ITT: Series entries so disappointing nobody ever defends them. Quite literally nobody. Not even ironic shitposters on /v/
I finished this game because I was on a bad jrpg kick and I've got to say...This game is so much worse than people know.
>>728896304I grew up with friends who would sing the praises of Lunar so one day at the store I see this and go>Oh hey a new entry in that series my friends wouldn't shut up about maybe It's time to give it a shotMy first Lunar. My only Lunar.
>>728896130I bought this piece of shit back in the daySome of the awful mechanics I remember:Running on the field depletes your HP You cannot choose your target in battleSomething about there not being money and some sort of point system to get items?It fucking SUCKS
>>728896130The cat girl is cute. I loved Lunar on PS1. I didn't even know this existed
>>728896130The DS had an oddly large amount of older PS1 RPG's being revived as extremely shitty games. Like Suikoden Tierkreis.
>>728896130It's sad because I love Lunar SSSC and EB
It can't be THAT bad
>>728896304>>728896434isn't the final boss not even a real fight and he just randomly falls down a hole?
>>728897156That was Fable 2I didn't play this shit enough to get to the final boss
>>728896559I heard Tierkreis was just okay as simply an RPG, but definitely not on par with the best of what came before. Didn't they not even have tactical fighrs or am I misremembering?
>>728896130>Running causes HP to go downSeriously, what the fuck were they thinking
>>728897085Go emulate it for an hour or two. You probably won't even need to play it for that long before your mind is full of "Why did they do that?" questions.
>>728897085By all means, play it and find out
>>728897085Read this and find out how bad it is.https://lparchive.org/Lunar-Dragon-Song/
>>728897242No, Lunar Song did this as well. The main villain Ignatius just falls down a cliff at the end.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Y5qBBEvJM52:10 for the fall.
>>728897746Why did he dew it? They told him to hold on.
>>728896130Somebody has to do it so let's get it out of the way: ZTD
Just posting an obvious one
>>728897345your gif is broken anon
>>728896130I saw a video actually covering this whole game rather than just "OMG YOU LOSE HP WHEN YOU RUN" and found out that it is the most maliciously designed RPG ever made, its like the devs were trying to make the worst game possible, losing HP from running is just the tip of the iceberg.
>>728898512Why'd you spoil that? You're in the right.
>>728898795>can only use spells you equip the accessory of>only one accessory slot>mc gets a permanent attack debuff as a story event>can only get items OR xp after battle>can't directly pick your targets>healing magic is extremely costly but ineffective>so costly it takes a few levels for the healer to even get enough MPs to cast the weakest healit really feels like the devs wanted to take down the ship, because no sane person would design a game like this. i wanma be the guy trolls you less
>>728899038>healing magic is extremely costly but ineffective>so costly it takes a few levels for the healer to even get enough MPs to cast the weakest healHoly SHIT
>>728899035I didn't want to awaken anybody's bad memories.
I played this game when I first got my Nintendo DS. I loved Lunar Dragon Song even with its bullshit mechanics because beating it felt like a task for the gods. Timing when I ran from enemies, choosing when to get XP or items, doing all the bounty quests, and then when I fought the bosses it felt more than earned.
>>728898512>work on an ending>get the brilliant idea to "surprise himself">scraps everything and gives us alien fax machine
There's masochists, and then there's this nigga >>728899292
I got this game for my DS when I was like 10 and it quickly became one of my favourite games cos it was the first JRPG I ever played on a handheld and it had a special place in my heart. Then I totally forgot about it till I was like 27 and suddenly thought "oh hey what was that DS RPG i loved as a kid?" And looked it up and found out everyone fucking hated it. Really just goes to show what nostalgia does. At least kid me was right about the world ends with you being kino.
>>728899038Don't forget the fact that enemies scale to your level so there's basically no point to leveling up
>>728899541Literally the exact same situation as me. I remember FUCK ALL about this game (I think the final boss was a dragon in a coliseum? Maybe?) But, I remember when I was a wee lad I absolutely fucking loved it. Then a few years back it randomly popped into my head and when I saw everyone online dunking on it I was very confused but after looking into it, it made sense.
>>728899541Its not nostalgia, its just having better tolerance as a kid. Like, i loved pokemon, absolutely loved staying up playing this shit on my game boy. I try playing any of the old titles again now? I'd start crying from the amount of yawning i would do.
>>728897309Tierkreis is a solid game, one of the better RPGs on the NDS (and i've played way too many) and is much better than the first in game the series. But yeah its missing the war fights which is what most people screech about (and the MC speaking to fast).
>>728899339ZTD was made with pure spite.
>>728897085This is a real dialog in this game:>Villain: "Can't say I'm surprised to see you again, Rufus. Shame. For a while, I really thought you were dead.">Rufus: "Well, my apologies... I do profess to a talent for not getting killed.">Villain: "That's nothing compared to my talent for killing! I'm gonna make sure your head is completely off this time! No mistakes! Try your best, but I doubt it will be enough. You see, I don't want to die."
>>728896130DS games am i right?I would include Breath of fire DQ but some faggots really pretend that game isn't dogshit
>>728900130Dark Dawn best contribution to the Golden Sun series is making all the shippers seethe because none of the popular ships came true.
>>728899038So it's an underappreciated deconstruction of the entire JRPG genre. A cult classic that never found its robes
>>728900384>deconstructionNo one has used this word correctly or in a non-retarded way in the last 20 years.
Would love to mention Other M but that piece of shit has a super loud vocal minority that loves to pretend it's actually pretty decent if you ignore the cutscenes. I guess that's to be expected with any Nintendo franchise.
>>728897156Yes. You fight the recurring midboss a third time (but now hes purple) and then the final boss falls in a hole and dies, and that midboss was actually the final boss.The game actually has layers of shittiness to it. My favorite one is that any time a character gets a really good piece of equipment or unlocks a useful ability, that character is about to become unusable for the rest of the game.
>>728900130>but some faggots really pretend that game isn't dogshitif you mod the game to make the D-rate not go up nearly as fast, the game itself is actually pretty goodhttps://www.romhacking.net/games/5261/
>>728896130>Hey everyone! Alundra 1 was a Zelda-style game, with very dark themes and nightmare-based dungeons. What are we going to do for the sequel?>I KNOW! Let's make something light hearted, comical, and with no resemblance whatsoever to the gameplay of the previous game!>BRILLIANT!
>>728900130BoF:DQ is more bizarre than it is dogshit. It is a dogshit Breath of Fire game, but it's some weirdass experiment of a game, especially because you're meant to fuck up and lose, and restart, and then you even get more story shit revealed each time you restart. I'm not saying it's a good game, either. At best, it's kinda mediocre, but there's all that and other weird shit still that's just strange overall.
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>>728896130picrel was my first lunar so I was excited to play dragon song. I quit the game almost immediately when I found out sprinting on the over world cost health.
>>728900784>not even just another game localized as Alundra 2, it's the same even in japanWhy did they dood it?
>>728896130Not really a new entry and more of a shitty remake but don't think I have ever seen anyone speak posivitely about Treasure Adventure World. Treasure Adventure Game is a nice little freeware game but World is a disgusting cashgrab unnecessary remake or whatever it's supposed to be.
>>728896130Didn’t even knew this existed and I have beaten the other 2.
>>728897085>It can't be THAT badIt's not that bad. It's much, much worse.
>>728896130By far the worst megaten anything I’ve ever played.
>>728901332>other 2Whoa, slow down there, mr. nigger.
>>728901613>me waiting on marsh's ronde video to actually exist (it won't)
>>728901613if... what?
>>728901613if... was good though. Even if the story wasn't that strong, it had the best gameplay of the SNES SMTs by a mile.
>>728901783https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7t7aQLcik0
>>728901613Wasn't this basically Persona 0.1? Or I'm thinking of something else but I feel like this was the early prototype of what became Persona in time
>>728901978It is the prototype of Persona. A very barebones version of Persona 1.
>>728901978Yup, it basically has all the worst things about SMT and Persona without anything good.
>>728901613>Tad not only self-inserted himself as if's canon FeMC's boyfriend, but he also made the caligula effect/our fucking guy/
>>728900519So you're telling me it's a reconstruction
>>728902264I still need to play Overdose, but the preview system in battles makes the game a fucking slog. They really should've put an option to disable that.
>>728896130Megaman X6
>>728899038Describing having to pick items or exp reduces the bullshit of what this game actually does.>There's an exp and item mode you have to activate before combat>there are also two types of treasure chests, regular ones and blue ones>regular ones are cheap, shitty healing items 95% of the time>blue ones have actual good treasure>To open the blue ones, you have to kill all monsters in their specific area>On top of that, you specifically had to be in a specific mode while you kill them, I forget if it was item or exp>the monsters have a respawn timer in that specific mode, so if you aren't fast enough, you have to look for the asshole that respawned
>>728902413honestly every single point in my list deserves its own greentext, the game is so fucked on such a level it's almost art.
It's so bad it killed the Mana series for a decade. Even Japanese despised it (it was named Seiken Densetsu 4 over there)
>>728902413Oh fuck I forgot about that shit, Jesus CHRIST.
>>728902560I won't lie, the absolute funniest part of the game to me is the fact that the most tolerable portion of it is the segment where you're locked from backtracking, and it's because it's the only part of the game where regular chests actually give you decent gear instead of mostly garbage with one decent accessory.
>>728898512the threads and shitposts were a blast though
>>728902623>saw a post about some japanese guy on twitter who bought a CRT and I think even a PS2 as well as a copy of the game just to play Dawn of Mana (or rather SD4 for him), and despite the protests of others, he wanted to experience it first-hand, as intended, without the inputs of others>he actually kinda enjoys it, but mostly just the story, which is probably the most, uh, "entertaining" part about itGod bless that little nigga for enjoying video games, but at the same time I'll never know what possessed him to do such a thing.
