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>>728981297
>doesn't like gachas anymore
>but are these gachas worth playing?
So you're an addict looking for an excuse to get back to sucking the glass dick

>>728984141
ya

wuwa I guess

the oldest bumass hoyo games are still running and getting updates
why would zzz suddenly EOS, it makes way more than those do anyways

I would say wuwa between those two. Both have their pros and cons but I think wuwa beats it out pretty handily overall.

>>728984312
>>728984341
>>728984479
thanks guys. i just want one gacha to play i guess. and i like the roller skates the character in the new trailer uses. seems cool

>>728984341
slow ass updates, they're good as dead. And zzz sure as hell haven't solved their hp inflation problem

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>>728984613
>new character every 3 weeks for a year and a half is slow updates

>>728981297
ZZZ is alright for the first 20 or so hours, the new stuff where you go to not-chinatown fucking sucks

ZZZ starts off as the better game but gets worse over time. WuWa is really flashy but super shallow. I'd say wuwa is better in the long run, but you really have to stick with it because it starts off poorly. Both games do the "we're going to release multiple characters in a row that are all meant to go together" sales tactic, but wuwa is more egregious about it.

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>>728981297
No. You dumb klaus, just play some of the classic hack n slash gifts, you have literal years of turkeys to grind and "git gud" at in those. Even the ps2 ones who didn't have as much polish as these grinchy "games" are still worth playing over them because they won't give you a gambling addiction.
Jerk off to the porn if you really like the girls and stay free and jolly.

>>728984341
zzz has the lowest earnings of any of the big action gachas on the market, and them giving away a free skin + older character buffs (again) + a bunch of pulls + another 5 star character/weapon selector (again) + an outright free 5 star who is the bis support for the latest hilariously overpowered character releasing in like a week is proof of that
if i had to pick any gacha game to play on the market itd be either shart rail or wuwa depending on what flavor of gameplay you enjoy

>>728981297
>they will eventually go offline someday
if the game is popular enough, there will be unofficial server implementation you can self-host, like with genshit

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>>728984829
eh okay anon... maybe you're right...

>>728984839
>"play" shart rail
right

>>728981297
I like both, but WuWa honestly feels like a single player game in terms of presentation for the Main story quests. It's pretty much the only gacha I let the scenes play out on auto because Kuro definitely put a fair amount of effort into making the presentation seem good.
The problem is that the beginning of WuWa is a bit of a drag.

>>728984757
It blows my mind how badly they dropped the ball on ZZZ.
>make a modern tokyo inspired game urban game, some 1.0 characters like Ellen are a masterclass example in character design, animation quality is absurdly good and unique
>combat system is horribly flawed
>every future character design is no where near as meticulously crafted as characters like Ellen, who is still the only character with her design motif extremely apparent in both how she looks and how she fights
>tv mode sucks cock but has potential
>fix the combat system by making it basically the same as genshin in terms of energy/ult gen
>remove the tv mode outright instead of just fixing it
>board management feel its necessary for every single hoyo game to go to not-china as the second main region/season, completely defeating the point of the games aesthetic that attracted attention in the first place, some areas literally just look ripped straight from genshin
>due to them removing every single mechanic or event people have historically disliked instead of making them better, the gameplay loop is even more tedious and formulaic than hsr
>sales have just been going down over time as a result

>>728985172
The thing that blows my mind about wuwa is how the gameplay is clearly designed as a more mechanically in-depth version of Genshin, which it absolutely is just through sheer virtue of there being vastly more opportunity for skill expression (more moves, quick swap potential, more combat mechanics to pay attention to, etc) but they don't do fucking anything with it. The game is finally getting another end game mode, but there are still virtually no meaningful combat events.

WuWa is basically hype moments and aura the game, the world doesn't feel real because all the characters only exist to suck off your self-insert MC and basically have no interconnection and will also disappear for long stretches of time. The gameplay is okay though
ZZZ starts off good but entirely drops the ball on its setting and plot, and its gameplay is incredibly flashy-looking but mechanically shallow and they shaved off most of the unique aspects of the game, both in the mechanical and aesthetic sense, since even before the Obligatory China Arc
Honestly speaking I can't recommend either in good faith

>>728985213
>board management feel its necessary for every single hoyo game to go to not-china as the second main region/season
It's more like it's unironically government-mandated, because literally every gacha is doing this.

