*ruins first person shooters forever*
>>728948671Lol FILTERED!
>>728948671How can you ruin something that is already dead?
>>728948910The fact that Doom Eternal STILL gets regular discussion threads on /v/ proves that it is STILL culturally relevant.
Have you seen the dozens of awful Overwatch and COD4 clones over the years? Those are far more damaging to not only the FPS genre, but video games as a whole than any Doom game
>>728948671Only Shadow Warrior 3 was influenced by it though.
>>728949095>Killing Floor 3
>>728949030it's just people shitting on it
>>728948671thanks for reminding me to replay the only relevant SP shooter
>>728948671what kind of absolute consoleshitter zoomer is mad at eternal of all things when fps went through a decade of literal dark age with nothing but modern military campaigns in various shades of brown
>>728949183>It's just shitters seething about itFTFY
>>728948671Doom has zero bad entries.
>>728949419This. I would argue Doom is the most culturally relevant and highest quality franchise of all time.
>>728948671To say it ruined FPS implies it has changed the way new ones are being made. Even the new doom game is nothing like eternal. What FPS games have been influenced by it?
>>728950935Killing Floor 3 and Shadow Warrior 3
Either I've gotten too old for this game, or it becomes way harder on higher framerates. I used to do ultra nightmare master levels for fun, but as soon as I turned 30 I can barely even finish them with checkpoints.
>>728951221>gotten too old>used tothe game is barely 5 years old lmao
>>728949419>Doom has zero bad entries.Dark Ages exists. And despite how much people like it, Shiternal has more in common with a Quake 3 bot match than it does Doom; boring fucking arena fights separated by the most boringly linear "levels" ever put into video games.
>>728949419
>>728951448Meant to say based
>>728951436>2016fag forgets that his game had even more arenas
>>728951436>crying about linearity and arenas without mentioning 2016 which was even more linear with only arena fightsoh gee
>>728950985irrelevant games
>>728951924Killing Floor is the /v/-core series.
>>728951436Damn bro sorry you got your ass kicked by chads like me in Q3A and UT back in the dizzay! I guess your little beta ass will have to seethe about it for the rest of your life!
>>728951989yeah this board loves dead games like killing floor or sonic racing crossworlds
>>728950985>Killing Floor 3>co-op live-service shooterwell, they definitely didn't try to emulate eternal's sales that's for sure
>>728952104>Damn bro sorry you got your ass kicked by chads like me in Q3A and UT back in the dizzay!shut up you let arena shooters dieFUCK YOU
>>728948671There's like a few games trying to ape it with glory kills and dashing but it always falls short. I'd say KF3 would be the most baffling and shittiest in its attempt at this.
>>728952278> t. Seething thirdie.
>>728952256shadow warrior 3 was a failure tooultrakill and turbo overkill are the only games influenced by doom eternal and these games were not very successful
>>728952405fuck you counter strike killed arena shooters thanks to people like you
>>728952278Well, at least we have Doom Eternal. I didn't like the expansions though.
>>728952540doom eternal is not an arena shooterfortunately quake live is still active somehow
Dark ages is kinda mediocre but if nothing else at least their engine and graphics continue to look great. Yes yes they fell for the full raytracing meme but it's still pretty optimized despite that.
>>728949241What’s wrong with Doom 2016?
>>728952631They added lower-than-low settings after launch, which I appreciated. I can actually run the game at native resolution now.
bait
>>728948671what? you are aware that we own all of the older shooters that we want/like, right? You are aware that Doom, Doom II, Final Doom, Quake, Quake II, Quake III Arena, UT, UT2004, etc still exist?One game can not ruin a genre forever. One game can only be retarded shit by itself.
>>728952635Nothing, just in comparison to Eternal it leaves a little to be desired. Really the image should be updated with Eternal/2016 while the big boy is Dark Ages
>>728952540Doom eternal dlc 1 is like my personal favourite single player fps experience ever because you're dropped into constant ball busting rape encounters with fully upgraded gear. No progression bullshit no fluff just git gudThey ended up nerfing it but I don't remember how much
>>728952916They undid most of the nerfs, but one that I remember stuck for sure is removing some enemies from the fog in level 2.
>>728949030>The fact that Doom Eternal STILL gets regular discussion threads on /v/everyone hates the platforming.
