This DLC has completely changed the way I view medieval Europe.It looks like a backwards shithole compared to China.
>>728943345Well it was the Dark Ages and Renaissance for a reason.
>>728943345wait till you see Africa and India before whitey came and stole everything
>>728943345>giant polity is better capable of providing high quality infrastructure and general peace and prosperity for its people than the proverbial thunderdomeThat being said, that thunderdome played a major role in why Europe eventually took over the world
>>728943345always has been, saying this as a yuropoor btw
>>728943345>west bad>china gooddaring today are we?>>728943665nobody stole anything from africa, it's the richest continent in the world.
>>728943345Pure propaganda. Kys xhink
>>728943345>Crusader kings>India, China, Japan
>>728943345It only makes what Europe and the white race did in the early modern and modern eras that much more impressive.
>>728948983>Europa Universalis>you can be anywhere in the world>Victoria>you can be other leaders, Victoria’s not even playable at the start>Hearts of Iron>the hearts are made of flesh>Imperator>Rome is a republic.They’re just titles mate.
>>728949503i'm sick of pretending we have ran this shit from day 1. china was never more impressive than the smallest fucking village in Germany.
>>728949503great. i meant to type haven't but i've been working all fucking week and missed an editing mistake. fuck it and fuck paradox.
>>728949783The technological foundations of Europe's ascendancy were already well-laid by the 15th century and I'm sure the Song or Ming would've struggled quite a bit against a European army. Not that the Chinese cared, they would've still seen them as barbarians. The West was a much rougher society than the more feminine and civilized peoples to the East. The whole Renaissance project was basically just Westerners throwing off the residual aspects of Germanic culture in favor of the Roman and becoming "greater" and yet lamer in the process.
>>728943345Fall of Rome had disastrous results and Europe spent centuries putting shit together.
>>728943345>tfw Mandate of Heaven
>>728943345China just glorifies thier past and does let you see it the way it actually was. Most of thier armies back then were made up of peasants wearing rags with pointy sticks too.
White people have always been more obsessed with killing each other over creating functional societies, that's why they're getting cucked by everyone else in the big 25
>>728950526it's interesting how significantly you can feel that in purely military capacities. organized, standing armies comparable to legions of old basically disappeared for centuries to come.
>>728950824China's history is fake as shit. The Great Wall isn't even Chinese in style. It's all fake and gay.
>>728951259>as shitNigger detected. I can only pity you for being an illiterate retard who believes everything you read online.
>>728951259it's more like ancient chinese history has WAY more variety than you'd imagine from seeing couple of focused on dynasties and periods
How do I spice up japanese playthrough
>>728943345Chinese history is cool but historical China isn't any more impressive than any European great power
>>728951407The most distant past is always the best part of any civilization; it always gets steadily gayer from the start.
>>728951582Japan never goes earlier than jidai geki, but I would love to see some jomon adventures
>>728943345When you realise europa manage to spread their wars and sickness to the rest of the world
>>728951582dang i don't know what period these niggas are but they look dope
>>728943345>Be China, not a backwards shithole>Get buckbroken harder than anyone in history, ever, by the Mongolslol some """civilization""" you have there
>>728952593Jomon is so far back it might as well be a fantasy setting, though. Japan doesn't really like going earlier than the beginnings of their classical period. Heian period aka Genpei war when they still want their samurai action.
>>728943345Song China was unironically on the verge of an early industrial revolution. If it wasn't so incompetent in the terms of military and Mongols didn't assrape the whole Asia, China would be the most developed nation
>>728950526"Barbarians" weren't retards and actually maintained many Roman institutions and sponsored many industrial and philosophical works (Boethius, one of the most important Western philosophers, was working under Theodoric the Great, the Ostrogothic king). The true end of antiquity were the Gothic War of Justinian which destroyed 90% of Italy and killed almost all patrician families in Italy and the Muslim conquest of Middle East, which destroyed Mediterranean trade
>>728943345what did the DLC do?
>>728943345ZHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG
>>728950526>Fall of Rome had disastrous results and Europe Myth that gets perpetuated by historylets that get their info from movies and memes that they see online.
>>728950887So true sister! *emigrates from his third world shithole to a nice White country*
>>728954737you only proved him right
>>728952593>but I would love to see some jomon adventuresIt might not sound that way to you because you don't speak Japanese, but it's pretty damn hard to get excited about the "Period of Straw Rope Patterns [on pottery]".Same as why there are no games about the uber-exciting and well known Linear Pottery Culture facing off the Cardium Pottery Culture. Now that gets all the bitches wet and normies buying 5 copies each!It was a bunch of hairy hunter-gatherers with no way to influence the local land, no farming, no oragnised warfare, no animal husbandry, no metalworking, etc.It's basically modern Indian tribes in the Amazon. How many games, short of ones where you get to goon to their revealing clothing, have you seen made about those?And those guys have much more material to work with than Jomon. We have actual names of people, their language, actual interaction with the outside world, etc.