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>>728985213
>board management feel its necessary for every single hoyo game to go to not-china as the second main region
Wow it's almost like the chinese govt forces games with international audiences to cultural export or else

>>728985213
By far the worst part about this is that no matter how badly they drop the ball or continue to drop the ball, Hoyo games are basically too big to fail; even if one game tanks in sales, the absurd amount of revenue they get from their others will ensure nothing will ever EoS or stop getting updates

>>728985546
At least they didn't turn their back on their fans like blizzard did and still care about the actual games

>>728985370
>all the characters only exist to suck off your self-insert MC
Don't worry, wuwa got too popular and now the writing team has been infiltrated by the usual suspects. You don't like MC glazing? Good because for the finale of 2.x, they hamstrung rover and added a mary sue to lead him around according to her plan.

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>>728985749
That's not any better.

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>>728985749
And then the very next patch after the finale filtered everyone by the latter half of the MSQ being on a date with Chisa.

>>728985839
That's what you'll get as long as you let w*men write your characters.
>>728985901
Yeah, they give you a qt jap schoolgirl that calls you sempai, but then also reveal rover was larping as a schoolboy 20 years ago. Arguably the most important person in the world as we know it that's seemingly made it his life's mission to put an end to the recurring civilization ending disasters was just fucking around as some high schooler, writing course selection guides for new students.
I'm not falling for that shit. I will not be the frog in the pot.

Pure F2P is miserable. Dropping $15 every patch for the battle pass and welkin (premium currency over time) considerably gives you more resources for your money versus spending money on anything else (aka scam). You have to treat these games as a subscription service like a premium MMO.
You have to look at the math of all currency you get as F2P then realize you don't get enough to get 1 character per patch, let alone the multiple you need to form a strong team plus their unique weapons. ZZZ at least has semi decent competent standard/free characters and lets you rent new ones for specific modes. Wuwa has terrible F2P options for characters and weapons but only makes up for it with 100% weapon banners and a slightly better gacha than hoyo games in general.
Overall I dropped both games since I couldn't muster the will to log in every day and play to finish battle passes and collect daily welkin currency. I dropped gacha entirely and I feel better for it.

>>728981297
>WuWa
The first region is fucking awful as far as i remember. I played it on release and i couldnt stand the chink chonk terms and the nu-china region the game thrown at me not to mention the sotry was fucking trash it made the genshin story a masterpiece. The "elements" each character had are irrelevant and personally, the females have this 'mark' that looks like a tatoo, which is a turn off for me.
People say it get miles better when you travel into the new area but I haven't checked in a while
>ZZZ
The game is fun at the start and the characters were cool, but it gets boring pretty fast.

Better go play another thing instead.

>>728985538
did diablo immortal and marvel rivals had their chink region?

>>728986173
I stopped spending on wuwa after the way they handled cantarella's censorship, and after they started designing new character kits. Now I just play for the story and the occasional character that catches my interest.

>>728986173
>ZZZ at least has semi decent competent standard/free characters
where?

>>728985213
>>every future character design is no where near as meticulously crafted as characters like Ellen, who is still the only character with her design motif extremely apparent in both how she looks and how she fights
Character design was consistently good up until Hugo came out since he looked like a basic bitch compared to what he looked like in Lycaon's agent story, even Astra Yao was good despite looking like she's from Shart Rail, but we gotta see what's after the idols since those are the last Waterkuma characters. It's still true that the 1.0 characters had the best designs in general, but I'd say Burnice and Zhu Yuan are a close second.

>>728986319
>cantarella's censorship
i dont remember this happening

>>728986173
In genshin you can explore the map and do archon quests with 4 star team. "Endgame" content is so bad that it's not worth spending money for.

>>728985472
WuWa went to not-Italy instead of not-China for its second region. Still suprrises me because they had quite a few not-Chinese characters already in the lineup and they just said, nah, we're skipping that shit.

>>728986502
The first region was technically Not-China so we got it out of the way from the start. The quality of the game goes up greatly once you get out of the first region.

>>728986425
Then you weren't playing at the time.
Cantarella used to have noticeable cameltoe. Kuro tried to remove it quietly, got caught, and damage controlled. It was largely glossed over in the end because it coincided with fleurdelys getting a horrible censorship job, but that one was rectified after enough community bitching.

>>728984656
People really think new characters is content... We're so fucked

>>728981297
No Gacha is worth playing. These 2 in particular are the biggest incel-pandering games on the market.
So if you're looking for something to distract you from dying alone, I guess give them a go.