>>728952773>no new thing has ever been influenced by old thing
>>728953047I don't. In fact, they should have leaned harder into it and made it actually difficult.
>>728953232They should have made it not completely automated.
>>728953232Too bad it took them till the very end to think up meathook points.
>>728949030>regular discussionmore like shitposting, no one actually cares about the game other than to shit on it
>>728953047I thought it was a fun pace-breaker
>>728953621>Doom Eternal filtered so many FPS shitters that there's still regular discussion and seething over itFTFY (Fixed That For You)
>>728953173what? backwards ass logic. My point is that older games are not influenced by newer games. And that innovation, or an attempt at an innovation in video games by itself is good. Even if the final products turns out to be total fucking shite. Like doom medieval faggotry with muh pawer whamen or whatever propaganda bullshit should not even exist. But it does and it still has no influence on actual good games in the FPS genre.BF6 was decent for what it is, massive normie warfare multiplayer slop. Counter Strike (II) is as good and going as strong as ever. In 2025.Genre is just fine.
>>728953047the platforming is wack, you spend a lot of time facing a fucking WALL you climb because of the first person perspectivelike i'm pretty sure you spend more time climbing walls and jumping off monkey bars than you do actually fighting
>>728953813why are you like this
>>728953857Why can the game not have an actual horde of demons and why am I facing the tiniest amounts of demons at all times? Because modern day practices are gay and so is modern doom.
>>728953967who are you trying to fool
>>728953967Nobody actually likes slaughtershit.
>>728954029>>728954038So having more than 10 demons on the screen at once is "slaughtershit?" I guess the older games are slaughtershit and the new ones are off-brand, off-genre, and not related to doom at all.
>>728954181You overestimate how often the old games throw hordes at you.
there's been barely any doo maternal clones
>>728954181post wad folder
>>728948671>*ruins first person shooters forever*That would be Half-Life 2. Hell, it ruined games in general with the unskippable in-game "cutscenes".
>>728954316>pick up a key>3 compartments of the room packed with mobs open behind your backdoom is no serious sam, but let us no pretend that you're not facing packs of mobs every time you take a key even in the first DOOM.I don't member, maybe you don't face a lot of monsters on the lowest difficulty settings, but there are indeed hordes, by the standards of doom anyway, on higher difficulties.
>>7289490304chan is an anonymous website. You can safely assume that 95% of the "discussion" consists of the same three autists samefagging in pursuit of their weird autist agenda (convincing people on the internet of a video game everyone stopped caring about years ago being bad). Same goes for DS2.
>>728954476I prefer spamming E on dudes while they talk rather than a snoozeworthy cutscene. That being said there should be a way to skip it for people who don't care as much or for their second playthrough etc
>>728954492nah
>>728948671Why couldn't the dark ages capture the feel of this game? Eternal is just balls to the wall and feels so good once you get the flow and just start raping. TDA never really captured me the same way, couldn't even finish it
>>728948671The gameplay is pretty good but the story is so ass, especially in the dlc.
Ruined it by being so good that another FPS has yet to top it since its release? Yea that's true I guess.
>>728954701is that game really all about parrying
>>728954701They figured that they did all they could with Eternal's formula, and tried something else.
>>728948671OP here, wrong game
>>728948671it's a great game! I'm replaying it right now.
>>728951436Played it on Steam Deck. It's not even that bad.
>>728952635Turned Doom into a shitty painkiller clone
>>728955276quake boomers still seething they got replaced by halo
>>728955648Less that, the 2010s shooter were all garbage boring military shooters, and that shit lasted for 5-6 years. It was the worse era of shooters and showed exactly why big corporations had no business in gaming.
>>728948847the attack of the non-argument
>this random zoomer game ruined fps>not call of duty>not halo>not unreal tournament
>>728955648why are you trying to instigate this retarded tribal warfare about FPS, you brainlet? Halo is available on PC and always has been, you smoothbrain, people, who are into FPS a lot, own and enjoy both Quake and Halo. And UT. And DOOM. And Soldiers of Fortune. And Medal of Honor. And Battlefield. And Crisis. And Fear. And even some ocassional Call of Duty. And the list goes on, and on, and on.
