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>One senior concept artist, who wished to protect their identity due to their role at a major developer, told us that studio leadership currently asks them to work from AI-generated reference material. They said they would often have to “reverse engineer where the pieces of the image composite came from, and work off what I’m able to find off careful searches on the internet. Things like hairstyles, clothing, props, and so on.”
>In addition to ensuring the company was protected from potential legal blowback, given the project was a well-known IP, this artist reasoned that this task was something they felt they had to do in principle, for the benefit of their peers – “…so when I’m putting a design package together for a 3D artist either in house or offsite, they have actual references they can use instead of having to waste time deciphering what’s in the output image ‘references.'”
>“I feel responsibility for the others I work with on my projects, for me it’s a normal part of my job.”
>Even at companies that don’t mandate the use of generative AI reference material, several artists we spoke to also mentioned the increased difficulty of sourcing original reference material online, amid a sea of generative AI images – images that anyone, even non-artists, can easily whip up.
>I’m seeing more and more clients generate something approximating their desired outcome and essentially asking me to make ‘something like this. It sucks. This practice absolutely invalidates the entire creative process, in my opinion, and makes my job harder and more frustrating. The job of an illustrator or concept artist is to draw from their years of experience to interpret a brief in a creative way

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>Those images clients show you have an insidious way of worming their way into your head, and I find I have to do a lot more work to sort of flush the system to break away from those inputs, and now my client has a very specific image in their head.
>One artist working at a medium-sized studio, who wished to remain anonymous, remarked that “non-artists have gotten so used to expecting a ‘polished product’ from [generative AI tools] that it’s become hard for them to imagine what sketches or concepts might look like later down the line.”
>Executive and leadership implicitly demand being shown “a final product” otherwise they don’t understand what they’re seeing
>It can plant an image in the client’s head which becomes difficult to iterate upon. So my job turns into arguing with said client about why my ideas are better than whatever series of flashy nothings they generated this morning.
>“Many people try to make the case that… feedback could be provided on a “finished” looking genAI image and you could use genAI to create the same iterations faster; but that’s not how human brains work,” said another developer at a large studio, who also wished to remain anonymous.
>When I show someone a rough sketch they see it differently than I do. They’re not seeing the sketch, they’re seeing the potential for what the sketch could be through their own taste and experiences, and it sparks all kinds of wonderful ideas that I would’ve never thought of on my own.
>Another separate artist working at a large co-development studio, who did not wish to be identified, said that “trying to [AI] generate exactly what we have in mind is almost always impossible… I don’t think I’ve ever felt like the end result was worth the time when I could have just done a quick sketch to show the same idea”.

>>728960551
>watching media, assessing the competition, watching videos
The list goes on!

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>Managers and producers who bring it up are often well-intentioned, but ultimately once I explain the process of making games and what it requires, it’s dropped
>Generally after a discussion it becomes apparent that whoever is pushing for it has a lack of understanding what art creation for a game actually entails.
>I do find that those managers do try and justify smaller uses for it later – ‘We won’t use it for art! But what about internal documents or copywriting?'

>The thing that’s so insidious about using AI this way is that one of the main ways artists get hired are studios looking for art references, after which they find us and reach out.
>My career only exists in the way that it does now because a production designer was googling ‘realistic pokemon’ and found me,”. “If he could have just had a machine spit that out, I never would have gotten a job. This is a major issue hitting artist discoverability.

>One day I will leave this industry, and sadly this mortal realm, and I won’t be able to pass on that knowledge to anyone else. But if we use AI to do the menial tasks that would otherwise be done by juniors like I once was, then that knowledge will get lost.

>The ‘early ideation stages’, when worlds are being fleshed out by writers and artists, are literally crucial to the development of a game’s vision,
>This is what concept artists were made for. Why would you pollute that glorious creative movement with joyless, photocopied art?
>I see Larian as a studio that clearly values creativity and the craft of game-making, I think that is undeniable. However, they are still a workplace, and nearly every workplace right now is grappling with a CEO or a group of managers who have become ‘AI guys’ intent on solving a problem with productivity that they cannot articulate and that I feel doesn’t actually exist.
>I wish them the best. I hope they change their mind about using AI.
>We’ve made lots of cool stuff. Let’s keep doing that.

>>728960936
>>It can plant an image in the client’s head which becomes difficult to iterate upon. So my job turns into arguing with said client about why my ideas are better than whatever series of flashy nothings they generated this morning.
kek fucking aislop

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>>728960936
>Another separate artist working at a large co-development studio, who did not wish to be identified, said that “trying to [AI] generate exactly what we have in mind is almost always impossible… I don’t think I’ve ever felt like the end result was worth the time when I could have just done a quick sketch to show the same idea
This is what I've been thinking every since Larian admitted what they used AI for.

I'm not an artist, but how the fuck is it easier and more convenient for you to have to essentially google search what you want to draw rather than just... draw it. The thing you were hired to do? This shit makes no fucking sense.

>>728961540
This is just how the frog gets boiled. The objective is to fully sloppify everything for more money.

>>728961258
>>I do find that those managers do try and justify smaller uses for it later – ‘We won’t use it for art! But what about internal documents or copywriting?'
Why are (((managers))) so insistent on using AIslop?

>>728961696
It's the fad
Looks better for investors if you say your company is using state of the art AI technology

>>728961696
Fortunately this will change once the bubble pops

oy vey

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>>728960551
>On the other hand, going through archives and real world references will allow you to stumble upon things you have never thought of before, informing and branching out your ideas further. Going down these accidental rabbit holes is a pivotal step of concept and world building to me.
it's not like modern concept artists are actually going to the library to find old artbooks. They just go on pinterest, or as your guy says they google "realistic pokemon"

>>728961696
>Why are (((managers))) so insistent on using AIslop?
Because Investors are more likely to give you money, and MBAfags unironically have no soul.

>>728961258
>>One day I will leave this industry, and sadly this mortal realm, and I won’t be able to pass on that knowledge to anyone else. But if we use AI to do the menial tasks that would otherwise be done by juniors like I once was, then that knowledge will get lost.
This is what I've been saying. This is like when CGI became big in movies and suddenly no one needed background, lighting and miniature experts so now every movie looks like the same dogshit because the experts for those kinds of things literally died out.
Sets barely even exist nowadays. And if you go by an individual case-by-case basis, it may seem ok, but you compare the movie industry of now to the movie industry of then and it's very easy to see we've fallen off a cliff.
This is what AItards don't get when they go "What's the big deal?" It's pure myopic thinking from brainlets.

>>728962004
>it's not like modern concept artists are actually going to the library to find old artbooks.
A lot of them are, at least the actual good ones.
>They just go on pinterest,
Pinterest was a fine enough substitute if used well, at least until it got flooded with AIslop.

>>728961626
Frogposters should get boiled.

We're so obviously rolling down the slippery slope with this slop. You are spiritually and mentally Indian if you don't see it.

Eeerm it's le future tho you luddite

>>728961696
They're jewish

No one cares. Adapt or die.

>>728963003
>YOU WILL EAT ZE BUGS

>>728963003
They're right even from a consumer point of view and you're just too brainlet to see it
There's no merit in adapting into making low effort slop

>>728963003
>Adapt into eating my low effort slop at the trough
Worst case scenario, I'll just play old games for the rest of my life, before you jeets ruined them

Before the widespread use of internet concept artist was someone who understood topics like architecture, biology, engineering etc. and applied this knowledge to the drawings. Nowadays people who larp as concept artists make a collage of images from internet an draw an amalgamation from it without any deeper understanding. By modern naming those people are closer to the term "vibe painter".

>>728963252
And AI is making this problem even worse by having vibe non-painters.

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>>728960936
>“trying to [AI] generate exactly what we have in mind is almost always impossible… I don’t think I’ve ever felt like the end result was worth the time when I could have just done a quick sketch to show the same idea”.

AI keeps advancing, arttrannies keep losing

>>728960551
I'm reporting this blatant article piracy to shillup. YOU'RE HURTING HIS VEGEMITE BUDGET YOU SCUM.

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>>728960551
I can see how an artist that draws purely from imagination would have nothing to gain from AI, since there are all kinds of subtle shapes and things that are borderline impossible to describe with words. I see this especially in Japanese artists. But heavily referenced ideas that are based on the real world as described in that block of text are exactly what AI is good at replacing.
>I want a tree stump with 6 insect legs
AI is good at doing stuff like that.
On the other hand, how would you describe a design like pic related? THIS is the kind of shit that AI can't replace. I have no words to describe this except that it's Juno from Mega Man Legends and it's fucking sick.