>>728900038i thought this was from that one ff7 rebirth scene for a second
>>728901978Yes the female protag even cameos in Persona 1 and 2
>>728901613I liked it. But I also played it on an emulator with save states and fast forward. That's probably helped.
>>728902867ZTD really is the kind of terrible that is fun to mock. Too bad most shitty sequels don't really fall into that category.
>>728900038Unironically soulful. Reminds me of webcomic dialogue.
>>728900784The original was so good too! I was so disappointed, i couldn't even get very far in this one out of boredom>>728900660This makes me want to play it desu. I love shitty JRPGs that noone has played. But I'm guessing the story generally isn't entertainingly retarded or anything->>728899038okay maybe i won't touch this>>728899186>healing seller, i need your weakest heal>my weakest heal is too powerful for me, stranger
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>>728898704>filtered by THIRD DIMENSION ATMOSPHERE KINO FEATURING OUR FUARKING HEROES ZERO AND AXL (oh and X is there too) You have to go back.
I am still mad, holy fuck.
>>728903835The 3D parts are the best parts of the game.It's the 2D that is pretty atrocious
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>>728903835>le-ebin-chad poster is once again a retarded niggerI beat this shit on an actually PS2, unlike your savescumming, romhacking ass. Take your own advice and shove it up your ass.
>>728903805kek, what is with the ds and featuring these kind of games
>>728898512I'll say it as many times as I need too, I loved ZTD as a comedy game, it was one of the funniest games i've ever played from start to finish.But it's by no means a game that you can remotely even begin to take seriously.
>>728903805I have no idea why the fuck they wanted to make a weird ass party-Ys style game with dollar store kingdom hearts costumes, especially when pretty much everybody from the original version of lufia 2 was onboard and made these very same conscious choices, but GODDAMN did we get some good music arrangements out of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYvaNW-ax-k
>>728898512Doesn't count because I actually think ZTD worked as an ending to the trilogy and that the alien fax machine wasn't even a problem. I still think it's bad as a whole because of the presentation.
>>728897242I remember Lucien Fairfax from joshscorcher's worst bosses list eons ago
>>728904328It was pretty unsatisfying after the whole point of VLR was just to prepare Sigma to get sent back to the past - as an old man who was shown to have become a fairly smart professor having researched genetic engineering and artificial intelligence programming - and his big plan after years of planning was to rave like a lunatic and get locked up. I lost interested in ZTD before it even got to the really dumb parts.
the only good thing about this piece of shit is Fiore's tits
>>728904037It has funny scenes but most of the game isn't funny. It's mostly rehashed Uchikoshi shit until the end, where it feels like he/the other writers either gave up or got bored and started taking the piss instead. I feel like maybe they got tired of the limits of the premise themselves at some point, started testing the waters with shit like the time machine and just lost it by the endThe game is better for it but most of it is so fucking boring and I think people forget that because the ending parts are so funny
>>728904361Good mention, one of those doomed third games like Empire Earth and Dino Crisis.
>>728903805ngl I dont mind the artstyle change. Feels like a less faggy and more tolerable KH despite some bizzare changes like Dekar and Tia, but still kinda works,Im more offput by turning it into what I can only describe as shit Ys.
>>728898512The memes were great, I can't ever come to hate it.I 100%, wholeheartedly believe Kotaro Uchikoshi never intended to make a 3rd game, he thought the series was dead on the VLR and pushed all the plot holes to the 3rd game. Then he got the "surprise, we approved your 3rd game! congrats!" and had to save face somehow.
>>728903805They shouldn't have removed overworld travel.
>>728899038Those honestly do not sound like negatives.
>>728904025All handheld continuations of console classics are shit. Some just have fanbases young enough to have grown up with those entries specifically that believe they're special.>>728903835You're brown.
>>728896130>heroine of previous game was named lucia>heroine of the new game is also lucia (no relation)what were they thinking
>>728905182That's like saying crippling autism doesn't sound like a negative.
>>728905182Play it for yourself then. Maybe it'll be your new favorite game.
>>728905259WRONG. FAG.
>>728905350Sure. And you can pretend Tactics Advanced 1 and 2 are good while you're at it.
>>728903968I did beat it on an emulator as well, but no savescumming because i was on a "PLAY ALL MEGAMANS" run.It was the second worst part of the ordeal.
>>728902413>blue item chests are unique, one-time drops that contain most of the high end weapons and armor in the game>your characters spells and abilities are tied to having these weapons and armors>a variety of mid- and lategame enemies can destroy equipped weapons and armor, or even steal them from your inventory, all of this permanently locking you out of them
>>728903868>2011Jesus Christ, it's been that long?
>>728905182The attack debuff isn't actually permanent but does feel like a kick in the dick.>Here's the MC, he breakdances on enemies to kill them>Does a bit too well at a fighting tournament>King basically says fuck you and puts a spell on his ability to balance himself>now he can only kick enemies once and he sucks as bad as your other party members>until he's cured and becomes the best member by far again
>>728896130I'd never play this, but there was a guy that did this at RPG Limit Break or AGDQ or something like 5 years ago. Oh, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziVKOlMmsKMI really can't believe how terrible it is, especially when compared to something as beautiful and wonderful as the real Lunar games. I love those games so much and I really cannot stress enough how much I was looking forward to another Lunar game. I was on those Lunar fan sites where people would share rumors of a third game.ARGHHHHH WHY?!
>>728896130>there are so few pictures available of the main girl that I can't even make a lorafuckhttps://files.catbox.moe/7vzc5j.png
I still remember the day I got Paper Mario sticker star. The joy, of having a new Paper Mario RPG, when Super was fun, albiet dissapointing and underwhelming. Oh how little I knew.
>>728896304It was one of the first DS games I bought with my own money. You cannot imagine how pissed off I was. To this day I don't think I made it past the first or second dungeon.
>>728905735oh holy mother of godI had forgotten. You unlocked a core memory I chose to shut off.
>>728905735>>728906172SPM already ruined the series and it never recovered from that point.
>>728906290Super Paper Mario at least had the essence, that is the charm of the series. Believe it or not but games can be dogshit but propelled by pure soul.I have seen this. I have partaked in such games before. Travis Strikes Again is a good example.But a game lacking both, Essence AND Substance? It's pure form, a animated corpse pretending to be something.
>>728900130>The entire story is functionally you delivering a letter and having people try to stop you from delivering said letter.>Ended on a cliffhanger.>The only returning characters are Isaac and Garet for the first hour before they're never seen again, and Kraden who follows you for the rest of the story. Everyone else is only mentioned in the glossary with the sole exception of Piers who is talked about like four or five times by random people and Jenna talked about once by the pirate guy from TLA who steals the ship.>Dark Psynergy is introduced and made a major thing yet they do nothing with it.>Introduce an entirely brand new big bad who don't really even have a stated reason for what they're doing outside of maybe getting access to more Dark Psynergy or something.>Three (3) points of no return.>At least a third the Djinn in the game are random encounters in two of those points of no return.>The superbosses are 1:1 the same ones from TLA.>As long as you know the moveset order Dullahan is impossible to lose against compared to TLA Hard Mode where he's beating you to death even knowing the order.>Game is the easiest in the series which should be alarming considering how easy the series is.>You don't even get your final party member until after the final point of no return, roughly three hours before the game ends.>Himi herself is also completely worthless as a party member.>Many of the party members are just worse than others like Eoleo being a worse Tyrell, Himi being a much worse Matthew, and Rief being a much worse Amiti. Karis is the only one who is equal to Sveta. This makes being forced to switch to the second party during the superbosses feel exceptionally awful compared to TLA.>If you want to 100% the game you have to follow multiple guides for chests, glossary entries, and Djinn locations, and even if you do things like the Hermes Water entry require you to stop doing the main story at random and talk to a random NPC for it.
>>728906750You know what, I get what you're saying. But I'm still mad the series only ever had 2 proper entries and that people act as if SPM was totally fine.
>>728906891SPM is unironically the blue prints for the formula they'd use for every game after it, even if one would think that it's soul gives it redeeming qualities, it's safe to say that without SPM, we never would've had another sticker star, let alone what came after it.SPM unironically has more in common with Origami King than it does the original Paper Mario.
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>>728901613>worst megatenHaahhahah no. That's goes to DemiKids Light/Dark
>>728896130Lunar 1 was overrated
>>728908883faggot
>>728903805If it wasn't expected to be a Lufia game it's actually pretty decent for what it is. That one roguelike dungeon is still there and it's kind of neat to do it as an action game thing.
>>728907196>it's safe to say that without SPM, we never would've had another sticker star, let alone what came after it.I think this is a stretch. When they created SPM they didn't make the game with that particular intent Sticker Star was indeed created to be a framework for the series to follow, however. It is everything it set out to be, quirky, unique and experimental.If you wanna blame anyone, blame Miyamoto. Sticker Star was en route to be og paper mario but Miyamoto wanted the "less is more"approach.If I had to guess why, it's likely because they didn't want Paper Mario to compete with Mario and Luigi
>>728906857>and even if you do things like the Hermes Water entry require you to stop doing the main story at random and talk to a random NPC for it.Holy fuck, I thought the OG fort condor was bad.>>728907657>MC becomes a park ranger>main girl never scores with him and instead becomes a teacher or something>fighter girl fucking dies, but not before she fucks the black mage and gives birth to a daughter
>>728906290Super Paper Mario is the only good Paper Mario game.
>>728909216>That one roguelike dungeon is still there and it's kind of neat to do it as an action game thingTried doing that after grinding for the XS size stones and Maxim becomes unstoppable till the deepest floor.Too bad at one point, the game hangs and never loaded out at one of my runs.
