https://www.gamesradar.com/games/action/metal-gear-solid-and-death-stranding-creator-hideo-kojima-thinks-we-cant-go-back-to-a-world-without-ai-smartphones-were-the-same/Several devs are offering tentative defenses of AI after the Larian/E33 news. I get the sense its use is a lot more widespread than people suspect.
>>728881236I mean he's wrong. They don't want to go back, that is different from can't.
With devs outsourcing everything to AI, we can expect a decrease in the price of video games right?
>creator ignores his own lessons
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>>728881236>I invented using AI
>>728881310You are an impotent faggot and have no power to change anything
>>728881412more proof that fukushima did most of the writing of the first 3 MGS
homo kojerkoff os a fucking retard and im tired of pretending he's not
>>728881236Did it take you someone saying out loud to figure this one out?
>>728881338If not decrease in price then at least the dev cycle should speed up greatly.
>>728881338they are already outsourcing everything to india, do you see any decrease in prices ?
>developers use AI to "shorten the development times">AI makes RAM extremely expensive>developers now have to use more time to make games around RAM shortages in the upcoming yearslol
He’s a Jewish plant, always saying some gay cucked shit
>>728881620this. based. always let them know
anti-AI = brainlet take
>>728881842this post is weird and womanly as much as it is wrong. why are they like this?
Hideo Kojima is a hack. Hideki Kamiya and Yoko Taro are who Kojima thinks he is.
>>728881963It's 01:44 IST, go to bed
>>728881338No, but we can expect fast turnaround times, which is good enough for me.
>dont use AI, get left behind>use too much AI, only produce slop Clearly we’re going to have to find a happy medium
>>728881236>AI
>>728881338how are they going to pay for the subpar ai service licenses then?
of course we can't go backbillions have been spent and trillions more will be spent in the never ending search to cut corners.
>>728881236We have to go back, Hideo...
Luddit bros we KEEP FUCKING LOSINGAT THIS RATE WE WONT BE ABLE TO PLAY ANYTHING
>>728881338If AI improves productivity then they will surely cut working hours while paying people the same, people will work the same but get paid more or make products cheaper since. I DOUBT those greasy greedy fucks will just pocket the difference and fuck everyone over like every time in history so fsr.
>>728882128Already been producing slop so nothing can change in that regard.
>>728882061it's a little past noon here. don't be so emotional like a woman lmao
>>728881678>>728881412He a hacks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EEKQaNKwKE
>>728881412what lessons? he always just sloppily copied shit. and mgs 2 is the worst written mgs with people soiifacing purely because of le ebin twists.
>>728881236more proof that this hack didn't write MGS2
Bro smart phones are uselessHoly shit lmao I use mine to SHIT.
>>728881310Sure, but the result of going back is getting outcompeted by those who choose not to. In a couple of decades, you'll be the equivalent of those protected amazon tribes, existing purely at the mercy of others. Going back is not a real viable choice.
>>728882289remember that that's just your faggot feelings talking. why not take action IRL? do something about it IRL so we can all laugh
>>728882128get left behind for what, a dystopian futurethere is no happy medium, there's either endless slop where nothing new gets created and nothing can be trusted or every tech company supporting this gets burned to the ground
>>728882445that's just your faggot feelings talking
>>728881236I can easily go back to pre-7th gen games though.
this is the only reason i can think of why ai is bad, as in it fosters lazyness, instead of making games bigger thanks to AI which IS a potentaial positive outcome they'll make similar games to the ones we got before just with more filler content.
>>728881310how can you go back? even if you destroy all the servers, there are already dozens of AI models you can run on home computers.
>>728881338Nigger, theres people who still believe in trickle down Reaganomics.
>>728881338rmao
>>728882445This has as much nuance as a tranny tweet.
>>728881338They said the same thing when things went digital. Now things cost MORE.
Amusing that gamers who for so long complained about "bad ai" in games are getting dunked on by AI so hard lol da fuck Timmy gon do naw?
>>728881338Fucking LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY :D
>>728881338no, they will just make more money due to lowering costs/budgets
>>728882669adjusting for inflation, games are getting cheaper on average. Cost of gas/eggs/milk has doubled in the past 20 years while games cost just 15-20% more.
>>728882954People are dying Cloud
We can go back.
>>728881678No he didn't.>>728881412Tale as old as time.
>>728881412When the cat is out of the bag you have to adapt or get left behind.
>>728882553fucking morons on this board dont realize that the nightmare scenario is always the realistic one. youll get more vibe coded broken uninspired rehashed garbage ie ai remasters and youll pay $90 per game + tip. none of the games will be optimized for the $1000 ram sticks. the only saving grace will be being able to disregard everything past 2022 but theyll triple down on trying to destroy the past too once their greed catches up to them
>>728881412Don't you remember Solid Snake telling Raiden that the conspiracy thing doesn't matter but what he believes in?Kojima was clearly inspired by The Matrix when writing MGS2, but the message of the game is not a huge reveal about conspiracies, the point of the Colonel codec call was to make Raiden doubt about what was real, only for Solid Snake to tell Raiden that what matters is what he believes. Seriously, the whole thing is resolve by Solid Snake explaining to Raiden there's no big mystery.
>>728882954Worst thing is we waste more of the food and resources than we consume. Trillions of eggs go unused and spoiled daily as does the meat of billions of animals, then entire regions are deforested or strip-mined to make room for more. Oh and overpopulation. Shithole third-world countries account for a good 4 billion already.
>>728881236Smartphones are actually profitable though
>>728881338No but you'll get shit games... faster!
What happens if you close the data centers
>>728883494The best part is that businesses get actively punished if they want to share their food nearing the expiration date with poor and homeless people, like that one bakery getting fucked by our version of irs in my country for sharing bread with the homeless.
>>728881310I WILL NOT LET CHINA WIN DAMNITANOTHER THIRTY TRILLION MORE TO AI COMPANIES!
>>728881236Kojima is just joining up with the opinion of his friend, Sakurai.
>>728883806big tech AI will suck a cock, but people will still use generative AI thanks to models you can run on 12gb VRAM
>>728881236>>728883878this has really been a mask-off moment for all these supposed "based" "devs"
>>728884346being pro-AI is based tho, it's been proven only lefty tumblrina artfags hate it
>>728881310/thread
>"muh art" morons getting disowned And just in time
>>728882553I think this will only affect games that would already have been irredeemable slop. So things like AAA games will be affected but that niche actual good game will be unaffected. Therefore I don't see how this will effect anyone with actual taste.
>>728881338They often go on sale.
>>728881236Yeah, (A)lways (i)ndian really worked out for him:
>>728881236I swear the last week must feel like 9-11 for anti-AIfags.
>Smartphones changed society. AI changed society.HOLY FUCK I HAVE NEVER EVER HEARD THIS THOUGHT BEFOREBRO IS A PHILOSPHER!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4wzM9kcqNg
>>728884430if it's pushed by big companies, then it's not basedsimple as
>>728884712But anon, everyone knows society improved greatly thanks to smartphones! People here love phoneposters!
>>728884809It did. Trump won, you lost.
>>728881620Before your steam drill strikes me down i'll die with the hammer in my handI refuse to pay for AI slop in games
>>728884760*unless it has a pride flag on it
>>728881236true, but that doesnt mean its going to be significant in the future. people said the same thing about crypto and nft's, yet neither of those things have viable use cases today despite still being around.
>>728883197People are already buying less AAA games and gigaflops happen left and rightLower the quality even more and the industry will collapse.
>>728881236Smartphones certainly are super convenient.But I have found no real use for AI in my everyday life as of yet.
>>728884981???I sold my Trump NFTs and made a massive profit.
>>728881338Capitalism isn't built upon generosity
>>728881236of course this dude would say this. He haven't made a video game in his life
>>728885020You haven't actually answered the question about viable use case, but instead reinforced that it's a very profitable ponzi scheme.
More coming out. You love to see it.
>>728884903Beware, we will be back with a vengeance.
>>728885819You lost This is a Christian nation, a proud nation, you lost, forever
When will he settle the debate?
>>728886193Weren't the lyrics of some ER song AI generated?
>>728886193>Altmanbart, forgive me
>>728881412>copies manufacturing consent without really getting it
>>728881236>when you saved after a point of no return
>>728881338>>>>>>
>>728881236I thought kojima was a sci fi nerd
>>728886568Hideo Kojima does not pay his employees?
>>728886283>ER>song lyricsLike the harpies singing in Latin? It's not AI, just Latin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x57Pirh97Lc
>>728881310>dude just be stuck in your ways and let everyone pass you by
>>728882410Depends, we still don't know what the dangers of AI will be. See social media, and the porn "social" media. It accelerated social and moral decay like never been seen before. AI might also accelerate something, probably our way to the cold depths of the grave. "We" have it under control, now, but we can't foresee, if those AI fucks decide to fuck us over. Maybe it's a superstitious thinking, but the possibility is there.
>>728887265same energy
The next few years will definitely be interesting.
>Un-optimized AI developed games at full price.The funniest clown show.
>>728881412Godjima was only there to watch over his team mates and give them head pats.
>>728882954Have they tho? Things like digital reducing the cost of production and the many, many more way to monetize a game now must surely count for something
>>728887560If they don't hit AGI in 2027 (they won't lmao) that bubble is going to pop hard
Everybody talks about how AI is evil and how it's never going away but not one of you has tried to shoot Miles Dyson.
>>728881338we can expect an oversupply of garbage that nobody cares for, the price is irrelevantit already happened with VNs
>>728881338xD
>>728881310That's true of any technology but until there is a group with the will and power to change anything about this it's basically true.
