should i buy it?
>>728876124Yeah sure, it's a perfectly servicable 7/10 game. If a mob feels spongy and they 1-2 hit you, you're not supposed to be there yetThat's all you need to know. Have fun. The base game is piss easy
>>728876124Yes, do the main game, then go to Bitterblack Isle when the thing happens. You'll know what the thing is.
>>728876241what about loot? are there unique weapons and armor?
>>728876796Yes, loads. Lots and lots of viable builds. Just play how you like, there is no wrong way. I played as a full magic user first play through and had no issues.
>>728876796Lots. Lategame is just loot farming sim. Base lategame stuff is heavily outclassed by the DLC gear though... only thing that's worth it is the Dragonblood ring which has a 2% drop rate
>>728876890hell yeah, I'll buy it then. 5$ on sale rn
>>728877092One big tip, you can kick the ox and cart. Makes the only bad part of the game take 1/4 of the time (it's an escort quest that takes 30 minutes but you can kick the ox and it takes about 5-10)
>>728877581thanks, I'll try to remember it. Gotta finish soulstice first
>>728876124One of the only games I would kill to play blind a second time.
>>728877581>>728877092don't listen to this guyyour first time playing the game you're guaranteed to kick it too many times and empty its healthat that point it the ox goes even slower and you can only heal it if you're mage(your mage pawns will ignore it)
>>728877772Just ask your pawn to heal you and stand in the path of the ox dummy
>>728876796For the most part, you will always have or be on the verge of being able to buy the latest gear from merchants. The end game of the base game iirc is chasing and kill dragons which will level up the weapon you're using to kill them. Tbh the game actually starts for real with bitter black isle, but i could never do jack shit there and i have no idea how people go through it lol. So ask again when you get there. Personally, i was just running in circles
>>728876124It's the best game ever, but casuals can't appreciate the design. What are you other favorite games?
any word of this game getting a switch 2 upgrade or am i fucked?
>>728877889that only works if you're hurt
>>728878741You can get hurt on demand by letting the ox hit you after kicking him dummy
>>728876124One of the best arpg, but only due to ddda.
>>728878891How about OP not pulling that stunt since it'll be his first playthrough anyway lol
>>728877913if you mean quests there it's just checklist nonsense.if you mean just playing BBI over and over for the sake of playing it, it's because the game's combat is hard carrying it. We're talking about a game where the max level is 200 but you stop being able to have meaningful engagements with enemies past level 120. Clinging on to battling the strongest enemies left is all we got.biggest crime of the sequel is we don't even have a way to do that.
>>728877960cuphead, dark souls, quake 3, trepang, blasphemous, hunt showdown>>728877074>>728877913So loot is like in nioh/diablo?or like in Skyrim/dark souls with unique named weapons?
>>728878891and if the ox's health is empty you can't kick it anymore
>>728876124do it
>>728879027Well he is reading the thread I assume so he should know now>>728879097Get hit by one of the many goblins/harpies/wolves that live there? It's not rocket science twin
>>728879037dude i know nothing about bb, like i said, i was just running in circles. Literally. Came back to the same rooms over and iver again, at the start lmao
>>728879093Technically every gear piece is unique. Like, you'll start with, let's bronze daggers, then it's iron daggers etc. It's not like skyrim or nioh but every piece of gear has its spot and you'll go through all of them by progressing naturally. That is if you're not respeccing to another class
>>728879483it ain't that deep you can literally just follow the purple quest markeror maybe you're confused because they copypasted the same rooms over and over?
>>728879587Vertical item progression. Lame, I prefer horizontal.
>>728879093everything is uniquecoolest shit is that, like in KCD, armor is layered so you can wear a shirt then put an armor above it, and same shit with pants and boots.
>>728879587I don't remember dude, last time i played dd was in 2016 with the port lol. I just know i somehow found the ur dragon and fought it for half an hour without the hp pool moving at all so i gave up lol
>>728879849Yeah by the time you're done with the base game and have basically access to every gear piece (in the base game) you realise it's not impressive lol. And kinda stale. But i bet the expansion changes shit tho
>>728879093I've seen worst lists. You might enjoy it, but not if you think Souls/ER combat is peak gameplay. And no, it's not shitty Diablo/Nioh loot. If you find a weapon, every other one of that weapon you find will have identical stats with the exception of the final tier of DLC loot since it turns into loot gacha. That said, you can upgrade gear as well, but the upgrade paths are linear.