>>728987128
>he declares smugly and proceeds to play fortnight or LoL

>>728986946
>New character
>Continuation of the story
>Adds new territory to wander around in
>Permanent events
>Additions to Hollow Zero
>Multiplayer mode
What would you consider new content?

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>>728986294
>Did marvel rivals had their chink region
Yes

>>728986294
rivals did but have no idea about diablo immortal

>>728981297
>ZZZ or WuWa
You can always tell when someone's making a thread to just shitpost when they pick these two specifically.
There should not be a rivalry between two games that are so wildly different, but SHiN can't fuckng help himself after he finally got bullied away from HSR and latched onto WuWa instead.

>>728986294
Diablo Immortal had like... a vaguely themed Oriental zone, but it was more "generic fantasy Asia" than full-on "mandatory CCP tax write-off" the way some of these other games do it. You can tell when it’s flavor versus checklist because no one’s giving an awkward speech about harmony and tea ceremonies in the middle of fighting skeletons. Marvel Rivals, though? Fully clocked in. Whole region, intro event, NPCs named after proverbs. They weren’t even trying to hide it.

>>728986173
I've never spent a dollar on wuwa and in 350 hours of gameplay since whenever just before the anniversary was I have 3 complete teams and I've gotten rewards in all end game modes. You don't need to spend shit. HSR on the other hand the power creep is ludicrous. Can't speak to genshin or zzz at its current point.

>>728988956
zzz is the low hanging fruit after all, big budget gacha that ran itself into the ground and never learns from its mistakes.

>>728986564
people said not-china was shit but i missed the tech aspect of it and the black shores area, im glad we're going where we are going next, got incredibly sick of high fantasy italy and rome

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>>728985213
>It blows my mind how badly they dropped the ball on ZZZ.
They listened to Mihoyogenshitters and are now paying the price. It's really that it. They released a comprehensive survey a week after the game released and a lot of the negative reviews most likely coming from Genshitters who were always going to leave the game after they got bored with it. Normalfag genshitter streamers were shitting on the game before they got into the actual bossfight where you actually have to use skills to kill the enemies. The TVs were unpopular but only to genshitters where they actually have to think to clear an area through a puzzle dungeon. The game was so well thought out but all of it was ruined because they can't help themselves but listen to genshtters. Gacha games will never be respected as games if these developers keep listening to the lowest fucking dregs of society that are Genshin "players" and if they do listen to them, they all deserve their assured downfall.

tldr: Genshin players ruined ZZZ

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>>728985472
>because literally every gacha is doing this.
Not Girls Frontline 2. It really helps when the Chinese equivalent in the story is basically an irradiated zone devoid of life lmfao

ZZZ is easier to take in small doses, get your dailies done and leave for work or whatever you need to do. WuWa is WAY more time-consuming. The farm bloat is real. If you have a day job, there's just no time for it unless it's on weekends.

>>728989796
until you have to reset 20+ times in every da+shiryu stage every week because you lost the 50/50 on the last op waifu

>>728989565
>never learns from its mistakes.
The ZZZ team consistently listens to its fans. Patch 2.5 onward is reversing course on everything fans have been complaining about. You just want to keep bitching about something you don't even play.

>>728984341
You are a retard that doesn't understand revenue does not equal profit.

>>728990040
>reversing course
ah yes, just liek 1.4 and 2.0 and now 2.5 stop trying to trick people to get onboard to your latest relaunch scam

>>728985213
what kills me is hoyofags still find a way to defend it anyway

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>>728990235
Who cares? I'll just drop it and play a real game if they still can't deliver and watch them crash and burn for ever trying to appeal to Genshitters since 2.X.

>>728990040
zzz team's idea of improvement is going to the opposite direction and completely forget what they were doing before
idk maybe some found this courageous, i call it not having a principle

Is this game pay 2 win or if you're skilled enough can you just beat everything? Like for reference I beat MGR on Very hard difficulty and Sekiro.

