OH FUCK
It's fair.
>>728950369big if true
>>728950369Disqualified because it used AI but not because it's not an indie game? Lmao
STRIPPED!!! IT'S OVER E33 TROONS AHAHAHAH
>>728950369its over..... bros... i think we won, AI lost, every game will be afraid of using AI now...
>>728950369>Indie game awards to Clair Obscur
>>728950369>trick anti-AI retards into thinking AI is actually so good that they give it GOTYwe do a little bit of trolling
Fake news
>>728951027https://insider-gaming.com/indie-game-awards-disqualifies-clair-obscur-expedition-33-gen-ai/
>>728950517Indie game is just a title people slap on games they like arbitrarily to virtue signal about how good their game is because it's not made by rich people. They don't use the term to mean something like indie band because none of these people actually play indie games in the first place.
>>728950464how? it's not their fault the assets they got from unreal store turned out to be ai generated. it's impossible to tell how assets were created unless you make every single one yourself
I like the AI controversy because it allows me to easily see which of my acquaintances are virtue signaling no brain faggots.There hasn't been a way that easy to tell since the mask-wearing during COVID.Every video game made in the last 5 years has used AI in some capacity. Literally without exception.
can anyone give an example of an AI generated asset being used in the game? no? oh.
Sucks for actual indie devs that they're hardly considered against these non-indie companies.
>>728950369The what now award?
Nuclear Throne should've won it instead and GOTY too. u100 came out so it's relevant.
>>728951220Damn son
>>728950369I think it's more offensive that this 10 million dollar project is considered as "indie", than the game using generative AI for some background prop
>>728951410It's time to call them out
>>728951443
>>728950369>the anti-AI lookit's starting to make sense now
First Larian StudiosNow SandfallNext Team Cherry
Didn’t we know this already before this past Saturday?
>>728951574this isn't in the final game though
>>728950369Oh yeah, THAT's going too far.
I think what people aren't even noticing is that the Gen Ai shit that was found out in E33 was found out fucking early in the games release and the statement the director said about using some Gen Ai came out fucking MONTHS AGO.That just means that this indie award show literally didn't even do research or vet the actual participants until that old interview got resurfaced recently >"We use some AI, but not much," François Meurisse, producer of Clair Obscur, tells EL PAÍS via videoconference. "The key is that we were very clear about what we wanted to do and what to invest in. And, of course, technology has allowed us to do things that were unthinkable a short time ago," explains Meurisse. "Unreal Engine 5's tools and assets have been very important in improving the graphics, gameplay, and cinematics."This interview was in fucking JULYhttps://english.elpais.com/culture/2025-07-19/the-low-cost-creative-revolution-how-technology-is-making-art-accessible-to-everyone.html
yet no one has said what was ai generated
>>728950369>>728951584Isn't this the award show that attempted to go into hiding after Asmongold made a video making fun of them?
This will fast track them to the irrelevant game awards. Really the debate should be if the game was indie in the first place instead of just your standard AA game with a lot of funding behind it.
This anti-war is absurd and already lost
>>728950369>one accidental asset that was removed months ago and they should've already known about long before the show anywaysShowrunners are retards.>while Game of the Year now goes to Blue Prince.lmao yep.
>>728951584What the fuck is that thing?
>>728951410Shalom.
>>728951742*anti-AI war
>>728950369Literally who?>>728950517Yeah, I can see how it being an "indie" is questionable at best and would be against the spirit of the competition, but disqualifying it after the fact for AI is just pure derangement.
>>728951784A better man
>>728951584I can feel the soÿ emanating from this picture
>>728950369@Grok, is this a real headline? Faggot OP didn't post the source.
>>728951652Nobody researches anything, anon. Expedition 33 being called indie in the first place and used as an example for why indie games are beating AAA is a prime example of that.
basedAI = no buy
>>728951410DO NOT REDEEEEEEEM
>>728951574This was only noticed because AI is not good at writing text. The entire fucking game is full of AI, which is probably why it looks so soulless.
>>728950369Everyone even halfway plugged-in to gaming news has known about the AI placeholder asset for months. Giving E33 the award only to disqualify it the next day as some big headline-grabbing political statement is exactly the kind of gay ass self-important posturing one would expect from something called the Indie Game Awards.
>>728950369Losing the award is a bigger deal than them winning it lmao
>>728950369.
>>728950369>tfw
I have anti-AI fatigue
>>728950369OH SHITEVERYBODY GET IN HERE
>>728952141>>728952198I wonder if geoff will strip their awards too
>>728950369I would've disqualified it for having an 8-digit budget funded by a publisher but whatever
>>728950369>made by a pretty large team with a large budget and with a publisher>qualifies for indie>used gen AI>DISQUALIFY IT RIGHT NOWWhat the fuck is this Martian logic?
>>728951624It was. They got caught. Odds are all the other textures are AI shit too.
I really respect the balls to make a moral argument and stand on it here. I'm sure this is going to be a nightmare for the event organizers because of the more... militant aspects of E33s fan base.I think this is worth drawing a line in the sand over.
Good, we need more pushback against AI
>>728950369So they used AI generated placeholder textures during development and then switched them to proper textures for release and missed the newspaper texture.Am I missing something? I’m not really sure why this is a huge issue.
Their awards, their rules. I support the decision.
>>728950369>It's a real storyholy based
>>728952612yeah basically, the anti-AI crowd has become increasingly hyperbolic and emotionally unstable
Both Larian and indie darling Expedition 33 taken down in a week, wowCompanies, don't use GenAI in your stuff. It's that simple.
>>728951968>for why indie games are beating AAAThis isn't how it's being used at all - AAA developers wouldn't literally all have made it their GOTY if that was the caseIt's being used to normalize scaling down dev teams to make way for cheap and/or AI labor costs on game development which is what every AAA publisher wants to work towards
>>728952320>>728952612They're required to confirm they did not use gen ai in order to be eligible. They claimed they did not and later on admitted they did. It's not hard to understand you fucking retards.
I respect their decision and integrity. Also hope the blowback is at least somewhat mitigated by 80ish percent of gamers saying they disapprove of gen AI.
Reality:>disqualified because its too white
Half the game or more was probably ai generated. Boo-urns!
>>728950369>The Indie Game AwardsWho?
>>728950369The game is corporate backed slop and should have never been nominated in the first place.
>>728952793Damn you sound mad
>>72895051790% of successful indie games aren't even indie desu
Their event, their rules.They have the rights to decide this.And personally, I'm glad of their stance on GenAI.
>>728950369>'indie' game has a fuckhuge budget that isn't even their own money>nobody blinks>muh AI>reee you're not a real indie game!!!!!
>>728952320Because the indie game "scene" are a tranny artfag circlejerk. Obviously indie games are much broader but the stereotype of indie games platformer/walking simulator about being gay and depressed didn't come out of nowhere and wannabe artfags hate AI more than anything in the universe.
>>728952659>holy basedThe Indie Game Awards is literally made by a bunch of gcj trannies who hosted their awards in a private patreon stream to "protect themselves from right wingers"
>>728950369>game wasn't indie to begin with
>>728950369Funny how they admitted they used ai AFTER the tgas
>>728952793>They claimed they did not and later on admitted they did. It's not hard to understand you fucking retards.They already confirmed in the past that they did and replaced the one place holder AI texture. There's no AI in the final gameIf there's no AI in the final game whats the problem?
>>728952894Everyone was shitting on it being called indie way before this AI shit hit a fever pitch
>>728950369Expedition AI Slop and Jeet UE5 Assets 33
Fully support this decision, fuck genAi
>indie awards disqualify them for using AI but not for having a 10+ million dollar budget + 50 employees + 2 hired korean substudios + live orchestra + publishing deal with one of the biggest publishers
>>728950369Wait, something doesn't make sense. Shouldn't AI be the hero of indie? Since they're very small-scale low budget operations, they can cut back on art/sound/voice assets, right?
