The synth was a brilliant addition to the Fallout franchise. prove me wrong.
>>728980691They spawned the rail road, the most reddit idea to ever exist in fallout. I cannot forgive this.
RobCo robots are superior.
>>728980691If they were so great then why weren't they in the TV series? Don't give me that Bouston is a long distance from California and Vegas. That Series was full bullshit and would have hammered them in if Todd thought they were good at all.
>>728981449>Bouston
I found a mod that lets me keep Curie as an Assaultron instead of turning her into a Synth at the end of her quest. The game is now improved greatly in my opinion.
>>728980691>Gen 1 synths are just bipedal robotsOkay, that's not so bad. That makes sense>Gen 2 synths are the same robots with rubber skin like the T-600'sSensible upgrade, make them look more human and interactable. It might even boost their durability.>Gen 3 synths are FEV-mutant clones of your son who can all look different. They also have super strength, super durability, never age, sleep or get disease. They are immune to radiation. They also do not need to eat, drink, and cannot lose/gain weight. They're otherwise identical to humans in every single fucking way.Hang RIGHT THE FUCK ON. I think we're missing some steps here you fucking retards! How the fuck do you go from dodgy robotics to superhuman transhumans?Why the fuck are you making super-beings to MOW YOUR FUCKING LAWN?
>>728980691It was just something they salvaged from Wasteland which explored the concept better.
>>728981640Ever play with the M.A.I.D mod?You won't regret it I promise its compatible with a few others too I'd have to dig those my mods though can't remember the others by name currently
>>728980691They were an okay idea executed in the worst way possible. Seriously, gen 3 synths might be one of the dumbest ideas in recent fiction.
>>728981917>Gen 3 synths canonically don't need any energy intake of any kind>Somehow the developers don't realize how fucked up this is for the franchise
>>728981858Shit that chop did not save rightUhh I'm just gonna pretend like everything is okay
>>728981858I appreciate the suggestion, but I prefer the base Assaultron if I'm being honest. Just a thing of personal preference.
>>728981985I have been dabbling in AI generation so long I cannot tell if this is a real in game screenshot or not.
>>728981858>>728981985>Why don't you install this immersion breaking coomer mod?The fuck is wrong with you?
>>728980691they made their own version of replicants/terminators but didn't know what to do with them so you get all the way to the end of the main storyline and there's basically no explanation for why the institute is replacing people or releasing their experiments into the wasteland and yet they're still somehow not the most retarded faction because the railroad exists.
>>728982135The institute has an official explanation of why they are doing the things they do.I shit you not it is literally>You wouldn't understand if we told you
>>728981640>>728981858>>728981917>>728981985>>728981992Coomers need to get shot. They ruin every topic with their goonshit. kys.
>>728981992There are a few Eda enhancers than can be applied to assaultron iirc>>728982025Very, real dudes got power armor stuff as well kinda been mia for a bit now last time I checkedhttps://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/34739
>>728981686>Vat grow literally just humans with a chip in their brainTHEY ARE BASICALLY TOASTERS AND DO NOT HAVE RIGHTSThis was dumb as shit
>>728982217what fucking topic? this is a slide thread you retard
>>728982208And you're supposed to be the Director of this group? At least the BoS doesn't stroke your ego while gaslighting you.
>>728982332The BoS and shit are retarded, they somehow have shot living breathing people to death and assumed they are toasters, somehow.>>728982429You're their leader and they treat you like the janitor lmao.
>>728982310*AdaI'm getting names mixed up now anymore wow
>>728982217I posted in this thread assuming that it would a Fallout 4 discussion thread - and the most memorable part of Fallout 4, aside from Far Harbor (A great DLC in my opinion), was the Assaultrons. That I jerk off to them is of no consequence. I contributed to this thread, you didn't - think about that for a moment, nigger.>>728982509I liked Ada, but Curie's accent is cuter.
>>728982332Should have skipped the vats and gone straight to brain transplants.
>>728982570The assaultrons are kind of a shitty addition to the lore.Fast bipedal combat robots with fucking insta-kill eye-lasers? That's fucking retarded. Make them a post-war institute/BoS creation or some shit.A pre-wasteland combat robot was a floating piece of shit like the Mr Gutsy's or big chunky sentry bots.