>>728990735
there's a battle tower you can do that in, there is no real time limit, if you get hit you die, but it is not worth playing for that alone
other modes require dps checks which is largely based on characters/gear and little to do with skill expression

>>728990735
you can, but the endgame modes have time limit so you can't

>>728989942
>have to reset 20+ times in every da+shiryu
sorry for your condition

>>728986127
>was just fucking around as some high schooler
Startorch academy isn't high school, retard. They study the fucking stuff that he's trying to stop, of course he'd be there. Why are americans so fucking retard?

zzz has hotter characters so zzz

>>728990235
>Fans: we don't like the chinkslop
ZZZ devs: ok 2.5 is the final chink arc. Enjoy your loli idols in 2.6
>Fans: This power creep is gay. My favorite characters are irrelevant now and I can't use them for end game content
ZZZ devs: Ok here's a brand new buff system linked to in-game achievements so you can buff your favorite agents, while also feeling like you earned it. Also here's a free S rank Agent and a free swimsuit skin for the Rat slut. Enjoy
>(You): Waaaaahh I hate everything (shits your diapers)

>>728985172
Started playing recently and agree, presentation is good.
I got up to speed recently with story and it is questionable to me why does 2 last story patches (2.7 and 2.8) have much more regurgitated dialogue than before(talking about same thing but in different way 3 times over). It wasn't like this in former patches

>>728991283
Chinawank could've been a good arc if only they leaned into their own setting and made it more like those comedy kung-fu movies from the 80s instead of what they did

>>728991673
trying to appeal to the flowery chinkslop writing present in their competition

>>728981297
wuwa yes, the start is a little slow but then it gets pretty good
zzz is just bad, if you play it, it becomes frustrating because you can see that there is a good game buried on a pile of shit and the developers are retarded and don't know what to do

>>728981297
both are a yes, at least until you hit the most recent content
then they it become a treadmill

>>728985749
Galbrena cute!

>>728991918
Yeah agree, it felt so fucking soulless with all the stupid traditions and ceremonies when it could have been a love letter to the old chinese Kung fu movies genre

>>728991953
Sad, I think it was better when the dialogue was concise, not to mention with their presentation many emotion/things can be presented via "show, not tell" anyway

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FUFU IS HERE

Endfield comes out in a month, just wait for that and if it's shit don't play it.

>>728992093
Hi Shin

>>728988956
It's because a wuthering thread doesn't live on its own so he always uses genshin or other so the thread doesn't die asap
Sadly he is going to latch hard onto Endfield killing it's threads forever

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>>728993653
I actually came to this thread hoping I'd turn into a pure zzz thread eventually, lots of new stuff coming, hopefully for the better

>>728981297
>they will eventually go offline someday
And that's a good thing, their designs can't lead to anything but suffering.

>>728985172
>Kuro definitely put a fair amount of effort into making the presentation seem good
>looks at pgr
lol lmao
not that it matters, pgr blows wuwa out the water story-wise anyway

>>728991283
>This power creep is gay. My favorite characters are irrelevant now and I can't use them for end game content
>here's a brand new buff system linked to in-game achievements so you can buff your favorite agents
that doesn't really change anything because the issue is in enemy/level design not the playable characters

>2,5 is the final chink arc
i admire your optimism. you never escape china in genshin and hsr.

>>728993742
ngl I'm just gonna log in claim the free shit and leave, I have hope for the devs to take their heads out of their asses someday but I doubt it

>>728994239
although I fundamentally agree that enemy how bloat/damage are a issue, the buffing of old character for them to stay competitive to currently is a good way of remedying the current situation, but now they have to police themselves in the future to not add even more power creep

>>728981297
ZZZ was very magical for the first few months. The setting is relatively fresh compared to the high fantasy or sci fi worlds of most mobile games, and the combat was pretty satisfying.

But unfortunately Modern Hoyo has no actual creativity and the game soon turned into another Hoyo game with the same shitty safe bland story, fotm shilling and repetitive chores.

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>>728981297
Go play Wuthering Waves if you want open-world action RPG with some level of skill expression.

thread over

>>728989619
A lot of misdirected anger here. I fucking wish ZZZ had stuck to the great niche they'd built before 1.3 but they ruined it.

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>>728994168
PGR from chapter 8 to about chapter 20 was fucking amazing, exploring Atlantis with Vera and the lead into Survival Lucem was so so so good
Everything since then was downhill especially when they got rid of whoever was doing their amazing designs and started pumping out overdesigned chinkoid fantasy slop

>>728994632
If ysg is any indication they already failed, compared to the last agent released. she does 5x as strong and can be played with one hand. zzz is never getting better

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If you're just starting, WuWa will let you skip directly to 3.0, but I would suggest, at least, you play 2.X first because it's KINO af.