>>728911583>t. cried over fanfic-tier vn romance dialogue while ignoring the actual piss poor game
>>728910474Fighter girl's character arc is coming to terms that her turbocancer is more or less uncurable, but even so there's still beauty and worth in what remains of her life. So her getting hitched with black mage guy, enjoying a brief married life with him and only finally kicking the bucket after giving birth to their daughter is a nice way to cap off the story of those two characters.What happened between MC and white mage main girl is retarded though. Main girl very clearly had a crush on MC, and MC became a ranger in the wilderness area thats literally just beside the very same village where main girl settled down in. They're seperated by like a days walk at best. The fuck do you mean they never talked again after the events of the game. Was MC gay? Was main girl a retarded cuck? Mind you, the whole game was completely saccharine with the whole power of bonds and friendship shit. I guess that only matters during the gamr proper?I think someone in the dev team also thought what happened was retarded since in the next game, there's a joke scene where they stumble upon a doujin of white mage main girl.
>>728912174Better than shitty combat minigames,
>>728896130I recognize that artstyle
>>728900130Dragon Quarter is not a bad game. Disliking it because it's not what anybody wanted from a Breath of Fire game is valid, but you don't need to act like the game doesn't have its bad reputation because it's attached to Breath of Fire and not just its own thing.
>>728898512I binged the series and while ZTD was the worst of the three, it really wasn't that bad.
>>728913316>there's a joke scene where they stumble upon a doujin of white mage main girl.WEW>>728913537Oh God, it never hit me until now.
>>728905735Man I remember that time. SPM was disliked a lot back then because it wasn't a turn based game but then over the years I watched the opinion on it flip because the series managed to get so much worse over the years because at least it wasn't Sticker Star/Color Splash
>>728904361DS3 was ironically not a bad game, it was simply totally different from previous games.
>>728896130Developers of Dragon Song hated Lunar, JRPGs and people who play JRPGs. There is no other explanation for how it turned out.
>>728896130it gets a weird defender here and there, mainly for the soundtrack, but digimon world 2 was ass.
>>728898512the power to MIND HACK
>>728904697>still stuck on PS4I guess PS3 too if you understand Japanese.
>>728896130Another "sank the IP" candidate. I'm shocked they ever made VC4 even if it was an extremely safe game calling back to the past.
>>728913537Yeah, part of the reason I was drawn to Idolmaster was my teenage connection to Lunar. I feel a nostalgic and emotional connection to that facial style.
>>728914616I felt as if it was designed by an alien species that completely missed what people like about JRPGs, because I almost get the logic behind some of their design choices. They're just delivered in the most ass backwards way humanly possible.
>>728914870What about VC2?
>>728910387>it's likely because they didn't want Paper Mario to compete with Mario and Luigi>Mario and Luigi falls off the face of the Earth until late into the Switch's lifespan while Color Splash nad Origami King happenA real bitch of a situation
>>728901613It's not great, but I don't hate it. Sloth dungeon is one of the worst dungeons ever created in a game though, will give you that. Other than that, I had an alright time with it.
>>728915182I kinda wonder what a mario and luigi using the wii u could have been like. Brothership was such a fucking slog.
>>728896130I really like the art style for this series. The perfect balance between mature and cute.
for me it's xenosagaeveryone acting like it was revolutionary and I just hated the entire series.it was nowhere near as good as xenogears.
>>728914671I'm probably one of the few people that likes it over Digimon World 3, but I'm not going to pretend it's a secret gem or great. It's slow and grindy but I still like the systems in place, slowly building up the Digibeetle, and finding Digimon to recruit.Honestly if you want to pick a Digimon game, I'd say Digimon World 4 is a far easier pick. That game is mind numbing as fuck.
>>728915456I'm gonna fucking clobber you.
>>728915456Retard this isn't the "post games you don't like" thread it's the objectively shit sequels thread
I liked Lunar 2, the weird pagan shit was a bit much for me but other than that it was fun
>>728896130The Nightmare of Druaga on PS2. At its most generous it's a mediocre dungeon crawler.
>>728915569I prefer Lunar 2 to the first, but the DS game is a nightmare.
>>728896130Easy100% + DLC
>>728915527Xenosaga came after Xenogears.That makes it sequentially made after Xenogears.As inXenogears came out years before Xenosaga came out.As in someone programmed the one game and programmed the next game later.You might even say sequentially.Xenosaga is objectively shit compared to Xenogears.So>thread about shit sequels>game comes out some time after first game>it's shitYou have to go back to tiktok zoomer.
>>728915682Why did you do it?
>>728896304I randomly got it from the discount binI had never played the older games and even I felt the disappointment
Command & Conquer 4
This entry killed the series.
>>728915880Outside of the awful ass Victor Ireland localization, what was so bad about it as a game?
>>728915880Voice acting was so ridiculously bad they literally use an outlaw reel, which sounds better, and they even make fun of the Japanese lines
>>728915278I'm so pissed off at the tiny island bullshit
>>728896130>from the original creators of LUNAR.That's a fucking lie. There are only TWO PEOPLE connected to the original Lunar games who worked on this game. One is the Executive Producer and the other is the Character Designer.So that's even more scummy than something like "From the creators of Left 4 Dead," because there are only TWO PEOPLE HERE!
>>728913537>>728914065I never noticed and I was a Lunar lover back in the day, although I was drawn to the Idolm@aster trailer and designs back in the late 2000's. Never made the connection until you pointed it out. Funny how I'm playing Uma Musume now.
>>728915682i would have sex with nazamil
>>728903805I thought this game was okay. Lufia 2 SNES was just an amazing game, and so it looked terrible in comparison. Also, nobody would've bought it if it wasn't a "remake of Lufia 2" so there were a lot of people who felt cheated and disappointed.>>728914671>>728915479I liked DW2 over DW3, but that's mostly because I thought DW3 was terrible. DW2 is still worse than basically any other Mystery Dungeon-style game you could find on the PS1.
>>728915573I am a weirdo who loves Druaga, Return of Ishtar, and even the recently-translated Blue Crystal Rod, but Nightmare of Druaga was kind of boring so I never made it more than 30 floors in or so.Losing out to a literal SNES vn/adventure game/point n click...
>>728915573>>728916275that being said the only part I actually distinctly remember and am fond of is Ishtar bitching you out every time you tried to cheat the game's roguelike autosave stuff by turning off the console or resetting. I always wondered if she'd really reset your game like she threatened...
>>728898704I think this game is overly hated. Its just a couple adjustments away from being a good game.
>>728913537>>728914065>>728916167The artist is Toshiyuki Kubooka.As the recent Lunar Collection shown, his style changed a bit.
>>728896304It really, really is. I played it when it was new. It's legitimately one of the worse RPGs around.
>>728915978For starters it didn't include the namesake: night conversations. This is a mechanic that was present in every single other game in the series. 6 is supposed to be a celebration of all the Summon Night with everyone appearing again but they're all flanderized and poorly represented. Some of them hog way too much screentime compared to everyone else and they often have awkward or nonsensical character progression. They also outright go against their previous iteration counterparts in mechanics and personality.There were some absurd decisions like the Vita version having more music than the PS4 version and changing the beloved character designer.The gameplay itself is piss easy because they dumbed down or took away mechanics.Also not as many minigames.It was a disgrace.
>>728915801I must get all trophiesGame wasn’t that awful, but the dialogue progressively got worse and halfway through the game I started skipping everything
>>728905259This and DK94 would like a word.
>>728897693Yep...time to reread the saga.
>ubisofteven then
>>728916449What the fuck happened to Nall's wings?
>>728898704The Sonic 06 of video games.
>>728899038Don't forget the part where shit level scales, so you actually make things worse if you level up and the best actual way is to stay level 1 and just use items to kill shit.
>>728905403They were. And Onimusha tactics while we are at it.
>>728916490>They also outright go against their previous iteration counterparts in personality.Okay, I can understand devs being retarded enough to do this due to their own headcanons and pandering to fanboys.>in mechanicsBut this is just weird. How do you just consciously change a character's mechanics, and assumedly their actions, stats, and the way they fight?
>>728916924Didn't the MC want to fuck his sister or something? I just vaguely remember the screencaps.
>>728903535It also at least remained an entertaining spectacle. I feel bad for anyone who was expecting a quality conclusion though.
>>728916972Honestly I don't really remember much about the game's plot(something about the four divine beasts and the standard series villians being back yet again), just that it was fun enough tactics game. That era had a fair number of tactics spinoffs in general. I miss it.
>>728905521That's the kind of shit an insanely hostile DM would do.
>>728916449he didn't change his style he just start using modern computers to redraw his old work.there is a reason everything looks the same, sounds the same, etc
Is Ys Strategy any good? I didn't care for the music.
>>728917156I need a nigga to romhack this to actually make it challenging.
>>728914870>VC1: console/PC>VC2: handheld>VC3: handheld (Japan only)>VC4: console/PCIt's just dumb mismanagement that hampers this franchise's momentum.
>>728917305>it has a prima game guide anywaysOh no no no no
>>728905292It's not, it makes you immune to propaganda and women.
>>728917360No, being a shut-in does that. Autism just makes you qualify for the special olympics. If you have lesser autism, then you can be smart enough to dab on everybody. If you have more severe autism though, then even if you win, you're still retarded.
>>728907657Overhated.
>>728917326Didn't VC1 (PC) came out years later and was a crazy success for weeb games on steam, that and FF13?After trying it out I went to look at sequels and discovered that not only VC 2 and 3 were on handheld, but they turned into stupid academy life shit as well.
>>728896130Game is so shit it killed all the worldbuilding (that they already started to ruin from the previous arc) for good to the point that the dev prefers to go and remake the old ones.And for the kicker, the english version is releasing soon and EOPs will understand it too.