>>728963351
I've had interest in concept art when FZDSCHOOL was still active on youtube. All I'm saying is that the quality of concept artists has degraded so much over the years that there's little difference nowadays between vibe painter and vibe proompter, with one of them being much faster and cheaper. And guess what companies are focusing on right now?

>>728963410
Is that some AI concept art? It looks good. But you completely missed the point of your greentext.
If a skilled artist thought of a spider-tree-crab with a trunk for a body, it would take them considerably more effort to generate something like that than to just draw it.
And even if they managed to generate that image, it likely wouldn't be what they wanted to draw. They'd want to make some details differently.
The AI part is an useless in-between step. It makes sense for people like you and me who are NOT concept artists.
But this is like telling a director to generate a movie instead of just filming it.

>>728961540
did you actually read what they said?

>>728960551
I am being further convinced that artists should be replaced by AI.

>>728963628
How long would it take the project lead to get an artist to create the image that is in the project lead's head, not the artist's? Nobody gives a shit about what's in the artist's head.

>>728963598
I think you're giving the (((companies))) too much credit. It's not that they're passionate about good concept art and/or that they correctly intuit that concept art has fallen so low that AIslop is barely different. If that were the case, they'd have worked hard on improving concept art before AIslop became a thing.

No, this is just (((companies))) correctly realizing an easy pressure point to shove AIslop in is in the concept stages, where they can just say that it's a minor thing and IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE GAME (At least this is what they say publically) and then they can keep pushing further and further while the slop keeps settling in and people relent out of resigned repetition.

This sentence
>>I do find that those managers do try and justify smaller uses for it later – ‘We won’t use it for art! But what about internal documents or copywriting?'
Is so revealing. Even when they get convinced that the concept artists they have are better than AIslop and more efficient without it, they still try looking for a reason to shove the AIslop somewhere else.

>>728963884
What? You think Chrono Trigger or Mega Man or Final Fantasy were games where the art was completely faithful to what the lead designer wanted and that the artist's mind had no input in it whatsoever? Or do you think that those games would have looked better and more iconic if that were the case? Are you silly?

The fuck is this ultra Hideo Kojima bullshit you're pulling? Games are made by more than one person.

>>728963628
I draw as a hobby in Krita. I've been experimenting with Krita AI plugin and its live mode is a good way to brainstorm on the fly with AI filling the gaps of design while following the shape of my sketches. I feel like as long as the AI isn't a final product but just a part of workflow or reference that helps explore the idea, there shouldn't be that much of a backlash if its used in such a a way.

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>>728963628
You're an idiot. When they say they're using AI for conceptualizing they mean for the initial idea.
When the concept is nothing but vagueries and ephemera, and you need a springboard and soundingboard to bounce ideas off of.
And then you have the concept art where they draw ten slight variations to try and finalize an idea. If you can generate a few ideas from your main concept you can look at the disparate ideas and build something from it.

You don't just think of a fucking tree-trunk crab and come up with it perfectly on the spot. If you draw the first thing you conceptualize and stick with that you have denied yourself a million avenues of creativity you could've gone down.

>>728964035
I believe you, anon. Thanks for the perspective. This feels like a slippery slope to me, though. I don't think it's gonna stop here.

>>728964116
>If you draw the first thing you conceptualize and stick with that you have denied yourself a million avenues of creativity you could've gone down.
And what's wrong with just drawing those different sketches by yourself, which the concept artists that were quoted in the article OP posted want to do rather than generating them like they're throwing darts with a blindfold cause managers force them to?

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>>728963529
holy shit artists are FINISHED

>>728963438
No matter how much AI advanced, it's still just a proompt maker. None of the stuff that was said is negated unless it just straight up becomes some sort of mind melding drawing device where you draw with your mind and it's reading your brain inputs to think of exactly what you're picturing.

>>728963898
I've long abandoned that Idea. Back when I was studying whenever I had to model a prop using an image I've been finding so many inconsistencies in drawing that made no sense in 3d space. What Ai images are doing is making the life of 3d artists and designers much harder, since it was the job of concept artist in the first place to figure out the mechanics or layout.

>>728964464
based

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>>728963529
>But heavily referenced ideas that are based on the real world as described in that block of text are exactly what AI is
Fucking terrible at doing. AI has absolute no conception of logic or thought, dumbass. It doesn't understand fashion trends or physical logic or the deliberate disregard of either. That's what the artists in the article OP is copypasting from are saying; you can't get anything worthwhile from AI, and going with a design AIslop gives you also robs you of the rough experimental creative development that's the entire fucking reason you want a concept artist in the first place.

>>728964317
Cute zako-chan. Definitely not final boss material.

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>>728964305
>And what's wrong with just drawing those different sketches by yourself
Because you are limited by yourself.
You can't draw something like myself. I can't draw something like yourself.
Unless you want three hundred concept artists to be able to build a solid body of complete creativity, one man and a random generation machine can do a decent job of conceptualization.

I mean, let's go for it champ. You draw a tree-trunk crab and I'll draw one and we'll see what they look like.
We can use >>728963410 as a reference, and also anything else we can think of on our own.

You'll see what I mean when I say you're your own biggest limitation.

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>>728964464
forgot image. I've had to basically redesign the entire trigger area to at least look like it made sense.

>>728964305
None of these fuckers can ever answer this.
The real reason that AI is being forced is because everyone knows it kills middle management. That's it. That's literally it. Middle management is trying to kill grunt work before AI cuts out what actually doesn't matter: meetings and bureaucracy that justifies their positions.
Here is what AI is good at generating:
>marketing speak
>corporate bureaucratese
>emails
It will continue to be good at those things. It will also be good for QA and fast code demos. It will never replace proper writers and artists because, get this, the content fucking sucks and they've dumped so many boatloads of it that AI is now forever hanging under the same Sword of Damocles as mobile games were until covid.
>It's a mobile game/AI, so it must be low quality garbage.
Maybe we'll see this shit again in 15 years. Right now, its just managers coping that their positions are still real before the knife falls. Grunt work is sub 100k/y to pay for. Managers cost 150k+. Who's gonna get fired first: the guy drawing concept art, or the guy who makes powerpoints for management about why having AI generate concept art is more efficient?

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Why do you guys want to automate concept art so badly? It's one of the more interesting aspects of game design and actually let you peer into the original intentions of the devs.

>>728964675
You just redpilled me, anon. That's exactly what this is.

>>728964635
lol

>>728964782
It's the easiest part (yet) that can be automated. Expect a boom of img_2_3d models once the AI will churn through all the scraped .obj and .stl files from Sketchfab and other 3d hosting sites. And a sudden increase of Yanderedev like creators with AI generated 3d assets.

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>>728964581
>It's not perfect right now so frigging STOP
You're not fooling anyone, art tranny

>>728965196
>retarded aijeet completely ignores the entire point
Like clockwork.

>>728960551
>>728960727
>>728960936
>>728961258
Wow that's a lot of butthurt.

>>728964782
(((Companies))) want to automate it. Sheep are just going along with it because they buy their bullshit about how it's more efficient and has no downsides.

>>728965374
Wow, that's a complete lack of counter argument

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>>728964627
>>728964305
Went with a hermit crab in an entire copse.
Now you?

>>728965374
>actual reasoned explanations for why AI is completely worthless
>butthurt
I see the paid shills are here.

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>>728964915
If you've ever worked in corporate entertainment it's really obvious. Marketing departments have editors, who make all the content that a consumer would see, then they have 10-15 producers, who all earn 2x the salary of the editors and their job is to write a script and 'oversee' the artistic vision.
AI generates marketingslop in 5 seconds.
So what use are the producers? For the 'vision'? Shouldn't your editors, who actually make the creative decisions for every frame of an ad regardless, be the ones who have a vision?
All AIfags are just management coping because the managerial class has been massively overproduced by bureaucracy to allow them to overtake the labor class, but this bureaucratic nonsense gets steamrolled by robots. What purpose does a CFO serve, if the CFO's job is to make 'optimal' decisions for the company? Isn't this best served by a robot? Aren't hiring decisions in a meritocracy best resolved by a robot as well?
It's the last hurrah of bureaucracy before it falls, and I look forward to watching the guillotine.