>>728876124Yes. It's a great game. People have probably already posted about it, but takes about an hour or two to really get into the swing of it. Specifically, there is an early quest where you have to escort a caravan: it takes a good 20 minutes, and this used to be the point where people bounced off the game. Get through that and the game opens up. Also, this is a game designed to be played multiple times. On your first playthrough, get through the main story at your own pace, this will probably take about 6 hours total if you're going fast, longer if you stop to see the sights and do sidequests: but the real meat of the game is in replaying it in new game +That's where you're able to start getting really in depth with character builds and the RPG stuff.
>>728879849this game has extremely vertical stat progression much to its own detrimentall the sauce is in the skills and combat mechanics and how you utilize them to fight enemies.The end result is that in both DD games regardless of what you've done you WILL eventually instantly destroy every enemy you see, except for fringe cases where a couple boss enemies are immune to either physical or magic in which case your dick is in your hand waiting for the AI to solve it for you.What really would have served both games better instead of vertical progression is to just have you progress the vocations the way they already do in the game, you can even still have meaningful gear choices by having gear boost the vocations or stats specifically in different ways. But just gut out leveling and enemy progression entirely.
>>728876124it is one of my favorite video game stories
>>728880582it's subversion of expectations done very right, instead of the lame californian way
>>728880112The expansion redeem the game.>>728880368>to its own detriment>>728880368>But just gut out leveling and enemy progression entirely.It's true. Nothing stands a chance. I'm all for deadly encounters. Even goblins or whatever should be a problem, not a nuisance. 5e is the pinnacle of lame design, you turn into a superhero for no reason at all. Literally outleveling every monster, lame.
>>728880582What's the story of DD?>>728880656The subversion? When exactly? The ending?
>>728881347the whole game being the classic story of the hero killing the evil dragon, yet the dragon wasn't all that evil in the end and all the stuff that comes after
>>728881347big bad red dragon stole your heart so now you're getting it back but plot twist you were the dragon all along
>>728881347>The subversion? When exactly? The ending?Don't ask. It's really cool.
>>728881482Explain more, because last time i played was in 2016 and i don't remember diddly squat
niggas that don't spoilertag shit belong in India ಠ_ಠ
>>728881560lmfao i'm joking you're not the dragon
>>728881554the dragons and arisen, etc it's all some metaphysical mechanism to decide who gets to be skydaddy and the second game shows that if you rebel against this system hard enough the district manager comes and starts deleting your universe
>>728876124no, it's a 6/10 waste of time and you'll drop in 2 hours
>>728881792You came in too late, we've already tricked another sucker into buying this kusoge
>>728881745Cool thanks. Also spoil what you mean by the last sentence, my curiousity is piqued but i don't wanna play it
>>728876890>there is no wrong wayI tried out every class and playstyle and this is simply incorrect. Everything CAN work but some playstyles are way, way, WAY stronger than others. Twin blades helm splitter completely trivializes the entire game.
>>728882103Stop being a retard.
>>728882234You're the retard, and a malicious one at that, if you direct anyone towards DD2
>>728882383>You're the retard, and a malicious one at that>if you direct anyone towards DD2Fair. But I don't get why people come here to be spoonfed the stories to games they're interested in. Not only could you look this stuff up, you could also play the game
>>728877913>i have no idea how people go through it lol999 bombs. For real, that's all you need
>>728882567Bombs against what?
Stop spoonfeeding. Stop asking to be spoonfed.
>>728881482>>728881493Ah, right. That's very good. Shame they did nothing with it and ruined Dd2.Dragon heart or whatever was somewhat similar to it. >>728881532Too late
>>728882640Yes
>>728882794No but seriously. I don't remember ever using bombs at all, which means i tried them but wasn't impressedMaybe i'm misremembering
i just can't play it anymore bros but i always feel like reinstalling. I want that feel again. I have tried to recreate it, tried to spark it anew in my memory, but it is gone...a hollow, dead thing. For years I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing................
