe they didn't hate eachother and Anthony was just giving the impression to trick people?

>>728759429
He wants to mind control House :O

>>728759534
That is true. Whatever it is I feel like it's gonna be stupid but all the normies are gonna do the basedpoint meme over so it's doomed.

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>>728759480
Get me Robert House!
>He's unavailable.
Then get me his non-union Mexican equivalent!

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>>728759489
>HURR DURR ITS HIS BROTHER HURR DURR

>>728759489
Different Anon you stupid Nigger.

>>728759402
Frank was in it for serving his country and making a mutie-free America. His last words are literally dropping a Semper Fi on you.

>>728748673
>Giving a fuck about obsidian writing
>Dudes who wrote shit like "actually you can be hole in force and make anyone you want into jedi if they like you enough"

>>728759531
Gary wasnt the Clone, it was all Housem Robert GARY House!!!! It all makes perfect sense, anon. The puzzle pieces are falling into place. Hold on to your butt's because ep 2 is just around the corner

>>728759593
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>>728759648
Omg, Fallout rotted my brain so hard i cant even type properly anymore.

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>>728759668
Behold! The same Anon!

>>728759502
>I'm not that anon
The only reason you would care enough about what I said to reply is if you were. But since you have nothing else and embarrassed yourself you need to samefag and pretend to be another person to try and defend yourself and make it look like others agree with you.
>inb4 schizo
This is an anonymous image board where no one knows who anyone actually is, it is entirely possible to pretend to be multiple people and it happens often enough to where there is a term for it. You are in a place where everyone is guilty until proven innocent, so you’re going to have to do that or fuck off.
>he gave his personal opinion, and then you took it as an affront and responded to him with your personal opinion as arguments
Yes that is how arguments work, and when one person is unable to defend their personal beliefs and end up playing dumb to avoid it that is an indicator that they have lost the argument.
>And now you are trying to get into a flamewar
It’s an arguement, that happens here all the time. But you using flamewar specifically tells me you cried to the mods because you needed something to report me for.
>about how you are going to "win this war of attrition"
Never said anything about winning. But thank you for acknowledging that you turned it into a battle of attrition.

>>728748673
I don't give a shit about amazon slop, it doesn't affect how I regard the Fallout universe at all.

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>>728759401
Lucy is a pretty realistic female MC, she almost never resorts to violence and her first instinct is to do things peacefully even when it's the most retarded thing you could possibly do. Half the time she's getting captured/injured/enslaved and either has to be saved or saved by circumstance.

>>728759776
effect*

>>728759534
Robert never owned it. He was fucked out of inheriting his half of the tool company and went into robotics. He then started the process for a takeover just before the bombs dropped.
He wouldn't have any connection to the nail guns.

>>728759718
Is this part of the show? I dont know if I can handle these crazy twists and turns. What a rollercoaster of a thread.

>>728759523
>enjoy being fed bethesda slop
You literally just admitted you “enjoy the games for what they are” you’re the one playing slop, I call it out. You’re just mad that your own shit eating habit was called out so you have to cry “no u” like a toddler. But I guess that means you care enough about all this to say that.

ok help me out here anons
is skyrim or fo4 better for sex gameplay if i want interesting systems/ai relating to sex? from pregnancy to diease and all that shit. im tempted for fo4 because the shootan is fun and i like raiders and slavery but not too sure about the mod scene there

>>728759851
Oblivion is actually the best

>>728759851
Skyrim, hands down (your pants)
They have way more sex mods and they are better quality.

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>>728759462
I wondered if that shadowy figure was someone in the Enclave pulling the strings, but it probably is going to turn out to be Mr. House (true)

>>728759776
This is the best outcome for anyone with a brain. But alas /v/eddit really cares about some lore for a game that came out in 2011 for some fucking reason

>>728759795
Okay, then that entire plotline about Anthony going mad was just him gaslighting and working alongside his brother then I guess.

>>728759851
Skyrim. Modders never made the leap to FO4's improved engine for various autistic reasons.
Just take a quick look at the difference in face mods on Nexus for an easy example of how much better Skyrim's mod scene is.

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>>728759886
>your pants

>>728759917
I figured it was the Enclave. Can't you see a few of them talking to eachother in a later scene? Like, the silhouette heads turn to eachother?
I want ti go back through S1 just to hunt for clues but I dont want to go back through S1

>>728759923
Why do you care that people care? What stake do you have in this? Do you not like people calling out dogshit?

>>728759923
Eh, it's wasted potential. There was still juice left to squeeze out with the NCR collapsing or something along those lines, and what we got was a show that outright runs against the setting.

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>>728759851
Last I checked the sex modding scene for F4 was pitiful compared to Skyrim. There's been a lot more resources and time dedicated to cooming in Skyrim, so F4 mods are janky and kinda shit.