>>728951436Dark Ages blows 90% of shooters out of the water. If you swapped, say, Cyberpunk's gameplay for Dark Ages it would be a very steep improvement. It's just that Dark Ages gets compared to Eternal which was basically the best adrenaline-pumping boomer shooter ever made. Dark Ages slowed things down to appeal to a more casual audience, didn't get that audience, and so all they were left with was disappointed Eternal fans.Eternal sold way more than it should have because it had the most perfect release timing of all time so it drew a lot of players who wouldn't normally be into that sort of game and that's where most of the criticism came from. idTech tried to respond to that criticism but unfortunately they were responding to an audience that probably wasn't going to buy the next Doom game no matter what.
>>728956351i doubt the ccp virus had much effect on sales
wrong pic sorry
>>728948671Zenimax fucked up the franchise AND genre years prior, underage nigga.
>>728948671game feels like it was made by a ten year old with a shithead imagination. I'm trying to feel horrified over here and this action hero chain saw kill sequence garbage going on it used to be if those fucking things touched you you were dead not hit this fucking button and be a real bad ass motherfucker and tear this monsters body apart its like the game is giving your ADHD as you watch it
>>728956497Anon, Doom Eternal released EXACTLY when lockdowns started and everyone was sitting around at home with nothing to do. It was one of just two major games to release that spring with the other being an Animal Crossing game that could not be any more divergent if it tried. Both Animal Crossing and Doom Eternal outsold their previous entries by at least an order of magnitude. There's no question covid boosted sales.
>>728948671*when doom peaked*
>>728957759Eternal was the most hyped game of 2020
>>728948671Ruined by being so good that all other shooters suck in comparison?
>>728957887that was doom 2
>>728957949But enough about Doom 2.
>>728958179>>728958056>zoomer masquerading as boomerYou don't fit in
>>728948671this game objectively has the best fps gameplay of that genre of all time lmao
Any /fit/izens in this thread? What weight training program/steroid stack would I need to look like Doomguy?
FPS games was ruined when they stopped being action maze crawlers
>>728958527warfork is betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HvItD8AoFUany arena shooter is better
>>728948671the same way dark souls ruined action games forever.
eternal ruined nudoom for me.the first time i played this game, i thought the novelty was intriguing BECAUSE of how how much I loved 2016. but the second time, I ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HATED IT.why oh why do i have to fight my keyboard every single time. flame thrower, two grenades, 3 mods for every weapon, hold key for weapon wheelmario 64 platforming, toxic sludge that slows you ass pull bullshit at every fucking corner. you are dying, game goes into slow motion but you pressed the wrong button and now you will die because instead of the chainsaw you pressed weapon mod change button.WHY. 2016 was perfection. the reason i haven't bothered with Dark ages is because i don't want another gimmick filled bullshit game. no i don't want the Bayonetta of FPS games. i want another 2016, simple monster killing game. not a game that makes look at my keyboard every time i try to play.
>>728949095>Shadow Warrior 3god what a shitshowthough I'm surprised that people tolerated SW2 despite it being flaming garbage, no single player shooter should have gearscore guns and randomized levels
>>728954701it's the dark souls of doom gamesalso, they listened to all the console bros whining about how eternal is way too hard and made something that's more palatable to a dude with a controller i.e. not having to aim and just hammering the green gong button
>>728961885>2016 was perfection.2016 was too easy.
>>728962612>2016 was too easy.it was more fun. unironically i think the very reason why Dark Ages didn't work is because most gamers, like me, even though they kinda liked eternal, they didn't want another bullshit gimmick game. they wanted another fun straight forward shooter like 2016. no one wants to remember a tone of key bindings. reddit tryhards like it but that's not going to sell a lot of copies ever again.
>>728962612Yeah. I think 2016 leaned too heavily on making the Doomguy some unkillable demigod that the demons fear. A main character that canonically doesn’t die doesn’t make a good story. Doom is more fun when you become a badass through sheer skill and will to survive. It’s super satisfying to tear through enemies knowing that a couple hits will send you to the beginning of the level.
>>728963183>through sheer skillin eternal everything is a health piñata. the difficulty of 2016 was better balanced.
>>728948671Doom 2016 and especially Eternal brought back boomer shooters and that genre is on the rise again since everyone was getting tired of COD and Battlefield and other games copying them. Reason we got the Shadow Warrior reboot trilogy, the Ion Fury games, remasters of old FPS, Ultrakill, Warhammer 40K Boltgun, Trepang 2, and others.
