>create a game designed to be THE definitive way to play competitive pokemon going forward>it’s entirely free, on both mobile and switch, and lets you freely customize your pokemons stats and moves and rent out pokemon, so anyone can get in with ease>…buuuut you need to buy this premium currency in order to do any of that>and if you don’t, good luck winning with a shitty team against all the whales who willHonestly i’m not even upset, it’s pretty ingenious when you think about it
>>728886078people are just gonna import stuff from pokemon home rather than rely on the rentals, so you probably won't see a lot of traditional mobile game whales
doing all of that is really easy and fast in pokemon Scarlet, and you can just export your pokemon from there
Didn't they say that you wouldn't be able to buy the training currency with real money? Or did I hallucinate that/confuse it with another game
>>728886789Oh yeah, it says right on their website. The game's going to be monetized in some way but I don't know if we know how yet. I think some youtube competitive players were speculating there may be more cosmetic options than we've had in the series before, like not just for your trainer but for your pokemon as well
>>728886078So it's straight up pokemon showdown?Huh oh, it's fucking over for them.
Refund your copy of Legends Z-A and use the money to buy E33 / Kirby Air Riders. I'm DEAD FUCKING SERIOUS.
>>728886078This might be the first Pokemon media I'll interact since Sun & Moon
>>728887523No lol
>>728887387i wouldn't go that farshowdown still has a fuckload of alternate/classic formats that can't faithfully be replicated in champions (as it currently exists, anyway) and also doesn't generate income to my knowledge so it continuing to exist doesn't really have any influence on nintendo
>>728886789>>728887120I don’t buy it. Gatcha’s and mobileslop don’t make their money with optional shit, it comes from you having no choice but to put money down in order to keep up as they’ll kneecap you otherwise. And it might just be me being overly skeptical, but I wouldn’t trust nintendo/gamefreak of all companies to be angels and abstain from pulling the same stunt, especially when it comes to fucking pokemon. Hell, just look at the wording>VP cannot be directly purchased>directlyTranslation: “You can’t buy vp, but you CAN buy this completely unrelated currency to buy more vp”
>>728887523Any proof that's made with a.i.?
>>728886078pokemon stadium still best
>>728887523What's wrong with the green thing? You can legit form your hand like that by the way (curl your left hand, tuck your thumb underneath by the palm), I just did it.The lighter colour part is the pinky and the ring is underneath, that is not just one finger LOL
I fucking despise Pokemon and it's fanbase
>>728887523Everything is AI schizos are my new favorite crazy posters.
>>728888591>Gatcha’s and mobileslop don’t make their money with optional shitYou'd be surprised how many peoples' brains shut down if they're presented even the opportunity to spend. The gacha model exploits this because every banner looks like a new thing to spend on that they might miss without spending. Even if most of them aren't.
>>728886078You can’t buy VP.This is why I wish all of you /v/ posters would disappear. Saying the truth or researching something for more than 2 seconds is that hard for you
>>728888591More like you just can’t read and you’re a fucking clown damage controlling after being proven wrong.
>>728890234We are talking about Champions not the Palworld lawsuit.
>>728886078>Pokemon Showdown is really popular.>Let's make an official version of Pokemon Showdown.>But let's include some sort of gamify system to make sure you can't actually create any pokemon in the game without playing dozens of hours for each one.>Probably requires paying the Pokemon Home fee to transfer pokemon into it.I feel like they don't really understand why people use Showdown.>>728890234>You can’t buy VP.Currently.You can't buy VP CURRENTLY.Nobody says they won't add it later as a "convenience" for people.
>>728892342>Nobody says they won't add it later as a "convenience" for people.pokemon home is already that convenienceeven if you don't shell out $20, you get a single box work withit's not a lot of space for pure storage by any means but that's still enough to hold 5 entire fully constructed teams of 6, none of which are set in stone since you can switch them in and out of the box as needed
>>728890313>THE BILLION-DOLLAR CORPORATION WOULD NEVER LIEThe perfect customer
>>728893872No, the point is if you want to pay to win you buy a switch + pokemon game + dlc tip and catch/train them there, it's really fast in the newest games if you know what you're doing, and transfer overthey would actually make less money by making it a simple microtransaction
>>728888591>I don’t buy it. Gatcha’s and mobileslop don’t make their money with optional shitNigga that's exactly how they make their money. You know where the term whale comes from? It's because 90% of mobage players never spend a cent on the game, but there's always that small percent of players who will dump ridiculous amounts of money into the game.They don't need most players to spend money. All they need is that one guy who will buy every cosmetic for his trainer avatar in the store.For reference I've been playing TCG Pocket and never had trouble getting enough cards for a good deck with just what they give you for free.
