what game?
>>728952909Mario Sunshine
>>728952909saints row 4 MGS V
>>728952909Deus Ex: Invisible WarThief 3Fallout 3/NV
>>728952909Who cares, people who say this are faggots who love to complain.
Deus Ex: Invisible War
>>728952909Fallout 4Fallout New Vegas
>>728952909obligatory Doom 3 post
Diablo 3
>>728952909Total war: Warhammer 1,2,3
>>728952909No such thing. If it isn't a good *series name* game, then it's not a good game.
>>728953823Explain how DmC a bad game then
>>728953926You like it, so it's certainly a trash game
Deadspace 3
>>728952909>Asscreed black flagDogshit assassins game but cool pirate game
>>728952909The 3rd Birthday Parasite Eve.Universally hated by parasite eve fans, but as a game it is way above average.
>>728952909Age of Empires 3
>>728952909Dark Souls 2
>>728952909The one and only DmC
>>728952909GTA IV
>>728952909Breath of the wildThree houses
No finer example of this than Dark Souls 2. It's a shame because it really does some things great but there's just so much that falls flat and especially inbetween ds1 and ds3 its really glaring.
>>728952909Guilty Gear Strive
>>728952909Crime Boss: Rockay CityBought it on sale, but so far core Payday 2 is just better
>>728952909Banjo Kazooie N&B is unironically a good vehicle-building game. It just shouldn't have been a Banjo-Kazooie game.
>>728952909Red Dead Redemption It didn't need a sequel.
>>728952909Engranaje metalico solid VZelda Twilight PrincessDoom 3DmCSonic Lost World
>>728954805>>728956579DaS2 isn't what I think of but that's because when I think of the quote in OP I think of "game that's good for what it's trying to be but disappoints by being too fundamentally different to capture the essence of the other games associated with it."Mechanically and thematically DaS2 does a fine enough job expanding upon the original, it's just a bad Souls game because the game's quality just isn't as high as anything that came before or after. It's less "Good game but bad Souls game" and more "OK action RPG that's disappointing compared to the other games in its series".
>>728957632I will stand by saying that N&B would have been positively received if Banjo didn't look so fucking ugly in it.
>>728952909Font image threads are fucking shit
>>728952909
>>728952909MGSV
>>728952909Doom 2016
>>728952909Arcania: Gothic 4
Resident Evil 4 is the clear poster child of this. It cut down on like 2/3rds of the RE formula - horror and adventure - to go absolutely ham on polishing up the remaining third - action. Very good action game, very lacking Resident Evil game.>>728957632This is another very good example.
>>728958861Twilight Princess is arguably the last Zelda game that stuck to convention before the series started completely losing its way. I'd say Wind Waker is a better nominee - they wanted to make a seafaring game but were rushed into making a lackluster OoT clone. At least with TP, coloring within the lines appeared to be the general point of it.
>>728961490I wish the tears gathering wolf parts weren't so fucking shit and the color palette wasn't so fucking brown
>>728961490That was OoT. Majoras, WW and TP alike are flawed big time when it comes to be the core of a Zelda gameplay; all too easy at the very base of them.
KCD2 is a terrible KCD game.
>>728960817I swear this game started the trend of it in the first place. I loved it, thought it was a dogshit Splinter Cell
>>728952909FFXVI
>>728961819The tears parts aren't well conceived but the first two are probably shorter than you remember. Arguably shouldn't have been there at all but they cumulatively take maybe an hour and a half to work through. Color palette's not really brown so much as it is muted and a bit rustic. The whole of the game looks fine, if not a bit limited by the hardware. Definitely an overuse of bloom in the twilight realm for sure, they had too much fun with that shit.>>728961883Majora's Mask is fine in the same way Link's Awakening is fine - more linear than what came before it, but in a way that isn't downright insulting. It's also verifiably harder than OoT, plus I'm not about to discount the Oracles duology. Zelda was damn solid up through 2001. WW wanted to innovate but didn't have the time, and MC/TP at least tried to stick to convention on purpose. After that, it is what it is. At least ALBW was pretty good out of nowhere.
>>728952909Majora's Mask
>>728952909Fallout 3.
>>728952909fallout 4 or 3
>>728962396>Majora's Mask is fine in the same way Link's Awakening is fine - more linear than what came before it, but in a way that isn't downright insultingTime limit is not a good thing in zelda as general design. Let alone being side quest the game
>>728952909Jak XLiberty/Vice City Stories
>>728962790Maybe if the game hadn't used the time limits to push some of the more experimental overworld ideas in a Zelda game then sure. As I see it Majora's stuck its neck out to try something different, and did so in a way that was more respectful of the foundation than, say, Skyward Sword or Breath of the Wild. It was a risk, and one of the better executed ones in the series IMO. Maybe the length of the dungeons took a hit for them, but they make up for that in having some of the best concepts and bosses in 3D Zelda. I dunno, I have no issues with MM's time limits but I can see it being a "good game, but a bad Zelda" because of them I guess.
