I wanna try one of these loot games, but which one is better? I have D4 free on PSN, but I don't know of PoE2 is on PS5 yet I wanted to start with these because loot games usually seem to be more sci-fi than fantasy.Any other recommendations?
>>728984091diablo 3
>>728984176are the servers on that still running? Do you need a battle.net account to play it?
>>728984091>excrement or liquid shit?
20 hours=last epoch40 hours=d4infinite hours=poe(also you should use a guide for this game)d4 has a lot of trap options but poe is just layers on layers of nonsense you need to know
>>728984176FPBP.Diablo 3 is fun. Both PoEII and D4 are a fucking slog.
>>728984091just play d4. poe2 is paid early access for a free to play game, just think about that shit!
>>728984091they're all shit, there are no good ARPG's on the market. Both of those games have the same problem, you build your entire character around self-buffing and then spamming one single overpowered ability endlessly with a hundred extra procs.Its painfully boring. And both games have you moving at half the speed you should be to have fun with it.
Each has their own appeal.I tried Diablo 4 and while it has a LOT of things that irked me coming from PoE2, here are my observationspros>much much faster moment to moment combat; playing as a spiritborn and by lv 20 I am already zipping through mobs like a god, which brings to another point>melee is simply better because you can face tank through mobs and the game isn't designed around dodge rolling to evade damage>cosmetics is a lot better in terms of freedom due to having transmog as well as the variety of paid cosmetics. PoE2 cosmetics are not only garish and ugly, they cost just as much as D4's>you can skip the campaign on repeated playthroughs so that you can hop into the new league immediately, unlike PoE2 where you have to suffer through the main campaign every time>neutral>the game is hypercasual like D3. If you just want pure power fantasy, you might prefer this over PoE2. You can reach all your relevant abilities in a few hours so it doesn't take an eternity to experiment with your builds>Combat is very fluid and clear, so even with all the particle effects you can see what's going on screen>Cons>the UI is absolute mobile dogshit compared to PoE2, like seriously even D3 felt more stylized>the lack of personality between each class makes your character feel absolutely detached from the setting. Seriously, none of the characters feel like they give a shit when talking. Say what you will about D3's character quips but they had their charm sometimes, especially the femWizard. Even D2 had unique dialog per character. >Which brings it back to the voice acting. PoE2 voice acting imo is just vastly better. It doesn't help that D4's 1st act is a not!russian zone and you have to suffer to extremely fake russian accents>Combat in general feels weightless and too arcadey compared to PoE2. None of the monsters feel satisfying to kill which doesn't help that the enemy roster this time doesn't feel as interesting as previous diablos.
just play d4. if you're new to arpgs you'll enjoy it
>>728984647D3 for more hate than it deserves. It was actually based and a solid game. Contrairians have to contrary.
>>728984091POE2 is a much better game but man do I just not have the energy for it after turning 30
>>728984091Both are fun in their own ways.The pressure of competition will likely force both of them to continue to get better as time goes on. Current D4 is a far better game than it was when it came out. Same for PoE 2.
Diablo IV is so much better, it's also on sale so everyone should buy it!
D4 is really fun I am a white male paladin
>>728984091Play Diablo I, then Diablo II. If you're looking for a turn-based root of the genre then play Rogue.All of the present day ARPG's are total fucking shit and complete time wasters.
>>728984541what do the hours mean here
>>728984890So, just curious, but are there pets in game?Both have an incredibly bleak tone right? Won't affect my choice but both worlds are total shitholes right?The big thing keeping me from playing D4 is the forced battle.net integration, I have IRL friends on there and internet friends on my psn, Not sure if theres anything to do to keep both hidden from each other, especially since as a gay guy, I'm not out of the closet irl
>>728985165how much time you want to spend playing the game
>>728985165Which game is better based on the amount of time investment you put in them.
>>728985163Im just looking for something that involves loot-based gameplay and is possibly online
>>728984961Vanilla was dogshit, early RoS seasons were great and with all the power creep it got worse, but still decent.
>>728985163I have a MASSIVE girthy cock and I play only D4. If you want a big cock you should play it too
>>728984091PoE 1 is still the better game.
>>728985190There are pets yes.In terms of bleakness, PoE2 easily wins but I am also surprised by how dark D4 is compared to D3. It very quickly becomes hellraiser whenever demons are involved.
>>728984091I’d fully recommend Diablo 4. The Diablo series is among the best loot-based games ever made.
>>728985307That said, while I do think bliz did a good job with the environments, it's the monsters that they dropped the ball on. Not even comparing it to PoE2, but compared to D2, the monsters in D4 simply aren't scary looking. They're the same goofy looking enemies from D3. Always bright looking for easy visibility, with barely any gritty look to them. The demons especially look like they're made of plastic. None of the weird uncanny valley of monsters in D2.
>>728985301You ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
>>728985227Though it feels like I might as well just stick with the old Fate games from wildtangent
>>728984091I've never played any game in this genre before but Diablo IV just felt like a glorified Cookie Clicker, so not that.
>>728985227>possibly onlineyou are the reason video games are shit. Besides, Diablo II has online play. And Diablo I too. Since you're a shit eater just play whatever you want, you casual fucking tourist.>>728985261here is your you. I'm generous.
>>728984091Both are horrible games
>>728985520Nta but people these days just want live service games that track their progress for years.
i love diablo 4
>>728985579And it is okay. 90% of all humans are shit eating imbeciles. Humans dumber than a dolphin. Let them eat their favorite branded slop.It is funny to me, that they're gatekeeping themselves from better experiences, however.
>>728984091poe2 is fun for a while, worth a tryendgame still kinda meh though IMO, lacks interest and balance has remained stale (lightning deadeye run fast zzzzzap!)
Really tempted to swipe for this one.
Also really brave of blizzard to have the spiritborn to have an excuse for a class where 90% of their armor is just bikinis.
is there a way to hid the friends list of battle.net and psn from each other?
>>728985881Do it sis, it looks really good!
POE is okay but only the mentally ill or the financially-motivated RMT botters keep on grinding that shit endlessly, claiming "endgame is where the real game begins"no, the game is where the game is. Endgame is for autistics and RMT botters who are trying to make money off of you.
People who play arpgs on consoles are fat
any of these not just a cooldown/pick-best-gear simulator
>>728986957the entire point of aprgs is the loot though. But if you don't like cooldowns, then play D4. You have generators and core skills which you can pretty much spam indefinitely.
should I just play immortal instead?
Lightningbolts shoot from my fingertips!
>>728986729D3 and D4 unironically work really well with a controller.
>>728985195>>728985205but I have 300 hours in last epoch and only 120 on pooe
>>728984091Poe 2 has a lot of problems but even in its current state it significantly surpasses Diablo 4 or any other modern ARPG.>>728986957You'll be fucked if you just just spam cooldowns and use whatever random gear in Poe. Endgame basically requires you to find some kind of cheese or strong strategy that allows you to scale damage and defence.
>>728986665>endgame is for autisticsARPGs are for autistics. Neurotypical people can fuck off and go play CoD or FIFA or whatever.
>>728985002Same here. Can't imagine people coming back to it en masses with such a long campaign and sometimes attention demanding gameplay.
i dont like the boss fights in diablo 4 but i like the rest of the game. diablo shouldnt be hard
>>728985163imagine seriously suggesting this to someone new to the genreget a grip
>>728987794Same, but chunking mobs into giblets is so fun though
wait, is PoE1 still getting season updates?I thought it was taken offline for some reason, why did they make a 2 then?