>disqualifying it over AI instead of the fact that it's not indie to begin withMeh.
>>728952932A broken clock etc. etc.
>>728952854>curtains have perfect Greek lettersVerdict: Not AI.
>>728951584>literal egg shaped neckbeard
>>728953027don't forget>movie deal 4 months before the game was even outsuch indie much wow
The more pushback against genAI in gaming the better imo.
The posts in this thread confirm that the anti-AI meltdown is exclusively driven by troons.
>>728953027none of these things are probably explicitly against their rules is the thing
>E33 is the biggest Indian scam not made by Indians
>>728950369Good stuff. Lines must be drawn.
>>728950369>The INDIE Game AwardsOk, nobody cares though
>>728952992>>728953159why do you browns keep trying to claim E33 when literally a couple of weeks ago you were spamming and seething over how White the game was?
E33 winning is the best and worst thing that could happen to the game.
>>728950369Indie games = troon games
NO REFUNDS
Based, quite frankly
>>728950369they never should have been classified as indie to begin with. they should have withdrawn from any such category like the Megabonk guys>but erm technicallyStop being obtuse. Everyone knows the connotation indie brings
>>728950369So instead of winning 101 awards they'll only win 100.
>>728953274Post hand with timestamp + traditional dish of European country.
>>728953130>Everyone I Don't Like is Hitl- I mean a Tranny>A Children's Guide to Online Discourse
>>728953027>yfw you notice that "indie" game E33 had a bigger budget than the vast majority of western RPGs
Generative AI is slop and the death of everything so pushback against it is good.Let's not pretend this shit is inevitable, in terms of sustainability as a business model it's NFTs with better marketing. There's a very good chance it's going to collapse the economy single-handedly.
>>728953402nigger it's not like we haven't caught you before
Due to AI?Not because it isn't even remotely a fucking indie game?lmao
>>728951584LMAO tranny so mad
>>728950369Based. Also if they were honest about AI from the start, I think they wouldn't have sweeped GA too. Personally, I moved game from the top of my backlog to the very bottom. It was already too normie-coded, but if antichrist generated them some of the assets, theirs is not underdog story at all
This is great news! AI bros keep shouting that AI is inevitable but I won't give my money to AI pushing devs/publishers, it's simple. I can wait out the AI game industry for over 20 years with 6th/7th/8th gen games.
>>728953484>cannot post hand with timestamp
>>728950369its also not indie
>>728953484>a jeet mudslimekek
who cares, still a good game
>>728953517It's basically impossible to create all art assets the game has with a team of 30 people. And all the outsourced people was stuff like QA and animations. People should have realized it sooner.
>indie awardsAny real indie award should be separated by the number of people who worked on it. >1man>3dudez>10peeps>20dawgs>30+ not fucking indie fuck offExceptions only made for things external to the game like translation and marketing because they're not actual devs working on the actual game.
>>728953296
>>728950369Do you think they used it as an excuse because saying it's not an indie (because it isn't) would've gotten twittertroons mad because TGA said it was an indie?
>>728951410trvke nvkem
>>728953612>still AI slop*
>>728952141>>728951584both look like stupid manchinldren
Couldn't give a shit. Still one of the best games I've ever played. Wishing a slow death to all anti-AI "artists".
>>728953380From what I understand Megabonk dev withdrew because he published other games before and the category is "debut indie".Though on that topic counting E33 as "debut" is also questionable. The studio is new but they've had game industry experience, so it's neither debut nor indie.
>>728953753You should play more games
>>728951410t. clanker
nothing wrong with it, they should just adjust the price of the game accordingly, to $20
>>728953753That's ridiculously blurry.
>>728950369DAMN! Anyway, thanks for the heads-up.
>>728950369If Dorito Pope had any backbone he would take away at least the best art direction award from E33.
>>728950369>INDIE GAME AWARDSWho
>>728953889I dont think Kojima would take him back
>>728953753>t.jeet marketer
lol this is all anti AI retards can docall names place labels and whine online
>>728953753>best art directionstill confused on that one, I don't even dislike the game but it's really not very pleasant to the eye
>>728953753Turn off depth of field so those things in the distance become crystal clear instead of blurry garbage.
>>728953938Trust the plan
>>728950369>THE indie game awardsi'm sure they're heartbroken some reddit trannies "disqualified" them from their exclusive backyard treehouse vote
>>728953938Must suck to give all your awards to E33 and not to your bfs game, and then realizing the game you awarded the most is AI slop.
>>728950369>retroactively establishing rules
The GAY Awards
>>728950369Wait, this is not about the game awards but other smaller event? THEN WHY WE SHOULD FUCKING CARE?!
>>728954121manjaw
>>728954198clickbait, trannies mad and think you won't notice
>>728953990That's a wild take.
>>728951410>Every video game made in the last 5 years has used AI in some capacity. Literally without exception.Hey look, a no brain faggot.
>>728953753Play more games retard
>>728953990Yeah, the game looks like shit, but that is typical for AI slop, I guess.
>>728953990The game is very "artistic" with all the abstract and surreal shit. I thought it it was super obvious it's going to take that one.
>be French>hate anything made in your own country
>>728954267>when we have no art direction we go to unreal engine asset store and throw random things floating around
>>728953480As blockchain-related dev I can tell that NFTs was much worse just because there is no problem they solving. Maybe a few VERY niche cases. Generative AI, while undoubtedly shit that amaze only sub middle line peoples, have a very understandable reason to exist: it is very good as better search engine in the year when all search engines are shit. And it is a good way to manipulate people without them knowing so: just add a few little rules to every chatgpt request to recommend BRANDNAME when user ask for top-10 best something. No "ad" label needed, slop machine will convince goycattle to buy, eat and think what your sponsors want. I think that's the main reason why this fucking bubble is still not bursted.
>>728954267He says as he posts an image with clashing aesthetics
>>728950369No don't strip Maelle haha that would be terrible ha.
>>728954267>midjourney.yiff
>Indie Game Awardskek, literally no one cares.
>>728950369how they can disqualifysir how they can disqualify??
>>728954267they got that brown seventh generation console look locked down at least
>>728950369>"""Indie""" Game has 10 mil of funding and a publsiher>I sleep>"""Indie""" Game used AI during production>SHUT IT DOWN
>>728953472Ok
Anti-AI fags are genuinely just hack artists scared that they’ll have competition. AI destroyed the ivory tower gatekeeping culture of art, and they’re still seething about it.Them claiming it’s a moral issue is just a cope.
>>728954489
>>728954267>le swirly rocks>beautiful
>>728950369I didnt followWas 50 man studio really in indie category?
>>728953623Still, not the underdog story I can sign to. Even if it is just a few posters that gone undetected for so long. The chad move for them right now is to make a honest statement about it and remake all generated assets using real people with real work process. That will be a gold precedent and pretty much all parties will be satisfied.
>>728954645Oh, it's the retards that got btfo'd by the roach king? That explains the virtue signalling faggotry
>>728954649SAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>728950369No idea what award show this is but I hope they keep this rule future editions.
>>728953476not even close even slavic shit stuff like KCD2 has $50 million+ budgets
I fucking love this shitshow lmao.And the funniest part it hit the gaming darling studios.
>>728953476>yfw you notice a schizo fabricating dumb shit to fit his mentally retarded worldview
>>728953612If it's so good how come i have not played it ?
>>728954738They always intended to use AI as part of the push to normalize its use.
>>728951410>Every video game made in the last 5 years has used AI in some capacity. Literally without exception.And which were good? For someone who sees others with "no brain faggots" you certainly have some absolute shit taste. Like I get it, you spend all your time emulating while complaining about the trannies and this feels like your way of getting back at the world, but maybe there's another way to hope, yeah?