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>>728965489
I'm not here to debate you

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>>728964150
You could still encounter concept artists who used traditional media, but then Photoshop and photobashing technique took over. Now it's happening all over again with generative AI. The less time is spent on drawing, the less thought is put into each line and detail, and in case of promted image, whole composition is dictated by randomness.

>>728965552
What makes you think the managers can't win with this campaign of theirs, though? They already got Sandfall, Larian, Owlcat, etc.

>>728965682
>but then Photoshop and photobashing technique took over.
Photobashing, at the very least, still requires the technique and taste of an individual to put together. AIslop is just that: slop.

I think people just don't want to acknowledge 2 basic facts.
AI is both a better writer and artist than the vast majority of game devs.
It's incredibly sad that a literal machine following a formula can produce higher quality slop than a human hand but this isn't the only thing to suffer with the Endshittification of everything.

>>728965728
>They already got Sandfall, Larian, Owlcat, etc.
They got the managers at those companies, not the workers, and certainly not the customers. AI is so universally reviled that every single company attempting to use it has to force it on unwilling employees and all the PR surrounding it has to measure AI usage in Acceptable PPM. Does that seem like a sustainable venture to you?

>>728965802
>AI is both a better writer and artist than the vast majority of game devs.
It is neither, and to claim otherwise outs you as an AIshill.

>>728965836
The average person that is actually bothering to shit on AI now are very online people, and a fair amount of them are leftists with no actual principles that will bow down soon enough now that Larian is a part of it, for example.

The lowest common denominator will eat the slop and I think there's a real chance that everyone will just relent.

The only thing that is straight up completely unsustainable about AI is the market bubble they're in, but that doesn't necessarily mean gaming is saved the moment it bursts.

So instead of taking inspiration from a real world thing you now take inspiration form some fake shit a computer made up?
Like instead of copy pasting a photo of a coal miner from google you now ask for a genned image of a coal miner?

It doesn't make sense

>>728963628
see this post encapsulates my problem with AI. Its usage feels forced as fuck. Like going out of your way to involve a middle man you don't even really need. But I guess AI is such a fad at this point and management is universally retarded anywhere that they will force its usage anyways so investors will pop a boner and rate you higher.

>>728966050
>>Generally after a discussion it becomes apparent that whoever is pushing for it has a lack of understanding what art creation for a game actually entails.
>>I do find that those managers do try and justify smaller uses for it later – ‘We won’t use it for art! But what about internal documents or copywriting?'

>>728966056
Is it really as simple as waiting for the bubble to burst for this meme to disappear off the face of the earth?

>>728965728
They're more expensive and have no vision so nothing they make is ever any good. All corporate art is cratering as we speak, and you expect me to believe in management is winning this one when costs are skyrocketing? It's cheaper just to cut management, because they have no skills.
You saw this happen in the 00s/10s in the Valley for most start-ups, it was full-stack dev or death.
Welcome to full-stack management. We no longer need human beings to operate bureaucracy, as we can automate it with robots.

>>728966056
I think the push is coming from managers who now get to be more involved with things that they otherwise wouldn't. For example at Larian Swen before these tools he probably had to just let the artists do their thing and then give feedback on whatever they produce, now he can gen images and email them to the team with the caption "wouldn't this be kewl haha more stuff like this"

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>>728965992
>The average person that is actually bothering to shit on AI now are very online people, and a fair amount of them are leftists with no actual principles
You live in your little AIshill bubble and have absolutely no conception of what the world is like. I went to my family thanksgiving in a state that has literally never been even MILDLY blue and heard my older relatives bitching about how the cute animal videos on their facebook were all getting replaced by AIslop, or how the packaging on cheap shit at dollar tree looks awful now because half of it is AIslop. Obviously that's anecdotal, but it's an anecdote you'll hear repeated again and again, reflected in every consumer survey, reflected in damn near anyone you'll talk to.

AIslop isn't popular, it's just that the average consumer didn't start out as good at spotting it compared to the terminally online or those with trained eyes. What you'll see time and time again is that once people DO recognize something as AIslop, they fucking hate it, because most people don't like the idea of something being a load of AIslop bullshit.

>>728965753
It is (or was) a way to cut corners in figuring out perspective, sense of scale or filling out the composition. The slop is the logical evolution of that philosophy. Just gen an image and draw over it, or not. If management demanded 10 iterations of a subject in span of 2 days, you need to use anything possible to make that happen. We're at end stage when 1 person can make hundreds of small deviations just with a click, no effort required.
The snake of culture is eating its tail and the head began to rot from incestuous way of creative process.

>>728966257
Total Manager Death

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>>728966050
>Like instead of copy pasting a photo of a coal miner from google you now ask for a genned image of a coal miner?
SNL has started using AI images instead of intentionally bad/goofy photoshops using stock images

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>>728966174
It depends really. AI STILL has not shown any way of returning even a fraction of the fuck ton of money invested in it. I predict that the current AI mafia will continue to kick the can down the road as much as possible. Because once the hype starts to lose momentum and people start pulling out is when the bubble risks popping. I expect to see these AI giants to effectively start bribing companies to either use their AI to prove it isn't a sham or they will start doing backroom deals to get companies to put out public statements about how useful and cool it is. Unfortunately our lives are increasingly more disconnected from reality so the lack of returns catching up with how sky high the hype is will take a while.

>>728966257
I've once talked to an ex CD-Project dev. Almost entire creative process was decided by 5 people tops and the remaining artists didn't have any input in how things could've look like. Granted this was back during the development of Witcher 2, but I doubt it got any better since then.

>>728966312
Well. Hope you're right and not giving me false hope.

dont worry guys im sure the world government will politely tell people to stop using AI soon

>>728960727
>I’m seeing more and more clients generate something approximating their desired outcome and essentially asking me to make ‘something like this. It sucks. This practice absolutely invalidates the entire creative process, in my opinion, and makes my job harder and more frustrating.
>the client knowing what they want, using AI, and still coming to you, a human artist, for the end result, is bad now
I bet this guy bitches just as much about clients who DON'T tell him exactly what they want and turn down all 15 of his up-his-own-ass 'creative' drafts.

>>728967148
It's incredible how you AIshills will just completely ignore half of the statement or article and just zero in on some bullshit out of context so you can make up random crap about people who badmouth your worthless slop.

>>728966505
Oh no, that means SNL won't be good anymore.

>>728963252
the part that gets me is how many people just want the end result, basically. i'm not a professional or an artist, i'm just some fag who doodles in a sketch book sometimes, but the rabbit holes OP talks about and the variety of topics that your post mention are honestly my favorite part of the creative process. not just going "i want this detail here" but WHY is there a detail there, what function does it serve, and then you're off to the races getting a crash course in a topic you might have never even thought about previously. it took me until adulthood to realize that learning is actually fun and the elementary school library posters were right

>>728960551
I love reading these threads. People who never drew in any serious capacity love to talk about their brilliant ideas.
AI is a tool like any other. It's up to you how much free reign you give it to work for you. On one side you end up with cheap slop, on another you can get a lovely tool for cutting time off your work. It'll be used one way or another and end result will be whether people like the designs or not.

>>728960551
This has been clear from the start to anyone who actually knows anything about creating. And it doesn't only apply to art, but everything AI is being currently used for. It's basically that thing about only spotting how misinformed journalists are when it comes to your own area of expertise and then immediately going back to believing everything they say about other things. No matter how much you hate some twitter furfag artist strawman you invented so that you can defend AIslop it's not going to change the fact that AI is not going to suddenly make someone who has never been an artist understand art and it's not going to "help" the actual artists because they can just do a better job themselves without having to re-roll prompts and hoping that they get an acceptable result this time.

>>728967904
>on another you can get a lovely tool for cutting time off your work
The article OP is quoting is entirely about how it has no actual use for artistic endeavors whatsoever, AIshill.

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>>728960551
>not posting the best image from the article

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Hello, I was doing underwater gens today and I got this one to happen amongst a sea of very good gens (which all took 4 seconds.)

This sea monster rules. It's not contestable. That rules.

They will certainly not be spending half their fucking time reference gathering. I don't use the word 'cope' very often because it was bludgeoned to death by people in 2020 saying the election was fair, but THIS is fucking cope.

>>728968360
Looks like shit, champ.

