>Tim Sweeney says AI tags make ‘no sense’ as ‘nearly all future production’ will be made with AI anyway- 3 weeks ago, not 3 years ago. And it came out even big devs like Larian are using AI.HuhTimmy was right, once again.
They mean generative AI, to create ingame assets.
>>728967351no shit. Just let normgroids be upset, they'll keep bending down regardless anyway. In 5 years they'll probably claim you're a chud if you dislike AI anyway. Zero self-awareness.
>>728967351Sorry Timmy, still not using the Epic store.
>>728967495You're a troon if you dislike AI, not a chud.
>>728967351>AI cuts costs! >AI is easier on the devs!>btw that'll be $70 shan't be buying
>>728967351When we reach that bridge we can cross it but until then having the tag isn't badAlso this >>728967441
>>728967351if thats the case then he shouldn't see a problem with disclosing its use
Why do leftists crash out so hard over AI?
>>728967441Exactly, nearly everyone in AAA is currently using it at some stage of production.
>>728967351Wouldn't he see the AI label as a positive thing? All the other companies in the world would tell me its the best thing ever so I think the label is actually beneficial.
>>728967683it's rightoids that do though
Why do jews crash out so hard over AI?
>>728967761...on opposite day
>>728967701>at some stage of productionAnd there should be a label if it ends up in the final product
>>728967351>people want to know they’re paying for a hand crafted experience instead of something lazily shat out by a promptNOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST HAVE CONSUMER TRANSPARENCY
>>728967761>>728967683mfw propaganda bots keep trying to convince me its [sports teams] fault
Did you know that a significant portion of Epic Games Store giveaway threads were posted using proxies? The mods revealed that many years ago.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/490729571/#490737959Really makes you think: why would that be?
>>728967836consumer transparency is woke
>>728967836>hand craftedyou mean with brown hands?
>indie dev uses AI>review bombed and sent death threats over it>reviews not even talking about the game just chuds spamming "SAAAAAR" and other old hat catchphraseshe's right
>>728967351ifs its not a big deal why is his shitting his pants over it
>>728967857Based Timmy telling me about free games in a place where I might actually see it.
>>728967351>month old articleKill yourself.
>>728967761It's both, AI slop pisses off some people regardless of what their ideology is because it's literally everywhere now and it is bad even compared to most low effort human content due to the sheer volume of it. Most people are indifferent, Indians and coombrains (same thing) are the only ones who like it.
>>728967843>>728967761
>>728967961Thanks for the reply.
>>728967906I’m also for AI (actually indian) disclosure.
>>728967920Then AI is not a good thing if it gets your game review bombed?Glad to know!
>>728967351why is this faggot always seething about steam instead of improving his store?
>>728967829Well right now a lot are using it in the concepting phase, just throwing shit together, easier to generate a "grimy glowing rock texture" than to make something perfect when you're just going to throw it out anyway. Sometimes however that "grimy glowing rock texture" was 'good enough' and no one ever bothered to go back and make a perfect version so it ends up in the final game. Then someone on twitter finds a pixel that looks wrong on a glowy rock and suddenly there's an angry mob who wants to boycott every game they made, (boycott amounts to 1000 angry posts on twitter but no actual lost sales).
>>728968056retard
>>728968059Because he spends a lot of time on twitter and feels the need to share whatever opinion he has.
>>728968105>Sometimes however that "grimy glowing rock texture" was 'good enough' and no one ever bothered to go back and make a perfect version so it ends up in the final game.So label it.
Shouldve labeled it, LOL!
>>728967351Good morning sir!
tim is a genius>say AI tags are unnecessary and just cause problems>troons take it as a challenge and start brigading anything with an AI tag>steam's hand is forced and they take them down
>>728968451Steam doesn't need to give a single fuck about this. Troons are less than 2% of the population, they will not even look like a statistical anomaly in the reviews.
>>728967829At that point you're looking at solo dev projects that build their own engine being the only ones that wouldn't have to use the label making the whole thing meaningless
I'm going to redeem this card.
Why do people seethe over AI so much? They get so riled up over it. It's pretty strange behavior.
>>728967351Timmy is always right. Thanks for Hogwarts, Tim.