Fuckable bots in order of most fuckable to least fuckable (which I'd still fuck)>Eyebot>Think Tank*>Miss Nanny>Assaultron>Nebulous Automatrons>Sentry Drone>Securitron>Sentry bot>Protectron>all the bots of F1,F2,Tactics,BoS,76>SynthsThe * are because I don't recall the lore 100% if those are actually controlled entirely by the brain or if it is just the personality as well as cpu.
>>728982820The Think Tank bots are 100% brain controlled, they've just been lobotomized and brainfucked so much that they act weird.
>>728980691Yeah but the story is fucked up and just to maintain the mystique of not knowing what The Institute actually does.And according to the script the plan was to replace all the frail humans with synths that would never age or get sick, by the way.Also, remember that all the synths are treated like slaves by The Institute.
>>728982859Well they are still sexy physically at the very least so I make a special exception for them even if they would probably count more as a cyborg by definition than robot.
>>728980691Good addition Atrocious execution
>>728982570Yeah if you are using the mod set I think you are you can use those for Curie as well I'm a fan of the one that can have ice blades its pretty cool
>>728982962Aren't those the ones that are just cylinders on tank treads?
>>728982859The think tank brains were never lobotomized, the robo brain operation + years of isolation in bigMT drove them insane and then Mobius trapped them in a programming loop.
>>728982692It's Fallout 4, it might as well be part of an alternate timeline. As more lore is created and the old lore is denigrated, I just focus more on the things I like and try my best to ignore everything else. I didn't play 76 at all, I think I have 2 hours in it - but I know that there's an Assaultron "performer" in it and that turns my crank like you wouldn't believe. I don't know any of her lore.
>>728982025Kek
>>728983059Nope
>>728982048Sexy robots is whats wrong with me
>>728983137Oh, the weird LEXX knockoffs.
>>728981985>>728981858lmao takes all kinds i guess
>>728980691Nothing about synths made any sense at all.> we're going to kidnap people, and murder them(?) to replace them with robots> somehow this saves the wasteland> we have this crazy awesome lab that could be used to fix fucking everything> nah, fucking kidnapping and murder robotsIt's incoherent.
>>728983298Sure, but they also have gorillas.Do you have a gorilla?
>>728983298>I know people hate super mutants, but we should really make thousands of them and release them into the commonwealth
>>728983379Emil deserves death.
>>728983507Come to think of it, I can't even remember the reason they specifically kidnapped Sean/Father. WTF were they hoping for again? What a mess.
>>728983298>We>unleashes supermutants onto commonwealth >Just>massacre CPG >Want>body snatch random people and replace them with synths>To>wipe out entire settlements>Be left alone
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>>728983246My malfunction developed in a very early age I cannot be held responsible
If synths were at like Nick's level then it would have been ok. The gen 3 synths were way too high tech for Fallout.
>>728983695Gen 3 synths are actually FEV mutants, which need pure untainted humans to be created with success.Ignore the fact the institute humans are mostly pure.Ignore the countless vaults they could've pulled one person from.Ignore that they killed Vault 111's population for no reason despite them being pure humans.Ignore that FEV makes supermutants and not replicants.
>>728982217I know of some synth mods too should I go on about those?
>>728983119I didn't bother reading her lore as it's delivered in the form of notes some intern wrote in an afternoon, but you can fuck the robot for a buff.
>>728983298what I don't understand is how relatively little the actual "replace people" shit matters in the fucking post-apocalypse with no government records. like, some leaders and influential figures? sure. the average asshole settler? nonsensical. the synths could have just shown up pretending to be vault dwellers offering pristine supplies and lost agriculture advice in exchange for just random shit and done a better job helping the wasteland than whatever fucking amongus shit they were trying
>we want to make robots with free will>oh no, the robots with free will are expressing their free will!
Why can't Bethesda come up with good lore by themselves? The reason they have to latch onto old stuff is coz whatever new stuff they introduce just doesn't mesh well.
>>728984481>The institute has been replacing people for about 60 fucking years>All they've managed is two politicians, maybe 3 farmers and some randomly generated nobodiesThat's so fucking embarrassing.
>>728984456Don't tell me that anon, I really don't ever want to play 76, it's so bad - but I also really want to fuck the Assaultron in game just to say that I did.