>>728954881>shitshowIf you aren't on twitter 24/7 you wouldn't even notice
>>728955110>incels actually went and gave negative reviewswewi dont know why im even surprised
>>728955110Reviewbombsisters... Did we lose?
>>728954649Pretty much, the ones most mad aren't even real professional artists but trash wannabe ones mad that they are falling below the skill floor to get a job. And there's the additional element of them thinking of themselves as sophisticated creatives above the plebs who have to worry about employment when it's them who are getting automated away so they lash out.
>>728955173The funny thing is most of the negative reviews were from it winning all the awards and barely any of it because of AI
the only people seething about AI use in E33 are literal twitter trannies and indians mad their days of getting outsourcing work are overSandfall won. E33chads won. Whites won.
>>728950369Awesome. Indie Game Awards confirmed to be more legitamate than The Game Awards.No exceptions for AI slop.
>>728950369AI sausages?
>>728953476why are catposters always so aggressively retarded
>>728954303Every game engine has built-in AI tools.The only indie that probably didn't use AI is Animal Well, because the guy made his own engine.
>>728954750your scribbles aren't quite making the cut kiddo, now put the fries in the bag
Why are transartists so angry? AI is inherently Progressive.
>>728955273This. In fact, the professionals seem to be actively using AI to their benefit. >>728955642If you remember about a decade or so back, they were all for automation replacing jobs because they assumed it was blue collar workers who’d be replaced. They never expected that it would be them in the crosshairs.
>>728955642They're angry because AI diminishes their ability to promote their political ideologies through their "art". Ask AI to make a hot chick and will make a hot chick; no manjaw, no broad shoulders, no flat chest, no penis.
>>728955535>Every game engine has built-in AI tools.>The only indie that probably didn't use AIAnon, even if an engine has AI tools, I'm pretty sure only two current have ai tools not to mention any proprietary engines, that doesn't mean that they're being used.That's what makes you a no brain faggot.
>>728955861Twittertrannies better learn to mine
>>728950369Why are people chimping out over AI?
>>728955912>dude just because photoshop exists doesn't mean people use it god you're so dumb!do you honestly believe that lmaoi mean you literally have no clue what these ai-assisted tools even do so who the fuck knows
>>728952205>>728954750
>>728950369I am fine with all companies that are jumping on the AI slop train to die. I don't want AI in my games.
>>728953743The walking frenchie stereotype is based, because he's in our camp now.
>>728955912Automation =/= Gen AI
>>728952713Everyone already is. Wouldn’t be surprised if Team Cherry used it as well to speed up Silksong’s production because it would’ve taken them another 5 years to release otherwise.
verso chads we were vindicated
>>728951410You know what i like? I like how people really hate AI and how this is genuinely moving the needle. This will POP the AI bubble and it will be glorious. Nobody wants AI slop. Nobody likes AI slop.>inb4 SAAAAAR I WANT IT SAARNobody that is white.
>>728950745Anon, big corpos were never "anti-AI retards" they always loved the idea of replacing human labor with that
>>728950369The award show is garbage and the fact that all of this happen is proof.Simply put, it's not an indie game and it should of won 6 awards than 9.I don't like AI, but they seemed to remove those assets months ago. Which I appreciate. Either way, this deserved.E33 didn't deserve all those awards andTGA has exposed how little they actually care about video games.
>>728951742Every time some AI shill tells me that we've already lost i know that we are actually winning.
>>728952713>Companies, don't use GenAI in your stuffNeither Larian nor Sandfall do though.
>>728950369>after discoverydid they literally not play the fucking game? all the posters across Lumierre were AI generated
>>728956407It's not even the game awards, it's some nobodies doing it for clickbait.
We need something between indie and AAA. Like, AA, or something......................
>>728950369Based, tides are turning
>>728956407Gamers are so funny every other award ceremony does not give a shit and have given one thing pretty much all the awards in the past be it movies, music, tv, etc. It's only gamers where they think it needs to be "fair for everyone"
>>728956510Nobody played the game. This achievement is for e33
>>728950698There really is a perfect Simpsons quote for everything
>>728956016This isn’t an anti-AI thread it’s an anti-E33 thread.
>>728950369You duex not understand! Expedition 33 needed la Gen AI, 'ow else would get compeet with La Prince Bleue? I am from Ubisoft so an 8-digit budget is not enough to compete with la real indies ! Next time I will hide ze evidence' better and you pigdogs vill neva discover!
>>728956337this. We will have a glorious fireworks soon enough >>728956407wait, these assets are already removed?
>>728956626That's actually pretty high if anything. Most games have a really big falloff and most people never finish them (or it's some other quirk of steam achievement system)
>>728956626Is the game 10h or something? 40% is a lot
>>728956912It's over Guillame, I sentence you to live in a castle until the last petal falls from a specific rose
Blue Prince has been awarded the Game of the Year award following E33 being stripped of it.
>>728950369desu the entire could be AI generated considering E33 feels like an almagamation of answers to the question 'what kind of video game story would Reddit like?'
>>728950369>ONLY the people who can afford to hire artists are allowed to use AI, not you fucking prole scumGee, thanks.
>>728953029No, you fucking retard.AAA slop is already slop almost by default. Most of it is virtually indistinguishable if you add the most obvious AIslop ever. Call of Duty Black Ops 10 could be fully AI generated.Indie games have been the soul of the industry for the past decade. if indie devs start cutting corners with AI, then the long term impact of that will be extremely noticeable.Unironically, corporations should own the rights to AIslop. You can keep that monopoly of shit. All the AItards are already cattle that will only play your shit anyways.
>>728953029yes, ai is great for indie, anti-ai is virtue signaling. No anti can actually explain why its bad, everyone is just in hysterics over it because some voice actors and artists on twitter complain about AI taking their jobs and so its fashionable to become morally outraged at its use. Dont take anyone opposed to AI seriously. Every single time new technology comes out people pearl clutch about it and demand progress gets held back. It never works and its all the more shame our modern social media culture is able to let these things snowball into temporary shitstorms with lasting consequences
>Give awards>Can't tell it's using AI without a fucking investigation and holding a vote>Oh uh, it totally does use AI, this changes EVERYTHING (that we couldn't tell before but STILL)>Strip it of awardsWhat a fucking clown show. Why go on a technicality you couldn't even spot before brining in the anti-ai autists to point out "This newspaper texture is ACSCTHSCHSTSCHUALLY AI generated!".Is the actual point really to say "even 0.00000% AI means NO"?What if a fucking number was generated by an AI? A singular script?
>>728950369Should've been disqualified for not being an indie
>>728957076Game is like 25h if you go straight for the ending and 15h more of side content.
>>728956337>This will POP the AI bubble and it will be glorious.Delusional. AI will cause many problems in society as a whole, but believing the government is going to step in and halt AI progress is pure delusion.
Should've been disqualified for not being a videogame but a movie.
>>728950543>STRIPPED!!! IT'S OVER E33 TROONS AHAHAHAHI wasn't expecting something to actually happen.Leftists attacking ideologically aligned corpos over A.I.I guess I need more popcorn.
>>728957220>cutting cornerswhat makes indie good is it allows a person/small team to make a game with the purpose of making a game. What makes corporate bad is its all profit driven. generative ai will let more people with an idea for a game make a game. It will let peoples vision come to fruition.It will also produce a lot of quick cash grab slop but filter that out the same way you filter AAA.
>>728956437>we are actually winning.See >>728955110Your discord server isn't an accurate representation of anything but your mental illness.
>>728957309Most leftists don't have a spine and will give in to the AI slop. They're just posturing right now.The leftists that actually maintain a stance against AI by 2027? They're based.