>>728883095Bro how did you manage to dump so many hours into it?
>>728883068The game has 2 types of bombs: dragonspit which is garbage and you should never use and throwblast, those can kill everything in the game with enough quantities. I've killed the final boss of the dlc using only those things. they are broken but a little bit heavy so you can't carry that many at all times
>>728881482>>728881493I have actually never legit read a story about a knight going out to slay a dragon, the "subversion" version is the only fucking one I have encountered. Even donald duck had a story about knights slaying a dragon only to turn into a dragon themselves.
>>728883317Ah now i remember. I must've used dragonblast lol. Also how many does it take to kill the last boss of the dlc considering they're heavy?
>>728882234Just tell me bruh, i have no interest in playing dd2. I also need to be up for another 20 mins to finish my all nighter and i NEED AND CRAVE stimulation
>>728882103it's literally exactly what the sentence saysin the first game you replace god, unless you lose to god then you become the dragon. After replacing him God has you kill him with the Godsbane which is made from the heart of a god. You can play at being god but it's boring, at your whim just kill and resurrect NPCs in the towns ho can't interact with you. The game really ends when you use the godsbane on yourself, you and your pawn fall out of the sky and your pawn takes on your appearance and has a soul now, taking on your life in your placeIn 2 an arisen with the same position as God decided to come down to earth and made a kingdom instead. This so-called "district manager" keeps sending new arisen to kill him anyway since he wasn't progressing the cycle naturally. He wants you to kill the dragon and take your place as king, knowing it will lead to you later doing that. Instead what happens is your investigations lead you to this god beforehand, and he gives you godbane. The game's ending loops until you kill the dragon with godsbane, which kills it and sends you into a coma, when you wake up the district manager says "you shouldn't have done that" and the whole universe is slowly being irreversibly destroyed by forces of chaosfor the entire endgame.I think the distinction here is in the first game, there are probably still other arisen alive who could go and take the place of god even though you abdicate that position with suicide. In the second game killing the dragon with godsbane seems to remove that opportunity entirely causing everything to collapse.>>728882234it is retarded but I can't condone playing the second game so I'm just gonna spoonfeed
>>728882640Proceed
>>728876124It has some fun features like throwing oil to mobs to lighten them on fire
>>728883764Thanks dude, now i remember how the first game ended. Also for the rest. Sounds like a cool story Nd i'm not gonns comment any more so OP isn't spoiled
>>728883524I don't remember that was a few years ago but the important part is that they can deal damage to everything in the game except ghosts which is really good at low levels when your attack isn't high enough to break through the defenses of tanky enemies. It's easier to kill him with a dragon weapon (you get those by killing the dragon) and dragon forging it (by having the weapon equipped while killing a dragon type enemy, the necrodragons in the dlc being one of the best way of doing that). Pair that with periapts (you can stack up to 4 of those at a time) and everything should die with little effort
>>728884141I never came across a enemy i had a problem with because i was progressing naturally so i never had to scrounge up some desperate plan like throwing bombs at tanky enemies. Did you start using bombs after you learned how the game worked? Like fighting an enemy you're too low level for so you throw bombs at them?And yeah i remember dragon forging weapons, afaik that was the way to get the best weaponsAlso this is the first time i've read that periapts stack at most at 4. From what i saw on youtube once over 10 years ago was some dude smashing the use button on str periapts and one shotting something lol
Go to Bitterblack Isle ASAP and try to go as deep as possible. The place is fucking MAGICAL, unironically.
>>728884693it's only 4x but remember this game lets you outscale everything naturally without periapts, or even as low as level 80 if you were autistic enough to to minmax your damage stat and slap on all its augments.I think realistically the level 200 cap is only so high because of online ur-dragonwhich makes me wonder why the scaling is so fucked in 2 when it doesn't have anything like that.