>>728896130Since franchise killers are a secondary theme of this thread...
>>728907975Niggas stan tf outta this game tho
>>728913316Sometimes despite everything being hunky dory or whatever through most of a story, jaos will then end it with BUT THEN........SAD THING with no real thought or meaning for it.
>>728917517I legitimately have never seen anyone with working brain saying that they should play any trails post Reverie. And to reach that they already need to torture themselves with ungodly amount of Hahas and Fufus being said every ten minutes or so.
>>728917517There is no way they fucked the worldbuilding up more than they already have been. CS3&4 fucked the setting so hard it never recovered, Hajimari (so inconsequential i forget the localised title) and Daybreak 2 were so stupid it almost felt like malice on the part of the writers. I simply cannot believe Kai can fuck it up more.
>>728906172That was the only 3DS game, or video game I had to play in general for about a week one time thanks to comically wacky circumstances of having to move, packing up all of my other games, and not having wifi to download better games. My hatred for Sticker star is eternal, through intimate knowledge.
>>728896130'Member this one?
>>728915456They're right to dog on you but it's a far from perfect game. Most of the soundtrack is literal silence and occasionally the danger theme as well as the normal battle theme which also plays for boss fights, the gameplay presentation is kind of bland and the mechs look ok but not as unique or exciting as Gears, the combo system is fine but not that exciting, overall it's an interesting game but not one I think I'll go back to when I'm done.
>>728913537That's crazy. I miss artists so much it's urneal.
>>728913537These girls all just look like Evangelion Shinji in drag. Especially bottom row, second from the left.
>>728916154Speaking of dinosaurs and disappointing sequels
>>728917658>I simply cannot believe Kai can fuck it up more.Agnes becomes a goddess and destroy the world world in the ending and everyone, yes everyone, gets thanosed by her as the game ends on a cliffhanger because she was getting rejected by Van after confessing.She's honestly just get wanked as hard and stupid as Rean for the whole Calvard arc but she gets a bit of leeway due to being cute but after Kai, people with any working brain knows that it's fucking stupid at this point.
>>728917731you have low cognitive ability, you are stupid.
>>728917517>picWHERE THE FUCK IS ESTELLE
>>728917635Daybreak 1 was okay, mostly because it focused more on a decently likeable cast and the story wasn't too much in focus until the end and wasn't ambitious enough to be truly retarded. Game's still fun enough tooDaybreak 2 has the gall to bring back the DG cult and sort of soft retcon it by never mentioning the child rape and instead retrospectively re-focussing on their other activity, which would be doing genetic experiments on children to turn them into literal angels and make the villain a random guy you heard about twice whose soul got captured in a magic artifact and also he's evil and a bunch of other aggressively stupid shitThis is why i refuse to believe Kai could seriously fuck things any worse than they already are
You know what, I'm getting kind of sick of this thread's negativity. Let's post some series that were absolutely fine, like this one. Just one game and its sequel (the 3 is likely a reference to MM DOS 3 since there was never a MM DOS 2).
>>728917718I'm glad they never tried reviving this franchise as a gacha where you have to swipe and roll for parts
>>728917886 (Me)Sorry to double post but i just remembered the C thing from Daybreak 2 and laughed out loudThe writers are absolutely shameless
>>728917439>even if you win, you're still retarded.Heh...looks like it's my win, then.
>>728917718FUCK
>>728917635>ungodly amount of Hahas and Fufus being said every ten minutes or so.OH NO OH NO OH NO....Haha...
>>728917305The bleach tactics game was great.
>>728917815>Kondo says that the game won't be as long as Cold Steel>So he is going to give us 4 at the very leastI'm not trusting Falcom anymore.
>>728896130Does Dawn of War 3 count?
>>728917780oh no no no pls don't be real...
>>728917809Never picked this up because I knew it wouldn't be as cool as whatever that character is.
>>728917815Lmfao fucking hellIs there anything worse than the "everyone dies anyway look forward to the next game" cliffhanger. They really are completely shameless. I miss when (CS3) Crow coming back to life was enough to send me into a rage... feels quaint now
>>728914057Its only real crime is being touted as the one that would answer the questions and wrap things up, but instead it was just more questions and a bridge of indeterminate distance into the future.
>>728917997I wouldn't believe this had I not played the series before.
>>728918017CS was 5 games so he's still right
>>728896130I think the idea of choosing between exp or items as a reward is interesting, but then I remembered TWEWY did essentially the same idea but better
>>728917809this game was excellent on the ds, I doubt other systems could control half as well (it was made for a touch screen!). I didn't really like Yggdra Union by contrast.
Always tought it was fun with fun combat and a sweet collection of tiny love stories with wacky 4th wall breaksBut as far as I get, people don't like it, but at least they have an opinion of it unlicke Default II
This piece of shit.only good thing anyone ever says is that it's peak Lara design
>>728917910I actually laughed at omega-xis eating the oopart in 2. Not because it was intentionally funny, but because it was some scooby-doo type shit, even though I was meant to take it seriously.
>>728914671The good thing about this game was that they gave us their own working framework for levelling system and made it better by both Cyber Sleuth and Time Stranger.
>>728917305Imagine being Kuwabara.
>>728900038kino
>>728918146Looked good at the magazines preview screenshots.Plays like shit.
This feels like a fanmade game using official assets.
>>728918140Nope, I love this game. However it does have issues like tonal whiplash between jovial memery and sudden edgy shit as well as reusing the entire world and soundtrack from Default. However the gameplay is amazing, I mostly liked the characters (Mags desperately needs a personality beyond being a Yew simp) and cutscenes, it just needed to be a bit more and live up to its predecessor better.
>>728918154Spiritually, 2 is the most like BN with all its wacky bullshit.
>>728903805I liked it. Prefer the original of course, but I liked it. Shame about 3 and 4(if you want to call it that, since it's a prequel/side-story) though, they were way too half-baked. And as someone else mentioned, that's weird as fuck because the original people were handling it. If this series ever gets revisited the only good option would be to retcon those and do something completely different for 3.
>>728918196Honestly Time Stranger has one of my favorite levelling and grinding system in any RPG with the amount of QoL it give.
>>728917997my brain is overloading
>>728900784Pink girl was hot though?
>>728917809>hear this game is getting remade for Switch>decide to wait for the remake to try it>Switch version doesn't get an English release
>>728917517Karma hits them in the end to the point that they're getting roasted by the shareholders.
>>728918319A buddy of mine swears that 2 is the better game than 3 mechanically because of the satelite stuff they changed in 3 affecting when you can consistently use cards. Is he right or does 3 still win despite that?
>>728902623dishonorable mention
>>728917809The thick amount of tutorial on it is a filter already. I don't think its KitN that killed the series, I think its Gungnir.
>>728917718Evolved was just a mediocre action game with Front Mission in the title. Left Alive was actually a BAD game where devs didn't understand some basic TPS/stealth design decisions.
>>728918640>prequel to one of the most beloved entries>actually has some relatively important/interesting lore shit and even answers a few questions>even gets fucking referenced in the remake of SD3 and the goddamn live action stage play>gameplay sucks mondo assWhat the fuck were they thinking?
>>728918140Second is fineII is shit and I wish it was never made
>>728917914Yeah, but they made Left Alive instead...
>>7289185593 wins big time. It's not perfect but it's easily as good as BN3 and 6 imo. SF2 has gameplay improvements over 1 but the garbage story and encounter rate cripple its good will.
>>728918640>gridbased RTS>units get bottlenecked constantlyOnly stuck with it because it is a prequal to SD3 / Trials of Mana
>>728917503>Didn't VC1 (PC) came out years later and was a crazy success for weeb games on steam, that and FF13?PC port of VC1 effectively began the trend of console ports, especially Japanese ones.
>>728917326>>728917503the worst part is 2 and 3 were both mechanical improvements over the first game that stumbled in some entirely avoidable ways. sadly, going with psp made perfect sense for japanese audience where psp was much stronger.
>>728918742You think the chip setup/consistency meta matters that much though? I honestly didn't care that much because I was happy that I could do PAs again, but he felt going from 1 to 2 to 3 that 3 kinda of threw out some of the improvements that 2 made. It's been too long since I played 2, so I'm genuinely curious.
>>728918706>Left AliveI swear people only cared about it because of Yoji Shinkawa's art.
>>728904025>>728905259>DS/3DS games are amazing (Stardew Valley before Stardew Valley and RF4 is honestly better)>first console release is a good game but has a major flaw that ruins the game for most people (runeys)>second console release is outright garbage that significantly dumbs down farming and tries to be a dedicated action game but fails at that as well
>Questionable DS entriesMight & Magic: Clash of HeroesFinal Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates
>>728918980>farming is a fucking fruit tree in a small potWhyThat said, how is the newest japan-centric one?
>>728918980>and then RF5 happens AAAAAAAAAAAA
>>728918980This game is a masterpiece in comparison to RF5
>>728907657I liked this one but I can understand if prior Wild Arms fans were a little put off by the radical changes to the battle systems. I put it up close to the first game actually. But it has a handful of optional bosses and the first game had that too and they were all fun, same with WA4 for me. That probably helps my opinion of it.>>728918273This is the only DMC I've beaten. I didn't love it. But I had nothing else going on so I beat it. It's not great.
>>728896130Holy fucking shit, I only ever played Silver Star Story on the PS1, I have this game downloaded in my roms collection as part of my backlog, but my god reading some of the shit about this game I'm not sure if I want to play it just to see for myself how bullshit it is or just never bother with it.It genuinely reads like you guys are fucking around, my word.
>>728919030The Guardian of Azuma? Decent but the farming is pretty eeeh. In exchange, the town building is pretty great though.For better or worse though, the canon MC/FeMC pairing singlehandedly mogs all the other bachelor/ettes and I legit can't find any reason to go after other females than Kaguya.
