How is E33 the game of the year when it's a worse rpg than this game?
>>728914876Sony bought the awards last year so people would forget concord The wukong devs were so pissed they immediately ported it to xbox when the exclusivity contract ended unlike stellar blade that renewed it
>>728914876>>728915163>the only time metaflop gets brought up is to seethe at other gamesreally makes you think
>>728914876What things did Metaphor innovate? I'm buying the improved version in two years, but I heard it's run-of-the-mill and has weak end game.
>>728914876Because this game came out last year, and E33 came out this year
>>728915163I like Metaphor but I will never understand the praise for its art direction when it looks worse than Persona 5, a game built for the PS3.
>>728915492>I'm buying the improved version in two years, but I heardfuck off nigger
>>728915549Its not about fidelity
>>728915487I will forever question why Atlus didn’t use UE4 for Metaphor. It looks fantastic with SMTV
>>728915492>What things did Metaphor innovate?First JRPG with woke politics.
>>728914876westcucks despise anime
>>728915163I'll give you "graphics that won't age" but the characters and story are absolutely atrocious, and I enjoyed the game overall
>>728914876Woke game
>>728914876because its worse at nearly everything, even at art style and music where japanese usually excel
>>728915163>Graphics that won't ageThe graphics are already old, PS3 level, early-gen Japanese game tier old
>>728914876metaphor is literally just a shitter smt or persona and the game is piss easy until the end where they have a pointless difficulty jump
>>728914876It wasn't even the best game released by Fatlus that year
Why would anyone play E33 when metaphor has cuter girls?
>>728923528because it's a video game. I just want it to be fun
>still dragging this garbage thread through the mudE33keks are terrified of good anime games and this one in particular
>>728923528Why would anyone play a lesser purseowner clone?
the people who bought e33 dont necessarily want to play japanese anime games with ps3 tier graphicsWith e33 the graphic complaint might be that theres a lot of fog, with metaphor you had questions like "why is there no anti-aliasing?"
Metaphor wasn't even that good lol
Metaphor was kino up until the Opera and then it fell off a cliff. E33 was kino up until the end.
>Atlus looks at how their fanbase play their games (and by fanbase, they meant personafags)>Everyone of personafags rush the dungeon in one in-game day to make room for glorified visual novels >Atlus got pissed that their own fans show nothing but disdain for their "high quality hand-crafted" gameplay>Implemented mechanics that intentionally slow down dungeon progress in Metaphor>Now both personafags and tourists hate your gamekek
>>728925604The Law of Atlus games, the dumbest players always check out at the best part
>>728926265???? the only atlus game that slows down dungeon progress is P5 because you have to leave multiple times to complete several of them no matter how you play, metaphor literally gives you the option to sit there and slowly grind out MP if you want to do the dungeon in 1 day most persona fans are retarded but e33fags are the dumbest of the dumb
there are no intelligent people that hate metaphor
anime artstyle is just cringe brothere is no comspiracyno one hates the "japanese"its fucking cringe and i would be profoundly embarrassed to play this even if no one else knew i was playing it
>>728926392>metaphor literally gives you the option to sit there and slowly grind out MP>This somehow isn't "slow down dungeon progress"smartest Atlusfag
>>728926602smallest brain biggest mouth
>>728926617You already got caught not playing either of these games, why say more retarded shit?
>>728926629playing this shit is literally just incompatible with western notions of masculinity on a fundamental level. i would literally rather die than get caught playing something like this as an adult man. playing videogames at all is walking a thin line
>>728926812>western notions of masculinityt. southeast asian
>>728914876P3R was a better game.
>>728926829youve lost me, bug people are pretty much born emasculated and are the primary audience for this stuff. they are literally the ones who make it
>>728926865kek
>>728924975terrified of a game being good? why? I like gamesasians have the strangest behavior about some things
>>728926902Those are some very harsh things to say in a mirror
>>728914876Metaphor is so fucking boring I couldn't even make it 10 hours in without falling asleep. It's just Persona with a generic fantasy setting slapped on it and no good music. E33 mogs it in every way.
>>728927094nope
>>728914876Because E33 is pro-AI in place of human workers, and anti-japanese? duhAAA studios love being able to deflect towards slop like this because it means they can normalize firing all their employees and cutting costs along with all the corners they cut already
>>728926979oki honestly dont know how to even begin to approach arguing against someone calling me asian for not liking anime shit. im wholly unprepared for this so you win
>>728927292should've thought about that before larping as a white dude
>>728914876Metaphor wasn't even the best JRPG of its own year (SMT VV) and was snubbed out of GOTY. E33, which is an almost universally worse JRPG than Metaphor, gets a sweeping GOTY. If that's not proof of industry racism, I don't know what is.