You know it.
>>728952909Fallout 4it's a great game if you pretend it's a Borderlands rip off made by no-name devs. It's fucking awful if you treat it like it's a real Fallout game
>>728952909Fallout 1/2
>>728954805>>728956579NPCs
>>728952909Paper Mario Sticker Star, unironically.
>>728963194It should have been one instead of both. I'd say being sidequest driven was a far better choice than apllying a time limit to it>As I see it Majora's stuck its neck out to try something different, and did so in a way that was more respectful of the foundation than, say, Skyward Sword or Breath of the WildI have to disagree; SS appealed to the crowd that thought TP was objectively the way to go making mre focus around combat. Turns out they were wrong and Zelda wasn't about combat at all, let alone the way to evolve the series Meanwhile BotW chose to trace back to be an adventure, more free type of game like it used to be with the first game, and they were right. If anything the latter was far more respectful despite the execution of it leaving a trail of seething
>>728961923>>728960817I've said it a million times and I'll say it againIf Conviction was a Jason Bourne game then it would be one of the most well-loved licensed video games ever made.
>>728963512We see things very differently. I see SS as a giant puzzle game almost devoid of actual combat and completely devoid of an actual overworld, with Skyloft effectively being a slightly less good Clock Town. Great if you want everything to be a dungeon puzzle but a complete betrayal of everything else, and I say this as someone who ultimately loved TP. BotW is a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, the formula needed updating but if SS went too far in turning everything into a puzzle then BotW went just as far in the opposite direction turning everything into the overworld. Like 90% of it doesn't matter and it struggles to establish a memorable sense of place and identity like every Zelda before it did quite effortlessly. It's a mechanics-driven sandbox. Fine, but it misses the mark of Zelda as much as SS did in my eyes, but for very different reasons.
>>728961883>Ocarina of Time fan hates every single other Zelda game except Ocarina of TimeWhy is this so common?
>>728952909super paper mario
>>728962404 Based. Majora’s Mask is one of those games that aged into a masterpiece. At launch people whined about the time loop and sidequest focus, but now we realize it was Nintendo experimenting in a way they never would again. The atmosphere, the existential dread, the insane NPC scheduling-all of it hits harder than any other Zelda. It’s not a traditional entry, but it’s easily one of the most honest and unique.
>>728952909Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & BoltsSuper Paper MarioMetroid Prime 4
>>728952909Fallout Shelter.
>>728954238Honestly, yeah.One of the few good Asscreed games specifically because of all the parts that isn't Asscreed.
>>728952909Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne
>>728952909max payne 3
>>728964721Stop projecting
>>728953124New vegas is dogshit game and meh fallout game.4 was full of flaws, only level design was good.3 is the one that is "Good/decent game" but bad fallout (although you can see that bethesda really tried to capture the spirit of fallout, they fell just short of good)
Skyrim
>>728954238/threadIf only they removed the connection to that shitty series. And no. Not like Skull and Bones where they proceed to monetize every fucking thing
>>728952909killing floor 2. it's a good game but it's not killing floor. 3 is neither a good game or a killing floor game
Vtmb 2 (not even a good game but once you ignore all connections to Bloodlines 1 it gets easier to swallow)Spider-Man 2 (2023)Dues Ex Mankind Divided
>>728952909Etrian Odyssey Untold Story 1
Mass effect 2
>>728952909Having never ever played a Donkey Kong game I can say DK Bonanza looks like a dogshit Donkey Kong game but everything else is fine.
>>728968487Probably true. I don't play many RPGs but I loved 1, yet dropped 2 in a matter of hours. It removed damn near everything I liked about 1.
>>728959141by your logic ds3 is shit because ds3 is shit and it's shit and uhh ds3 is shit lol
O Lord the great collapseWon't be our endWhen the world falls into the flames we will rise again! We will Rise again
Kirby's Epic Yarn, but only if you play for 100% completion. Does not apply for a single percent less.
>>728968487Mass Effect 2 was the best Mass Effect game, and one of the best games ever made. Try again.>>728968687Nigga you gay.
>>728959232And if an actual Banjo game had come out near it.
Ninja Gaiden Sigma.
>>728968592Seconding this. Nintendo has no fucking clue how to manage it'a IPs, and to a lesser extent pokemon. When your IPs have such a resonating impact on the general public you need to keep producing to their strengths. Instead, they would rather shoehorn ridiculous gimmicks and dilute the brand to the point of a slow, whimpering death. We needed more 2D platformers for DKC, not another sandboxslop like breath of the wild. This is why nintendo and even pokemon will die out in the next 30 years when their core fanbase loses interest and their frankenstein corpse of an IP will have no relevance with the public.