>>728918708>referenced in the remakehuh? did they retcon something?
>>728918840>kinda of threw out some of the improvements that 2 madeMaybe, I played them around release and all I can tell you is that I had way more fun overall with 3 than 2, however I don't remember disliking 2's combat. SF1 was annoying for being so basic compared to BN6 but 2 was definitely a step up from 1. I play for fun and not meta minmaxxing so if he's more serious about it then maybe he's right, I wouldn't know. I'd still say to play them in order especially if you can wait for the collection since they're redoing all the music and adding QoL like turning off random encounters.
>>728919180I went for the pink titty goddess at first but after Kaguya joined and I did her events, it felt like they really made this with the idea of this as an old fashioned RPG with Subaru and Kaguya as the main hero and heroine and just add other love interest options for what-if scenarios.Kaguya's like if Mist/Mana/Shara/Sonja got cranked up to eleven.
>>728915682
>>728919180I had the opposite experience, Kaguya's more basic then the actual designated basic bitch, to the point you're honestly not missing much if she dies
Either this or Spirit Tracks.
>>728919439
>>728919197Just some small shit from the adult characters, and Anise I guess. They never bring up the Heroes of Mana MC though. Strange.
>>728918273>A bunch of shitty games at least have that "trainwreck appeal" going for them to keep people's attention if you're into that kind of thing.>DMC2 is not only shitty, it's somehow manages to be shitty in a completely B O R I N G way.That game honestly deserves more scorn than it already gets. Like seriously I'd sooner replay nearly every other game in this thread before i ever think about touching DMC2 again. At least I'd gets some laughs and "what the fuck?"s out of them. DMC2 is just a void of nothing.
Nobody mentioned Megaman ZX Advent yet?
>>728919439Most people seem to get stumped by the puzzle that requires closing the DS, but I remember dropping it at the point where it asks you to draw a triangle and it simply would not accept anything I put down
>>728918273>>728919559replayed this recently with the "definitive edition" mod and it's just a fucking cheat engine table that gives your weapons distinct movelists, gives the stinger way more reach, lets you DT more often, speeds up a bunch of animations, increases enemy damage heavily and hacks in a bootleg version of jump cancelingand like, it's actually kinda fun. it's a solid 6/10 by ps2 action game standards, just by swapping around some animations and adjusting values. imagine if someone even moderately competent was working on the game at the time instead of the stupidest people possible
>>728917360chris chan begs to differ
>>728905182Lunar Dragon Song has tons of "good ideas" that don't sound too bad on paper. You could build a game around lots of its unique mechanics that would be fun with some nice challenge that is missing in a lot of by-the-numbers RPGs. But holy fuck is it too much all at once in LDS. The game is a grind to accomplish even the simplest of tasks because of the layers of bullshit mechanics. It also has level scaling, so even when you feel like you made progress, the enemies and bosses just get harder. Speedrunners (yes they exist for this game even, and even they hate it) stick to a specific super low level to reliably beat the game.
>>728918273>game so bad kamiya went out of his way to shit on it with the ps2 port of viewtiful joe even though he still worked at capcom
>>728919791He has 7777 autism which rolls over the autism counter and resets his advantages to zero but grants him strange and unique powers all his own
>>728918640That was another weird trend on the DS, all the goofy single-unit quasi-RTS games.
>>728901613Was this the one where people praised the game left and right when it was untranslated and when the translation patch came out everyone hated it
>>728902623>>728918640While we're at it, might as well throw in Children of Mana, too.
>>728896130Idk man, I don't trust user score/opinions after playing trough picrel.Because it made me realize that the majority of modern audience judges the games trough the prism of "if it's hard and complex then it's bad lololololol, 0/10"This rule applies especially to jrpgfags.
>>728915734No need to get defensive, anon. You skimmed the OP and didn't read it properly, that's all. See:>ITT: Series entries so disappointing nobody ever defends them. Quite literally nobody. Not even ironic shitposters on /v/As in, games nobody pretends to like, period. So games unlike Xenosaga, which, by your own admission, had "everyone acting like it was revolutionary."
>>728918980The first rune factory game on DS is so dogshit too. It's a complete waste of time and the grind is way too fucking long to get anything done.
>>728921209To be fair, it was their first game and doesn't fit the thread's intention due to basically everyone willing to defend it due to being very revolutionary at its genre.
Given that one of the secondary themes of the thread is franchise killers.It's not a bad game, and it has one of my favorite JRPG tropes of being able to completely bust the game, but Star Ocean has been a shambling corpse ever since the plot twist. SE not telling Tri Ace to just make a spiritual successor and improve on the writing is classic SE incompetence.>REEEE I'M A CONTRIARIANScreech all you want. It's the truth.
>>728921209this >>728921272You have to give some leeway to genre pioneers, especially when they greatly improve with time.
>>728921303I can't hear your argument over the sound of SIDEKICK SIDEKICK SIDEKICK.
>>728921303people didn't have a problem with the star ocean games after this one because the fictional characters are fictional, they have a problem with shit like the protagonist being called edge maverick
>>728896559Don't forget Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. I know I can't.
>>728921343Samefag here.Also, I liked the game at the time. Would I replay it now? Given all of the alternatives, my honest answer is no. But obviously, I came back for the sequels.
>>728917520what was wrong with it? Haven't had the chance to play these games yet. Does the DS version fix it?
>>728921303If anything it was the next game that was the problem. The plot twist is such a fucking nothingburger.
>>728918080pretty much this, ztd feels like a sidequest. no kyle, radical6 is a footnote, left is not touched upon, brother's whole plan was merely "ensure my birth, convince a few fucks to defeat an unseen terrorist".sigma isn't even that important despite the second game being all about training him and phi.what really stings tho is that the third game happened because of the fans. and instead of making it for the fans he chased the telltale audience and wrote a game so it could be anyone's first, hence how little it actually brings up 999 and vlr.
>>728896559>>728921519>older PS1 RPGs>Golden Sun>Suikoden 5NO ONE in this thread can read
>>728919439Spirit Tracks was not that bad. surprisingly a fun game, much better handled than Phantom Hourglass.
>>728921805The combat system was kinda janky, the story was the weakest of the three, and it had the worst KOS-MOS.3 was the strongest in the series but it failed because people just didn't care for 2.
>>728921805>Does the DS version fix it?It makes it make more sense but unfortunately no one has translated it yet.>>728921303I feel like the plot twist gets a lot of undue hate and most of it probably from shitposters coming in only knowing about that aspect of the story. Yes it's all a game, but the events matter to the people in the game and it still effects them the way life effects us so despite them being in a "lesser" reality, it's still their reality. It's like how brain problems can effect your real life despite those things only being in your mind.
>>728905726nice loras
>>728915278Brothership is so pointlessly bloated.
>>728896130Surprised this piece of shit wasn't posted yet.
>>728921916I didn't play PH, but I HATED ST. I feel like most people who like ST are comparing it directly to PH.Say what you will about BotW, but that was a weak era for Zelda. It did give us the cutest Zeldas, though.
>>728922110Idk, I thoroughly enjoyed that game solely for its new approach on puzzles and refining the touch screen gameplay introduced in Phantom Hourglass. It could've been because I jumped into that game with the absolute lowest expectations, but it's shockingly a competent Zelda title. Not the greatest in the series, but certainly not abysmal like people make it out to be.
>>728896130It's incomprehensible how a game this disappointing can even be made. I'm pretty sure it's instrumental in the death of the jrpg hype
>>728922105That's because it's a pretty good PSP spin off.PS2 fags can seeth.
>>728918146i remember a magazine holding a drawing contest to win a copy of the game and the runner up was an actually insanely good artwork, while the victor was a child's scribble. coincidentally the winner had the same last name as the director of the magazine.also i remember trying to trade this in at gamestop to buy god of war and they wanted to give me $2 for it. the game was barely two years old by then
>>728919413there's a handful of games that i hate with a passion but this piece of shit tops the list easily.
>>728905403Tactics 1 and 2 were cute, but I get massively bored about a third in...
>>728922378dexter is the superior game and ratchet and clank psp games were better.the only notable thing in lost frontier is the return of the proper eco colors like in 1. otherwise it has shit ideas like dark dexter, which make no sense because dexter is already technically "dark dexter"
>>728922464Ah shit, I remember this crap.
>>728896130Apart from the Bimbo on cover, nothing about this is any good.
>>728915026My take is someone quirky wrote a bunch of ideas on paper and a game outline, then told a team to execute them. The team never interacted with the guy or knew anything about lunar and just finished the game on their own with 0 feelings about it. It would explain the result somewhat
>>728914671I liked it. It's a dungeon crawler like mystery dungeon, what's your issue? It has lots of fans, but obviously it's way cheaper and inferior to DW1, which is a miracle game
>>728916275>I am a weirdo who loves Druaga, Return of Ishtar, and even the recently-translated Blue Crystal Rod, but Nightmare of Druaga was kind of boring so I never made it more than 30 floors in or so.How to get into Druaga series?
>>728915880What are the good Summon Night games? how are the GBA ones?
>>728922464Tactics A2 is a better fucking sequel to XII than this shit
>>728922706Another kino PSP game.Wrong thread to post it tho.
>>728922817At least the sequel is a 7/10 with a pretty neat magic system. And then the expansions happened and dragged it down worse than the first game. Holy shit they are bad.
>>728920598Wait, what did you like about it?
>>728915573its boring which is a massive flaw because of how much of the game there is
Golden Sun DD is a literal monkey’s paw wish.Gs1&2 weren’t nothing spectacular but competent gba jrpgs and had dedicated loving autists for a reason. And they kept wishing for a sequel…
>Series 10th Anniversary release>Gameplay being total ass>Equipment system that requires grinding for skills >Party AI is retarded and suicidal>Idiotic story with excuses up the assThe series somehow surviving for releasing Berseria ( By far the better game) is a miracle, but then they released Tales of AriseThis series is cooked.