>>728881236hey at least he didn't use timmy's shampoo argument
>>728888339>the price is irrelevantnah, you are out of your fucking mind if you think the price is irrelevant. Thats NTR tier behavior
>>728881236It's ubiquitous
>>728888581the price is irrelevant because nobody buys that fucking garbage, retard
>>728881310What? The technology can run on home computers. A "world without AI" would be like getting rid of guns from america on an astronomically larger scale.
>AI will change the way we communicate, and could have numerous benefits, including helping those with social anxiety.I have social anxiety.What the FUCK is this retard talking about?
>>728881236Developers are trying to make their lives easier and create games faster and better than before so why are players so much against them using better tools?
>>728881310Controversial and correct. Every advent of the modern world has been an attempt to treat decent people as collateral damage and bury the evidence.
>>728888808Yeah, you better save face. I was going to eat your ass alive.
>>728888990This, and if you ask me I think we should pay even more for games now.
>>728881412You really think that dipshit believed what he was saying? Any social commentary in Metal Gear is a fluke.
>>7288812361. AI has never worked, will never work.2. AI is literally killing little children in India right now because of global warming. Please think of the children in India, all killed because of AI.3. Please stop replacing our jobs with AI, it doesn't work :((( no please it really doesn't :(((((((Are there any other arguments against AI?
>>728888935hes talking about it in a japanese sense. people who are afraid to order a burger can now order one with an ai chatbot
The only things LLM have changed in my life is making google translate easier to read but only marginally more accurate and making all search engines completely fucking useless because they try to guess what I want to search based on statistical likelihood instead of just looking for what I actually tried to search.
>>728881236This is a pretty basic understanding I don't know why it needs an article.
>>728881236We're already in a world without AI. AI is science fiction. LLMs are not AI.
>>728881236hes not wrong, Billions are invested. AI isn't going away no matter what we do.
>>728882128>>dont use AI, get left behindGet left behind in what sense? People have been releasing games without AI just fine for years. What suddenly changed?
>>728888935lots of people with social anxiety use chatbots as a form of socialization.
>>728881236Now we just gotta hear what Todd has to say about this.
>>728884556How many indie devs do you know that don't use assets from stores or engines like unity or godot?You think those retards aren't gonna start using AI when it becomes officially accepted as good by the cattle?
>>728889135Something tells me you're not interested in the answer.
>>728889317that's like giving vodka to an alcoholic
>>728882954>adjusting for inflation, games are getting cheaper on averageRetard nigger moment
>>728889307AI would allow people to work faster and create more content. Studios that use AI would create more games, more cheapy, and therefore make more money.its like when unity came out. Indie devs who tried to make thier own engine would be spending more time and money for similar results.
>>728889429>You think those retards aren't gonna start using AI when it becomes officially accepted as good by the cattle?yeah because they aren't targeting normie cattle right now so why would they start? the good ones make games because they love doing it
>>728889307>People have been releasing games without AI just fine for years>People have travelled across countries without cars just fine for years>People have sewn clothing without machines just fine for years>People have drawn on paper without technology just fine for yearsYou're right, what did change?
>>728889158Please. Google has been useless for close to 10 years. Google 15 years ago put all the website with the information you wanted in #1, #2, and #3. It was glorious time. I am really pained that the younger generation never knew a time when Google was actually usable, and the best on the internet.Three years ago, before all the AI stuff, Google put #1 into Amazon, #2, #3, and #4 into random ads, #5-#45 into random website which has no connection with the subject, and #45+ into ("We deleted it from Google database due to DMCA complaint"). Fuck, did you know 10 years ago Google shown you the exact source of every single image you could think of, through the entire internet, through Google image, instantly? And then Google literally years by years removed piece by piece that function to the point nowadays it literally can't?Or that you once could do a google image search longer than 100 images? I'm talking 12,000 images?
>>728889231yeah but you know what everyone is talking about and understand what everyone is talking about. A small select few know that LLMs are and the general populace is calling it AI, so its the correct term now.
>>728889592And they will fall for the "AI is just a tool" shit like every other redditor. Indie games WILL get sloppier. It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". Your optimism here is naive and uncalled for.
>>728881236steve jobs invented a human needI'm jealous
>>728889437I'm genuinelly kinda interested. Beside it didn't work and please stealing our jobs with something that doesn't work and could never steal our job because it doesn't work, and the fear mongering about killing the human race, is there a serious argument against AI?
>>728881338and deprive those poor overworked CEOs of their bonus? oy vey
>>728881236and look at the consequences of smartphones on the Whole fucking World, also fuck Kojima>>728881338hahahahahaha, two more weeks anon
>>728889537Oh, ok, so by "left behind" you mean "They'll release a good game once every 6 years that will not be as popular but will be beloved by people with taste while the AI sloppers flood the market with garbage".There's no happy medium, then. Please get left behind if you value the shit you make at all and are passionate about your work more than about getting famous or rich, like all the good indie devs around.>>728889615Remember when you also compared VRslop and Crypto to horses vs cars?
>>728889683The funny part is that when the bubble pops, it will only affect LLMs. Generative AI will stay because that shit runs on a 3060.
>>728889883I'm waiting for the fallout of it, its going to be legendary.
>and with AI compensating for this, maybe they could grow close with others… It would undoubtedly be convenient."So stupid. AI only validates you and no one will ever talk to an AI companion who was occasionally mean/disapproving of you.Kojimafans really are all fucking losers, aren't they? Go outside and talk to people instead of listening to this loon.
>>728881338Games are effectively free right now. You can pay a few bucks for an indie game. You can play flat out free games. Games that launch at $60 are marked down to $10 a month later in sales.
>>728889883LLMs are generative AI, and can run on phones.
>>728889804Hey, anon, the only time I've ever drawn anything was for art class nearly 20 years ago and all I remember about it is my art teacher making fun of me.I have never paid for art commissions and I never will pay for commissions. I just go to danbooru or e-hentai like every other freak on the planet.AI is slop and I am not gonna spend my money on slop when I've been spending the past two decades only buying high effort games. If you want to cut corners for the sake of efficiency, you're not getting my money.
>>728889883It will only affect OpenAI, let's be serious. There are dozen of other LLMs, all financed by China, random countries, or even France (lmao), which doesn't care about OpenAI being absolute retarded.It's a purely american bubble. OpenAI is trying and succeeding at creating a bubble around itself. When it pops, it will impact Nvidia, AMD, the gov, but let's not pretend the french Mistral 123b or deepseek R3 will be particularly impacted by this bit of financial speculation.Like the internet, the genie's out of the box.
>>728889804why would anyone engage with you if you're being disingenuous from the getgo, that's what anon means with his post
>>728881236>"we can't go back" to a world without AIIncorrect.
>>728889639Three years ago is not before AI as far as search engines go, it's just before they added the chatbot summary.
>>728881236>>728888935He's a globalist so many of the things he says sound like that
>the industry who i hate vehemently that pumps out nothing but shit is going to press a magic ai button and the games will be good now
>>728881236We can't "go back to a world without" covid or alpha-pvp either. Should we all embrace those too.
>>728889871>Remember when you also compared VRslop and Crypto to horses vs cars?nope because VRslop and Crypto aren't being endlessly bankrolled by the US and China independently. AI at the moment is insanely primitive, whether it's useful or actually good is irrelevant since it not only will be forced into everyday life, but will also get 'better' at it's job the longer it exists.You might not like it, and it might be soulless, but it is the future whether people want it or not.
>>728890089I see the bubble popping as NSHIDIA getting absolutely assraped into irrelevance. OpenAI a footnote
>>728890040>AI is slop and I am not gonna spend my money on slop when I've been spending the past two decades only buying high effort games. If you want to cut corners for the sake of efficiency, you're not getting my money.Hey anon, that's fine, that's a personal preference. Chill.That's not an argument though. I asked for an argument. Beyond "it never worked", and "please stop stealing our job with this shit that will/has never worked and will never be able to steal our job we have SOUL but please stop stealing our job :((", and "it kills the human race", is there even one real rational argument against AI?
>>728890337well we made huge advancements and breakthroughs in covid vaccination and treatment so I guess we did embrace it
>>728881236just have to- keep moving- forward arrghhgh
>>728887920>mfw I find out a game I enjoyed used gen AI in its development
>>728890297No. But you can make the game yourself.
>>728881236He's not wrong. Its so easy to make slop with AI that bootleggers and scammers will keep using it even if the AI would otherwise fail.
>>728890565>niggers who have never made anything themselves and cut corners in everything in their life will now magically make good games
>>7288901372 more weeks... get out of here looneytrooney
>>728890343>and Crypto aren't being endlessly bankrolled by the US and China independently.Neither is AI. All the US banks refused to loan money to AI companies because data centers are not reliable collateral. Its the one saving grace when the AI bubble bursts, no bank bailouts needed.
>>728881338Yeah like epic's lower store cut gave people better prices hehe.
>>728884430YWNBAW
>we can't go bac- wait where are you going? Nooo you're supposed to be paying 80 dollars for my AI generated UE5 slop
>>728889639Yes, they have been rolling back features and getting worse for a long time. You will still remember how great it was long after they remove the search results altogether and only give you the ai summary.
>>728889953Just two more weeks
>>728890019That's right, but you know the models that "run" on phones are super shit. The reason OpenAI, Google, etc have bargaining power is because their models are good and require expensive ass gpus. Deepseek caused Nvidia stock to go down because the prospect of AI being available in consumer hardware was against "line goes up". A good LLM that runs on a phone would totally destroy nvidia and AI big tech, which is why you know it will not happen. That's why nvidia is being even more stingy with VRAM for consumer hardware. Same with RAM.
If kojima wasn't treated like a celebrity then people would have the expectation of him to direct a proper video game instead of his faggy social commentary and hollywood worship walking sims.
