What happened?Even FF13 and FF15 stayed relevant far longer
>Why was Single Player Game forgotten?>Why did people stop talking about Single Player Game?>Why did Single Player Game lose so many players?What is this mental illness called?
Trash game gonna stay trash
>>728834725ff13 had two sequels and everyone hated 13 so much it sparked a ton of controversy. ff15 was advertised and dragged through the mud shoved in peoples faces for too long because of damage control. 16 is just a harmless mid game
Trump winning was a mistake, now we have people claiming that forgetting about game week after it was released is norm>>728834843
>>728834843Games like Fortnite are what’s “in” so anything that isn’t constantly updated is considered forgotten by the masses.
>>728834929That was back then. XIII is no longer the lowest point in the series. in fact, people actually appreciate it more now because the recent mainline games were so shit. The demand for a remaster proves my point.
>>728835123no, 13 is still shit and everyone still hates it. the sequels were better but still shit. 16 is better than any of them.
>>728835123Time is always nice to games, no matter their quality.These days people even love garbage like pokemon bw and farcry 2Fuck, we even have retard right in this thread telling us how 16 was better than 13...
>>728834843People still talk about Final Fantasy VIII, also a single player game but one that came out before you were born, nobody talked about Final Fantasy XVI other than to try to convince others it didn't flop.
>>728835170I'll only agree if you're talking about the first game. But XIII redeemed itself with sequels that I will defend, far more than whatever XVI hoped it would be. Whether it made the story worse or not is another debate. I'm only talking about the trilogy as a whole.
>>728834725absolute trash outside of boss fights and even those were meh
>>728834725Boring art direction so fanart scene died off quicklyNo party so interest in character discussions died off quicklyShallow and boring setting so speculation about the setting died off quicklyShallow gameplay so nobody wants to replay itThe only thing it has going for it is the godzilla battles but those are short and alone aren't enough to make a good game. FF10 wasn't good because of Aeon battles. It was good because of everything else it had going for it making it better than the sum of its parts.
>>728835123Surprised to see Endymion asking for a remaster of this turd. I thought he had much better taste considering he was constantly shitting on FF7R, which is magnitudes better game than FF13 could ever be.
>>728835359>Fuck, we even have retard right in this thread telling us how 16 was better than 13...>retard defending shit on a plate
>>728834725It was too generic unironically.
>>728834725FF16 is aggressively mid. It's not the worst or the best, the game is at an exact point of purest meh.I hate the people who made this game desuu. I hope they are never allowed to make another FF game ever again. This is the least FF of all the FF games in the franchise. It could have been called anything else but FF.
>>728835698if they just made DMC 6 instead of DMC lite it would've been far better. they tried to make some kind of pseudo action rpg instead to try and grasp what dignity they had left
>>728834843Skyrim has been mentioned daily since 111111Seethe
>>728834725FF13 had 2 sequels and FFXV had years of DLC support and a brand new version of the game. FF16 had 2 DLC's that were blatantly just cut content from the base game and then square abandoned it Ironic the MMO devs delivered the worst post launch content of the series.
>FF game in NAME only with no FF elementsThey weren't thinking obviously
>>728834725>worse story than FF on SNES, PS1 and PS2>worse action gameplay than KH2 on PS2>less complexity in its RPG systems than NES RPGs from the 80s>no difficulty>no exploration>bad pacing>bad side contentit just wasn't a good game. there's fun to be had here and there, good qualities here and there, but overall it's the worst game in the mainline.
>>728834843you have zero fucking clue, zoom zoom
>>728834725painfully mediocre and insipid game coupled with fatigue from eating shit after shit. After waiting forever for XV and being graced with a schizophrenic, unfinished game that didn't know what it wanted to be it was clear SE was lost for good and the franchise people once loved was dead and buried, and any one who knew yoshida had zero fucking hope for XVI. The dogshit trailer just cemented that feeling for good and even the cattle who still decided to throw money in the fire pit ended up admitting that it was shit.