>>728902376I defend it.
>>728921303You're a retard. They released high budget games afterwards with lots of press that sucked total ass. This game meanwhile is one of the best RPGs in history. The twist didn't kill anything, garbage games did. SO4 was the first game I returned, and I liked SO3's twist. SO4 was just nigh unplayable. Imagine bashing a game for actually trying to do some hardcore sci Fi. If something, realizing their players were mostly anime uguu wankers instead of sci Fi fans made them give up on taking anything seriously. I played SO1 and 2 after 3 and enjoyed them. 4 and 5 are a joke in their own shittyness
>>728898512>game so bad and buggy they removed it from the 3ds storethere's no need to spoiler it, it's unapologetically bad
>>728896130This fucking thing.You guys know what this is, right? It's the sequel to BRAVE FENCER MUSASHI.WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED!?
>>728921974It's not a game to the people who live in it. It's a cool take on how 4D beings struggle with meaning in a post-scarcity existence, so they create a universe where strife and scarcity are unavoidable. But the Owner sees that the same issues creep up anyway as they are interment to consciousness. And then you see that we in the real world create videogames in a similar fashion, as escapism from our own issues, yet the characters we create have to have even worse issues then we do to be meaningful to us. It's the BEST take of any game ever, but retards rage at every opportunity to engage their brain away from the dopamine hits. In that way I can relate to the Owner! Perhaps games are too good for people
>>728896434>Running on the field depletes your HPwhat the fuck? who thought that was a good idea
>>728902264Why did old Atlus look so cool?
>>728923976Kaneko was BIG into fashion.
>>728923007Swordcraft story 1 is good, if a bit trudgy, even navigating the town is a bit of a chore, swordcraft story 2 is amazing and goat for the whole series. Lots of actually great humor which is rare as hell in jrpgs. Swordcraft story 3 is dogshit tripe
>>72892397690s fashion was cool when you weren't trying to look like a grungy hobo
>>728916154That line is actually wrong most of the time. Think of it, if the original creators were doing the game, would they need to spell it out? It's always a few guys. That's how I knew this piece of shit, literally the worst possible game imaginable realized, would be shit before it released. If I were a dev who worked on this, I would kill myself. The fags who worked on this weren't worth the salt of the dev who coded the UI in the original.
>>728917731Bwahahaha you're so right!
>>728917809This shit is Vidya abstract art. They shilled a turd like the coming of the messiah
>>728922612>ratchet and clank psp games were better.No they fucking weren't lol.I own physical copy 4 all 4 of them (Daxter, Lost Frontier, Agent Clank, Szie Matters). Secret Agent Clank is alright because it has unique gameplay gimmick. But Size Matters is full cash grab, you are basically buying an IP brand name not the actual game. It's like they took those awful Ratchet section in prison from Agent Clank, and then they made it into a full game. Your camera is zoomed in 3 times that of a normal R&C game, shooting animations look like cheap shit and the game is kind of empty because of low enemy counts.Out of all PS2 spinoffs made for PSP, this is the worst one. And I played all of them, God of War, Monster Hunter, Mortal Kombat, Armored Core, Prince of Persia, Ace Combat, Ape Escape, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, etc. You name it.On the other hand Lost Fronier is just better. In fact it even has some improvements on some previous games: It has better better fligh combat then any J&D and R&C game before it; it adds some new cool and unique powers like freezing time; it doesn't have the masochistic level design of Jak 2, it doesn't force you to participate in million different minigames like in Jak 3; and also it backtracks out of the NTR route unlike Jak 3 where you outright cuck Kira.>which make no sense because dexter is already technically "dark dexter"No he isn't. If you played the 3rd game then it was very clearly stated that Daxter was turned into a precursor, not dark version of himself. Besides Dark Daxter design looks cool.It's just that the PS2 millennials have shit taste. They are the same people who think Shadow the Hedgehog characters and SW prequels are "cringe".
>>728918640Mana has a lot of turds. Just play SD 2 and 3 and legend of mana. You're good for a lifetime
>>728918830>That picHoly shit, moe is like a disease spreading
>>728924714who the fuck uses the term moe in 2025
>>728923813Didn't know this game existed, now I'm scared
>>728899038The attack debuff part was hilarious because of how contrived it was to the point that not elaborating isn't doing it justice. >the debuff in question is the MC being cursed to not be able to do a headstand, that's literally it>as part of his attack, he makes two attacks, and then does a headstand while making his third attack>this causes him to only make a single attack because headstands are THAT integral to his fighting style
>>728923813Looks like Shaman King
>>728902356My main gripe was the equipment balance being fucked. I found an amazing few pieces of armor in the very first dungeon and basically never changed my equipment for the entire test of the game. The evil ending was pretty fucking funny though with how much of a dick you can be though.
>>728923105Everything? It's probably bast turn-based strategy I've ever played. I don't think there is any other turn-based video game that has as in-depth combat system as ND does.
>>728924804We're talking of older games, anon. Today you'd call it slopification or some other zoomie nonsense babble.
>>728925067Vita or PS4 version?
>>728924982bro you don't get it he introduces himself saying standing on his head is one of the things he loves in the first minute of the game that's totally a normal thing for someone to base their personality around
Even back then, moe was older than the people complaining about it.
>>728917503>VC3>Academy shitThe fuck are you smoking? VC3 is about a penal squad send to suicidal missions, it’s easily the best VC game.
>>728925079The only people I see using the term moe are the same people going on about how they watch 'manime'. I genuinely haven't even seen older anime watchers unironically use moe in years.
>>728924982What the fuck
>>728925170>Yeah they gave up, japan is dead and so is anime
>>728900130>I would include Breath of fire DQ but some faggots really pretend that game isn't dogshitIt's a dogshit Breath of Fire game. It's a kind of neat if flawed experiment by itself. The problem is it really, REALLY shouldn't have been Breath of Fire's step onto the PS2.
>>728905004>Im more offput by turning it into what I can only describe as shit Ys.I'm not sure if you can get much worse than what they did to themselves already.
>>728925094Vita. Does it make any difference?
>>728925631I can not find any info on differences lol. All I've read is there are few extra hard missions on PS4 version.
>>728923813I was expecting this game to be like dragon quarter where it's a cool game that pissed off boomers for being way more 00's anime and different gameplay wise then the OG but a good game but it's a swordfighting game that feels stiffer then the original, which was more like a zelda game aka not only about swordsboth kingdom hearts games are miles ahead of this one in terms of combat
>>728920183i think it was an addiction to the stylus gimmick, a strategy game theoretically seems like a no-brainer but they don't have the resources to go full ass RTS, so they just fuck around with condensing things so it's a hybrid RPG-RTS thing so people can poke a screen. i'm genuinely curious what game(s) started the trend.
>>728925132>VC3 is about a penal squad send to suicidal missionsthat's what the game tells you, but mysteriously none of them actually did any crimes or act like criminals, they act like the goth kids who smoke behind your high school. they go on suicide missions and none of them die and the game doesn't even have the permadeath mechanic that VC1 had.whole game is a 13 year old wearing his dads suit to look more adult
>>728917326This is why I'm thankful consoles/handhelds are dead and everything is going PC/Nintendo these days.
>>728917809I put like 50 hours into this and I still have no fucking idea how to play this game.It is fun.
>>728923813They went too overboard with Musashi's design too.The original was simple yet effective.
>>728923976Gamer dudes making games for other gamers.
>>728918864Stealth game in a warzone with mechs sounds like exactly the kind of game I'd love so I was really interested. Never ended up trying it though when I heard nothing but horrible things about it.
>>728925818The game mades it clear from the beginning that most people got there because they pissed off some higher up, doesn’t make it less penal cause they’re still deployed as expendables, still you got Cedric who is killer, an arsonist chick, a weapon smuggler, scammers, etc.> act like the goth kids who smoke behind your high school.Projecting much? I doubt you even played the game, the different backgrounds and ages make the squad far more interesting than the ones from the 1st and infinitly better than the ones from 2.
>>728926631>Never ended up trying it though when I heard nothing but horrible things about it.That's for the better.>stealth game with no stealth takedowns, you have to alert enemies to attack them>melee combat to conserve ammo is so awful your best bet is to roll into someone and do ground takedowns repeatedly, riveting stuff>they take absurd amounts of damage while you barely have any resources because you need to do NG+ to level up your skills to stop being so pitifully pathetic>for a game that tries to make you conserve resources, they repeatedly force you into wave survival fights anyway>if you want to get the good ending you have to save all the survivors, but this is nigh impossible on a first playthrough to intentionally net you the bad ending; partially from being so weak, and partially because these people will literally and deliberately run into guard paths so they get gunned down to death unless you save them or cleared the area ahead of time, a self-insisting problem>also the AI randomly just sees you through walls and then either become hypercompetent shitlords or just stand there shooting the wall and maybe even grenading themselves to death>even if you have shit to shoot with, it feels like dogshit to play>also the Wanzers are glorified turret sequences of shooting shit for a couple minutes and then it's back to dogshit on foot for hoursEven beyond the game being putrid dogshit, forcing a fake longevity by trying to encourage people to replay it multiple times was such a knock-on effect of terrible playtime padding that it was utterly slaughtered on first playthrough impressions alone. The game isn't "supposed" to be putrid dogshit once you've actually got leveled skills - but the average person isn't going to go through all the same story and garbage but with a few alternate conversation paths to take for saving certain people, just to try again but a "little better".
>>728896130Are the console games better than the DS ones? They're on sale on steam.