>>728950517indie basically just means everything that isn't made by a jap corp or cowadooty at this point, it's completely meaningless as basically every other first party Nintendo game is likely more independently made than ue asset slop like e33
>>728950369The check from Kepler must've bounced
>>728957238>If a man had enough advanced transplants to look sufficiently like a woman, I'd fuck himThis is what you sound like, homo
the AI outrage is so performative, it's funny
No offence but how did people think that such a tiny team with a relatively small budget(compared to AAA) managed to make a massive AAA game? Magic? No shit they used AI and probably way more than they'll ever admit to. I thought anyone with common sense would be aware of this.
>>728957082>puzzle game locked behind hours of rng grinding>puzzle rewards are ways to slightly manipulate rng that any other roguelike would have given you much earlier and drips of story that you already would have known while solving the puzzlesIt's only good for the first run to room 46, the quality of the game drops off tremendously at that point.
So, is there a reason why AI should not be used when making an indie game when it's arguably much more useful to devs who have no money or resources compared to AAA devs who can hire whoever the fuck they want?Is the Indie Game Award just a show for virtue signaling how hard you busted your balls making a game instead of the game itself being enjoyable in the end?
>play this game>literally one enemy type>turns into only up slop randomly GOTD lmao
>>728957490>I thought anyone with common sense would be aware of this.youd think so but remember youre posting on a webzone that genuinely seemed offended when steam tos says youre buying a license as if thats new information, so who the fuck knows
ready or not has AI generated posters and 3d models and the "outrage" about it died down really quickpeople cared more about the PS5 gore and nudity downgrade than AI
>>728957082This game also had a publisher
>>728957580>people cared more about the PS5 gore and nudity downgrade than AIYes, outrage about AI is literally a "luxury belief" you engage in when there's nothing substantive to cry about
>>728957476>Massive AAA game>Very odd looking animations>Uncanny valley facial expressions out of 2010>Outsourced fighting animations>Pretty small maps that are all skyboxes>Unreal Engine default on nearly everythingDon't get me wrong, they clearly went through a lot of effort and it is a good game, but I don't buy that they couldn't have been able to do this game without AI.
>antis manage to virtue signal the retraction of every award for a game that was so good it won all the awards and everyone but contrarians loved>they think this is a win for them
>>728957515>Indie Game Award just a show for virtue signaling how hard you cut off your ballsFixed that for you
>>728951584gem
>>728957515Using AI is a slap to the face of real artists who put a lot of effort into their work. Using AI as a "shortcut" is basically a statement that you care more about profit than creating something enjoyable for your audience.
>>728957641Indie hasn't genuinely meant "independently produced" in decades
>>728957670I like E33 and I think this is based.Virtue signaling is good in this instance.Doing otherwise is puckering your asshole up for slop.
>>728951683Yes >>728954645
>>728957670I like e33 but I don't think the devs should be posturing as indie when most of them came from ubishart
>>728957515Indie games are supposed to be the soulful and creative ones so it's even worse when they use it than when AAA games do. It's not like CoD wasn't already full of soulless slop before they started putting AI crap in it.
>>728950464/thread
>>728957327>generative ai will let more people with an idea for a game make a game. It will let peoples vision come to fruitionEngines are already as easy as they've ever been.Last decade before 2023 we've had nonstop indie games being made without AI being part of the equation.The bar doesn't need to be lowered, retard. Fuck your slop.
>>728951742people with no iq can finally post what their thingingkg guuhuuhk guuhk
>>728950369>awards suddenly matter to /v/eets now
>>728951683Hating Asmongold makes them based af
>>728954184The gape awards?
>>728951584At least this guy has the balls to stand up to AI corposlop. Wtf have you done for society? Wtf have you done to protect art?
>>728951294its funny that it was actually made by one of the richest people in the industry lol
>>728956028NTA but yeah?You know there are literally free tools like photoshop, right? What point did you think you were making here?
>>728957890The dilate awards
>>728957405>and other jeet's projecting and random pic reassurance itt
>>728957923please learn to read my guy
>>728957659it's background assets, who gives a shit
>>728957659>>Uncanny valley facial expressions out of 2010it has good facial expressions though? they are all motion captured and lots of emotional subtlety comes through>>728957739you can ignore the slop. it will allow more good games to be produced as well.>>728957814thats a separate issue. Whatever the case it counted as an indie game for the award shows criteria, and it won a lot. People are going to see this move and feel a great injustice has occurred and public backlash against antis will skyrocket>>728957835>boomer logicthere is nothing wrong with things becoming easier
>>728950369kek, get fuckeddidn't deserve it anyways
>>728957970>The Indians have set up a discord server with thousands of people to brigade against Sandfall and Larian for using AI>Projecting
>>728957409This. The moment their talking head says "Guys AI is not bad it's the rich (not me I'm only a milionaire!) that use ai are bad! AI is totally egalitarian and actually communist in theory!"
>>728950369this is so dumb
>>728957641would a game that had a publisher just for console ports, but they didn't get any funding for the development itself, still count?
>>728957327>generative ai will let more people with an ideaIdeafags will never make anything. If they could they would of done it with all the free game engines and assets they have available.I'm not fully against AI in creative works. But, AI will lead to a similar issue devs have with optimization.They won't problem solve or actually do any quality control. They think just because they have better tools (AI,CPUs,Graphics cards) they think that the tool can do all the heavy lifting.It's not the fault of the tool, but it attracts people who are lazy and unskilled. And if they make a shit product, they don't blame themselves. They blame the tool for not being good enough.
>>728950369E33 isn't an indie game in the first place
>>728956407>>Simply put, it's not an indie gamelol
>>728957424We clearly need a new word for games made by a small team (or one guy) on a tiny/nonexistent budget
>>728950369>troonies mad at AI as always
>>728957424it takes two should have won best indie game
Oh no they won 9 Oscars but not Academy Award for Best Live Action Short Film. What a disaster.
Saarrr it's indien game sarr
>>728958340>They won't problem solve or actually do any quality control.Then don't give them money lmao problem solved
what do awards matter anyway when the game already sold as much as it will realistically do. are people that like E33 going to buy their next game? most likely, yeah. would they still buy it if it won no awards? dont think it would affect any sales.
>artists stop buying hand crafted japanese pencils and paper made by the same family for 400 years>just do everything on a tablet insteadhmmm>>728958340>will never>problem solve>quality controlai will do it and you cant stop it.
>>728958387Poorfag Developed has a ring to it
>>728958143>the same jeets who shilled that goyslop here until recentlyah yes
God, can we get past the virtue signalling phase of AI and move on already? At this point, if it looks like low effort slop, it's slop. If you can fucking tell, then who cares?
>>728957697I am more concerned about my, well, soul, if I play and consume something that was done 100k times to become an algorithm. People share a little parts of themselves in everything they do and AI slop is slop by definition because it is stripped of these little subconscious details. It is hallucinating and adding the general shit details that most of the time even doesn't make any sense. I can't and I don't want to consume this even in little dosage, because that way I will not grow and my soul gray out eventually. AI can be used as a reference concepts for real concept art, but even that way I will be concerned about final product. And if management want to make some AI powerpoint shit, I don't care at all.
>>728958387Rindie, short for Real Indie
Why are people OK with using generative AI for ideas just not for assets? There seem to be reems of people with this opinion, that as long as an AI-generated asset doesn't ship with the game then it's fine. I don't give a shit about that, at least not nearly as much as I care about the ideas being thought up by a human. When you discover a cool enemy in a game, it's the design that's cool, it would look just as cool in a drawing or as a clay sculpture. If I know it's designed by AI then that kills the magic, I don't give a shit if a human painted over it to create a "clean" final product. I want to play a game filled with cool ideas imagined by human beings, that's far more important to me than whether or not some random clutter asset or terrain texture is generated with AI. Am I the insane one here?