>>728960551
>On the other hand, going through archives and real world references will allow you to stumble upon things you have never thought of before, informing and branching out your ideas further. Going down these accidental rabbit holes is a pivotal step of concept and world building to me.

Human copy others good

>AI consumes art and media from across history, but it can’t actually make anything substantially new. It can’t invent new fashion trends or design interesting characters; it just amalgamates stuff it has absorbed with no real intention

Ai copy others bad

>>728968416
so what you're saying is it's perfect for a AAA game

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>>728968497
>AIshill doesn't understand the difference between a human being making concious judgement calls and a robot slopping out a hot mess of bullshit based on a series of weighted averages
I'm convinced you faggots genuinely aren't human beings at this point.

>>728968360
Looks like art, champ. Keep making them seethe by just existing!

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>>728960551
i'd believe this if human artists didn't frequently turn out absolute fucking nonsense

>>728968598
>human copy photos good
>human copy AI generated photos bad

>>728968870
>AIshill can't read

>>728967904
Shame you didn't read the OP

>>728968930
>thing I like - good
>thing I dislike - bad

>>728964782
I don; know about you, anon, but seeing what has influenced a concept artist whne it comes to designs is honestly really cool. It really gives you a look into what they enjoy using in their art.

>>728967987
Artistic? Kind of. When it comes to creative side it's fucking trash. It just bash shit together and try to do it in plausible way. That said it has other uses. especially when it comes to time cutting.
Fuck I use AI myself in my work since generating useful high resolution textures is way fucking easier, faster and cheaper than scanning web for them or creating it from scratch myself. Its all about the way you use it.

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>>728966741
Looks like pure larp to me.

>>728968360
I follow a guy on twitter that used AI mainly to make dragons and they usually looked awesome.

>>728968360
What point do you think you're making? Just because you couldn't come up with something as cool looking as that yourself doesn't mean everyone else is like you.

I certainly couldn't, but it's not what me and you can and can't do that matters. You don't buy houses based on if you can build them or not.

>>728966542
>AI STILL has not shown any way of returning even a fraction of the fuck ton of money invested in it.
By creating AI. Your problem is that you don't understand the gravity of AI, because you're an idiot.

I fucking hate indians so much it's unreal

>>728969304
And your problem, as a retarded shill, is that you still think LLMs are even remotely close to actual intelligence.

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>>728960551
>People who are soon to be jobless are saying company that soon will not hire them is stupid!

>>728960551
And they're right.

>>728969379
>this thing that hasn't happened yet is totally like this thing I wasn't around for! I am very smart!

/v/ is so mad about the most mundane shit

>>728969254
>I follow a guy on twitter that used AI mainly to make dragons and they usually looked awesome.
that guy sounds like he's touched by the 'tism lmao.
I bet there's someone out there generating trains or some shit all day

>>728969304
>no you don't understand AI isn't a sham once we get it advanced enough we can just ask it how to make back our investment

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>>728969361
The current paradigm of AI can do more than answer your dumb questions you fucking idiot. It's a massive aspect of AI that's been figured out and the subsequent investments(because it's a safe bet) has allowed many other avenues to also gain traction. You have people like Carmack saying he's going to spend the rest of his life working on solving AI problems, meanwhile you're seething about nothing and acting like nothing is happening in tech right now, that it will all go away if you continue to lie to yourself.

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>>728969379
>>People who are soon to be jobless are saying company that soon will not hire them is stupid!
It's incredible just how bad AIshills are at reading. You see an article full of interviews with people actively working in professional fields an the argument you have to offer is greentext sperging about how they're just mad because they're not getting hired.

>>728961696
Cost cutting, they said, but after the produuction is finished and the product are being listed in the market, somehow... somehow, for unknown and mysterious reason, the price is either same or more expensive than before

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>>728969472
>too stupid to recognize a joke
>doesn't understand how apt it is regardless
You have no concept of what AI means. You are a literal retard.

>>728960551
So tl;dr is that people hiring artists are brain dead retards that should never have access to internet, nevermind advanced tools like AI?
No shit

>>728961540
The point is to eliminate the guy who draws it dude.

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Most anons can't even tell if pic is AI-generated or not.

>>728969534
It doesn't matter what luddites say.

I've been paying attention to AI for over a decade and have seen many concept artists detail how they use it for their jobs, I've seen many concept artists seething about losing work to AI or to people using AI, I've seen many concept artists mald about being forced to use AI if they want to keep their jobs, and I've seen some AI artists that can't draw shit become professionals because they simply know how to use AI well.

>>728969420
It's BEEN happening.

>>728968360
I'm nitpicking but it looks like he's squaring off an enemy but there's no enemy in sight. A sea creature like that would look very different if he's in his home, likely curled up sleeping or something.

>>728963252
>Before the widespread use of internet concept artist was someone who understood topics like architecture, biology, engineering etc. and applied this knowledge to the drawings.
lmfao stfu unc tf u know

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>>728969696
>Etna_Disgaea_by_幾介_or_Ikusuke.jpg
putting aside the filename, I'd say it's not AI because it's fucking ugly as shit.

>>728963598
Ok so if they're so bad what's wrong with replacing them with AI?

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For anyone interested, there was a series of art edutainment games on Nintendo systems called Art Academy.

>>728963252
using AI to brainstorm and search for themes and concepts and then using it to make the art is actually really rad

>>728969790
Hence it's merely a quality problem. Like the problem of CGI in film back then. It basically scraping the interwebs to photobash a certain look for the user is another thing entirely.

>>728969707
No it hasn't. All these studio heads and ceos brag about how quick the game making pipeline is now but none of them are delivering content faster
The only reason to use AI is to eliminate staff to save money, none of them are saying this but it's the only advantage it has. It doesn't make work faster and it doesn't perform to the standards of a skilled professional

>>728969624
You skipped the entire ideation process, which are crucial in design thinking; ai slop didnt necessarily produce concept based on detailed consideration like what human designer did, in opposite, they are doing iteration of works that already exist, potentially damaging the company in process (rights dispute, no one can be charged as in being accountable about it, etc); with no responsible over ai slop design, discussing the concept to art director, manager, exec, etc is almost impossible

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>>728969946
Wrong bitch
https://www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/artists-are-losing-work-wages-and
https://80.lv/articles/a-third-of-translators-a-quarter-of-illustrators-have-lost-their-jobs-to-ai
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-lost-gigs-and-lower-pay-how-ai-is-already-affecting-freelance-artists/
https://nltimes.nl/2025/12/17/ai-hitting-cultural-sector-hard-fifth-freelance-artists-lost-income-work

>but none of them are delivering content faster
Drawing pictures has literally fuck all to do with development time for video games.
>The only reason to use AI is to eliminate staff to save money, none of them are saying this but it's the only advantage it has.
AI is literally better than most professional artists especially western artists.

>>728969696
It isn't whether I can't recognize bad art from AI art. It's whether I can't recognize good and inspired art from AI art.
I've seen a dragon in a cave a billion of times already. Simple repetetive and even if done in top quality kind of fucking boring.
What's different is what's the spin on that story or design. What are the details in environment that are seerve to tell the story, what are unique and original spins on designs or even technique used. What makes something good isn't just bashing other good things together. It's the idea behind it. Thought of before and after what we see in static picture. Belivability of designs in presented world which AI doesn't give a fuck about etc.

>>728961540
the goal is to turn a team of 20 artists into a team of 1 artist. they want the reality where they can just hire one person to do prompts and that's good enough. what that ends up meaning is that you have less people working but the amount of output needs to be the same. so an artist who would've normally created 10 images per day but worked in a team will now be working alone and creating 200 images per day with ai. the numbers I gave are just examples but I hope you get what I'm saying

>>728970107
>AI is literally better than most professional artists especially western artists.
It literally isn't

Not that they're good, but AI is just that much worse

How many GOTY awards did these concept artists win?

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>>728969290
>Just because you couldn't come up with something as cool looking as that yourself
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1766277016418802.mp4
Years ago before AI even existed I drew the monsters in picrel.
I picked 3 of hundreds in my folder.

The point of reference material is that you only have to really like ONE THING from it.
Literally anything that makes you go "Hmm! Now that gives me an IDEAR."
Larian is totally fucking right. They got swarmed with troglodytes and they'll be champions in the end.

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>>728969379
This guy is such a jew

>>728969712
>I'm nitpicking but it looks like he's squaring off an enemy but there's no enemy in sight
And I agree with you.
But in terms of reference material, and exploring ideas, that doesn't matter even slightly.