>>728995116
nah
chapter 26,31,33 are literally the peak of the story
and survival lucem is overhyped

I don't even care how much zzz earns (on ps store lol lmao)
The game is dead, sacrificed everything good it had to become some another gacha live service slop

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>>728995818
Survival lucem itself is overhyped but all the events just before and the payoff at the end are raw kino

I didn't like where the story was going after the tower was resolved and ended up falling off during Noctis chapter because goddamn I have seen enough spaghetti westerns in my life and as much as I like cerberus it felt like raw filler

I've been thinking about getting back in and trying to force myself through it but all the new character designs besides Luna look like crap

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>>728996201
Floating records are mostly filler chapters, I rarely like them yeah (at least some of the newer ones like Jetavie’s and Vera’s were pretty good). Chapters from 22 to 25 are also pretty meh, but after that it gets very good, especially if you’re an Uchikoshi fan you’ll like 26.

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>>728981297
Dropped zzz after 1.4 but I'll come back for a bit for free bnuy and jane skin. Played wuwa since launch. My thoughts:

ZZZ pros/wuwa cons:
>better character designs, although 2.x has been weaker than 1.x. But I still give it the nod over wuwa.
>cool vibes and style
>story starts off way better than wuwa's, whose 1.0 chinaland story was a mess. ZZZ is smaller-scale, more street level, with protags with stronger personalities and a cast that interacts more, which is pretty beneficial. That said, people don't seem to like the 2.x chinaland stuff as much, and wuwa's 2.x story has reliably great execution, both in cinematography and a decent gameplay:story ratio. If you love ML and waifus sucking your dick, you'll think wuwa's story is kino.
>teambuilding is probably more interesting. There's actual system-level mechanics creating synergies and anti-synergies, which are largely missing from wuwa.
>more visual clarity in fights
>more ass jiggle

wuwa pros/ZZZ cons:
>Gameplay, generally. Open world to explore in wuwa, obviously. That helps. ZZZ devs started with TV mode, which kinda sucked, and then nuked it, which also kinda sucked.
>Combat. Characters have more in-depth kits with more options, and there's a higher skill ceiling with quickswap teams which can get pretty cuhrazy. I find it a lot of fun. ZZZ combat has some things I disliked like chain attacks and the super system.
>wuwa devs haven't really made any notable balance mistakes, it's just steady mild powercreep.
>great graphics
>can skip EVERYTHING

Tie:
>Music. Both solid 8/10 OSTs of different styles (though wuwa's chinaland music kinda sucked)
>They're similarly generous. Not giga kiked like genshin.
>They're still both gacha games that want to fuck your ass, steal your wallet, and waste as much of your time as possible

The key takeaway from this comparison? Going to chinaland makes your game suck and it will immediately improve when you leave chinaland.
have a chinese meme i don't understand

>>728985546
Sure, but you need to have a pretty warped perspective on sales to think ZZZ is anywhere close to losing money.

>Not giga kiked like genshin
>the game where freemium 4 star characters from 1.0 are still top tier
what did xhe mean by this?

>>728985749
This is the opinion of an unrepentant schizo

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>>728985213
the chinawank shit is barely present in zzz and completely overblown by people, the game has focused way more on other groups in 2.x
we had two patches dedicated to spook shack even
ellen is good but jane was where they peaked and they will never outdo her in any game so long as hoyo lives
there wasn't anything fun about tv mode. it was just a net negative to the game's overall flow. the problem isn't that they removed it, it's that they didn't replace it with anything. explorable hollows are nontent.
>some areas literally just look ripped straight from genshin
like fucking where
suibian temple, which is specifically designed to look like an ancient chink martial arts temple?
i can't even think of anywhere else you might be referring to

I wuwa good on controller? My RSI wont allow me to play spammy shit on kb/m

>>728999069
Yes. You'll be pressing button combinations to execute a move or ability though.

>>728981297
>they will eventually go offline someday
Yeah, but with popular gachas by the time they die you would be bored of them

>>728998736
I meant pretty directly what I said. Both games give you measurably higher amounts of rolls. ZZZ also gives away bigger freebies, and wuwa requires fewer rolls per char and makes dolphin level stuff like weapons and the first 2 dupes much easier to get.

wuwa is getting 3.0 in a few days great time to jump in and play and get a bunch of free pulls

>>729000108
Im already bored of Genshin, why would I get into a genshin clone?