There is no replacing getting enslaved by raiders and becoming a fucktoy though, it doesn't hit the same in Skyrim

>>728759927
Anthony went mad because he was paranoid that Robert was going to take over the company after Anthony had him screwed out of his rightful partial ownership when their parents died using the fact Rob was only a half-brother to do it.
He was right that Robert was coming for his ass, but that's not really relevant since it's implied he was already a nut.

so bos literally rules both east and west now? WTF? seriously? they blew up ncr just for bos to be the next big dog?

>>728748673
>giving a single fuck what the tv show says after they managed to make it even more retarded than f3 and f4 combined

Tartarus upon you.. Bleak.. Unending...

>>728760139
the BoS are the coolest faction and I'm tired of pretending they're not

>>728760090
I remember reading some old Loverslab mod sperged out during FO4 sex modding's infancy and basically killed it in the womb because it was drawing attention away from Skyrim.

so people hate the show because the niggercr and mr nutsack lost ? You faggots are insane
>>728759851
sexlab modders attacked anyone that tried to work on fo4 sex mods so yeah its only skyrim

>>728760120
There is also the fact that House is not a young guy in 2077. He’s in his late fifties, and Anthony is already an adult when he was born.

>>728759952
>>728760090
>>728759886
Damn, an absolute disappointment and thanks for the honesty anons. Imagination wise I've always leaned towards FO4 towards any rule34 because it's hot with raiders and enslaving and its hijinks, especially in context of the fallout world. It's a shame that the loverslab niggers had a fit over FO4 even after its slow modkit release...don't think japs like the post apoc world either compared to fantasy.

>>728760139
shut up. BoS is always gonna be the good guy. Not some gayass democrat-larping commieforniashit.

>>728760139
Don't worry, according to the teaser of Episode 2, east coast and west coast brotherbood want to kill each other.
And they probably will, because the status quo of Bethesda Fallout must be kept at all costs.

But why would he need special chips? First off, microchips in Fallout is nonsense, the whole point is that their computers are still based on tube technology.

Second, mind control tech exists in Fallout already. What the fuck?

>>728751659
Because globalists don't want you to have anything nice.

>>728760120
Yeah so if that's true then no way in hell would he ever be a body double logically. And if he tried something drastic like impersonating his brother, who is just as cautiously paranoid, it wouldn't make sense that Anthony found a way inside his brother's base of operations like shown in the trailers. Even more absurd ending up in the cryo pod in place of his brother (Judging by Thouroux's face being on the moniter).

>>728751965
good post

>>728760278
>But why would he need special chips?
Because it holds the OS to upgrade the securitrons which would allow them to gain full functionality and have all their features which would allow them to be a proper army/police force for the region.
>First off, microchips in Fallout is nonsense, the whole point is that their computers are still based on tube
Which is why he basically created the settings version of one that has the OS on it and put it into a high tech computer. All of it specially designed.

>>728760194
Legion also lost too, but NCR trannies can't "letting go" that their favorite trannoid paradise is also lost too.

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One of the only two based characters in the show though I'm not sure yet if it's his actor carrying the role or the character itself yet.

>>728760190
The BoS are the most inconsistently written faction in the setting
>technocrusader niggas that sell laser pistols and do research
>glowie magpies that just want to steal from the Enclave
>massive feudal army looking to wipe out any overwhelming threats in the wasteland
>goody two shoes paramilitary force trying to protect an independent group of scientists
>literally just a dead faction waiting for the hammer to come down and wipe them completely while they hide
>overwhelming military autocracy wanting to wipe out anything they consider unethical and crushing regular old settlers underfoot to accomplish this task
I actually don't mind the direction the show took, treating them like 40k-style technomonks, but they are just such a mess of a faction in terms of characterization.

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>>728760190
BoS is retarded because there is no information on how they beneficially structure society. NCR has crazy infrastructure and pre-war manufacturing, and Legion utilizes fear and military power to keep order and scare away raiders. What does the BoS do?

All they do is hoard technology and live underground and regular people living under BoS rule are okay with this because.... ????

>>728760459
Without Kyle he’s just some cuck that wanted to blow up the world.

>>728760359
Robert probably chipped his brother as punishment for stealing H&H off of him and forced him to act as a body double through mind control.
Which is fucking stupid as shit but it tracks.

>>728760253
Not like a BoS civil war was hinted at in 3 and 4, not at all :)

>>728760459
>The main villain of the show is the physical embodiment of white boomer office worker trying to get a promotion
>His daughter is working against daddy to stop him
Mind you this show was co-written by the lady who did Captain Marvel.

>>728760501
>regular people living under BoS rule
Not a thing before Bethesda made them into diet enclave.

>>728760224
I feel your pain, anon. Im into monsters and Fo4 has some of the weirdest, creepiest stuff out there and ill never get to see my guy fuck them or raid a town and send the slaves to the breeding pits.

>>728760537
It wasn’t in 4 since Maxson was said to have rectified the split Lyon’s caused.

>>728760561
Don’t forget that he was cucked by a woman.