>>728927189t. brain dead monkeysorry forgot to sign my post
>>728925604What the fuck are you talking about? E33 literally falls off a cliff and never recovers when it reaches ACT3
>>728927450>SMT VVThis will never be better than metaphor no matter how hard you try to convince people it is anon SMTVV got "snubbed" out of basically any commendation from anywhere
>>728914876Because the translation team is incompetent
>>728927498>E33 literally falls off a cliff and never recovers when it reaches ACT3Act 3 is like an hour long. Also it doesn't "literally" fall off a cliff you illiterate retard. >>728927450Please demonstrate what Metaphor does differently to any JRPG in the last 30 years.
>>728927589>the "real line" has absolutely nothing to do with what this dude wrote a small paragraph about usually the case with fan translators
>>728927635>had a good story
>>728927682>This word means by another method>I'll follow up on some other leads>Other leads>You do that I'd do this other thingJust read for once in your life. He's not even a fan translator like what the fuck.
>>728914876E33 isn't pozzed tranny shit, for starters.
>>728927816then why are so many of its cultists mentally ill leftist women
>>728927815>You do that I'd do this other thingso in other words exactly what the localized line is saying
>>728927759>had a good storyThanks for the laugh anon
>>728914876Anything is better than blue hair troon protagonist. Dilate.
>jrpg troons start endless shitflinging between this game and debirth>both of them are mediocre pieces of shit riding on the good will of a prior entry while universally fucking up everything people like about those>still trying to hold them up by different shill awards despite having nothing positive to say about either
>>728914876>>728914876Expedition 33 has way better writing and dialogue. Like, in a completely different league, barely even comparable. Weird since in E33 everyone is literally fake, yet Metaphor is the game where everybody speaks like a soulless automaton with zero personality. There isn't a single piece of conversation where people speak like actual people. If someone talks it's either to express a trope, or to exposit the plot in a perfunctory manner. Metaphor does have the more engaging battle system from an RPG perspective at least, shame the battles are like 20% of the game though separated by endless reems of vapid dialogue and 45 minute cut scenes.
>>728928861>jrpg troons start endless shitflinging between this game and debirthIt's literally just third worlders making the website unusable because god forbid people have fun on a basket weaving form, that could lead to terrorism.
>>728923528>cuter characters>the exact same face as every other anime woman with no features>no personality beyond "i am knight and i like food" >that is not exaggerated or reductionist, that is literally her entire personality throughout the 80 hour game>body modeled after Hank Hill
>>728928895>If someone talks it's either to express a trope, or to exposit the plot in a perfunctory manner. Honestly, what's with the japanese and exclusively using shitty anime tropes in their RPGs? I swear it wasn't this bad 10 or 15 years ago.
>>728914876Metaphor has a script that is 20 times larger but says nothing of substance. Like all JRPGs and VNs.
>>728929003I sure do love the government. They remove even the mildest pleasures from our lives to protect us and definitely not because they fucking hate everyone.
>>728928895>when you can easily recognize someone making the exact same post they did in another thread E33's writing is trash, there isn't a single Atlus game that doesn't clear it including Persona 4
>>728929282Maybe if you're troon that thinks isekai anime has good writing this is the case.
>>728929198>You want ti discuss video games on the internet>FUCK YOU >endless streams of rage bait farms for even dare practicing those "human rights"
>>728929342of course not a single atlus game does isekai slop, even the ones that actually have the main characters go into another world, but you wouldn't know this because you don't play video games
>>728923528>cuter characters No
>>728929405That indians were getting paid to gaslight /v/ into thinking this was attractive will always be funny to me
>>728929397That's not what I said, but nice reading comprehension, brainlet.
>>728928895Are you playing the game in jp? You do know that the english script was completely butchered by the localizers right?I think Metaphor's plot is not satisfying by the end and is overall badly written, but it's not at all an issue from the character themselves or their dialogue which was quite strong.
>>728929453>I think Metaphor's plot is not satisfying by the end and is overall badly writtenwrong
>>728929397>of course not a single atlus game does isekai slop When did he say that?
>>728929405I got yellow fever IRL and even I don't find this bitch attractive
>>728929486>samefagging on cooldownlearn how to read and write english and it won't stand out so much next time
>>728929437>I'd rather have a 6 foot tall girl named Hulkenberg with a flat ass than a cute Asian barefoot gf You might be gay anon
>>728929489That is because you are either gay or have never seen a woman irl
All JRPGs that are over 30 hours long bet on the player developing stockholm syndrome and sunk cost fallacy so they completely give up on the writing aspect.