>>728988163this is how the genre started. Diablo I was all we had in the 90's. Get a reality check, faggot.
>>728989161Poe 2 still hasn't been released and Poe 1 only gets recycled stuff from the new game. Initially Poe 2 was planned to be just an update for Poe 1 but then it became too big and different for that.
>>728984647D4 has gotten a lot better, it's feeling more like Diablo III as time goes on. My Paladin build right now just tosses out these arcs of holy power in every direction constantly, meanwhile I have other stuff that keeps up a buff that turns me into an angel. Feels fast and powerful, like I did when I played Crusader.
>>728989847so just stick with poe1 for now?>>728989867any build advice or is it pretty flexible?
>PoE has infinite hours!
honestly been playing lumines arise while deciding what to do, do these have random generated dungeons?
>>728989894>any build advice or is it pretty flexible?Up until 60 you're fine just playing around with whatever, experiment. Then at 60 start looking at builds. I'm running a Brandish build: https://maxroll.gg/d4/build-guides/brandish-paladin-guide The good thing is that you only need one unique to get going: Supplication (a 1h sword). That's what changes Brandish from being a single arc, to being arcs flying out in every direction. I'm doing mine a little different from the guide to give me more survivability, and also have a bit of Thorns stuff going on due to a cool unique I found. I'm able to just completely stomp Torment 2, but Torment 3 feels a little dicey right now.
>>728984091PoE2 is in a very bad state right now and you can just head over to the general to see why everyone hates it.D4 is a lot better than it was at launch, but is still shallow as a puddle. If you're looking for a dadgrind game it's okay.
>>728989847after how much Johnathan has been bumbling POE2's beta I can see why Chris Wilson only wanted it to be a graphical update to POE1.4 updates in a year is faster than a Finnish developers like Mojang or those ex-mojang guys who made Valheim, I guess, but ggg needed to be hammering updates out WAY faster pace than 4/year with how much was missing.
>>728990184dadgrind? sounds like poe1 is the better game?
>>728986729Arpgs are better on consoles with couch coop
I actually tried PoE2 over the free weekend and quit halfway into Act 3. I sort of had fun, but there were too many issues for me to care. Chiefly the game was blatantly unfinished and the thought of having to rerun the campaign again every new season just puts me off because the campaign SUCKS.Haven't played Diablo 4 since the spiritborn expansion, but it does a lot of things better like visual fidelity, interesting plot, likeable characters, and not being a janky piece of shit. Seriously, whoever thought ARPGs should play slow like Dark Souls is retarded.>b-b-b-but end game PoE2 is fastYeah, so why not make the entire game like that instead of constantly nerfing shit to fit Jonathon's "vision"?
>>728989867>Diablo III as time goes on:/
Does diablo 4 have anything closer to D2 necromancer skele spam?
>>728990298Dadgrind as in you can just play for a few weeks each season and have fun. PoE2 is autistic and you'll need to spend a lot of time mapping and trading to get good builds. Most normies quit as soon as they're done with the campaign for a reason.PoE1 is better than all of them, but it's in maintenance mode right now. I wouldn't bother playing it unless it's your first time.
>>728984091neitherpoe2 is a game with no direction, just a mangled mess of half assed ideasd4 is a polished turd, d3 gives a similar experience but actually fun
>>728990184The only real problems with PoE2 right now are that the endgame is kinda flat and easy and the new league is a pretty boring and unrewarding. The campaign is still the top campaign in any ARPG ever, and that alone will take any new player an easy 20+ hours, even incomplete as it is. The PoE2 general just has a lot of doomers who hate it because it's not an exact copy of PoE1.
>>728984890an actual review, I'm impressed. I don't intend to play D4 but I appreciate your autism.
>>728990478People hate it because it is an exact copy of PoE1.
>>728990346>claims to have never played PoE2 before the free weekend>yet is somehow knowledgeable about memes relating to the game director>proceeds to shill D4Hmm. Curious.
>>728990520I guess it's both, in a way. Something for everyone to hate, how delightful!
>>728990524fat bald retards vision is older than just poe2. there's a whole 13 years of poe1.
Both games are fun to play for their campaign. Diablo 4 lets you get a build going much easier in the endgame than Path of Exile 2, but once you get the build going it's just boring. I genuinely don't understand the people who waste their time getting HYPED for NEW LEAGUE BRO and they grind away for some ridiculous reason. Path of Exile 2 is fundamentally a worse game. I don't think the developers even know what they want to do with the game.
>>728990478The end game is just mapping 24/7 and the campaign can be beaten in a weekend. Now have fun redoing it every season while praying GGG doesn't nerf your favorite build.
Who cares, you ARPG niggers literally only play ARPGs and there's 3 on the market.
>>728990718PoE2 is just at odds with itself. It is an arpg thay doesn't want to be an arpg, but rather a souls clone. So you get souls design decisions like multi-phase boss battles, dodge rolls, shitty movement, and annoying corridor map design, but then the end game wants you to go back to poe1 with speed killing mobs using 1 ability or else you'll have a bad time.
>>728990835I mean, yeah? The endgame in D4 is pretty much just doing Helltides over and over, if you want me to get similarly over simplistic about it. And, honestly, I feel like GGG hasn't been nerfing things ENOUGH in this EA period. Energy Shield needs to get its tree modifiers cut in half and bosses basically everywhere need AT LEAST 2x the HP, if not more.
>>728990951Can't you just do rifts or whatever? I really hated helltides.
>>728984091Short answer: poe2 is cheaper, bigger, better and have much more potential. Worst that can happen is it turning to poe1 in terms of gameplay
>>728990934I think part of the problem is that they just kinda tossed together an endgame and trying to keep two games maintained has proven too fucking hard for them for the course to be easily corrected. Doesn't help that a lot of people don't seem to WANT the desired original slow methodical style of ARPG the devs wanted to make and would cry at every preview video for being too slow. Thus PoE2 is constantly stuck with not enough dev time and a constant push and pull between their wishes and the "community's" wishes. They should've just kept cooking in secret for another year, desu.
>>728990979I was being overly simplistic, there's technically a couple different things you can do at D4 endgame, but in general just doing Helltides is the easy braindead way to get progress. You can't get ALL the progress via Helltides but it gets you like 90% of the way there and requires roughly 2 braincells.
>want to replay play poe2>90% of the skills are useless shiti am sick and tired of tempest flurry
>>728990184>you can just head over to the general to see why everyone hates it.>unironically shilling the generalThat place is unironically one of the worst generals in /vg/. nobody even talks about the game and it's just retards pissy about PoE1 not getting updates anymore.
>>728991035I think they simply shouldn't listen to what their "community" wants at all. If you have a vision then just stick to it. If the game flops you can just make a PoE3 instead of this abomination that constantly pisses people off.
>>728991258I'm playing Sorc this league and I really appreciate that a bunch of druid skills synergize well with her. Disciple of Varashta is also really fun.
D4 is pretty hardcore. Wish there was nudity though
>>728991258It's better at it than PoE1, at least. But it also depends on your classification of "useless", if you think anything below the top 1% of damage dealing is useless then yeah, but a lot of skills are at the "it's okay" range of utility.Now, SUPPORT GEMS on the other hand, that I fully agree with. Goddamn there are so many utterly garbage support gems it's insane. Do I take the straightforward 15% more damage gem, or the one that gives me 16% more damage on tuesdays while hopping on one foot while poisoned? Gee, I fucking wonder.