>>728885186Fair fair
>>728884693I started using then after realizing how good they are at dealing with things in the early game. The bandits that one shot you on your way to the forest? Fuck them. the ogres in the mines? lmao. Random chimeras? lol. The first boss of the dlc? Free exp. Seriously those things fuck during the early gameAnd yeah stacking those things is the "I want this this dead asap" strat
>>728876124yeah it's really funI never played DD2 but maybe that's for the better
>>728885321Alright gotcha
>>728885392the combat is immaculate.the problem is the game's quest scenarios rarely take you to what few dungeons exist and the endgame is DD1 vanilla without everfall and a limited number of rests before it forces you into NG+
>>728882227>"There is no wrong way to play">This is incorrect>Everything can workAre you schizo?
>>728882103Just play it. DD2 is a great game with a questline where most of what happens doesn't even matter, only the end game matters. It's missing a much needed Bitterblack Isle style expansion, but the gameplay itself is pretty good.
>>728876124It can get a bit grindy.It's a singleplayer MMO making it very obnoxious when/if you try to change class(vocation).
>>728886942You can beat Elden Ring at level 1 with bare fists and no summons or buffs. It can be done. It's not impossible to complete. This does not make it a reasonable way to play the game. it is the "wrong" way to play, unless you're a masochist and looking for an extreme challenge. You can play DD with any of the classes or sub classes, but you are intentionally giving yourself a worse experience once you pick literally anything after Helm Splitter because Helm Splitter will turn an otherwise-15-minute fight into 20 seconds.
>>728887703Sounds like helm splitter cheese is the boring and wrong way to play then.
>>728887703Yeah dude because bare fist rlvl1 is a comparable experience to using every class normally
>>728883298Not him, but I tried it once in 2016 then stopped early on because I was moving. Later in 2020 I did a full playthrough and it became my favorite game. Between then and the launch of DD2 I put about 350 hours into it.
>>728876124Absolutely yes, controller is a must, makes troons seethe with impotent rage but it doesn't have the gatsu and griffith armors anymore because cuckpom sucks major cocks.
>>728887910If you like it when "random elite bandit at the top of a hill" is a 10-minute unmarked boss battle despite the fact that the only difference between him and his flunkies, who die in 2 hits to anything, is his weapon selection, more power to you. You keep rubbing your face on that wall, bro. It'll make your e-dick bigger, I'm sure.>>728887949At the later stages of the game, and plenty of random difficulty spikes throughout the game, it can certainly feel that way.Also, let is be known that I'm not speaking from some position of inexperience here. I legit tried everything in the game and I also really like the game. I just don't pretend it's as versatile as you're claiming it is. Anything "can" work but certain things work way, way better.
>>728889291Shut the fuck up anon your entire argument is that "you either helm break everything or you take 15 mins to kill something!" Which is absolutely retarded because all classes can kill everything way too fast for that to matter. All bow classes can melt everything with blast arrows, all magic classes can melt everything with holy focused bolt and even the worst class in the game stat wise (warrior) can one shot everything in a single arc of deliverance. But yeah it's a similar experience to a soul lvl1 bare fist run right? You fucking retard
>>7288761242 was better, if your PC can run it.>but muh BBI muh eternal ferrystonecompletely misunderstood the assignment of what an open world RPG is about
>>728889861>even the worst class in the game stat wise (warrior) can one shot everything in a single arc of deliveranceThis requires incredibly ideal circumstances which many, if not most, fight will not allow you to set up. Arc is fantastic for its silly one-shot Gryffin kills but if you try that stunt against a pack of animated armors you're going to get your shit slapped.Try an early-game arc of deliverance against that bandit hoard at the top of the hill. Let me know how that works out for you.
>>728890036Is the assignment fighting the same group enemies every 20 seconds and not having any worthwhile location and treasure to discover?
>>728889291>playing without cheese strats is the same as doing low level challenge runsYou can't actually be that dumb.
>>728876124Don't.Post your steam I'll send you a spare key I have
>>728890121Like what? Having a party of to take the aggro? Having the augments required to tank hits? And why the fuck would you use the "kill this thing specifically" move against a group of enemies? >163 hoursBro you have no idea what you are talking about this is not counting the hours from the switch/steam versions and the alt accounts to have my own set of pawns to use
>bro just autistically follow a leveling guide to ensure optimal stat-growth or you're gonna be gimped for late game broSuperb design my dudes. Glad they fixed that in DD2.
>>728891136Did they? You will outlevel anything eventually. Changing stats while changing jobs is idiotic. They should've made items so, that they hide the stat changes in the items.