The use of "can't" is pretty telling. People no longer see themselves as individuals or mankind as an entity with any agency. The whole point of modernity was supposed to be that *we* were God now, we have overthrown Heaven and usurped the Earth as our domain, presumably to colonize the Heavens at some point as well. But now? We don't even have the Earth anymore, the machines run everything. We don't even dare to think for ourselves anymore. There's no need for the human spirit, our resolve, our brilliance; just surrender, live a passive life. As Musk said, just let the machines take over government. Responsibility will be a thing of the past.
>>728890695>t.nigger that can't take a jokelolAnyway, I made $20K dollars with AMD stocks today. I love AI. :))))
>>728890983OpenAI is operating at a loss because the data centers are too expensive to upkeep. More sophisticated AI would only make it even more expensive.
>>728881236sumafos didn't make hardware ultra expensive tho, they did make the internet shittier so that's something it has in common with AI, I'll give you that
>>728889871>Remember when you also compared VRslop and Crypto to horses vs cars?No they don't remember that. Every new thing shilled in the media and in corporate think tanks is the six millionth industrial revolution. >>728890089>It's a purely american bubble>the french Mistral 123b or deepseek R3Those are much more appropriately rated. It's a nice gimmick that finds its niche uses. Some of it might happen in non-hack gamedev and even that is not obvious. >>728890040>I am not gonna spend my money on slopWell not only are you not paying money, you're making OpenAI and Co lose money every time someone uses one of their dubious services. None of it is profitable. They just hype themselves as unlocking science fiction in two more weeks.
>>728882128>be dumbass who can only dabble with new tools: make only slop for couple hundred patreon bux>be already skilled dev who can use new tools: make E33 and win awards nonstopAs always, skill issue
they should take japanese people over 60 out back and shoot them would fix all of their problems
>>728881236>loses goty>starts going off on [current thing] bullshitofficially washed(tm)
>>728891280>Every new thing shilled in the media and in corporate think tanks is the six millionth industrial revolution.I member the metaverse being shilled like a new revolutionary thing because uhh avatars on a digital world. SecondLife is old enough to drink. I can't tell if they know and just pretend to sell their snake oil or if they're genuinely clueless.
>>728881338>>728881236You can honestly expect an increase in quality. So many anti-AIs believe that -- because there are a lot of shitty "artists" out there who use AI and share their generic slop proudly -- that all AI art is automatically that same generic slop. No, it's a tool like a pencil and a skilled artist can use it far better than an average non-artist to produce a far better drawing. Anti-AIs dishonestly pretend all AI art looks equally shit as it did in 2022 (with 5 fingers and all) when that's like saying all paintings look like shit because there are bad paintings. It's a tool and actual artists can use it
>>728881412What lesson? He utterly failed at predicted what AI would actually end up being. His shitty game talked about using AI as a tool of information control and curation but we got the exact opposite of that. An automated machine that pumps out nonsensical garbage by the terabyte.AI is the thing pumping out garbage and it'll have to be humans who curate it by hand. Slopjia got it completely flipped.
>>728889871>Remember when you also compared VRslop and Crypto to horses vs cars?It goes both ways. Because VRslop and Crypto had a pretty small scope and weren't technologies that spread and advanced faster than the fucking internet (and still gets leaps better with every new iteration) and yet you say AI is the same as that niche garbage. And before you come out coping about AI being secretly useless or some shit, consider that you are here arguing right now, because a bunch of different companies are coming out saying how they used different applications of AI successfully for their work and of course want to keep using it.
>>728891584How exactly can a good artist produce a better drawing than they could before by generating it first?At that point I'm not paying for a game anyone made. I'm paying for a game an algorithm made and then human jannies went around cleaning it up.
What I find funny about AI in general is how everyone is profiting with it... except the idiots developing it. OpenAI keeps losing money and M$ did admit (for some retarded reason) they got tons of hardware they can't even use because of power consumption. And also how windows' features are all broken, they even had to rollback copilot because it was super shit.
>>728891845Swen literally admitted that it gave him more work than benefit. Investors are forcing this shit down people's throats because it's the current fad.We'll see how devs feel about it after the bubble popped.
>>728881236Retarded man is desperate for attention because nobody gives a shit about his crappy games. More at eleven.
>>728892084The companies themselves may not be profiting but the people inside them sure are. It's very easy to make a living out of flopping when the government pays for every loss you take while letting you keep your wins.
>>728891095>More sophisticated AI would only make it even more expensive.Not exactly. An improved AI model would be more efficient while also delivering better results.In any case, OpenAI will continue to lose money for many years to come. Investors obviously know this.
>>728881236I mean you personally can if you really want to, most people are ambivalent to it
>>728892173^thisbut also, if you genuinely care about "A.I. takeover!!!!" you're a gigantic faggot and no one cares and stay poor.
>>728891960Your prompt and inputs are what make the result. The AI is trained on reality and countless other artists and it gets more and more capable with time. Right now it looks amazing already, I don't know how you can deny it without lying to yourself.So a prompt is like a comment. You can compose a comment it in an infinite number of ways and you can rate others comments (in your head) based on their eloquence or debate or succinctness or humor or whatever it's going for (along with their attached picture for even more effect). You make prompts like comments (and with their attached images sometimes) except it's like talking to an autistic savant in some kind of weird stream of consciousness format. That's one aspect of it.The other aspect is being a visionary. You may have something very specific in your minds eye (if you have one) and you try to convey that to an AI as effectively as you can. It responds to your words in a different random way every time (though your prompting skills can reduce the variation and mistakes extremely). And you do it like 10-50 times. Then you pick out which one best represents your vision, like a director picking the best take. It's self expression, like painting with a paintbrush
>>728892446just liberal journalists, artists hoping to get normal people to fight AI or maybe even for UBI on their behalf. not happening. learn to code? learn a tradelmao
>>728893067Im a liberal and I support AI
>>728881236Maybe society can't, but I can.
>>728892962Anon, I read all of that, and I promise you that you didn't actually answer the question.What you said:>a skilled artist can use it far better than an average non-artist to produce a far better drawingWhat I asked:>How exactly can a good artist produce a better drawing than they could before by generating it first?And your response is:>Your prompt and inputs are what make the result. Then you pick out which one best represents your vision, like a director picking the best take.You see the problem here?I'm no longer paying for your art. I'm paying for what you thought was the best result from your super-google search. This is fine if I just want a quick fap or a funny meme to laugh about. But i'm talking about actual vidya here. Vidya I want to spend hours on.
>>728881236I wouldn't want to. I want even more technological progress. The problem is corporations taking advantage of everything else. It's come to the point where they are beginning to not even need customers. They just trade stocks amongst themselves and have this internal market going on. It's very volatile. If this isn't a clear indication that the economy should have changed into a projected post-scarcity, violent youth and global banker free model I don't know what is.
>>728892962another layer is using local models which you have much more control over
>ai is like a cellphonei'm so sick of pseuds
>>728892962Yeah except behind all your words is disengenuity. Its just a fancy wall of text to cover up that there is no significant human creation input. Prompting is only marginally better than for example typing words into google search to "create" something
>>728892962>like a director picking the best take. It's self expression, like painting with a paintbrushA director picking the best take is not the same as painting with a paintbrush.I'm not saying it's bad or anything but it's just not really comparable. Painting with a paintbrush is 100% personal self-expression while picking the best take requires some degree of compromise with other entities.
>>728892962That was a lot of words to say absolutely nothing
Trust fund babies will never come to grips with the fact that reality isn't actually about them getting what they want. But hey, they've gotten away with it so far, right?
>>728893284This is trash
>>728891434This but all people over 60.
>>728891519It's funny going back over metaverse hype articles and see how similar they are to the shit we're seeing now
whats the point of consuming something not made by human beings?
>>728893834>>728891519you have to be a drooling retard to compare the twowhat the fuck went wrong in your life
>>728894312spite
>>728894312It's made by human beings. AI is a tool.
>>728883806New homes for the homeless
>>728881412Are you one of those who believe that Kojima has ever had anything intelligent to say? That he "tried to warn us" with MGS2?Buddy, pal, friendo. You're retarded.
>>728893284This is cool.
>>728894554it's not though. a generator is not a tool
>>728894353>3 straight years of retarded horse and car analogies>noo don't compare it to the thing the same techbros pushing AI were shilling only a few months before
>>728894809I wish you were sentient enough to see yourself. You fucking retard.
>>728894845It is different in the sense that the snake oil salesmen have giant institutional backing instead of being the delusional pet project of a lone rich Jew.
>>728881236>made boomers/genxers want to knock others down to sell their own personal aggregated generated slop with themselves as a brand in the latest move of "fuck you got mine" >"trust me man this is getting too expensive for just humans man we can't scale things sanely without relying on using an aggregated slop average matrix for what each pixel can be like man you need to consume the slop and do fuck all no dont try to express yourself dont try to succeed lemme keep you down man this is just like the smartphones see its gonna make you even more of a good consumer looshcow"yikes
>>728881236Japanese devs can't go back to a world without AI because they depend on white people to generate ideas for them to copy but now use AI as a middleman to harvest their data instead of copying and stealing it directly.
>>728894914Are you saying human behavior is the result of weighed averages? Because that's really not how people work.People tend to strive to be outside the bell curve, not within.
the sad thing is there is a world where ai was adopted properly and at scalewe just live in a world where speculative businesses worth trillions can be a thing for some fucking retarded ass reason
>>728881620Remember your words next time you bitch about DEI in your bideo gamez.
>>728882410In what fucking way will AI effect modern day life that it is a necessity to have?
If he is against AI, or not against it, how will people react?Miyazaki will decide this debate.
>Death Stranding 2 is AIslopNo wonder it didn't win any awards.