>>728991374The aesthetic and tone of D4 is actually really good. Not quite D2 level, but easily the next best thing.
>>728990524Shut up ggg dickrider, get tubbed
>>728991258druid is really good, seems like all the builds with it are at least viable right now I'm never touching Monk again after two seasons of that shit
>>728991469not being able to use more than one of the same support gem in your whole set up still gets under my skin.
So it's mandatory to play these games on hardcore right? Anything else feels like a slog and like there's no consequences for dying
My biggest problem with D4 was the extremely low difficulty in the campaign. Just started PoE2 and it seems much better and I am not in HC
>>728990346Act 3 is by far the worst Act. I love being a filthy casual and doing full map clears in Act 1 & 2 but I just rush for the exit in 3.Act 4 = Act 1 > Act 2 > Interludes > Act 3
>>728991586they removed that last season
>>728991586Well, good news for you, they changed that last league, it's now fully free. It's probably what has led to a lot of the support gems being useless, before the change you'd have to try and make some of those weird ass shitty options work simply due to having no other options, but now everything can just use the good gems instead.
>>728991258>want to replay poe2>gearing is just as bad as poe1 if not worse
>>728984091D4 is passable for a playthrough every few years. Not as fun as D3 though.PoE2 is complete dogshit. They could've just fixed the shit that made playing PoE a pain, instead they made it even more slow and boring than Grim Dawn.What happened to Last Epoch btw?
>>728991604POE2's HC is for streamers. Even during the campaign some of the bosses have real bullshit moves that will fuck you if you're out of position even if you know the strat
>>728991657>>728991662ggg doing something good for once? what'd they do to that one ascendancy for legionnaire?
>>728991516The forbidden city level is peak.>>728991616On one hand, coming from poe 2 it's a breath of fresh air. Sometimes you just want to cruise through something. But yeah it can be a bit TOO easy. You have to really try hard to actually die.
What's the fucking point
>>728991763LE is doing great but people are review bombing it over a "paid" expansion coming up for the PS5 release. I guess it'll be paid in the future because they announced it'll be free for existing owners
>>728991810You're supposed to combo three skills together while consuming charges to do the same damage that any lightning build can do
>>728984961People shat on D3 because they didn't like it at release coupled with the RMAH. It took them years to make the game enjoyable and by then most people didn't come back to check so they'll forever have a bad opinion of D3 which is fair. That's why first impressions are important and games shouldn't be rushed with the mindset "oh we'll fix it later".
>>728991848m8, they literally sold their game to a shit publisher and tons of stuff that was promised as never to be paid content is now paid content. The devs cashed in their bag and now the game is in the hands of who the fuck knows. Last Epoch is on a straight downward spiral
>>728991910Diablo III is a shittier game and let us not pretend otherwise. Those of you youngfags who started playing D3 when you were 5 years old and are now all nostalgic about it because it was your childhood have missed out on betterr music, more creativity, better atmosphere, and so on, in video games.Like Diablo II LoD original being all outdated and partially shitty in 2025 is still goated because of the music. Rogue Camp theme + Rain is goated.Atmosphere was just amazing, it was so fucking immersive. The design of the game itself is good.Diablo III might also be a high quality piece of software with very fluid movement resulting in pleasant gameplay, but it isn't very deep or creative. Plus it's too cartoonish for a Diablo game. And it is even futher removed from the initial idea of the genre. Genre transformed into bullshit. PoE and PoE II being pseudo intellectual bot farms aren't helping the genre either. baka.TL;DR: Diablo III is not that good as a video game, really. It has a lot of production quality to it, sure.
>>728984091What's a good difficulty to start at for D3/4?
>>728992118If you are just starting out just normal. D4 at hard dif feels way too hp spongey in the beginning. Later you can switch to hard once you get all your skills.
Everyone tries to pass of their opinions as facts when they discuss ARPGs but ultimately it really depends what you want. D3 and D4 were always just extremely shallow games in my eyes that are only fun for a weekend at season launch but I guess that's what some people want so it just depends. PoE if you really want to get invested into a game for the long run. D4 if you want something more casual. Grim Dawn or Last Epoch if you just want a one shot adventure and then put away for years until a new expansion comes out.
>>7289840910.9 PoE1 and maintenance state D3pre-1.0 PoE was methodical and slow and while progress came slowly and in chunks, it was very satisfyingthe later speedslop meta doesn't fit PoE's mechanics and inherently clunky natureD3 on the otherhand was originally crafted for speedslop. it's slop but it's fast and smooth ultraglide designer slop that's fun every once in a while>>728984176based
>>728991910I unironically liked the pacing of D3 at launch, I just hated the auction house. It took way more time and effort to get a character going at launch than after Reaper of Souls. My problem with D3 after Reaper of Souls was that it just became to shallow and streamlined of an experience to the point where it's only fun for a couple days and sometimes literally just a day at the new season.
>>728992083Pot calling the kettle black. I played each diablo (except the 4th since I don't trust blizzard anymore) at release and you talk about nostalgia while praising D2? The "endgame" was fucking pindle runs and baal runs over and over and over. D3 isn't great (and objectively no hack and slash is) but boy you nostalgia faggots are something else praising D2 to high heavens while not even realizing a good chunk of the playerbase was botting because of how inane the endloop was.
>>728984091I remember wanting to try PoE and a friend told me I needed to get a loot filter and buy storage space and it just seemed like a bunch of menu management so I didn’t bother.
>>728992365good decision; by the time the item filter came to exist the golden era of the game was already over
>>728992365You can play perfectly fine without either, but they are definitely nice QoL things to have. For a new player a loot filter is probably 10x more important than storage space, just so you don't get bombarded with loot where you constantly have to worry about if something is valuable/usable or not.
Project Diablo 2 is currently the best ARPG on the market. D2 with polished modern features and an actual fleshed out end game with seasonal content updates where thousands of players come back every few months. For reference, I have 8500 hours in PoE 1, 1000 hours in D3, got a hardcore character to level 100 in D4 at launch, was top 10 laddering for most of the first few days during Poe 2 early access launch.
>>728985163absolute fucking retarded, delusional boomer retard. diablo 1 and 2 are completely outdated today. it's like a guy saying he wants to play tf2 and your retarded ass telling him to go play TFC. you only play diablo 2 if you're a russian fag unable to move on from his first job (scamming in D2)
>>728992498PD2 would be perfect if it was on the D2R client. I hate Blizzard for not allowing proper modding and not supporting TCP/IP for that game.
>>728992546>you only play diablo 2 if you're a russian fag unable to move on from his first job (scamming in D2)u wot m8. I'm not the guy you are replying to, but Diablo 2: Resurrected is definitely worth trying out for someone who is completely new to the ARPG genre, and will give them an insight into what the ARPG genre is by showing the "grandfather" that popularized the genre.
>>728992456>>728992493It just seems to me there should be less loot then. The fun in an rpg is in decision making and shaping your play style. Not gear for the sake of gear.
>>728992546D2, especially remastered, is not outdated you fucking retard. A bunch of people I know have gotten into it for the first time over the last few years. You're fags that think everything that isn't completely fluidly streamlined for modern audiences is trash are the worst. You're so annoying. Lots of slightly old games have a lot of value to give new players if they're willing to put in the tiniest bit of effort.