>>728954015>if it wasn't for all the mass murdering and cannibalizing every 50 years CHINAH NUMBAH WAN
>>728955000I don't know, man. It's clearly a not!Japan setting, but this manga called Touge Oni it's clearly taking place in a way earlier historical period.
>>728955007Unironically
Off topic, but how do you guys get immersed by ck3 when the ai is so awful and poses no challenge whatsoever? I get that it is a map painting sim, but by god the ai just stands around and does nothing...
>>728943345they were better in killing people doe. not a good desu
>>728943345I mean duh they've had society since 2000 bce and been unified continent since 220 bce with only shit to fear was inner conflicts and occasional horse men rampaging where as europe was a fucking inhabited lands of swamps most of it's time with several cultures killing each other till Romans happened. If anything Europe deserves recognition of being so fucking rapid advancing continent they could become a global hegemony within a millennium while rest if the world were doing the exact same shit for 4 thousand years.
>>728943345I have no problem with this. Why would I? The state that was peer to Rome is better than the collective shitholes built by the dogfucking barbarians that destroyed Rome? Whoa color me surprise negro.It didn't stop china from stagnating while euros skyrocketed to the moon though.
>>728955275That's not in any way, shape or form jomon, anon.This is Kojiki shit. 7th century. You know, Sutton-Hoo helmet, Mohammed, etc.Yes, it looks old and primitive but that's simply because Japan was fairly damn primitive for a long-ass time.The archeological record goes way back into the past but actual "culture" with writing, religion, anything bigger than a dugout canoe or mudhut is more or less contemporary with the likes of first Slavic states in Europe.
>>728954015Wouldn't have happened. I don't know what you think the Song dynasty was about. The founding emperors would not have allowed a powerful military except under their own command. The later emperors on the other hand were incapable of reining in a powerful military - they couldn't even rein in the political factions rivalry in the court and thus reforms failed. Song was notorious for these. So how was industrial revolution gonna happen? Both Ming and Qing were better positioned to industrialise but they didn't - so your "if" scenario goes out the window. Heck the Qing dynasty was invited to industrialise by the MaCartney mission. The Qianlong emperor rejected it and sent an eloquent shitpost to George III instead.
>>728956830>collective shitholes built by the dogfucking barbarians that destroyed RomeRetards keeps peddling this myth
>>728956964>The Qianlong emperor rejected it and sent an eloquent shitpost to George III instead.Now I want to know more about it
>>728957031>t. dogfucking barbarian
>>728949761>Victoria>you can be other leaders, Victoria’s not even playable at the startIt refers more to the time period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era>>728950209>m sure the Song or Ming would've struggled quite a bit against a European army. They would not, against European navy perhaps but not armies
>>728956306Install sex mods.
>>728956852>Mohammedwut?
>>728956306I uninstall and play ck2 instead.
>>728957815It's the German way of spelling the name of a certain famous super sayan.
>We've had a whole steppe themed DLC>It didn't focus hard on the Seljuks who were tearing ass all around Sad
>>728943345Wasn't that ironically what led to China completely stagnating while Europe changed constantly and over time evolved?
>>728953851>Heian period aka Genpei warstill pretty rare in japanese media. sengoku period oversaturates the fuck out of anything involving historical portrayals
>>728958576Not really.China was evolving just like everyone else on the planet. Every dynasty tried new shit with economy, army, organisation of society, etc. They also drew up all those history books as post-mortems of what went wrong the last time. "These guys had great armies but those armies got so great the generals went and set up their own states, fucking the state up. These guys had money out the wazoo but this made things brutally expensive and people threw away all the money because they couldn't afford to live anymore." That their path didn't involve the fucking steam machine is a random event. But that's just how the world works.Random chance made the universe.Random chance had Hitler survive a WW1 bunker hit.Random chance decided whether you lived or died if you got the plague. And random chance ended up making England the birthplace of the modern world.Austria was also in Europe and evolving and it still got royally spitroasted by the first factory being invented in England, thus giving northern German states an edge in getting in on the tech and ass-fucking them into the irrelevant shithole it is today from the position of the leader of German states and birthplace of a billion famous artists, philosophers, scientists, etc.It's just how things go. You can give yourself better chances by not being a hunter gatherer in the jungle/savannah but ultimately you can't win over random chance.
>>728959482>dat feel when you realize Ancient Greeks had a novelty steam turbine that went nowhere because they had slaves for all that manual labor shitThis could have been a VERY different fucking world by now.