>>728887265>anon doesn't understand the concept of integrity
We might not be "going back" but I can prevent my money from "going forward". They can remain a company with 0$ and 0 awards. :^) Good luck with that, one dimensional hack.
>>728888990>"""better"""
>>728883806fake US zombie economy would actually have to deflate which scares boomers because line must go up forever
>>728889804>here are all these arguments against it, but plz give me a reason why its bad
>>728893242Because I didn't say that. There's no reason their generated art would be *better* than their traditional art before, aside from enabling the artist to do things they couldn't do before (like create animations and videos that would take a whole film crew or pro animators). But if we're comparing their own real drawing vs trying to make the same drawing with AI art, they should be the same at best. The ability to use images with prompts enables a whole new layer to it all since you can start with specific human works that would be impossible to describe with text. Now a problem is you can copy someone else's art or train a Lora on it and take credit for making art with their creation. Maybe NFTs will have some use after all. But still it's definitely as artistic as being a director, at the least, which I think directing a film is extremely expressive. With AI your creative vision takes precedence over real life obstacles like drawing skill or film budgets. It kind of equalizes everyone like that. The only "real" skill like that that matters is language and prompting skills.
>>728895459Isnt this the fat dude from Mega64?
>>728895308proper ai adoption would be on a local level and as another nerdy tool to fuck around for a bit before realizing it's not too useful 60% of the time and a reason to get potentially fired the other 40%computers should've stayed for nerds
Do these devs ever think about how eventually no one will be buying their shit once AI can just generate entire games for someone on a personal level?
>>728881236is he still pissed over the Game awards?
>>728895767a director storyboards things. goes out with the crew. tells cameramen exactly where to place cameras and how. tells actors what to do. chooses his frames, his time of day, and leaves the rest to god.the best films are always made starting with the visual storyboard that's a direct depiction of what happens in the director's mind and how he sees the film play inside of it.AI doesn't really give you any of this control. which is why as an artistic tool it's massively flawed. the fact its results are an statistical average meant to be the sloppiest, safest most 'accurate' representation of multidimensional matrices linking words to pixels trained on a whole lot of sloppy average data just dooms it entirely for any real artistic behaviors. because all AI can do is emulate what already exists and has been done explicitly in the digital age, what is already trite and boring by result
Idc if you use AI in a project, but i will consider you to be extremely lazy and uncreative.
>>728895916They'll be retired by then. Investment is a tool designed to displace future wealth so that it can be seized in the present.
>>728881236he kinda helped create whole generations of decels with his games, especially mgs2. now he has to use it as a tool to keep pace with competition. fate is a cruel bitch.
>>728881338I know this is a sarcastic post, but it really is insane just how little good LLMs actually bring us. Prices aren't getting better (in fact, they're getting A LOT worse), the slop they produce doesn't justify the cost in either meaning or simple aesthetic, it's not curing any diseases, and it's actually killed some people.B-but wait, just two more years guys! It's inevitable! Please use Copilot! Please donate to my multi-trillion dollar pyramid scheme that only convinces tools are retards to opt-in!!!!!
>>728893468Directing is much harder than painting as it requires shitloads more work and great skills at managing people and projects too. Both are pure self expression though, and so is AI art>>728896074>AI doesn't really give you any of this control.It doesn't-- yetIt is getting more and more capable at understanding exactly what you mean. If the pace continues, soon you'll get some new software suite by Adobe or someone where you're able to give it storyboards you drew (as images) and scripts (as prompts) with consistent actors you generated with it while talking with an LLM about the whole thing to manage it, and it will act just as you want if you do enough takes.>all AI can do is emulate what already exists and has been done explicitly in the digital age, what is already trite and boring by resultIt creates an infinite number of possibilities through mixtures of an inconceivable amount of recorded reality and existing art. It's constantly creating new things in the same way that new artists adopt styles that are mixtures of existing art they like.
>>728881236It really proves that $$$$ is the only thing that matters in this world especially if you want to be successful
>>728881236making line go up is going to kill society there's no fucking way this kind of greed is sustainable
>>728890337What a retarded post
>>728884732Doko? All I find of you are remnants.
>O.D might not work outYeah, because he spent money on having a shit load of Hollywood actors and actresses to be in a video game. This is the same shit he pulled when Konami gave him the boot. He seems like someone that hemmorages money, and most of it is spent being around celebs. Yes, it looks actually scary, but if its in development hell its not looking good.We get it Kojima, you wanted to be a Hollywood director and got treated when they said they had enough military espionage movies. No one gives a fuck who you're hanging out with.
>>728896668Painting requires way more work.>yetDo you have an idea of how computationally expensive contextual memory is for LLMs? And they can't just take the last frame for reference and go from there or save a few actors and magically make the whole a consistent representation of both a storyboard AND a set of actors or whatever.>existing...Look at the origin of religions and the advancement of art from prehistoric times. It came from experience and subconscious expression. Subconscious expression is the whole shtick with art and the subconscious speaks directly with images.
>>728890089>It's a purely american bubble. OpenAI is trying and succeeding at creating a bubble around itself.OpenAI has a mandate of heaven. Capital, talent, and compute will flow to them because they have the highest probability of reaching ASI. Google will lose the AI race because it is structurally trapped protecting a legacy cash cow, while OpenAI is free to burn the boats and sprint.
>>728881236I still don't get the point of any of this AI slop.
>>728897246More like a mandate of Israel. ASI is an excuse to fuck you over lol
>>728895308That's basically the world outside the US and China, and even the second is a whole less insane than the US. Mistral AI isn't trying to siphon all infrastructure investment in Europe.
We can go back to a world without AI because LMMs are not real AI
>>728897152What if you have a beautiful artistic vision to express but you suck at painting? It's just a physical, technical barrier. Like I think I'd be a good director but I have no time or money or people skills to genuinely try. But with AI I can kind of do it, not quite but almost. It's just inconsistent and the clips are short. But with image to video you can give it stills or drawings and just use those as your storyboard.Grok not understanding what a shoulder shimmy is with seemingly no way to convey it to it (I am surely wrong on that) is a disadvantage of the AI as an artists tool (for now), but working around that is a skill in itself.And wait until this really gets going, after this RAM shortage ends and there's far more production. We will just have so much RAM it'll allow that kind of software to work anyway. We are at the very beginning of an era
>>728883878engineers and builders will finally be able to work without the burden of tranny artists just like in the 90s. gaming is healing.
>>728897152>Do you have an idea of how computationally expensive contextual memory is for LLMs? And they can't just take the last frame for reference and go from there or save a few actors and magically make the whole a consistent representation of both a storyboard AND a set of actors or whatever.yes they can...
>>728897721If something is "good enough" for you then you failed as an artist, sorry.>>728897875There are far too many errors in this to count. It also takes a whole video for reference to write over and STILL fucks it up.This is fun but worthless toy tech being peddled as a professional alternative.
>>728897875why did he make himself look like a twink with ai
>>728898190>If something is "good enough" for you then you failed as an artist, sorry.Your own painting skills are "good enough" for your own art, by nature. You can't just imprint what's in your head directly onto the canvas, but that would be the purest form of self expression. You can paint as well as you've been gifted to realize what's in your head. The art is not the painters skill (though that's a part of it, like prompting), it's about the mental image / soul he wants to project on the canvas, and how effectively the real world allows him to do that is based on the same principles as traditional art.
>>728881338Best I can do is to make ram and GPUs unaffordable
>>728881236Feels bad man Don't think a lot of this so called innovation and progress for its own sake has been worth it but it is what it is
>>728898190>There are far too many errors in this to count.welcome to the world of art where nothing is perfect
>>728898986Yeah but most art doesn't flicker things in and out of existence every time anything in the background is obscured
>>728895767>But if we're comparing their own real drawing vs trying to make the same drawing with AI art, they should be the same at bestWhy? Explain it to me. I am admittedly not an artist, but I'm trying to understand.If you're a talented artist, you can draw what you want.Meanwhile, with AI, you need to keep searching until you get what you want.It's the difference between me drawing an apple falling off a tree at the angle I want it and me googling trees, then apples, then trying to mash the two together on photoshop. The latter just seems like it's inherenty inferior if you have the capability of doing the former.
>>728881338Decrease! he ha he
>>728881310Yea no shit. We don't want to go back to horses as the main mode of transportation, or snail mail as the main form of sending documents and letters. They don't want to go back because it's fucking stupid to.
>>728898986Anon, this is cool and all (genuinely), but I still have no idea why I'd want to pay for a vidya that uses this rather than making their own animations.I can get why it'd be fun to buy whichever program did that and do it yourself. But why would I want to pay for it?
>>728897246Didn't some top AI guy quit his company because he said they were on the cusp of creating AGI and he said it was unethical or something? Maybe they should get on that because so far I'm not impressed
>>728891589But AI is already used for censorship, just not on the scale it was in MGS2, even fucking 4chan has some kind of AI image recognition for certain uploads because jannies couldn't stop vidya butts autismo.
>>728891589The censorship is literally built-in. It floods us with a sea of safe and sanitized slop. It pushes everything else to the fringes.
>>728881412Kojima didn't write MGS2.
>>728900089>If you're a talented artist, you can draw what you want.you can't really, you are limited by your own drawing skill and drawing tools (to an extent), and by your own creativity. Sometimes the AI will randomly do something that you think "damn I actually like that" and it's just a semi-random variation of your idea (there can always be varieties even in your head) or of your existing traditional art. It's like asking AI for suggestions on something when you're brainstorming, except it's giving you suggestions of creative ideas to look through. This is like the Larian concept art thing. They have a precise idea for a monster and describe it to the AI; the AI makes a bunch of different monster designs fitting the description and they pick the one that best represents what they were trying to convey. This is what real concept artists already do
>>728881236*checks vga 2025 credentials*My reaction to this is similar to when a great big fat person tries to give health tips: I dont take unsoliciated advice from individuals who fancy themselves an "expert" on a subject they know nothing about.