>>728984481It serves no purpose at all. They could mass produce those synth niggas and just use them to terraform everything and make it all paradise. A 6 year old could come up with this plan.
>>728984571Right? what do they think would happen?It really boggles the mind
>>728980951built for sparking, smog-belching frame over-stress and shutdown
>>728981985I'm gonna be honest chief, this looks like dogshit.>>728984045How many boards are you avatarfagging on by now?
Yeah it could do without the skintone sections I'm not a fan of that myself>>728986358Kek, I only post Gretel if the subject is relevant, at least I try to but a few maybe usually keep to gay robot jail but sometimes I slip out
>>728981975>for the franchiseSettle down pRedditor LOL, you'd know this is some of the least stupid shit in the "franchise" if you had actually played the previous games
>>728980691Tim Cain said he thought synths didn't fit the vibe and setting of Fallout interestingly, I don't really agree but I understand what he means
>>728980691Sex bots
as usual everything in each successive Bethesda fallout shits on previously integrated facets.That one quest in Fallout 3 about the "synth" you go and capture was obviously just a Bladerunner reference then whatever shit writer was on Fallout 4 took it and shat up the concept of synths entirely and hamfisted an entire terrible plot around them.
>>728980691No anything made since Bethesda took over Fallout other than New Vegas is not canon
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>>728987895Shut the fuck up Todd you fucking halfbreed nigger.Get back to making TES6 Hypernigger edition or whatever you're making now.
>>728988069>FO4 was built from a side-quest in FO3 that itself was just a reference and not meant to be taken too seriouslyIt's baffling, imagine of FO5 was a game about giant ants terrorizing towns as it's major plot point, but how the ants existed and what they want is just glossed over lmao.And the BoS show up and have a weird irrational hatred of the ants because they ate some technology one time or something.
>>728986551Actually now that you mentioned that it could be someone else with my pictures I don't wander out of this board and post like this very often so it could be possible, harrowing thought
>>728980691>Mk1 Robot>Mk2 Robot>Mk3 Bladerunner Vat Grown Humans>plot: uhhhhhhhhhhhh we're evil but um I dunno, ship it, the consoomers will buy it (they did)>>728980816Fallout 2 is the most reddit idea. Or it was, until they changed what reddit is. Now it's no longer reddit. And what is reddit is weird and scary. It'll happen to you too if you're political.>>728980951>Ada Lovelace, aka anti-male programmer propaganda>at odds with existing RobCo aesthetics and lore, "It's got tits so I'll jerk off and simp for it!">Mechanist is now a woman's role>>728981640>Nobel Prize women's propaganda>>728982217This.
>>728981686Pretty much. First two gens were pretty good. On another note, I fucking love assaultrons.
>>728988745Fallout 2 isn't reddit-tier. It has more references than the first game but it also has a shitload more content in general, so it balances out.
>>728980691No better or worse than the rest of the garbage Fallout is filled with. Except deathclaws. The people demand pet deathclaws.
>>728988821Agreed, Fallout 2 has a lot of out of place humor but it mogs the first game in terms of interesting content so hard that I think people are kinda deluding themselves when they say Fallout 1 is better.
>>728984125>Ignore that they killed Vault 111's population for no reason despite them being pure humans.An entire vault of people untainted by radiation and they decide, nah, let's just take this one baby. Fucking stupid.
>>728988749Unfortunately for the thread assaultrons and that mod are all I have left of my fallout folder, was the only things that survived my pc transferAlso great tastes
>>728988918FO1 has better pacing and a generally better story, it takes itself a little more seriously.But that isn't to say FO2 is 'bad', it has so much more shit to do, better equipment progression and way more diversity of enemies to shoot at.FO2 does have weird balancing especially with HP-bloat, people joke how FO2 children have more HP than FO1 raiders.
>>728988972the most genius part of assaultron design isn't the boob servos, but the material at the hips to ostensibly keep the dust out that makes it look like they're wearing a combination of assless chaps and a thongfallout 4 is a shitheap but whoever designed assaultrons was an unironic robo-fucker, not the 'haha so silly' bethesda brand but the 'guy who goes into IRL animatronic design because he really wants to fuck a robot' kind
>>728988989>it has so much more shit to do, better equipment progression and way more diversity of enemies to shoot at.The thing is, that is basically like 99% of the gameplay so I think by default Fallout 2 is an overall better experience as a videogame. Although yes I do agree that Fallout 1's story is better and more impactful.
