The AI kvetching has finally gone too far
>>728987018Actually, Expedition 33 having a publisher fund the game disqualifies it from being an indie game at all and thus from any indie game awards. AI has nothing to do with it, since it's already not an indie game.
>>728987018I've been saying this since it came out. The whole game is AI slop, top to bottom. That's why the plot makes no sense and the characters look like generic moeblobs.
>indiecorpo niggers are so desperate to make any game 'indie' now
>>728987018Me and my discord sisters are now boycotting this game for destroying the environment and literally aiding the rise of fascism.
>>728987018Did they not hire enough “consultants” and now they’re taking media flak or something??
>>728987018so how many more industry plant threads do you reckon there will be?
>>728987018Banning ai from indie games actually seems incredibly stupid. Seems like a barrier of entry. Using tools to streamline the process enables more applicants. Yeah 97% of it will be shit, especially with people figuring it out still. But I see in the nearish future some autist solo dev could make a competitive double a game that isnt stardew/rpg maker slop
>>728987134I would have agreed with them if they said they're disqualifying E33 for that reason, not the retard meltdown reasoning they gave about AI
>>728987139The game has a plot that is more coherent than any Japanese game
>>728987018Why is it only just now and not the first time people discovered it had AI textures? That was like back when it was released.It's like people were willing to let it slide back then but not now? Why?
>>728987298>nowWayforward have been abusing the indie label from probably almost 15 years now
>>728987836Probably has a lot to do with all the hardware price issues that popped up recently
>>728987836Because that was at the peak of the astroturf, when saying anything bad about the game would get you slammed and if you had any potential avenue for negative feedback (dislikes or a public comment section) you were definitely going to get it. Now after the Game Awards where a decent amount of people expressed their annoyance with the game due to some thinking it has too much undeserved praise it is OK for larger entities to shit on the game as well.
>>728987134The SJW faggots literally don't care about that. They decided virtue signal about AI bullshitAlso a bunch of indie games have publishers you stupid faggot
>>728987836>It's like people were willing to let it slide back then but not now? Why?People got anally annihilated by TGA and have to cope somehow
>>728987134Many if not most indie games have publishers. Balatro had a publisher and it was made by a single dude. Indie has to do with oversight and funding. I'm fine with E33 being considered a AA game rather than an indie game, but the complaints about AI usage are utterly exaggeratory and the constant overreacting about it is really just encouraging people to reflexively condone further AI expansion.
>>728987018It's not an indie game
>>728987836>Why is it only just now and not the first time people discovered it had AI textures?Until recently the devs were saying that they didn't use AI and people gave them the benefit of the doubt.
>>728987139But enough about Death Stranding
>>728987904>>728988181>>728989348I wonder if the journalists are just stupid and only realized after the E33 TGA sweep, that they gave generative AI in games a horse armor -moment.
>>728987767>seems like a barrier to entryHey dumbass, that's LITERALLY what human achievement awards exist for.
>>728989496Exactly. Here's a more fitting award for this dogshit game.
>>728987804If you ignore act 3, that is.
>>728987139the plot is literally perfectly coherent start to finish and is explained to the player verbatim.
The game being made with Unreal Engine 5 is worse than them using gen AI
It's been 10 fucking days and half the board is still crying about the game awards results despite the holiday season, the steam sale, the EGS free games.I'm tired of you brown and yellow fuckers who play nothing but gacha games and make shitty threads on /v/ while your game plays itself on auto.
>>728987139What didn't you understand about the plot. I haven't played it for 4 months, but from what I remember - Verso dies IRL due to a fireHis mum freaks out and creates a painted world with Verso in it from his soul or something and all his creations. She slowly loses her mind, inception styleRenoir enters the painting, as the weird faceless guy to try and end the madness. His wife sends Renoir painted version to stop all the expeditions from ending her "perfect world". The player begins the game with none of this knowledge - but it's explained in a lot of detail throughout and in big lore dumps. Following killing the paintress you then proceed to end game where you can choose to stay in the painting/maintain it, or fulfill Renoirs wishes and destroy it, restoring the family IRL but without Verso.
>>728992835>and then she woke upgood plot. AI could never.
>>728994537That's not the plot though.
>>728987804it's just shitty family drama mixed with lmao depression, it's one of the most dogshit suffering porn stories I've ever seen in a video game.
>>728994468Verso is the faceless boy ghost.Painted Verso is just a fake the mom made up as a replacement except he's constantly depressed and suicidal because that's how she remembers him
>>728994726Yeah, I was talking about the other faceless guy that hangs out in the camp. That's the real Renoir, disguising himself so his wife doesn't know.