>>728992318>Pot calling the kettle blackif you think so...>I played each diablo (except the 4th since I don't trust blizzard anymore) at releaseso did I. Exactly the same. I knew diablo IV was going to be a shittier and more retarded version of D3 when it was announced. So I too skipped it entirely.>release and you talk about nostalgia while praising D2?You misunderstood. I'm talking that nostalgia tends to improve whatever it is, even Diablo II, which is outdated with some stupid mechanics.And yet music and writing in D2 itself were objectively better than they are in D3. That is all I'm saying. Comparing just two games on their own merits.>The "endgame" was fucking pindle runs and baal runs over and over and over.Yes. And? I'm not talking about the "endgame" I'm talking about music, writing, atmosphere. Besides, it is not like D3 has a much better endgame.>you nostalgia faggots are something else praising D2 to high heavens while not even realizing just for music. and compared to D3 also for writing.>a good chunk of the playerbase was botting because of how inane the endloop was.it doesn't matter, you see. I'm not even talking about multiplayer. You know yourself that in Diablo (first one) multiplayer players have cheated too. D3 was also plagued by bots. Still is, the top of all of the leaderboards are botted. Simple mathemathics.TL;DR: Anyway, you misunderstood my post completely as endgame is not what makes or breaks a video game. I'd argue the chase of the late game is what ruins all of the video games in general, along with metas.
>>728992636yeah it is outdated. the cube system sucks ass. the item system sucks ass. the class system sucks ass. the trees suck ass. the combat sucks ass. the only thing it doesn't suck ass at is art design but nobody plays video games just to look at stuff.PoE is simply the better game. It iterated and improved every part of the genre, if you disagree you're simply a bitter dumb fuck stuck in your youth. and remastered is the exact same game you retard just with a higher resolution I don't know why you would even say "especially remastered"
>>728984176the worst diablo game ever, if you can even call it that
>>728992631the item filter came to be because of the game speeding up AND the sources of loot increasingit was perfectly possible to manually process all the loot earlier on in the game's life cycle as it used to be far more limited
How’s Warframe if that’s an alternative? Or borderlands 2? Willing to hear any other alternatives
>>728992845>the cube system sucks ass>the item system sucks assWhat the fuck are you talking about? The reason why D2 always gets praised is because of how good the itemization is and because of how nice stuff like runewords are(aside from Enigma being the BiS for almost everyone, of course).>the class system sucks assWhat does this even mean? Are you just coming up with retarded points for the sake of trying to come up with something to complain about?>the trees suck assYou're a moron for directly comparing a 2000 game to a 2013 game.
>>728992498Do you have to sing up to someone’s Patreon for this game?
>>728992546Diablo I gave birth to the genre itself.Diablo II has plenty of outdated systems in it, agreed. But, DII reforged has an entire row of abilities, instead of two, and it also has controller support. It's quite modern. Obnoxiously so, if you ask me, because of ugly characters.>>728992845these are your personal opinions, that hold no weight really. you're a cultist. besides>but nobody plays video games just to look at stuff.you outed yourself as clincally retarded imbecile, not even a pro gamer. I guess this is who modern PoE appeals to. shaking my head. The entire craze around video games has been around graphics since it's inception and it is stupid to prented otherwise, even if, like myself, you don't think that graphics are the most important part of a video game. Music in Diablo II alone is way better than all of the PoE atmosphere.TL;DR: Your shit is all retarded.
>>728992845nah PoE is overdwsigned soulless bloat
>>728992318>The "endgame" was fucking pindle runs and baal runs over and over and over.kek I remember one of my friends downloaded a bot that would just run pindle all day while we're in school and he'd come back home in the afternoon and check up on it. I'm glad Blizzard nerfed that shit in D2R.
>>728992954Before switching genres entirely, you can try out some of the more unknown ARPGs that are good like Chronicon, Hero Siege, Slormancer, Ghostlore.
>>728992845>erm it sucks because I'm a PoE fanboyKys
>>728993013>What the fuck are you talking about? The reason why D2 always gets praised is because of how good the itemization isit was good. in the year 2000. it sucks dick now. items in PoE, LE, even Grim Dawn are better now.>What does this even mean?can you make the necromancer class use a bow succesfully? no? then your class system sucks ass.>You're a moron for directly comparing a 2000 game to a 2013 game.hey you're the one who said D2 is the only arpg worth playing in 2025
>>728992954I've been enjoying Borderlands 4. It has a very refined loot farm system and the game feels good to play. But honestly if you aren't already a fan of the franchise I wouldn't bother.
>>728993016hey retard, a game being the first of its genre doesn't mean it's faultless and god's gift to man. it's allowed to be shit and outdated, and no it doesn't matter that your mommy bought it for you when you were 6 and you're nostalgic for it.if I appeared in front of you IRL right now and asked you to name one D2 music track outside the tristram theme or I shoot you in the face you would get shot in the face. get the fuck out of here with your "hurrr better le music"
>>728993105>it was good. in the year 2000. it sucks dick now. items in PoE, LE, even Grim Dawn are better now.Can you explain in-depth why you hold this belief?>hey you're the one who said D2 is the only arpg worth playing in 2025I literally said "I'm not the guy you are replying to" in my post.
>>728984176too right, all the classes were fun to play in their own way and the gameplay was simply smooth. I hate the input delay in games like grim dawn and poe.
>>728984091Diablo 3 gives you more dopamine than Diablo 4 and is more fun to playI'd unironically play it if the pc would have controller support because playing those game on a controller is much more enjoyable than kbm Since you already have D4 free, try it and if you like the gameplay loop you should hop on D3 which is better imoPoE is just autism shit where you need to look at a guide 24/7 to know what skills to get
>>728993015no, completely free, just need a copy of d2
>>728984091Real answer is wait for Nioh 3, that's what Diablo should been turned into long ago. Isometric clicker is an outdated approach and doesnt give you immersive gameplay nor atmosphere. t. D2 fiend in previous life
>>728993247Compared to D3 any deep game is like getting a PHD.
>>728993196allow me to show you this. As you can see, there is no "tristram theme" in D2. Rogue Camp is not Tristram. You'd know that, if you would ever play the game itself.I knew you were a clinical retard whose opinions are to be discarded when you talked about graphics. But you just had to go and double down on being an ignorant fucking retard.
>>728993419I kneel autistic oldfag.
I can’t think of an arpg with good music. It’s all just the same orchestral epic bland shit.>oh but in one of them there’s some nice guitar chordswow
>>728993402If you play arpgs and aren't turning off your brain you're playing them wrong kiddoThey're the ultimate genre to fully relax while not thinking about anything
>>728993419https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nl4KeCiEtQyou go back to tristram in D2 as soon as act 1, your soundtrack must be some russian bootleg which isnt surprising
>>728984091Never played an ARPG before but I've always been curious about them, was thinking of playing Diablo II to start off the genre.
Why are all "action" rpgs so shit? They all devolve to vampire survivor lite after the early game. Act 1 of PoE2 is the only bit of good content in the whole genre.
>>728993712this is the wilderness theme. not tristram. and a bit of a rogue theme. It is in fact in ACT I of Diablo I, but this isn't an exclusive "trirsram theme". There is not such thing, even though Tristram is a separate location you venture into through a portal.