It would matter if I were trying to publish it.
Which I'd consider unethical anyway.

>>728970253
It objectively is, that's why they're losing work to it. Read the articles.
Just the other day I read one about a now starving artist and even she admit that AI was better than her.

For years the fashion industry has been using AI as a good example, because they recognize that the machine is much more creative than they are because it doesn't have any limited human bias.

>>728970408
Why? That's the most normal take of all time. People also don't want to make garbage and if AI can let 1 man make a AAAA game, everyone is going to be eating good.

>>728970465
>It objectively is, that's why they're losing work to it.
lol

>>728970107
>AI is literally better than most professional artists especially western artists.
I get this is /v/ and we hate artists here but you legitimately can't actually believe this. I'm pretty sure current AI models still aren't advanced enough to successfully recreate the same character from enough angles/perspectives/lighting consistently for it to be used in game development yet.

>>728970520
>I'm pretty sure current AI models still aren't advanced enough to successfully recreate the same character from enough angles/perspectives/lighting
Your problem is that you're completely ignorant. About what AI can do and I'm pretty sure you don't even look at art. Western artists fucking suck.

>>728969420
>>this thing that hasn't happened yet is totally like this thing I wasn't around for
Next TORtanic, two more weeks

>728970731
why is it always the weebs

>>728969696
I may not be able to tell if that's AI generated or not.

But a 2040 where aislop succeeds and a 2040 where aislop was just a fad that failed would be two distinct realities that are very easy to tell apart.

>>728961540
It takes less time to generate 1000 ideas than it takes to draw 100. You can then iterate on the best fifty of them, still take less time and have a better spread

>>728969528
That guys enjoying that today but when the outfit that owns his music replaces him with a robot that sings he's suddenly going to be mad.

>>728969896
>Like the problem of CGI in film back then
Great comparison.
The movie industry relying on CGIslop has led to the complete extinction of lighting, miniature and background experts, as well as a huge freefalling in proper set work.

Movies look like garbage compared to 3 decades ago as a result. This is the future AIjeets want for vidya.

Even a bad movie of the 90s like Judge Dredd looks like a masterpiece compared to the crap we get now. That will be the equivalent of Concord after the industry becomes jeet infested.

Tldr

>>728969790
>six fingers

>>728970790
Eastern artists are talented not only in their creative and expressive styles but most importantly in the stories and characters they create.
Western artists are shit eaters with nothing to say in comparison. Wokies, furries, or edgelords overwhelmingly. The entire corpus of modern western art is a bad joke.

>>728970934
This guy's IQ is too low to understand correlations aren't causations. He just conflates everything together because he can't think critically.

>>728970465
NTA. freelance is not the same as corporate concept artists
You should read your own articles.

>>728963438
Pretty much yeah. Even the /v/ schizos are coping in this thread kek. You can tell they're jeets since they're screeching about a Chinese funded dev.

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>>728971070
>Eastern artists
>not unanimously furries and edgelords

>>728971070
Yeah, bro, I'm sure lighting looking like garbage nowadays and bad sets has nothing to do with an over reliance on CGI being "good enough".

This is the future you want for vidya because you have no standards.

>>728971247
No it's because of capitalism, the jeet economic system of choice. If only mutts chose Chinese communism you could've escaped the slop

>>728971201
Internet scene is vastly different from commercial scene. There's some overlap but the edges of it are two different worlds.

My company has tried to integrate AI into its workflow like 3 separate times and it just does not work. The actual workers who do the shit that makes the company money are annoyed by it because its integration is forced and people find it less annoying to just do the work normally than to do some of the work, try to use AI for whatever the fuck, and then double check that the AI did its job right and fix the problems. Management seems to fucking love AI and thinks its the future and I'm constantly being spammed emails about submitting ideas for where it can be integrated.

>>728964782
Why not? Artist are shit and must suffer, and everyone can click random generate on the AI to get concepts. It's just like your mind goes on paper. Then the programmers program it up.

>>728971247
I can see the downsides of capitalism. It's not a perfect system:
Example: Nvidia being more valuable than 98% of countries on Earth because of AI.

>>728971458
>and I'm constantly being spammed emails about submitting ideas for where it can be integrated
Fucking (((Managers)))

artists lost lol

Reminder that if you hate Larian then you are Indian.

>>728969379
Why is Vavra not smart? He is just saying he wants to get voice acting without voice actors who are annoying losers and concept art without concept artists who are the same. Do you not want the milk without the cow?

>>728970107
Why didn't they just integrate AI into their workflow and increase productivity to maximize their output?

>>728969670
>>728970120
Yeah, so in other words they're full of shit and just want to turn games into slop cause they know the piggies will begrudgingly eat up.

>>728971780
You are free to vote with your wallet loser.

>>728968351
soul vs soulless

>>728971763
this post hurt me irl with how similar it is to the corporate jargon of the managers at my job trying to force AI use.

>>728971843
>"Just don't eat it, bro", says the pig at the trough

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>>728960551
>>728960727
>>728960936
>>728961258
>JOHN HENRY EXPLAINS WHY THE STEAM DRILL IS ACTUALLY A TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT AND A WASTE OF TIME
Ahh, yes, interesting, I see, it all makes sense now, yes, fascinating, what unbiased and objective insight this is, cool

ai is so gay

>>728965196
This is typically what it boils down to

>>728971960
Huh? But I thought Larian was still using as many artists as ever and that AI is only helping them?
So you admit that Larian is full of shit, then?

>>728971960
why are you aishills so bad at reading

>>728972340
Hold on while I prompt chatgpt or whatever for a snide response to your stupid leading questions that have nothing to do with my response to the usual bitching over new tech

>>728972392
>respond to typical response with your own typical response
How typical.

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>>728963529
its based off of haniwa/kofun era sculptures you yakubian ape

I've never seen anyone defend AI for a specific creative reason or vision. It's always just spite against people who hate AI.

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>>728963529
>>728972664
*taps sign*

>>728972456
You think that AI will just be able to replace concept artists and other artists and writers or whatever and that there won't be consequences in the quality on the long term. That's naive.

And considering that the quality is lower, we, as consumers, should not want AIslop to succeed.

>>728972728
>I've never seen anyone defend AI for a specific creative reason or vision that I respect. My perceived enemies exist only to spite me and my perceived allies.
It's true. I spend every waking moment thinking of how to fuck you over personally. I'd gladly die if I knew it would inconvenience you somehow, I am that dedicated.

>>728963003
BASED
Artists are known for having their head in the sand. They don't care about progress and new tools. They only want to things to stay stagnant forever.

>>728972859
Movies adapted with CGIslop and they're way worse as a result.

>>728972728
Because it's just a bunch of shills and anti-shills screaming at each other over social media (yes 4chan is social media). Normal people are just accepting it as the new norm and moving on with their life.

>>728960551
>This is what allows [concept artists] to draw stuff fast for production, how they sort between ideas that fit or don’t fit within the aesthetic constraints of a project. In a pinch, we will regularly be drawing scribbles in 1 to 10 minutes that gets a basic idea across.
This is the funniest thing to me that AIfags don't understand. The actual art doesn't take that much time, the actual process doesn't take much time. It's finding the great stuff that takes time which AI can never replace. Not to mention you have actual employees, real people you can depend on in the future and people that can pass things on to new employees.

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>>728960551
artists are malding that their le unique styles will be written out of existence

you know a shad comic when you see one, for example, that’s stylistic notoriety and it’s what artfags crave

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If a picture has literally ANYTHING you like about it, it's suitable reference material.

If an AI gen can do that for you, great.
If an AI gen can do that for free/cheap, awesome.

If the AI gens take 4 seconds each, then holy fucking shit.

>>728972963
>Not to mention you have actual employees, real people you can depend on in the future and people that can pass things on to new employees.
What year are you from, dev team gets fired when game is over.

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>>728972935
>Normal people are just accepting it as the new norm and moving on with their life.
Friendly reminder that the internet was seen as nothing but positive at the start of its mass adoption

>>728973043
That's what they just explained, dude. They have the entire process, refs, sketches etc. And people who were involved in the process that can explain every single detail. AI will never be able to do this.

>>728972976
I'm a consumer and I'm mad that unique styles will be written out of existence too.

