The one huge flaw this game has is that it's way too fucking easy. Even without a guide or grinding nothing really ever poses a challenge.
>>728945748Every single JRPG I've ever played is either piss easy or you need to grind to not get one shot, there's no inbetween
>>728945748The difficulty is the tedium of playing it.
>>728945748You play it for the story anon. There will never be another game with a plot as deep and as moving and as emotionally complex as this one.
>>728945873This game isn't even pseudodeep
And then sephiroth wrecks your shit at the end of the game, and with that attack of his that takes like 2 minutes I lost motivation at 3 tries
>>728945898Agreed, it's emotionally deep but otherwise it's not meant to be philosophical, it's not a flaw, FF is designed to be emotional as the main point
>>728945748so install new threat
>>728945748the biggest flaw is that it's turn-based, I can only rate it a 4/10
Playing it for the first time as it's dirt cheap on Switch. Can only assume it's one of those "you had to be there" situations. Graphics look like bowling alley screens, cutscenes are hysterical at times (pasting the character models on top of the FMVs is laughably cheap) and this supposed emotional epic of a story I've heard people gush about for years is the most bog standard anime plot imaginable. I feel nothing and the dialogue is terrible. Also the pacing has felt aimless since leaving Midgar, we are just drifting from place to place and I don't give a shit about any of these cardboard characters. Battles also piss easy and world map barren.Fuck the hype.
>>728946045user made mods are almost always bad 100% of the time, unless it sticks closely inline with the original. leave the guards for example as they are, but instead of hitting 7, they hit 20-40. reduce the amount of potions and make them harder to come by, aswell as other items. reduce gil. put limitations on inventory stock when shoppingit only needs to be small but effective balancing changes for mobs, and tweaks, but still the game feels like the original. new threat from what i saw adds out of place mobs and other crap. edit the existing mobs, or if you add some, actually make them make sense. deep thought needs to be put into whether that mob should appear there in a story senseid prob also play around with shops a bit. re locate some items and materia to make them extremely valuable etc, but leave the game vanilla for the most partid prob also make shinra headquarters more interesting by making the puzzle challenges slightly different/tweaked, and i'd tweak some stuff depending on if cloud gets chosen by don corneo, or tifa, or aerith. decisions you make like whether you give the flower to marlene or tifa, or if you even buy a flower at all, i'd add some silent values to whether corneo chooses based on that. i'd add a bit more running around in wall marketbasically so many small tweaks that would add up, but would still be vanilla. the house mob i would buff significantly and maybe make it rarer to encounter, but make it drop useful items the player needs. so much possibilitynew threat is an example of it done wrong
>>728947092hmmm maayybe id add in some rare mobs that are a slightly color, to throw in a bit of variation, that are harder than normal also
>>728947027>Also the pacing has felt aimless since leaving Midgar, we are just drifting from place to place and I don't give a shit about any of these cardboard characters. Battles also piss easy and world map barren.Sounds like you're far from completing the game. I'd hold off on criticising the story before that. I know you probably hear about the popular twist that everybody knows about, but that's actually not the big twist.
My steam version of OG FF7 doesn't run anymore. I'm sad now.
>>728948278>she installed win 11lmao
>>728947027Don’t play the modern ports
>>728948382It's probably that, innit? My old laptop is still running windows 7 or 8. I'll try on it later.
>>728948593It should be, it's ran fine on both of my win 10 setups. Win 11 updates broke some other games too like GTA: san andreas, dunno if that got fixed yet
>>728945748I struggled against Bizarro Sephiroth but otherwise yeah the game was pretty easy
>>728948041I know that Aerith dies, Cloud's past is fake and that you fight Sephiroth's clones before the actual Sephiroth.
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>>728947027Play 8 or 9. They improved the character models a lot and integrated them into the cutscenes better. 7 is like the beta test for a PlayStation Final Fantasy.
>it’s not hardOkay? That’s not a qualifier of a good game
>>728946045>Download the fuckass PC version from some spyware torrentyeah no thanks , call me when ff7 gets decompiled
>>728951754How poor are you nigga? That shit's like 2 bucks probably
>>728951754Of all the games getting this treatment I'm surprised FF7 didn't get it yet
>>728947027You're supposed to mod it on PC if you want it to look better. Console plebs gonna console pleb.