>>728901335HE WAS FUCKING SNUBBED
>>728900847>gamerankingsRIP 6 years ago
>>728899985Reminder that this was AI in 2023.
>>728901102Even in this seemingly innocuous scenario you're describing, assuming it doesn't ramp up into more apocalyptic stuff where it's (((Game Studios))) of a couple of fat cats hiring a bunch of jeets to proompt a video game for them, I'm STILL seeing a problem with what happens going forward.>An artist describes an idea they have >The AI shows them 60 different variations of that idea>They pick the one they like the most and iterate on it, changing some details here and there>Game comes out>It becomes the inspiration for another different artist>They want to put their own twist on a monster from that game>But they don't actually do the twist themselves from the ground up, they ask an AI to do it and try to describe it in loose enough terms that there is some variety while still keeping the skeleton of the inspiration>The AI shows them 60 different variations of that idea>They pick the one they like the most and iterate on it, changing some details here and there>Game comes out>It becomes the inspiration for another different artist...Now multiply this across thousands of different games, thousands of different trees with their own branches of inspiration, as well as different areas of inspiration in general (Areas, character designs, story hooks, etc) and fast forward 20 years.We have now entered an era where the inspiration for everything that comes out in 2057 has been algorithmically defined from other algorithm derived works across decades of iteration.This places such an insane amount of influence on the models that are used across that span. And for what? Games have had no issue being soulful before 2020.I just strongly believe that games that could have been really good will become far sloppier down the line off of that.
>>728901836the "improvements" here are superficial. it looks better but the fundamental issues with this iteration of "ai" weren't even addressed.this is like calling the phone screen hmds "vr".
>>728881236It would take just a couple of facilities being blown up to put an end to all modern chips. This could happen.
I don’t understand why online turbo leftie screechers are so against AI conceptually when it would be the most effective way to implement UBI and communism and stuff. Like, not even a “I hate it because it sucks right now” but a “I never want AI to be good ever”
>>728902470The people that control AI are unlikely to implement UBI and communism and stuff.
>>728881236I have an AI fatigue... I am pretty sure none of these people really know what the fuck they are expecting with AI, It's always something related to "what is going to be or become" for like years now... I'm pretty sure This fucker just want to spend less and charge more
>>728902470>I never want AI to be good everCorrect. Because all that good AI means is more efficient slop. Even in the absolute "best" case scenario you can imagine, where everyone can proompt their own vidya for themselves, that still sounds like garbage to me.UBI will never be real and AI will not change that. When we become useless to the (((elites))), we get phased out. We're more trouble than we're worth. We don't suddenly live in a paradise where the rich just give us what we want.Bear in mind I'm not worried about this becoming true in my lifetime. I'll live by just fine. The actual real issue that will affect me before I die is that media will become slop beyond my wildest imagination.
>>728902470Why are you in every AI thread saying the same retarded shit, you autistic freak
>>728881338>implyingThey'll say the slop AI shat out takes too much effort to fix so prices stay the same
>>728901102>This is what real concept artists already do*and will continue to do, just far more effectively. A concept artist will just use it to provide more good ideas than before.One of the AI's biggest problems is that it's completely tasteless on its own. If you leave it just up to the AI it will make slop in the purest sense. It's like it's got the maturity and taste of a 12 year old youtuber, watch any random Sora video and see. Any video with dialog really, where you leave it up to the AI how to act. This is where humans come in. >>728901945There are an infinite number of ideas out there and we have infinite ripoffs already, I don't think it'd change anything in that regard. It would just make all entertainment content better, and a lot more *really* good ones to choose from because anyone could reasonably make AAA quality stuff >>728891584To the point where everyones got a few favorite games that most other gamers never heard of. Kinda like music nowadays. The top 40 doesn't mean what it used to
>>728902949>There are an infinite number of ideas out there and we have infinite ripoffs already, I don't think it'd change anything in that regardWe can literally already draw very clear lines of inspirations in games right now. From the 80s to the 2010s. The difference being algorithms didn't have any impact on them, let alone meaningful impact.You're being naive. This is the equivalent of seeing kids cheating at tests with ChatGPT and then being surprised that everyone born in 2008 is retarded.
>>728881310You lost
>>728881236ai will disappear after the ai bubble pops in about a year.
>>728903161Too optimistic, I'm afraid.The slop is here to stay.
>>728903079>This is the equivalent of seeing kids cheating at tests with ChatGPT and then being surprised that everyone born in 2008 is retarded.ChatGPT is like a calculator for thinking. It makes people more accurate and reasonable when they ask it for advice (depending on their intelligence, but if you're not skeptical of it it's your own fault for not double checking). But then when they don't have it, they're extra retarded like you said. Because AI factoids and advice usually goes in one ear and out the other, like GPS directions. All in all though the end result is more intelligently behaving people, even if they're retarded without their LLM assistants
>>728881236He's not wrong but he's also just being captain obvious. AI is not just going to suddenly disappear, even if they tried to somehow outlaw it it would be impossible.
>>728886193He'll come out as Pro-AI just as every other notable White and Japanese man of note has. Trannies just can't stop losing, and the paradise of AI generated high quality cuisine will not be prevented.
>>728903161If/when the bubble bursts, that just means we'll stop seeing rapid releases of new large base models.The existing models are more than powerful enough to continue having a major impact.
>>728881310No, it is impossible to go back. You can't just uninvent disruptive technology. Even if a bunch of people pledged to ignore it, they'd just end up behind the times. The smartphone analogy is spot on. I fucking hate smartphones, I curse their invention every single day, but I still need to own one.
>>728890625This but unironically, yes. AI is the idea guys paradise, which is why gatekeepers, trannies, and nepobaby trash are the only ones who will benefit from the "AI bad" narrative, and any censorship/regulation that happens as a result, that will only benefit corporations who can afford to pay fines/buy/use regulated tools
>>728881236Then you also can't go back to getting my money.
>>728903708´>>niggers who have never made anything themselves and cut corners in everything in their life will now magically make good games>This but unironically, yeslol
>>728903161>ai will disappear after the ai bubble pops in about a year.lmao
>>728903851Yes, and no amount of coping will change that. The future will simply be a battle of ideas, skills will no longer matter, and people with the worst ideas will lose and become irrelevant.
>>728904009lmao
>>728900265you have a criminally low IQ, this is just a new way of making your own animationsfucking retard
Hey guys member when the Dot Com bubble burst, & the internet disappeared forever?
>>728903708"Idea guys" have always been mocked for having 0 skills and thinking their ideas are inherently more valuable than the rest. And to have good ideas you have to immerse yourself in the medium to see what's possible, what isn't , and pushing limits. Idea tards have always been the retards in the discussion, same reason why the best porn proompters are actually artists in the first place, since they know what works and where to push the limits. Pure idea guys will keep being the retards in the room, proompting 50 images per day and calling it a day, since he doesn't knows they have severe mistakes and he has shit taste.Also, are you seriously arguing for letting multi trillion companies do anything they want, and that regulations and heavier taxes are actually GOOD for them and bad for the consumer?This post is so fucking retarded it has to be bait.
>>728903161You can't just put the cat back in the bag retard.AI is already out there. It already has present utility and a present userbase in the millions. People are unconsciously or consciously using AI everyday, and due to the necessities of capitalism, it will continue BECAUSE the bubble can't burst.It's the lynchpin of the entire current American economy now. For as long as Trump is in office, AI will continue to be the focus of American growth, and Vance will continue that in 2028 because it's not just necessary but now essential. Even in the astronomically unlikely event that democrats win in 2028, they will have to keep using and pushing AI BECAUSE it's so tied into all current western economic motions.
>>728904204nta every artist is just an ideas guy who also has gifts and skills to realize their idea
>>728904246Bro really going "We'll just print more money". I'm laughing my ass off.The bubble will burst. 100%. I'm not even saying AI will disappear from the face of the Earth when that happens. Who the fuck knows. After all, the .com bubble burst and we're posting in 4chins dot org right now.But the bubble will burst.
>>728881236and yet we went back to a metal gear solid world without kojimbo
>>728904246>It already has present utilityNo it doesn't.>It's the lynchpin of the entire current American economy now.No, it's the lynchpin of a couple dozen jews' investment portfolios. It has only damaged the American economy.
>>728881620This.If you think otherwise you are delusionalNo one could stop the printing press. No one could stop electricity. No one could stop mass production. No one could stop Hideo when he invented the camera. No one could stop television. No one could stop the internet. (You) can't stop AI. And no, bitching and moaning about it online doesn't stop it.
>>728904297>>728904204Tranny cope, "Artists" ideas are fucking trash, they only succeed from people with money giving them an idea and commissioning them, whether it be art of a game, music for a game, or living human prompts (aka most coders)Thank God you evil and malicious nepo freaks will be replaced by true creative genius. I have never felt more joy in my life than seeing you truly malevolent subhumans suffer, squirm, and cry at your inevitable downfall and replacement.
>>728904465>No one could stop Crypto>No one could stop NFT's>No one could stop 3D glasses for cinemas
>>728904246>present userbase in the millionsBecause it's free. The moment they start charging you'll see every poorfag move to the free ones.No one wants to be the first to start charging but they all keep hemorrhaging billions. They are all cooked except for the last one standing that will manage to capitalize on their addicted userbase. It's like uber. Used to be super cheap, alternatives died, then they became expensive. Uber is still in debt btw. And the investment into it was ORDERS of magnitude smaller than the investment into AI. They will never be able to make back what they owe, so they will ask for a bailout, paid by amerifat taxpayers.