>>728929532>>728929603these posts are definitely from a cis white male
>>728929051>Honestly, what's with the japanese and exclusively using shitty anime tropes in their RPGs?They don't. Yakuza, Octopath, Triangle Strategy, plenty of recent JRPGs have good writing. It's just Atlus who are literally a shovelware company releasing reskins of the same game 4 times per year, and Final Fantasy, a series which should be dead and buried. Square themselves have shown they can still make interesting games but not if they're called FF.
>>728929703>Yakuza, Octopath, Triangle StrategyLOLLMAO
>>728929703>Yakuza, Octopath, Triangle Strategy
>>728914876I enjoyed both games and I don't give a shit about game awards.
>>728929635I am all those things but continue to seethe and dilate
>>728929453What? How can you say that? The translation team for Metaphor are professionals who take their jobs very seriously. How else could they make basic grammar errors or translate shit like 上部屋 as "upper rooms".
>>728929453>You do know that the english script was completely butchered by the localizers right?I'm aware that's possibly the case but I'm not going to learn a language just to play a video game.
>>728929791Look I get you want to suck this dude off but his literal translations are not the bombshells you (or he) want them to be, like the cold bathing one especially is coping so hard that it's a little pathetic
>>728929051And you call them anime tropes even though they're obviously American memes.
I have rated like 4000 characters based on how well written they are and the result has been that I realized when I like a character it creates a halo effect where I automatically believe they are better written.People just call games they like well written. There is nothing else to it.
>>728929846Do you not know the difference between 湯 and 水?
>>728929907Your buttbuddy couldn't even come up with a way to write it in english that didn't sound dumb as fuck, it's time to settle down
>>728929892You can absolutely dislike a character on a personal level and still think they are well written.
>>728929990Of course. But this doesn't dismiss the massive bias you develop when you start liking something.
>>728929969How does that justify japanese 101 errors?
>>728930063>errors
>>728914876I didn't masturbate to a French-Japanese goddess in this game so its worse.
>>728929791>SEAs want every game to read like arknights thank fuck they moved away from trying to actually write this shit out after the clusterfuck that was vanilla P5
>>728930081Asking again do not know the difference between 湯 and 水?
>>728930176>it's an error because they didn't literally translate something that would make 0 sense in english coping and seething
>>728930167I'm guessing you're trying to argue vanilla P5 was a "literal translation"? The translation added a spoiler early in the game, it's changed a charterers name to scheming man or something. Which spoiled the character's role in the story. It's not close to a literal translation. I also doubt arknights is literal but I don't play gacha.
>>728930238>something that would make 0 sense in english ah yes the untranslatable concept of>Character surprised someone would bath in cold water while on a freezing cold mountain.The japanese are truly alien to english speakers.
>>728930268Congrats retard, you're mixing up P5 and Metaphor showing you know fuck all about either game. You're about as familiar with these games as your twitter asspal is
>>728930425>Character surprised someone would bath in cold water while on a freezing cold mountainYou mean exactly what the localized line is saying while not introducing some concept an english speaker wouldn't understand for a single line?
>>728929791None of this explains why the writing is so shitty since the alternative translations are not any better. More accurate maybe but just as stilted and soulless. Can you post the fan translation where the characters have actual personalities and engage in actual conversation?
>>728914876I have Atlus/Falcom faggot jealousy fatigue
>>728930564>why the writing is so shittybut that's a cope collage about metaphor, not e33
>>728930590Post your expedition 33 play time. I've posted mine for Metaphor.
>>728930663I'm not from the third world so I don't play on PC
>>728914876>Why aren't you playing the most pozzed garbage ever made in Japan
>>728930484>thank fuck they moved away from trying to actually write this shit out after the clusterfuck that was vanilla P5Is "vanilla P5" not person 5?>>728930524>You mean exactly what the localized lineNo, "You'd be mad to hope a hot spring replica could take the edge off this chill" states the opposite actually. >>728930564The fact that you have said that makes me extremely angry. I have been seething this entire thread but this one reply has set me off into maximum seethe. I sure do hope I'm not being "trolled" right now. It would be really embarrassing because I've said some ridiculous things like cold water and hot water are not the same thing.
E33's dialogue is an absolute joke especially compared to Metaphor, you can tell just how much of Charlie Cox's dialogue especially was done in a single take. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Venm4UNyYLike this is one of the worst acted scenes with some of the dumbest word salad dialogue I've seen in YEARS, and it's funny watching E33 fans shill this one especially so hard. IMO I think it's because it's one of the only scenes the chink girl gets and there's virtue signaling going on but regardless, Metaphor's about as good as it's been from a JRPG for quite awhile. It has the best dub from an Atlus game in years too even with a couple misses
>>728930710It would be less embarrassing to just not reply at all
>>728919136>>728927816>>728930882This is about Metakino, not Stillbirth though
>>728930905>states the oppositeYou LITERALLY can't speak english. Instead of trying to explain a type of bathing that doesn't exist for english speakers, the line was localized to call the bath in Altabury a replica of a hot spring on the Virga Islands. It's understood that it just looks like a hotspring. So the water is cold. Which is why in response the character literally goes "COLD OR NOT"
japanese are degenerate pedophiles into all kinds of fucked up shityou lost
>>728914876We're you punched in the womb? That shit's barely playable slop
>>728915163>>728918726>>728920430>Graphics that won't ageThat honestly applies to E33 too. This isn't the 2000s anymore where hardware was constantly advancing but wasn't yet at the point where games could look realistic. Games that targeted realism back then aged badly because they didn't actually look that realistic due to hardware limitations. Since like 2015 or so we've reached the point where realistic graphics won't age badly anymore.