>>728927006People only bought the DS game because of the originals/remakes on the consoles. Turns out it basically had nothing to do with anything but one designer and the retained artist, combined with a couple references to the prior games. As for the real Lunar titles, they're generic as can be for story, pretty much the de facto JRPG codifiers of that sorta thing, but if you're down for a classic JRPG of a cozy sort, they're pretty damn fine. Game Arts basically wrote the book on "playing a game that feels like you're running an anime fantasy adventure", something they improved upon with Grandia.Do not get Grandia HD, just fuckin emulate the Saturn version or even PS1 if you have to, by god GungHo fucked up the HD remaster stuff on that one. Same for 2, just spring for the Dreamcast original on emulation or something, no version past DC wasn't fucked in some way or another.
>>728924483justice for Lost Frontier, this anon is alright
>>728927006They're.The story is simple but has heart. No subversions and stuff you find nowadays. If you like old school JRPG's, you're set.
>>728927006Lunar: Silver Star Story and Lunar 2: Eternal Blue are vastly better than Dragon Song. That's not really hard to do, but still much better. The Lunar games are pretty linear but definitely come off as like an anime turned into a JRPG. That might be a lot less impressive these days, but it was certainly really nice to see what were effectively anime cutscenes on the PS1 or Saturn compared to what every other game was doing.I don't think I'd recommend them today, but if you like the setting or are fine with something very linear, they're still going to be nice to play thru. I'm not sure how well Steam handled the porn.
>>728896130>UbisoftOh well....
>>728914671i am that defender.it's my favourite ps1 game.i did not have money for a gba yet, so catching digimon was how i copedi played it so many times but never finished it because the dna evolution grind is INSANE.
>>728904361yooo fuck this shit
>>728896130Pokémon Dash?
>>728896130Shenmue 3
>>728916275>>728922962this, what's the deal with this series?
>>728897345did the original Sega CD version of Lunar cost experience points in order to save?
>>728923493It's crazy how they took the best Tales combat system and fucked it so effortlesslyArise is worse though frankly>>728927006Personally i'd just play Grandia, i don't think Lunar holds up too well personally unless you just want to play something you can sort of shut your brain off and go through
>>728919162If you actually decide to play through it please make threads about your experience.
>>728931298I would say Zestiria is worse because you're FORCED to keep the two human characters in the party for the fusion system to work and you really need it.Arise's gameplay isn't great, but atleast you can swap out your party for some strats on bossfights.I permabenched MC when i realised his jump in assist in a guaranteed stun and has a low cooldown AND negates it hurting him because he can keep using it even on 1 HP
>>728930550Pokemon must have dozens of lazy cashgrab spinoffs. What's so bad about Dash? I find it hard to believe that it's so bad that not even pokefags like it.
>>728931839It's just very bad graphically. You also have Pokémon Rumble U that's glorified shovelware but at least it looks good
>>728931839nta but dash isn't a game that have like interesting gameplay or a storyit's a racing game where you make pikachu run in a direction on the touch screenit's like the pokeathlon side stuff in HG/SS just without the challenge or any other pokeathlon modes other than a dumbed down relay run
>>728914671Why is digimon a series with exponentially more bad games than good?fug off I don't like Cyber Sleuth
>>728923493Zestiria is only beloved by people for whom it was their first Tales game.
>>728932198Ironically, because they're trying out new shit and sadly most ideas just don't turn out that well. Compared to Digimon, Pokemon games are stagnant rehashes.
>>728931954>>728932126>shit graphics>shit gameplay>no contentSounds like something that should have plenty of people defend if because it's pokemon
>>728927006>TASTE MY REFRESHMENT
>>728932289DS era pokemon had some of the best and most well crafted pokemon games in pokemon's history
>>728932293If it's a tendie game then people will defend it. It could be a 60 dollar game that just boots into Miyamoto doing goatse and then crashes and tendies would still defend it.
>>728927006They're great games, but the remaster is censored and so shouldn't be supported. Emulate the PS1 versions, or play the Mega CD versions first if you're feeling extra sovlful.
>>728932198It insists on being a creature collector when playable digimon should be actual characters and it should be a more traditional JRPG with digivolves acting as either permanent progression, in-battle buffs, or some mixture thereof.>Ackchyually, the tamagotchi thing came first.Nobody cares.
>>728932198They don't have good ideas and so they keep trying new ones with newer games. And as a result, most of the games just end up as poorly developed game concepts. Remember that the original Digimon fans were for a Tiger handheld device, and the next batch were just fans of the anime. It's not surprising that just making random video games didn't result in a large boost of popularity.I've heard that the latest Digimon games seem to setting on some regular systems, but that doesn't mean they're good and it doesn't mean that anybody is playing Digimon just for those systems. At best, it still seems like fans are looking for the anime experience in a video game and simply settle for what they get.
>>728932371Sure, but that wasn't my point. This guy basically said what I was trying to say in a more extreme way >>728932406
>>728932406>People are unironically buying the Virtual Boy re-releasesGrim
>>728932519They are a mess. You basically have World and Story series, but then weird one-off games get released as well. Your average player has no idea what to start with.
What are some good DS rpgs? I played Dragon Quest IX recently because my friends were raving about it back when we were kids and found it just alright
>Platformer mascot crossover title>it's a fucking minigame compilation It's weirdly more common than you'd think, too. I can name two other instances of this too.
>>728932686I heard Radiant Historia is good, also DS Pokémon mainlines
>>728932686Dragon Quest 4 was good. DQ9 was trying too hard to make the "multiplayer JRPG" design work and suffered too much as a result.Fossil Fighters and its sequel (Fossil Fighter Champions) were pretty good as well. I'd avoid the 3DS sequel to the series, since it was so bad that it killed the series dead.
>>728915682I riked it. Wasn't as good as Berseria but way better than Vesperia or Zestiria. >>728919439Another secondary filtered by the ocean king temple. Go back to breath of the ubislop. >>728921916>much better handled than Phantom HourglassYour opinion on the spirit flute and train travel compared to the boat? I assume you meant the dungeons, because these 2 are terrible compared to PH gameplay.
>>728932686>>728932853Pokémon Mystery Dungeon is good too, if the Mystery Dungeon formula floats your boat.
>>728932824Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games?
>>728933372That and the Crash Purple/Spyro Orange GBA duo, which might actually be the worst of the lot, because it couldn't be bothered to atleast provide decent fan service
>>728900784I still liked it even though it wasn't as good as the first one.
>>728923893Yep. I don't remember it being so hated back in the day, I mostly pin it on tertiaries who at most watched a whiny youtube video about it.
>>728932686Try Dark Spire. Dungeon Crawler by Success. There's also Etrian Odyssey. 3 probably being the best one.
>>728915479The problem with World 4 is that it was balanced for 4-player co-op. How many people in 2005 had three other friends who were a.) still into Digimon at all, and b.) weren't scared away from Digimon games by World 1-3?I can see the vision (Gauntlet with Digimon) but they picked the worst possible time to make that game, and even when played as intended, it's just average.
>>728915026The weirdest thing is iirc they made a big song and dance about consulting with the biggest fan forum for the series when developing the game. Then when they showed the forum what they had, the general response was "Oh my god what is this shit, what are you guys doing?" followed by the devs immediately ignoring anything they had to say afterwards.
>>728914671I played all the DW games on PS1 as they came out, and DW1 is one of my all time favorite games to this day. I bought 2 when it came out thinking it was going to be more of that. You have no idea how crushed I was. Growing up, my brother hated it slightly less than I did, so when he wanted to torture me he'd play it because just seeing and hearing it hurt my brain soul. It's so impossibly fucking bad on its own, and it's a followup to a truly amazing game. Digimon games never really recovered after this.
>>728917517Kondo had been talking about remaking Sky in 3D for years. It has nothing to do with Kai. I'm pretty sure the reason why they're remaking the trilogy is just to make it accessible on modern consoles without having to deal with XSEED.
358/2 days.I played it because I was on a high after beating KH2 and wanted to see Roxas’ story.But 90% of the story is literally just Roxas being so stupid that the plot goes over his head. And the pacing is so drip fed that by the time it picks up in the last hour, I was over it.The combat isn’t fun.And levels aren’t fun.And the game makes the organization look like a joke - they literally just sit around all day and go to work.Aside from the slot/tile system, the game was pretty bad from start to finish.
>>728934828Still better than 7 and the upcoming woke 8
>>728935084Is there any Kingdom Hearts Spin Off that feels good to play? I played Chained Memories and Dream Drop Distance and wasn't that good either.
>>728923813>WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED!?Nomura. I didn't realize it until years later, but he was raping good games with his literal faggot chuuni sense of "style" as far back as the early 2000s. I hate him so much. BFM is one of the favorite games and one of the best things Square ever made.
>>728932412>but the remaster is censoredHow so specifically? I'm about to buy them myself.
>>728927203>Do not get Grandia HD, just fuckin emulate the Saturn version or even PS1 if you have toThe HD version on Steam is just based off the PS1 version. Why would you tell him to avoid the Steam version but play the PS1 version?
>>728932198They were experimental early on which is why they made some amazing things and some shitty things. Now they're boring and creatively bankrupt which is why the story games that some people pretend are good (because they like fapping to them) are very boring and basic turn based JRPGs with weak writing and simplistic areas to explore.
>>728898512How come nobody talks about how this game ripped off the plot twist from saw? They even did the "the charges officer?" meme at the end when the heroes threaten to arrest Delta.
>>728917809fuck you, its the gungnir that killed the series, this one is good, gungnir feels way short and unfinished.
>>728935308Off of my head, all Jean's "Gypsy Magic" names were changed to something like "Dance Magic".
>>728923813hey i literally just finished this last night for the frist time after having beat the first one. its not that bad but it kind of sucks. the music is really nice, and the game looks really good if you crank the AA on an emulator.shame about everything else though, it couldve been fine if they used like 10% of the 'carry the maiden' gimmick and maybe just cut two of the sword dungeons out. by the end of the game i was actually just playing it on 2x speed.