>>728896957Maybe with the new ones it’s the case but from the few i’ve touched, unless you’re putting down money you aren’t getting anywhere. Don’t even know how far they’d be willing to go with cosmetics to make that worthwhile as a revenue stream given it’s the same company that can’t be bothered to have all pokemon in a game. I’m just gonna have to see it to believe it, cause I don’t believe for one second they wouldn’t use this to milk comp players for everything they got
>>728898769>Maybe with the new ones it’s the case but from the few i’ve touched, unless you’re putting down money you aren’t getting anywhere.I remember when actual freemium games were all over the place, most modern gacha I've seen has a SMALLER gulf between paying and free players. Barring the whales who make up like .01% of the player base and spend hundreds every banner or some nonsense like that, they're necessary for the games to stay afloat but it simply shouldn't be considered a way the game WANTS you to spend your money.
>>728886078Is Showdown getting DMCA'd soon?
>>728887739They have ads.
>>728901198They'd piss off so many people especially if Champions is pay 2 win dogshit
>>728887739>>728901486As if that’s ever stopped nintendo from sending out dmca’s
>>728886268If you can import freely in this game, any theoretical micro transactions are just a tech-illiterate retard tax. Paying for Home or whatever the fuck pokemon uses nowadays doesn't seem like such a bad thing to support Champion's existence. Rather it wouldn't be so bad if Home wasn't some of the most expensive storage per megabyte around.
TPC has been trying very hard to get people into the comp Pokemon ecosystem they aren’t gonna do something giga Jewish it would defeat the intent
>>728886078Can't you just import your mon with already perfected stats/moves from Home? It's not like it's hard to train a Pokémon in gen 9.
>>728888591I think you're misunderstanding the point of Champions.Its not a standalone piece of moneymaking software, its a gateway to get more people into Comp Pokemon. Because that in turn:>Generates more game sales>Sells more dlc for those games>Generates more revenue for the franchise on the whole Etc etc.Comp pokemon has existed for decades at this point but floated in an extremely archaic method of jumping from gen to gen.Champions is a way to condense all the compfag stuff in a single platform and frees up the other games to focus more on telling a story or what have you
>>728902401Yeah but it's already been working, tournament entrants over SV have been growing almost faster than their infrastructure can keep up with. That means they probably feel like they can coast/squeeze some dollars out of the new eyes on their scene.Or at least, that's the cynical take. I like to think that Champions will hopefully make the tournament viewing/review experience better, with people no longer having to do inane shit like try to recreate games from memory because there's currently no way to save replays
>>728886078>>728886078>>728886078Wait so you generate any Pokémon you want?What’s the point of playing the mainline Pokémon games? Just okay Champions, mainline multiplayer will be dead
>>728887523>claim everything is "AI" made>see everyone is already using it, stop resisting "progress"Funny how desperate you lot are to push this.
>>728888591I know this is going to sound insane, but this game isn't being made to "make money" directly. The way that they're going to "monetize" Champions is by locking things (like forms, mons, moves, probably even fucking gimmicks like Mega Evolution, Dynamaxing and Tera forms, etc.) behind console game purchases.Oh, what's that? You want to use new Mega Lucario Z in Pokémon Champions®? Well then you'd better get Pokémon Legends Z-A® on the Nintendo Switch®/Switch 2®, and the Mega Dimension® DLC, then connect your Pokemon Home® account to your Pokémon Legends Z-A® Save file to import your progress and unlock the ability to use it in Pokémon Champions®!
>>728887739>>728901870Gamefreak is apparently okay with Showdown, but who knows how Ninty would act if it got word of its existence.
>>728902720Ngl that doesn’t exactly spark hope that they won’t be jewish about it if it’s just a means to drive vidya sales. Could very well do this by making the vidya a requirement to get in with everything>get into champions>what you can have/get in-game is incredibly limited>wanna have access to all the features? You gotta buy [insert game here] in order to import it to the gameAlso>implying this would in any way improve the mainline game’s quality
>>728903076iirc you have to buy the pokemon in game and the options are on a rotation, so I guess being able to trade them from your other games and will save you the headache and some money, I wouldn't be surprised if pokemon sent to champions were stuck there forever to prevent people from trading out of it too
>>728886078Shouldn't this be on VP or mobile gaming?