>>728835504>No partythe game did many things wrong but this is probably the worst offender for a Final Fantasy gameeven Kingdom Hearts has Donald and Goofy in their roles as wizard and tank warrior. you give them equipment with stats, set up their abilities for attacks, utility, passives, etc., heal them and get healed by them, have MP restored by them, use them for combination attacks, babysit them and get frustrated when they die and through it all get attached to them despite them being silly Disney cross over chars in weird chuuni FF setting.not having a party with you in a JRPG is a bold thing to do, it was figured out in DQ2 already.
>>728835123nobody is asking for a remaster, no matter how much schizo like you try to push the narrative that this pile of cow shit was ever good or beloved. I'd sooner replay XII than XIII and I couldn't finish XII.
>>728834725Mogged by Rebirth
>>728837813i'm always down for more XIII-2 Serah sexo, it's a short game that is fun to 100% with a nice OST and some fun DLC boss challenges
>>728834725story focused games are flops. sure you may get some sales but less than 35% of players on average finish the game and no one talks about it two weeks later.
>>728837914I'm all for spinoffs like XIII-2 and LR, I loved them. They were shit final fantasy but great games. But I don't want whatever the fuck XIII was supposed to be as a mainline game.
didn't adapt to vr has no longevity
>>728834725What happened is it sucked and had no redeeming qualities. XIII had its cool aesthetic and music. XV has the likeable boy band. XVI had nothing. The eikon battles sucked even more than the regular combat.
>>728838056The concept of Attack on Titan Eikon battles is pure kino but they fucked up the execution. Some of the CG scenes were nice and they should've just had more of those. And the actual fights needed to be more fun to play.
>particle effect and damage number vomit>MMO sidequests
>>728838226>and damage number vomitWas big part of the series since before you was even born.>nnnnno, series should change and be something totally different just to pander to me I hate series and what it stands forWell, they tried to do that with 16...
>>728834725It just looks so uninspired. The combat is FF15 again but flashier, I still don’t know what the story hook is, and look at these character designs. It’s just boring and instantly forgettable. You either need a story hook, good character designs, or a gameplay hook. It has none of these 3.Keep Yoshida off your next project.
>>728838226>ffxiv's horrendous pacing>ffxiv's horrendous presentation>ffxiv's non existent character build>ffxiv's non existent combat depth>ffxiv's worthless disjointed overworld>ffxiv's washed out color paletteI wonder what's the common factor between these two games
Squeenix management is terrible.
>>728838431flashy effects and big damage numbers are cool in a turn based game because they are eye candy that give your attacks a satisfying impact.in an action game, they are in the way of gameplay and turn it into a mess. this doesn't mean that you can't have flashy attacks or damage numbers in an action game, but it requires a much higher level of elegance by the developer to find the balance between flashy and clean visuals. DMC4 for example nails this.
>>728837914based
>>728838474>black/white black/white black/white black/white black/whitethat's what you niggers deserve for shitting on X character design and I will never forgive you
>>728838474I'll be devil's advocate and say I liked their more restrained designs, comparatively. I just wish they had inhabited a world that had more going for it than barren MMO plains and mud huts. I like Clive, Jill, Joshua, Cid and Dion. I wish they had been placed into a script that made use of them or gave them interesting moral dilemmas. >Hey Clive, we're walking talking nuclear bombs>Let's go ahead and destroy the world's primary power sources and religious icons because we're privy to info that nobody else is>Any doubts about what we're doing, confrontation with the ramifications, insight into how we might actively be making lives worse for people?>Haha nope
Nomura would've saved Final Fantasy but they just had to take Versus from him. Enjoy the death spiral.
>>728838853FF7R proves this theory wrong
>>728838474Those designs are insanely good though.
>>728835368why do you post fake shit?
>>728839205>insanely goodYet they are all forgettable. Not a single one iconic in any way, so not even worth cosplaying because everyone will think you're just cosplaying generic fantasy whatever... And that's exactly one of the many big problems the game has. It's just so mid.
>>728838995The remakes are the only good SE FF games made in the last 15 years are you actually retarded?
>>728840089More like 20 years
>>728838474>The combat is FF15 again but flashierdidn't play the game award for you
>>728834725a lot of people like me who defended it, defended it because ff14 was good, but dawntrail came out and I stopped defending this meh game.