>>728954238Still hilarious that Black Flag, an Assassin's Creed game trying to be a pirate game, was a better pirate game than Skull & Bones, a deliberate pirate game. And both were made by the same fucking studio!
>>728952909Dark Souls II, 100%
>>728952909Edgy devil may cry
>>728968487this
>>728969375You can call me whatever you want. It's the game that kickstarted my lack of faith in AAA. Haven't budged in the last 15 years on that, not starting now.
>>728952909Hitman Absolution. It's one of the best stealth action games/third person shooters I've ever played yet when it came out faggots and retards could not handle that it was more action-oriented than previous games, also I genuinely don't understand why the killer nuns upset people so much, there was practically rioting in the streets from deranged WRONG faggots like Totalbiscuit because god forbid there's silly sexy bdsm nuns in a game.
>>728952909Pokémon Legends Arceus, it's the only great Pokémon game released since bw2 but It doesn't have the core Pokémon gameplay loop that I enjoy. I'm more of a battlefag then a catchfag. I enjoyed Z-A slightly more because of this ignoring that fact that Arceus is a much more well made game.
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>>728967412>3 is the one that is "Good/decent game">you can see that bethesda really tried to capture the spirit of fallout,
>>728952909DXHR and MDDXIW is just straight up trash, it's only technically better in the story as it's a sequel to the original good DX
DmC is pretty fun but its place in the series and the way it spits all over the history of the series up to that point makes it deserving of its reputation
>>728952909Anno 2205
>>728970353The nuHitman games also fit this decently I think
>>728963315That's just a bad game
Doom 3 and 4 are barely Doom games and don't work at all as successors to the first two games, but I enjoy both of them
>>728952909MH Rise/Sunbreak
>>728968487Somebody else gets it. I missed having an engrossing story like 1, I wasn't a fan of the sidequest simulator. It felt like one of those games where the little things were better, but the broad strokes weren't as good and it was less soulful than 1.
>>728969958the moment people realized the fact that "your ship has stamina", it was already over for S&B. AAAA game, everyone.
Are you guys actually retarded or just pretending to be retarded?
>>728971405I am actually retarded thank you very much
Assault Horizon
>>728971405Someone with adequate brainpower wouldn't feel the need to even ask this
>>728971405No, we understand the topic.
>>728952909bg3
>>728971585extremely true
>>728971585hmm......... ......hmmmm............... nyo
Metroid Prime Hunters
>>728970558>didn't read the rest of the postyou are the nigger.I didn't say they did, I said they tried.Go look the old E3 and IGN videos from before the game came out, with the devs talking about what they were working on. I would say that if Todd wasn't fucking everything up F3 would have been a great game AND a great fallout.Dunno why I am even replying, you are probably mad because of my Troon Vegas opinion
>>728952909There is no such thing as good series name game, its either a good game or a bad game, if its different from its prequel that doesnt mean shit, as long as its good.
>>728952909Likely more examples, but the three that come to mind immediately are Halo 4, Star Fox Adventures, and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts.Halo 4 is a decent generic Sci Fi FPS, but it's a TERRIBLE Halo game (literally only Cortana was the highlight).Star Fox Adventures is not a bad Action/Adventure, just an awful Star Fox game.Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts isn't a bad kart-building game, just a dreadful Banjo-Kazooie.This is the part where I would say "Killzone: Shadowfall!" but no, that's a bad game by itself and an even worse Killzone.
Silent Hill 4: The Room.
>>728952909hey pikminchibi robo ziplashbotwhalo odsthalo reachkid icarus uprisingff xvi
>>728963495how was it good? super paper mario or origami king i can see>>728964721Ootsnoys
>>728973223>Kid Icarus Uprising
Mercenaries 2
>>728953926DmC is an OK DMC game and an OK game
>>728952909this used to be the poster boy
Bayonetta 3Metroid DreadNinja Gaiden 4Demon's Souls (but in this case it's because it's better than any other souls game)
>>728973187Debatable on the "good" part. It's very 50/50.
Pretty much every single Nintendo 64 game
This complaint was always stupid. Niggas are still seething about Resident Evil 4 (2005) for ruining the series til this day.
>>728973863Exploration in Metroid post-Super has so far lost the plot that Dread can be argued to be a step back in the right direction relative to its release.