>>728904264>I wouldn't be surprised if pokemon sent to champions were stuck there forever to prevent people from trading out of it tooIt’s already been explained how this works, Pokemon native to champions (I.e f2p Pokemon) can’t be moved out of it but imported Pokemon can.
I'm running a ghost-type team for the inevitable /v/ and /vp/ E4
>>728886078People who play Nintendo games are subhuman
>>728903347Oh yeah I forgot they did that with Darkrai and Shaymin in PLA, shit. That'll suck, especially since those were also mandatory to even get the PLA dex completion prize in HOME.
>>728886078a free to play game... is pay to win?? how can this be???
>>728907238>>728887120
>>728905645To be honest I'm just happy there's another game with all the Pokemon that isn't just for storage.
Champions sounds too good to be true, coming from modern Nintendo and Game Freak. There has to be a catch.
>>728907238its a free trading card game too lol. the bifecta of shit p2w money grubbing schemes
>>728908029Yes the catch is you'll have to grind a ton of VP for just one Pokemon or pay for Homes since the free box requires legal pokemon/other games that might not have the pokemon you want in your team so that's 2 games boughted, and if you follow pokemon no one plays the games after 3 days and no one certainly plays online outside of comp fags and finally no one plays the game legit, everyone injects.
>>728887120>cannot be directly purchasedimplies there's a roundabout way of purchasing it
>>728907891Don’t even think that’s true, least at the start. Supposedly only a few hundred will be playable at the start and the rest through future updates, something like an extra hundred per update
>>728908465It’s gonna be the platform for comp Pokemon so probably just>Legends ZA Dex at launch>Gen 10 Dex a month or two after Gen 10 release>Galar Dex after Legend GalarEtc etc
>>728886078More interested how they're managing gimmicks. Is it going to be something like where ALL gimmicks are usable at once or will it be seasonal? For example season 1 is megas only and season 2 switches to tera tera?Will you be able to use multiple on the same team? At the same time?
>>728908465>>728908603Knowing gamefreak I actually wouldn't be surprised if they made it so there is only a set number of allowed pokemon for a season. Especially as I mentioned in>>728908629if gimmicks ended up being tied to seasons. Majority of Galar mons being cut from a Mega Evolution ZA season for example.
>>728908603Champions is gonna be the game that the 2026 world champions is played on so I think the implication is that it will continue on the same trajectory SV is already on
>>728886078>MUH CURRENCY GRINDJust transfer your battle ready mons from SV or ZA
>>728908465Damn that's so fucking ass then, why
>>728908465I imagine each season rotates which pokemon are legal to keep it fresh.
I hope casual and private battles don't limit what pokemon can be usedLeave that shit to ranked where it likely will follow that year's VGC rules and pokemon set
>>728886078Werent the rental teams in Battle Revolution like this? Started small and you unlocked more as you go?
>>728908629Is it going to be something like where ALL gimmicks are usable at once or will it be seasonal?I can see them doing some sort of special/gimmick season limiting to only one but those would be exceptions>Will you be able to use multiple on the same team? At the same time?Pretty sure you’re only limited to one per team, and whichever you choose it can only be used for one pokemon. So you can’t have both a mega and a z-move on the same team, nor can you have multiple pokemon running mega’s
>>728909382Champions works nothing like Revolution
I'm going to level with you, /v/, I love comp Pokemon, VGC doubles is my jam, but I am just about checked out of the discussion regarding comp Pokemon ethics and customs. For years my stance cheating hacked or genned mons is an inevitability that you will need to fight against, having hacked pokemon does not make your fight any more or less skilled or a matter of game strats, but it's against the rules and unethical, it's cheating by definition. People would argue to me that there is no competitive correlation of merit between building a team and fighting with it. It'a like a NASCAR driver also needs to be the engineer of the car. But that's pretty disingenuous. My team never technically needs to be original, I just need to get familiar with it and it functionally works well in the meta. This only really matters for legends and IV manipulation or if you just don't play anything but Showdown ladder, however just because you don't like the rule or you don't see a purpose behind it (beyond protecting the IP, even I know they can't and won't endorse 3rd party applications and that's why you can't hack) it is totally within Pokemon's right to say they don't want this in the rules. If you agree to it knowing you'll hack anyway you may not be (negligibly, when discussing IVs) gaining much more than a time saver, but its still dishonorable to play in the official events like that.