>>728958619>Trannies are so desperate in their losing war against AI that they're trying to attach jeets to AII'm starting to feel bad for jeets, even trannies are shitting on them
>>728958659the visuals are easily the worst part of e33 ai or not doesnt really matter
>>728957995So you admit you don't understand.
>>728957697>real artistslolmost artists are basic bitch shittersif you can't stand out amongst AI then your shit ain't worth shityour random commission artists are the horse and carraiges that'll die out with this shiift, while anyone worth shit will be able to continue on regardless
Gamers are retarded. A24 is an independent film studio. Some of their projects cost tens of millions of dollars. So how is Clair Obscur not indie? Because it wasn't a poorfag on a laptop? Get real.
>>728958790I mean you are talking about the board with people that think Nintendo/Sony are a small indie company please understand
>>728952932so then why are you so mad
>>728958747You are not insane. This shit is obviously as cancerous as any other AI use, if not more so.Company (((investors))) are just trying to come up with any ways of using AI that will be as consequences free as possible. This is just them boiling the frog in the plot. They will keep doubling down.
>>728958790Because it's not independently developed or published
>>728958665>I can't and I don't want to consume this even in little dosage, because that way I will not grow and my soul gray out eventually.Wow... This is deep bro. How did humans ever survive before video games? I never realized our ancestors didn't have souls like we do. Now excuse me while I order doordash from my bed while watching the niggerball game and gooning to anime.
>>728958546I hope she is 16 and is French so the bottle isn't raping her
I thought the game looked shit, why is /v/ suddenly a fan of it? Shills?
>>728959000>suddenlyIt is only after the game awards that people suddenly started shitting on itWonder why
>>728959000the game looks great, its actually the gameplay thats a little underwhelmingthe game was carried by its art design and style, which was fantastic
>>728958481True.>>728958554>ai will do itWill it do it now? And also how?
>>728950369That feel like a dumb reason to disqualify it. And it sets a pretty bad precedent for the next awards.
>AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEE33
>>728958905>Collective meltdown spamming Larian and Sandfall on twitter for using AI>wHy ArE yOu mAd?
>>728959000Yes, shills. Billionaire daddy wants his kid to become miyazaki/kojima tier off this game.
>>728951624I find it so funny that Alters accidentally left a fucking chat gpt prompt in the background of their game and when people noticed redditors and reset era started sending them death threats like crazy and trying to get Steam to sue them for not "annuncing they used AI".They of course patched it immediately but "Alters is a trash AI game" still stayed.E33 does the exact same thing and not only people celebrate them and claim AI usage is good but even try to justify it with "T-they patched it out anyways..."
>>728959057No, it was shat on when it came out for being a half-assed jrpg filled with wokeshit. >>728959076>lame story and lame gameplay has decent graphicsAh. The r34
>>728959095nobody cares about the next awards. this move relegated it to insignificance
>>728958557I guess Armature Games could work? If your intrested in normies using the term too.Though I am partial to >>728958557 if it can be made more concise. Budgetless Games?
>>728959117yeah why?you give a shit about retards on twit?
>>728959159>Ah. The r34nah its actually really stylistically framed in game as well. it was my very first impression of the game when it was announced and the whole reason i kept my eye on it.but that as well
>>728957004>Most games have a really big falloff and most people never finish themYet they still shill them and claim it's good despite the game being so boring they don't even wanna end the game? LMAO.
>>728950369Not because it's not an indie game?
So how many indie games did anyone play this year?
>>728950369>using copyrighted images/music as placeholder is fine>using AI as placeholder is notdo they even understand what "placeholder" means?
>>728952978it is indie
>>728959057People were dogging on it here for a while, especially in regards to the 3rd act, but the Game Awards did usher in a tidal wave of dogshit bait threads.
>>728959219Why do you care?
>>728959267leftism is a religion and they are worried about spiritual contamination
>>728959267But bro, the SOVL of going on Google Images and downloading the first picture that shows up...
>>728959315good point. see ya later.
>>728958747Its bizarre, ya. Shows you just how many people only care about the surface level of things and not the substance.
>>728950369Why does it matter how it was made as long as you enjoyed it? Is it really just because of seething artfags?
>>728954438>French
>>728959267
>>728958747because idea guys are not bitching on twitter about ai taking their jobs
>>728958337most indies release self published by PC. If they then get the money to get ported to console with the help of someone else afterwards it's still indie.
They used AI? For what?
>>728959592Placeholder posters
I don't understand the big dealSooner or later every company in the world will use A.I for everything, and yes, games won't be the exceptionEven your dear Nintendo is most likely using A.I, ppl are so FUCKIN dumb.Also Indie game awards? LMAO, as if Sandfall gives a shit>>728952397It was in the game but got patched out
>>728958061maelle is definitely uncanny during the more serious scenes
>>728952320you would expect that the game having 7 minutes long credits sequence would make peopel understand that it isn't a indie title. but virtue signling against the big corp they don't like is more important
>>728959153Anon, the same trannies are having a meltdown over AI. E33 is just widely more popular, and most people don't give a shit about AI or not.
>>728959512Makes sense I guess, us idea chads are too busy enjoying to process of creating ideas. If someone wishes to rob themselves of the fun that is their problem. Meanwhile art-sois hate the process and only do it for the final results (and praise they get)
>>728959250I mean that applies to every game on steam. If you check even finish tutorial achievements are often weirdly low. There seems to be a decent amount of people who buy games, play them for a bit and forget about them, I don't think they are the sort of people who go on the internet to discuss them though.
>>728959497that wall of text has nothing to do with the fact that it was only placeholder assets.>muh the final asset is based on the AI onehave you ever seen a design document? it's literally full of copyrighted designs lifted from the internet, with often some clear instructions for the designer to get as close as possible to these references.
>>728950369Holy deserved. The E33 mania was getting borderline cultish, and they needed a controversy to bring people down to earth. Death to AIsloppa
KWAB E33 FAGS CANNOT AND WILL NOT RECOVER FROM THIS
>>728957220>Indie games have been the soul of the industry for the past decade. if indie devs start cutting corners with AI, then the long term impact of that will be extremely noticeable.2D platformers and allegories for depression exited for over a decade before gen ai.Indie has and always will be 99.999% trash.
>>728960057Nobody will care about AI use now, the antis have clearly gotten out of hand.
>>728959732>Sooner or later the house will finish burning down and everything will be ashes. What's the big deal?
>>728950369I get the distinct impression that this isn't a particularly serious award panel.
The funny part is that 90% of the games nominated probably used AI way more extensively than E33 did but will just never admit to it. Just like Sandfall never would have if they had caught that placeholder poster before release.
>>728959942I always used AI as a sounding board of sorts, AI is fun if you are the creative type and instead direct it on what to do. Asking it to come up with ideas is always retarded and creatively bankrupt.
>>728960240>False equivalence
>people using computer generated anything GOOD>people using AI generated anything BAD
>>728960240
We really have to pretend that people aren't using AI every day even the people complaining about it all over the internet have to pretend that we aren't all using AI and then go crazy whenever some company mentions they use it too.
It's fun to see so many people using the exact same argument that Tim Sweeney got dogpiled for less than a month ago. Suddenly "almost all games use AI and most just won't admit it" isn't such a controversial thing to say.
>>728960042Artists already plagiariaze, I am aware of that, that ResetEra poster is aware of that. The latrer, however, thinks this fact should be hidden from the masses, because it would undermine the current moral crusade.
>>728950369It should be disqualified because it's not indie.