>>728989151FO2 also made energy weapons not objectively superior to guns.The addition of Gauss weapons and caseless ammo guns is nifty.
So how advanced were robots and AI in fallout, were they Strong AI capable of full autonomy?
>>728989079And for that they are far too based to be trapped within that company its a damn shame
>>728989206There were no sapient/independent AI's in Fallout unless they were building-sized supercomputers which were capable of that.Brainbots could be sapient as well, granted they are technically cyborgs not robots.FO3-4 shat the bed by making robots with personalities, which is a nonsensical thing when they're glorified toasters.
>>728988821What is reddit?Republican bad? Sex lmao? The plot of the first game was actually because of the protagonist of the sequel doing a time jump which itself is a reference to another property? Star Trek? Racism is um bad mmkay? Wacky for the sake of wacky? Revisionism and hatred of what came before, especially loathing the creators of the first game and claiming credit for their hard work? Terrible balancing, poor art whenever a new asset is used, horrific level design and pacing, IRL weapons thrown in because they're IRL and fucking ugly? Gay marriage? Orc BDSM rape?It has things that will offend the modern redditor. But it was incredibly reddit at the time. The railroad is corporate reddit but not in harmony with reddit.>>728988989>better equipment progressionEven modded the equipment progression is>you enter combat and die to an enemy with burst fire>you enter combat and die to an enemy with burst fire>you enter combat and die to an enemy with burst fire>you enter combat and die to an enemy with burst fire>you reach the NCR>you purchase an endgame weapon with ludicrous ammunition economy>you now win every combat unless you meet an Enclave patrol (they have higher sequence and one shot guns)
>>728990586Don't play FO2 modded unless it's just the unofficial patch to fix some errors and shit.And no shit burstfire is powerful, don't get close to minigunners you fucking retard.
Was fallout 4s dlc good?
>>728990838The Nuka World DLC is a glorified combat gauntlet with basically no story. I recently played Far Harbor, it had a lot of interesting elements and in some ways better than the main game but overall still very flawed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZePVyL2uEUThe part where you first enter The Children of Atom's cathedral was pretty memorable, and the soundtrack kinda had a classic fallout vibe to it. The other DLCs sound so boring I never tried them.
>>728990774>no shit burstfire is powerful, don't get close to minigunners you fucking retardThis would be much easier if we had someone play a game for five minutes before commenting on it here.Burst fire was never balanced in Fallout 1. Fallout 2 uses it unmodified. Most encounters place you "close" enough that enemies will choose to open fire rather than use their AP to move to get closer on their opening turn. Often their sequence is so high they get both the first turn and the second turn so you can't just "tank it" with the literal best armour in the game and a high HP pool.I can simply quote the stats of these enemies.>Enclave Soldier>10 ST, 8 PE, 8 EN, 5 CH, 7 IN, 9 AG, 8 LK (Male)>10 ST, 9 PE, 8 EN, 5 CH, 6 IN, 10 AG, 8 LK (Female: higher PE and AG = goes first, has more AP and one more SPECIAL point than Males)>Big Guns: 125%, Energy Weap.: 155% (Male)>Big Guns: 130%, Energy Weap.: 160% (Female: again, higher combat stats across the board for the FIRST ACTING ENEMY even in the other skills less used by Enclave soldiers)>Crit Chance: 8%I do not recall if sequence (initiative) is a dice roll or if you literally need 10PE to go first.They cannot miss, their Gauss and Burst weapons are ludicrous, this is not just because they're endgame enemies, most enemies have a completely broken and unbalanced stat spread that ruins the point of it being an RPG when they simply do everything exceptionally well.I also don't know how to treat your opinion when>don't get close to a normal enemy type - a character with a gun!is your answer to an RPG which includes melee, unarmed melee, and throwing skills. Rather than critcise the RPG itself. Especially when the game starts with requiring you to use melee until you get a pipe gun. And even then if you happen across a golden gecko, or heaven forbid a fire gecko, you're not only not going first but you're going to struggle without some very serious level and gear advancements.