>>728909949Nah "hackers" have the right idea. When gamefreak refuses to give us a way to change IVs to 0 then expects us to grind out shit like a 0 atk 0 speed Ursaluna Bloodmoon they can go fuck themselves.
>>728886078>p2w smogonlmao
>>728910669The extra funny thing about that is there's evidence they were going to put in a way to zero an IV in SV but decided not to keep it in
>>728909756I would assume ALL GIMMICKS will be a more seasonal temporarily available format and not what the main ranked mode uses.
>>728910669Getting 0 IV on mons through eggs isn't that hard. It's annoying, but doable. Legendaries and other cutscene mons you have to soft reset for? FUCK THAT. Especially since most have guaranteed X number of 31IVs, making it even less likely to pull the 0 you need.
>>728910669Sure, you aren't wrong about "ruaty bottlecaps". I'll even go a step further and agknowladge the nessecity of former games and DLC to acquire Calyrex, Urshifu, etc. and that's the bottom line Pokemon is trying to protect by making the rule. However I'm saying this doesn't matter. In speed ties speed IVs matter. Farigaraf uses Foul Play, among other Pokemon. You cannot say the move doesn't matter. It might be niche but it factors, and pros agknowladge those factors can be the end all be all of some matches in a game where consistency is hard to come by. My sole qualm is the fact that you have the expectation to follow the rules as a competitor. If we're playing soccer and you slap the ball in a direction, even if you didn't pick it up or hit it particularly hard, you're playing by different standards. I think that's gay and unsportsmanlike. The rule's existence is gay but so are you for breaking it. It's not even that hard, and to fight tooth and nail on having those perfectly optimal IVs only proves how much it matters, which then feeds into logic for how unfair hacking is.
>>728909756The first season is confirmed to be for megas. We don't know if they'll just rotate between the gimmicks one at a time or if we'll get formats that let us use multiple or all of them at the same time.
>>728904189sauce for that? I don't think GameFreak would even acknowledge fan projects unless they get the bitchelap from the big n
>>728911331Doesnt that then mean the player who grinded for it earned that advantage?
>>728911554Nta, I was told Pikemon will let them syay as long as they never delve into the adventure or capturing aspects and stays a battle sim. Not proof but adds up
>>728886078but is there a way to earn VP without paying?
>>728911745There's no way to obtain VP by paying.
>>728911617Anyone who thinks like this has never actually attempted one of these grinds. People want to PLAY THE GAME, not reset in front of a legendary for literal weeks.
>>728886078why not just play on smogoon or whateveR? no reason to play freemium faggotry eversex with pokemon btw
Hey, remember how in 2019 when gamefreak decided to arbitrarily cut a huge swath of the pokedex in gen 8 and we all just kinda accepted it
>>728913770>and we all just kinda accepted itNo, I do remember when manbabies threw the biggest collective fit the franchise has ever seen though
>>728913906>and nothing changedOther guys right you know.
>>728903153you know the only people who say that kind of "ai is inevitable" shit are the ones who've got money in it, right?
>>728886078What even is the appeal of competitive pokemon? Cause frankly I can only imagine it being pretty boring and uninteresting, both to play and watch>out of the literal 1,000+ options to choose from, only like 50 at most are viable in any manner (35 minimum being legendaries/mythicals)>out of the several dozens of moves your pokemon can learn, only like 6 are viable>out of the many different ways to hone your pokemon’s stats, only 2 specific builds are viable>deviate from this in any way and you will never win no matter what>a team’s effectiveness is built entirely on whether it can counter a different type of team>game’s don’t cone down to skill but whether you can correctly guess and predict what your opponent will do>and if you go against someone with a team that counters yours you might as well forfeit immediately cause it’s impossible to winWhere’s the fun in that?
>>728916564>>game’s don’t cone down to skill but whether you can correctly guess and predict what your opponent will doThis is 100% a skill and is the main gameplay
>>728916564Sure, if you want to just exaggerate and make bad faith interpretations of literally all aspects of it, you can do that.You could also just say it has RNG in it like misses/crits/sleep turns and that makes it a bad competitive game, and that would be a valid enough opinion
>>728887523Retarded shitskin ape.Those are two fingers, and a folded thumb.Yes. You can bend your wrist like that. Well, maybe you can't because you're such a retarded fat cunt.What even is your issue with the bracelet. That's a mega stone embedded in it, you retarded streetshitter.
>>728916564Draft is cool