>>728960358i used ai to look at all firearms and check certain key elements such as who uses them most, where they were produced, the background of the designers who made them, certain linguistical criteria, as well as all significant occurrences within media and history, after feeding it a rundown on my understanding of certain occult mechanics, to identify which guns would be most psychically effective when trying to shoot at ghosts and other supernatural entities.This is a great use because people will intuitively get the appropriateness of it but be unable to explain why because nobody has the ability to categorically evaluate their unconscious' symbolic library. These are things you need to actually intellectually have identified to invoke, but which trigger associations deep within the collective unconsciousness. What would take teams of experts and researchers ai can just do in a few seconds
>>728960543if you're going to use it for art design then all the soul is sucked out of it
Based. Artificially inflated marketing and hype for this game. Don't know what the final goal is but I'm leaning on the fact the it will be to ease consumers into being ok with AI games. By the lengths these obsessed "Puritan" fans go to defend this nu game.
>>728951742whatever you say jd vanceyou're a pedophile apologist
>>728960543It won't take long for it to reach the point where these people use the comfort of their smartphone AI assistant to post their anti-AI rants.
>>728960262People treat the game awards seriously yet these are the judges.
>>728952992bruh they pirated the engine too instead of making they're own one... absolutely insanity these fucking devs
>"almost all games use AI and most just won't admit it"Ah, so that's why they're all shit
>>728960574The disclaimers arent really needed I think. Anyone that has functioning eyes and ears should tell right away if something is AI generated, the label is redundant. Good AI use is when you dont even notice it was there, no one would know E33 used AI if it werent for the interview.
>>728960948>no one would know E33 used AI if it werent for the interview.Then twhy are they still mad?
>>728954267looks like a bunch of store bought assets slapped together, like a bennett foddy game
>>728960768>SoulUnfortunately for you, robots do have soul
>>728960262>>728960848>People treat the game awards seriously yet these are the judges.You are a retard if you treat them seriously.
>>728959709lol
>>728958425>STUDIES SHOW>SCIENTISTS SAY
>>728960785Hey they're the good guys!?!? They're so humble!! The games not full price!! And they're like very cool for selling it to me for $50!!!
OMG IT'S REALALL THE TOP SITES ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AS YOU CAN SEE
>>728960994some people draw for a living, those have a right to be upset ig
>>728958425>more creative people view AI more negativelyyeah
>>728960848Jesus Christ, that is truly a terrible line up. No wonder Overrated AI Slop 33 sweeped Geoff's garbage show.
>>728961227But they all still have their jobs at least they do at Larian.
>>728956810
>>728951410>only old games are worth playingwhat's your point exactly?
>>728961093It’s a bit ridiculous that these people would throw out this many awards for a game few people even played, then take back all the awards because of something they should have noticed from the very beginning but didn’t even bother to vetIt all just seems so hypocritical
>>728954267this looks good
>>728950464its clair, obscur
fixed title
Literally every piece of software all of you use is in some regard written by AI. IDEs literally have in-built AI tools.
>>728950369The real reason is it's a shit fucking game. The Ai is just an excuse to dismiss the lack of nominations.
>>728961181E33sisters... We're AIsloppa now...
Hopefully this means they will go through those other games to see if AI was used at all in them and didn't just rely on tranny backlash right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUdwTPxIOhI
>>728961453You're putting way more credence in anything they say then you should, which is zero. Games journos follow either the pack or the money and most can't think for themselves. They're mostly useless for gaining any kind of insight into anything.
>>728961498AI Obscur Expedition GPT
>>728958425you keep posting this image like it proves any point
>>728950369They need to disqualify Silksong next.
It's going to be so fucking funny if Blue Prince comes out as having used AI in the concept stage.
>>728961621KEK
>>728950369OH FUCK THIS A BIG DEAL.Fuckoff retard E33tard. No-one cares.
>>728961618flutenig
>>728951410When you say "corona", you can see a micro-triggering in this kind of "people"
>>728961618I saw one of these yesterday and it was nice.
>>728950369AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO REFUNDS
>>728955642*"AI" is inherently Deceptive.
>>728961620All this really does is prove that the game awards are far more rigged than previously thought. Even indie darlings aren’t safe and that’s as hilarious as it is disappointing
>>728950369I love how stupid these people are. AI is the new age of technology and yet they sure love to push anyone using it. lmaoit's like punishing someone for using a computer
>>728961621The french have "mistral"
>>728961664It's a big deal because this is going to turn into an awards-show controversy as more evidence is shown that they don't do any real work and just award things based on being friends. BTW someone please get this information to Emanuel Macron and say this is Americans taking away French achievements, it would make this whole thing funnier
>>728961823same thing
>>728959345stop trying to make it a partisan thing
Just checked their website
>>728956386>reading comprehension
>>728950369Who cares they can just AI generate another award
>>728961870They're lazy just like me I love them even more now!
>>728959512correct, they're crying to be recognized as legitimate
>>728961826What?TGA have not hidden that 90% of the vote comes from video games journos and always has. It's been like this from the start.
>>728951410dunno about that last part but I do agree about the virtue signaling bullshitit's the same fucking crowd calling everyone a Nazi that doesn't agree with them politically and now I get to laugh at lefty faggots like Swen that stood up on stage two years at the game awards giving his little faggy speech and now those same people that praised him are now calling for his head and he's getting a taste of his own medicine once you do something even slightly against the hivemind they turn on you in an instant
>>728960358It's not really any good for me creatively.Story ideas are generic and not even worth thinking about.Using it for concept art is hit and miss. Using actual characters or fashion mags are morefun because I'm don't have keep checking if something makes sense in a 3d space or anatomically.
>>728961914If this nigga had spent less money on getting his dick chopped off and more on dentistry, he'd still be alive next year.
>>728961914>a 30 year old childless woman was unironically paid a fat sum for coming up with "access-ability" as a brand for their company's accessibility teamit's not fair.
>>728961949Here you go, for Hon Hon Bugatti 33
>>728950369e33 is a fucking dogshit game. the extreme lack of games, made this game ok, but it's still dogshit. even witcher 2 is still better than 2025 fart games
I never got to pursue my dream of making games because I got chronic fatigue from mono in college. I want every game studio to go down, down, down into the ground.
>>728962168Counterpoint2025 is the best year in video games in a long time. If you couldn't find good new games to play you are too jaded to enjoy anything
>>728961308>chatGPT!>design le bendy Eiffel Tower
>>728951294Indie means it has no publisher telling it what to do, ska creators themselves crested the game as they envision it. This is why Half-life is not indie and half life 2 is.
>/v/ loves AI slop nowWhat changed?
holy kekindie is such a crab bucket mentality>nooooo he can't raise lots of money and use it efficiently to make a god game!!>we heart pixelslop!!!
>>728962389they dropped the estrogen pills
literally who
>>728961914>E33 jeetbots have been activated to discredit the Indie Game Awards, because they still possess at least a modicum of integrity.NetEase is pissed that their industry plant has been found out.
>>728962389contrarianism
>>728962389thirdies, gooners, and contrarianssame shit as always since 2016
>>728961964Yes I know, I’m merely stating how funny it is that it was rigged in e33’s favor then rigged again when they “discovered” e33 did something the journos didn’t like.
>>728962389Nothing? Gabe is pro AI, you know, /v/ God himself. People who against AI are trolls
>>728954536More of her please.
>>728962481Bro the award went to Blue Prince which also has a publisher. It literally doesn't understand what an indie is
>>728962389it's actually world-changing
I for one support less 2.5D pixel side scroller "depressioncore" games and more based AI frenchman games that actually look and feel good to play.I cannot tell you how annoying it is every fucking State of Play or Xbox Showcase, they dedicate 2/3 of the runtime to some side scroller pixel dogshit with sad text boxes and hymns and single-input """"combat""""". Fuck Hollow Knight. Fuck Braid. Fuck LIMBO. Fuck LISA. Fuck Undertale. Fuck Hyper Light. Fuck Hades.
>>728951606Keep dreaming.