>>728983298It makes perfect sense, they basically see the surface as a giant mouse maze and don't want the people to get organized so that they can't threaten the Institute. Even the ones that cope by thinking they're working towards the greater good don't want to save the people currently living on the surface, rather they think more scientific research will lead to an utopia eventually.
>>728982332They tried to do Bladerunner but the problem is Bethesda writers are retarded and the Bladerunner writers were not.
The subject material is handled poorly. It reminds me of Star Trek Picard in how fucking awful it handles the moral implications of artificial intelligence.
>>728982135>and there's basically no explanation for why the institute is replacing people or releasing their experiments into the wastelandThere is if you're smart and read in game lore stuff. It's actually pretty basic and simple>Institute exposes itself in the broken mask incident>Surface dwellers start to build a form of government, decide to invite the Institute>the Institute kills them allWhy do you think that could be?>the Institute proceeds do body snatching and replace the leaders of communities with their own people>and then releases their own experiments top side, who start attacking human settlementsDo you see the pattern now?They want to keep surface settlements reasonably weakened and divided, then under their control through Synths
>>728991965So they're the Thalmor, and their endgame is just as ambiguous? Whoa...
>>728991965what do they even want with the surface? they seem to have infinite resources, need no human labor, and have no real plans or goals for actually taking over the world. all they seem to want to do is make stupid shit like human doppelgangers, gorillas, and for some reason fucking supermutants.
>>728991940I don't think Star Trek (specifically TNG onward) ever handled it well from a moral point of view. It was more soap opera with how human lives could be made forfeit if it saved just one AI's life (as in the AI was the novelty, the focus of the story, it wasn't actually about questioning morality).I liked Kirk telling computers to die.
>>728992368Imagine Deus Ex, but the visionaries who are doing crazy shit don't have any existential reason that they monologue to the player, so the reasoning ends up just quite literally being that it sounds cool, even though in practice it's really not.
>>728992262>>728992368The Thalmor want to either conquer and genocide Tamriel of lesser races, that being anyone who is not an Altmer and eventually mixed Altmer; or unmake reality if you believe that one fan theory about the towers.The Institute just wants to be seen as this huge BBEG that could destroy anything while they're literally stealing energy from the settlements upside until you do their main quest. Their short term goal is to remain hidden and safe by controlling the surface from behind the curtain, and their long term goal is to one day fix the surface through their experiments - as shown by that one quest where you work with a farm to grow healthy crops, a farm that is said to be destroyed when they succeed (although that never happens in game). Such long term goal could be modified if you took over and the game let you continue playing in a meaningful way, but the game ends there and the best you can do is headcanon that.
>>728980691I think it could work but the execution is retarded. Perfect roboclones is retarded for a game where I'm shooting 10mil out of a fucking pipe and rebuilding cities to look like Haiti.If you wanna do some artificial brain in a real human body type shit, then sure, but the humanoid superhero robot people is a bridge way too far
>>728992368Imagine if the leader of the Institute explained to you what they were doing and why in a couple of sentences.Now imagine how hard that would be to add for a small family company like Bethesda and a niche, unprofitable game like Fallout.
>>728992483>it wasn't actually about questioning morality>>It will reveal the kind of a people we are, what he is destined to be. It will reach far beyond this courtroom and this one android. It could significantly redefine the boundaries of personal liberty and freedom, expanding them for some, savagely curtailing them for others. Are you prepared to condemn him and all who come after him to servitude and slavery? Your Honour, Starfleet was founded to seek out new life. Well, there it sits. Waiting. You wanted a chance to make law. Well, here it is. Make a good one.
>>728992652Could have had some flimsy shitty motive too like>we want to rebuild society but there's too much faction fighting, both in and out>so were slowly phasing in replicants who will help tear these factions apart, sometimes even by following the orders their given by said faction leaders>it hasn't been perfect but we have the resources, we are inevitable, and we will bring back America/some globalist utopiaThen the player character can say some shit like>that's stupid, what humanity are you protecting by killing all the humansAnd father can say >yeah, you wouldn't get it
>>728992652>I did it because I was raised toThere's probably some unintentional meta commentary here, but the characters, setting, voice acting, and visuals are so fucking bland and (ironically) lifeless I'm not sure I would care even if it were clever, which it's not.