>>728915534That, and even if they came out in the same year, E33 is still just better.
>>728931770Death Stranding 1 already aged pretty noticeably compared to Death Stranding 2. This is also because kojipro are extremely talented and got better use out of decima than Sony ever could've hoped for, but E33 already looks dated compared to that
>>728931197>Instead of trying to explain a type of bathing that doesn't exist for english speakers,You have made me the happiest man alive.
>>728931840E33 is strictly worse
>>728923528>cuter girls>literal drawings with no discernable features beyond mouth and eyesNo thanks. I prefer realism. If you prefer literal drawings to something that looks like an actual woman, you are homosexual.
>>728931887Oh wait you kept going. >It's understood that it just looks like a hotspring"take this chill off". The cold water HOTspring replica taking "the chill off". This is immaculate. There are so many more bits I could do here. But it's better to stop now.
>>728931098Hahahhahahah holy shit! Why does the kid look like he's 40?
>>728914876I'll humor you OP and explain it. A game can be the best game of its year while being worse than games from a prior year if the releases in general during that year were less quality than the releases of the prior year.That doesn't apply to metaslop though. About the only thing that game got right was casting non-americans for most of the roles and escaping the generic anime dub problem most JRPGs suffer, beyond that it's an extremely subpar turn based game that smashes the player over the head with the most brainless takes and observations about human politics. I don't think especially highly of E33 but at least the game never left me bored out of my mind to the point I checked out and dnf'd it like metaslop.
>>728931887Why, because you had another chance to show us how little you understand english? You posted the literal reason why they can't use cold bathing vs. warm bathing the way it's used in the east, because no one bathes in cold water in the west unless it's for fucking therapy or body trainingThis is why no one takes fan translators seriously anymore because they tend to know way more about the language being translated from than what they're translating to
>>728932034"You would be mad to expect this hotpsring replica to take the chill off" means you'd be crazy for thinking that's going to happen, because it's cold water. You failed another english class
>>728932095you lost biglyyou will always lose
>Persona>Metaphor>E33Apparently the key to being considered the greatest turn-based RPG ever by normalfags is to just have fancy-looking UI.
>>728932095>the most brainless takes and observations about human politicsTrue, fuck this game for saying that you aren't supposed to genocide all the minorities. People want real mature politics like mine
>>728931920Name even 1 (one) thing metaphor does better.
>>728932248Normalfags don't care at all about Metaphor.
>>728932248E33's UI is atrocious, especially compared to the two other examples. What's REALLY telling is that the leftists on twitter from Bioware and shit that were seething at Elden Ring for UI/UX didn't say a peep about this game, almost like it's an industry plant they were all told to like
>>728932309Story Themesworldbuildingworld designcharactersgameplaygamefeeldialogue UImusic (subjective)
>>728932248Lel, you're onto something. I still think E33 is 10/10 althoughevertheless.
>>728932338The schizo levels of this post are off the charts.
>>728932462why, because it points out an obvious contradiction that makes sense?
>>728932536>that makes senseThey need to cut off internet access in the asylum.
>>728932395basically none of that is true, except maybe UI (certainly the aesthetic of the UI, which is great), and whatever you mean by gamefeel
>>728932575>no argument, just seethe never expect anything more from an e33 shill
>>728932593all of it is true, but you can't get into any of it without getting into an argument you know you would lose instantly
>>728932598An argument needs some actual evidence instead of random schizo babble.
>>728932645hit me with the argument then. I'm genuinely curious as an enjoyer of both games
>>728932395>StoryLOL>ThemesLMAO>worldbuildingKEK>world designROFL>charactersHAHAHAHAHAHA>gameplayROFLMAO>gamefeelLOL>dialogueKEKAROO>UILMAO>musicHAHAHAHA
>>728932693why are all E33fags completely braindead like this?
>>728932681Not going to fall for that champ
>>728932751>bro this argument would obliterate your views>ok let's here it>I'm not falling for that one!huh ok
>>728932804if you think getting someone else to feed your arguments for you is some clever move you've been on the internet for maybe a day
>>728932804hear* dunno how I typo'd that one
>>728932835feed my arguments? I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.