>>728967351Weird how we made games for 50 years without AI just but suddenly devs NEED to use it and there's just no other way to make games
>>728967920>do thing customers hate>they voice their opinionNOOOOOO STOP I JUST WANTED TO BE A LAZY PIECE OF SHIT
>>728969076give me one perfectly good reason as to why this is a bad thing.
>>728967683>>728967761Two faggot slaves desperate to suck each other off. Also what kind of retardation is this where you think adding -oid to the end of a word makes it an insult?
kek shills are still seething about the AI disclaimer
>>728969079>customersYou're a troon who doesn't play games, not a customer.
>>728967351Who really defends Epic? I don't know if it's Indians/third worlders who use epic as their only source of video games because theyre poor or zoomers who grew up with Fortnite and think of it like their era of world of warcraft where a dogshit dev like Blizzard can do no wrong.
If everyone uses it and everyone has the tag then what's the problem?Seems like he's upset he can't trick customers or give an unfair advantage to the studios that aren't making slop
>>728967351wow one thing i agree with. too bad epic launcher is really bad and i'll never get it :(
Trannies attack game devs over AI like they tried to cancel everyone over hogwarts. Bunch of annoying freaks.
>>728969553I'm pretty sure at this point it's mostly people using Epic as a way to bait people
>>728969553Epic and Gog are objectively superior to the Steamgender community.
>>728969553Bots and literal shills.There's a reason why the mods removed the IP counter, it's so advertisers would stop getting called out so often.
>>728967351shit's stupid, all the mainstream editors IDEs, etc, have some sort of AI implementedso, you'd have to disclose if you pressed tab once while coding, or if you used the magic wand in photoshopnever in humanity's history, we've needed more than one artist per townthis is just a normal pruning of these lazy faggots who call themselves "artists"
>>728967351>>728967836Games are getting bigger in scope and take a long time to make, devs using AI will be the standard and you'll have to come to terms with that>BUT LE HANDCRAFTED ART OR WHATEVERThis isn't the 2000s anymore, you fucking faggot, it's over
Just a reminder, the amount of developers actively using AI can be counted on one hand, it's even lower with major developers.
>>728970045that you are aware of*
>>728970045according to google cloud, 90% of devs are using it
>>728968105First of all, that's all the more reason to have open disclosure of such things. And second, I will go ahead and make the argument then even using gen-AI in (relatively) minimal capacity like you're describing is dangerous for a healthy creative process.Modern blockbuster movie soundtracks are a great example of what I'm talking about. You ever notice how a lot of them sound really fucking similar? That's often because one movie will temporarily use another film's score to help put together scenes before their own composer has done much of anything. They pick a track that sounds similar to what they want and begin editing the scene accordingly. However, when it comes time to replace it with their own music, they suddenly find that the new track doesn't "feel" right or "fit" right anymore, so they tell the composer to re-record something that sounds more similar to the song they borrowed. And thereby a bunch of movies' soundscapes blur together into an indistinct much.So if everyone starts working in the concept phase with stuff that a gen-AI spit out (i.e. stuff that is 95% similar to the average of its training data), then that generic crap will begin to color the perception of what the final assets should be. Even if used with the best of intentions, I still see it leading to lots of projects coming out more dull and bland than they otherwise could have been.
>>728970134No.Also there's a reason why ai won't take off for development and that's because you can't copyright AI generated assets.
>>728970254I think you have a very poor understanding of how devs use AI. In fact that's exactly what Swen was shitting on you trannies on for trying to cancel him.
>>728967620https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/bpF79TtUzyOgIkhhZattVg/Bloody benchod, you will get no izzat
>>728970254nta but for the most devs saying they use AI don't really seem to be using it in the end product but for some preproduction stuff.
>>728970498all trannies know about AI is that it's apparently stealing money away from their favorite BDSM puppyplay artist on bluesky. that's enough for them to go on a crusade against it
Play games on a Switch or PS5. PC gaming is the same as child rape.
>>728967351How is Tim always wrong on everything? Epic needs a new CEO if they ever want to reverse the historic losses and become profitable again. Epic needs a Gaben not a Timmy.
>>728970713>the fortnite company isn't profitableKEKYPOW
>>728967351larian makes ugly gamese33 is an ugly gameso far ai can only make ugly games so why would I want anyone using it?