>>728918653agreed with gungnir way too short and unfinished feeling
>>728935807In the localization or in the original text as well?
>>728935528but none of the 9 protagonists is the bad guy in disguise
>>728932219more like fujos and discord faggots, i remember seeing some fags in discord liking Zestiria
>>728935876The original Working Designs localization text used Gypsy, and most of the text we have now is based on Working Designs' translations. Working Designs was notorious for "Americanizing" things in the 90s, inserting pop culture references (for example: like a M&M joke on Lunar 1) and references to 90s celebrities (President Bill Clinton, just to name one).Most of the changes consisted of removing some of these references and altering the content related to Gypsy. The text is still heavily "Americanized" but most of the pop-culture references got removed.Now, I don't know if her magic is called "Gypsy Magic" in Japan, I never played in Japanese.
>>728903868Sony is so fucking idiotic for killing Ape Escape after this, how can a bunch of execs see this game flop for being a piss-poor attempt at copying Nintendo and come to the conclusion that it's the franchise itself that's the problem?
>>728936254>but most of the pop-culture references got removed.Thank god.
>>728935895still better than 4 and 5
>>728936468>Meme localizersvs>Woke localizersI dunno which one is the worse.
>>728936254So it's just a localization thing? Then I don't care because I play in Japanese.
>>728936661They're one in the same
>>728936661i just played the unworking designs edits and had a great time
>>728936675Yeah it is a localization thing.The japanese text is untouched.
>>728936748Then I'll buy the steam versions. I already have the old Sega CD and PS1 ROMs, but if it's on Steam I like organizing my games there and support good games, even if the mastermind behind Lunar and Grandia is dead.
>>728936661i wanna say the woke ones but i liked watching [gg] meme subs so i might be biased towards meme translations.
>>728936661it's still american localizer, the problem is the nationality
>>728935818 >its not that bad but it kind of sucks.so it's bad? kek
>>728937001its not THAT bad but yeah. theres too many slogs to make it an enjoyable game which is a shame because of its good music and visuals
>>728902623I'll admit this was a miserable experience playing but god damn is it a beautiful game.
>>728936609NO
>>728937064But have you played the original to see how bad they fucked that up?
>>728937727you take 4 and 5 over Judgment? those robots and that cast were ass compared to real gears by epic.
>>728937927oh yes, right before i played the ps2 version. its musashi basically in name alone and a mangled retelling of the first story except instead of scrolls its now 5 maidens. I get it, i know why fans would be pissed at this we have kingdom hearts at home.
>>728938076Okay, just checking.
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>>728915456Xenosaga sucks, like, really really sucksPeople only like it for kosmos
>>7289379805 frustrated me to no end i fucking hate kait so much and it's very obvious the devs were freaking the fuck out over the reception of 5's ending which is why they made a game set in the past
Not a series entry but I was so goddamn disappointed in Black Sigil for being a proto example of westerners completely failing to recognize what makes Chrono Trigger goodd, yet somehow getting like 60% of the way there. It's so frustrating to see it.
>>728938849The music is fantastic, highlighting the peaks that video games as a medium can reach. Part of the problem of Saga's failure, supposedly, was its wasteful spending like hiring the London Philharmonic Orchestra. Orchestras don't automatically make the music good since you need a gifted person to write it, but I'm sure it didn't hurt. The problem is you'll listen to the soundtrack on your own and wonder where you heard this music because they don't use it as much as they should. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_2pKh5KiCkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlmQiHClfkohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRNvMlGwsgohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7FXC1Szw20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BZdfONFodkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Vt8EkLbe4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYhGBGPpLjIEven if you, the person reading this thread on /v/, have no intention on playing these games, go listen to the soundtracks because they are a masterclass of music.
>Everyone says this game is good>Put it on my Trimui Brick>RANDOM BATTLE >RANDOM BATTLE>SLOW COMBAT>SHITTY JUMP MECHANICS>JUMP PUZZLE>FALL>RANDOM COMBATHow did people get through this shit?
>>728940679Because the story is that good, simple answer, nobody would disagree with you about the gameplay. There's a mod that halves the encounter rate and doubles exp/gold
>>728940679I don't know, I enjoyed it at the time just as I did NES and SNES games I'd struggle to play today. Maybe it's just a "you had to be there" thing as it seems everyone's patience from age 9 to 90 is not there any more.
>>728936468Was this the game where the English translation added a lot of stupid shit like the money black hole and fart teleports that kill your party if you don't equip gas masks on literally everyone?
I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly defend this piece of shit having LESS content and polish than the original and especially dark arisen while adding almost nothing new after more than ten fucking years, especially when even the originals biggest fans have always acknowledged its severely unfinished and unpolished. Easily the most ive ever been burned by a sequel, fuck you Itsuno
>>728910474>Holy fuck, I thought the OG fort condor was bad.If you could fast travel to Fort Condor it wouldn't be as bad, but having to use the buggy and the downed plane to get back to the Fort as you progress towards the middle of the game was asinine.
this is the type of "gamer" they made FF16 for >>728940679
>>728900554If you ignore the cutscenes it's a bog-standard 2D Metroid except it becomes an FPS during boss fights.
>>728940679I like the game... until Disc 2.Everything seems so rushed at Disc 2
>>728941747This one doesn't even count. It's its own special category. Only Stalker 2 and KCD2 exist alongside it.
>>728940679It looks great in terms of presentation and the story is cool (Takahashi is a hack but he had a team with him on this game and his talented wife writing) but the gameplay is genuinely awful. I tapped out around the sewers.
>>728941690Not that I recall, no.But the the english version is grindier. They made enemies drop less EXP and Money.
>>728898795>running reduces HP directlyI mean, makes sense if you are out of stamina, but this game doesn't have that.
>>728896130Dragon's Dogma 2, it basically killed the series.
>>728915573I only remember watching the anime and from what I remember the mc was a cuck/got cucked by femc or shit like that?
>>728944076That something you can program on RPG Maker in 1 minute.I doubt the devs couldn't program a Stamina system.
>>728914821At least you can also play it on PS5, but yeah, it's Sony console exclusive unless there's a PS3 translation patch for emulation I'm unaware of.
>>728896130This thread has made it clear that many JRPGs have absolutely shit stories and especially shit unhappy ending. Why do japs do this?
>>728945481>This book has a open ending or a tragic oneMASTERPIECE OF MANKIND, STOP PLAYING GAME AND READ THIS>This game has a open ending or a tragic oneWhat's this shit? Where's my happy ending?
>>728945853No one reads open ending/tragic ending books for fun. That's for school and those are supposed to have literary value as works of art. There is no such value in these games and you are just left empty and with no takeaway other than "that sucked", whereas the tragic ending of Hamlet is thought provoking and has fascinated people for centuries
>>728903835This is only true if you play the japanese version>>728940679Imagine getting filtered by random encounters
>>728946085Some games are thought provoking and have literary value.
>>728920196Yes
>>728896130QRD? What's the issue here? I did play silver star story and eternal blue but never heard of this one till later and didn't bother with it
90% of the games posted here are jarpigs, wonder what that could mean?
>>728941859>shitty music>dull visuals and uninspired locations>non-sensical control scheme>barebones combat due to that shitty control scheme>piss-easy difficulty>completely linear and railroaded level design>zero exploration, even "hidden" items are basically always in reachThere is absolutely nothing memorable about that game's gameplay or design. Even if you removed every single cutscene it would still suck ass.
>>728904361fuck you DS3 is the best enrty in the series
>>728902018Maybe that's why it's also the best persona game...hueahuehau
>>728946657That jrpgs and vns are actually very easy to fuck up?
>>728898704>tfw there was a unironic woke version of X7 that had better game design
>>728897693>running consumes HP>you walk slow as fuck>healing once costs more than half the mage's MP at level 1I've seen enough
>>728940679filtered by kinostick to your slop
>>728946927>>728946657There were other games of other genres posted but oh no weebs are the majority on a Mongolian horse riding forum.
>>728946657Most western games I've played are standalone.As far as series go, there's always some freak defending series that should have ended over a decade ago.
>>728947543Tbh im genuinely glad classics gatekeep themselves
>>728902376That game has actual contrarians because of its unintentional Kaizoness
>>728924582The remake and also Visions of Mana are amazing games too!
>>728907657That one weird defunct RPG Death Battle site existed.Also 4 isn't that bad. Its corny but it doesn't overstay its welcome. 5 is way too padded out>The extra ranger/edgy siscon survives for no reason beyond seething at the MC possibly plowing his sister, even if it didn't happenFunny as fuck.
>>728923813The only good thing about this trainwreck is the soundtrack. Junya Nakano and Masashi Hamauzu never misses.
>>728946657If the thread started with an FPS I think most games posted would be FPSes and so on. People just assumed the topic (and community) of the thread by OP.
>>728921303>Generic game that pulls the Final Fantasy Mystic Quest version of Chronopolis in terms of stupidity>Series is stuck in eternal prequel hell because acknowledging the plot twist would lead to Kingdom Hearts and FF7R levels of mindmeltingPS2 infamous JRPGs have some cursed energy,
>>728918526this game is just meh, fans of the first two games didn't hate on it, they probably didn't even knew it's a thing
>>728936661Both, but I tolerate the (old) meme ones.
>>728922817nigger please, this game is much MUCH better than the first games shilled as ''Le Oblivion Killer''
>>728925532best version of YS 1 & 2>you can swing your sword>you have a map>level cap was increasedit's kino, fuck your bumb slop
>>728948921Hmm really? I tried to get into old Ys but the bump combat really wasn't for me. I'll look into this, thanks.