>>728981297
ZZZ is only worth playing if you're into optimizing your performance for high score autism.
Wuwa is only worth playing if you enjoy MMOs and doing the same cookie cutter rotation over and over until the enemy dies.

>>728985370
>and its gameplay is incredibly flashy-looking but mechanically shallow
Saying that when comparing it to Wuwa screams skill issue.

>>729000382
NTA but I'd say they focus on different types of skill. Wuwa has literally no system level mechanics that make shit like elements matter, they're just different colored damage. Teambuilding is just slapping together char A whose personal buffs help character B, or even ignoring that and just smashing multiple DPS together. But the execution ceiling in quickswap teams gets really high, you can basically be playing 3 DPS at once. And holograms are hard survival checks.
ZZZ is closer to the genshin end of the spectrum, where more of the complexity comes from choosing teammates based on universal mechanics that create interesting synergies, but the characters themselves tend to have smaller movesets that are less likely to be designed with useful swap windows. I'd call zzz's execution ceiling lower, but its like... "game knowledge" ceiling higher.

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I've got nothing to say about ZZZ. I stopped playing after that hacker story at the beginning.

>>729000861
>I'd call zzz's execution ceiling lower, but its like... "game knowledge" ceiling higher.
Post DA scores.

>>729000108
>0mg the anniversary event is giving away 11 FREE pulls!! Time to invest 750 hours in this gacha so I don’t miss out on the freebies! It’s so WORTH!
Niggas be like

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>>729001081
3.0 isn't an anniversary patch... That'll be in May...

>>728981297
The ZZZ character/gameplay designers really lost their touch. I haven’t rolled since Alice. I mostly blame the rupture meme

I played both, quit both.
Wuwa because it's way too derivative of Genshin, the Unreal graphics made me itchy, and I'm too white to resonate with the harem slop story.
ZZZ because they ruined the comfy vibes they had at launch, Miyabi was a mistake, China was a mistake, devs listening was a mistake.

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>>729001179
Dialyn and Banyue are both great designs.

>>729001275
Overanimated

>>729000240
im not a paid shill do whatever you want fag
>>729001081
>sperging
you make such a good case for paying 70 dollar crap shoots of whether or not the pc port of a console game will be a busted mess and run like ass

>>728997956
>more ass jiggle
except every new design has a buttflap covering their ass. including the new jane skin which has a stupid fucking skirt to cover her whole ass. the base skin is unironically less censored.
>wuwa combat
wuwa has worse combat mechanics than zzz
>both solid 8/10 OSTs of different styles
zzz put out maybe 3 good OSTs on release and nothing even remotely good ever since, wuwa has maybe 2 good OSTs total
both games are pure dogshit and only gacha/anime tourists who never played anything good would rate them as "8/10"
kill yourself

>>728981297
Wuwa made me believe in raytracing

>>728981297
Wuwa is worth playing, ZZZ is the unloved child of Mihomo

Alternatively play Endfield next month if you want to be a day 1 player

>>728981297
Going offline is such a far flung future concept for some of these high budget gachas that I wouldn’t even worry.
The bigger concern for me has always been FOMO, especially with story content. The audacity that some of these gachas have with trying to tie everything back to a narrative and character development, while actively making it impossible to follow those story threads due to some story content just being made unavailable, is actually absurd to me.
Destiny is probably the worst at this, actually deleting like the first half of the story and just throwing new players in the middle with zero explanation.
>who plays these games for the story lol
I get that gacha and f2p stories are not the cream of the crop, but with how much effort studios put into characters/voice acting/etc, it just feels schizophrenic to delete story beats and expect players to go about their day.
All of the above is not even considering the additional aspects of FOMO, like skins or promo content just being wiped from the face of the earth, missing entire characters and events and hoping that they rotate back in, etc.
All of it is incredibly predatory and the reason I just cannot abide gachas in any form. I’ve played Genshin at release, Limbus, Puzzles and Dragons, etc.
It’s all the same and you’re always left with this crappy feeling if you miss a piece of content due to having a life outside of one single game.