>>728967761This, polturds are peak luddite
>>728969516imagine being a customer. thats real troon behavior
>>728970826Before Epic had layoffs they were spending over a billion more then they made each year and now spend only a bit more then they make yearly.
>>728967351that's cutestill not installing your trash store timbo, sorry
>>728967351Okay how about this: No more mandatory AI-labels, but people can request an unconditional refund if the truth ever comes out.
>>728970498I have no idea who Swen is but if he's saying what you're saying then it's clear he doesn't quite understand ip law and how assets in general are used.That said you should form your own opinions and actually do some research instead of acting like an AI and copying from someone else.
>>728970826Epic has been losing money for years. Despite Fortnite money back in 2015 they're now losing billions on the UE5 disaster. Fortnite player counts have fallen to their lowest ever and the money is drying up. Timmy killed the company with his stupid hot takes.
>>728967351>put "AI" into everything>fucking claim that every single fucking thing made with a PC is made with "AI">btw everything has always been made with "AI"Yeah fuck off Timmy.
>>728969553indians are the ones using steam, saars love linux
>>728971002>I have no idea of what I'm talking aboutWe know, troon.
>>728971069The worst part is that trannies are not only believing him but are praising him.
Timmy based his store on giving away free shit lmao. Hows that business strategy working for ya.
>>728967351
>>728971002Swen is Larian's CEO and he said fuck all other than "we'll do an ama and explain in the new year!"
>>728967351>>728967620Why do you keep making these threads every fucking day
>>728971459Because he's a paid Tim shill.
>>728971459It's his current autistic hyper fixation.This will continue until he finds his next fixation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUdwTPxIOhI
>>728967351>all new games tagged with AI>stop buying new gamesok with me
>>728971418He explicitly explained how Larian uses AI but you troons are just on auto-seethe mode.
>>728967351You shouldn't need a retard to tell you that, it's common sense that all game dev is going to be using AI. In fact, almost everything is using AI now, there's probably AI involved in making and/or transporting your bag of cheetos
>>728967997Nah people don't like AI because the ones people see are low effort engagement slop on twitter and youtube. So AI gets the connotation of being bad. Just like how people made the connection Made in China tags = low quality a decade ago.
>>728972023Not to mention forcing it on employees who hate it because it doesn't actually work or make their jobs easier.
>>728972023>Nah people don't like AI because the ones people recognize as AI are low effortMost people probably see something AI generated every day and doesn't know it was AI generated
>>728972113It's the current investor gold rush so every c-suit is pushing it like they wanted to with block chain and nfts without evaluating the actual use of the tech for whatever they are doing.
>>728972214Unlikely, AI generated content generally sets off the uncanny valley feeling so you'd have to be literally mentally ill to not notice.
>>728972214Yeah I wish I couldn't tell. Out of 1000 pieces of AI content, maybe 1 piece on a good day will have the level of quality and care involved where you need to inspect really close to figure out that it is AI.I've seen top tier AI creations where it's truly hard to tell, and you can still tell if you inspect closely. Those are also very very rare.
>>728972214>You've probably crushed on trans people and not even know it!
>>728972590Having to put in effort defeats the purpose.
>>728967441>generative AIalmost every single programmer is using AI now for generating code, you'd be stupid not to it, incredibily easy to use and increases workflow substantially, if you're refusing to use AI you are intentionally harming your productivity
>>728968242And here we see the normie in its natural state - arguing about somehow it doesn't understand and demanding something that makes no sense. Why are all anti-AI fags so dumb? Nevermind, it's because they're normies and the hallmark of a normie is inability to entertain ideas.You've been told this 4 times now but let's try again just for fun you sweet summer child - every single game releasing after 2026 aside from solo jndie dev projects will be AI. You may as well be sleeping out about movies being shot digitally or cars having automatic transmissions or new computers having no disc drive. Asking for the default to be labeled as "default" proves you're fucking retarded. But again, you've been told this 4 times now and I doubt it will get through your thick fucking skull this time but at least I'll prove how stupid you are.
>>728967351>>728967441>>728967829Sooner or later, every company in the world will use A.I, doesn't matter if it's GenA.I or whatever you called it, even Nintendo is using A.I in some capacityAlso I don't get why ppl are demonizing A.I so much lolA.I s here to stay no matter how much you bitch about it
all games on epic should be tagged "shit" and "runs via chinese spyware" but they aren't, so
>>728972707I agree, that's exactly why really good creations with AI are so exceedingly rare.