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>>728973061

>>728970408
>waah making a game takes 7 years and 300 people
Only if you choose to make AAA slop ;-)

Almost all the best games of all time were made in 1-2 years with no more than 100 team members at the extreme end

larian literally bought a legitimate concept art studio, back when everyone else was dropping them to go hard in on AI. whoever this faggot is, he's just mad that he wasn't part of that studio, and is currently unemployed because his art is shit. if you listen to hack journo scum like jason schirer, you are niggercattle bog material.

>>728972796
>You think that AI will just be able to replace concept artists
Nah, so I'll just respond to this part. Gotta stay on brand for >>728972392 after all.

I believe artists are threatened by the progress and acceptance of this technology and rather than trying to work with it, they will say absolutely ANYTHING to undermine it and hopefully get rid of it. Because of they see only negative outcomes for themselves the better and more widespread it gets. I can tell the difference, even if it's subtle and hidden, behind a reasoned response and one borne of fear. But it's stupid to be afraid of an event that's already happened. At this point it's just adapt or die. So all this bluster and beggaring explanation is for naught. Make the fucking tool work for you, stop trying to convince people it doesn't and will never exist.

This is the last place that'll ever accept the truth though. You contrarian faggots will crawl up your own asses and die to a man before you'd even consider meeting ANYTHING half way. Hopefully actual artists are smarter than that.

>>728972987
why gen this shit when you can just use the things it's stealing from as reference? Why gen a picture of Robo from Chrono Trigger instead of just using a picture of Robo from Chrono trigger?

>>728973304
>adapt
>Make the fucking tool work for you
How?

>>728973249
Sounds like Larian overall has their heart in the right place but they are being influenced by (((Managers))) who want to justify their existence and retarded (((Investors))) into sloppifying their shit up.

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>>728970408
-Wait I'm confused, did you crop this to shit on him?
Because that's an incredible take.
This dude knows.

>>728973348
If you're creative then you'll know how. Unfortunately certain artists aren't creative.

>fast food made cooking obsolete
>driving made walking obsolete
>mass production made craftsmanship obsolete
>digital music made instruments obsolete
>computers made pen obsolete
Should I go on?

>>728973334
Robo has never been that detailed, and he isn't what I like most about that image.
What I like most is the absolute Childlike Empress energy coming off of Aryll who is pawing at him.

>>728973360
sounds like you just made some shit up because you're retarded. their concept artists asked for more concept artists, larian bought a new concept art studio of 30 people, and then they decided to start using AI in their whiteboarding phase for creative inspiration. the reason the CEO gave for this, is that this is a tech driven industry. I don't know whether you faggots want to admit this or not, but games are products that are sold for profit. if a new technology is invented and hits the market, you are basically kneecapping yourself if you don't at least try it out. that french game which just swept the gay awards? had AI assets in it. It's not some jewish conspiracy, it's business.

>>728973489
All of these are true in the USA.

>>728973489
I don't know what point you're making but this just shows that AI will have a place in society and won't "kill" anything. Which is the reasonable non-shill/anti-shill take.

>>728973491
>>Robo has never been that detailed
???

https://chrono.fandom.com/wiki/Robo?file=Robo2.png

>>728973571
>I don't know what point you're making but this just shows that AI will have a place in society and won't "kill" anything.
That's the point I thought he was making, and I'm surprised you didn't come to that conclusion...

>>728973304
If you know people feel threatened by it, why are you angry at them? I don't think I've ever seen anyone mald so hard at a losing side in a fight.

Imagine being some American colonist in the early 19th century and seething at natives for taking up all the land even while they're dying en masse, that's what you sound like.

>>728973348
Clearly by railing against the heavens until someone hits the fucking rewind button for you.

>There should be peace in the middle east
>Okay then explain exactly how to do that then, right now.
>I can't. I guess there should not be peace in the middle east after all. You got me. Damn you're so smart.

It's all so tiresome.

>>728973613
Oops then I'm just a retard

>>728973489
inb4 horse and car analogies

>>728973491
Again, why not just use a screenshot from a movie or tv show? It seems like you have no creativity or vision and are just throwing shit at a wall hoping something half decent will appear to you.

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>>728973603
What I meant to say was, I don't think I've ever seen him drawn with lines that fine, and a tone that stark and gritty.

And also I haven't seen him juxtaposed with an adoring little gorl before. AI made that very easy for me. The reason he's in one of the 8 pics I've chosen, is because everyone knows Robo.

Here have another image for no particular reason.

I feel like I don't understand why these companies are even using it

they claim it's only in the extremely initial phases but like...that's the least artistically-skillful part? very early concept stages are literally just throwing stuff at a wall until you get something that sounds cool, why would you want to make it so all of your locations, npcs, etc are just made off the framework an ai gave you? you can't even claim it's "saving manpower or money" since this stage is the one that requires neither

>>728973640
So you have no clue? Why suggest it then?

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>>728973660
>Again, why not just use a screenshot from a movie or tv show?
I ... do...

My question to you is:

>>728973538
>and then they decided to start using AI in their whiteboarding phase for creative inspiration
Who did? (((Managers))) and (((Investors))).

>The use of generative AI has led to some pushback at Larian, "but I think at this point everyone at the company is more or less OK with the way we're using it," Vincke said.

>>728973735
They're just testing the waters and slowly making it an accepted practice until they can eventually just pull the rug out from everyone and automate as much as they physically can to save on employment costs.

>>728960551
>concept artist that doesn't work for his project says he's stupid
Lol. Lmao even

>>728973489
>>driving made walking obsolete
If the vidya industry becomes anything like the car city I live in, then yeah, maybe anti-AI people have a point

>>728973828
>>and then they decided to start using AI in their whiteboarding phase for creative inspiration
>Who did? (((Managers))) and (((Investors))).
So what are you gonna do when Japan demonstrably and successfully does this?
They don't have this omni-scapegoat.
It's going to get awkward for you.
You're gonna be tugging your tie like Rodney Dangerfield.

So what's going to happen after the AI bubble pops? Should we prep somehow? I don't think I have enough savings for another recession

The only interesting thing that was inspired by AI imagery was the dogscape creepypasta and that's a technicality since it came from deepdream. Despite the unending flood of AI imagery I don't think a single one has inspired anyone to create anything significant based on of them since then.

>>728970120
Why the fuck do you need 20 concept artists in one project. Too many cooks problem.

>>728973735
This is how the frog gets boiled. Right now they're starting just a bit above lukewarm.

>>728973913
There isn't an AI bubble

>>728973803
I just don't understand it. These people are saying they're just using this to make reference material but collecting reference material isn't hard or time consuming.
I can understand a small indie team or an amateur 1ma using these tools but AAA dev studios? It feels like all these CEOs are putting the cart before the horse and trying to solve problems that don't exist

>>728973090
>And people who were involved in the process that can explain every single detail.
Well reference material doesn't need explanation of every detail, that's what concept art needs.

Reference material is smorgasbord, you get what you want out of it and then you bounce. The world will still need concept artists and the concept artists have had a huge tedious burden lifted from their shoulders.

>>728974002
Hey just for giggles:
Tell me a location/color scheme, and a character you've always wanted to see in it.

>>728974002
They're boiling the frog. They will keep ramping up. If they have no significant pushback (And they won't), it's only a matter of a decade or so before AI assets become the norm.

The fact that AI draws from all sources rather than a vision just means AI-creativity will look around the same as any AAA slop we've been fed the past 10 years.

I think it's worthless slop but I don't think it will actually be a problem, it will just make it easier to weed the tasteless masses from the good stuff. If anything the real artists and creators with any worth being booted out of the slop factories will force them to make their own new things, and we might even get a renaissance out of it.

>>728973304
>GUYS YOU'VE JUST GOT TO LEARN HOW TO USE THE TOOL
>literally nobody using the tool thinks it has any purpose whatsoever
>the only people espousing the virtues of the tool are the ones selling it
>none of the customers of products that could be made using the tool want to see the tool being used in the end result
>NO IT'S GOOD YOU'LL SEE IT'S THE FUTURE

>>728974042
>and the concept artists have had a huge tedious burden lifted from their shoulders
That's not what they're describing, anon. They're saying AI is making their jobs worse because suits don't understand art.

>>728974124
>literally nobody using the tool thinks it has any purpose whatsoever
I use the tool and I think it's rad as shit: >>728972987

>ackshually half the time we aren't even doing our job
This will keep them employed.