>>728994125Yes>>728994445And the other half is defending this mediocre game like their entire life depended on it.
>>728987018"indie game awards" is the equivalent of a troon discord. Stop being manipulated by official sounding words
>>728994848Yes, but I'm talking about the faceless little boy NPC you find hanging around the map. He's the last fragments of Verso's soul. The Verso you play as is just a painting like the rest of Lumiere.
>>728987018>disqualified not because it's not a fucking indie, it's a 30 million dollar production>disqualified because of AII hate AI, but this reasoning is hilarious
>>728987018Up to 60% of the art in E33 is allegedly AI generated. The developers could have just disclosed this fact, but they thought it would be better to just lie straight into our faces. lol
>>728987767This is the same argument as the retarded>regular artists have been gatekeeping art from people who aren't skillful enough, now with AI anyone can be an artist, hooray for equality!fuck off nigger
>>728994948fpbpE33 is not an indie game though.
>>728995108I hope for your sake you are only pretending to be retarded.
>>728987018Not my hecking multimillion dollar indie game! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>728987018Thou Shalt Not Make a Machine in the Likeness of a Human Mind.
>>728995158I hope for the world's sake that your AI girlfriend convinces you to kill yourself.
>>728987134FPBP like usual. the disparity between E33 and every other nominee is insane and it clearly had a much higher budget
>>728994948>a troon discordI think it actually is.Search:>Indie Game Awards>Sponsored by Six One Indie Publishing>An OpenCritic publication>OpenCritic is literally a discord community of aggregate game reviews>it's mission is to "help consumers make informed decisions when considering to preorder, buy, or play a game">picrel is the editor in chief
>>728994948I agree with you in spirit but the indie games crowd is an older phenomena. It's goony bearded millennial losers that spent their college years being snarky on Something Awful. Some of these guys became troon uncs but most just kept being histrionic manchildren huffing their own fats. Look at the guy doing the official announcement:https://bsky.app/profile/indiegameawards.gg/post/3magufzccy22i
>>728995108Geez this make me feel old>regular artists have been gatekeeping art from people who aren't skillful enough, now with Photoshop anyone can be an artist>regular artists have been gatekeeping art from people who aren't skillful enough, now with Digital art anyone can be an artistAnd things eventually just moved on like it was nothing.
>>728987767>Yeah 97% of it will be shit97% of indie shit is ALREADY shit because any random shovelware gets a pass and people have no standards. Fuck off. Indie shitters must be whipped and kept to some level of expectations.
>>728994948>virtue signaling against aiof course its troons.
>>728995718What I always like to say to these kinds of people is >okay then, grab a tablet and a pen and show me how anyone can be an artist with photoshopThis doesn't really work for AI shit because the barrier is incomparably lower, all you do is just say "hurr durr computor draw me pretty thing"
>>728987018E33 ate so much it's barfing prizes.
>>728995068Prove it?
>>728987134Doesn't Hollowknight have Fangamer as a publisher too?
>>728996254I mean you still need the capacity to imagine and then describe something using words that the program can understand. There's a fair amount of people who can't even do that. I'm not saying AI art is difficult or something, it's just not a completely barrier-less entry.
>>728994125Based and correct. The only thing I dislike about the game is it's dogshit fuzzy UE5 graphics.RE Engine and Red are AIDS too
>>728987139>The whole game is AI slop, top to bottom.Sandfall used AI for pre-production placeholder textures. All of which were replaced during the production process.Save for one that accidentally made it passed QA and that had to be fixed post-release via a patch.
>>728996763There are 3 doors, /v/.Door #1: Humanity never technologically advances to the point where we have simulation tech. We will never be able to simulate conscious beings on a computer.Door #2: Humanity technologically advances to the point where we have simulation tech, and we will be able to simulate conscious beings on a computer. But we decide to never ever use this technology; we legislate, obfuscate and deny anyone the ability to use this technology, and it is never used.Door #3: Humanity technologically advances to the point where we have simulation tech, and we will be able to simulate conscious beings on a computer. And we use it.Now tell me which door you think we will open. If you think it's door #2, I must ask you, when have we as a species ever invented a technology but then refused to use it? And if you choose door #3, you are admitting the possibility that right now, we are in a simulation.
>>728989247An indie game is a self published game. If you have a publisher you're not indie, literally by definition, you fucking cretin.
>>728987480The IGA are notorious lefties and they have an axe to grind with AI because it affects 'artistic integrity' (read: takes away jobs and opportunties from lefty 'artists' and 'writers' to push agenda).Them allowing E33 to be nominated and even have them win the award initially, when E33 clearly announced in public interview back in June/July that that used generative AI during pre-production as placeholders, is a clear cut case of entrapment and wilful intent to turn them into a target and send a message.Sandfall should sue them for intentional reputation damage.And since they're EU-based, they'd probably win too.