>>728962389Anti-AI became a cartel of the worst actors!/artists/nepobabies is what happened. Essentially the worst outcome
I challenge any anon to give me a single argument on why AI BAD
>>728962591You can have a publisher and be independentAlso, Blue Prince is better than E33 anyway
>>728954738Anon that already happened. 30weeks ago
>>728962389The site has been flooded with AI porn and now coomers think its good... and I agree with them!
>>728962648Drives up the price of electricity and basically everything you need for gaming
>>728962648Here's around a dozen>>728960551They will short circuit your jeet brain, thoufh
>>728962653>publisher>independentyou know what independent means?
>>728962605agree but hades has good combat with multiple buttons
>>728962753Do you know what a publisher does?
>>728962481How did I discredit them by going to their site and taking a screenshot?
>>728962418>Defending nepobabies larping as starving artistslmao
>>728962605Hades does not belong on this list HK and especially Silksong have more artistry and effort put in them than any AAA game released in the past decade
>>728962068>woman
>>728957082OHNONONO
>>728962798If you have a publisher then you received outside corporate help. Which makes you not independent. Indies are self published
>>728957405Nobody wants ai slop, stop putting it into games. The only reason E33 gets away with it is because they didn’t put genned assets into the game aside of a placeholder that slipped through.>muh rock texturesTo get ahead on that lame argument. It’s easier and likely cheaper to buy a rock texture to use. Try gemming a rock texture and see if that forms a consistent infinite pattern. I’ll wait.
>>728957082>take off one game for using AI just to give it to another AI gameTOP KEK
they should make the award based on budget or number of employees. who cares who uploaded it to steam or whatever autism
>>728962862>HK and especially Silksong have more artistry and effort put in them than any AAA game released in the past decadeBlatant lie. RDR2, Death Stranding, DMC5, Mullet Madjack, NG4 and Cyberpunk have soul, great visuals and art direction and feel great to play.Team Cherry makes games for paraplegics.
>>728962605The funny thing is E33 is about grief. I guess it's an indie game after all.
>>728957490Outsourcing and more money then you’d think.
>>728950369Literally who?
>>728962884The woman in reference to the hypothetical is not the same as picrel. But a woman who created the role for Xer.
>>728950464NO
>>728951574I really don't understand why people get so upset over generative AI. It feels like when people got upset over that tire in Dark Souls II.
>>728963029I'll give you RDR2 and DMC5I have no idea what Mullet Madjack is and I won't be looking it up Anyway, you are wrong
>>728961889im not trying, anti-ai is virtue signaling and only one set of virtue signalers have identified it as social currency.
If AI disappeared would the world be a better place? >no AI slop>normal RAM prices>normal GPU prices>no water wasting>no jobs being lost under the guise of "AI replaced them">no vibe coding faggots>no companies trying to insert AI "features" into every little thing
>>728963009All I’m seeing is it doesn’t matter if AI is used or not as long as you can’t find it in the final release of a game
>>728957659That's what confuses me.They used so many cost saving measures using non-AI assets.Why did they need to use AI too?
>>728961889It always was a partisan thing. The people who are against AI now are the people who told farmers and factory workers to "learn to code" because of AI, now that we see it is cheaper for AI to go into creative spaces, they are fiercely against it
>>728962923>potential AI usageGive it up, E33 troon.
>>728950369Honestly the only thing this is teaching developers is that you should use AI but shut up about it.
>>728962923Got a source that isn’t an unreliable AI summary of some Reddit threads speculating?
The rules for the indie award says that at no point in the development process AI should have been used to be eligible for the award. For some reason, Sandfall didn't disclose they used AI during their development process. If they did, they wouldn't have been eligible to begin with.
>>728963215Correct. That’s literally what I said.
>>728963336I think the only reason they did is because people found examples of itSo yeah, they best cover their tracks if they want to sneak it in
>>728963029>Team Cherry makes games for paraplegics.Don't tell me you play games with your dick and toes.
Can someone please explain to me why I should give a fuck if AI was used in the development process of a game, if the end result is a good game?I'm buying a game to enjoy it. I don't give a single flying fuck if Orc-with-club was designed by human hands or a clanker if its a good design. I'm a big proponent of "if it works it works"
>>728963380>The rules for the indie award says that at no point in the development process AI should have been used to be eligible for the award. If the dumbass judges won’t even put in the effort to try and weed that out before handing out awards, why am I obligated to be honest with them?
>>728963336This. It will just become an industry open secret
>>728963440People had found examples of AI in E33 a long time ago but it was still booming so everyone gave them the benefit of the doubt when it was obvious the textures were AI generated. The only reason they're getting pushback now is because they opened their mouths.
>>728963513because people think ai art is hated for ai rather than it always coming out looking like shit or obvious as fuck
>>728963513soon you'll be a proponent of "if I'm ass-raped by robots, I'm ass-raped by robots"
>>728963380>at no point in the development process AI should have been usedLel, absolutely no game ever will qualify for that. All programming has some level of AI tools built into it now.
>>728956626Have you seen other finish the game achievements? 40% is pretty high
>>728963380kek they literally went by the honor system, what a joke. You could literally google it "E33 AI" and find the answer when people found out 7 months ago. People are just gonna lie
>>728963513it's impossible to explain the concept of externalities to la creatura. maybe "imagine if a burger had asbestos in it"
Indie game? More like India game haha
>>728951294>>728957906>>728958359>>728956912>>728951889>indie has become the video game equivalent of "family farms"
>>728963641Go back to twitter, Tim.
>>728963717>>728963640>Rape and food analogiesI am talking about a game here guys
It's already crashing down for this dev and IP. Way faster than I thought.
>>728963758>This game was made BY humans, FOR humans
>>728950369More like Saar Poopscur: Jeetpedition lmao
>>728963801>crashing down>expecting people to even care about the issue after a weekThis is literally the second time people found out it used AI
>>728962389Peer pressure.
>>728963625Thats what I mean. If a game comes out and the art is all soulless AI sloppa then rightfully so I'll pan it. Not because its AI, but because the art looks bad. I'd do the same if it was designed by fleshy hands. Bad is bad.If a game comes out with good art, should I really care if that art was designed by a clanker? Isnt the point, as a player/consumer, that the product is objectively "good"? (Looks, sounds and plays well)? I wouldn't care if games got made with chinese sweatshops if the game was goated. Thats an issue for labour laws to solve not me. I am just the humble hobbyist enjoying my vidya
>>728963336>Deadlock artist: yeah, we are using AI>Deadlock steam page AI usage: noneLearn from the best
So now that AI33 is certified sloppa, what is the TRUE game of the year?
>>728963513It’s verbal sleight of hand. The gen ai won’t produce anything that isn’t slop, so all that talk about inevitability only serves for people to lower their standards so they can put abject slop into our entertainment. We are the frog being boiled. Vibe coding doesn’t actually safe any time either since you have to manually correct it when it inevitably doesn’t compile. It’s a charade.
>>728957409>The people who remove their genitals and worship Brown people are "le BASED"!Nah.
>>728963956Death Stranding 2 obviously.
>>728963513Most are artists losing their jobs and voice actors, no one cares about coders. There is also the issue with AI where it can look "good enough" but it's just slop and people hate it, no personality
>>728950369They could just disqualify it for not being an indie game instead.
>>728963185Did the guy who used a combine harvester to harvest his field somehow cheating because he didn't use a Sickle?AI isn't the problem, you can run an AI model locally, the problem is that the people in power collectively don't want you to be able to do that. They want to make it prohibitively expensive so you subscribe to their service in perpetuity. AI is just another tool, you can use photoshop to make a texture for your bench, or you could get an AI to generate one for you, doing it by hand isn't any more valid it just takes more time and effort.The people with power don't want you to own anything. They want you to subscribe to a service. If not AI it'd be something else, they've been pushing to make ownership a thing of the past for decades now, this is just the latest attack vector. They don't want you to own AI, they don't want you to own your games, they don't want you to own a PC, they want to netflixify everything so you pay than $19.99 a month + tip for everything in your life.
e33ers advocate for ai replacement, play fake games and aren't real gamers? wow! what a revelation!