>>728760359
there's also the fact that Robert is way more stable and intelligent than Anthony.
A guy having his HR sending messages like this
>Hello fellow H&H employees!
>Mr. H has asked me to pass on the details of our new security systems. This is very important, so please read it and confirm via e-mail that you understand the procedures!
>1) Automated heavy turrets have been installed in both cubicle areas, the central catwalk, and outside Mr. H's office. YOU MUST HAVE YOUR ID PASS ON YOU at all times, or the turrets will open fire, and we certainly don't want that, do we? :-) Remember, no sudden movements until you hear the "click!" That means the turret has recognized your ID signature and you're safe to pass!
>2) Employees must submit at least one of the following on the first payday of each month: one vial of blood, 20 nail clippings (toenail or fingernail is fine, but *NOT* a mix of both), one lock of hair, or a 5 square centimeter skin sample. These samples will be retained for monitoring purposes.
>3) Any employee seen to be cohabitating, colluding, or cogitating with any of the following groups will be terminated immediately: foreigners, Masons, carpenters, Tragic players, illegal aliens, extraterrestrials or the Flemish.
>4) If you see Mr. H in the halls, DO NOT make eye contact. Making eye contact with Mr. H will be seen as an attempt to steal his thought energy and will be grounds for immediate dismissal. Yes, even if Mr. H is wearing his special hat.
>Thank you all for your patience with our little reorganization. Now, get out there and make the best gosh-darn tools in the West!
isn't posing as Mr House

>>728760630
FUCK I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. This show is so compromised it's not even funny. It's just another case of media hijacked by the opposite sex to shit on their idols of hatred.

>>728760501
They think pre-war technology in the hands of outsiders will cause another apocalypse, so they hoard it in their bunkers and expect wastelanders to live like the Amish. They're not interested in restructuring society.

>>728760253
>east coast and west coast brotherbood want to kill each other.
Why? Hell in Fallout 4 you can literally read a terminal that explains that the West Coast Chapter accepted Maxson's rule and see him as the rightful commander of the brotherhood.

"Elder Maxson reigns supreme in the Capital Wasteland, and his authority and influence have been spreading across the Eastern Seaboard, thanks in no small part by the mobility afforded by the Prydwen. He has the full support of the Elders back on the West Coast, who have proudly reported that they've begun eradicating cults that have popped up, worshipping Maxson as though he's some kind of god. Maxson himself is almost offended by the idea of being referred to as a deity, as it goes against everything he believes in. Arthur Maxson is happy to be one thing... the perfect human specimen, an example of everything a human being can achieve. Assisted, even enhanced, by advanced technology, but still very much human."

>>728760537
>3
Bethesda's attempt at explaining why BoS is suddenly goodie-two-shoes faction that help poor people in need and shobby world building, although I do give them credit for actually realising how they need to do something lore-wise with the huge retcon they made by creating the Outcasts.
>4
They're all united and happy under Fuhrer Arthur Maxson so I have no idea what you're talking about.
As a matter of fact, it's mentioned how they achieved communication with West Coast and they approve of Arthur's leadership.

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>>728748673
There's a THIRD option you're not seeing, and I'm predicting it now before the next episodes come out and makes the twist really obvious:

>It's House's brother, Anthony
>Anthony's story is retconned in that he is secretly working for Vault-Tec as well as being the H&H Tools CEO
>Anthony is in the Lucky 38 prewar because Vault-Tec catches wind of Cooper discovering their plans, ala his wife telling them
>Cooper goes to Vegas to talk to Robert, but due to some plot bullshit he's out of town, and Anthony smooth talks his way in to the Penthouse / breaks in with his technological genius
>Anthony's H&H Tools demise is staged, and is actually frozen in the Management Vault due to his cooperation with Vault-Tec on their research and plans for world domination
>We will see Robert execute his defense plans as the bombs drop, as per what is established in lore

fast forward:
>Courier kills Robert House
>Management unfreezes Anthony, seizing the opportunity to take the throne
>Cooper arrives at Lucky 38 expecting to see Robert, hoping he might have an unlikely ally against Vault-Tec
>Big twist reveal, it's actually Anthony, everyone's shocked

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>>728760687
>the following groups will be terminated immediately: foreigners, Masons, carpenters, Tragic players, illegal aliens, extraterrestrials or the Flemish
This is reasonable, however?

it's rather convenient that all these major pre-war players were unthawed around the events of this show

I'm just gonna say is that the Brotherhood is the only faction to get two (2) spinoffs before the Bethesda acquisition.
Sounds like the franchise protagonists to me.

I feel like the vault dwellers regressed from Season 1. They act even more retarded than they did before.
At least in season 1 it came across as ignorant and naive, but just from one episode of season 2 it feels like they just saw people laughing at them and wrote them as intentionally retarded.

>>728760834
That's so dumb it just might be true... man, that actually seems like the likely outcome.

>>728760904
I giggled at the incest couple. I agree, though. They just made them retarded instead of sheltered and naive

>>728760687
>Tragic players
That’s a deep cut, based Anthony not tolerating cardfags

>>728748673
>Venom House
Kojimaaa!
I mean
TOOOOOODDD!

>>728760979
Yeah that girl was hot too.