>>729001275
Force soul animation

>>729003656
Unloved? ZZZ is constantly getting all the QoL updates that we want in genshin

>>728999003
>there wasn't anything fun about tv mode
retarded genshitnigger

>>728981297
no
zzz is pure dogshit in terms of grinding
and everything sucks since 1.3. every character is ugly and censored
and wuwa is fun but its a gacha and you have to do dailies for a few months at least
but it plays like a jrpg and is the closest you get

>>728981297
no
they are shit

>>729004757
you are shit

>>729003503
>wuwa has worse combat mechanics than zzz
LOL

>>729004794
he's just a hoyoshill

>>729004820
>>729004794
the worst part about zzz is the battle with infited enemy health

not to be a hater but zzz giving away free skins its dying and eol within a year or two

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>>728981297
Game is literally black culture garbage that flopped so hard it has had 2 relaunches and they are about to relaunch a 3rd time

>>728981297
All those gachas with instant characters swap is not worth playing.

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>>729005189
agreed
and even this free """""sexy"""" skin is censored lol
eos this shit

>>728981297
games like these are all fun for like the first two months
after that it'll become daily login and chore simulator
I mean in that way it's similar to "normal" games, that you eventually are done with it and move on to the next game
but the difference with gachas you'll never find any conclusion unless you keep playing
if you don't mind that go for it

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For me, it's CZN

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I just started playing WuWa a week ago and the story is absolute peak. I feel bad for anyone who misses out on this because "gacha bad".

>>729004794
zzz has shit combat mechanics but acting like wuwa is any better is pure fucking delusion
play pgr if you want real combat

>>729006070
NTA, but WuWa is clearly better than ZZZ. And PGR isn't really better than either, unless you're just goofing around with Dante or Vergil, considering the game is based around strict rotations and fullscreen nuke spam.

>>729006351
isnt wuwa isnt based around shitty genshit like rotations? same as zzz?

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>>729006012
Rinascita was legit good

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>>729006382
WuWa characters actually have field time, as opposed to 3/4 team being EQ bots.

>>729006683
>omg i have to press auto attack 5 times on jinshi before i swap her out to my e/q/outro bots
stop deluding yourself retard, both games are pure shit made for low iq morons and women
pyro lucia has more depth alone than all your genshit wuwa rotations combined

tencent really need to hire better shills

>>729006928
Yes, seeing as the character actually has to interact with the enemies/boss, retard. Even "outro bots" still have to be played and build up concerto energy. The thing about PGR, especially with the newer constructs, is that you effortlessly raw dog enemies to the point that they can't put up a fight. So you're just 100% focused on doing your rotation, rather than fighting and engaging with the enemies. A-rank constructs might be weaker and have simpler rotations, but playing them is far more run than newer S-ranks these days.

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>>729006012
I'm just hoping Kuro didn't blow their entire load on 2.X. I want more kino quests like 2.2.

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>>728981297
You shouldn't play any gacha. Go through the Tales of series and switch your playable character if you want the ability to button mash as an anime girl, or dig up some random action games from old console generations.

>>728981297
I uninstalled ZZZ last week. I couldn't stand doing the endgame modes anymore. Fighting the same bosses every 2 weeks only with slightly higher HP each cycle gets really dull. I fell behind on the events too. They're just slop minigames derivative of existing video games that I'd rather play instead. That turn-based combat event a few weeks ago was so shamelessly inspired by E33 that I couldn't finish it. Everyone here already voiced their opinions on the story. It's just completely dog ass boring. The inconsistent presentation doesn't help it either, with the models just standing around unvoiced most of the time. Even Genshin has better presentation with its storytelling these days.

What a waste of potential this game is.

>>728981297
Wuwa player here, the story sometimes is mess sometimes is not but the one consistent thing is that YOU, the character, you are the main protagonist of the story and every girls is for you. so you don’t have to concern about being replaced by some faggot aero samurai like genshin

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>>729007604
>or dig up some random action games from old console generations
I'm playing Crymachina actually.

>>729007604
>Tales of series
Much worse production values and order of magnitude less content.

>>728981297
>zzz
Sure but there's not much content
>wuwa
Lol no. It's the equivalent of those generic f2p korean mmos that used to copy wow in the 2010s

>>728981297
>is gambling garbage worth playing
No every single time, play actual video games instead.

>>729001321
Underbrained

>>729007763
Daily grinds aren't content, they're chores

>>729006012
>story is absolute peak
It's good that Wuwu serves as a containment for turboplebs like you.

>>728985213
>not-china as the second main region/season

The thing is there is plenty of modern chinese punk inspired settings that could be used, like doing Hong Kong triad subplot or a corporate conspiracy in a ultra modern CBD, but instead they did templeshit with magic powers and muh exaltists

>>728989775
Snowbreak technically hasn't gone to not-china either.
The world as a whole is kinda a cyberpunk hellscape with little in the way of civilisations and anything cultural is just set dressing by A.I. or corps to sell more shit.