>>728904495I'm sorry, anon, I know that you're trying to bait artists, but realistically how many artists even exist on 4chan? Have you ever seen the shit >we drop on the /v/gas?You're baiting no one. You're just looking silly on purpose for people that know what you're doing. Just go do this shit on resetera and enjoy the seething replies you'll get.
>>728882405You would shit on a phone insteas of a toilet, Ranjesh.
japanese people are basically ai anyway
>>728903701You can stop these things though. What technology is necessary is a decision made by those in power. Especially here in America, rulers of the Earth, if our government chooses they can eliminate or make impractical any of this technology, especially one as overblown and pointless as LLMs and AI. Everything is a political, economic, and ideological decision. Why do we have so many cars and so little nuclear power compared to other countries? It's a choice. You can pass laws restricting the internet and restricting phones as well as restricting AI. You can outright destroy the internet with enough motivation and work. People will pretend it's impossible but it isn't at all. It won't fucking happen but hypothetically it could be done.
>>728904526>These totally unrelated things pushed by boomers and get rich quick scammers, are totally related and similar to this completely DIFFERENT thing pushed by the entire tech industry and top minds on every end of the political spectrum because it'll quite literally solve every problem in existenceLol, lmao even.
>>728901836So.. they added more data..
>>728904602If this was true, you wouldn't be defending them, and their downfall from this so-called "bait"
>>728904357>Bro really going "We'll just print more money". I'm laughing my ass off.Have you missed the past year of the western economy?>>728904425>No, it's the lynchpin of a couple dozen jews' investment portfolios. It has only damaged the American economy.If AI disappeared tomorrow, the economic crash that would ensue would leave America looking like Venezuela or Zimbabwe.I'm not saying "AI is positive for the economy", I'm saying "AI is a cancer that cannot be removed at this point". It's too late, so much going on now revolves around companies tied in with AI, tied in with that economic movement, and everyone in the upper echelons of government view AI as the way to 'dominate' the future, like that's why NVIDIA is such a huge stock it is entirely because of AI right now.
>>728904495nah you're just spiteful because luddites are obnoxious. They're definitely not all trannies, that is just shitflinging for luddites saying AI users are all Indian. Most of us used to be luddites about it at one point. AI wouldn't be shit without the real history of humanity that gave it all its training data and that commands respect IMO. But it's definitely gonna lower the skill floor for creating complex AAA-quality works of entertainment, and also raise the skill ceiling. And increase the competition intensely.
>>728881236Surely this new technology will>Make games cheaper>Make development faster>Make higher quality gamesWe had developed all these tools and yet we're not getting a new GTA any quicker.What makes gen ai any different from all that other shit that was supposed to "aid" in development?
We can't go back to a world without nukes either, but because humanity does have a will, we still managed to avoid a 3rd nuke on Japan. But he's making me think that's a mistake.
>>728904526None of those are even close to what AI is doing and that's blatantly obvious
>>728881236i don't want a world without AI. just a world without ai under api. AI should be accessible locally, whether paid or free. fuck you openassi
>>728904727>ludditesThis is such a cope. I use ai everyday and knows a lot more about it than any ai bros, spend a lot of time learning and using it a lot and building custom llm and training my own shit, and I would still prefer the ""tech"" could be deleted overnight, it's a clear net negative.
If you are against AI, you are an enemy of the west.
>>728904872that just means you are a *spineless luddite
>>728904881>account based in india>good goyim, the surveillance state will soon be a reality
>>728904009no sanjay, AI isn't going to uplift the cattle and magically make people smart. the majority of people out there have no skills or talents, are tech illiterate and will go on without making anything.
>>728904727I have never been a luddite in my entire life, technology has been a passion of mine ever since I was 3, I was dreaming about AI, robots, VR, and even 3D printing technological advancements since I was 7 years old, I am nearly 30 now, so no, I have never been a luddite, in any way, shape or form, not even politically, and i'm more on the right wing side of things socially, I absolutely abhor the idea of abandoning technology, I think the "Trad wife wheat field" shit is cringe, I want to like in a futuristic utopia built on the back of technology, I do not want to live off the land like a fucking peasant, and this applies to even the lowest of the low nerds, to the highest of the high ones in positions of powers who have been dreaming about this same shit since they were a child aswell.
>>728904724>If AI disappeared tomorrow, the economic crash that would ensue would leave America looking like Venezuela or Zimbabwe.No the fuck it would not, you retarded tranny. The worst, most parasitic pieces of shit would kill themselves. And everything else would become cheaper and more efficient.
>>728904995I know how much it makes your leftoid tranny blood boil everytime you have to insult brown trash who will also be replaced by AI, just as much as filth like you will.
>>728882128Be like me, and only use AI to make perfectly on model nudes of your waifu
>>728905021I keep hearing this argument. You guys really hate being called "luddite". It's kind of a harsh very derogatory sounding word, it feels like "retard" or "mongoloid" or something.But you fit the definition exactly. It doesn't matter if you love old technology. The meaning is that you are resisting a new technology, especially one that is disruptive to your way of work / life (even if it is objectively more efficient). Like the original luddites which it was named after
>>728904881what about sea and AI(ndian) bros tho
>>728905027I know you're probably in school and don't know what the stock market is or why it's important, but you seem to think AI is just a cheating tool and nothing else, that there is no reason why it gets pushed so hard and has advanced so much in the past year. Were AI to disappear, things would not become cheaper because the entire American economy would collapse. Not because everyone is using AI, but because so much money is now invested in AI, either directly (through AI companies) or indirectly (through companies that provide materials for AI datacenters). So much wealth is just invested in AI that you can't divorce AI from the American economy without incurring a recession, potentially trillions would be lost if the AI bubble burst it has reached the point where that would be the worst economic event in American history, and it wouldn't be fun, things wouldn't be cheaper, America would just die. Companies would pull out, the few who can't would be cut down so the people in charge can run off somewhere else, there'd be far less jobs not because AI is gone, but because so many companies can no longer afford to operate in America due to such a massive recession, and it would just be awful for everyone.That's probably why any bubble bursting won't actually happen. The American economy is so fake at this point that they can just make up whatever they want.
>>728905087jeet melty
>>728905205brb, going to invent a machine that scoops out the user's eyeballs. aitrannies will have to use it, because it's new.
>>728905205Did you respond to the wrong person? I'm not against new technology, i'm literally as in favor of AI as you can possibly be, i'd literally merge with it, if given the option.
>>728905313I propose we kill everyone involved and reinstate the gold dollar
>>728881236>image sourcehe probably fucking asked them to use that image>prease, I am auteur, even though unreal asset flip win arr my award
>>728882128>dont use AI, get left behindFrom who? when is this happening? what are you talking about
You will never be human, pajeet
>>728905460It's literally demoralization>Oh you don't want to use our shitty tool? Well we'll fire you and hire someone that does. So you better start using it as much as possible. You don't want to be "left behind" do you?I think it's quite literally a psyop to scare reluctant possible users into using it
>>728905341that eyeball scooping machine is really threatening my job at the eyeball scooping factory
>>728905460>>728905607It's not wrong.Literally everyone in current education is using AI constantly, huge cheating epidemic with AI being used to write whole assignments now. The workplace will be filled with people who are intimately familiar with using AI for basic tasks.
Who's actually upset over AI and why? I never got it.
>>728884556Correct, this applies to art and music too
>Motion controls are the future, you can't just put the genie in the bag anymore.
>>728905313>why it's importantIt isn't. This isn't the 1920s. The overwhelming majority of the population already have nothing. The actual productive human population of the US have no investments or savings to wipe out. Even businesses exist in two different tiers now; ones that actually make and do shit whose assets are mostly physical and ones that do nothing but pass fake money back and forth between one another. An "ai"/stock market crash would be the single fastest and most effective way of revitalizing the rapidly decaying US economy.But parasitic subhumans would lose everything. Which is why trash like you preach against the cleansing fire.
White people technology btw, ubi soon.
>>728881338they are literally increasing the price of video games to $80+
>>728905769i imagine the people upset over AI were the same people who fumbled the bag and didn't get into bitcoin
>>728881236I don't see how this could comes as a shock from him if you've played any of the video games that he made in the last 25 years.
>>728905673A retard that substituted all his education through cheating with ChatGPT will not be a good professional. He is just a future addict. In 10 years when they start charging(and a lot, this shit costed trillions), he will be the first in line to be the goodest goy subscribed to their latest slop model, more heavily censored than ever.They are literally removing the ability to be independent from AI from future professionals, to ensure a never ending source of subscription slaves that literally won't be able to function without it. They won't even own their own knowledge.
The problem with AI is it eventually will lead to everyone being a neet, there being no purpose in life, and people killing themselves in mass while the government has complete control over you since they foot the bills. It's going to be Hell.
>>728905931I'll be calling those people cyborgs.
I'm not impressed by AI as it is. It was novel initially but now its patterns are very plain, its obviously not a free thinking entity even when it roleplays it for you, and AI content has been jeeted all over everything and I really don't care for it anymore. If we can't go back it better get better because corpos have ripped its balls off and its just as useless as google to me now.
>>728905812>The actual productive human population of the US have no investments or savings to wipe out.Except for, you know, their jobs. That will cease to exist in a recession.
>>728905974Have you ever heard of this video game called Death StrandingIt has a thing or two to say about this
Notice how AI defenders cannot justify its existence outside the argument of "it saves/makes money".
>>728905673>Literally everyone in current education is using AI constantlyI do this and get a masters in pych and then diagnose people with 10 mental disorders with GPT.