>>728959908we need a game with an ancient greek steampunk setting
>>728943345Implessive...
>>728950526rather it finally moved it forwards after centuries of complete stagnation or sometimes even regression
>>728959908Anon the first actual modern steam engine was actually unironically developed by some random turk to.....Make doner more efficientAnd this was like 200 years before the industrial revolutionThere are so many fucking what if's with the world we'll never get the end of it
>>728959482I find it amusing autistic record keeping is a trait of all successful empires. From Chinese and Romans to Ottomans.
>>728960462You want someone to remember how rad you are and someone to know how that other guy was a chump, even after you've died
>>728960462They had to copy books by hand.
>>728959908It also happened in the Islamic world, anon. 1500s, someone described a steam turbine to... spin kebab.
>>728960462>The king himself rode a horse and shot arrows at a deer. However, the horse stumbled, causing him to fall off, but he was not injured. Looking around, he said, "Do not let the historians know about this."—The Veritable Records of Taejong, Vol. 7, article 4
>>728960813Actually the Romans were the first to invent the steam enginehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boTUOgka3LA
>>728956306I have a harem mod that allows me to have essentially infinite concubines and wives. I then form a custom religion that is one giant incest cult. I also have a mod that completely removes all city holdings, and replaces them with temples.Goal: turn the entire map into my dynasty. Every single holding, right down to the baronies, until there is not a single NPC born that is not my dynasty.Once the eugenics program starts working and everyone has god-tier stats and the pureblooded trait, things get wild. Everyone everywhere has claims on everything. Mass murder by incredibly capable NPCs with busted stats and educations.
>>728956306By playing EU5I cannot lie: EU5 is literally everything I wanted CK3 to be, EU5 is so fucking good it makes me cry orgasmic tears of agonizing joy
>>728943665>India before whitey came
>>728943345It's a game you utter retard. Embarrassing.
>>728943345Are you american by any chance? How didn't you learn this in school already?
>>728943665Is there no natural resources anymore in africa? Why would French worry so much about Nigerian oil, I thought they stole everything
>>728943665WAKANDA FOREVER
>>728957048Basically>>we are glad you have come afar to learn our superior ways. We have nothing to gain from you and dont expect special treatment, we intend tonl regard you as we do the koreans
>>728959908>he's not a knower
>>728969639Btw, they gifted China a map of the know world, schematics for pistols, rifles and a blueprint for HMS Sovereign.What did they do with it?50 years later in the 2nd Opium War the Qing army used muzzle loading firearms and sail ships to battle the British steam vessel and soldiers armed with breech loading cannon and rifles
>>728964891I'm already spent with EU5, I can't bring myself to even open the game
What causes a man to hate his own home so much he sucks off chinks?
>muh ChinaEvery point in their history is exactly the same. General Chow Yun Fat rebelled against Emperor Ping Pong. Emperor Ping Pong forced 50 million Chinese to starve to death. Cannibalism was rampant and millions of children were eaten. Decisive Ping Pong victory. Their history doesn't matter because they're bugs. The japanese believed that two Chinese had the worth of one human life
>>728959482spoken like a true shitskin, none of these things are "random"
>>728950209It is so funny that the Germans invented the printing press like 50 years after paper spread to them, really shows how goated the region was at inventing stuff
>>728943345And China was a backwards shithole compared to Rome.
>>728943345still seething about the opium wars eh
>>728955000I kind of want a game where you manage the civilization of these niggas, throwing spears at boats and proselytizers.
>>728971403Fun fact: They were not always aggressively isolationist. They only started killing people who came there after a British guy went and raped a bunch of their men.I'm not kidding.
>>728972007See? Endless possibilities for weird interactions floating in to screw with your civilization.
>>728950209>the Song or Ming would've struggled quite a bit against a European armyno way, yurope was smalltimeremote fringes of the continent so poor and uncivilized Mongols didn't even bother to conquer it
>>728943345Same. This DLC pretty much convinced me Europe is just a peninsula of Asia like Jeetdia.
>>728972176>didn't botherYou mean invaded, and failed, and still hung out for centuries in the backwaters of Europe which were the only places they could conquer.>nooo they all went back after failing horriblyNo, they were still there in Russia centuries later. Russia was valuable enough to keep and there ain't shit there. Your nonsense is false.>noooo but China was so great it was the best it had to be!The only relevance China had in all of history was being the place silk came from. That's it. Reminder, the huge economical zone was all about raw natural resources being extracted from China (silk) and being transported to civilization (Europe) and that one simple interaction was enough to sustain the entire middle east on its route.
