Why did it fail?
>>728967515not enough players, and it was only ever fun to play as the monsters
>>728967515asymmetrical multiplayer is literally never popular
>>728967515Playing as humans felt so fucking awful
>>728967637Counter-Strike is the most popular game on Steam
>>728967707just because youre playing against russians doesnt make it asymmetrical
amogus did it better
>>728967763Different guns, different objectives, asymmetrical maps. What is symmetrical about it?
>>728967637This. I think the main thing however was that it put an intense amount of pressure on the monster player to perform well.>Less skilled monsterDies immediately after all the setup with no one getting to the good fun parts>Monster on the same skill levelRare but fun>Monster higher skill levelIIRC it was basically impossible to really pin them down before they became fully evolved and then you just got fuckedSo the problem of course was that most of the time the monster either immediately died or it was a fruitless and disheartening chase that ultimately ended with your face getting fucked.>Durrrrr matchmaking???Bitch companies can't even pair people up right in non-asymmetrical games how the fuck do you think they're going to make it work here?
>>728967873king retard
>>728967515it was very unfun.
>>728967943I accept your concession
>>728967938Sounds like literally every other game where skill levels are imbalanced.
>>728968039It was exacerbated in this game because of the All vs 1 nature of the game putting the skill on that one player at far more importance than the rest, plus the snowbally nature of the evolution mechanic, and the fact that it was largely about one team trying to kite the solo guy leading to the game being extremely frustrating 90% of the time with close matches being nearly non-existent.
>>728968039Exactly.Now imagine that amplified by x100.There's a reason the press were raving about it when they played it 4 player with all their other retarded press buddies on the floor of videogame conventions. Every magazine and website was saying it was going to be the next big thing.Then they put it in hands of people who actually know what they're fucking doing and the entire gameplay system just fell apart at the seams.
>>728967515they were roleplaying whilst developing they said in an interview, and that makes sensethe whole game didn't really fit public play it felt like
>>728968247It's crazy how much online play has skewed the perception of player skill. In any game I've played online I'm like mediocre at best, but any time I've gotten to play against random people in real life I might as well have been a pro player. And I'm not talking about people who are playing a game for the first time even.
>>728967637But Dead By Daylight
>>728967515It had all the momentum to succeed but turtle rock took every opportunity squander itThe amount of excitement for the game during the beta was huge until they announced the (at the time) absurd launch price.After losing 50% of the beta players due to pricing they proceeded to try to nickle and dime the players that stuck around while making repeated bad balancing decisions and gameplay changesBy the time they finally realized they could do a free to play model very effectively they'd already made almost everyone not care about the game and it died a slow lonely death with a tiny playerbaseTurtle Rock is a studio filled with moronsJust look at how badly they fucked up an easy slam dunk like Back 4 Blood, a game that had a cult following and a large hype train behind it before it came out.
>>728967515It was boring as fuck. Played the open beta. Only chance monster had in early game was to hide and wait to power up. So every match started off with a whole lot of waiting and nothing happening. Then there would be 60 seconds of action as the monster engaged to test the player's abilities. Then they would retreat to heal and you'd spend several more minutes doing absolutely nothing. It was a snoozefest.
>>728967707>>728968927proved everyone wrong
>>728968180>>728968247I didn't experience the multiplier you are describing. How was it worse?
>>728968574Yep. I spent my entire childhood just absolutely fucking destroying anyone I knew at any game. I was just faster than them at everything. Then I get online and I'm like a bit above average.
>>728967637>Dead by daylight>Among us>Splinter cell blacklist spies vs soldiersAnd many moreEvolve just wasnt balanced well and human gameplay sucked
>>728967515I forgot about this game, I thought it looked fun but completely missed the launch. Seems like it could be a winning idea still if the problems other anons had were addressed.
>>728967515Shit devs
>>728967515It should've also been only pve Play as hunters to kill the monster
>>728967515Lacked a PvE mode.
>>728967981>if theyre not 100% identical its asymmetrical
>>728969862Correct, chess is the best assymetrical multiplayer pvp game ever made
>>728967637One of my favorite games (mods) of all time was asymmetrical MP. It had plenty of players. Played it for years. 3.0 marked the death of it though. Total shame.
>>728969862>if there is one thing that's symmetrical, no matter how abstract, it is no longer asymmetrical
>>728967515Too early. If they had waited a few years they could have been like Dead by Daylight.
You can't have sex with her
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>>728969705>>728969680It had a PVE mode.