I liked both, I played both for free and bought neither. I'll play POE2 more when its out of EA
>>728993494Diablo 3 and RoS has a few good tracks, but I think overall when people make music for ARPGs, they always have a mindset that it's just music that needs to be in the background, and it's not allowed to take the forefront because it could be "distracting", which is sad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhrKNPHGR8Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOkwJbBRGchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9lBJQ1HH5Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flYTyiimSIQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWnpJHkIupYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z24dnDkYbBUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0xaDZavpDwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24CO8iOqAcg
>>728994181That kind of reminds me of wow composers not making their raid music interesting because they know raiders will just play their own music over it anyway
>>728993495You can also go straight to Cookie Clicker
>>728994232Yeah, that's sad, especially because the Blizzard/WoW music team has always been capable of making some amazing stuff. It's the one thing that has remained consistently good since WoW's beginning.
>>728984091Neither, both are awful.
The only good thing about POE2 is the writing where every unga-bunga tribal faction are absolutely evil and hypocritical and you get to kill most of them, except that kill-stealing bitch Azala.
>>728993247 Absolutely based take. D3’s moment-to-moment gameplay just feels way snappier and more visceral than D4’s sluggish mess. Say what you will about the loot treadmill, but at least it wasn’t padded with endless cooldowns and MMO copypasta chores. D3 on controller is legit satisfying, way more tactile than kbm. It’s criminal how Blizzard still hasn’t patched in controller support on PC in 2025, like they don’t even want people to enjoy their own game.And yeah, PoE? It’s like trying to read a calculus textbook that updates weekly. Watching a YouTube build guide that’s already outdated before Act 3 is peak misery. I play ARPGs to turn off my brain and vaporize mobs, not reroll because GGG decided to rework fire damage interactions for the fifth time this year.
I personally don’t understand people who follow build guides, isn’t the whole fun understanding the systems and creating builds yourself?
>>728995403You don't need any of that shit for PoE2. PoE1? Yeah, kinda. You also probably need to do a little research for endgame, but for getting through the campaign and ~75% of the post-game content you can just about manage to work things out on your own just by having a basic understanding of what you want to do with your build and getting the passives that improve that thing. It will almost certainly not be the most optimal thing ever, but it'll be fine.
The right answer is: play risk of rain 2, search how to unlock the artifact that makes monsters drop itens instead of chests, there you go have fun
>>728984091Out of those two Diablo 4 curb stomps all over that chinkslop. Grim Dawn beats them both however.
>>728994252Less dopamine rush>>728995403D3 won't probably be patched for controller because the console version has different functionality like the roll, and I read years ago that the damage you do on console is halved compared to pc for some reason, that'd be too much work for Blizzard to do it now
Live service garbagevsLive service garbageDo white people genuinely go on the internet to ask people "should I get addicted to ketamine or gambling"?
>>728984281>are the servers on that still running?Season 37 just started recently i think. you'd need battle net account. Theyre free though but yeah you need one.
>>728985190>I have IRL friends on there and internet friends on my psnyou know you can use a fake name on your accounts right? like my battle net account isnt my first and last name and social security number.
>>728995528That approach is cool and all, but doing it in PoE you'll inevitably end up with a shit character unable to do endgame. Unless you're already an expert which you become by reading guides
pls stop laughing at us
>thread filled with d4 shills and babies filtered by poeevery fucking time lmao
>>728996682Even at the easiest difficulty? I never played poe
>>728997190no such thing
>>7289967650.4 crashed and burned. Flush that turd down and come back with something worth with 0.5. Fucking druid, who wanted that?
>>728997509>Fucking druid, who wanted that?meI wanted to play an angry forest man
I wish D4 seasons were more than helltides with a different colour. They add basically nothing.
>>728997509They say the reason why 0.4 is so meh is because it was scheduled to have the huge endgame overhaul, but then it was so big that they couldn't make it for 0.4.So I'm fucking praying that 0.5 is gonna be the savior of PoE2, because every time I get to endgame, my will to continue playing just ceases to exist more and more daily, until I end up quitting.
>>728992928>t. only played vanilla, before the Reaper of Souls expansion
>>728996765>filtered by poeA NEET buddy seriously tried PoE but he said it just wasn't fun, 'twas a literal slog.He's recently described PoE2 as "digital fentanyl" though and has been playing it a lot, so I'm looking forward to the full release.
>>728984091D4 is ass I did path of exiles but I doubt its as shit.
>>728984091project diablo 2 is the only right answer
>>728984091No Rest for the Wicked is the best one and it's on sale right now.
>>728991374>What zoomies think what hardcore is.D2 is leagues better than this. It's a shame what they did to the Diablo franchise overall.
>>729000713I really like the idea of the combat in that game for boss fights, but it does not seem appealing for just fighting normal mobs. It kinda removes the whole "blow the fuck out of tons of mobs and feel like a god" aspect that other games in the ARPG genre provide.
>>729000713Fuck you for making me excited. It’s that ugly, shit soulslop I pirated once and booted off my sdd same day. That shit has NOTHING in common with Diablo or any other mainstream arpg
>>729000863Oh so you want a mindless lawnmower game where you just mash buttons, then PoE2 and D4 is more for you.
>>729000937Look what thread you are in dipshit
Wait for the D4 skill tree rework.
>>729001000NRFTW is a loot game, it just happens to have fun combat as well.
>>729000937>Oh so you want a mindless lawnmower game where you just mash buttonsWhen fighting normal mobs, yeah. But for boss fights, I'd enjoy it more of the whole ARPG genre was more souls-like when it comes to bosses.
>>729001117>it just happens to have fun combatThat disqualifies it from the genre. Same goes for Nioh, Khazan and the like. If you aren't running around spamming one button to blow up screens, your game has failed to live up to D2
>>729001089How are they changing it?
>playing a fucking nu blizzard gamegrim
>>729001616They're making it an actual skill tree with meaningful options, instead of just unlocking skills and adding useless % modifiers.
>>729001613Why should the genre be hamstrung by an old dated game like D2? Why not make it better? Wicked introduces vertical level design full of secrets to uncover, more elaborate combat that takes some skill to master as well as stats, all the while having a familiar top-down perspective.The genre shouldn't be held back by retarded boomers that just want to mash one button and grind like some common mobile game.
>>728984091I'm gonna be honest, both games are in a pretty decent state right now and are very different games that cater to different tastes. If you want to do things in a group and get the semi-MMO experience, D4 is good. If you're looking for a more traditional ARPG experience without faggots on the screen 24/7, go with PoE 2.
>>728992546Tf2 is also old and outdated, imagine telling someone to play that instead of Overwatch 2 or Marvel Rivals..Its the same thing except for a game you personally play.
>>728985881>literal clownsuitLol
>>729001910I wonder if nu bliz is up for the task
>>728984091d4 is a glorified cookie clicker, just like d3. it's fun, but only for a few dayspoe2 just isn't that fun and has no endgame, but will probably change in 1-2 yearsneither, really
>>729002298They did skill variations just fine in D3.Every single new action RPG these days has skills variations, they should be able to copy themselves or others.
>wanted diablo 4 with dlc to go on sale>yup nothingfuck, i want a bundle im not paying for just the base game
>>729001910Are they going to do it like D3 where every skill is going to have multiple variants?
>>728984091if you want a real ARPG, play POE2, if you want some casual dogshit play D4 simple as that
>>729002026>If you want to do things in a group and get the semi-MMO experience, D4 is good.They only tried to do group content once and dropped it because no one wants to group in an ARPG.