>>728997419Then Blue Prince should be disqualified from receiving IGA's hand-me-down goty award.Its developer is Dogubomb, but it is published by Raw Fury.
>>728987134Agreed. Donkey kong bananza deserved the indie goty award.
>>728996989>ask chatgpt to generate you a prompt for an image generating AI
>>728989413It's not indie then. Lets use words where we don't need an arbitrary checklist to say yes or no on it;s inclusion. Are you independent or did you sign up with a publisher for this game y/n. Otherwise how many employees is indie? how much budget is indie? how many loans and whom it is owed to is indie?
>>728996989stupid fuck
>>728995718except you still have to learn how to draw using either of those technologies/programs. AI just spews out garbage to replace the shitty stock image market. It's a tool for retards who'd never be capable of making actual art even if they tried.
>>728998110Aw, still can't visualize things in your brain? Keep trying. Maybe one day you'll see something.
>>728998416Yeah I don't think the types of imbeciles who use genAI are the side with the cube-rotators, friend
>>728998220>thinks digital artists hand draw everythingLayer opacity exists because 90% of everything in Photoshop or Illustrator are taken from/traced directly off of existing images. AI just speeds up the process.>you gotta draw the lines yourself or it DOESN'T COUNT!They had viewing devices in the 14th century to aid with life drawing. They even used rulers for straight lines and compasses for curves. All those precious paintings in the Louvre (when art was based) were done by filthy cheaters! Gasp!
>>728998470I assume your gens are immaculate representations of your cube-rotating hyper intelligence translated to a visual medium. I mean if retards can use it, surely someone with your immeasurable brain power must really do something fantastic with it. Give us a taste, although our pleb minds may not be able to handle it.
>>728998779>every artist is a hack because i can't drawall i see in your posts is seething from a brainlet whose only way to ever """""create""""" anything in his entire life is AI
>>728997395>when have we as a species ever invented a technology but then refused to use it?Nuclear weapons?
>>728987018>caved to the anti-AI mobanother victory by the woke twitter crowd who doesn't buy games
Concept artists photobash and paint over other images and shit off google, use asset packs, shit from sketchfab and premade shit in their work all the time, it's literally industry standard practice. Same with texture artists matte painters. I know people even photobash using other artist's work as a base, it's not talked about but as long as nobody can tell and you change it enough, it's treated as fine. And they really expect people not to use any AI shit in the long run? Image searching for what you need so you can paint over it so nobody can tell is somehow nobler? That's just not a realistic expectation. Hitting the big "finished artwork please" button is not going to cut it if you actually have a vision and something specific in mind, and most AI stuff has a tacky look to it and even more just looks bad, but they're dreaming if they think everything that goes into game production, even "art" games and auteur type shit is no place for pragmatism. Not everything little thing with an artists heart and soul and skill and talent and 700 hours and best intentions turns out soulful or even works in context and not everything crapped out in 25 minutes with some old shit you had lying around turns out bad.
>we make our art creating progress a little bit easier with various tools, so might as well offload the whole thing to a machinei fucking hate you niggers who always immediately go to the extremes
Weebs big mad.
>>728997395>And if you choose door #3, you are admitting the possibility that right now, we are in a simulation.this simulation is fuckin slop
>>728994874>And the other half is defending this mediocre game like their entire life depended on it.They might very well be the same people who make the theads and try to play both sides to keep the ragebait going.
I don't understand anyone who thinks that they can shove AI back into the bottle. It's getting better by the year. The industey may be in a hype bubble, who knows, but even a crash isn't going to revert us back to 2015. The art/video games shit is the least interesting implication from AI's rise, too, so better to get over ourselves now and start worrying about how you'll be able to trust any image in 20 years.
>>729002473i just think that all the trillions of dollars being poured into AI shit better pay off, because if it doesn't, we are in for the biggest economical crisis we've seen so farand it's not that i want the corpos to make bank on AI, it's just that with how the current system is rigged, if they DON'T make bank, the prices of everything are going to skyrocket and regular people won't be able to afford absolutely anything
You are not really independent if you log into the hivemind to help you out are you.
>>728987018Right now, shitting on E33 gets you more attention than praising it.
>>729002613If it crashes, it crashes. The economy would suck for a while, maybe even decades, but the tech would still be there. Sam Altman getting lynched by hungry peasants wouldn't have much effect in the grand scheme of things.
