I don't know how anyone could prefer this over all the other 3D Mario games. This is obviously the weak one.
>>728940359cubies only know slop. it's all they had growing up with the shitcube except f-zero gx which they pretended to have played
>>728940359Are you kidding? Sunshine's like the best one
>>728940359The soul it has
>>728940543Now lets see Paul Allen's cardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9HUoWiZSnE
>>728940359Sunshine has a lot going for it. Contiguous world, fludd controls are fun, lots of early aughts tropical beach aesthetic charm, you can ride yoshi in 3d and it's not as limited as galaxy 2. I can totally see why people would consider it the best.
>>728940359It a lot better than the boring, random world of Mario galaxy 1 and 2.
>>728940359I've never been able to finish it, despite multiple attempts. I come back to it every 3 to 5 years, thinking maybe there was just something that I "didn't get" the last time I tried, only to drop it at some point or another. It's a case where that game's gimmick overpowered what makes the core 3D Mario formula fun. The levels were built around the backpack, not around Mario's acrobatics), which wasn't the case in subsequent 3D Mario games.
>>728940359Odyssey is the weakest Mario game, and I'm tired of pretending its not.
>>728940752WHY ARE THE GAMES LEVELS DESIGNED AROUND THE CENTRAL MECHANIC?!?!
>>728940752Not to mention the water pack fucking sucks. Any fun a 3D Mario could have been on Gamecube was fucking ruined.
>>728940925The mechanic sucks ass
>>728940752You might have skill issues.
>>728940359nice water
>>728940925There's your problem, the central mechanic wasn't as fun as jumping around like in 64. Not every gamble pays off.
I think it has the best world-building out of any Mario game and a unique setting. That said, it feels really unfinished and a lot of its gimmicks don't feel properly implemented or utilized to their full potential, especially FLUDD. It also sucks that every 7th shine is mandatory, killing the significant freedom 64 provided for completing the game and one of the worst Bowser "fights" in the entire franchise.
>>728940752>that game's gimmick overpowered what makes the core 3D Mario formula fun. The levels were built around the backpack, not around Mario's acrobaticsthats luigis mansion
>>728941050Or I just don't find it to be as enjoyable a way to interact with the world than the way Mario's traversal was handled in other games. The game's divisive nature tells me that I'm far from alone on that.
>every level is a shitty copy pasted beach >removed long jump for a faggy water gun that speaks to you like a tranny who has been doing female voice lessons >baby bowser>cringe shit unskippable cutscenes>third of the shines are blue coins>nintendo had to delist super mario 3d all stars because of custome feedback when they finally played shtishine and found out how terrible it actually is>nintendo skipped right to galaxy for the next mario movie and left shitshine behind
>>728940359I had fun with it. Is that not what matters?
>>728940752>>728940925The only levels that feel built around the water pack are the harbor, Noki Bay, and the shitty little gauntlet in the volcano. Every other location is so big and flat with minimal jumping required.
>>728941325the movie might still happen, and that could cause a remake to happen. lets hope they fix Sunshine.
>>728940359It perfectly captures the atmosphere of a tropical vacation
Sunshine is the game that separates the boys from the men. Lol.
>>728941456>getting into trouble on vacation and being forced to do community service before you can leave
>>728940359I think it's funny how all these "N64 and GameCube classics" that snoys cling to insisting they're good when any Switch installment is objectively better in every way. They do this discredit the dominance of the Switch because they know games like Odyssey and BoTW are pretty much objectively better.
>>728940359I agree Sunshine is the weakest mainline 3D title, but I still like it.I feel like, aside from removal of the long jump, Mario controlled swift and tight in this game.Galaxy Mario felt a bit encumbered by comparison (but Galaxy is so good in every other way it doesn't matter much), Odyssey restored the feeling by bringing the dive back.
>>728940359Mario Galaxy has the worst movement out of all of them, so that one is the worst one.