>>729002970Yes
>>729003094Pretty much every endgame activity in D4 is better to do in a group. It's easy to carry a group of retards for anything outside of Uber bosses.
>>729002970I'm still mad about people bitching about Diablo III's skill system. To me, it was awesome. Very straight forward, you could very easily figure out a build just by reading what the skill did, there wasn't a bunch of +stat bloat... etc.
>d4 and path to nowhere 2 fans fighting to see who has the shittier always online garbage
>Diablo IV dying>Add the fucking HOLY WARRIOR to fight DEMONS like everyone asked for since day-one>Game's popularity sky rockets
>>729003205The issue is that it replaced having a skill tree altogether. I agree the system was cool as fuck and the best feature of D3. Combining that with an actual skill tree would be ludokino but I also have my doubts that modern Blizzard can pull it off.
>>728984091If you want a fast game, play PoE, if you want a slower game, play PoE2, if you don't want to play PoE, play torchlight 2 or last epochDiablo3/4 are not worth playing
>>729003390I don't know how they were retarded enough to launch the "kill demons from hell" game without the dedicated DEUS VULT class twice in a row
>>729003828Why include it in the base game when you can sell it separately for $40?
>>729003948Because it results in the game floundering for two years. Most people didn't even bother buying the first expansion.
PoE2's problem is you don't actually get to build anything for 50 hours, you're just slogging through slowly with nothing that synergizes until you're done or almost done with the campaign.
>>729003828The worst part is not including it in the very first expansion.It's crazy they even survived that.
>>729003828Funny how there are so many atheists while pretty much everyone loves playing as not-Christian-crusader male turning devil spawn into red mist. It just feels right
>>728991810avoiding death + use with Ice spike or thunder slam to explode it because for some reason it does (or did they nerf it) insane dmg even vs bosses
>>729004469I have to think that a lot of people got shitcanned over the first expansion's gigaflop.>Instead of giving people the class that they want, let's have some kind of weird Navajo Skinwalker (without the cool aesthetics) and dress them up in Aztec shitAlso the whole story of the expansion is:>All of those decisions that your character made, which you had no agency in, during the base game? They were all wrong, and you are retarded.
>>729003828They had to get their "actually church just as bad as demons" narrative out there, surely the playerbase would agree with them!
>>728997190This is the skill tree for Path of Exile. It can be extremely overwhelming for a new player. Making a good build is difficult unless you really know the mechanics and how to optimize.
>>729005485Literally everyone just follows builds
>>729005646this is technically true but facetiousfact of the matter is, doing well in PoE requires one thing>min maxingwhich means regularly respeccing based on items available to you + gamesense/knowledgethis cant be replicated by builds, which is why on PoE ninja every end game build has a different treeyou NEED to respec regularly if you want to get into the actual end game of PoE (t16+)
>>728985301Truth Nuclear Bomb
>>729005485This is just a passive tree, there's even a search feature for it.Shit is pretty easy to navigate and find what you need.
>>728992954This game is surprisingly an actually pretty good looter shooter. I think a lot of people just didn't like it because it didn't play like a traditional Contra game.You might try The Division 1 or 2 games too, they have pretty good loot systems
>>728984176Yep. That comes from someone who played billion of hours in D2 back when it was released. D3 is very far from perfect, and the artstyle could've been so much better, but it's still one of the least worst games in this stupid genre that has very little good games.
>>729005485>This is the skill tree for Path of Exileits not. it used to be around 10 years ago. now its much more dense
>>729004167ummm the campaign is the game, chud
>>728985881Yep, that's why I will never ever buy D4. Or 5 or 6 or whichever. >throw few decent sets in game>lock the rest behind the goy storeSee ya in 10 years when D4 pservers are available.
>>728984091both are rollslop
poe2 is bad
>>729005485To me that kind of shit is pure cancer.
PoE 2 is bad
>>728984176Unironically fpbp. Still has the best feeling combat in any arpg
>>728984091Just finished both of these games’ campaigns today. About 35 hours each. Honestly, they’re both solid. Poe2 has spectacular boss fights, funny dialogue, a sparse story and testers back and forth with gameplay issues before act 4 makes things neater. Some of the art design is outstanding. Diablo 4 has an actual story with very solid voice acting, sharper and more streamlined combat and builds/trees, addictive open world detours and phenomenal OST. They’re both IGN 8.9/10 games. I didn’t hit their end games but whatever. I recommend them both. I actually think they’re so good that I’d be surprised if you’d even need another ARPG while playing these two.
>>728984091PoE 2D4 Is just zoom zoom spam
>>729005393Don't forget>FILLER STORY FOR EXPANSION PATCHMay as well be fucking Shenmue 3.
>>729006148They should put the fun parts there, then
>>729006526>>I actually think they’re so good that I’d be surprised if you’d even need another ARPG while playing these two.Try Project Diablo 2
>>728984890>melee combat is better because my PoE2 build was shit and made of glassStopped reading there. You can face tank arbiter of ash if you aren't a retard.
Diablo 4's massive focus on seasonal content makes me really sad because back in the D3 days, you could still see specific builds that worked, but in D4 the core gameplay is built around seasonal content. They stopped making guides for regular builds. It's all>LATEST SEASONAL BUILD THAT WORKS FOR 8 WEEKS AND NEVER AGAINI never cared about ladders or seasons or whatever else they call them so it's a huge bummer for me. Not that I want people to play the basic server with me, I like playing solo, but there's no theorycrafting around the base game anymore, just whatever FOMO +1000000000% damage mechanic is active.
Both games are part of the “Big /v/ 5”. >FFXIV>Diablo IV>Wuthering Waves>Path of Exile 2>WarframeIf you post here, you gotta pick one as your main online game.
>>729007279wuwa is a single player game
>>729007279This is the gayest thing I've ever seen posted here
>>729006757medianxl always was the better mod. but anyways i'd rather just play poe2. or if i'm feeling really bored diablo 4.
>>728984091I found D4 to be too woke to be enjoyable.
>>729006821It's not really like that this season. I don't know about previous seasons. There's really nothing in this season that you could make a build around, specifically. My current build is based around a unique weapon.
>>729007279those are some small ass games in the modern gaming landscape. where is fortnite, valorant, league of legends, minecraft, roblox... you know the games people actually play?
Not a big fan of poe2, sell me on D4
>>729007279I play 3/5, is it over for me?
>>729007674if you found poe2 too difficult or complicated, d4 is the game for you.
>>729006564PoE2 turns into zoomzoom spam too, it isn't as bad as D4 but it's still bad.
>>729007501Woke? But what's woke about saying:>Catholic church bad>Mormons had it right all along>Aslan (the Jesus lion from Narnia) came to lead the people of the Americas to the true word of GodWhen do I get my magic underwear? Will that be a new mechanic in the next expansion?
>>728984176D3 is getting memed in the same way FF8 was. Ppeople trying to trick you into playing a genuinely shitty game by pure sophistry. I plsayed D3 on release and coudn't stomach more than 5 hours, meanwhile I've got more than 100 in D4. The presentation in D4 alone makes the experience better.
>>729008071D3 wasn't playable until RoS
>>729007884Oh no. I don't care about all that. I just don't like niggers and women.
>>729008135D3 isn't playable since ROS.
Tencent shill thread
>>729008071>coudn't stomach more than 5 hours, meanwhile I've got more than 100 in D4Sorry for your shit taste in games
>>729008234This
>>729007551Nice, I should check it out. Last season had some ludicrous 1000% modifier.