Not enough Wraith porn
>>728967515Monster faster than hunters. Most of the bad decisions come from this>>728970871No it didn't>You can play against a bot so retarded it will die in 3 minutesThat doesn't count, by that metric Counter Strike 2 is a singleplayer campaign
>>728971097>No it didn't>You can play against a botWhat are you supposed to play against in PvE if not bots?
>>728967515Too much focus on everything other than playing as cool monsters. Too much blatant corporate greed trying to force it to be an esports milking machine.
I wish /v/ wasn't gay, because you can actually still play the original version of Evolve (it won't let you download the files off Steam, but if you source them elsewhere, it'll work in an official capacity), and there always seems to be in some interest in it, but then nobody blacktually plays any bideo bames
It was ahead of its time. I've seen enough people in Kirby Air Riders lobbies hosting matches of pic related to know that the genre is still untapped potential.
>>728969263Depends if you went to any big 200-500 person LANs. Very easy to be put in you place at those when money is the prize.
>>728971097>No it didn't, you played against botsWhat do you think PvE is?
>>728972198Sounds like too much effort for garbage.
>>728969064Wasn't it also because of 2K?They poured a ton of money into turning Evolve into the next big thing.So it's not entirely Turtle Rock's fault. It was 2K meddling.
>>728972624Yeah but you just say that because it's a video game
>>728967515what >>728967637 said. I did have fun with its short life though>play trapper with harpoon gun>fuck up trapping the monster, team is trapped in my dome>pressure on to redeem myself>find monster again>throw down dome right when the cooldown ends>harpoon monster>looks like I fucked up again>stop monster INCHES away from my dome as it forms>winsome guy plugged in his mic just to hype me, said thats the shit that happens in trailers lol. monster said he thought the game glitched at first it was so close
>>728967515Asymmetrical multiplayer is one of the hardest genre's to balance around. Even the popular ones are either party games nobody takes seriusly (Amung Us, L4D) or super toxic balancing nightmares (DBD).Add the fact they cut up the game like a Christmas turkey and sold everything they possibly could through piece meal DLC and it put of the general public.
>>728972661Maybe, but we have examples of turtle rock being complete fuckups without 2Ks involvement so I'm leaning towards turtle rock just being fucking idiots.
>>728967515wraith was insanely overpowered because someone on the dev team had a fetish for monsterswhich is based but you need to keep that in check or it ruins the game like it did here
>>728968927>>728969330Dead by Daylight is only popular because women want to be raped by the monsters.
>>728967515not enough porn material
>>728973330Which they achieve through proxy via the asymmetrical gameplayTherefore the asymmetrical gameplay is what they enjoy
>>728973330HOLY FUCKING SHITit all clicks now, most girls I know like that game and LoL
>>728967515It didn't make the genre ____________________evolve
I miss it very muchthere will never be an asymmetrical game this good again
We must be the only people who have thought about Evolve in the past 5 years.
>>728976856not too long ago it was brought back online by a rogue intern, so there was a recent-ish burst of activity
>>728977063>it was brought back online by a rogue internLess-quick rundown?
I think the idea is workable but the key missing element is more interesting objectives. As is theres no reason to approach humans as a lvl1 monster and as a human if the monster hits lvl3 you might as well just leave the game. If there was more emphasis of fighting over and denying resources it could lead to more engagement. Ironically I think mobas are a good place to look for successful examples.
>>728977548Someone at 2K literally just turned the server on, you could play it normally over steamThen it was gone again
>>728972820I'm actually sad I couldn't experience it before it died spectacularly. Never got around to buying it.
>>728967705this, playing as a stack felt great and overpowered, playing with randoms it was fucking awful and 80% chance the monster will win. I loved watching retards missing the net, I really loved that you could callout where the monster is going and people would still wonder to africa.Playing monster is almost always fun even if you are losing because from the start you expect it to be a struggle and a fight to survive, as you grow stronger you should learn who is the weak link and who to focus the moment you feel strong enough to fight.
>>728967637R6S is still good tho
>people generally enjoyed the beta, there was a lot of hype leading up to release>game is sold for an absurd price>access to entire monsters is locked behind preorders>access to various in-game perks is locked behind preorders -at specific stores-, in order to have access to every possible perk you had to preorder the game -multiple times from different stores->lose 90% of interest on the spot>try to fix things>its too late
>>728979043How was $40 absurd?
Wasn't this the first game to introduce a season pass that wasn't for the lifetime of the game and everyone flipped their shit? Standard practice now unfortunately, but to be fair the typical season pass these days is like $10, I think they were asking for like $40 each time.If I'm thinking of the right game, I know it had some controversy.