>>728891136>or you're gonna be gimped for late gamethis scenario doesn't actually happen
>>728891509>Changing stats while changing jobs is idioticWhy?Why should you be locked out of playing mage later on because you wanted to play warrior in the beginning?
>>728891993To make decisions matter.
>>728890181It's not a cheese strat. It's a move you learn very early in that vocation and it shits on everything in the game. It's "optimizing your damage on your class," but it's an amount of damage that few classes can rival, especially at that stage in the game.>>728890606>Having a party of to take the aggro? Having the augments required to tank hits?These are additional safeguards that are required for some classes but not for others. You're proving my point, not disproving it.> And why the fuck would you use the "kill this thing specifically" moveBecause it's the move that you listed among the strong moves that shit on everything. The difference between Arc and the others is that arc does not actually shit on everything - it shits on big things that give you ample setup time.>larger number dick wavingIf you've played the game for over 100 hours then you're already in the realm of knowing what you're talking about. Anything over that is fluff. You don't even disagree with me that helm splitter is easy mode. You know as well as I do that5 some classes are way stronger/easier than others. If you don't, your playtime is utterly meaningless.
>>728891136Minmaxers are so fucking stupid.
>>728892515>spamming one move isn't cheeseIt literally is.
>>728891993See>>728892403>>728891993I mightve not transported the message. I do appreciate the job switching, but I'm saying getting +70% int while changing classes is stupid. The items should give you the plus 70% int. Going from warrior to sorceror changes equipment, and therefore stats. It's not unheard of that gear gives heavy bonus to stats. And each class having mostly unique gear makes them more distinctive, too.
>>728876124Yes, it's one of the best games ever made, even if the main story is unfinished.
>>728892602The game gives you 3 buttons for moves (was it 4? I haven't played in a while). If one of these moves is way stronger and way more versatile than the others that you've equipped then you're not cheesing the game by using it most frequently.
>>728892707>spamming isn't cheese because the move I'm spamming is brokenYeah, that makes sense.
>>728893000Pushing the "shoot gun" button in the shooting game is not cheese either - it's the action button. DD gives you normal attacks, which are mostly useless, and skill buttons. You get to assign 3 skills at a time out of a selection of like 12 and you cannot change these on the fly - you had to go to the job guy, as I recall. So you pick your moves, you find "the best one" and you use that one to kill everything.This is not cheese, this is trying things until you find the thing that works, and then using the thing that works to win.
>>728892515I'm not proving your point you are moving the goalposts "helm split or take 15 minutes to kill something" and "everything that isn't helm splitter is the same as a bare fist lvl1 challenge run" is not the same as "some moves are better than others">Because it's the move that you listed among the strong moves that shit on everything.It's one the the only one. Jump attack can deal with that just as well>larger number dick wavingYou started it retard
>>728893225>Pushing the "shoot gun" button in the shooting game is not cheese eitherThere are absolutely guns in shooters that are imbalanced and can cheese the game. Nice reach though, trying to liken an fps where ammo is a thing to a skill with minimal cost and where the resource quickly recovers on its own.
DLC when?
>>728893958to both my dismay and relief, never
>>728880368Using Dragonforging to transition from Vertical into Horizontal Progression would have been a cool idea. Unfortunately Dragonforging and Rarifying doesn't change things up.I suppose the elemental weapons typically remain useful though.
>>728876124Neat little fantasy action game. Shame it never got a sequel.
>>728894443>Using Dragonforging to transition from Vertical into Horizontal ProgressionExactly my thought.>each class having mostly unique gearCould transform a warrior weapon to a sorceror weapon and it adds offense or an armor to a staff for defensive players.