>>728932878you can fuck right off now
>>728932712He is right. Metaphor is complete dogshit. Especially after the journo review threshold.
>>728932887lmao
>>728932897>the journo review thresholdIf E33 scored literally 2 points higher this wouldn't exist for you lmao
>>728932931What the fuck are you talking about lmao
>>728933115>doesn't deny it that's what I thought zoomer bitch
>>728932098>Sitting in a tub of ice-cold water may sound a bit crazy, yet people worldwide do it regularly for its potential health benefits. >>728932142>means you'd be crazy for thinking that's going to happenYeah>because it's cold waterNo
>>728933285>it's crazy to expect a replica of a hot spring is going to warm you up in a cold place because the water is cold You've already lost here 5 different ways, no need to make it 6 or 7
>>728933148No thats like me saying if metaphor had 2 more titles you wouldnt know what that would imply. But you are literally an imbecile for liking this piece of trash anyway. Play your dogshit game from hell post the same 4 tumblr screenshots of your favorite gay tumblr characters for all eternity. I dont care.The game is ass and if you like it you are disabled.
>>728933354>because the water is cold He doesn't say this in english.
>>728933520>completely unintelligible postE33 fans are so fucking stupid it's funny
>>728933563That was in respone to your retard post which had no idea what i was talking about because you are literally retarded - a metaphor player.
>>728933521You already got the explanation of what hotspring replica is saying and why no one but some ESL schizoid that went out of his way to prove he was better than paid writers and actually failed would get wrong No one wants translators that can only speak and think in complete literals
>>728933674I have no idea what you're talking about right now because you can't write what you're trying to say like you are mentally impaired in some way as all E33 simps are
Is E33 an RPG? Can you roleplay in it?
>>728933742Nice mirror trick you dumb bitch lol
>>728933770it's basically honkai star rail except with France (China) behind it instead of China
>>728928895It's a culture thing. The dialogue difference is because that's how they speak irl. Also Asians are borderline downies so you shouldn't expect top tier communications, especially in translation.
>>728915163> The Game Awards hates Japan.JP publishers are the most awarded! Bandai Nanco and Sony have more awards in the last 10 years than all western publishers put together.
>>728934176the image is bait meant to pit the two game communities against because metaphor also won the most awards at the game awards of any Atlus title ever including P5, it's just a shame that the E33 camp has literally all the worst people on the planet in it regardless
>>728933686>what hotspring replica is sayingDo you mean "what a hotsping replica is". It's a made-up term. You can't explain what it means without using in-game texual evidence. Which if we take a look at, hot spring replica isn't a term in the japanese.>島の泉を真似てJust means it is imitating/was modeled after the island spring. Doesn't even say hot spring actually. Even in the english >They have an imitation of the island's springThere's no textual evidence for what you've said. Also just realized it's 島の泉 not 島の温泉, it's actually worse. I've been reading it wrong because the english misinformed me what the fuck.
>>728934273>a made-up term This is your brain on literals
>>728934470No, by definition it's a fictional term. You can't buy a hot spring replica. It's not an actual noun that exists in an english dictionary. Not part of anyone's lexicon. It's a fictional object.
>>728934942The nice thing about the english language is that you don't need a formal term for every single little thing to convey what it means like you do in every eastern language. An english speaker understands that it's not an authentic hotspring, and bathing in it is not going to warm you up in a cold climate like an actual hotspring wouldYou would actually have to be autistic to read what they localized as a native english speaker and not understand the water is cold
>>728935119>the water is coldHe doesn't say that.
>>728935271Because he doesn't have to. He is not speaking to autism patients or non-english speakers
>>728926812>incompatible with western notions of masculinityI can tolerate this if the rest of the game is decent even though I cant stand the fruity aesthetic but everything about metaphor is either terrible or a rehash of smt but worse. Idk wtf atlus was thinking with this game.
>>728935626The reality is the exact opposite of what you just said, so they were thinking a bunch of good things apparently
>>728914876>can't pause or load during combatAlready disqualifies it
>>728914876Metaphor was great but it was really balanced like dogshit.
>>728935748the endgame is fine unless you go out of your way to grind everything
Maybe because Metaphor is a 2024 game
>>728935748Even if that were true, E33 is one of the worst balanced games ever made.
>>728935656>my shit taste is universal and objectiveIf that were true the game wouldn't have been a flop.
>>728935835The reality is also the exact opposite of that too so you're not doing yourself any favors here
>>728935731Why do you need to pause? It's turn based.
>>728914876Metaphor music is worse. Look outside is a better jrpg though
>>728935880>my personal reality supersedes the publisher's realitylol k
Metaphor has some of the worst writing I've ever seen and I have no idea why people even pretend it's a good game.