>>728997436Why would Sandfall sue them? Their debut game has been near universally hailed as a masterpiece, they have a GOTY award under their belt and their game sold extremely well. They already won, and a couple of hack artists seething from jealousy won’t change that.
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>>729002473It’s a cope. The bulk of anti-AI sentiment comes from mediocre Twitter and DeviantArt artists who are seething that they need to improve to actually compete with AI, since AI is at a point where it can do generic slop art much better than them. The pros are fine with AI and use it as another tool in their toolbox rather than seeing it as a threat.I think the greatest irony of all though, is that a lot of anti-AI people tend to be progressives and they were originally all for automation when it was blue collar workers on the line. Now they’re unironically calling robots “clankers”, without realising the fact that they’re technically being racist.
>>728987018wtf I love AI, Peter Thiel and asmonroach now!
>>728987134This. People completely forgot what indie originally stood for. It's not a style, it used to mean that a game was self published. Starbound, Cave Story, Minecraft, Terraria, Super Meat Boy, FEZ, Binding of Isaac, 2hu THOSE are real indies. Anything with a publisher should not be allowed to qualify.
>>728998879I have never used ai in my life
>>728998779You're literally just digging yourself deeper into the retard pit with every post.
>The year is 2064>They just made no prompt prompting that just reads your brain and gives you what you want>Luddite manual prompters seething that it can never capture the essence of something written
>>728999254anon...
>>728987018Wait until someone tells them all randomisation is fundamentally generative AI.
>>728987139SPBP
>>729003538This unironically except the Peter Thiel and asmonroach thing. I dont know who they are but I love ai
>>729004971Yass I love soulless bland slop!
>>728987018It’s funny that the Indie Awards proceeded to give the award to Blue Prince slop, which also used a bit of gen AI like E33. Once again Silksong is robbed of its rightful award
>>729005021DudeDudeDo me this one thing and watch this. Im sure there are other videos that could be more compelling but this is human creativity with the use of ai as a brush. It helps tell the story but its the humans imagination. Np ai could do it on its own because it doesn't desire like we do and thats exactly why there's nothing to fear. Especially with the "loss of human soul" THIS IS SOULhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu37ZePEEmoThe dudes whole channel is gold top
>>729005247You have never created anything in your entire existence, and never will. Least of all children. That's why you cling to generative slop because you think it gives you power.
>>728987134/Thread
>>729005863Im not clinging to it foolIts creative freedom for the thinker. Its the era of THE IDEA GUY!
>>728987134FPBPPBP
>>728987018>kvetchingI thought you indians loved the jews.
>>728987018Even this is astroturfing because it is not an indie game by any use of the word. The development team is not small, it is not independent, it is not inexperienced, it is (was) not poor. It has a publisher with millions of dollars investment from one of the biggest game publishers in China.Even for example Terminator 2D is not an indie game for the same reasons. Bitmap Bureau was previously an indie development, but their publisher Reef Entertainment gave them a big investment for the game and they increased their team size and resources. What he said >>728987134
>>728987779>retard meltdown reasoningFucking imbecile.How is breaking established rules 'retard meltdown reasoning' in any way?If you want to complain, complain about them not doing their job properly first time around and missing the AI slop so they had to rescind the award later.
>>728987779>Games developed using generative AI are strictly ineligible for nomination.This is right there, a part of their nomination rules you fucking retard.https://www.indiegameawards.gg/faq
>>729009314>should I check our nominations to make sure they're compliant with our own restrictions?>no, that's the developer's job! I just work here
>>728987018i dont get the retards ITT defending ai, how can anyone defend this shit? are the shitty ai sora cat videos worth it?
>>728989247E33 cultists are SJWs anon
>>728987139/thread
>>729009314It's IGAs themselves that haven't done their reseach - or are deliberately stiring up shit for coverage now. Everybody knew about the usage of the AI in E33 for half a year. Everybody, aside from the IGA jury apparently.
>>728997090>spoileryou're retarded huh, my condolences
>>728995215Never associate the writing of Frank Herbert with faggots like the nigger feet kissing popes again.
>>729010897right...
>>728987904>hardware companies go full greed pig, slows production and rises the price>retards instantly blame it on the current whipping boy AI, and not the greedy as fuck companies
>>728987139>the characters look like generic moeblobs.I dont think you know the meaning of that word
>>728997419Final Fantasy is now an indie game
>>729005863 You're coping so hard it's leaving a vapor trail, lmao. Did you even watch the video? It's not Generative Slop™ like those "AI boyfriend hugs you in Minecraft" cringe fests. It's a tool, like a camera or a paintbrush. When a human with an actual vision uses it, you get art with weight, with soul. But sure, keep seething and punching the air about "idea guys" while people pass you by doing more with less.