>>728947027>and this supposed emotional epic of a story I've heard people gush about for years is the most bog standard anime plot imaginableIt's bog standard from the zoomer point of view because everything afterwards tried to copy it. Just like Evangelion.
>>728947092No, and you are a purist retard.
>>728945829There are some with tight resource management within boss fights or between heal/save points, but they're very rare and have to limit impact (positive or negative) of grinding and hoarding in order to not fall into your dichotomy.So FF8 is basically the only one I can think of offhand.
>>728947092I agree, most of these difficulty mods also swing too massively in terms of difficulty. They turn a very easy game into super serious sweat inducing where you get walled by an early level mob because now they hit 5 times harder.
What the hell, why did the jannies delete my post? I said>>728945748I'd argue that has helped it over the last 30 years more than not. Makes it extremely easy to pick up and play, and thus be a lot of people's first JRPG like moi. With that said, play New Threat. It's pretty darn good.
>>728947092Sounds like you have an autistically narrow view of what a mod "should" be. *Why* should New Threat only be the small tweaks you talk about, when there already were dozens of mods that did exactly that? Why *shouldn't* I have fun with the modder's cool ideas for new bosses, gearing, and mechanics?
Agreed. At least the remakes are hard, or at least my wiener is ;)
>>728945748Then don't fight so many enemies.
>>728954998Left > Right
>>728955163but enough about modern politics
the remake is relatively hard
>>728955201Based.
>>728955201I'm sorry you're homosexual, anon.
>>728955297I'd rather be a faggot than a golem that worships pedos, jews, AI, russia, saudi arabia and india, but alas, I'm not.
>>728955417Holy schizo projection outta nowhere. You American?
>>728955417>but alas, I'm not.Then doesn't that imply that you're said golem...?
>>728945748run from every random battle and fight the bosses. that's a challenge
>>728955510>I'd rather be A than B, but I'm not A. >This means you're B. Never take an IQ test, anon. The result will probably emotionally hurt you.
>>728955417>I'd rather be X than a golem that worships pedos, jews, AI, russia, saudi arabia and india>but alas, I'm notSo you're saying you ARE a golem that worships pedos, jews, AI, russia, saudi arabia and india
>>728953203not purist, just faithful to the actual ff7 world setting. i wouldnt be totally purist though, id add new things. id modify the game completely, but it'd feel like the original. like i would change chocobo loot tables, breeding mechanics, etc, SLIGHTLY. but they wouldnt stray far from the original, theyd just make the game more interesting and harder in a long term sense. im all about that progressive build difficulty. if the game gets to challenging for someone, they will need to grind and actually stop and think of a good materia set up. if you dont think and put in effort to strategize how you buy potions etc, i want people to get game overs. but as above anon said, i wouldnt want it to be sweaty, just difficult in the long term. like you could manage an encounter, but several encounters will be too much if you're not prepared and will chip away, and you'll get game overedi would add new enemies as i mentioned, occasional different colored mobs that are harder to kill. maybe strange or rare forest encounters, things like that. not too much as to be overwhelming and losing the identity of the game though. existing bosses would be given some extra moves and changed to be more challengingthe gold saucer i would change alot to make it one of the main things of the overhaul. and emerald, ruby etc i'd modify a bit to not be as gimmicky, and be more about strategy and a long drawn out fight. they'd have some of their signature moves still, but i never liked how you were forced to cheese those bosses>>728954384yeah, not a fan of it
Jesus christ final fantasy 7 fans have went full mako nuts
>>728945748Demon wall and funnily enough schizo can pose a challenge for a blind player but yeah it is a rather easy game.
>>728947027Don't complain about the visuals, it's not the game's fault you're too poor and had to buy a shitty port, and also too retarded to use an emulator.
>>728945748It's a 90s Square JRPG. They are all piss easy. You mainly play them for number-going-up autism and cool character moments.
>>728945748Wait didn't you need a guide to find every summon like knights & bahamunt?
>>728945748Just put it in the trash where it belongs and play Clair Obscur.
>>728957310Not really, there are missables like Bahamut and Kujata but their materias are right on the screen in front of you when you can get them and it's just a matter of if you notice them or not.
>2019, be playing game for the first time ever>Pretty early on, get an item called All Materia>It doesn't say exactly what it does, the description is vague>Ignore it and tell myself I'll look into it later on>Fast forward to when I get to the final dungeon>I forgot exactly how, but I learned what All Materia finally did>The entire game was relatively easy with a few slightly challenging parts>And I never once used All Materia up until that pointI'm dumb for not using it. But considering it was already a mostly easy game, I can't imagine what kind of cakewalk it would have been with All Materia. I could have beaten it with my eyes closed. Kind of disappointing. I even beat the Wutai side quest.