>>728974042
>and the concept artists have had a huge tedious burden lifted from their shoulders
Funny how none of them see it this way.

>>728974118
I'm starting to lose faith that even indie devs will hold out against AIslop, but I hope I'm just being too pessimistic.

>>728973954
That's delusion at this point.

>>728974124
How can you be so fucking retarded?

>>728974228
Not him but he BTFO you hard and this is the retort you're left with

>>728974179
>That's not what they're describing, anon.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1766281390724697.mp4
Yes it is.
I've followed the Larian story very closely.
You're severely mixed up if you think they've been describing something else.

>>728974296
>The use of generative AI has led to some pushback at Larian, "but I think at this point everyone at the company is more or less OK with the way we're using it," Vincke said.
PS: Vincke is the boss.

>>728974189
nta but what are you even genning stuff for? your ass aint making a game, nor are you enjoying the process of making art since you just claimed it only took you 4 seconds to do each of them
are you just killing your free time?

>>728974272
Well you didn't BTFO me: >>728974189
Please sir, BTFO me.

>>728974114
Tomba in a sonic the hedgehog bonus stage

My boomer dad is the one who loves AI art the most out of my whole family and his attitude explains a lot. People into AI simply believe they have a good vision, but for circumstances beyond their power can't pursue art on their own. They think it's some sort of liberation, to finally be able to create without being chained down by the limits of your hands or the interfering visions of others. It's about lacking either the faith in their own craft, or the time, or the energy.

I find it weird that it would be popular here, though. You're all young, you got all the time and energy in the world. Why not learn to draw? It's not like you have to abandon AI gens, just treat them as separate hobbies.

>>728973913
Recession but GPUs will be affordable again and you can run AI locally instead.

>>728974404
Anon, I'm glad you're enjoying your generation and I appreciate looking at those images. I think they look nice.
When the other anon was talking about people using the tool, he meant actual developers, not people funposting on /v/.

>>728974441
>GPUs will be affordable again and you can run AI locally instead.
Cool
>Recession
I may die

>>728973828
I don't know if you know this, but almost all major advancements in AI have been due to open source software, which is not something you have to pay for. if you think there's some jewish conspiracy then you are simply too retarded to live.

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>>728973120
they’ll still exist, they’ll just be very expensive and exclusive - so the industry will experience a major culling of lower-tier artists which sucks but that’s where it’s headed

in America we’re always trying to do everything cheaper and faster with as little personal effort as possible, we’re a race-to-the-bottom tier economy and there will never be any exceptions

airbags and seatbelts only exist because insurance companies hated paying for fatalities and pressured the government to mandate safety features

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>>728974391
>>728974354
>your ass aint making a game
Yes I am.
>nor are you enjoying the process of making art since you just claimed it only took you 4 seconds to do each of them
I am tho. Img2img and CR are extremely cool. Picrel.

>>728974479
You're included in this rejoinder because of your last line, I guess.

>>728974440
kys commie

>>728974440
>Why not learn to draw?
99% of people are too afraid to be bad at something nowadays, trying to learn and improve at something is seen as cringe by the younger generation, so a device that lets them automatically get mediocre at something without having to put their own humility on the line is a golden ticket for them

>>728974528
(((Investors))) are retarded and just want to invest in companies that use le state of technology fad
(((Managers))) want to justify their existence because AI would more easily replace them

>>728974565
so you can draw, but instead of trying to improve you've decided you're okay with being mediocre and would rather just coast on what you got up until now, got it

Explain to me like I'm a retard HOW AI will make a company money.

>>728974002
>thread is about larian
>I just don't understand why these AAA dev studios are using AI
grok is unironically smarter than you because pattern recognition is literally programmed into it

>>728970520
AI models are what you train it with is what you get. Train it with Ruan Jia's dataset and you get mimic of Ruan Jia's art as output. Train it with Ghibli dataset and you get Ghibli bootleg output. But how much cohesive all of these assets and properties mesh together in the final product solely depends on the actual human team in the end. So if the artist actually wants Ghibli style they could train them off of Ghibli without consulting with Miyazaki but you've gotta be special level stupid to use AI on very recognizable artstyle. Yes I'm referring to whoever the genius that's behind BO7 Ghibli slop.

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>>728974646
Look dude this is why the Anti-AI barge is capsizing in flames.
The side offering the most leeway, usually wins.
And your side isn't doing that, at all.

>>728974654
First of, speaking literally and in the present moment: Investors are retarded and will invest on you if you show how you use AI as a state of the art solution to non existent problems.

But latter down the line, when all the piggies have begrudgingly started eating the slop? By replacing as many people as possible. "Best" case scenario, you'll be able to make E33 in 3 years with just 7 pahjeets.

>>728973334
weird question

>greatest gift to humanity since the printing press
>anyone can now easily convert their imagination to imagery
>this must be stopped because people are no longer forced to pay me
You do not hate these people enough.

>>728974654
This question is literally no different from HOW an artist will make a company money. They either will, or they won't, depending on their work. Concord had all 100% real human beans working on it, cost $400 million, and shut down in a week.

Also people take things very personally, so attacks on multimillion dollar corporations for taking soulless shortcuts are also somehow seen as as direct oppression on everyday schlubs playing with AI gens for fun.

>>728974743
i have zero clue what the fuck you're talking about, i'm just saying i think you're retarded

>>728974565
Oh, it's Cris.
Should've known.

>>728974743
AIslop will win because the vidya industry has already been going down in quality over the years and this is an even more efficient way of doing that for pure profit.

The only question is why that makes you happy.

>>728974391
>nor are you enjoying the process of making art
Why not? He could be very well enjoying the process of making art by genning stuff and exploring what he likes about different styles?
If anything he is being more creative than you are at enjoying art since he can draw and he is actively trying to do new things and push what he can do with his current tools. It is that simple.

>>728974743
victim complex
AIslop is winning and you're stomping the side with the broken leg for no reason
seek help

>>728974850
>process of making art by genning stuff and exploring
Genning is literally none of those.

>>728972664
Only incredibly loosely as you can see by comparing the two pictures with your eyes. You wouldn't be able to tell an AI "draw haniwa/kofun era sculptures but make it ANIME and MECHA" and have it give you Megaman Juno because there's way more to it than that.

>>728974815
Yeah, that's true, I don't know why these retards are posting their hobby images that they had fun making as if people here are trying to take them down. The problem is in the products we pay for, retards.

>>728974573
Why do pro-AIers have this obsession with BTFOing leftists even when they're not talking to leftists?

>>728974753
People like you seriously need to stop posting. E33 was made in 4-5 years while subcontracting work out to chinks and jeets, using stock unreal assets, and AI tools, which is basically identical to what you just said. The slop has been here for at least a decade. Did you just start playing video games or something?

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>>728974654
Art is a matter of visualizations and dreams and it's very very gay.
The gayer your mind works, the better.
Whoever headed FF7's FMVs was probably the gayest motherfucker to ever walk the earth, at that time.

Now look here.
Look at how gay all these images are:
https://i.4cdn.org/v/1766280001751160.jpg
IIRC, every single one of those gens I made, were just within the past 5 days.
That really helps the gay visualization process.
It's very hard to describe to someone so straight, how gay this is.

Do you understand?

>>728974989
You're in a thread shitting on Larian and you think E33 is not part of the discussion?

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>>728974835
--No?
I think I am aware of Cris though.
He gets brought up in AGDG from time to time.

>>728975002
>AI gen me a bunch of random shit
>yes master
>heh see this is how I will make or save money
???

>>728974953
I want you faggots out of work. I want you replaced with machines because you are insufferable degenerates and I don't want your taint anywhere near vidya or art. I don't give a fuck about any other "muh consequence" shit. Kill all leftist """artists.""" A world with no human artists is better than world with one leftist """artist."""

>>728975110
Least deranged AIslop defender.

>>728975038
A literal non sequitur. I could be forgiven for assuming you are actually an AI.

>>728974953
The AI shills are retarded jeets who think westerners act like bug people the same way asians do

>>728975108
Would you agree that anything that brings down the MPG in your car, is saving you money?
Well, we're talking about a part of the production process that is normally a very thin bottleneck.
The bottleneck being widened.

>>728965489
I didn't even read it

>>728974883
He is. It is that simple. He is creating art he is expressing his creativity and he is having fun. Those are all the marks of a creative hobby and he is using the image medium to convey his felling an emotions.