>>728963183>A main character that canonically doesn’t die doesn’t make a good storyImmortality doesn't mean shit if you die when your Health hits 0. Doomguy might /be/ immortal but nothing about that is represented in the gameplay, like other immortal protagonists. It's just fluff I didn't really give a shit about.>>728963118It's fun killing demons, but I had to actively avoid using the railgun and minigun (turret mode) to not feel like I had an out on every difficult moment. Aside from already having a BFG.
Name a better FPS than Doom Eternal.
>>728963423I really wouldn't call 2016 and eternal boomer shooters. The entire point of the term is that they ape ancient games like quake or duke, not that they are merely non-modern military shooters
>>728963941I genuinely can't if you prioritize combatmost shooters don't even really try with combat
>>728963264And everything in 2016 wasn't?
>>728964320>And everything in 2016 wasn't?not the same way. but it doesn't matter. for me 2016 is infinitely replayable. Eternal is "fine" but i absolutely hated playing it again for all the reasons i posted above. FPS games are supposed to be simple and violent. one "Bayonetta of fps" was enough. they didn't have to make another gimmick Doom with Dark Ages. it should have been a straighforward shooter.
>loved Doom 2016>didn't even finish Doom EternalAm I the only one?
>>728964508why? why not have a subgenre of shooters where you do cool shit instead of "walk forward and click on things as they appear and don't think more than that"
>>728964508It is in the exact same way. Even down to having a grenade that gives you back health.
>>728964584No, /v/ is infested with consolefags these days.
>>728961885i finished eternal on nightmare without basically ever using nades or the flamethroweryou dont need them to beat the game
>>728956351I think the whole Mick Gordon thing also hurt it. The music was huge for the marketing, like even if you never played Doom you probably saw people memeing about RIP AND TEAR. TDA had nothing like that
>>728962612back in 2016 before retro shooters hit the tower i was so desperate for 2016 to be actually difficult that i tried a self-imposed challenge of no glory kills and found out the game is easier in certain situations if you dont glory kill2016 crawled so eternal could run
>>728964508This is one hell of a cope holy shit
>game has literally any mechanical depth>"whoa, holy fucking ADHD"every time
>>728963941Considering that level design and exploration are as important to a singleplayer fps as the shooting itself, I can name quite a few that are better. However if you talk purely about the combat I concede doom eternal is probably the best
>>728948671can't ruin first person shooters because they are the shitty slop genre for retards. always have been, always will be
>>728963183im sick of doom 3 niggers pretending like their game was good in any way
>>728965230Its baffling they went with some no-name retards for the TDA ost when Hushult and the other Ancient Gods composer were right there and willing. I get the feeling Hugo and Marty don't get why people like the music at all and thought well its got guitars and stuff so people will like it. Probably why they thought they could get away with kicking Mick to the curb as well. Fucking out of touch retards. Glad the game bombed.
>>728965880you wouldnt get it
>>728965605God, I love Plutonia and Doom Eternal.
>>728965392>This is one hell of a cope holy shitit's not cope. i just didn't like replaying it. it was fine for one walkthrough. im not saying it's bad, but this high skill fps bullshit doesn't have mass market appeal. i maintain that >Eternal was a hit because of the good faith of 2016>TDA was a bomb because of the meh faith of Eternal (in the eyes of the common gamer)replaying Eternal was the one thing that fundamentally made me not want to play another gimmicky fps. i want some straight forward violent demon killing.
>>728966571Just stop coping and lower the difficulty until it's not too challenging
>>728961885You're bad at videogames
>>728963941If you're talking purely mechanically, I can't. It literally will make you better at other FPS if you get good at it.
>>728966759>lower the difficultybut im not dying because of the "difficulty". im dying because i forget the fucking keys. and im dying because i can't be bothered with the double jump - dash - mid air dash reset - jump - dash - monkey bar - double jump - double dash.unironically if there was a mode without all the mario 64 i would probably love this game.
>>728967248You are dying because the game is too difficult and refuse to lower the difficulty for some reason, and are mad at the game as a result
>>728967248memory not so good anymore, eh unc
>>728967347>You are dying because the game is too difficultno i die because i press the weapon mod switch button instead of the weapon wheel and the grenade change instead of the grenade throw. the game makes sense if you play every day but if you take a couple of days off you have to learn everything again from the start. fps are supposed to be simple.