>>728972790>>728972910>>728972992Generative ASSETS, you idiots. Of course people look up and copy code, they did that before AI assistants. I'm talking shit like art and whatnot. THAT'S what people care about.
>>728972910>every single game releasing after 2026 aside from solo jndie dev projects will be AI.And your source for this is...?Because it seems likeost developers are generally against it since it negatively impacts productivity especially where coding is concerned since it either tends to clash or be on the same level as Yandere Dev.
>>728972790No programmer uses AI for generating code. You'd have to be a fucking moron to do so. AI has found its way into being a great assistant for the coding process, but vibe coders will always be complete fucking morons.
>>728972910CGI ALWAYS looks worse than practical effects, because it is fake and superimposed, by definition.Automatic transmissions inevitably lead to worse drivers, by enabling laziness, and further abstracting them from the function of their vehicle.Lack of a disc drive is just straight up removing media options.But you're arguing in bad faith, probably just for ragebaiting purposes, though I suppose it's possible you're a paid shill.
>>728969293If AI is so good why freak out when your product is labeled as using AI?
>>728969795KEK nobody honestly believes this, try again.
The only reason I've heard for why ai shouldn't be disclosed is that it would impact sales. Why should I as a customer care about sale numbers?
>>728969902>nooo I have to defend the corporations fucking over ram and the rest of our economyyou are a shill
>>728973448Because if you don't buy the slop, they threaten to not make more slop!
>>728967351They're using AI for small things to help with productivity just like every other developer. Pretty sure the Steam tag thing is only for when AI art is featured prominently in the final product otherwise all games would have it, so no Tim is not right whatsoever.
I feel like a fucking gaming Vegan right now! Fuck, I just don't want Gen AI in my game but mow it sounds like I'm a preachy asshole!
>>728967351it doesn't hurt to have more tags. if anything, it will be a helpful way to sort out pre- ai era games, and post -ai era games. useful for people who might want that distinction, and for people who don't, it's not going to affect them
>>728972910nta but it's not the default yet, hell I'll argue it's still not the majority eitherBut anyway the issue with AI is the long fall into mediocrity we are currently living, tolerating AI shitty usage in it's current shitty working state will only bring the quality of gaming even further down, that's about it.So yeah put label on it and we will see if AI usage is really that spread yet and how many good game will come from it
>>728967620>Ai trannies think like thisTroons calling others troons, how amazing.
>>728972214>brown person tries to appeal to those 3 standard deviations above himit's alright, it's not like we expect you to get it
>>728973669Why not make it a rule then and not something optional that isn't enforced like it is now? Expedition 33 just got disqualified from indie game awards for using AI yet there still isn't a disclaimer on their Steam page because you can just choose to not do that. The current system just seems to be punishing honesty.
>>728967351>just give up and eat the slop we feed you, you're cattle anyway you can't do anything.
>>728973782>because you can just choose to not do thatand when it comes out that they inevitably used AI what do you think people will do when they find out the devs hid that fact? If it's no big deal to use it, why is it a big deal to disclaim it?
>>728967441Things like frame interpolation, upscaling, and captioning are already in the generative AI category these days. Soon it may be for things like 3D rigging, UV mapping, etc. At what point is it going to become a pointless label?
>>728973062if a game has to have a tag denoting any AI use it will include code you mongoloid>>728973219>no programmer uses AI for generating codethey 100 percent do, when you can't be bothered to write out some easy bullshit anyone can write, literally just ask AI to do it and you can move on with your day and get to the good stuff
>>728973928They did nothing. It came out literally the week of release that Expedition 33 had AI textures and no one gave a shit. They'd have gotten 50x the backlash if they'd been honest.
>>728974183>Soon it may be for things like 3D rigging, UV mapping, etc.God that would be nice, it could boost productivity for such things but the AI people don't seem to actually care about that.
>>728970861normies think e33 and baldurs gate 3 have a hot cast of characters though
>>728974286There's no way the tag is for "any AI use". Literally every game released in the past year and at any point in the future would need to have it if that was the case.