>>728893851>There are absolutely guns in shooters that are imbalanced and can cheese the game.lol
>>728892681this but unironically
>>728893230With how DD's defense scaling works, there are absolutely situations where you can go from dealing numerically zero/one damage per hit to "just winning instantly" with a few small tweaks. You know this to be true.>You started it retardNo, I posted that to show that I was not a "watched a youtube essay on it once" armchair expert. I've played the game. I am by no means a master, but I'm familiar with enough of it to know what I am talking about.>>728893851>There are absolutely guns in shooters that are imbalanced and can cheese the game.If the game just hands you that gun and then takes time out of your day to change to a different gun that does less damage then you're a fool if you don't use the easier, objectively better gun. You're not a fool to try out the other weapons but you're a fool to seek them out when you know the first gun is faster and stronger.>ammoYou're diving so far into the nitty gritty of a tangent that it's not even productive. DD doesn't have limited resource management for skills, you just fucking use them. The stamina cost for swinging the Drake Sword in DS1 is not what makes it an infamous noob trap early game weapon.
>>728895857>why would I do anything other than the most efficient, highest damage move?Minmaxers are incredibly gay and stupid people.
>>728896156"Using a skill" is not even fucking close to minmaxing in DD. Unlike the other guy, you are NOT coming across like you know what the fuck you're talking about. He's overstating the power of some classes, you're coming off as a complete buffoon.
>>728896260>"Using a skill" is not even fucking close to minmaxing in DD>I pick the fastest and strongest, most mechanically broken skill to spam>but I'm not a minmaxerPlease. You play assassin for strength, rush BBI to pick up easy endgame weapons, and then kill the hellfire drake to dragonforge it when you replay the game.>Unlike the other guy, you are NOT coming across like you know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm not going to pretend to have a serious talk with a literal retard about a game he's played less than half as long as I have.>you're coming off as a complete buffoon.No, I'm just not entertaining any of your ideas.
>>728895857>A few small tweaks it's so easy to not be in that situation that comparing them is a stupid thing to do right? And also as it was said before a throwblast can deal with everything in the game when your attack isn't high enough to damage enemies >I am by no means a master Yeah no shit and your opinion should not be taken into consideration when you get basic shit wrong like the amount of skill slots you have >>728892707 it's not 3 or 4 it's 6
>>728896451>I'm not going to pretend to have a serious talkIf you're not serious then you're not worth talking to at all. >>728896591>it's so easy to not be in that situation that comparing them is a stupid thing to do right?Okay fine, if you insist on making me look it up, Strider has 44 skills. Of these, 22 are "base level" skills. Learning that the majority of these 22 skills are complete dogshit is not a quick process. You have to go to the vocation guy, change them out, go back to a combat location, try them out, hope that you tried them out against a suitable opponent, etc. It is a "small tweak" to pick the strong skill, but it is not an insignificant piece of information that will come easily to every player. >it's not 3 or 4 it's 6And if you use two weapon types (daggers and a bow) you can safely assume you split it 3 and 3 between the weapons. An understandable thing to misremember on my part, though certainly something I misremembered.
>>728897430>If you're not serious then you're not worth talking to at all.If you're an ignorant monkey who doesn't understand game mechanics and thinks games are problems to be "solved" then you're not work arguing with.
>>728897430>but it is not an insignificant piece of information that will come easily to every player. Not trying the skills that you slowly unlock will not come easily to players? That's your point? Do you want a yellow paint sign saying "hey helm split strong yo!"? Also you keep thinking that for some reason you use that or you won't be damaging the enemies at all which is just not true retard
>>728897816>Not trying the skills that you slowly unlockThis is a deceptive statement. You do not automatically unlock most skills - they have to be purchased with DP, which does not feel as infinite as it is when you're first earning it. Let's say you hit vocation rank 4 before you get to a town and now you've got these skills to pick from to learn, and they all cost the same amount. Maybe you can afford 2 of them. Your game will be MUCH easier if you pick helm splitter instead of dazzle hold. You have no way to know this until you try them both out. One skill eviscerates end game bosses in seconds. One does not. >Do you want a yellow paint Come the fuck on, dude. I haven't played DD2 but I'm quite certain numerous DD1 systems were dumbed down/streamlined because people complained about them being obtuse or obscure in DD1. >you keep thinking that for some reason you use that or you won't be damaging the enemies at all There is a big difference between me thinking something and you thinking I think something. This is the foundation of strawmaning. You said "there is no wrong way to play." I countered because there are plenty of wrong ways to play - ways that make your life significantly harder than others exist, and the game does not do a great job of showing which playstyles are stronger/more fun than others.