>>728839718>300+ in the last monthOh no no no no no
>>728840662FF16 on ps5 outsold p3r on every platform
>playable Jill, Cid, Joshua, Torgal, and Dion>actual builds that mean something>better side quests>less linear world design>before the game goes into the storyline about Ultima, it spends A LOT more time in world politics>speaking of which, Beneditka, Cid and others live longerIts a shame how easily this game could have been the best FF mainline in ages
>>728840792I would hope so considering p3r is a remake of a 20 year old more niche title.
>>728834725>The Demo actually tricked me to buy on ReleaseBRAVO
>>728840825>playable Jill, Cid, Joshua, Torgal, and Dion>actual builds that mean somethingTHIS
>>728835504Good post. Insane that a company like Square Enix still doesn't understand the basics of what makes a JRPG good/popular.
I'm having fun, the combat is fluid and the graphics amazing, story is okayish. I think it's better than FFXV.
>>728834843People are too into WoW and Fortnight, doing their "dailies"
>invite a bunch of SE orbiter retard ecelebs to play curated demo that lies about how dogshit the early game progression actually is>take basically no other input on the game until after it comes out>game has dogshit progression and difficulty and is basically a demo for 70 hours if you don't rush into ng+ asap>gets deservedly shit on for this while also overselling the side characters in a single player action game where you don't even have techs with them outside of the fucking dog
>>728841581I envy you. I wish I could enjoy trash games like you do, too.
>>728834725It was pretty shallow and dull gameplay wise with a weak story. It's very mediocre, maybe the most mediocre in the series.
>>728841781It's not that trashy, i have played worse games. It's just a game to play if you want to chill back and watch a game-movie hybrid.
>>728841958I don't play FF for a movie slop. I want an rpg elements. I want party members, I want content, I want exploration. XVI has none of this. It’s neither an rpg nor a real FF. It's just a dogshit game carrying the FF name.
>>728842196Can't say you're wrong. Look i'll be honest, i'm playing it because i paid for it.
>>728834725Its shit and absolutely no replay value.
>>728842196Its not a good final fantasy game. but its just a solid game
>>728842196>I want an rpg elements>ffstats and inventory aren't "rpg elements"
>>728835418So how would you take a 16 sequel then.
>>728835484Boss fights are also trash. Every enemy is an insufferable bullet sponge that exists to waste your time.There is stupid cutscenes with QTEs that go for way too long. Button mashing sequence that literally never end. This shitty segment here always stays like this even if you AFK for hours and hours.
>>728842412Having enemies with elemental weaknesses you can exploit in combat is the most basic mechanic in any jrpg known to man, and XVI doesn’t even have that.
>>728842196>I want an rpg elements
FFXVI hurt my hand after awhile so I had to stop playing. I think its the only game ive dropped due to it causing me physical pain
>>728834725Its a movie-game that has nothing going for it except good aesthetics. Also someone decided to make a movie-game a playstation exclusive for the first few months, giving all the incentive for non-playstation players to watch the movie-game on youtube lets plays, enjoying the main appeal of it (the movie) and then moving on to the next game. Its not like you were buying a ff game where you can have build/party/job variety or something. How did ff ever stray so far from the turn based attack/skill/item/defend/run formula?
>>728842708so?
>>728842893How the fuck did this game hurt your hand
Someone post that host of the brothel. She was hot and a cool character
>>728842960I was playing with a controller and the combat was so repetative and straining that my hand started to hurt. There was just too much of pressing the same buttons for too long
>>728842941So what
>>728843060This is honestly believable because all the enemies are shitty sponges that make you mash the sword attack button over and over
>>728834725Man you are obsessed with this game
>>728843548This game is a failure. Of course people won't stop pointing that out.
>>728843648so you are indeed obsessed
>>728843707The Yoshit golem continues to seethe.
Did this really sell 3.23 million?Hype has dropped off a cliff so maybe its possible.
>>728834725No JRPG party, it's a flop.
>>728843954That column series is Capcom cope. They made Wilds an ugly, boring game.