>>728957862So what does it do anon?I vaguely remember some that was kinda like blue magic from earlier games was that the one?
>>728957862The tutorials say pretty explicitly what it does.
>>728958113It makes the linked materia hit all targets, so if you link it with Cure then you can Cure everyone with one cast. The blue magic materia is Enemy Skill.
>>728958113It allows you to use a spell on all targets. For example if you heal, you can heal all 3 party members at once. You can cast fire on all enemies at once, etc. But the description never states that and I was too lazy to see what it does.>>728958148There was a tutorial? Is it optional because I don't seem to remember there being one.
>>728958349>There was a tutorial?In Sector 7 slums right above the weapon shop.
>>728958267It makes it possible to hit all targets with the linked materia (one time per battle per All materia level)>>728958349There's the tutorial hall in the slums but I think it's optional. But I'm pretty sure you get your first All from there.
>>728958391Wow I guess I missed it.
>>728957862>It doesn't say exactly what it does, the description is vagueWhat part of "Uses paired magic on all targets" is vague?
>>728947092>user made mods are almost always bad 100% of the timeI mean most mods just tweak values because it's way easier than developing an actual system of gameplay, people with real gameplay ideas make their own games.
>>728945829>or you need to grind to not get one shotany examples? i'd like to try one of those JRPGs out.
it took me 22 years to learn you can skip through Quistis' tutorials
>>72894574899% of games are piss easy. TWEWY is piss easy. Kingdom Hearts is piss easy. Dark Souls is piss easy.
>>728958504When I examined it, I'm pretty sure it just said "Uses All Materia" or something confusing like that.
>>728957862>zoomer completely sleeps through the tutorial and beginning of the gamemany such cases.
>>728945873True. Remember the moment when Cait Sith betrays everyone right in front of their faces, turns around, and Cloud is just like "okay man you can still be in our party bro"? Truly a one of a kind masterpiece, definitely convoluted as a sign of greatness and not utter ineptitude.
>>728958741>Remember the moment when Cait Sith betrays everyone right in front of their faces, turns around, and Cloud is just like "okay man you can still be in our party bro"?Yeah I remember when he told them he had Marlene as a hostage and threatened to kill her if he wasn't allowed to tag along.
>>728958705I'm pretty good at vidya for a zoomer then.
>>728958645Anone...
>>728958705FF tutorials were optional before FFVIII, they're all off in some side room in the starting area.
>>728958846Interesting. Maybe a translation difference? It was 6 years ago and I have bad memory so I really don't know. Whatever it was, I just never bothered trying it out.
Bump
>>728958858They weren't all in side room tutorial halls. FFV has a small tutorial that you can refuse as does FFVII with barret asking you on usage of materia.But you can at least refuse I think X is the first that really forces you to suffer through a tutorial every time.
>>728959005You probably just remember it wrong.
>find enemy skill materia in 7>it literally gives you an entire skill set with tons of broken cool shit for just 1 slot>complete shit in the remake but gets amazing in rebirth againI hope you can get all old skills in the third game
What does the Lifestream even do?
>>728945829Most RPGs that don't suck shit never require grinding for the main story.Even Dragon Quest has some bosses that can be tough if you don't outlevel them
>>728947027i played it much later as well that everyone. For me it was Uematsos soundtrack
>>728962684at least learn to spell his name's transliteration right
>>728962767sorry phone posting but he is truly great. ff8 ost was great as well. i do regret not playing it at launch since the full story was ruined to me
>>728949136I look like that
>>728962943I'm glad to have played 7 through 10 (well through 13) (but less glad about those even if I don't hate 13)) as they came out..
>>728945748Are you joking? The game is actually designed to be played with a guide, that was sold at the time of release. Relatively easy to get lost, and very easy to miss some good materia.Of course, further replays look trivial, specially if you're a gaymer.
>>728964709>Relatively easy to get lostFucking how?
>>728964709The way the game is structured, the only time one might get lost is when you need the keystone to the temple of the ancients.
>>728964770It's a time of learned helplessness.
>>728964770Just trying to find your way to the different towns, and across the ocean, most people will get lost there without help.