I will say that the game and DLC cost waaaaay too much. This is the archetype game for people with more time than money. Wasn't the first DLC, the one with the jungle character, like $90 or some retarded amount?>>729008219Don't care, I have other games to play
>>729008976No it was $40 same as this one and you get the first expansion for free with the new preorder if you don't already have it
>>729001914It is what it is, I don't make the rules
>>729009110>you get the first expansion for free with the new preorder if you don't already have itthat's been their MO since wotlk. sell the last expansion and give everything else for free. i'm surprised they haven't made diablo 4 free to play yet, probably waiting for poe2 to do it first.
>>729000285Because it is, but to some people that is "Anti ARPG". In D4>You can pick almost any skill and make it work with 95% of the content>You steamroll 95% of the game>You are showered with constant loot, power upgrades, etc to keep the dopamine going>Gearing is kinda trivial
>>729009110>$40 for the base expansion>$60 for the expansion+season pass+a handful of cosmetics>$90 deluxe edition for expansion+season pass+$30 worth of premium goycoins+a bunch of cosmeticsTypical Blizzard kikery
>>729009332I don't mind the paid expansion but I think it's dumb for them to lock so much stuff behind it. People would still pay for the new campaign stuff and a new class, they didn't have to lock players out of the new region, new dungeons, runes, mercs etc. It just ends up dividing the playerbase and causing technical hassles. I bet they would make more money and get more returning players if they had a massive expansion happening every 18 months or so that even people who didn't buy it would see a bunch of new systems
>>729000937>Anon discovers that in this genre you do actually go around destroying waves of enemies like its nothing>And that PoE2 larping as a soulslike might be a bad idea
>>729005485>Think this is cool conceptually>Find out if you dont follow a build then you're going to be doing like 10% of the damage of someone who is
>>729009546it's blizzard we're talking about, they've made the research and they have psychologists on retainer for their mtx department.if they think they could make more money by giving the expansion for free, they would do just that.
>>728984091If you have 50 hours to spend on a league/season, play D4. If you have 500 hours to spend on a league/season, play PoE 2.
>>728984176This. D4 is just shittier D3.
>>729009639one of the most important rules about poe is to stop comparing yourself to othersthere's always gonna be a build that goes 10% faster, that can clear shit more easily... you can finish the game perfectly fine with anything. now if you want to shit like ubers you will need to metagame.
>>729009712That's bullshit. There's so much incompetence on display. How could I think that it doesn't also extend to the retards that are advising them on marketing strategy?
>>728985812A single player game is always an inferior experience to a game i can enjoy with friends.
>>728991469You have never played PoE 1 if you think gems in PoE1 are worthless.Even skills that are only getting 2% playtime are fully playable. No they won't be able to beat uber bosses without 500 divines.But if you want to play a build in PoE2 you need 250+ divines for a very limited amount of skills that will be able to even progress through the campaign. There are skills in PoE2 that can't even work outside of act 1. That is a complete failing of PoE 2's skill system.I can go start a fresh character in PoE1 with every single character's starting skill and finish the campaign in under 10 hours. Most skills you get in act 1 can finish the campaign (barring movement skills). It gets much tougher once you get to mapping.
>>729010360>250 divines for the campaignfound the RMT'er.
>>729010360>250 divs for the campaign
>>729010459No I meant 250 divines to do UBER bosses with poor skill gems in PoE 2.You can do all campaign content with most if not all act 1 skill gems barring movement skills and with only the gear you find or maybe a couple of alch for uniques that drop but you dont find yourself.Also don't double up your post to signal my post.
>>729010853>doing uber bosses in poe2pretty sure we all stop after the campaign.but yeah poe2 is very streamlined, you need to play the combos as laid out by ggg or you will hit a brick wall. i don't think the game has flat out bad skills though, at least not for the campaign.
>>729011038I've done up to T15 maps but never tried the bosses, I have no clue how to even do them to be honest
>>728993297Isn’t that a souls like though?
>>72900963975% of power in PoE 2 comes from gear
>>728984091D4 = BADPOO2 = BADD3 = GOODPOE1 = GREATHope that clears things up
>>728984091I think they're both shit.I played PoE2 for a bit during the first season then they fucked the builds and ttk and the loot was already dogshit so increasing the depth of the shit you had to wade through by ten metres to get it was just too much for me.
>>728984091D4 MOGGS
PoE is unc slop, d4 is king kino
>>729011038I did them all on release when dying instabricked the fights, only Xesht was enjoyable >King in the Mists: bugged out mid phase transition and I had to run around him for 40 minutes till he decided to fight >Trialmaster: nothingburger but crazy annoying to get to>Expedition guy: same as trialmaster>Sanctum boss: one gimmick, just a movespeed check>Delirium: just a brutal stat check >Arbiter: complete bullshit, almost impossible if you didn't instakill him (and each attempt took a fuckton of mapping)then I made a blink temporalis autobomber, crashed instances for 2 days and never logged in since
>>729012227shut the fuck up broccoli head
>>728984890>play the hyperoverpowered class meant to sell the expansion>man I'm really strong!
>>728984091PoE 2 got it's shit together with 0.3, D4 just became enjoyable with this most recent season's changes which is funny since it's been out for much longer
>>729011167yes but it also has Diablo loot and can play considerably faster than the average Souls-like
D4 bad
>>729012336those are not uber bosses, those are the regular endgame bosses. endgame bosses are doable on most builds even if you suck at the game.in poe2 you get the uber boss by increasing the difficulty to +4 in the atlas. they go faster, hit harder, and have a lot more health.
feeling a bit insecure? lol
>>729013395actually they changed the mechanic to get ubers in 0.3. you need to find fragments on the bosses themselves that let you access the uber variant.
I've tried to get into arpgs but I feel like I'm trying to find depth where there is none. People are using le autism all the time while talking about this genre but it's literal slop where you throw a dice and check if you got gear with the stats you want.Your goal is to create the strongest build possible aka use as little buttons as possible to clear mobs and kill bosses as fast as possible. In reality this makes it so the gameplay loop is spamming the same button combination to kill hordes of shitty mobs ad infinitum. I've played poe2 mostly and not for long because it's clearly not for me. I love strategy games but arpg games aren't strategy, they are gambling + grinding games. And I love grinding but god it's just so boring where the gameplay is spamming the same couple of buttons to kill mobs running at you. And even then, if you want to gamble there are games that are SO much better at it
>>729013395+4 are(were?) the same bosses with higher statsnot that it mattered with actual infinite damage
>>729013780>higher statsthat's really downplaying the difficulty increase, speed is very relevant when the bosses throw one shots at you for example. pretty sure there's also uber exclusive skills too. anyways yes, it's an arpg, with enough gear you can trivialize everything, although ubers will still give you a run for your money.
>>729013780kek
had a friend who liked poe over d4 but he played poe so shitty he could only do t16 and the story versions of the endgame bossesp2e are just shitters
>>729014349sorry shartroon but the data LITERALLY shows PoE2babs die less than PoEboomers
New POE2 player that doesn't really understand the stash tab thing aside from some posts. What is generally considered a must have? I've not even beat the campaign yet or anything but heard trading was made easier.
>>729013780ow my eyes
>heh atleast im not a blizzpaypig
How’s last epoch?