>>728898506Yeah you unlock them slowly so you can try them one by one instead of bombarding the player with all them at once. The game showers you with dp don't even try to make the argument that you won't have enough to get them all>I haven't played DD2 Then why are you talking about it>There is a big difference between me thinking something and you thinking I think something. I quote "You can beat Elden Ring at level 1 with bare fists and no summons or buffs. It can be done. It's not impossible to complete. This does not make it a reasonable way to play the game. it is the "wrong" way to play, unless you're a masochist and looking for an extreme challenge" you are comparing that to using fucking thousand kisses over helm splitter and saying that it makes your life significantly harder. Is it easier to? Yes does it make it as hard as that challenge run? Not even close. How else am I supposed to take that retarded statement huh?
>>728883368never heard of St. George nigga?
>>728899456I haven't read the story no
>>728899173>Yeah you unlock them slowly>The game showers you with dp don't even try to make the argument that you won't have enough to get them allFirst, you're contradicting yourself. Is it slow, or all at once?Second, it still takes time to try them out, one way or another. >Then why are you talking about itBecause even without playing it I can know that some systems were simplified. Am I wrong? >you are comparing that to using fucking thousand kisses over helm splitter and saying that it makes your life significantly harder.Again, just because you READ that sentence that I never uttered, it does not mean that I SAID that sentence. Here is one that I will say explicitly for you: beat Grigori using ONLY Reset, Ensare, and Dazzle Hold. No other skills allowed. It's an extreme example but you made an extreme statement: you said there was NO wrong way to play. I am demonstrating that what you ACTUALLY said is incorrect. You could have replied "okay maybe not EVERY style is viable, but enough are," and I've have agreed with you on that middle ground. Instead you called me a schizo and here we are.
>>728899173>The game showers you with dpAh we're talking DD2 now?
>>728900229some dude kills a dragon
>>728900245>Can't read properly lmao >Changes that had been highly criticized for years Yeah give me more of those please>I wrote that but I didn't say thatYou are not even trying anymore >ONLY Reset, Ensare, and DazzleThat's constitutes as playing the class normally? Why not go as far as not using weapons, having a blindfold on and being underwater?>You could have agreed with my retarded statement and we wouldn't be herelol
>>728901148I don't know what it is about people like you that forces you to never, ever, ever cede any ground whatsoever in a discussion, even when you clearly overstate something. Since you've lost your productive tone of voice I can only assume you understand where you were wrong now, and you're trying to save face. I am glad we could come to an understanding. I hope you have a great night.Now you say "lol lmao" again and you can keep the last word.
>>728901516lol lmao
>>728901516Just popping in to say that you've been an ignorant retard this entire time comparing normal playstyles to self-imposed challenge runs, and that's beyond retarded.
>>728902335You can't know if something is normal until you've tried it.
>>728876124It's a weird game, there is incredible stuff like scaling in giant enemies like shadow of the colossus, but also boring spaming wolf fights.It's up to you, in sale can be tried at least a couple of hours.
>>728902648I've played every class in the game more than you have.
>>728902735I don't doubt that. Unfortunately, a first-time player (who by definition has less time in game than either of us) will know even less than I do about what does and does not constitute "the proper way to play."My problem was with the statement "there is no wrong way [to play]."The person who made that statement and I have come to an understanding so there's no reason to continue wasting a perfectly nice Friday night bickering about it.
>>728885064DD2 should have just been another DD expansion.It just needed more stuff to do. They did not need to port it to a new engine, they did not need to redesign the vocations from scratch, they did not need to re-implement all the models, animations, combat mechanics, etc.
>>728904789Yeah, it feels like they tried to do something slightly different and then botched the entire operation. I guess we still have a sequel, so it must count for something, right? Haven't played it yet lol
>>728902971>My problem was with the statement "there is no wrong way [to play]."It's obvious that anyone saying this with regards to DD is talking about vocation and party composition. I'm not reading all of your drivel, but given how stupid you are I can tell you came up with some retarded nonsense along the lines of "Well it's possible to equip no skills or equipment and mash jump and then you wouldn't kill anything!" that's so far removed from how anyone plays games that your entire point is ludicrous.