>>728936029the publisher's reality:https://automaton-media.com/en/news/atlus-is-one-of-our-most-successful-acquisition-deals-to-date-sega-sammy-reports-strong-sales-of-metaphor-refantazio/https://gamingbolt.com/metaphor-refantazio-and-sonic-x-shadow-generations-are-performing-better-than-expected-segahttps://automaton-media.com/en/news/metaphor-refantazios-pc-sales-far-exceeded-atlus-expectations-says-director-katsura-hashino/And this was all before it sold 2 million copies over twice as fast as P3R did
>>728935821E33 is definitely balanced around the fact that you can parry everything, which while bad, isn't the same as giving you the strongest class in the game early and weaker classes locked behind story progression.
>>728936229you don't get access to the strongest classes until the game is almost over, and you can't break the one you're actually talking about in the early game without going out of your way to grind. it's way more OP on a second run
>>728936138>and I have no idea why people even pretend it's a good game.some of us just like the niggas-in-a-row genre and there isn't much being made in that territory. Metaphor was decent (compared to the other stuff being made these days, like octopath traveler, which is awful in every regard), but unfortunately it does have an extremely shallow and childish story
>>728936495>it does have an extremely shallow and childish storynope, literally the opposite
>>728936192>Sega on release: it was a great launch! >Sega today after it took an entire year to sell another million: we think it sold like shit because people are waiting for the definitive edition.It'll do big numbers once they release the definitive edition I'm sure.
>>728936551>it took an entire year to sell another millionwhy are you lying? It took P3R over a year to sell another million, not metaphor
>>728936523explainall I remember was the equivalent to a group of high schoolers discussing politics. what was so mature and deep?
>>728936602>quoting sega is lyingIn other words your reality supersedes theirs.
>>728936727You aren't quoting anyone. I have actual articles and numbers from their financial reports, you have your microdick in your hands. Just go ahead and post the picture of the fake headline already I know that's what you want to do because you're as unoriginal as the E33 devs are
>>728936665It's not deep but it's serviceable. Like the communists character. It's surface level but it's a critic of communism. They even do the group dynamic where the uneducated poors mindlessly repeat what their "educated" group leaders say without knowing what the words mean. Which is all erased from the english.
>>728915487The top game looks like it actually has 10x more shit to do. The bottom looks like an aborted mobile game based on some Netflix/HBO western fantasy slop. Look at the lighting, wtf what a mess.
>>728936665You didn't play the game is what you're actually saying. Metaphor is all about how high mind idealisms don't work in practice and showing what it actually takes to be a leader people want to follow, and it's about this on every level. It's the exact opposite of having kids meandering over politics.
>>728936853>https://www.ign.com/articles/sega-suggests-expectations-for-definitive-editions-could-be-behind-disappointing-launch-sales
>>728936523The megaphone speeches alone are enough to convince anyone with a brain they're playing a game written for children.
>>728937092And now you went ahead and posted the real article where SEGA said literally nothing about Metaphor. In fact, you posted a repost where IGN thinks it's about "launch sales" which directly contradicts all the articles I just gave you from launch. You have any more retarded shit you want to say or are you done making a fool of yourself?
>>728936972>Which is all erased from the english.oh really? that does seem like a decent loss in translation>>728936992I did play it, and I did catch that that was what they were going for. I'm saying the actual content was shallow and akin to a high schooler's worldview. For example the "but without taxes, how will we help the unfortunate?" Wow! nobody ever thought of that one! It's not an accurate portrayal of a worldview, it's the interpretation a young naive person would take, which is easily dismantled. A straw man.
>>728937229>a game written for childrennah that's this scene that does that >>728930996
>>728914876The difference is in the Masonic bribes and blackmail.
>>728937256>its definitely not metaphor that was disappointing to sega, it was something else!It definitely wasn't metaphor, the game with a huge marketing budget that sold like a niche series like smt that they threw on gamepass after sales fell off a cliff.Sega is definitely pleased with the performance.This makes total sense, in your reality anyway.
>>728937414>lies, lies and more lies So you give up because you can't fix the contradiction you made is what I'm hearing
>>728937314You're insane if you think that is even comparable. I can only imagine you are joking because this shit is laughable and only gets worse as the game goes on https://youtu.be/JRwuVcZ7YKw?si=d9But6nGFdHtlP79
>>728937530What other game could they be disappointed with? List the disappointing games they're talking about if its not metaphor.
>>728915163>mid story charactersbait
>>728937314what's wrong with that scene? Are you focused on the delivery of the voice acting or the written dialogue? It's kind of interesting considering they're the 'painted' characters. The NPCs of the NPCs
>>728937642nope, I'm not putting in the effort to engage your braindead ass further when you can't get your article to say what you want it to in the same universe where all of mine exist
>>728937753>considering they're the 'painted' charactersIs this the cope for any scene where the acting and dialogue is nowhere near as good as fans insist it is?