>>728992652>he needs it spelled out for him and can't figure out a basic "show, don't tell" narrativeFallout 4 is not exactly the best game ever, but its haters are dumb as fuck
Bethesda has done nothing but ruin the franchise with every detail they add to it, only open world shooter obessed fans will deny this.
>>728992786What did it show?
>>728981686> They also have super strength, super durability, never age, sleep or get disease. They are immune to radiation. They also do not need to eat, drink, and cannot lose/gain weight. They're otherwise identical to humans in every single fucking way.I'll never figure out how Bethesda wanted to square this circle. How the fuck can't you tell they're different under a microscope if they rely on a completely different method of energy production? How the fuck are they doing anything? Like, I don't expect a random fuckhead farmer would be able to tell but if you straight up don't need to eat or drink water then something is just going to be completely different, and the BoS or some retard who found an intact biology textbook is going to notice if they look.
>>728992829See>>728991965>>728992557It's a really dumb game with basically 1% subtlety in telling the story is trying to tell or show the barebones world it builds, and yet somehow that tiny percentage is enough to filter so many people who NEED a big exposition dump to get what the Institute does. Because it's not like the amazing gameplay can distract you or something.I just don't get it, really.
>>728992829it showed they intend go subtly control society by replacing key figures like shitcock joe who lives alone in a empty bombed out building miles away from any other settlements. it was very important to kill and replace this random guy then proceed to have the synth sit around and sleep on his dingy piss soaked mattress.
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>>728992958>Because it's not like the amazing gameplay can distract you or something.
>>728993101Do you not get what I meant?There's no amazing gameplay to distract you from the story
>>728993142The gameplay IS amazing, cadet.
>>728993278I'd say the gameplay is decent enough to be tolerable, 6/10. It is a step above NV when it comes to shooting and the gun and armor mods are fun, but they come at the cost of getting rid of a lot of RPG elements - a trade I wouldn't call worth it.But it is better than the absolute mess that is Fallout 3, so at least they improved on their own work kek
Nuka-Ride had better plot than entire Fallout 4. It has multiple twists, it's more engaging emotinally, it has several memorable moments. 8/10, would recommend.
>>728993719That's way too forgiving on Bethesda Fallout
>>728993827Which route do you like more: Nora's or Norita's?
>>728992958>somehow that tiny percentage is enough to filter so many people who NEED a big exposition dump to get what the Institute doesI'd like it if when I finally meet the boogeymen that I've been told about all game that they'd share their side of the story, maybe reveal something the player character doesn't know, could even have them double down on how their methods are necessary, about how the ends justify the means or some basic shit like that.I expected there to be more to it but there simply wasn't, they're exactly as they've been portrayed to be and they're not interested in further questions.
>>728981686>crapping out super humans with no free will 24/7How did the institute not take over the commonwealth already.
>>728994698They are, unironically, retarded.
What was the Institute’s end goal?
>could YOU be a synth?No, I was stuck in a Fallout shelter for 200 years. Far Harbor was retarded.
>>728983238I thought they were based more on the Twelve Monkeys tv's.
None of the robots in Fallout make sense, since the transistor doesn't exist. Human level intelligence in robots makes even less sense.
>>728995114Can you even kill dima without acadia being wiped out as well.
>>728992697Yes and every other episode which touched on sentient AI was not that. It just treated the subject as a novelty.In fact I brought up that episode specifically because it wasn't about the kind of philosophical morality you're talking about, it was about a scientist who wanted to break apart a robot to make more robots and painting him as inadequate for the job, as befitting of a simple story where the Good Guys are Good and Strong and the Bad Guys are Weak and Foolish.A damn good soap opera.
>>728992756>Could have had some flimsy shitty motive too like>Then the player character can say some shit like>And father can say No no no. You came up with that in five seconds and it'd work. Even that is too much for Bethesda.
>>728995114The institute could have replaced your body in the cryo chamber or something. The real reason that your not a synth is because if you are against the institute and you were a synth they surely should have been just able to shut you down
>>728984571>This free-willed robot will solve all my slave labor needs!
>Sir, the people above ground really dont trust us and really hate the killer robots we sent out.>Hmm, have them murdered and replace them with copies. Surely that will change their minds. Also send out more super mutants, even though we have a "cure" to the supermutant mutation.