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Fill me in on MHY removing Japanese themes in HSR and how will it affect JP themed stories in other games moving forward. Last time I checked, Dawei is a CCP member since 2021, and given the anal burn between China and Japan right now, JP-related content will likely never happen in MHY games.

>>729008334
Hoyokeks really shouldn't be giving their opinions on another game's story.

>>729008793
>Fill me in on MHY removing Japanese themes in HSR
Made up bullshit.

>>729007730
Marketer post

>>729008925
So what's the reason behind the delay of 4.0?

>>729003656
Damn shin really is going to kill Endfield threads kek

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>>729009107
I'm more interested in Silver Palace and I signed up for the beta test (crossing fingers I get accepted). Endfield is kind of chinkcore and too furry for me.

>>728981297
No.

>>729009236
Oh yeah I know you are trying to latch onto Silver Palace too and any other potential gacha to shill your crap
Luckily you ignored the horses (or paid mods to make sure to remove uma threads)

>>729009313
But actually my most anticipated upcoming gacha game is R******** ******e.

>>729008303
>fuckhuge openworld map and literal hundreds of hours of quests are daily chores
0 critical thinking capability

>>729009236
Endfield gets points for having your party on the field and also including firearm characters but from everything else we see, may have the grindiest combat of any gacha thus far.
Silver Palace looks cool but won't be coming till 2027 and will probably end up sharing a release window with Project Spirits.
Open World gacha are already in danger though, chances are that most gacha will go back to linear shorter levels.

There will never be a good TPS gacha and TPS games that are cool or fun are already rare.

>>729009486
Snowbreak is a TPS right?

>>729004732
>>729003503
>>729004794
>>729004820
>>729005056
Indian shill post ragebaiting

>>729009620
Yes but its simultaneously too late to get into it or so I feel and that the design of the combat isn't every good.
Anime sci-fi has nothing like it but Snowbreak relies too heavily on the characters have special abilities most of the time. To the point that the cover mechanic is entirely redundant but the movement is still so stiff that it doesn't make up for it.

I also struggle with the level of pandering the game has, I like some of the girls but every single character in the game gets wet at the approach of the MC and it feels psychotic.

>>729008805
>Unable to accept criticism without crying about muh hoyo

>>729009696
good morning saar
how is life in the slums of mumbai?

>>729009885
And where was the criticism?

>>728994683
I miss tv mode
I miss the forced timeslots so I would actually go live out my day in the town instead of teleporting to day or night.
I miss 1.0 town music
I miss agents glancing at me as battles start I can't remember the last time the long stare scenes happened.
I miss my old npc brokers.
1.0 was perfect for me and then they chipped it away I barely play the game these days and I'll probably be done after this next patch

>>729009885
It's pretty much their only identity at this point, it's why the community is so dead

>>729010642
oh and I miss the arcade

>>729010774
>samefagging

>>729010642
Right? It's not just tv mode is almost everything, they butchered the presentation to please the gacha live service slop faggots that don't even like the game

The not using the arcade and just endless churning out slop chore mini games is the fucking worst

>>729009059
Unknown.

>>728981297
If you want a ML harem story where you self-inset as a Korean power fantasy protagonist play Wuwa.
If you want a story that tries to be something more than that but is just not very good play ZZZ.
Combat wise it'll be down to which you enjoy more, but ZZZ is a bit better thought out in my opinon. Wuwa has some elements that feel tacked on.
Events are better in ZZZ too, if you care about that.

>>728994683
>But unfortunately Modern Hoyo has no actual creativity
I think you mean they have no balls. Because that magical first few months was what the dev team came up with. They switched because their vision was less important than sales.

>>729005969
>LITERAL NTR game
lol

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>not a gacha
>every character is unlockable
>kino story
>decent gameplay
>kino music
>kino worlds
>sex character designs
BUT THEN
>chinkshit for 3 patches
fuck you

>>729013114
Maybe they're anticipating the lunar new year.

>>729013114
90 percent of people who see anything to do this game don't even understand it's not a gacha. The studio should actually just market itself that it's not a gacha.

>>729009413
>ITS SO BIG SO MUCH TO DO
and basically none of it is good

>>729011423
But enough about you Shin