>>728937805>its not metaphor but I don't know of any other game sales they'd be disappointed withGlad we agree its metaphor then.
>>728936991>10x more shit to doProbably, but it's probably also bland grindy shit that would only appeal to someone on the autism spectrum, such as yourself.
>>728937869You can't even answer his question
>>728937286This is always what these takes come down to, you have an opinion that doesn't line up with what a story is saying so you want to undermine it by calling it immature.There is no deep mature understanding of people that want to abolish taxes. The idea in of itself is retarded, and people are not voting for anyone with that as a talking point because they think it's realistic. The reason why they're doing it is because compared to the other candidates, this one has a better chance of representing the things they actually care about, so they vote that way. This is how people actually think and this is a huge focus of the game.
>>728937676you wouldn't handle anachronox
>>728938012Can you read?
>>728938072Can you?
>>728937286>it's the interpretation a young naive person would takebut enough about anarchists
MetaGODS won
>>728914876Metaphor is asspiss
>>728938280E33*
E33 mogs Metaphor so hard it's not even funny. no one who genuinely says metaphor is better than E33 will post their playtimes of both.I love both btw.
>>728938072>>728938091Well considering 4chan is a text-based message board, I'd assume yes.
>>728938530It's an IMAGE BOARD
>French """""Humor"""'""
>>728938072you didn't answer the question, though. I'm guessing based on what you've said that you are more focused on the delivery. Personally, I would take good dialogue with poor delivery over vice versa any day
>>728938508you only say this because you know a majority of metaphor's sales are on console instead of PC and no one is gonna bother doing that
>>728938643You know exactly what I said, you're just trying to pretend you didn't for more engagement
>>728938701Cope. there's a lot of faggots comparing 2 games when they only played 1 of them.
>>728938851No actually, this is exactly what you care so much about seeing peoples' playtimes, because you essentially have a 50/50 chance the other guy will disengage because they can't be bothered to boot up their console
>>728938018Well that does help me understand a bit why you think it's deep. It's not that opinions need to line up with mine, it's that in order to have real depth, real arguments need to be present, not just straw men. For example, veganism is something I disagree with, but having interacted with many vegans, I understand their perspective quite a bit, and I find shallow arguments against it quite stupid, even if I'm on their 'side'. In reality, you won't win people over by having a poor understanding of how they actually think and how they've come to think it, you'll just come across as a shill.
>>728938752Yes, I know what you said and you appear to just be deflecting on something that shouldn't be a big deal if you're firm in your perspective
>>728939015Yeah because veganism is remotely comparable to high minded politics or free booze for everybody lol
>>728939013I'm phonefagging but I'll happily go to my pc to get playtimes if someone else does. it's not that hard.
>>728936138It's honestly amazing, the persona studio's writing ability has atrophied so fucking much since Persona 3. And persona 3's writing is still only 'ok'
>>728939193the difference is, I see you post this shit the exact same way in basically every e33 shill thread, so on no planet will I buy that you don't just have your screenshots ready, whether they're yours or not
>>728939096That's a good example. You're not engaging with what I've said, you're just trying to get a little 'win' real quick. You don't honestly think that would be persuasive, do you? I was talking about how I don't need to agree with someone's conclusion, I just want real engagement with the views.
>>728939305Metaphor's writing is insanely better than P3. P3 is massively underwritten and the cast is the worst of every persona + metaphor by far
>>728939381No.
>>728915492I played the entire game and don't really remember much of it. It was very dull
>>728937587Not that anon, but the awakening scenes are very intentionally over the top, and are all amazing moments. It's intended to make you laugh. If you think this scene was meant to be taken seriously, you lack basic comprehension skills.
>>728939308I already said I love both games why would I even need to post my playtime? metaphor was my 3rd favorite game last year
>>728939319My win is pretty definitive actually, you tried to liken abolishing taxes to being a vegan when one is a lifestyle choice and the other is a schizoid political talking point with apparent holes in it. What actually matters here is why people would elect someone that wants to abolish taxes, not why the candidate has that view.
>>728938508>>728938310Unironically couldn't bring myself to finish Metaphor there was just so much useless friend simulator cockjerking between all the good parts it just killed all my enjoyment.
>>728939589Basilio's is pure kino also
>>728939381I'm just starting to think fans of this game are outright delusional. I don't know how you can seriously think that with the cookie cutter characters in 5 and Metaphor, which are by far the worst offenders.