>>728979070because 40$ was the ground level of what was actually a pay-to-win MMO. 40$ got you one third of one monster and three hunters.
>>728979402?I had all monsters and hunters, even the fat fuck added post-release
I hated deck systems and Back4Blood's card system pissed me off so much. There was much more wrong with it but that was the big one for me.
>>728977680not just that, also small bugfixes and making it easier to unlock perks
>>728979446>well *I* bought this content for 40$ in a limited sale that was only available for a short time before it was repackaged as a total of 95$ worth of contentcool, i bet you are the one person in ten who didnt drop the game.
>>728967938Just make the monster AI instead of a player and avoid all that shit entirely
>>728967515Greed from the developers
>>728968927not trying to dispute its success but everything I hear about that game is how everyone who gets really into it turns into a miserable asshole that would mail dog turds to their opponent if they could. Are asymmetric pvp games naturally like this? if so, it seems obvious why a badly balanced one like evolve would die out quick.
I really enjoyed the classes, the abilities, the maps, and the monsters Unfortunately the chasing got old fast
>Release>MONSTER OP WTF>HUNTER OP WTFand the cycled continued till tell
>>728972938>party games nobody takes seriusly >L4D
>>728968927Evolve was the dumbest designed game ever, that even Dead by Fucking Daylight got the basics right over it.Evolve sucks yet DbD doesn't because Evolve has this stupid stage mechanic for the monster where tier 1 he just runs away, and tier 3 he is overpowered. So only 33% of the game is actually balanced and the rest of the game is either decided super early because the trapper didn't suck or the monster sucked BAD or is decided at the end because the monster will just inevitably win.DbD the killer does get stronger if he kills, but at all stages of the game the killer and survivors are jostling to get advantage. The killer starts disadvantaged, but if he doesn't get kills he falls behind and survivors stay ahead. If killer gets kills, he swings the game in his favor. Most importantly, the game is not a binary win/lose but rather killer is balanced around getting 2 kills, so some games he will get 0, 1, 3 or 4 kills as well which makes the game "feel" better balanced.
>>728967515They made the mistake of selling all the cosmetic content on Steam directly, instead of hiding it all behind lootboxes you could only purchase in-game with Monopoly money. It made the MTX nickel and diming too obvious.
>>728980967>If killer gets kills, he swings the game in his favorevolve worked literally the exact same way you dumbassMonsters that played keep away to evolve would end up facing hunters with no health strikes.
>>728980967I had fun playing killer for 8 hours total in DbD but I kept getting hate tells afterwards and told by friends and acquaintances experienced with the game that I was breaking many unbroken rules. I did research and figured out this was played by girls and trannies who never done competitive pvp before and didn't understand playing to win.So I quit.
>>728981124And they wouldnt give a fuck, because stage 3 was comically overpowered on some monsters and you just won the game if you had a functioning frontal lobe
>>728967515I miss AvP.
>>728967515honestly? it was just before its time and before there was a real market for asymmetrical multiplayer games. i legit believe that you could drop EVOLVE as it is in a post Dead By Daylight world and it would have a steady and loyal player base.
>>728967515Is this the game with the tiddy monster?
>>728980967Evolve may just be air dashing around in circles until you dome then fight the monster repeat 4 times, but that's way more gameplay than stiffly kiting a dude and doing generator minigames.
the microtransactions in a paid game was a hard no.new characters and monsters, sure. but selling plain color swaps is greedy as hell.
>>728981578yeah
>>728968574>skewed the perception of player skillYou can see this online too if you play a lot of PvP games during prime degen-gamer hours. It's maybe the best shot you have of everyone at least being decent team mates. Playing for hours in the middle of the night in the middle of the week.But then weekend games get a bit worse. Day time games get worse and teams start to get bad. School getting out hours are the absolute worst if it's a popular new game. Summer gaming is just bad in generalThis isn't even getting into whole 80/20 rule. As team sizes keep getting smaller have less chances to have a few fellow nerds in the mix. So you get these terrible swings of stomp VS blow outs. I'm shocked modern match making works at all. Even more so when you factor in being online and anonymous in games leads to a lot of shit behavior like throwing or leavers.
>>728980574That's more just the case of any popular game ever. It's why it's unironically true that Mario Kart gets more heated than actual competitive games, because casuals and normalfags generally are just that desperate to win and that insecure about losing. The only thing really unique to Asym Games of the 1vX variety is that it adds the ability to go all "wahhh wahhh is he focusing me specifically I think he's focusing me this isn't fair wahhhh." Even though in practice, it's far more likely for the 1 to get bullied than the X.