>>728974395Technically there already is AI that could create UV mapped 3D models but apparently it looks like shit right now. Don't think there's any rigging AI yet.Link relatedhttps://github.com/microsoft/TRELLIS.2
>>728973782I think on steam players can add tags to games, so it's not a big deal to add it afterwards. developers who lie about it can end up damaging their reputation so there's an incentive to be open
>>728972023Coca Cola recently spent 10s of millions of their Christmas ad with aislopand it was crap
>>728974842Rigging is gonna take a long time to get anything good, shits hard enough already and AI shits itself on complicated tasks.I'm glad at least some companies are working on it though, if they are hell bent on getting productivity out of AI this is an area that makes sense to use it.
>>728974965>get an ai generator specifically so you don't have to pay people>spend tens of millions on an ad anyways???
steamdrones will never acknowledge this since they have loyalties to storefronts for whatever reason
>>728974965why the hell did that cost them 10s of millions? I still don't get that part
>>728967620you got those fags from reseterra pretty mad with this one
I like how every time you point out that if AI Niggers are so proud to be using AI generated assets in their games then they shouldn't have any problem disclosing that they used AI generated assets they've got no actual arguments and just scream that everyone shitting on them us a tranny.
>>728967351Okay, so why does it that worry you then Tim Sweeney?
>>728975270It's almost as if AI isn't as cost efficient as the AI shills insist it is
>>728974357>They did nothing>except have game awards rescinded
>>728971653A ray of sunshine in these dreary halls.
>>728967351Then I guess I'm going to have a lot more time to catch up on my backlog since I will no longer be buying new games.
>>728967351>Everyone will use AI to make games, there's no reason to freak out over it.Ok, so there's no harm in labeling it then right?>NO STOP YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THIS WILL RUIN MY GAME.
>>728975718If disclosing AI use only serves to hurt sales of my game then what point does it have other than to hurt sales of my game? I'm paying Steam 30% of what I fucking make on my game. Considering they need me to make money they should be doing everything in their power to help me sell my fucking game, not fucking sabotaging my shit.
>>728975885If there's nothing wrong with using AI why are they fighting to not have to disclose it?
>>728974650The latest twitter tranny fit is any AI at any stage of production. Even if it's just prototype, placeholder or any other internal use. Which essentially means everything.Though I assume twitter trannies only care about the art assets and don't care for maintaining the integrity of human craftsmanship and protecting jobs when it comes to code or writing documentation and shit because those are almost certainly some level of AI generated. Nobody actually likes typing out boilerplate code or docs and most IDEs have those features straight up built in now.
>>728967620Trannies also breathe oxygen, anon. Wanna tell us something about yourself?
>>728975939Because you fucking trannies keep trying to spread lies and shit because you can't accept the idea of being replaced
>>728975885Kike logic
>>728976076>There's no problem with it>Except my game won't sell
>>728973507>shill from reseterra is projectingwe saw you idiots tip your hand already.
>>728976068>Nobody actually likes typing out boilerplate code or docs and most IDEs have those features straight up built in now.Those are some of the areas where AI can actually be consistent and usable at least for coding, there are a few more but bigger stuff it's not as useful.
>>728967351Why does Tim spend his time farming twitter engagement instead of making his games store sell more games? Is there more money there than the games store?
>>728975885if you don't make parts of your game you shouldn't get paid for those partsnow wear the star of david, you filthy jew
>>728976424>instead of making his games store sell more games?That would require the people he put in charge to not be drooling retards
>>728967351>future productionThat's in the future. Future is tomorrow, today is AI tags.
We shall fight AIjeets on the beaches, on 4chan, on xitter, on r*ddit.
>>728967620You're Indian.
>>728967857Nobody actually uses EGS so they heavily rely on shills and spam on reddit ,twitter, and here for some reason.
>>728976421Yeah, AI just doesn't have enough context to really design anything complex and if you try to do something that actually needs to use some other module/interface it quickly starts hallucinating functions that don't exist and shit. It's mostly useful as a more powerful autocomplete, automatically writing comments and maybe refactors/clean-ups. Unit tests are a bit hit or miss.From prompting I managed to get some python or shell scripts out of it. It's probably not that much faster than doing it yourself in the end, but I can't be bothered to think too hard about a one-off thing.