>>728964943>Just trying to find your way to the different townsThe world map funnels you to the next town, with only one other possible area if you run past the town you're supposed to be in. >and across the oceanYou don't even know you're supposed to cross the ocean until you're already following Rufus onto the ship in a cutscene.
>>728945829Panzer Dragoon Saga does not require grinding, if you do only as much as explore the entire map, you'll always be just strong enough.Chrono Trigger comes in as a close second.
>>728945829Play SaGa or the Last Remnant
>>728964770Be six years old anon
>>728955589>Put up a (false) dichotomy out of your ass>Say you're not thing A of such dichotomy>"lmao why do you assume I said I was element B, u dumb lollmao"It's always funny how libtards "logic" completely falls apart and backfires the moment it is put under the littlest bit of scrutinity.
>Zoomers discover classic jrpgs
>>728964709Cant think of anything except the keystone and the ancient key (the one you have to get with the submarine), and i guess both of them were lost in translation, atleast in the german version.>>728964943you have the entire world map with 90% of locations mapped on it, right from the start.
>>728965801I played it when I was 7.
>>728958590Go play the original Phantasy Star 1. Good luck taking 10 steps outside the starting town without needing to go back to heal. Other than that the game is good, and the art on the monsters is really nice for a Master System game.
>>728945748>final fantasy>hard
>>728951614>what is chrono trigger
>>728945748>one huge flaw this game has is that it's way too fucking easyYou mean that the gameplay sucks. Also, so does the plot.>>728945873What part was emotionally complex or moving? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Felt more over Alundra 1.
>>728966945>Phantasy Star 1Yeah, the difficulty curve for that one is kind of nuts, it's entirely possible for the very first encounter right outside the starting town to kill you if the encounter rolls a high enough number of enemies.
Never forgive Square Enix for turning Cloud into a depressed Asian college student.
>>728945748It was meant to be easy. You have Weapon bosses for a challenge.
>>728945748>>728945829Play Dragon Quest 4 for the DS. It's difficulty is perfectly balanced
>>728969094Emo aesthetics were popular back then.
>>728946296>hates turnee basedAll you fucking reql time combat fucjing faggots need to have their hime invaded and get shot
>>728969223Why DS specifically? Is the original balanced differently?
>>728969223I wouldn't call it perfectly balanced. Psaros really wants one level for the evil priest battle (so he can learn baigiruto/attack buff in english as he's required to initiate it. But that's technically post-game content.
>>728969479Original Famicom has only AI-controlled party members (but it is also a bit easier than later releases).. DQ4 is also probably the origin of "this isn't even my final form" as the final boss has no less than 7 forms.
>>728969731>7 formsKino!
man cloud can be such a sperg lmao
>>728945916>he didn't kill the Weaponsyou didn't beat the game
>>728957232>They are all piss easy
>>728967385Chrono Trigger is piss easy though.
>>728971182It's a rather kino endurance fight. I couldn't even be mad upon first losing when I learned that I had my whole party available that whole time.
>>728945748JRPGs as a whole aren't intended to be difficult, just time consuming. The hardest part of the game was added for American audiences (Ruby and Emerald Weapon) and those aren't exceedingly difficult.
>>728972289>added for American audiencesdon't flatter yourself. it's stuff that was added for the international release (first FF release in europe)
>>728972369Looks like the US version came first.
>>728972369lol retard
>>728945748it's turn-based, nowadays that's not ideal.
>>728945748>Even without a guide or grinding nothing really ever poses a challenge.You did not beat the Weapons or did Chocobo breeding without a guide, kid.
>>728973772Chocobo breeding might be time consuming but it's not hard. The game literally tells you how to do it.
>>728973772The Chocobo Sage tells you everything you need to know about getting a Gold Chocobo. And Knights of the Round are your (almost) auto win button for the Weapons. Though that's mainly for Ruby and Emerald, Diamond and Ultimate are easily beatable with just a strong party.
>>728965873men are more likely to be killed by cops because no cop is going to want to murder a woman and no one cares if men die, see; every war.
>>728975613Using KotR will instantly kill you with the Aire Tam Storm reprisal.
>>728954998At first I was like tits.>>728976523But then I was like death and war.
>>728953810yeah, having played it the proper way before they rereleased with the cheats, the grind was at a good balance.it was (to me) very unique to be seeking out specific enemies to harvest their skills