>>728972007That’s a meme. The Andaman Islands were known to be violent way before the British, even Marco Polo mentions it. Most tribes, like the Jarawa and the Onge, were just like the sentinelese until they decided not to kill foreigners (and then promptly died off from disease lmao)
>>728953198Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>728943345But that's just the fault of Paradox's development patterns. If they made a game and started from China, it would be the most boring lifeless part of the map and wherever the last big DLC was set would be the most interesting instead.Also it's not like China is as big a contender for most complex in EU4 and HOI4 so that kinda disproves your point.
>you wont live to see the opening of the qin tomblegitimately bums me out
>>728972331China is currently at the forefront of everything, as it has been for most of the world's history.
>Play adventure mode>Travel around the world with my first character, get giga retarded stats and a 2K strong fuck you stack of elite men at arms >Participate in tournaments, feasts, hunts along the way>90 years old and still in good health with a fuckton of kidsSo.... Is this really all there is to adventure mode? Or are there other things I should try doing before trying to beocme landed?
>>728953442I think the Mongols went harder on what is now Iran and Iraq
>>728943665And jeets are even worse
>>728950712>Chao Ling takes power>806 trillion perish
>>728977531>boil 1/3 of the total population in the capital as punishment for their resistanceOnly to get cucked by the Viet Minh and Champa alliance with pungi sticks and jungle attacks. The real niggas will always be the Neo-Assyrians and what they did to the people of Elam.
>>728978701I remember hearing that on the Iranian highlands they killed a bunch of the people directly but the real damage was their campaign of total destruction of the agriculture and infrastructure causing so many to die of starvation that only around a quarter of the pre-invasion population remained.
>>728978152>in Ethiopea>built by Europeans centuries agoBut Ethiopia was never a European colony?
>>728979036We pretend Italians are white, come on play along. It hurts their feelings if you don't.
>>728978965That is correct. The Aral sea is currently disappearing. This has been accelerating ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, today, most of the sea simply is not there. This is because water that feeds into the lake has been diverted instead for agricultural use.The thing is, the sea likewise was diminished prior to the Mongol invasion of Iran. Their conquests and destruction directly lead to the sea returning, and remaining for centuries. The region was so depopulated they no longer used even a fraction of the water required to drain the sea (nor had the infrastructure, nor knowledge to construct and maintain the canals, qanats, and aqueducts that diverted river water before it reached the sea). There are writings of scholars describing the sea returning.The infrastructure damage was massive, but they also took engineers, artisans, and scholars, and sent them back to the Mongol capitol as slaves. So not only did they destroy everything, it couldn't be rebuilt either.
>>728943530"The Dark Ages" is a myth. It was a term coined by an Italian pissy about the fall of the Roman Empire. It is largely rejected by any historian who doesn't have a bias against Europe and Christianity.
>>728960406That's bullshit, there were other engines before. It just that it really took a while for people to realize they could do more useful things with it. You know, like what happened to electricity.
>>728979867Yes, the dark ages do not apply worldwide, they do apply to Europe during that time, which is what the post is referencing.Dumbass.
>>728954352>Theodoric the Greatcriminally underrated figure in history
>>728943345Weren't the original Chinese raped into an entirely new ethnicity by the Mongols? Plus, it took their rulers the better part of two thousand years to realize that drinking liquid mercury wouldn't make them immortal - you'd think they'd figure that out after the first few guys who tried it died, but whatever.
>>728960813Shawarma is so fucking good so I don't blame them.
whatever I only play ivar the boneless, he can do everythingI can start a game right now and in 30 mins I can have all of china
>>728943345Yes, Europe following strict religious order was the dark age.No wonder Europe started prospering once the catholic church was weakened.
>>728943345To be fair, Song dynasty saw levels of development (literacy, urbanization, paper money…) that compares with Renaissance Europe, so there is that.
>>728979981>they do apply to Europe during that timeNo, they don't.As I said, it was originally a term coined by an Italian who believed the fall of the Roman Empire led to a decline in European civilization. This is purely just some guy with a bias for Roman civilization.Then it was used as a term to refer to an apparent Christian oppressed an destruction of culture but that didn't actually happen. That's just something made up by anti-Christians to smear the religion.It's not a thing that ever happened. It's just a smear against Europe by self-hating Europeans.
>>728980001China has been invaded by the mongols dozens of times throughout the ages. They usually took over, settled and adopted the culture.
>>728972223Mongols ravaged and pillaged most of Hungary for a whole year.Then the great khan died and they retreated and then fractured.
>>728980304It's so crazy to me how the Mongols controlled nearly all of Asia at one point then completely imploded and are now essentially just roaming steppe tribes.
>>728954352>The true end of antiquity were the Gothic War of Justinian which destroyed 90% of Italy and killed almost all patrician families in Italyhow?
>>728980741>massive black death pandemic >the huns >germans running from the huns It was a complete clusterfuck.