>>728952909anything new DooM related since 2016but they're not even good games
>>728952909DS2
>>728952909chrono crossshit sequel, great game
>>728974163You can argue against how it's applied at times but the complaint itself is fundamentally indisputable
>>728974329pfft
>>728974363It's "disputable" if you have no respect for the identity of a series. If you can remove any worth in that concept then the problem doesn't exist. Basically, turn your critical assessment skills off and it's nothing to worry about.
>>728974712If you remove any grounds for you to raise a dispute then it becomes disputable however in doing so you've rendered the dispute meaningless, returning to indisputable
>>728974895Not really the takeaway I meant for anyone to get out of that observation, but I guess if you want to see it that way you can.
FF16
>>728974210That's actually a good takeAttempting to replicate the inimitable qualities of SM has produced so many shit ass Metroidvanias in general, let alone Metroid mainlines. Dread is alright in comparison.
>>728952909Too bad the sequel sucked
Sex with Hitler 2. It was a good game but I felt like they lost a lot of what made SWH1 a great game
>>728952909Resident Evil 6
>>728952909Bayonetta 2I would say 3 but I have yet to play it
>>728952909Paper Mario: The Origami King
>>728973223>ziplasheven looking at it as a platformer it's painfully generic and not well designed at all
>>7289773213 is better than 2 but even less similar to 1 so it's a good candidate for this thread. Bayo Origins is also a great candidate since it's wildly different in gameplay AND tone but it's also the second-best game in the series after 1.
ALL sequels
>>728952909banjo kazooie nuts and bolts
>>728952909Doom 3, Eternal and Dark Ages.
>>728977686Classic Megaman would like to have a word with you.
>>728952909Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag is an obvious one.
>>728977775>MM7 and MM8
>>728977897Notice how you had to skip 2-6 to try to make your point?I did.
>>728978010But 2 is the quintessential good megaman game and 6's flaws aren't that bad in the big picture with some autists being triggered about the slide frames
>>728977749>Dark Ages>good game
>>728952909Botw
>>728952909Trails into Daybreakgood JRPGbut doesn't reach the heights of the Trails seriesthough I am happy it makes queers on /v/ and r/games seethe so I look forward to the replies ;)
>>728977897Still generally better than 1.>>7289780982's not even one of the better ones, but it too is better than 1.
cope mindset, no one would ever bother to defend half of the games listed here if they weren't part of a famous series already
>>7289780102 is not a real megaman game because they completely removed the old cast and replaced it with their quirk chungus OCsno cut manno guts manno ice manno bomb manno fire manno elec manfuck you man
Dying Light [spoilers] the first one
>>728978306>Still generally better than 1.MM1 is the literal foundation; there's nothing inherently wrong with it and its formula. Unlike MM7/8 bringing a store and grind prospect to it>2's not even one of the better onesMM2 is the best, until 9 came around
>>728953050Who cares, people who complain about these threads are faggots who love to complain
>>728952909All games are going to be bad if you hold them to artifical standards.
>>728952909I actually like Bioshock Infinite if you look at it as a more linear shooter than as an immersive sim like the first two games, though I can understand why people take issues with the different gameplay style and some of the writing. Still think it's the weakest out of the trilogy though.
>>728978579I'm not saying anything is inherently wrong with it. I'm saying that almost every game after 1 improved on the foundation.>MM2 is the best, until 9 came around9 is the best and it absolutely blows 2 away. They are foundationally similar, but one is a much better overall game. The only ones I'd say I like less than 2 are 1, 5 and 7. At the absolute minimum, 4 also leaves it in the dust.
>>728954805This
>>728978779Your post reads with more sincerety if you take the word "artificial" out of it. What an inane thing to assert.
>>728978835>I'm saying that almost every game after 1 improved on the foundation.I think MM1 is above all because only 1 had the boss rush/robot master rematch properly applied. MM9 came to be to appeal to the MM2 crowd, 9 being the best is only proof why MM2 is extremely good/too tier entry. They're bound in the same vein as MM3 and 10
>>728952909Max Payne 2
>>7289789961 doesn't have my least favorite levels but it's definitely rough. You can see how many ideas 2 added AND removed from it in refinement, and it still had its rough patches despite that. 9 doesn't excel because it's "just like 2", that doesn't mean anything. It excels because its level designs and special weapons are truly exceptional. 9 hits you hard and you can hit back even harder.
>>728964193Didnt Bourne get his own game?
Dragon Age 2.It was a good hack n slash
>>728980949yeah but it suckedConviction captured the Bourne vibe and was a much better game
>>728981029I don't think it really did.A big part of Bourne is that he's doing things of his own volition. Following his own lead. Telling the government to fuck off and leave him alone. Always two steps ahead.Fisher in Conviction is the opposite of that. He's being lead around by the nose. Immediately falling back into the government fold. Always two steps behind.All it had that you could call "Bourne-esque" is take downs.