>>728975186
You brought E33 as an example. That's what this thread is shitting on.

>>728974821
>>728974841
>>728974881
Really.
C'mon guys you can do better than that.

>>728975216
>He is creating art
No he is not.
>he is expressing his creativity
No, he is not.
>and he is having fun
I'm sure he is. There are a lot of things that are fun for the mentally impaired.

>>728975264
>>728974841 here
I accept your concession

>>728975110
Unfortunately, your mission to eat slop at the trough to own the leftists is also impacting me because I'd rather eat non-slop instead.

>>728975210
>Would you agree that anything that brings down the MPG in your car, is saving you money?
Ugh. Fuck me, I meant bring UP the MPG.

>>728969670
Why eliminate the guy who draws it? Isn't it better to keep the guy who draws it but with 5x the output and have the AI cover the parts that he's not good at? Like a character designer having the AI bits pick up the slack on backgrounds. Or training a lora on the character design you've already made and hand it over to your juniors so they don't have to keep bugging you and get 70% of the work done in the draft stage. They hand it over to you, you fix the parts that aren't quite right and then turn it in to the manager for approval for the real artsy work stuff. I don't know. I don't work in games industry

>>728975110
guess what retard, 90% of the artists on earth don't do it as a job and will continue to do it, and you're gonna have to get over your weird ass persecution complex

>>728971501
AI doesn't put your mind on paper, out of all the images I've prompted none have been what I've had in my head. If it's a "close enough" image that just means you're settling which I frankly find unsatisfying if it's for a product you are paying for.
Unless of course you're one of those people that literally can't picture images in their head, then yeah AI is very helpful in that case.

>>728975210
Anon if I'm a business and I want to use AI I'm still going to need to pay to use AI on a corporate level. Artists are the literal bottom rung of any company and they are paid peanuts. Spending money to use AI tools must be cheaper than spending that same amount of money on an actual human being to do that work. But concept art is basic and requires pretty much 0 time to do.

>>728969707
Those concept artists are the ones using AI. The luddites are the ones on twitter proclaiming to be artists.

>>728974118
> it will just make it easier to weed the tasteless masses
This. I don't see a problem at all. AIslop is the greatest cultural filter of this generation. Everyone into it can be weeded out as NPC bugmen. Now if only we can segregate the AIsloppers from the civilized world we would be pretty close to paradise.

>>728964782
if anything concept art is what -shouldn't- be automated. it's like generating the blueprints for a house, then you have to actually put it together and whoops it doesn't actually make sense as a building because it wasn't planned by a draftsman it was bullshitted by a machine that won't have to actually build it or live in it

>>728975407
Theorectically you wouldn't need any junior artists because you can just train the seinor's art on their stuff and have it output based on that. If there's anything AI is exceedingly good at it's job security for anyone in a seinor position, anyone who's starting out is just kind of fucked though so just pray we don't experience any skills shortages in the future.

>>728975519
Be honest at least one of these 8 pics appeals to you on some level.
https://i.4cdn.org/v/1766280001751160.jpg
It takes enormous balls to pivot during an argument like this, btw.

>>728975532
And 20 years from now when those fat cats happily retire?

>>728969696
I know it's not cause I know that artist lol

>>728975148
>>728975354
>>728975413
Find real jobs, marxniggers.

>>728975628
those retards aren't thinking that far ahead, you can already see it in the tech field where new hires have gone down dramatically because companies are betting on ai being able to replace new programmers, once the senior programmers retire who cares because the managers will be retired by then, not their problem

>>728963529
absolutely not, fucking retarded take. say you wanted to concept some castle designs - you would research how castles actually work and the various designs around europe and then concept your own, including some little flair that's unique to your games aesthetic etc. i would fucking not, trust a gay slop machine, to accurately understand how a castle is designed and produce it accurately. plus once again as with everything it does, you don't know when it will throw you something copyrighted, patented, a cultural faux pas, etc.
read the actual fucking words presented by people who do the job from this very thread
keep this overblown little chatbot technology to things like filing meeting agendas where it belongs.

>>728973334
valid question

>>728975485
Seth Rogen, you shouldn't be here.

>>728975617
Yeah they all look alright. So who are the characters? Introduce me to them. What's the setting?
>It takes enormous balls to pivot during an argument like this, btw.
Not even that anon.

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>>728973913
If you're doing nothing, you're doing all you can.

>>728969790
For me I'll just look at the line quality and if it appears melty like you use a vector drawing program for the linework, those are signs of sloppa. And also background that looks high quality but doesn't make sense. Like you can kinda figure out some details are just diffused into existence like her skull earrings. That said if I'm doing art I'd just draw over the AI and save myself 3 hours per project.

>>728975772
That's Link's sister Aryll, with various monsters. The only other named character there is Robo in the 6th pic.

>>728974773
>>728975742
And I answered it, dagnabbit.

>>728973954
If it's dependent on continued investor support to turn a profit, it isn't self sustaining. So it's a bubble.

I would go further than just opposing AI, half of YouTube for example is just trash remixes of other people's work and most of the best selling games today are just remakeslop. There needs to be a full movement against all of this garbage otherwise we will still get people trying to do what they want AI to do for them which is regurgitate.

>>728975707
Yeah, you would do all of that - IF the castle is actually important to the game and IF your game is intended to be realistic. That's two big IFs. For the longest time games weren't trying to be perfect recreations of the real world and no one gave a shit if their castle wasn't a perfect 1:1 with how castles work in the real world, as long as it looks good to an average player it's fine. I highly doubt they did any research whatsoever when designing the many castles in the Dragon Quest series for instance.

I wonder what the overlap is between ai "artists" and people who consume short form content i.e. youtube shorts or tiktoks
i refuse to use either platform because that shit is proven to deteriorate your brain yet people keep using it for god knows what reason

>>728975859
>That's Link's sister Aryll, with various monsters. The only other named character there is Robo in the 6th pic.
So you're just putting existing characters into scenarios? What's so revolutionary to you about this? Asking genuinely.

>>728975945
So you're saying take down capitalism. Because that is the root of this problem.

>>728969856
I mean there's a bunch of artists that have already been doing it like that. No one will publicly admit because even CEO of Larian also gets dogpiled what'd you think they're gonna get away? I know of a game dev who does fetish stuff, but since he doesn't mind other people posting AIslop of his character, another artist calls the game dev out and eventually unfollowed him. Like dude, talk about getting angry on someone else's behalf.

>modern games suck
>so we should embrace this new tech that exists purely to enshittify things further

AI is not only better than some artists or most artists, it is infinitely better than every artist to ever exist. The greatest artist of all time would take a decade to create what AI does in 4 seconds.

>>728976053
I KNEW YOU WERE COMMIE FAGGOTS I FUCKING KNEW IT
NECK YOURSELF NOW

>>728969304
This is the second problem with """AI""" is the cultists who thinks it's a magic hoodoo god instead of a beefed up chatbot.

>>728976127
gm saar

>>728976052
Like I said in my posts
>>728972987
>>728970334
Reference material needs exactly 1 thing you like about it, to be invaluable.
Have one character whose specs you know really well before going in, speeds things up by just a tiny bit more.

>>728976121
That's efficiency, which is only useful if you're trying to meet demand. Art isn't about demand, you don't make it to be consumed, you make it to share your message or vision. Again anon you're not doing much to differentiate AI from fast food. I can go out and order the sloppiest pizza possible now and it would make me happy for the rest of the day but I wouldn't call it art.

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>>728975945
This. Even before AI become a problem, remix and mash-up culture was fucking out of hand. It's probably why AI was able to take such a strong hold in the first place, it appeals to that existing audience of people who only see a creative outlet as a way to celebrate consumerism rather than create something for the sake of it.

>>728976261
Phew.
Son, wait til you learn about inpainting and img2img, and how that can see the multiple timelines of a work in progress.

>>728962170
>at least until it got flooded with AIslop
it was mediocre before then

>>728976252
The fact that you're trying to respond to multiple anons with a single answer, repeatedly, betrays your worldview. Each anon was looking for a different answer. You couldn't give it because you want there to be a single simple solution to problems. That's why AI appeals to you.

The messy part is the soul. You could have gotten something out of figuring how to address each of our questions, but instead you want to rise above all the "mess" in one go It's fundamentally why techbros and executives will never understand the process of creation.

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>>728962170
Pinterest was an image search PLAGUE and I don't want you complimenting it in my presence.