>>728940359Mario 64 is IMPORTANT but a completely broken game. When that bullshit emulated 3D All Star came out for the switch I replayed all. I was surprised how unplayable 64 is. Galaxy is way too easy and simple and only works if you are in awe with the mechanics and good ideas of the devs. Sunshine plays great with a couple of exceptions, the only one truly annoying is the leave thing. It's the most challenging of all those without bullshit difficulty (again, minus the leave in the river thing). So those are good reasons to not be the weakest
Calling a major Mario game "the weakest" feels like a non-issue to me when the series is so good. I would still choose it over most platformers ever made.
>>728943580lmao, not with the absence of long jump and no acceleration in Sunshine
>>728945848NTA but Galaxy is slower and has no dive which I would argue is a worse omission. Plus, Sunshine makes up for it with all the Fludd abilities.That said, Galaxy 1&2 are definitely the better games.
>>728946154>slower so badoof
>>728946234I didn't say it was bad. Its just how Galaxy is. It more than makes up for it in other ways.
>>728940359I think 64 and Sunshine are the only ones that feel inventive and really good to play, 64 more so obviously. The rest are serviceable games but do nothing for me as platformers. Maybe I should give Odyssey a little more credit in that regard but I also really dislike the art direction in that game.
>>728946154dive doesn't belong in Galaxy
>>728940359best movement, moveset, hub world, art style and level design in the series is how. some of the best music as well. I still rank it below 64 because of gatekept progression and blue coin padding but its easily second place.
>>728945848>no accelerationas opposed to the amazing negative acceleration in mario galaxy?
>>728946839>best movementThat goes to Odyssey.
galaxy 1 and 2 are good, even great games on their own but are easily the worst 3d marios except maybe, MAYBE land. if they had stuck to the actually good gimmick (planetoid gravity) and got rid of the shitty ones (anything involved the fucking waggle cursor or gyro horseshit tacked on to justify their lame gimmick console) it would be 10x better but alas. it also has two fucking joke boring ass hubs which is one of the coolest parts of 64/sunshine (and then they just get rid of the concept altogether in odyssey. fuck jewtendo but at least that game has fun movement again)
>>728940359The movement is better than galaxy so I like it more. The galaxy games play like molasses so I can’t enjoy them. When the 3d all stars came out on the switch I 100%ed both Mario 64 and Sunshine. I couldn’t make it past the first star in Galaxy because I was bored out of my mind.
>>728947097I think theyre really close personally. I slightly prefer sunshine. there are no unfun gimmick transformations stolen from banjo slowing the game to a fucking halt, except for yoshi who is actually fun to use in sunshine.
>>728947097Odyssey and 64 have the best movement.
>>728940359https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJMM92wDKZw
>>728940925IM FREAKNG OUT MAN WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON>>728947281Galaxy is slow, linear, boring. It was a mario made for actual toddlers... just like wonder
>>728947097i really dislike odyssey movement, it just handles like a mobile game.
>>728940359Because Summer is my favorite season and this game is the embodiment of Summer vibes.
dude what is up with all the sunshine bad narrative i have been seeing on here for the past few months?it's literally a good game it's just a lot different from sm64. most of the stages are easily, yes, really. like 95% of this game is very doable. the only stage i consider nigh-impossible and i have never completed is the one on the island that u have to get to with yoshi, using the boats. insanely tedious ,and then the actual level itself is easily the hardest in the game. i don't know who thought that one up. but i did everything else except for all blue coins because there were a few extremely obscure ones.but still, you could easily do 98% of the game without struggling. good game in my opinion, quite good in fact! a 9/10!
>>728948279>it just handles like a mobile gameWhat does that even mean?
>>728948408mario moves like a unreal or unity character. Think of silksong or neon white. Always the same movement, 0 degree turns, it feels weird and unnatural if you grew up playing games like mario 64 or super metroid. It feels...cheap
>>728948312I sunshine hate coma from a couple places>people back then wanted a Mario 64 sequel and got something else>a bunch of children played galaxy first >older people thought galaxy was a “return to form” despite it being a toddler game>something something optional blue coin copeThe gamecube era was the last time mario had soul before it eternally became goombas and koopas
>>728948517but enough about sunshine
>>728948312>it's literally a good gameliterally isn't one, sorry to be the bearer of bad news
>>728940359Go to the Beach and touch Sand, Grass is overrated
>>728948672and yet u dont even try to say why it isn't. if you simply don't like it that's fine i don't like a lot of games.