>>729014815imagine every qol reddit ever asked for was put into poe
D4's UI is so bad and ugly at a base level that I'll never play it just from looking at it.
>>729015000So much better than the games discussed here? Does it have seasons?I’m also seeing Minecraft dungeons, which I have on psn plus for free as well, and the fate games as options, any of the games discussed have procedurally generated dungeons?
>>729015261procedurally generated dungeons are a staple of the genre, all these games have themLast Epoch has seasons but once they add something to the game they don't remove it
>>729015261uhm. last epoch is probably the worst arpg that gets talked about. it's also currently getting skewered because they want back on their decision to not add paid dlc. poe2 < d4 < poe1 < grim yawn < d3 < d2r. still haven't tried no rest for the wicked though.
>>729014478I'd say currency and merchant are the main ones, then maybe map or gem depending on what takes up the most space in your stash. Also they all go on sale regularly so wait for that.
>>728984176Truth nuke
>>729015428I see, I just really wanted to try one out but I can’t decide which oneThere’s also Diablo immortal on iOS…
>>729015770Here https://strawpoll.com/1Mnwk34Nxn7I just really wanted to know what these loot games are like personally
>>729015541NRFTW is a Nioh-like that's worse than Nioh
>>729005837You need guides not because nodes are super complicated or something but because the entire passive tree is basically one noob trap minefield. Endgame builds are all math and mechanic abuse. You can make a well balanced logical build only to be immediately oneshot in your first white map. Poe is just a dogshit game for third worlders and autists
>>728984091Take virtual ambien(Grim Dawn)As slow and sleepy as it is, it's better than both PoE2 and D4
>>729016007>As slow and sleepy as it isstrong selling point there anon, i can't wait to try out this slow and sleepy game.
>>729016142I'm saying that to demonstrate a point. As bad as Grim Dawn is, it's STILL better than both.
>>729016223doesnt have gamepad support, so automatically garbage
>>729015831Forgot to add the first descendant and destiny 2 or that new destiny mobile game, how are those?
>>729016437You're getting weird, Im starting to think you're some kind if paid marketer.
Are there one button or nobutton builds currently in poe2?Something with freeze shatter maybe?I like how the game feels but I don't like how they are forcing combos and rolls. I just want brainless fun.
Why arpg monkeys hate gameplay so much? I'm literally seeing 'you have to pay attention to the game' as a con for why It's bad????????????
>>729015770diablo immortal is ironically more fun than D4 until you get to the endgame, where paypigging is king. Once you get to max level in Diablo Immortal, uninstall or level another character, there is no need to spend any money until endgame either, which is one small point in that games favour.
>>728993495thank fucking GOD someone gets this
>>729017365>diablo immortal is ironically more fun than D4 until you get to the endgamebe very careful when engaging with addictive mobile games. what you're talking about is exactly the hook, get you engaged, then get you to pay to stay engaged.
poe makes the bad thoughts gopoe2 is rollsloppa and i want to kill myself by the end of act 1
>>729009815Except comparisons do matter when you literally cant clear content with most skills in the game. And despite the game being PvE, the market is essentially PvP and you'll basically never see all the cool high end drops and your character's potential without minmaxing.
>>728985881And thats why D4 will never be good.
>>728984091>slopvs>unfinishedIt should be obvious.
>>728985052So the D4 shills ARE shitskins, makes sense.
>>728984091Last Epoch
>>729009813which is just a shittier D2 which is a better D1
>>729017710i paypigged in Nikke, with some regrets, but not all. I f2p Nikke now, and i can easily quit an unfun or p2w game like DI without spending anything.They got $8 out of me from a booster pack, i played for like 100 hours before i quit, when there wasn't anything really fun to do at endgame, and pvp was already a mess even 1 week into launch.
>>729015831>>729016521>https://strawpoll.com/1Mnwk34Nxn7you screwed up the poll option where you specify your own choice too, you can't write anything in that slot.I also just started Castle Crashers, something different, but pretty fun and you get to be creative.
>>729016947>I just brainlessWe know PoE1fag, we know.
>>729017334pressing 1 button endlessly spamming 1 skill is not fun, its fucking stupid. Lost Arks combat set a benchmark for arpg isometric combat that nobody else even TRIES to reach, its pathetic.Shame that LA sucked in every other facet of the game, i'd have persevered with it despite that, if they had actually released fucking OCE servers, but no, they put US West in commiefornia, in a connective city, so the ping was ridiculously bad for anyone playing in indonesia, singapore, malaysia, australia/new zealand etc.
>>728984091Usually when i buy games even if they end up being just fine they still provide enough gametime for me to not feel like it was not worthy of money.Path of Exile 2 is the only exception.I played it since release for 2 months, had like 200 hours, and still ended up feeling like it was not worthy of 30$.It IS addictive by design, YES.But is it satisfying, fun? Fucking NO.Game feels like it actively hates player.
>>729018597Lost Ark is cooldown slop. TRVE arppg combat is mashing one button
>>729018597Lost Ark pretty much perfected what poe2 is trying to do gameplay wise and has been completely memoryholed
>>729018759A few LA classes have one button spamming chaos dungeon builds .Speaking of, chaos dungeons were really bad arpg content. LA only got raids right.
>>728984890Doesnt D4 also cost like 100 bucks to get all the content?
I'm actually quite surprised and amazed that any PoEjeets could complete the new captcha. Bravo, guys.
>>729020726more because you can only play paladin by preordering the 2026 expansion
>>72902072640$ for the base game and 30$ for the second xpac. it's a moving target. the base game was initially 70$. then the base game included the first expansion... i'd be surprised if the game didn't eventually go f2p.
D4 genuinely would have made a lot more money if it had been f2p
>>729020926>>729021157Yeah I'd try the game if it was reasonably priced but im not giving jewzzard that much money.
>>729021217d4 is just not particularly addictive and they sunk a lot on marketing. i don't think the game is performing well in general, it might straight up get canned in a couple of years like its predecessor.
>>728984091Idk about Diablo 4 but PoE2 is a complete mess of ideas. The latter isn't even a loot game, you're supposed to trade to get items
>>728985307D4 is weird because it doesn't shy away from gore, torture, and the bleakness of living through hell on earth but god forbid a sole female nipple appear anywhere in game. Andariel is covered up and every corpse mountain has a thoughtful scrap of fabric over the dismembered bodies
>>729021504It lost 99% of its playerbase and nobody plays it. Ignore the fact that instances are packed and there's no shortage of people to play with at all hours. It's dead.
>>729013702For me, I find build craft and growing powerful fun.Of course, it’s not fun when you’re following the build of someone else.
>>729020805kek>>729018865correct, i was surprised at how poorly the devs understood the critics of poe1. the game feels like a remastered version of poe1, not an actual sequel. It has almost all the same problems as poe1, it hasn't solved anything.
>>728984091POE2 on PS5 is shit, there's a lot of tweaking you have to do in the menus the make the gameplay controls feel as responsive as D4.If you have a PS5 Pro you do get a myriad of graphics, FSR and performance options but once the action picks up the game becomes a blurry mess with the FSR/PSSR trying to keep up.Also you'll need access to a computer to set up look filters or you'll be buried in look not suitable for your class/level, with enough stats any job can use any thing.Finally both games are built around their cash shops but POE2 locks everything behind look boxes, even if you are lucky expect to pay $100 for a full outfit, in Diablo 4 outfits are also overpriced but only $30 in comparison.