>>728906069>Costs trillions>Will be paid by americoid taxpayers when companies trllions into debt aren't able to pay it back>>>>>>>saves money
>>728905931I agree with you in spirit but thats not how this will work. megacorps will subscribe to chatgpts enterprise plan and have chatgpt installed on every office drones laptop. work will function largely the same. the guys who can make pivot tables in excel will use ai intelligently, middle manager nepo babys will be slaves to buzzword ai slop
What interesting times we're living in.So much has changed since 2000.
I'm kinda glad the internet is turning to shit.
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>>728906291I thought it'd have a longer run than this.I'm glad I got to experience it at its peak, at least.
>>728906069uhh yeah? it automates work? thats the point?is your mind blown when someone points out "the existence of autocorrect spellcheckers is to save time"?
>>728905613I'll invent an eyeball generator that makes fake eyeballs to prop up the industry.
>>728905205Not him but I like being called a luddite.The luddites were literally fighting for their lives. Sure, it's convenient for me that they died, but what they did was very honorable. The literally fought against the Jew.In a sense, the luddite "fight" I'm fighting isn't nearly as important. I just want to have good media rather than dogshit slop. I'm not fighting for my livelihood like luddites were. But on the other hand, it's precisely because this is a more meaningless subject that makes it even more ridiculous the amount of people that want to force soulles productivity into it.
>>728884346some gen ai is okay like.. making shit tons of empty fields or mountains
>>728905460I'm whiter than you>>728906125It won't matter once we all have AI robot butlers
>>728905870>JulyMeanwhile, Microsoft recently cut back on AI because virtually nobody uses their Copilot shit.
>>728902470the elites and billionaires are not using AI to implement UBI and bring happiness to mankind.If they could have 16 hours wageslaves paid a single dollar per week, they would. If they could reduce it to 0 and drive you to extinction once they don't need you, they would.The industrial revolution era is a precedent of that.
>>728889843oh look a picture entirely filled with non whitesthis must have been taken at my university
>>728906427I've been seeing an especially funny TV ad for Copliot lately.All of the use cases they show for it are asinine, almost as if the people who made the commercial are openly taking the piss.
>>728905974We're already there/headed there anyway buddyIt's not AI it's el capitalismo
>>728906027Addressed in literally the next sentence, you illiterate transsexual. Maybe I'm biased because I live in a "flyover" state. But most employers here are things like factories and hatcheries whose means of doing business will not vanish into the aether because chaim shekelstein hung himself.
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>>728881236We can't uninvent technology? Woah, that's deep, man.
>>728906427Copilot is trash. Anything that you would want to use it for would be better handled by ChatGPT, Grok, Deepseek... etc.
>>728906381the fight against media slop "because of ai" is retarded. slop exists independent of ai. thousands of slop games were released on steam every day before ai existed. thousands of hours of reality tv were recorded and broadcast. thousands of shitty youtube channels were launched. most animation and art is currently being outsourced to india. look at all the poojeet names in and big hollywood movie in the special effects credits. look at any AAA games credits for all the poojeet animators and modelers. its completely organic slop, no ai involved the luddite comparison isnt a perfect fit. anti-ai fags are closer to anti-flashplayer "motion tweening is slop" fags. motion tweening is now an industry standard animation tool, you were a retard for not noticing the potential back in the day
>>728904881so?
>>728902470>we are going to make you homeless in the street and crash their entire economy, make it impossible to even find a manual labor job and starve everyone to death>you shouldnt be opposed to that because, like, we couldve implemented communism and stuff>no we're not going to do that, why do you care? life is better than ever.
>>728906526>Addressed in literally the next sentence,Do you not understand what a recession entails? Do you not understand that people not even anywhere near the AI industry will feel the huge economic loss right? Even a guy who flips fucking burgers would feel the aftereffects.
the dotcom was bubble shaped and it bursted2008 was bubble shaped and it burstedLLM market is bubble shaped and....
>>728906526you are dumb and werent alive/a working adult in 2008 lmao
>>728881338No we need to increase the price to compensate for all the years it was too low
>>728881620Why do you people get so incensed over this issue
>>728906728>motion tweening is now an industry standard animation toolYeah and it looks like shit.
>videogame celeb comments about something completely unrelated to vidya>now you're allowed to discuss that on /v/ ad nauseumSeriously, we're better than this.
>>728897721Art is an expression of skill. You dont actually have to have any skill, you just need to be trying with what skill you haveIt is the human element that comes from attempting to create something yourself that gives your work artistic valueIf you aren't making it yourself, you aren't making art
>>728883847good. no feeding of strays or bums.
>>728906975>The dotcom bubble was famous for making the internet go away for good
>>728902694>Even in the absolute "best" case scenario you can imagine, where everyone can proompt their own vidya for themselves, that still sounds like garbage to me.in the BEST CASE SCENARIO you cant imagine the benefits? >world without ai>kojima wants to make game>has to suck off jewish investors to collect 100 million dollars in investment money to hire 999 tranny devs to make his game>has to make money back from his game>sells game for 70 dollars + dlc + microtransactions + tip>world with ai>kojiima makes a game himself>releases it for freethats the best case scenario to me, how the fuck would that be garbage? if you think ai will never get there thats fine, but holy shit man you are a stunted retard if you think the best case scenario is still slop
>>728907201no but a lot of fucking useless dotcom companies did die and their promises were shown to be full of shit.It will burst
>>728898606>You can't just imprint what's in your head directly onto the canvas, but that would be the purest form of self expressionno it wouldn't, the transition from mind to canvas via human ability is where the art happensIf you could just project your thoughts onto a sheet of paper you would be making pictures, not art
>>728882116>you get bad games faster and more of them
>>728881338Not really, the costs for them will be lower but the profits will be higher, so for users it will be the same or worseAs far as I'm concerned, they no longer have anyone who buys games on day one. In six months to a year, games will be available for less than half the priceLet the desperate ones buy it and be betatesters. I'm fine with that
>>728895610You realize that as soon as a single generation passes, your resistance will be all for nothing and you will be shouting at the kids about how back in your day games weren't made with AI?It's a complete waste of time to even fight this shit honestly.
>>728881338No, you subhuman goy
>>728904727History of humanity? Don't make me laugh, do you really think the shit is trained on every computer connected to the internet? AI can't reason, it can't even give reliable information, all because it's trained on fucking social media posts. The best you've got is getting trained on github since it's basically a hardware store and it can pull a tool here and there, without knowing how to use it.But seriously, history of humanity. Get the fuck out.
>>728884430this >>728884760Large corporations are inherently globalist, anti-consumer and anti-individual. Leftists hate AI for petty, self-serving reasons, but that doesn't mean AI is good, world is more complex than that.
>>728881236Ai is based>But my jobbbbbbbbhere i got a job for you
>>728897721>It's just a physical, technical barrier. art IS technique, the skill to put it down in an object intelligible or sensible for others and not leave the idea only in your mind. That's what differentiates Michelangelo from a kid playing with mud.The western word of art comes from technique, too.
>>728905607,What demoralizes me is the fact that Anon won't be the one to end my fucking life. Why live?
>>728907494>i deserve to make a living making art chuddie>NOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>728900847>um actually I read a localization so that's why Kojima bad
>>728907241>>releases it for free>>freeYeah and we can all live off of ubi without any collapse whatsoever.
>>728907419ai is trained on anything google webcrawlers can reach. if you can google "free book pdf" and find it, its been fed into an ai. so most of recorded human history has been fed to ais lol
>>728907674Wait until you find out that the most faithfully translated MGS games are the ones that everyone hates
>>728906919You're the one that doesn't understand. Even our recent pre-"ai" recessions primarily fucked people over by cratering the value of their previously overpriced homes. But now people don't even have that anymore.The burger flipper's apartment might change hands. So too might the burger king he works at, the food wholesaler, the slaughterhouse, and the cattle farm. But all of the real, physical property necessary for flipping burgers will still be there. And people will still need to eat. The burger flipper owned nothing before, and will continue owning nothing after.You need to realize that if you're going to recreate feudalism, you can no longer expect the serfs to give a shit about a different lord inheriting the fiefdom.
>>728897721>It's just a physical, technical barrier.You need to know the basics of it or you won't know when AI generates shit for you. You're basically a retard who thinks he can become a master mathematician because you have a calculator in your hands.Fun fact, reason why Dall-E2 images improved from the first was not because AI got better, but because the AI developers manually inserted the rules of three- and golden ratio rules you read in every artbook.
>>728907783>subsidies for farms dry up because no money>less cattle being slaughtered because no money>few cattle that does get slaughtered is bought up by the biggest companies>the existing infrastructure you describe will fail because the companies that owned it and could have paid for the burgers vacated the low-profit areas
>>728907682the world works because we work. If robots and AI work in our place and demand no compensation for it, that means we don't have to work. Money is just something passed out and regulated by authority (the ones who have the guns), and so will UBI
>>728884903moron
>>728907876>Money is just something passed out and regulated by authorityDoesn't change the fact things like food, water and oil are finite. Money is something used to manages those resources. How should those be handled without having government regulated bread lines?
>>728907783>current owners lose a ton of money in stock market>businesses arent profitable enough to cover>sell their least profitable burger king/warehouse/factory/apartment building for pennies on the dollar because everyone else is losing money and needs to sell>new owners bulldoze existing property to build something else>you are homeless and jobless in the meantime
>>728881236We also can't go back to a world where Kojima has someone telling him to not waste time and money on stupid shit.
>>728907863The only thing subsidies ever did was obfuscate the price of food by having you pay it in your taxes instead of at the grocery store. Which has since stopped working now that our regulatory agencies have been actively sabotaging our food supply.>bought up by the biggest companiesYou mean the ones heavily invested in "ai" that you've been insisting would die and take the rest of us with them? And what the fuck is this argument anyway? What do you think they would do with the cattle they buy? Keep them as pets?>vacated the low-profit areasAnd what magical force would prevent people from buying up the now massively depreciated farms, slaughterhouses, and restaurants? Would everyone just agree not to so that aitrannies wouldn't feel bad about being proven to be worthless parasites?