>>728905204If you're not reading then there's no point in you saying anything, and no point to me replying to you after this. You certainly have better things to do on a Friday night than to half-read things and get upset about the things you didn't even fully understand.
>>728905362>You certainly have better things to do on a Friday night than to half-read things and get upset about the things you didn't even fully understand.Don't worry, I'm working on something else and just replying to you while I'm waiting on things. I've read enough to know that you're a retard. Looking back at some of your argument with him, it looks like I was spot on with what I said your impossibly retarded argument that only a retarded faggot would even pretend held water was:>>728900245>Here is one that I will say explicitly for you: beat Grigori using ONLY Reset, Ensare, and Dazzle Hold. No other skills allowed. It's an extreme example but you made an extreme statement: you said there was NO wrong way to play.Like I said in my last post, this is too fucking stupid because no one would ever play that way. At that point you can "Not turning the game on is the wrong way to play" and the phrase becomes completely meaningless. Now you can try to make another snarky aloof reply even though I read you like a book and knew what kind of fucking retarded argument you'd try to make.
>>728905582>no one would ever play that wayThis is not a safe assumption. I redirect you to the famous quote from Mr Coomer. >>728902648Just because you (accurately) think a playstyle is too stupid to use, does not mean the playstyle does not exist, and could not be stumbled onto by someone less intelligent than yourself. Plenty of ways to play are incorrect.>b-but he meantI don't care, since that is not as relevant as what he said. He chose his words poorly initially. A mistake that happens to people all the time when they deal in absolute statements. You inserted yourself into a discussion between two parties who had already reached an understanding, only to regurgitate points that have already been addressed by the two parties that are now in agreement. While he and I were having a productive discussion, you are wasting everyone's time.
>>728906425I thought you said you had better things to do in this beautiful Friday night
>>728906490I said YOU did. I, conversely, do not. Read, nigga. Read.
>>728877913IIRC you're meant to run away from many encounters in Bitterblack, it's a slow progression that remains constantly hard, very unique experience.
>>728906539>no reason to continue wasting a perfectly nice Friday night bickering about it. No reason because... You don't have better things to do? That sounds dumb buddy and doesn't make sense
>>728906707See? You're adding intentions to things that weren't stated by me. This is why you're wrong, and it's exactly what I was referencing here >>728906425.There is no reason to restart a conversation that you weren't involved in after it was already settled. It really is as simple as that.
>>728876124should I go fighter or mystic knight for my yearly playthru
>>728907094>that weren't stated by me. Then what the fuck is this? >>728902971Also no reason to NOT restart a conversation
>>728907342Look again at your previous post.Part A: >No reasonI said this part. We're good so far.Part B:>because... You don't have better things to doI did not say this part, but you're phrasing it as if I did.Part C:>That sounds dumb buddy and doesn't make senseNow you're replying to a thing I didn't say. You're correct that there could be no reason NOT to restart the conversation that you weren't involved in, but that comes with its own slew of implications.
>>728907629No reason but you are still here why? Is the message that the post was trying to communicate but it seems you don't have the reading comprehension to understand that and took it too literally... A sign of autism btw if you didn't know
>>728908025>you are still here why?Because someone (You) is wrong on the internet.And I am WELL aware of my vein of autism, thank you for noticing.
>>728908159So this whole post >>728901516 was just you projecting?
>>728908378No, there was no projection in there. In that very discussion I admitted that I misremembered the number of skills you could assign at a time, though I did include a possible reason for why I would have been wrong about that.
>>728876124if you want to have some fun on shitty ass laptop then yes. It runs on shitty PC too, if you're more like a ADHD type then get Just Cause 2
>>728908594So the reason why you are still here is because me (I) am wrong but someone else has to always have the last word, never cede any ground and that someone is not you? Seems like projecting to me broski
>>728908959You are just making shit up again.
>>728906425>This is not a safe assumption.Yes it is. The HL2 test was not the gotcha you want to pretend it was. You're an idiot.
>>728909109You keep doing it
>>728909198Now you're just being belligerent, so I'm forced to believe that you've seen my point and agree with it but refuse to say as much. If you're saying you'd like the last word after that, then I see no problem with that.
>>728909409But you are the one who keeps wanting to get the final word tho?
>>728876124Absolutely