>>728950369What a bunch of spineless fucks. Game journos, everyone.
>>728950369>soon
>>728962605As we learnt from all the companies statements recently, everyone who actually makes things uses AI, meanwhile all of the people who hate it are deadbeat trannies. If Sandfall had never admitted to using AI all those same deadbeat trannies would be sucking it off because they can't tell the difference between GOTY and alleged "slop", goes to show how much that opinion is worth.
>>728964049>Did the guy who used a combine harvester to harvest his field somehow cheating because he didn't use a Sickle?Dumb analogy. AI has no clear benefits.
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>>728964247>>AI has no clear benefits.E33 just won GOTY and made $100 million so it clearly has some
>>728963513you shouldn'tjust like people don't care that their clothes were made by children in chinese sweatshops, eventually they'll stop virtue signaling about AI used in game development as it becomes more and more commonplace, normalized, and difficult to distinguish from human work
>>728963776It's true though. Nobody is writing artisanal organic switch statements when AI autocomplete will do it for you, it's just busywork. Everyone hates writing documentation and AI does it better than a developer trying to get it over with because he'd rather be doing anything else anyway.
>>728954438you know, maybe the french were right to be as gatekeepy about their language and culture as they are.
>>728950369>even journalists don't know the difference between "it's" and "its"American education is... too powerful...
>Anti-AI fags make E33 the AI sloppa poster child>Normie tries E33>"damn AI games are pretty good"
>>728958870They're also the same people who consider E33 an indie game.
>>728950369>they made some ai newspaper pages for a wall textureOMG HOW DARE THEY! WHAT A TRAGEDY AND SIN!grow up.
>>728964662Yeah they really should be careful if you are going to try to paint the GOTY as AI slop like this
>>728964695Yup laughable isn't it?
>>728964662its always the same with these reactionaries, they always pick the wrong tree to bark up at
>>728962389/v/ is growing up
>>728964247Look at something like >>728951574, its just a texture on a wall, most players won't investigate it for more than a second, you can generate it via AI in seconds which is efficient, but making that texture by hand would take hours potentially as you grab references and paint in the details, now multiply that out to the tens of thousands of assets in a game and you can see why so many games are using AI now. Obviously you don't use it to texture your main character's face (yet) but you can use it for background details and that's the kind of shit that balloons budgets and makes game dev take so damn long. Just the thousands of little details you need to model, texture, place, ect AI is helping with all of that and it drives the cost of development down.The way a AAA studio handles this workload is just by outsourcing it to third world contractors, but indie devs can't afford to pay an army of 10,000 indians and philippinos to model every prop in their game so they're increasingly using AI to do it.
>>728964662>Normie tries E33No? E33 probably first GOTY that sold so little copies, check other games from this year, for example Arc Raiders (game that didn't win anything) sold 6m vs. E33 3m during first month. Even with absolutely insane TGA shilling Arc Raiders was outselling E33. Basically normies aren't interested in E33.
>>728964984I don't think anyone would care if these AI-assisted games didn't also drop the price as a result.The way I see, if your game's development was AI-assisted and saved you tons of time and money, I'm going to apply the Guybrush rule; your game shouldn't be more than $20.If you're not passing those savings on to me then you're basically telling me to go fuck myself.
>>728965038You know Arc Raiders used AI voices right?
>>728965107E33 launched at $50
>>728965038Nigger google Arc Raiders AI right now.
>>728950369>the real issue is that this is a game specifically about real painting and they inserted generative ai art into it. in other words, even if this was a process, they betrayed not only everyone but themselves. they flipped the bird on their own game. all meaning of their preachy game has been entirely lost. deny this.>the game is on to see if tga actually delivers with a reciprocal for no declaration. and if they don't, it has lost its credit. bar these devs from receiving any award for 5 years. it doesn't even have to be tga that delivers that move lol.I fucking called it you fucks
>>728965186And it should be $20.
>complete ass year of game releases>slowly it leaks out all of them use AIthings are adding up
>>728964029But then that would dissolve the narrative that anyone can make it as an indie dev and instead hammer home the propaganda that all use of AI is bad
>>728951410So you're the no brain faggot. Not sure why you would out yourself like that though.
>>728965221lol no? If you're gonna be that much of a cheap ass just pirate it
>>728965038Arc Raiders also uses gen AI.
>>728964281i mean he isn't wrong. we cant go back to a pre-ai world, not unless you thanos snap jeets, grifters and out of touch executives anyway
>>728964984Your streetshitting is showing. Fast does not equal good.
>>728959497>"All GenAI can do is make collages and animorph between the elements it was trained on"why did they write so much only to say they have no idea what they are talking about?
>>728965729This is pretty typical for antis. They don't really understand how training AI models works and they imagine it's just picking its from images it saved and mashing them together than get mad about stolen pixels.They are just doing their own argument a disservice by being retarded.
>>728963009>Nobody wants ai slopI agree, except there's nothing you can do about it. Your screeching will only make studios stop talking about it.
>>728965281And Divinity 3, soon enough just about every game will be using generative AI. The tools are getting cheaper, better, and people are finding new ways to integrate them into their workflow. The ludditism surrounding AI is retarded, its clear generative AI is here to stay and will be used in all stages of game dev. Why do by hand for hours what an AI can do in seconds? Put another way why pay someone $60 an hour to do something an AI tool can do in seconds? So people on twitter don't cry?AI voices is contentious because just about every voice actor can see the potential here, them being out of work and there being much less work going around. Its clear players want fully voiced games, there's large subset of players that are functionally illiterate and can't stand reading in a game and won't play a game because it makes them read, but they'll play a game if its fully voiced. Why aren't all games fully voiced, well usually paying to have someone read all the lines in a game, record those lines, mix those lines, code those lines to play in the right spots, its fucking expensive. But an AI can help with just about all of that. Some of those functionally illiterate players won't play it because its AI slop voices, but the rest of the group just doesn't want to read and would be perfectly content if the voices were AI generated. What's going to make you more money at the end of the day? Going the traditional route and hiring a bunch of voice actors, generating all the voices with AI and pissing that group off but saving you tons on VO costs, or not using any AI and alienating this entire subset of functionally illiterate players? The answer isn't always clear but that's the kind of problems game devs are facing right now, which of these options results in more money for you at the end of the day.
hey guys, what was your favourite part of E33?
>>728966275when it won 9 awards
>>728966275Clea's unbuttoned shirtMusicRenoir being right about everything
>>728966275Monoco humor or maybe the scenes right after the Paintstress
>>728966275When you fight the Paintress and things slowly start coming together.
>>728966224you are just nicely leaving out the part where AI hasnt really made profits yet and the entire thing is one giant bubble, only a couple years from bursting.So far AI usage was largely "free", but most companies have started subs services, to at least make some money back.Irl, they are burring tons of coal, wasting water and building chips that wont last 5 years.
>>728965665It doesn't have to be good when its good enough. Not everything needs to be polished and hand crafted, again if its just a texture on some wall players aren't going to look at closely it doesn't matter if the text is nonsensical garbage. Again its a tool and that tool will be used in a variety of ways. It'll do some things much faster than traditional methods which is why its catching on, not just with low quality slop but also big name indies and AAA.
>>728965038Arc Raiders has way more AI in it and nobody caresE33 is only making troons lose their mind so much because it's the story move game shit they all love so much
>>728966642the end result of the crash is that it stops being given to consumers and become enterprise software
The Paintress more like the AI Sloptress
>>728966794and we have an entire generation who never learned without AI and a society, that got used to AI doing all that tedious and boring hard work".