>>728939465It is and it's not even close
>>728939839No one buys the P3 writing quality grift anymore, P3 Reload saw to that. You're better off going back to shilling 1 or 2 but no one is ever going to feel threatened by those games ever
>>728939589I might believe you if the entire game wasn't just as bad as that to varying degrees. Even still, 'its meant to be bad' isn't a good justification.
>>728939976Metaphor has great writingE33 has shit writing
>>728939915There isn't a single character that reaches the levels of Junpei in 5 or metaphor, both of which completely stop their respective characters developments after their arcs are over.
>>728939631>not why the candidate has that view.no, not why the candidate has that view. I can't fathom why you would even consider that. To persuade the voter, you would be much more effective by understanding why they've come to the view that this candidate is the best fit. I already explained to you the relevance of the veganism thing, so I don't see how you're having so much trouble with that. Are you arguing in good faith? Because you're starting to seem like an actual moron, but one who tries very hard to be smart (bless your heart).
>>728938851>they only played 1 of them.You sure about that?
>>728940067>JunpeiJunpei's entire character arc is mediocre teen romance and every subsequent release completely cut out the one line of dialogue where his dad is supposed to be an alcoholic that barely did anything for him anyway. It happening stretched out long term over a game that barely has any story in it at all does not do it any favors. I can't think of a single P5 or Metaphor character I don't like much, much more than Junpei, I think I like basically the entire P4 cast more too
>>728940081>accuses someone else of arguing in bad faith after writing all this horseshit have a nice life anon
>>728940259yeah after you deflect on everything and have utterly moronic interpretations, why would I ever consider you might be arguing in bad faith?
>>728940067it's funny seeing P3chodes popping up out of their nuclear fallout shelter to still say this shit after persona fans pretty much collectively turned on them and the game
To me atlas games besides SMT are slop. Lots of empty dialogues and time wasting mechanics. It's just anime games for lonely people with little substance. It's a big reach putting metaphor or persona in front of e33
>>728939732One of the few moments, that has made me emotional in a video game in recent memory.>>728939976They're not bad, they're fucking amazing moments. Over the top, and silly, yes. Bad, definitely not. I have my issues with the story, especially the pacing after the island but it's still a very enjoyable experience overall, and the game has a very nice feel of being on an actual adventure with your buddies, which I find rare these days.
>>728940193I'm not even talking about his romance (which is still better than any attempt in the later games), I'm talking just about him actually struggling not only to accept MC as their leader, but as a member of SEES.Comparing him to fucking Ryuji or Stihl is outrageous. Those two, and all all other party members in their games, might as well not exist after their arcs are over. It's fucking embarrassing. They are there just to fellate the MC.>>728940425I don't know what you are talking about but it's probably in your head.
>>728940701got a sensible chuckle out of this thanks
>>728940701>jealous of MC >falls in love with girl over exactly 3 cutscenes >absolutely obsessed with her >girl dies>is suddenly an enlightened human being that thinks the MC is okay now (still never got laid)what a great character arc
E33 winning is neither good or bad, it just means we're old. It's such a standard jrpg, it even steals twists from games like Star Ocean. If you've played an pre-2010 jrpg then you played e33.
>>728940943Better than anyone in 5 and Metaphor. Sad, isn't it?
>>728926812>i would literally rather die than get caught playing something like this as an adult manEveryone is already aware of your lack of masculinity. What a womanly statement.
>>728940975It's strictly a bad thing because of what AAA game studios turned it into It would just be an average JRPG inspired game with a dogshit fanbase if the full force of gaming journalism desperate to get the consoomer thinking it's normal for the studios to keep laying people off wasn't behind it >>728941067Junpei is worse than all of them
>>728941238Except he's not? He's actually a character as apposed to a cardboard cutout. Damn, guess you are wrong AND STUPID. sorry, anon!
>>728941313He's a badly written character is what he is Strohl and Ryuji run circles around him
>>728941238E33 is a chosen game. Have you not seen the pastas? Rich father, French government connection, DEI bucks, female protag, Unreal 5...the industry NEEDED this game to win to set the tone for what is accepted in "gaming culture".
>>728941353Nope! Wrong again, my stupid, STUPID, anon. You've gobbled up so much trash writing you can't tell the difference anymore. I'm so sorry!
>>728941429P3 is the worst written persona
>>728941497God you just can't say anything right. I'm starting to think all the trash writing you've consumed has ruined your brain, permanently no less. Hopefully one day science can fix you! Then you won't be a STUPID anon anymore!
>>728941404>Have you not seen the cope?yes I have and that's all it is. cope. you lost.
Metaphor is the closest an anime game has ever gotten to being in the "acceptable" range for normalfags and the high quality writing has a lot to do with that. E33 was built from the ground up for success and all its really amounted to is a ton of memes about it winning awards for things it shouldn't be in the running for
>>728942094>high quality writinglollmao