>>728948979>5 great games and sonic adventureman, better times.
>>728940359It’s the last Mario game I played, the conclusion of my childhood. That’s why I like it the best. It was the day I graduated from playing games designed for 7-12 year old kids. If you’re actively playing Nintendo games and you don’t have kids, you have literally no taste whatsoever so ever for this baby shit to placate you.
>>728949730all video games are for kids
>>728940752>overpowered gimmickWhat about Odyssey then where everything is skipped with Cappy?>The levels were not built around Mario's acrobaticsAlmost every modern mario games are built around using temporary items instead of using Mario
>>728949730Its actually the opposite. Mario games are some of the purest video games that exist. They are mechanically euphoric. Exclusively playing Nintendo games would be odd, but depriving yourself of good games because of some false sense of maturity is silly.
>>728940752Play Mario Sunburn, if you still don't like it then accept that the game simply isn't for you anon
>>728940359The Galaxy games are the worst. They're hard carried by their presentation, but the movement feels slow and sluggish compared to every other Mario game, and regarding level design they're in an unsatisfying middle ground where they lack the freedom of 64/Sunshine/Odyssey and they aren't fast and to the point in their linearity like 3D Land/World.
>>728940359They fixed it https://youtu.be/dwLPgvgL5Vk
>>728940359Seems valid. Maybe I’m too tolerant of opinions on children’s games, but who cares? Life’s too short to argue.
>>728949573it's a 4/10 because it lacks turn-based combat
>no long jump>blue coins open the save prompt every timeIts only real crimes, fantastic game otherwise.
>>728940692>>728940746why are sunshinefags obsessed with galaxy
>>728953141>rent free in sunshine fanboy's minds
I actually liked the voice acting of Sunshine it gave the game more personality
>>728955762no level variety, shadow mario chases, half the missions are red coins, mario runs at the slightest tap of the joystick, only certain missions have 100 coins for the sprite, every mission starts you outside the hotel, sandbird, watermelon, poison lilly pad, pachinko, lava river, camera gets stuck on level geometry, mario clips edges in an infinite loop, pressure sensitive analog gimmick, yoshi dies in water, only one additional nozzle at a time, cringe voice acting, low resolution cutscenes, blue coins amount to a third of the sprites,
>>728955762This. Sunshine is kino, and Eclipse is even better.
>>728955845Because we know 64 is better than sunshine. I love sunshine but galaxy is a bit overrated imo.
>>728940359you can tell all marios after it are worse as soon as you try turning around on the control stick. odyssey is the only game that tried fixing it, but that game has plenty of other problems.
>>728958931turning the joystick is one of the things Sunshine outright broke. Mario teleports through himself when you press backward on the analog stick.
>>728941325>muh beachits nice to see an actual cohesive environment instead of random floating shit for once>no long jumpdive jump is better>muh blue coinsit takes less time to collect every blue coin than it takes to watch every star get animation in galaxy>delist all starsprobably because sunshine can be bought online and they wanted to sell the galaxy ports again for a premium>muh moviethey skipped world which seemed the most obvious and they're merging sunshines plot into galaxy for that shit anywaysbaby bowser is shit though yes
>>728959152better than turning like a fucking RC car
>>728959369it's super nice, so see the cohesion like 8 times before it's over
>>728941093This. A bigger, better, more-refined 64 sequel would have been much better received. The tropical island setting is fine, but being shackled to a water hose sort of ruins it.
>>728947097I don't like Odyssey's movement and level design for itHat is a better movement extension than FLUDD but all the transformations just being short gimmicks really kills the pacing and flow of jumping around with how often you need to interrupt the core gameplay to play a minigameMotion controls being a core part of doing certain moves is also an awful design choice like faster rolling and certain hat throws
>>728962271those are just niche extra movements, it's to encourage using motion controls, and it's a good thing because motion controls feel nice to use