>>728968098You wouldn't die if you played on a lower difficulty which allows for more mistakes. The game is too difficult for you. This is just pathetic now
>>728966969>You're bad at videogamesi did finish the game once. i just didn't have fun playing it again. i think most gamers are like me and that's a big factor that kept people from TDA. most gamers didn't want yet another high skill ceiling gimmicky fps but a simple and fun one like 2016.
>>728968234nothing changes the fact that i have to go through a mini tutorial phase every time i fire up this game to remember all the moves.
i feel like doom eternal is the FF IX of fps games:the anons that like it swear by it but everyone else just doesn't care.
>>728968240Eternal had better player retention than 2016.
>>728968339Lowering the difficulty would change it actually since again it means more rooms for mistake and also ignoring some mechanics altogether becomes easierBut you moved goalposts anyway and it's time to accept your concession, in the future you can just lower difficulty instead of blaming the game
>>728968985>it's time to accept your concessionnothing changes the fact that i have to go through a mini tutorial phase every time i fire up this game to remember all the moves.
>>728969192Lower the difficulty, child
>>728969232>Lower the difficulty, childdeflecting. the complexity of the game doesn't suit the FPS genre
I played it through twice but haven't really bothered to go back to it since. It's enjoyable enough, even if the platforming is gay.
>>728969309Glad you now at least accept that the game is too difficult for your geriatric mindGod created easy mode just for people like you
>>728969541>Glad you now at least accept that the game is too difficultdeflecting. it's mechanically complex, not hard. i just don't want a DMC or Bayonetta experience out of an fps. i mean Eternal was enough. TDA should have gone back to 2016
>>728956351>If you swapped, say, Cyberpunk's gameplay for Dark Ages it would be a very steep improvement.kek
>>728969679>dark souls would be so easy if I could just keep smacking enemies but I have to manage this stupid stamina system it's not that I'm shit at the game it's just mechanically complex man that's completely differentGoing back to my very first post, holy fucking cope batman. You are genuinely mentally ill, as expected from the average shitter. Literally not worth wasting another breath on
>>728948671>play space marine 2 (I played the first game on release)>100% style over substance>forced to glory kill cutscene to survive>no enemy variety>clunky controls>weapons feel bad to shoot cause everything tanks shots or staggers into a glory kill cutsceneHow is it possible to make a game more shallow than space marine 1 and that has worse gameplay? Fucking mind boggling anybody bought it. I blame nu doom
>>728956351Dark Ages is mediocre. There is no incentive to not pick a "main" weapon and use it for the entire game.
>>728970419>There is no incentive to not pick a "main" weapon and use it for the entire game.is ammo not a concern in that game
>>728969901>>dark souls>You are genuinely mentally illyou just agreed with my point: the genre of fps. you had to talk about a third person action rpg. i don't want DMC or dark souls out of my fps.this is what i want out of my fps gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72S2aAxtZOs
>>728970461Not in the slightest.
>>728948671
>>728970210i made a friend play space marine 1 after space marine 2 and he was so bored he couldn't finish it lol. say what you want about space marine 2's "dump into heads and glory kill to survive" gameplay but space marine 1 is just "shoot orc lol," even when it launched it was known as an easy power fantasy game i hope space marine 3 isn't like either
>>728971120*smacks lips* man i love slaughtershit
nudoom is dogshit the original doom and quake in 3d already perfected the fundamental fps design, instead of just building on that they keep trying to re-invent the wheel, is it different from it's contemporaries? yeah kinda but it's still cringe and gimmicky and will never be as good it's predecessors
>>728948671Yeah. All FPS games are boring in comparison.
>>728968240You didn't beat it on Nightmare and you're bad at videogames. You aren't allowed to have an opinion.
>>728968098Then remap your weapon keys nigga what are you, a console player?
>>728972246LOL filtered
>>728973515The Dark Ages while not being anywhere near as amazing as Eternal, was a good FPS with excellent art direction.
>>728952635It's painfully bland in every aspect and the level design and aesthetic fucking sucks, the weapons aren't balanced at all and the whole "doomguy skips le cutscenes" thing is cringe and reddit, why have a cutscene showing this instead of just not having a cutscene? The glory kill system was fucking gay and retarded and got old and annoying very very fast. I resent how overrated Doom 2016 was when it came out.