>>728889317That’s so fucking depressing man. That’s so magnificently depressing. Lord save this helpeless world
>>728908476>new owners bulldoze existing property to build something elseWhat will they be building? Your entire fantasy hinges upon this vague assertion with no rationale justifying it.
>>728894312Bread and circuses
>>728895308Newsflash, this world is all there is. There is no such thing as a multiverse like Rick and Morty told you, there is no such thing as quantum immortality, this is it buddy. This is it. This is our only chance. Accept that this is REAL this is IT this is LIFE or perish in delusion
>>728908608>You mean the ones heavily invested in "ai" that you've been insisting would die and take the rest of us with them?The costs get passed onto you because America needs big companies to 'compete'. >And what magical force would prevent people from buying up the now massively depreciated farms, slaughterhouses, and restaurants?There being no capital in them, no foodstuffs to buy for them at reasonable prices relative to the value of the area, and the lack of subsidies for farms would lead to corporate backed farms getting control of far more cattle, in addition to various factors in meat/dairy production that inherently require significant corporate backing.
>>728882128I suspect a market of "completely AI free hand crafted video games" will emerge for a premium price, similar to how you can go to Ikea for a desk, or pay an actual wood worker $10k for a hand crafted solid oak table.
>>728908781an ai datacenter
>>728881338Anon, I...
>>728881338>With devs outsourcing everything to AI, we can expect a decrease in the price of video games right?If only you knew
>>728908893>The costs get passed onto you because America needs big companies to 'compete'.This is a total non sequitur. Can you at least proof read what your bot is shitting out?>There being no capital in themCan they cook burgers there? That's the only thing any buyer gives a shit about.>no foodstuffs to buy for them at reasonable prices relative to the value of the areaSo the value of everything is going to collapse and we're all going to die. But also the "value of the area" will somehow remain constant. And at some point someone cast a magic spell so the principle of supply and demand no longer functions and business owners will starve themselves to death before considering lowering prices.>corporate backed farms getting control of far more cattleAgain, I thought they were all going to die in the slopocaust?>various factors in meat/dairy production that inherently require significant corporate backingAre you niggers capable of anything more than vague corpospeak?
>>728904796AI and Crypto are both massive wastes of energy and compute resources for intangible trash that makes the world worse. You can go ahead and tell me how internet crime money and retarded chatbots that can't do math are super important, but I will think you're a faggot holding the bags.
>>728881620I bet you're sweating with all the news about the AI bubble. Just look at how your lashing out angrily. You probably wake up a few times a night wondering when reality sets in and all that money you dumped into gay-i goes poof. Easy come, easy go.
>>728909012There will always be a market for human made products. Especially as ai slop fatigue sets in.
>>728908220>Doesn't change the fact things like food, water and oil are finitenone of those are finite. With fertilizer we can feed billions more than we even already have. Water of course just evaporates and rains down again. Oil we don't even need because we can just use nuclear (water, meaning infinitely replenishable), if we weren't stopped by a bunch of fearmongerers
i fucking hate how "AI" became an umbrella term for everythingit's like "roguelike" where it literally does not mean anything even slightly specific at this point
>>728881338Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>728911663I was on a call with Netsuite today, and they were shilling some new Claude assistant, and all it does is run reports. Instead of going into the report menu and selecting the report you want, you just ask the "AI" to do it. It's not even faster.
>>728909649I hate both but AI is clearly doing something bigger with a lot more potential for transforming the world, for the worse most likely
>>728881236why would you want to consume media that has had as little human input as it possibly could? That's been "optimized" to the most extreme degree to reduce any actual human expression? Why would you willingly spend money on something so devoid of SOUL?????????????? An empty husk parading itself as a human creation? FUCK that
>>728904425AI has proven utility in things like identifying geothermal hotspots and other things that might've slipped human notice because there's so much data to comb through. It's just that actual practical application of AI is usually limited to per-industry insights like these, while the consumer side of things is just pure fucking slop for pseuds.
>>728912056The usual argument is that >SOUL is not actually a distinguishable factor, and that AI's ability to effectively "mislead" a lot of people is proof enough that it's inconsequential luddite talk more than anything else. That all that matters is whether the end product is able to feel of the right quality to consume without issue. Basically it's people that don't actually care about any creative endeavor or human culture, they just want to be entertained. I think the DOOM community does well to outline the folly of this, because they've basically had this issue tackled decades ago. Random level generators were already good enough ages ago that people were trying to and often able to pass off that work as their own, and those tools have only gotten infinitely better with time. The community just ignores that anyways and still plays user-generated wads to experience each other's creative ideas, expression, or even just their journey as mappers. There's very few active Doom players that aren't mappers, so they're constantly interested in what each other is doing, and seeing what techniques and ideas they can learn from themselves. It's great, and means that, for as much shit as the scene goes through with retards and trannies and DBP vs Doomworlds and all this other shit, Doom continues to be a great game to engage in with other people.In contrast to places like /v/ that are filled with anons that actively hate modders and developers, will never create anything themselves, and gladly claps for slop to be poured down their throats, and as a result it's become an abrasive and cultureless shithole.
For anyone besides the elite who constantly look to find new pretentious ways to spend their ludicrous amount of money, there is no value in the work that is put into something, only how good the final product is. A lot of AI content is already indistinguishable from human made content, and people only turn on it when they find out about it. See Larian. It might be the biggest moral high horse of the century so far.
>>728907065>says the retards that have spammed this board non-stop with twitter screencaps about ai
>>728881310People never change. The moment AI was a possibility it was a certainty. We won't ever go back until AI is no longer a possibility. I dare you to prove me wrong.
>>728895434If we figure it out, the bubble pops
>>728906728>slop exists independent of ai. thousands of slop games were released on steam every day before ai existed. thousands of hours of reality tv were recorded and broadcast. thousands of shitty youtube channels were launched. most animation and art is currently being outsourced to india. look at all the poojeet names in and big hollywood movie in the special effects credits. look at any AAA games credits for all the poojeet animators and modelers. its completely organic slop, no ai involvedAnd now AI is gonna make the problem exponentially worse as it advances.Right now we still get soulful indie games and some even semi-soulful AAA games, and yes, E33, a game that used AI, is among them. But as AI keeps developing and they keep being able to get away with more, even those games will start falling the way of the slop.
>>728907241>>world with ai>>kojiima makes a game himself>>releases it for freeWhat would actually happen is that everyone would be making their own games for themselves. The market would be completely filled to the brim and me and you would just be playing our own games by ourselves. There would no longer be any sense of community. This is the best case scenario. It's fine, I guess, certainly worse than the other far more likely scenarios, but I think I'd get bored of it pretty quick.
>>728881236You're literally taking away women's jobs you fucking CHUDS
>>728912515>I think the DOOM community does well to outline the folly of this, because they've basically had this issue tackled decades ago. Random level generators were already good enough ages ago that people were trying to and often able to pass off that work as their own, and those tools have only gotten infinitely better with time. The community just ignores that anyways and still plays user-generated wads to experience each other's creative ideas, expression, or even just their journey as mappers. There's very few active Doom players that aren't mappers, so they're constantly interested in what each other is doing, and seeing what techniques and ideas they can learn from themselves. It's great, and means that, for as much shit as the scene goes through with retards and trannies and DBP vs Doomworlds and all this other shit, Doom continues to be a great game to engage in with other people.So your argument for why AIslop is good is that we will live in a future where people will ignore it and still make proper games?
>>728913080>there is no value in the work that is put into something, only how good the final product isAnd your mistake is thinking that the overall value of gaming won't fall of a cliff with time when the industry evolves in a direction of AIslop.It's very similar to how movies got much worse thanks to the proliferation of CGI. Bad movies from the 70s and 80s have an enormous amount of soul compared to the bad CGI movies of today. You're letting yourself get entranced into this slippery slope by the AI vidya equivalent of Jurassic Park.
>>728881236Remember how you fucking retards said, "YOU DIDN'T GET MGS2 BECAUSE.. AI BAD?? KOJIMA HATES AI"Same thing with, "CAPITALISM BAD" in the Fallout games. You can create shit without your persona beliefs you fucking dumbass niggers.
Fuck Gay.I.
>>728885491woah, he really is said that?
>>728881236>Tulips will be in every part of your life
>>728907534digital art is already so unskilled that it barely even matters anymoreHow many Michelangelos are there these days despite both the tools and demand being higher than ever
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>>728902470AI breaks marxist understanding of economics, which puts collective human effort above the actual worth of the result
>>728902694If you don't think that you personally will be violently "phased out" then what's the problem with the poor and unfortunate being depopulated?Human suffering would be reduced if there were only well off people alive and served by machines
>>728915217>Daily Mail
>>728897721>>What if you have a beautiful artistic vision to express but you suck at painting?Not really possible, if you actually understand it on a theoretical level (everything from composition to lighting, color theory, the actual historical development of everything you want to represent, the historical development of said representation, etc.), you can have no hands and still paint something that does exactly that.
>>728915352Marx says the easier a product is to make, the less it's valued, the more it changes hands the more it's priced. That's all he says, dunno where you take the bit that it increases worth from
Have you guys ever gone without a smartphone for a while? It’s really nice
>kojimbo says time goes forwards>500 reply threadbravo hideo
>>728903701>You can't just uninvent disruptive technologyDon't tell this dude about all of the ancient inventions our society can't reproduce.When civilization collapses, pretty much all of microchip based tech knowledge will be lost to history in a few generations
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